More specifically, that guitar part is the exact same as the opening of "the horse and the Infant". It doesn't just symbolize Odysseus, it represents an oncoming battle and Odysseus's signature gile.
@@missdarling7806 his theme has two different guitars and electric one when he’s being divine as a strategist and his regular guitar when he’s acting as a mortal
It's not her theme per say.? It's the melody of "There are other ways" or however that song is titled. And it seems to be just a general "manipulation motif" in its use.
@@randolphrosenberg2994 it's a recurring melody for her, which is why they call it her theme. Like the notes that play before Athena's interjection in Remember Them being hers
Noooooooooo amigo, It’s like what Jorge said recently about Odysseus remembering stuff from previous Sagas to use in his current situation, like the Lotus from the Troy Saga to the Cyclops Saga, or Aeolus’s wind bag from the Ocean Saga, or the knowledge of Cyclops from the Cyclop Saga to the Circe Saga.
I almost like thr idea of Odysseus dancing her to her bedroom. Closing the door gently.... then hammering a bunch of planks of wood to the door like a cartoon character and running for the beeches XD
And then he has that sequence like in Moana where he uses a raft to try and escape but the sea (or the gods) manage to always get him back on the island
I just like the idea of Odysseus just leaving Calyspso in her bedroom all hot and bothered while he jumps in the water and tries to fucking swim for it! 😂
I mean yes, but also incredibly sad. Imagine being trapped on an island and the only possible way to get home is to sleep with the one holding you hostage.
Just noticed that Circe's theme is playing😱 to imply that Odysseus is playing the same game Circe's playing in "there are other ways" love the small details❤️
"suddenly my appetite has changed... I'm starving-" that line does something... Like how do I say this without sounding insane.. Uhm... Well he sounds like he could convince her 💀👍
My gut says that this song has been cut as when he was showing the song list the "Calypso Saga's" (aka the wisdom+vengence saga) songs are all ones we've seen before. Between this and the Island Rave-style song in the 'cut songs' video the Calypso Saga seems to have some really good songs that had to be ditched. I do REALLY hope though that he releases a bonus album with the cut songs in it though cuz these are bops
@@jonispatentedYeah he might just have reinterpreted that scene tho- he does that quite a bit when cutting songs. Either the song didn’t fit tonally or it got merged with another song- the amount of plot progression per song varies wildly. Nothing really happens in luck runs out or honestly the underworld, and the events could be consolidated into a verse if needed. On the other end of the spectrum you have the horse and the infant, remember them and keep your friends close. Especially in the case of keep your friends close, where they go from docked at Aeolus’ island to almost at Ithaca to caught in a storm to being sent into the land of the giants and Poseidon
@@Nerember I'm pretty sure in a live stream AGES ago we did hear the whole thing (I could be wrong), but it could still be in "Not Sorry for Loving you" if we haven't heard the whole of it in a stream, maybe...
WOW THE COMBINATION OF CIRCE'S THEME AND THEN THERE GOES THE CLEVERBOI THEME ALMOST DIRECTLY FROM HORSE AND THE INFANT this musical will actually kill me
Another reply since I can’t edit my comments on this device 💔 He sounds so..charismatic and enchanting while singing this song, it’s just so powerful 😳
The 'There are other ways' tune showing Odysseus's manipulatiom tactics and then 'The Horse and the Infant' tune showing Odysseus's dedication to getting home. Oh my god this man's diligence and attention to detail never fails to amaze me
I just now noticed that There Are Other Ways plays at the start, then switching into an electric guitar riff off of The Horse And An Infant (first showing that he's using the seduction tactics he noticed Circe using, then revealing that he's being cunning and sees this situation as a war, this time of mind and soul instead of sword and shield)
@@peter42466 yeah if you look at the list of songs video that he made or just google it, this song is not on the list anymore. Besides, there's not really a place to put it in anyway
I'm glad that we ended up getting "I'm not sorry for loving you" instead of this song, but I also really like how this song has the melody of "There are other ways" and "The horse and the infant" to portray that Odysseus is trying to seduce/deceive Calypso using his cunning
I love that any of the seduction songs (Circe's,the siren flirtation song,and this) That there is always this kind of fluid tango music attached. This push and pull aggression to the music that a tango carries to show how Ody isn't in love with these deities or creatures,he's still in battle mode. It's just a different battle. So complex and so good!
after listening to love in paradise this makes me feel significantly better for Odysseus, MY BOY MAKES IT OUT!!! like I knew that but MY BOY IS BACK IN HIS CONFORT ZONE!
Circe didn't r him, though. She offered him, and he accepted although only to gain her trust so she would agree to free his men, because as much as he could kill her, that would not have turned his men back.
@@cyclone-studio18 Ehh not necessarily coercion. Odysseus could have said no and leave but Hermes told him had to do it to make sure "they became friends". He was technically forced for the sake of his men's safety, but Circe wasn't obligated to extend their hospitality.
I kinda feel bad for Calypso, but considering she's been forcing herself on Odysseus for nearly ten years at this point, despite him constant rejections, kinda dampers her image.
Not how I would handle it. Is it cunning? Yes. Is it cruel? Yes! He's already gotten the greenlight to leave the island. No need to twist the knife further than it already has been.
Late but fun fact: hermes and calypso had a fight scene, but it was scrapped because hermes just speed blitzed her. It went smth like “Over my dead body!” “Now THAT sounds alot more fun!” we love hermes
how does Odysseus deall with problems?
"i have a wife"
“What’s your type?”
“My girlfriend.”
“So what’s your type then?”
“My girlfriend.”
@@ThatCrazyOne11 "What would you rate me out of ten?" "I can't rate you." "Why not?" "I have a girlfriend."
@@Lala14-zo5cw"you can't rate me at all" "I can't rate you at all" "what would you rate your girlfriend" "she broke my scale she so beautiful"
*Literally.* I said the other day about Done For that he really “I love my wife”s himself out of situations
Does not seem to work with Calypso for some reason tho 🤔
"great job, you're a liar!"
I cant 😂
“Well done, you lied to me, what’s your name”
@@freedomorigami4430"you first then maybe I'll do the same"
@@katsukibakugou5453 “nice try but two can play this game”
@@freedomorigami4430 "nah don't be modest, I know you're a goddess, so let's be honest, you are ATHENA"
Not only Circe’s theme is playing but also the electric guitar can be heard which we know means that Odysseus is being cunning
More specifically, that guitar part is the exact same as the opening of "the horse and the Infant". It doesn't just symbolize Odysseus, it represents an oncoming battle and Odysseus's signature gile.
@@springerengineering6697It's whenever Odysseus is being strategic
@@springerengineering6697didn’t jay say that was odysseus’ theme tho?
@@missdarling7806 his theme has two different guitars and electric one when he’s being divine as a strategist and his regular guitar when he’s acting as a mortal
It's also in triplets.
I love the detail of circe's theme in the beginning. It says that ofysseus is using the seducing skills he learned from her
Circe used her ✨️feminine whiles✨️ on Odysseus and now it's time for Odysseus to use his ✨️masculine whiles✨️on Calypso 😅😂
It's not her theme per say.? It's the melody of "There are other ways" or however that song is titled. And it seems to be just a general "manipulation motif" in its use.
@@randolphrosenberg2994Yeah that's how Jay usually uses background melodies
@@randolphrosenberg2994 it's a recurring melody for her, which is why they call it her theme. Like the notes that play before Athena's interjection in Remember Them being hers
Noooooooooo amigo, It’s like what Jorge said recently about Odysseus remembering stuff from previous Sagas to use in his current situation, like the Lotus from the Troy Saga to the Cyclops Saga, or Aeolus’s wind bag from the Ocean Saga, or the knowledge of Cyclops from the Cyclop Saga to the Circe Saga.
I almost like thr idea of Odysseus dancing her to her bedroom. Closing the door gently.... then hammering a bunch of planks of wood to the door like a cartoon character and running for the beeches XD
that is an absolute vision
And then he has that sequence like in Moana where he uses a raft to try and escape but the sea (or the gods) manage to always get him back on the island
This is gold!
HELP THIS IS SO FUNNY
Calypso... Hades he escaped
I just like the idea of Odysseus just leaving Calyspso in her bedroom all hot and bothered while he jumps in the water and tries to fucking swim for it! 😂
Honestly cannon 😂
Yes
“GET IN THE WATER” 2.0
😂😂😂😂😂
@@Da-Storms except its posiden going "GO , GET IN THE WATER , NOW! SWIM YOU GAGGLEFUCK SWIM!"
He turned back to a “Warrior of the Mind “ and took a page from Circe book to seduce Calypso.
And that one part was from Horse and The Infant
@@JuneCreat.rthat's just classified as Odysseus's theme according to Jay.
I love the implication that Odysseus spent YEARS being like >:/ before deciding to try and play along. What an absolute chad.
Let him be grumpy 😠
I mean yes, but also incredibly sad. Imagine being trapped on an island and the only possible way to get home is to sleep with the one holding you hostage.
@@strawberryfox8819so nasty 🤮 everyone would be angry. Disgusting ultimatum.
And we all know the whole time he’s hating it
My mans spent seven years having a daily crying sesh on that island
“I’m starving for more than just a meal tonight my darling”
Just noticed that Circe's theme is playing😱 to imply that Odysseus is playing the same game Circe's playing in "there are other ways" love the small details❤️
But this song comes before There are Other Ways so maybe the opposite
No. This happens AFTER Circe, Calypso's island is where he spends 8 years alone before returning to Ithaca@@lilia3529
This song is after circe
@@lilia3529this *so* after Circe
So cool that you caught that. It’s so spot on how Jay works. I always miss these details. XD
"suddenly my appetite has changed... I'm starving-" that line does something... Like how do I say this without sounding insane.. Uhm... Well he sounds like he could convince her 💀👍
Have you heard Thunder Bringer?
@@Larawrites19this is from a year ago so OP probably only heard the snippet
Ody “there are other ways”-ing Calypso 😭🙏
And the fact that Circe motif plays to which just confirms that he is ACTIVELY trying to seduce her
From the new wisdom saga, I think Odysseus is distracting Calypso while he runs, because he got a message from Hermes and is sprinting for his LIFE.
Hermes comin in clutch
@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen once again Hermes saves the day
@@wherealbi4728 took him 7 years
Yup, there was another cut song after this where she stops him and confronts him.
Indeed but I think Calypso catches him and the song she sang is not sorry for loving you
"There are other ways of persuasion, there are other modes of control..."
😂😂
There are other means of deceit, there are other roads to the soul
@@captainblue5096There are other actions of passion
You have so much left to learn…
@@joesplace2960 Want to save your men from the fire? Show me you are willing to burn!
‘There are other ways’ into the beginning of ‘The Horse and The Infant’? So good
Ikr. It's both amazing musically and brilliant storytelling. Such a small detail yet a veritable master class in telling a story with only leitmotifs
Jorge been reading my conversation tips on “how to seduce a goddess”
Athena in the background: *GREAT JOB! YOU'RE A LIAR*
EDIT: DAM. THAT'S A LOT OF LIKES
"Great Job! You lied to me, what's your name?" is canon
@@zamirtachackvalencia1212 That's where I got it XD
@@zamirtachackvalencia1212 It's not though, it's "Great job, enlighten me. What's your name?"
@@deranged_dragon9471 I know i wasn't saying it literally xd
@@zamirtachackvalencia1212 oh okay! My mistake though, definitely a R/woosh moment LMFAO
What we know of Ody…
He will lie through his teeth with a smile on his face to get home to his sweet sweet wife and son…
What we know of Penelope...
She would rather lie and weave a shroud for 20 years than allow some random steal Odysseus' crown.
My gut says that this song has been cut as when he was showing the song list the "Calypso Saga's" (aka the wisdom+vengence saga) songs are all ones we've seen before. Between this and the Island Rave-style song in the 'cut songs' video the Calypso Saga seems to have some really good songs that had to be ditched. I do REALLY hope though that he releases a bonus album with the cut songs in it though cuz these are bops
More likely, this song is just a small part of one of the other songs. It's a very important moment. This is how he tricks her.
@@jonispatentedYeah he might just have reinterpreted that scene tho- he does that quite a bit when cutting songs. Either the song didn’t fit tonally or it got merged with another song- the amount of plot progression per song varies wildly. Nothing really happens in luck runs out or honestly the underworld, and the events could be consolidated into a verse if needed. On the other end of the spectrum you have the horse and the infant, remember them and keep your friends close. Especially in the case of keep your friends close, where they go from docked at Aeolus’ island to almost at Ithaca to caught in a storm to being sent into the land of the giants and Poseidon
This might actually be a part of Love in Paradise since we haven’t heard the song in full.
@@Nerember I'm pretty sure in a live stream AGES ago we did hear the whole thing (I could be wrong), but it could still be in "Not Sorry for Loving you" if we haven't heard the whole of it in a stream, maybe...
I would eat up an album of the cut songs.
I love how we can ear "there are other ways" showing that he will try to manipulate her
This song was originally gonna be called "Appetite" but was cut
IT WAS CUT?? NOO
😭😭😭
just ruined my day
So this version of Odysseus says no to Circe AND Calypso? What an absolute chad
also in the original he spends most of his time on calypso's island weeping for his home lol
It's heavily implied in the original to that Odysseus was SA'd by Calypso and was unwilling
Yeah, in one of versions I read it literally said it was against his will,
@@theskeptic1065and not to memtion he was forced to sleep with Circe to escape
Yes. Ody is not an adulterer, he's a victim.
"im starving for more than just a meal tonight" SCREAMING CRYING KICKING FEET DAMN ID FALL FOR THIS MAN IN AN INSTANT
Hes been building his boat in secret, and plans to run for it tonight after tricking Calypso to wait for him. :3
There are, in fact, other ways of persuasion
"I think love is in the air"
I feel like you would say that while making a pizza, and throwing cheese 🧀
WOW THE COMBINATION OF CIRCE'S THEME AND THEN THERE GOES THE CLEVERBOI THEME ALMOST DIRECTLY FROM HORSE AND THE INFANT this musical will actually kill me
The melody: "There are other ways of persuasion" 😭 he learned from Circe
Bro took "Great job, You're a liar!" To the next level 💀
At the beginning the music sounds like there are other ways :0
God, I love these small details 😭😭
I wrote this before I listened to the video. Oh my god. I was NOT EXPECTING THAT 😭😭 ODY NOOO
Another reply since I can’t edit my comments on this device 💔
He sounds so..charismatic and enchanting while singing this song, it’s just so powerful 😳
"There are other ways of persuasion "
odySSEUS WHAT ARE YOU DOING. ODYSSEUS????? WHY ARE YOU LYING TO HER. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN. SIR
Hey she's kept him trapped on her island for 7 years, he can have a little trickery. As a treat.
I love the way you phrased that@@mythicalgirl2005
Convince her to stay in her room while he tries to escape.
TO GET HOME TO PENELOPE
@@strawberryfox8819(runs into ocean)
O: *lies through all his teeth*
O: *waits a few moments for her to get out of earshot*
O: *bolts like a bunny with Cerberus on his heels*
The 'There are other ways' tune showing Odysseus's manipulatiom tactics and then 'The Horse and the Infant' tune showing Odysseus's dedication to getting home. Oh my god this man's diligence and attention to detail never fails to amaze me
He’s trying to sneak to a boat he made I feel
Anyone else notice at the beginning the melody was ‘There are other ways’ and ‘The infant and the horse’
How does Ody tackle situations? "Penelopeeeeeee!"
Athena: "Great job, you're liar! "Me: pfffft yep he is but we like him that way 🤣🤣🤣.
Turns out the name of this song is Appetite
The way he sings “calypso my darling”
When the musical hits the stage I’m getting a seat I swear
Bro literaly went "There are other ways of persuasion~"
I just now noticed that There Are Other Ways plays at the start, then switching into an electric guitar riff off of The Horse And An Infant (first showing that he's using the seduction tactics he noticed Circe using, then revealing that he's being cunning and sees this situation as a war, this time of mind and soul instead of sword and shield)
See you can learn quite a lot from a random witch on an island you accidentally stumbled upon
She’s a goddess not a witch
Big difference
@@radiohostalastor She's both
"When the *witch* turns men to pigs to protect her nymphs is she going insane?"
@@radiohostalastor Is she a goddess? Isn't she like a demi-god of sorts? I know her as a Witch of Iaiai
“Well done you lied to me what’s your name”
Bro took that literally- 💀
“Well done, enlighten me- what’s your name?”
Ody is sure using "other ways" of persuasion
I love how Circe’s theme is playing like he playing with Calypso or being the “puppeteer”
Uh oh. He better make it out of there before she finds out or there’s gonna be heck to pay 😳
Indeed
Hearing "There are Other Ways" motif at the beginning of this.... O.O
"There are many ways of persuasion..." glad Odysseus learns from his past foes
I love how theres the subtle undertone of there are other ways in the song
Why does this make me giggle😭
Me too honey😂
same..
Mans lying through his damn teeth bruh💀
God he pulled a golem with "precious"
Given that this version of Odysseus doesn't sleep around, I'd guess he's setting a trap for her.
Brother is planning an escape
I like to think that she waited for years in that bed just to find out that Odysseus had just ditched her
BRO LOOKS LIKE A LITERAL CHILD IN THIS😭
“Odysseus lying to-” There we are a summery of the Odyssey
Odysseus: fuck it I'll take my luck with Poseiden.
I love him for that like he looked at 'peace on an island' and chose I have a wife.
"There are other ways of persuasion~"
And then he’ll sneak away all “nye he he”
He is what Hamilton could never be
HELP LMAO
HELP ME LMAO
Its so crazy to hear this after There Are Other Ways is actually out
Love the callback to Circe in the beginning. Wish this could've stayed in the musical
Wait this got cut I just assumed it was unreleased cause we only have 30/40 songs right
@@peter42466 yeah if you look at the list of songs video that he made or just google it, this song is not on the list anymore. Besides, there's not really a place to put it in anyway
Lie, sneak, gravitas and stab
I'm glad that we ended up getting "I'm not sorry for loving you" instead of this song, but I also really like how this song has the melody of "There are other ways" and "The horse and the infant" to portray that Odysseus is trying to seduce/deceive Calypso using his cunning
I love that any of the seduction songs (Circe's,the siren flirtation song,and this) That there is always this kind of fluid tango music attached. This push and pull aggression to the music that a tango carries to show how Ody isn't in love with these deities or creatures,he's still in battle mode. It's just a different battle. So complex and so good!
I imagine Odysseus about to throw up while hes saying all this
"There are other ways of persuasion~" indeed.
Ody: I gotta get back before Calypso realizes I’m not in bed
Calypso: ODY?! ODDDYYYY??
WHY CAN’T THIS BE BROUGHT BACK?! It’s so good!!
Oooooh.... Oh my god. Oh my god this sounds so cool this is so interesting CIRCE'S THEME AT THE BEGINNING..... Yes
Btw it's cut it's no longer in Epic
@@Kumo_nl as cut as the sirens?
Ngl if my crush said this to me I’d actually believe them 💀
There are other ways theme at the start means so much about Ody's seduction intensions 😭😭😭😭
Pay Jorge for the work he's done
I'm just going to take a wild guess that he is trying to trick Calypso so he can get out of there or something
This song has presumably been cut btw- song 31 is now not sorry for loving you
NOOOO😭😭😭
Well, i guess the world really needed a puppeteer more!
WE GETTIN FREAKY
BRO I SEROUIS THOUGHT THIS WAS THERE ARE OTHER WAYS UNTIL I HEARD GUITAR😭😭
but seriously i like the fact they add circe's theme
There are many ways of persuasion 🎉
after listening to love in paradise this makes me feel significantly better for Odysseus, MY BOY MAKES IT OUT!!! like I knew that but MY BOY IS BACK IN HIS CONFORT ZONE!
31 31 31. THIS IS THE START OF VENGEANCE SAGA
Actually, this song is cut. The first song of the vengeance is actually 'I'm not sorry'
Circe: that’s my man, boi! Show her what you got!
The progressively longer hair as the time goes on is so funny
there are other ways of persuasion
Im glad Jorge didn't go with Circe and Calypso r wording Oddyseus
Er, it’s still coercion tho
@@emeraldlily673 True
Circe didn't r him, though. She offered him, and he accepted although only to gain her trust so she would agree to free his men, because as much as he could kill her, that would not have turned his men back.
@@mado-wh4jvsoooo coercion, which is r-pe
@@cyclone-studio18 Ehh not necessarily coercion. Odysseus could have said no and leave but Hermes told him had to do it to make sure "they became friends".
He was technically forced for the sake of his men's safety, but Circe wasn't obligated to extend their hospitality.
The second i heard "Calypso my darling* i went OOOOH YIKES POOR GIRL
I kinda feel bad for Calypso, but considering she's been forcing herself on Odysseus for nearly ten years at this point, despite him constant rejections, kinda dampers her image.
“And I said yes….. you know, like a LIAR”
Yeah, he learned that from Circe
Odysseus meanwhile: sharpens knife.
I hope they make a full animated musical when all the. Offical EPIC Songs Are out
Not how I would handle it. Is it cunning? Yes. Is it cruel? Yes! He's already gotten the greenlight to leave the island. No need to twist the knife further than it already has been.
There are other ways of persuasion...
"Well done, you're a liar"
Your talent and insight knows no bounds, and I love the little musical call backs that play in the background
Late but fun fact: hermes and calypso had a fight scene, but it was scrapped because hermes just speed blitzed her. It went smth like
“Over my dead body!”
“Now THAT sounds alot more fun!”
we love hermes
i know yhis song is cut but i wamt a full version so bad >_
He said he might do a cut song album for the songs that didn’t fit in the story but we’re still really good
It got cut? D:
Same, especially since I only discovered it after it got cut :(((