They took all the killteams off the site and I need like 7 more killteam boxes for my agents army so I’m worried they are going to raise all the prices
Wrong. The cards are included in the Hivestorm box set. Unless you're referring to the individual unit boxes which they were never included in the 2nd edition KT boxes either.
Anyone remember Dire Avengers? Box of 10 for $45. A few months later... A box of 5 for $45. I bet theyre going to sell Killteam at $80 for ten but the 40k version will be $60 for half the box.
I swear they do that to influence what's bought. For instance GW doesn't seem to like Eldar so they make the price high so less people buy them. Now it doesn't make sense but does anything GW make sense ?
my brother. i went out and learned an entire other hobby and purchased an entire set of equipment that basically cost me just 2 small boxes of dudes. wake up and vote with your wallet, people. let's push GW into modernity.
@@gtmq8166 "i went out and learned an entire other hobby and purchased an entire set of equipment". Do you not see the problem? We all don't have the time to learn another hobby when just painting the miniatures takes so fucking long and having to deal with even more equipment. Also, what good 3d printer and filament costs only 100 bucks?
@@shadowyuik8527 Nowadays it doesn't take much to learn and you WILL SAVE MONEY. Added bonus if you are an EoB member as you get terrain files and stuff.
@@shadowyuik8527 It's still super cost effective to pay someone to print things for you, and only a bit slower. Ya'll aren't priming and painting the day you get a sprue tho.
@@christopherszynkowski2524 Grey Knights are classified as part of Grey Knights and Sisters are classified as part of Sisters, in lore Scions arn't even apart of the Astra Militarum, they are part of the Administratum
@nc-ue6uo fair, but in terms of publication of rules they have been bundled with AM for awhile now. Sisters and Grey knights historically have always been Inquisition extensions. The closest we have with Scions is the Inquisitorial stormtroopers, which aren't really a thing anymore.
@nc-ue6uo Yes but that's not how they do armies anymore. The role of those units is supplanted by henchmen squads and arbites. They had to include Sisters, Deathwatch and Grey knights because otherwise there wouldn't be enough to do a full army. The Tempestus Scions are part of the Astra Militarum in the same way Commissars are.
Whilst splitting a box isn't a bad idea - it isn't really viable. Who has the rulebook? Who has the terrain? Who has the tokens and other game aids? The box can't be split fairly unless you resort to scanning the rulebook etc
They kinda split it this way vespids, aquilons, terrains, essentials + equipments, then corebook + tokens. Somehow they manage to find a person for each of those things lul Its kinda worth it tho somehow managed to spend less than 50 usd for aquilons
I only used 3 kg of pla petg has better qualities for me as I don’t really like the lines , can put petg in a vapour bath of acetone to make it smooth to get a nicer finish, I use my fdm for things that don’t need to be ascetically pleasing and my resin printer for miniatures, I have printed miniatures on fdm printer with pla and they come up pretty good but nothing like resin, I use water washable resin to help keep fumes down as I have asthma and emphysema even the resin can get to my chest let alone the isopropyl alcohol
At least with Warhammer, your minis are typically worth something when you're done with them. I'm currently painting 30 year old Dwarfs and if I didn't want them anymore, I could find them a nice home quick for a stack of cash. Printing might be cheaper in materials (only if you print literally thousands of dollars of stuff), but I just want to tell the folks that GW minis do hold their value; even upon being "squatted" whereas 3d prints are so numerous and competing that every one is essentially valueless unless you take commissions for people. Basically, if I'm tired of my Tyrranids, there is a demand and going rate and lots of people trying to buy them, so even though they were a few hundred to buy, I'll probably be able to get a few hundred out of them; at least a portion of it. Something to consider; sort of like a Toyota Corolla and Ford Focus situation. Ones a lot cheaper, but is worth nothing when you are done using it, whereas one is a lot pricier, but a lot of people like it so you can get 6 - 7K for it when it's time to trade it in compared to the $500 for the ford with the same years and miles.
GW prices have gone from super expensive to rip off... It is insane to pay that much for pieces of grey plastic. I like their products but I will vote with my wallet... P.S. BTW the KT cards are not even included in those KT unit boxes!
Yeah, growing up in the 90s I'm used to an Action Figure being $5 and a figurine should be $0.25 in a vending machine. 10 scouts at $80 is $8 per model. That's outrageous. I can buy lunch for $8.
GW is shooting themselves in the foot when you can print great quality models for under a 10th of the GW price. After forking 200 euros for the leviathan box-set in summer of 2023 I subsequently invested in 3D printring. Haven't bought a GW model since. 🤷♂
I was considering buying the Lizardmen Spearhead box. I like the Lizardmen, might be a good way to get into Spearhead. 145 bucks for FOURTEEN MODELS?! I can buy an army of Lizardfolk proxies for way less. I got 34 Lizardmen from One Page Rules for 99 bucks. And the only thing I missed out on was the Oldblood on Carnosaur. But I could have easily spent another 36 and gotten him too. 135 bucks and I could have gotten an Oldblood on Carnosaur, 3 kroxigor, 10 Saurus Warriors and 20 skinks. Or I could drop 262, to get the same army from ScamsWorkshop. Unless GW does some serious turn around on prices, pretty much the only thing that I'll even consider buying from them is paint. And even then, maybe. I still won't touch their spray primer. Sorry, not gonna drop 33 bucks on a can of gold primer.
Considering these models are injection molded plastic and cost about $5, any price is expensive. And I mean $5 for a box of Leviathan size. Platic costs NOTHING. The main costs are mould making, those easily cost six figure amounts.
@@desertmammoth3159 I have no real idea. Back when they were making metal miniatures (yes, I am that old) it was months to years, but the longer a mould was used the more flash would accrue. Plastic is less hot and thus will be nicer to the metal, so, several years? I'd have to google that, so I leave that task to you :).
@@desertmammoth3159 Depends on the mould itself. If it is made of steel and is engineered correctly, it can do 400k-500k cycles. It could be around 150k-250k cycles on aluminium mould.
“It’s the same space marine scouts that every space marine player needs” You sir have answered why they are $80. I got my one box last Christmas and I have no intention of getting others
As someone in the midst of building a traitor guard army having the blooded squads cost an extra £9 a pop sucks, will be same situation with beastmen when the fellgor kill team comes back out I imagine. My wallet cries...
Hear me out, Battletech's 2 player starter box for the Alpha Strike game mode is $80. Comes with all the mechs you need, pre assembled. Cardboard terrain, rules, a little lore novel, plenty of goodies. $230 for a ton of plastic crack, someone at GW has lost their damn mind.
GW charges what they do because people continue to pay for it. If they lost business, their prices would drop. Also, Battletech is a far superior game. Why? A space marine is as likely to hit a gnat at max range as a tank at point blank. BT actually accounts for movement, range, intervening terrain, etc. That's a far better system, if a bit dated and clunky. Just adds far more strategy.
@@DaileyASMR Classic is slow. Alpha strike is faster paced and I find it faster than warhammer at times. A big battle in classic can take hours if not days though
@@bryanmcguire3747 I really love everything about Battletech except for the rules. The rules are painfully slow and cumbersome, and not very balanced. Alpha strike is better but they kept a lot of slow legacy stuff like rolling 2d6 and then most of the rules are optional but really change the balance. So I love the universe, but the rules really is keeping everyone in my playgroup from picking it up. I'm looking for alternatives like Steel Rift instead.
I've always loved Jay's sunny optimism... but this is absurd. The appeal of Kill Team is partially that its a more affordable way to get into the world of 40K.
Yes. I like the lore. I want to get into KT with a friend but we don't own anything. I thought KT was a good option for us that we don't have the time nor the money to invest in regular 40k but it seems it is expensive anyways
Line must go up! I didn't get into Kill Team at current prices... now I absolutely won't at the new ones... Hello, Corvus Belli, I'd like to get some Infinity!
Apart from che fact that the cards are sold separately, the worst is the Genestealer box: they stripped out the big piece from the original team and if you want it you have to buy it separately.
8:22 I did buy this box and split it with someone but i feel called out here. Before getting the new Killteam box i bought corsair voidscarred to be my next project.
Splitting the box would be easier if there was a bit of doubling up of items. Like with the Conquest 2 player starters, they properly anticipate the split and provide 2 sets of rulebooks, quick start guide, measuring tools, maps. So you can split it and both players get an army and what they need to play. Do another Conquest video please.
I'm excited for the new release. Interested in the Scions. But I can't be the only one that gets a new soft cover rule book and doesn't immediately go down to their FedEx or UPS and have them spiral bind it. I wish I could have them increase the sides of the margin so I can add notes
I have some Phobos models that I will proxy as scouts, I’ll paint them in a camouflage pattern to extra distinguish them. Screw $80 or put $15 aside each paycheck and get from FLGS or online merchant and get at a slight discount. I think people that have 3d printers are the lucky ones.
Damn, you just put things in perspective saying "You know whats also 80$? Space Marine 2." I was still deciding on buying it or waiting, guess ill buy SM2 instead of a box of Yaegirs, will not pay 1 dollar per point for them (CAD)
@@noonia i mean, if ebay and other resellers are anything to go by, SCALPERS clear their warehouses. And then sit there for 5 years trying to sell an indomitus box for double the price.
There's a reason why people don't like scions - it's exactly as you described it - they "look baroque" and they were never that. I think ti's popular consensus that the molefaced 'inquistorial stormtroopers' and the kasrkin were the iconic stormtroopers look. And the Elysians were the dream drop trooper look.
I wonder if manufacturing capacity and shelf space play a part. If you make KT and 40K branded Scouts that is twice the work. Also, some players will cheap out and get the 40K Scouts for KT. By having just KT Scouts GW supplies a product at lowest cost for maximum profit.
So Killteam is now on the same tier as the 40K game, due to the popularity. So it now gets 40K pricing. It's no longer a gateway game to the 40K universe, it's a standalone product attacting and retaining consumers on its own merits, without necessarily pulling them into 40K.
Exactly this. GW found that the so-called "introductory" game was very popular in its own right and decided to aggressively monetize that popularity. They then jack up the price for the individual teams beyond all reason to make the big box look like a "deal."
Yeah some of these prices are atrocious... especially the fact that they're charging that much for year 1 teams that will get the legacy treatment after this year
The word storm troopers probably got dropped for its historical connotation. Which ironically is also why so many sci fi writers chose the word, it inherently carried with it connotations of facism and evil empires. You see the storm troopers come out and immediately know these are the bad guys
As someone watching this a year later and just starting. Get the rules before the models. Bought a basic squad and immediately realized the won't explain all the options and what they mean. Like what's the difference between a dominion vs a battle sister squad and how do I know if I've built it correctly for that squad and not made an illegal set
Totally agree with loving the Scions. Was disappointed to see people were so down on the jump pack versions. I think they’re awesome. Maybe I can pick up some extra cheap second hand copies when people part out their boxes.
GW knows most of the KT sales are for the main 40k game outside of a few. I think the prices for things like scouts and mandrakes who are normally 5 model units makes sense to have at $80. You usually need more than one unit for an army, so why not sell it in doubles for a discount. For 40k players these are just discount boxes for multiple units, saving money. I imgaine this wont be the last time they do practice and hopefully they release some stuff i actually want for my armies
I like the smaller force formats GW is rolling out. I have Skaventide waiting for me at home, and I'm looking forward to assembling the Spearhead units. I have the Kreig and Ork kill team starter set, but haven't built them. Wonder if GW will redo 40k's Combat Patrol based on feadback on how well Spearhead is being received. Wonder about Warcry, these days...
I agree, im also quite disappointed that you cant have Inquisitorial Scions (inquisitorial stormtroopers) in Agents of the Imperium. -sure you can do it way around, but its not the same.
Scouts: I'd eBay or pirate 2nd ed sergeants (bare head, sword and bolt pistol, smaller than primaris), or simply print scouts. There are only a trillion stls out there, after all.
I never buy direct nowadays EXACTLY for your reasons. Now they're coming out the prices are very screwed up although there is a standard price. But the Scouts are hiked still 😮😢
I quite like killteam because you could usually buy one box maybe 2 (such as deamons) and play a decent game but nearly £50 and for US even worse i cant really justify it for only 10 models, unless a team is absolute to die for ill pass them all now
GW prices went from 'expensive, but I like the models' to 'I like the models, but I'm not crazy'... Night Lords box price is 187pln in my local friendly game store, with a huge discount, while few years ago 175pln was the asking GW price for some of the most expensive 10 unit boxes! With same discount it would be around 130pln! You can't tell me it's not outregous to increase price by nearly 44% over around 5 years :| Time to invest in a 3d printer...
I went to a new local game store, and thought "Holy crap, they're charging over MSRP for GW kits...they're hosed.". But then I realized I had just missed the last 2-3 price hikes (I don't buy GW stuff generally).
I recently learned that youre apparently a Minnesotan, and now i really wanna get a game in with you lol. Yeah, as soneone who just started and Imperial Fleet force thats heavy on Navy Breachers and Arbites, the new pricong has me terrified. Also the 4 year shelf life thing. When they drop out of Kill Team and are no longer for sale, will they get repackaged for Agents or just go legends and invalidate my new army
Maybe with whatever rules they're going to go with in the new edition. Those armies with the price increase are going to do better in the addition so they're trying to raise the prices now
Right now, the only way I'll actually get into the tabletop game is if GW releases rules for a terminator kill team. I'll buy the Saturn Heavy Squad from Tortuga Bay, paint them as Salamanders, and take them to my local game store where they don't care if my minis are official.
What do I think of GW pricing? I think my $200 m5s that has required no tinkering and runs perfect prints directly out of the box will make me more models than I will ever be able to paint in my lifetime😂
$80 for the scout kill team made me so mad. I had an order in at my Local Store, and had to cancel it because they moved it to the new price. I just ended up getting the scouts on Amazon for $55. I felt like it forced me not to buy at my local store because of GW price change. If it when to $70. Sure I don’t think I would have been upset. The $15 jump for nothing, when all rules are supposed to be digital? This feels wrong
$230 IS A LOT OF MONEY JAY, even if splitting, and who gets what? ❤ your optimism is impressive, but your positivity is too near to shilling for GW!! 😂
Bro he was collecting armies in high school you can tell he’s got the wealthy background to back it up lmao no way me or anyone I know could afford that even now let alone as a kid lol I love him but he’s GW target Audience - cash whales 😅
Just a correction not all men go to scions they are men and women. And not all women who are orphans go to the sisters. Orphans of imperial commanders and soldiers are often sent to the schola progenia from there they are divided based on skills and needs some have there minds altered to be used for political reasons (outgunned is a perfect example of that). Commissars and other political positions are filled with people who graduate from these schools. The general programming given to the children depends on the sectors needs as they are kinda loose with general education until the child is assigned to a particular specialization. Depending of the order sisters get people from many walks of life and are sent to a completely different school to be indoctrinated and trained to join (notable example is that some orders take esher gangers to there orders.) Most organizations within the imperium are made of both men and women there are very few exceptions.
So kill team was how I got my friend to play. He has legionaries and hearthkyn but I used compedium tyranids almost exclusivly until just a few months ago I finished my Hunter clade adeptus mechanics. I also had a box of custodes i used once. See the issue? None of my teams are in the game anymore. (EDIT: I do see that hunter clade will be getting free rules now. Stil though I played nids mainly lol) I do have just loose space marines I could probably use for angels of death but i didnt see myself playing them anytime soon in kill team. Now its the only option ill have if I want to continue into this new editon until/unless they atart doing bespoke teams😮
Making Scouts $80 is absolutely insane considering they are both a Kill Team and a 40k unit. Thankfully I got my Scouts back around when they came out but I feel bad for whoever doesn't have them in their army yet and will have to pay that insane price
i know little to nothing about killteam, but I imagine their pricing should be based on whether or not you can use the models in 40k. For example, the vespid are not really in 40k, therefore they should be cheaper, this would sort of explain the scouts dilemma, but idfk
I bought the current (soon to be old) Kill Team Scouts for my 40k army for 15% off from a store in my city once I found out this garbage was happening, they quickly sold out a day later. Won't be buying Scouts ever again now I have 10 of them. Paid 68 CAD for them. The new box will allegedly be 80-90 CAD for cardboard tokens added. Absolutely ret*****
"They wanna see what happens..." 3D printing gets more popular. That's what happens. By the way have you heard of a game called Stargrave? For a box of Stargrave you can get several kill teams.
i can't and dont want to pay so much for single tyranid minis and now this lmao. gonna print like a mf when i have my shed to put the fume machine inside
80 dollar squads of introductory kill team units and 60 dollar rule books are stupid expensive. They talk about good value for money in the hobby space, Mandrakes or scouts at 80 dollars, you will never get 80 dollars worth of value out of those figures.
I just cannot be asked to pay that much for a game. Most games I play with friends are upwards of 50 dollars and they’re ready out of the box. With the Killteam boxes, you’re not getting everything you need, you have to put it all together, etc. It’s why I’ll just continue to play it online and or with the one team I have physically.
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Who's going to break it to Jay that the cards are separate and cost $33
They took all the killteams off the site and I need like 7 more killteam boxes for my agents army so I’m worried they are going to raise all the prices
I think on the community page it mentions the cards are included
Wrong. The cards are included in the Hivestorm box set. Unless you're referring to the individual unit boxes which they were never included in the 2nd edition KT boxes either.
On the plus side, they have said the team rules will be free online. HOPEFULLY they remain free and not just free for some time
@@MaxAethon the question is do they include a marker so you can make all the changes on the cards throughout the next 2.75 years of changes?
Jay, "These kits should all be the same price!"
GW, "We hear you, we'll charge $80 for all Kill Team Squads."
Anyone remember Dire Avengers? Box of 10 for $45. A few months later... A box of 5 for $45.
I bet theyre going to sell Killteam at $80 for ten but the 40k version will be $60 for half the box.
I'll never forget the Dire Avenger price jump 😢
I remember 20 guardsman box droping to 10 models for hire price.
Striking scorpions started at 80. WTF gw what is the deal with the prices
im done with this shit man
I swear they do that to influence what's bought. For instance GW doesn't seem to like Eldar so they make the price high so less people buy them. Now it doesn't make sense but does anything GW make sense ?
GW prices have become so obscene that now it's essentially, "Oooo a new team? I wonder if STLs are available yet.
Those I saw sucked, but there are some Mantomorphs on MMF that look neat.
my brother. i went out and learned an entire other hobby and purchased an entire set of equipment that basically cost me just 2 small boxes of dudes. wake up and vote with your wallet, people. let's push GW into modernity.
@@gtmq8166 "i went out and learned an entire other hobby and purchased an entire set of equipment".
Do you not see the problem? We all don't have the time to learn another hobby when just painting the miniatures takes so fucking long and having to deal with even more equipment. Also, what good 3d printer and filament costs only 100 bucks?
@@shadowyuik8527 Nowadays it doesn't take much to learn and you WILL SAVE MONEY.
Added bonus if you are an EoB member as you get terrain files and stuff.
@@shadowyuik8527 It's still super cost effective to pay someone to print things for you, and only a bit slower. Ya'll aren't priming and painting the day you get a sprue tho.
$80 is about 2x as expensive as a Kill Team kit should be. $60-65 is the upper limit for them in my eyes.
Yep, when you can get a Necromunda box of 10 models still around $42-44...
While 3D printing is totally not threatening their business, choices like this start the domino effect.
3D printing isn’t effecting them.
YES? HOW DID THE AGENTS CODEX LEAVE OUT SCIONS/STORMTROOPERS? HOW!?
I think because they are classified as part of Astra Militarum
@@christopherszynkowski2524 Grey Knights are classified as part of Grey Knights and Sisters are classified as part of Sisters, in lore Scions arn't even apart of the Astra Militarum, they are part of the Administratum
@nc-ue6uo fair, but in terms of publication of rules they have been bundled with AM for awhile now.
Sisters and Grey knights historically have always been Inquisition extensions.
The closest we have with Scions is the Inquisitorial stormtroopers, which aren't really a thing anymore.
@@christopherszynkowski2524 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers ARE Scions though, so historically Scions have been apart of Inquisition
@nc-ue6uo Yes but that's not how they do armies anymore. The role of those units is supplanted by henchmen squads and arbites. They had to include Sisters, Deathwatch and Grey knights because otherwise there wouldn't be enough to do a full army.
The Tempestus Scions are part of the Astra Militarum in the same way Commissars are.
Whilst splitting a box isn't a bad idea - it isn't really viable. Who has the rulebook? Who has the terrain? Who has the tokens and other game aids? The box can't be split fairly unless you resort to scanning the rulebook etc
Rules are free. The real problem is who gets stuck with the rules and tokens.
They kinda split it this way vespids, aquilons, terrains, essentials + equipments, then corebook + tokens.
Somehow they manage to find a person for each of those things lul
Its kinda worth it tho somehow managed to spend less than 50 usd for aquilons
It's viable if you plan on primarily playing with the person you're splitting the box with, otherwise you're correct.
Just share??😂
@@henrywilson1578 so you and your buddy who shared the box both need the rulebook on the same day at 2 different places...how would that work?
For the new price of sm scouts i can buy 2 bottles of resin and print 100s
And it's 2-3 spools of PLA 😮
I only used 3 kg of pla petg has better qualities for me as I don’t really like the lines , can put petg in a vapour bath of acetone to make it smooth to get a nicer finish, I use my fdm for things that don’t need to be ascetically pleasing and my resin printer for miniatures, I have printed miniatures on fdm printer with pla and they come up pretty good but nothing like resin, I use water washable resin to help keep fumes down as I have asthma and emphysema even the resin can get to my chest let alone the isopropyl alcohol
a friend printed my some space marines and a greater Demon. Let me tell you: I am questioning all my purchases of the last months...
@@aroncheek5092their are recipes for a mixture for smooths out the lines on prints for people that don’t have some kind of vapor chamber.
At least with Warhammer, your minis are typically worth something when you're done with them. I'm currently painting 30 year old Dwarfs and if I didn't want them anymore, I could find them a nice home quick for a stack of cash. Printing might be cheaper in materials (only if you print literally thousands of dollars of stuff), but I just want to tell the folks that GW minis do hold their value; even upon being "squatted" whereas 3d prints are so numerous and competing that every one is essentially valueless unless you take commissions for people. Basically, if I'm tired of my Tyrranids, there is a demand and going rate and lots of people trying to buy them, so even though they were a few hundred to buy, I'll probably be able to get a few hundred out of them; at least a portion of it.
Something to consider; sort of like a Toyota Corolla and Ford Focus situation. Ones a lot cheaper, but is worth nothing when you are done using it, whereas one is a lot pricier, but a lot of people like it so you can get 6 - 7K for it when it's time to trade it in compared to the $500 for the ford with the same years and miles.
GW prices have gone from super expensive to rip off...
It is insane to pay that much for pieces of grey plastic. I like their products but I will vote with my wallet...
P.S. BTW the KT cards are not even included in those KT unit boxes!
Yeah, growing up in the 90s I'm used to an Action Figure being $5 and a figurine should be $0.25 in a vending machine.
10 scouts at $80 is $8 per model. That's outrageous. I can buy lunch for $8.
GW is shooting themselves in the foot when you can print great quality models for under a 10th of the GW price.
After forking 200 euros for the leviathan box-set in summer of 2023 I subsequently invested in 3D printring.
Haven't bought a GW model since. 🤷♂
@@kenupton4084Lol this is kinda how I justified breaking off my Warhammer addiction. One box of infantry is food for a week at this point.
This is not even a matter of voting, honestly. I just can't justify the expense anymore, simple as that
I was considering buying the Lizardmen Spearhead box. I like the Lizardmen, might be a good way to get into Spearhead. 145 bucks for FOURTEEN MODELS?! I can buy an army of Lizardfolk proxies for way less. I got 34 Lizardmen from One Page Rules for 99 bucks. And the only thing I missed out on was the Oldblood on Carnosaur. But I could have easily spent another 36 and gotten him too. 135 bucks and I could have gotten an Oldblood on Carnosaur, 3 kroxigor, 10 Saurus Warriors and 20 skinks. Or I could drop 262, to get the same army from ScamsWorkshop.
Unless GW does some serious turn around on prices, pretty much the only thing that I'll even consider buying from them is paint. And even then, maybe. I still won't touch their spray primer. Sorry, not gonna drop 33 bucks on a can of gold primer.
Stuff sold separately is overpriced on purpose. GW want you to buy the big box and make you think you save a lot of money this way.
Considering these models are injection molded plastic and cost about $5, any price is expensive. And I mean $5 for a box of Leviathan size. Platic costs NOTHING. The main costs are mould making, those easily cost six figure amounts.
@@carstenschops7797 How long do the moulds last? Honest question.
@@desertmammoth3159 I have no real idea. Back when they were making metal miniatures (yes, I am that old) it was months to years, but the longer a mould was used the more flash would accrue. Plastic is less hot and thus will be nicer to the metal, so, several years? I'd have to google that, so I leave that task to you :).
@@desertmammoth3159 Depends on the mould itself. If it is made of steel and is engineered correctly, it can do 400k-500k cycles. It could be around 150k-250k cycles on aluminium mould.
“It’s the same space marine scouts that every space marine player needs”
You sir have answered why they are $80. I got my one box last Christmas and I have no intention of getting others
There's a historical guy that uses stormtroopers to...
As someone in the midst of building a traitor guard army having the blooded squads cost an extra £9 a pop sucks, will be same situation with beastmen when the fellgor kill team comes back out I imagine.
My wallet cries...
Hear me out, Battletech's 2 player starter box for the Alpha Strike game mode is $80. Comes with all the mechs you need, pre assembled. Cardboard terrain, rules, a little lore novel, plenty of goodies. $230 for a ton of plastic crack, someone at GW has lost their damn mind.
GW charges what they do because people continue to pay for it. If they lost business, their prices would drop. Also, Battletech is a far superior game. Why? A space marine is as likely to hit a gnat at max range as a tank at point blank. BT actually accounts for movement, range, intervening terrain, etc. That's a far better system, if a bit dated and clunky. Just adds far more strategy.
Battletech is the worst table top game. It's so slow and boring
@@DaileyASMR Classic is slow. Alpha strike is faster paced and I find it faster than warhammer at times. A big battle in classic can take hours if not days though
@@DaileyASMR That is a subjective opinion tho. And it doesn't justify the price difference.
@@bryanmcguire3747 I really love everything about Battletech except for the rules. The rules are painfully slow and cumbersome, and not very balanced. Alpha strike is better but they kept a lot of slow legacy stuff like rolling 2d6 and then most of the rules are optional but really change the balance.
So I love the universe, but the rules really is keeping everyone in my playgroup from picking it up. I'm looking for alternatives like Steel Rift instead.
I've always loved Jay's sunny optimism... but this is absurd. The appeal of Kill Team is partially that its a more affordable way to get into the world of 40K.
A cheap resin printer, two sets of STLs for teams and a bottle of resin cost less than the whole box.
Yes. I like the lore. I want to get into KT with a friend but we don't own anything. I thought KT was a good option for us that we don't have the time nor the money to invest in regular 40k but it seems it is expensive anyways
Sons of Medusa, please Jay I need my cyborg Scavenger boys!
Oh dawm... Jay is giving me idea's again for my pirate/custom compendium/codexes
Line must go up!
I didn't get into Kill Team at current prices... now I absolutely won't at the new ones...
Hello, Corvus Belli, I'd like to get some Infinity!
Apart from che fact that the cards are sold separately, the worst is the Genestealer box: they stripped out the big piece from the original team and if you want it you have to buy it separately.
It’ll keep getting expensive if people keep buying it and all media pushes that “it’s fine”.
Ironic, i just watched Uncle Adam's video on 7 starter sets under $100. I guess ill try one of those!!
8:22 I did buy this box and split it with someone but i feel called out here.
Before getting the new Killteam box i bought corsair voidscarred to be my next project.
Space sharks 🦈
Splitting the box would be easier if there was a bit of doubling up of items. Like with the Conquest 2 player starters, they properly anticipate the split and provide 2 sets of rulebooks, quick start guide, measuring tools, maps. So you can split it and both players get an army and what they need to play.
Do another Conquest video please.
Yeah I basically split it such that the other guy was getting a 60 dollar kit. And based on the new pricing that might actually still be a good deal.
I'm excited for the new release. Interested in the Scions. But I can't be the only one that gets a new soft cover rule book and doesn't immediately go down to their FedEx or UPS and have them spiral bind it. I wish I could have them increase the sides of the margin so I can add notes
I have some Phobos models that I will proxy as scouts, I’ll paint them in a camouflage pattern to extra distinguish them. Screw $80 or put $15 aside each paycheck and get from FLGS or online merchant and get at a slight discount. I think people that have 3d printers are the lucky ones.
After publishing Mecha Combat.X. the Price diffrence between Papperback or Hardback is between £1-3 a book
I just pre ordered 2x of every box in the release im really excited and totally sold on army in a single box model of play
Damn, you just put things in perspective saying "You know whats also 80$? Space Marine 2." I was still deciding on buying it or waiting, guess ill buy SM2 instead of a box of Yaegirs, will not pay 1 dollar per point for them (CAD)
GW would probably make more money if they didn't raise prices so much
nah people still empty their warehouses, dont worry about their profit. they know how to max it :)
@@noonia i mean, if ebay and other resellers are anything to go by, SCALPERS clear their warehouses. And then sit there for 5 years trying to sell an indomitus box for double the price.
the sad thing is that whales will still buy their stuff regardless of the price. that's how companies make most of their money these days.
@@mrzeta7732 but businesses have to treat their customers as the enemy!
If you’re quick, I just bought a box of scouts on Amazon for $55
80 bucks !!!! wierd, for 32 euros you can buy a necromunda gang in my local store
Different game though. The killteams now cost about 62 euros
@@Maxmillion77 should be around the same price though, similiar model count skirmish games. And necromunda is far cooler !!!!!!!
@@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 Oh I agree it should be! and also Necromunda is great. It has that classic grimdark feel that 40k is slowly losing.
There's a reason why people don't like scions - it's exactly as you described it - they "look baroque" and they were never that. I think ti's popular consensus that the molefaced 'inquistorial stormtroopers' and the kasrkin were the iconic stormtroopers look. And the Elysians were the dream drop trooper look.
That and being what $60 for five models? The hilarious "they're elite, so you get five for the price of 10!" nonsense.
I wonder if manufacturing capacity and shelf space play a part. If you make KT and 40K branded Scouts that is twice the work.
Also, some players will cheap out and get the 40K Scouts for KT. By having just KT Scouts GW supplies a product at lowest cost for maximum profit.
I'm glad I already bought a box of SM Scouts! 😮
So Killteam is now on the same tier as the 40K game, due to the popularity. So it now gets 40K pricing. It's no longer a gateway game to the 40K universe, it's a standalone product attacting and retaining consumers on its own merits, without necessarily pulling them into 40K.
Exactly this. GW found that the so-called "introductory" game was very popular in its own right and decided to aggressively monetize that popularity. They then jack up the price for the individual teams beyond all reason to make the big box look like a "deal."
Thanks for the video Jay, I look forward to your show.
I wish the stingwings had enough helmets for the whole team, love the look of super future tau helmet on a giant bug lol
Yeah some of these prices are atrocious... especially the fact that they're charging that much for year 1 teams that will get the legacy treatment after this year
The word storm troopers probably got dropped for its historical connotation. Which ironically is also why so many sci fi writers chose the word, it inherently carried with it connotations of facism and evil empires. You see the storm troopers come out and immediately know these are the bad guys
I just want the night lords man
As someone watching this a year later and just starting. Get the rules before the models. Bought a basic squad and immediately realized the won't explain all the options and what they mean. Like what's the difference between a dominion vs a battle sister squad and how do I know if I've built it correctly for that squad and not made an illegal set
Love the work! Keep up the good work! ❤
Totally agree with loving the Scions. Was disappointed to see people were so down on the jump pack versions. I think they’re awesome. Maybe I can pick up some extra cheap second hand copies when people part out their boxes.
GW knows most of the KT sales are for the main 40k game outside of a few. I think the prices for things like scouts and mandrakes who are normally 5 model units makes sense to have at $80. You usually need more than one unit for an army, so why not sell it in doubles for a discount. For 40k players these are just discount boxes for multiple units, saving money. I imgaine this wont be the last time they do practice and hopefully they release some stuff i actually want for my armies
I like the smaller force formats GW is rolling out. I have Skaventide waiting for me at home, and I'm looking forward to assembling the Spearhead units. I have the Kreig and Ork kill team starter set, but haven't built them.
Wonder if GW will redo 40k's Combat Patrol based on feadback on how well Spearhead is being received.
Wonder about Warcry, these days...
The Scions are cool - BUT WHY NOT ELYSIANS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO COOL AND COULD WORK LIKE VET GUARDSMEN (KRIEG)
I agree, im also quite disappointed that you cant have Inquisitorial Scions (inquisitorial stormtroopers) in Agents of the Imperium. -sure you can do it way around, but its not the same.
Have you ever done a astra milatarum army? sorry if misspelled
Scouts: I'd eBay or pirate 2nd ed sergeants (bare head, sword and bolt pistol, smaller than primaris), or simply print scouts. There are only a trillion stls out there, after all.
Please can we have a studio tour Jay?
i am really confused, all of the old kill teams are gone from the warhammer website, what happened????
Reboxing into those new ones. I’m not getting it as I bought older boxes on Amazon and I am only buying the rules and approved ops cards
I never buy direct nowadays EXACTLY for your reasons. Now they're coming out the prices are very screwed up although there is a standard price. But the Scouts are hiked still 😮😢
Wait where is he sourcing the new prices for kill team? They aren’t on pre-order yet and I can’t find this information anywhere.
will there be battle reports of your training matches? :3
Assembled (but mot yet painted!) My metal Vespid just I'm time for them to come out in plastic!! 😅😂
Carcharodons aka "Space Sharks"
I want those vespids for my Tau and I think the kill team box is the only place to get them right now
I got the “how” right 2 times in a row! This is my peak, nothing shall live up to this success.
Crimson Fists next, please.
I admire your tenacity. Have my like, brother.
@@zieg0r Thank you Brother.
At this point I genuinely look forward to your comment. When he does finally give us a CF scheme I’ll kinda be sad😂
@@primarchcharlemagne 🤣
Liking for Pedro everytime brother
I quite like killteam because you could usually buy one box maybe 2 (such as deamons) and play a decent game but nearly £50 and for US even worse i cant really justify it for only 10 models, unless a team is absolute to die for ill pass them all now
In relation to how strong Fly is, they balance it with the Vespid by basically restricting their movement and shoot/fight options
GW prices went from 'expensive, but I like the models' to 'I like the models, but I'm not crazy'... Night Lords box price is 187pln in my local friendly game store, with a huge discount, while few years ago 175pln was the asking GW price for some of the most expensive 10 unit boxes! With same discount it would be around 130pln! You can't tell me it's not outregous to increase price by nearly 44% over around 5 years :|
Time to invest in a 3d printer...
I went to a new local game store, and thought "Holy crap, they're charging over MSRP for GW kits...they're hosed.". But then I realized I had just missed the last 2-3 price hikes (I don't buy GW stuff generally).
@@oskar6661 now that's an ooof... but yea, those prices are getting silly now.
I recently learned that youre apparently a Minnesotan, and now i really wanna get a game in with you lol.
Yeah, as soneone who just started and Imperial Fleet force thats heavy on Navy Breachers and Arbites, the new pricong has me terrified. Also the 4 year shelf life thing. When they drop out of Kill Team and are no longer for sale, will they get repackaged for Agents or just go legends and invalidate my new army
The cringe of 80 dollar kill teams vs space marine 2 is mind boggling
Scouts are still like 55 on Amazon; just picked some up this week
Maybe with whatever rules they're going to go with in the new edition. Those armies with the price increase are going to do better in the addition so they're trying to raise the prices now
Right now, the only way I'll actually get into the tabletop game is if GW releases rules for a terminator kill team. I'll buy the Saturn Heavy Squad from Tortuga Bay, paint them as Salamanders, and take them to my local game store where they don't care if my minis are official.
What do I think of GW pricing? I think my $200 m5s that has required no tinkering and runs perfect prints directly out of the box will make me more models than I will ever be able to paint in my lifetime😂
I remember being upset seeing scalpers selling mandrakes for 80 bucks on eBay.
$80 for the scout kill team made me so mad. I had an order in at my Local Store, and had to cancel it because they moved it to the new price. I just ended up getting the scouts on Amazon for $55. I felt like it forced me not to buy at my local store because of GW price change. If it when to $70. Sure I don’t think I would have been upset. The $15 jump for nothing, when all rules are supposed to be digital? This feels wrong
I don’t see the prices on GW website. Are they still leaks at this point?
All I'm hearing is that my dark angels scouts are all going to be built out of crusader squad neophytes
$230 IS A LOT OF MONEY JAY, even if splitting, and who gets what? ❤ your optimism is impressive, but your positivity is too near to shilling for GW!! 😂
Bro he was collecting armies in high school you can tell he’s got the wealthy background to back it up lmao no way me or anyone I know could afford that even now let alone as a kid lol I love him but he’s GW target Audience - cash whales 😅
I miss the old Stormtroopers. They had a look the Scions cannot live up to!
Sean the Nemesis dice? When?
Just a correction not all men go to scions they are men and women. And not all women who are orphans go to the sisters. Orphans of imperial commanders and soldiers are often sent to the schola progenia from there they are divided based on skills and needs some have there minds altered to be used for political reasons (outgunned is a perfect example of that). Commissars and other political positions are filled with people who graduate from these schools. The general programming given to the children depends on the sectors needs as they are kinda loose with general education until the child is assigned to a particular specialization. Depending of the order sisters get people from many walks of life and are sent to a completely different school to be indoctrinated and trained to join (notable example is that some orders take esher gangers to there orders.) Most organizations within the imperium are made of both men and women there are very few exceptions.
So kill team was how I got my friend to play. He has legionaries and hearthkyn but I used compedium tyranids almost exclusivly until just a few months ago I finished my Hunter clade adeptus mechanics. I also had a box of custodes i used once. See the issue? None of my teams are in the game anymore. (EDIT: I do see that hunter clade will be getting free rules now. Stil though I played nids mainly lol) I do have just loose space marines I could probably use for angels of death but i didnt see myself playing them anytime soon in kill team. Now its the only option ill have if I want to continue into this new editon until/unless they atart doing bespoke teams😮
Making Scouts $80 is absolutely insane considering they are both a Kill Team and a 40k unit. Thankfully I got my Scouts back around when they came out but I feel bad for whoever doesn't have them in their army yet and will have to pay that insane price
i know little to nothing about killteam, but I imagine their pricing should be based on whether or not you can use the models in 40k. For example, the vespid are not really in 40k, therefore they should be cheaper, this would sort of explain the scouts dilemma, but idfk
Vespid can certainly join the 40K tabletop, they already have rules
In Australia we already have to pay these sorts of prices. I acknowledge that our “dollar is worth less” but hey, it doesn’t make it sting any less 😅
I’d rather pay 80 AUD than 80 USD any day lmfao 😂
I bought the current (soon to be old) Kill Team Scouts for my 40k army for 15% off from a store in my city once I found out this garbage was happening, they quickly sold out a day later. Won't be buying Scouts ever again now I have 10 of them. Paid 68 CAD for them. The new box will allegedly be 80-90 CAD for cardboard tokens added. Absolutely ret*****
"They wanna see what happens..."
3D printing gets more popular. That's what happens.
By the way have you heard of a game called Stargrave? For a box of Stargrave you can get several kill teams.
A legendary "how" this week!
What a f**king smooth ad break.
i can't and dont want to pay so much for single tyranid minis and now this lmao. gonna print like a mf when i have my shed to put the fume machine inside
You can get Dystopian Wars or Conquest or Star Wars Legion or anything other than GW which mostly likely has better rules.
The range of prices does feel a bit scummy.
80 dollar squads of introductory kill team units and 60 dollar rule books are stupid expensive. They talk about good value for money in the hobby space, Mandrakes or scouts at 80 dollars, you will never get 80 dollars worth of value out of those figures.
13th Company Space Wolves would be fun
$280 Canadian for 2 teams and a bit of terrain is insane when I got the Gallowfall box last year for close to $200.
Jay: 230 bones
Me: Nope!
Insted of full price, 3d print them it would save a whole lot of money
I just cannot be asked to pay that much for a game. Most games I play with friends are upwards of 50 dollars and they’re ready out of the box. With the Killteam boxes, you’re not getting everything you need, you have to put it all together, etc. It’s why I’ll just continue to play it online and or with the one team I have physically.
Kill Team 2018 came with a heap of great terrain.
Surprised jay didn’t mention the not so subtle emperors children teases gw has been doing on their RUclips channel.
Day 80 of asking Jay to paint a skitarii
the inquisitiorial agents have 6 models in the box so they better not go up by much