Dang... Peterson is soooooo persuasive here. I almost believed him... until I read the disclaimer RUclips put on this video about climate change. That was close.
@@yassinsuleiman655 Yes. It is the generic wikipedia note quoting UN about how climate change is real. They automatically slap these notes on any topic that the left politically disagrees with.
I'll start worrying about climate change when the elites who are telling me I should care stop flying in private planes to discuss how the rest of the world needs to suffer for the cause.
@samvandervelden8243 like the scientific consensus paid for and feeding their families from the elites? When it gets a couple degrees warmer I'll take a shirt off. When it gets colder I'll put a jacket on. There is no model or algorithm accurate enough to predict the future climate. More CO2 will result in more plant life at the worst. There have always been natural disasters and always will be.
@@samvandervelden8243his point is like it won’t make a difference if you pick up one leaf off of your lawn everyday if a big dump truck comes by and unloads a whole truck full of leaves on your lawn everyday. Your attempts will be futile. Another thing is the US only contributes 15% to CO2 emissions and China is almost double that. You need to start with the biggest monster before fixing the little monsters will make any bit of a difference. But besides, none of it really matters, there will always be pollution. The best thing for people is to develop economically, not try to solve “climate change”.
South Australia has tried to prove to the world a state can run 100% on renewable energy. We have the highest energy prices in the world, we had state wide blackouts for 2 days, we have rolling blackouts in the city every night, rural areas can be without power for days at a time, industry is leaving the state because their energy bills are through the roof. We have an abundance of natural resources that we mine and ship overseas, but no way would we do anything to reduce the prices for the state population. We also buy a lot of our energy from other states. It's gone beyond a joke and is just plain corruption now.
You have been mislead. Sorry. All the east coast states are part of the grid. All states buy and sell based on how much they are currently producing and need. Blackouts would have been for another reason. Probably underfunding of transmission maintenance.
This couldn’t be further from the truth. Solar energy is SO productive that it creates a duck curve. This is a real problem as over generation causes severe strain on the grid.
I’ve never understood these kind of comments. I mean you’re free to say what you want but why not find points you disagree with or flaws in his case to address instead, is it that you couldn’t find any? I used to see liberals do this type of stuff a lot but seems like conservatives don’t do any better lol.
they know like everyone else the planet is over populated and they have no problem getting rid of a few million of the poorest people as long as the rich have their way
@@jenniek8391 Yeah, that literal science that involves running climate simulations on a flat earth. That science that needs a CO2 "control knob" to get the results they want.
@@HomeCinemaJunkie which models would that be? lmao. there have been dozens of models and predictions over the years. they have come either true or things turned out even worse than predicted because the models were very conservative. maybe it's time you stop denying globally established science.
HEY!... it's actually 23%. And on the same day, the 338 MPs are getting a 4% pay raise. $8000-$12,000 a year for their $200,000 annual paycheques, and a hefty $16,000 increase for the prime minister.
Because RUclips is full of people that will merely repackage ideas that they have heard/read and present them to their audience, without spending any time whatsoever scrutinizing these ideas in the first place before presenting them. There's a difference between taking apart an idea and trying to understand it, versus regurgitating it and acting as if you understand it. The person that does the latter will typically be exposed when they are asked to defend the idea against someone who has actually spent time analyzing it.
@@LowkeyHundo Talk about being dishonest and in bad faith. Destiny's point are: Not every poor is a good person who deserves help. Poverty itself is not a virtue, there is a lot of bad poor people. He is fine with abortion in the first 2 weeks. Very different from "until birth"
A sin tax is dramatically different than an energy tax… a sin tax is on something you don’t need while an energy tax is on something you need not want but need to live
@@Kyle-sr6jmit's related to the story of Genesis. Earth was a garden of Eden with a perfect climate always. Then you know who(str8 white male patriarchy).....
You think Jordan saying that we can’t prove the carbon dioxide is from the Industrial Revolution is somehow winning then I doubt your ability to follow
I remember being young and joking with friends that one day if they could they would charge us for the air we breath. Well here we are, what a joke this world has become.
@@ty194 probably extension of a family joke, hold our breath so you don't cause climate change. The typical mockery to the psychopaths forcing this down our throat.
I merely see a definition of The expression Climate change. Which is good because many people get confused about what separates environmental issues and Climate issues for example.
There’s people that know what they know and always know there’s a chance they may be wrong. Then there’s people that believe they know and they can’t possibly be wrong.
@@MikeAIrightwell yeah. When nasa stop launching rockets and politicians and elites all over the world stop travelling in private jets and lower there carbon emissions then il start to believe
@@demun6065 not me, so what are you on about? carbon dioxide is not the sole issue, but it is the MOST PROMINENT greenhouse gas and the MAIN contributor to warming due to greenhouse effect.
@@ShakeITyEA the earth is now 20% greener than in the 70s. The us attacked the nord stream pipeline releasing the most amount of methane ever recorded. All of it is lies.
Man argues that secret elites want to kill poor because like Hitler they have lost the plot. JP is deeply unserious man. Like lets compare: Hitler wanted to make Germany most powerfull contry in the world, but ended with Germany in ruins because his army was not strong enough. ????? wanted to ??????, but is about to fail because ??????, and now poor are dying. Truly masterfull analyss of the world.
@@cleanup8984 can you name a single thing he’s ever taken from Wikipedia? 🤣 people love to say this, but it isn’t true. You hear of something, type it in a search engine, look through the wiki to get an overview, and then go find sources and further information elsewhere on what’s summarized on. He has hundreds of hours of streams of him just reading sources. He’s reading a book out loud, reading a UN report, reading investigations, peer reviewed papers, interviews, so on and so forth… I’m curious as to whether the right wingers have anything other than memes. Trump brain rot at its finest, just make funny quips and destroy the world in the process.
The sudden increase in temperature is also massively.impactes by the measurement. There are very few monitoring atations not effected by urban development.
Exactly and even then it’s a very small amount. The funniest thing is our climate has been relatively stable over the last century. It would be mega funny if we ran into another mini ice age
Rationality vs. the Church of Climatology. Let's say that humanity is even partially responsible, the cost to "ameliorate" humanity's supposed involvement in the change is far greater than the cost to acclimate to the change.
Yes, it will be much cheaper to relocate all our coastal cities and build large green houses for all of our farming, and to desalinate water instead of just getting it from rivers. Smart, genius.
We are at the top of the 90-year Gleissberg solar cycle! We are having the same hot, dry weather as they had during the last two peaks in 1847 and 1936.
Whatever happened to that ice bridge connecting Russia & Alaska? I guess the ancient inuits were driving too many sports cars and flying too many planes in 10 000 BCE.
Yeah. Destiny’s notepad has the genius level thoughts on it and Peterson’s has the doodles on it. The reason is that Peterson is smart enough to remember everything destiny says without needing to take notes. And destiny needs to take notes of what Peterson says because he’s not used to hearing arguments that are way better than the greatest thought he’s ever had.
@@Wate Destiny's key contention about JBP's criticism of climate model validity was based on time-span, when he brought up the cancer argument, COMPLETELY missing the entire point that JBP was making that the lack of overview in time scale, since the life and heat cycles of a planet vastly outmeasures a person's. Destiny's analogy was EXACTLY demonstrating a lack of understanding about JBP's comparisons over the vast time of the planet's life.
This guy would destroy you in a debate. He’s extremely smart and a good debater. He may be supporting arguments that are not correct, but don’t dismiss his integrity or intelligence. He’s not an ideologue. He will end up on the right side one day and we will be glad he is
@@jebalitabb8228exactly. I agree with his positions but man, all he did here was cut off the other guy every 2 seconds like wtf it’s not even a debate at that point. I have a really hard time with Peterson even though I agree with most of his views
@@Elias2293 okay but he doesn’t hold him responsible for anything so what’s the point in cutting him off? Just let him ramble surely he will look like a fool right
This guy trying to debate Jordan is like a child attempting to debate the parent on the reasoning he/she believes having cupcakes for dinner is reasonable.
thank you for that reminder - i knew there was something familiar with that knucklehead's behavior - i had 7 kids and now you know, how i know, that you know what you are talking about ( i just looked at your yewspewed tag -> ) and now i know that you were referring to my commentary style, when you gave yourself that tag name - i can give you an example ( this was a real life event - it is not fabrication ) : parent -> have you ever heard of blank blank or blah blah ? child -> i don't know - i just don' t know - i might have heard it while i was doing something else and i didn't know i heard it - so the answer is i don't know if i heard it before ... sounds like a case of GA DA FW syndrome - think of state name - judicial system official - first and last initials
@@CHIM3RA. maybe true but more a comment on his general disposition.. even arguing vehemently against left-wing liberal principles after purporting to be guided by compassion for the oppressed.
@ipredictariot6371 forgot to add that I agree 100% cause Destiny solely debates to "WIN" even though discussions like this aren't as simple a topic where one sides arguments claims victory. I'm with JP.
@@CHIM3RA. I didn’t answer your comment very well. Very good observations… yes, I recall JP saying something towards the end about the pitfalls of getting caught up in falsehoods. I think a sort of qualified reference to the conceded acknowledgment that he’s “sharp”.
Destiny bolsters his arguments after a debate, he does not generally change his mind or analyze his philosophy/principles for inconsistencies. When he debated Sean Fitzgerald, he didn't know the academic origins, development cycle, and current practice of Critical Race Theory, and still tried to debate about it with him, so he got his ass destroyed. In later videos, he specifically mentions these things when talking about Critical Race Theory, and tried to argue that they were at WORST a moral nullification because they could supply good things like perspective, etc. Completely invalidating that they are not critical thinking processes and focusing on their producing results that he agrees with.
Jordan Peterson: "you can't model climate systems or economic systems to the degree these policies require." Destiny: "let's assume you can model climate systems and economic systems to the degree these policies require [so I can make the point I want to make]."
@@timliu6870 there is not some threshold at which a model is deemed accurate enough to make predictions off of. Just because you don't know or understand the model does not make it useful.
I mean, I agree it's impossible to model, but still worth noting binary scenarios for discussion purposes. But only for discussion. That's how we ended up with TARP... IF WE DONT BAIL OUT THE BANKS THE COUNTRY WILL DIEEEEEE
@@william14able I agree. I'm saying that's a bullshit causal reason to make a decision like that, that if we don't it would be catastrophic without ever really knowing the counterfactual outcome, like destiny is claiming to
Externalities are outside phenomena like CO2 that have an effect on a process, like climate. Other externalities that affect climate are the sun, the clouds, the ocean currents, El Nino/La Nina, even other planets and their graviational pulls can affect us. This is why a focus on CO2 is not just w false diversion, it is ignorant and profoundly unscientific.
@@SkitzoBenjaminobjectively, regardless of your personal thoughts of him or ideology, he’s a bright guy. He’s better to be the front for the “left” vs the people debating until now. He’s no Michael Erik Dyson, who isn’t stupid either, but what communists called useful idiots.
@@GBsavant He's never said a single interesting thing in his entire life. I also doubt he's ever read an economics book. Everything he says comes off as someone who's never looked at economic history in his entire life.
@@williamanthony915 never mind, he’s lost his mind with the assassination stuff. I do think he’s not dumb and is able to have good convos but this recent thing has taken him to a dangerous place
I would disagree. Peterson interrupted him several times. And for some inexplicable reason Peterson keeps denying the science that experts in the field put forward.
Why are you putting down the man? Atleast he's brave enough and respected enough to have a proper debate with Jordan, whom even pointed out he had very high verbal comprehension. Be more respectful.
Every one of the last ten months has set a temperature record. Almost every year for the past ten years has set a temperature record. It is becoming just plain absurd to pretend this is just a coincidence!
It’s good to have a debate like this. Make me realize how leftist is full of nonsense snd merely based on their tyrannical ideology, fake compassion for the poor, and decieved by money and power. Science is not on their back!
It's clear to me after watching this interview, that Destiny has his mind set on a lot of this and he will not stray from what he's told by the mainstream. Thinking for himself is what he apparently does, so I'm quite confused.
Depends what you mean by the mainstream. The current "mainstream" is western governments backed by the best universities in the world. Do you honestly think JP or anyone else is more intelligent than all of those educational and government systems? These guys do it day in, day out. Unlike JP who has an interest and 7 different business ventures ongoing as well as tour. Im inclined to trust 99% of western universities and the consensus of western governments over Jordan and yourself. Jordans talking points and arguments pick holes, which are accurate and need to be considered. But right now this is the best we have. And we have to do something otherwise as a race we're going to experience the mass starvation of billions of people.
@@chrisdrakes2332 do i think he's more intelligent? no. I think he brings up really obvious points that are completely overlooked by a person who was sold a narrative and will not sway from it. A strong narrative that seems to be defended, even though it makes no sense.
@@Michaelno You're basically saying that the mainstreams narrative makes no sense. So you do disagree with western governments and universities consensus? Brave.
@@chrisdrakes2332 are you being sarcastic? i cannot tell. but i'll say this. i dont care about being brave. only pointing out the obvious. if you want to buy what this man is selling, that's fine. I disagree, i also think he's a hypocrite, and his opinion is pretty garbage.
@@chrisdrakes2332First off, appealing to authority is a terrible argument because authorities disagree and have infighting all the time. We wittnessed this not long ago with the pandemic. They literally silenced and shut down experts who stated things that were not part of the mainstream consensus...and then changed their position not to long after. JP has made more coherent arguments than any mainstream climate scientist or climate activist has ever said. That is why I believe him over others in this subject.
Canada produces around 1% of the world’s carbon emissions and we are being hit hard by the carbon tax. They don’t measure how much the carbon tax has made a difference. It’s crazy!
Canada produces, the last time I looked, 1.6% of global carbon emissions. However, with our Boreal forests and immense treed landscapes, we sequester carbon at 10 time the rate we produce it. So by that rate, the rest of the world should be paying us a carbon tax for all our country does....
But, yet Trud-o is increasing the carbon tax by 23% starting April 1 across Canada 🇨🇦. Yah, now! When Canadians are all facing increasing difficulties affording basic food and housing. Over 2,000,000 Canadians are using food banks every month now (our population is less than 40,000,000) and we are facing a major housing crisis. And Trud-o is increasing the tax on food, heating, and fuel... now! All under the guise of saving the planet. He's mind-blowingly stupid, inept and he's destroying Canada 😢
so, ignorance of scientific testing, using logical fallacy, falling prey to confirmation bias, and cherry-picking data points are considered "Good Debating" these days? Sad.
Why no mention of ice core samples?? Temps have been MUCH higher and MUCH lower multiple times over the past 100k+ years. Simple. We can all agree pollution is bad, and THAT should be the focus. NOT "climate change"
Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, it is plant food and in turn food for everything else too. It is naturally in the air and even now only in a trace amount of 400ppm or 0.04% It's worth noting that below 0.02% all plants die and all of us with them. The real issue is that now with carbon dioxide being labeled a pollutant then every single person on Earth is a small pollution factory. Well if your mandate is to reduce pollution the road to justifying, shall we say..."direct" population reduction become very much shorter than anyone wants to think.
The real danger is how much bisphenol A (BPA) there is. BPA has a direct relationship with lower male sperm count in all species, and complete infertility in some species (some sharks). There are no humans on planet earth that do not have a measurable quantity of BPA in their blood (even remote populations). We are more likely to go extinct from lack of kids then we are heat death.
publish a paper and let it be peer reviewed. apperantly you found the very obvious crux within the "climate narrative". if only more people had as clear an insight on the topic as you have damn we would already be living in a utopia.
One of the problems with his statement about record high temps the last 5 years is they are cherry picking the high temps, and ignoring the low temps! You must have a disinterested third party examining the highs and lows and not cherry picking to reinforce a narrative that they want to manipulate for their political power!
The other thing they do is conflate record high temps with the hot getting hotter rather than the cold getting milder as is really the case. That way they can get away with saying things like “hottest” January on record when it’s nothing of the sort
@@loringjohnson7797 Last year was one of our coolest on record, and the most moisture on record! Destertification use to be their scare tactic. f'in rubbish.
According to Noah, a seven day weather forecast is inaccurate 20% of the time. A 10 day forecast is an inaccurate 50% of the time. How many times have you personally experienced an inaccurate weather report the next day? How can they claim to predict whether 100 years from now and people actually believe that?
Averaged out, your day to day weather forecast is slightly better than flipping a coin. Besides, it's been declared by the 'experts' that meteorologists aren't 'experts'. Only theoretical physicists are experts on weather and climactic trends!
climatologist are no better at predicting future models. They said that the glaciers would be gone by the year 2000. But they are not. In 2013 Lake superior froze for the first time in decades. Just a few average days warmer doesn’t mean the world is coming to an end. I do not wish to debate nor to put anyone down. It’s just simple fact.
Excellent response. I totally agree with what you’re saying. To do those measurements there must be set parameters. And the accuracy of the outcome would depend on the set parameters. Weather is not like that. Weather is continually changing its parameters. One of the major shifts and weather throughout history has been caused by volcanic eruptions. Massive eruptions have actually plunged the temperatures into 18 months of winter like weather. This is happened twice in written history. Just a small release of volcanic ash and gases exceeded the amount of carbon that humans have produced in their entire existence. I totally concur with the fact that we do not have winters like we used to have when I was young. However, the changes that are proposed to be made to reduce carbon emissions are plunging people into poverty and food deprivation. I think certainly in the near future, we will find a fuel source that far exceeds oil in economic value and renewability. I think patience with vigorous research for new technology at this point, is the best option.
To be fair, as any climate "scientist" will tell you, climate is not the same as weather. If you compare it to the stock market, weather is like the daily reports where things go up and down, much more volatile in that scope, where climate would be the 10, 20, 30 year overall trend of the market, so it's not useful to equate the 2. Having said that, they are still wrong about their climate predictions because, unlike the markets where you are either going up or down, climate has many variables that are trending and they all influence each other. It's a FAR more complex problem.
@@ruan614 Absolutely correct. But also, your dice roll has parameters that can be measured. The options are 1-6. Trying to predict the chaotic nature of the climate future in 100 years is like setting the parameters at 1-b. We don't know what we don't know about the climate, we don't even know what we actually know. It's literally like trying to predict what a flowing river will look like 30 seconds from now down to the ripple; fluid dynamics. Cheers!
@@christophersnedekerThis guy read about the HAARP machine, some conspiracy theory from back when conspiracy theories were still fun and not so serious :P
First off, what in the fuck does one have to do with the other? Secondly, Is your tinfoil hat on a little too tight? Yes, there is such thing as Weather modification or manipulation. However, you're not only making it sound like what it's being used for is a bad thing, but also like you're somehow personally being affected by it. Which we both know is absolute bullshit. Now, historically, weather modification has been used in warfare as a tactic to provoke damaging weather against an enemy. However, weather modification in warfare has been banned by the united nations. Now, as far as what it's used for today. The most common type of weather modification today is cloud seeding, which is a unarguably helpful process that basically increases rainfall or snowfall which in turn helps to raise the local water level. So in the end, again, I don't even remotely see how any part of weather modification would or could play a factor in you caring about climate change. It's just straight up nonsensical. Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. I'd love to hear your explanation. Sincerely.
Well it’s a good thing you’re not in charge of the nation’s environmental and energy policies. I think I’d rather trust the opinions of 99% of the world’s climate scientists.
And the "context" is totally false, humanity is NOT the reason why the climate has changed (if it even has, it's very debatable). The climate has been very cold and also very warm throughout human history way way before the evil burning of fossil fuels/gas/whatever. People don't seem to realize just how little CO2 we actually have in our atmosphere.
@MorganLewis-lz1eeAssuming someone who doesn't hold a title in a particular field is incapable of understanding is not only absurdity, but an arrogant logical fallacy.
@MorganLewis-lz1ee Psychologists are TRAINED SCIENTISTS. What you learn in school is how to read academic papers, and the scientific methods of measurement and analysis. The use of science is in creating models of predictive capability. The better your model, the more you understand a study. Law of general relativity helps us predict the distances between ourselves and distant objects to such a high degree that we can map the patterns of solar eclipses and the precise path of the moon's shadow over a 5,000 year time-span, which corresponds EXACTLY with past historical events and writings that notated the phenomena. That's an accurate model. Not being able to predict the climate within ONE SINGLE YEAR, is a terrible model. We need stronger models of predictive capability before we can begin making the futures of every life on the planet dependent upon relying on them.
You can't assess climate impacts only from the beginning of the industrial revolution and think you're assessing anything about climate impact at all. If you're not looking at what happened before that as well (and for significant timeframes at that), then you're not even beginning to understand what is actually happening at all.@MorganLewis-lz1ee
@MorganLewis-lz1ee Ok, assess the climate impacts of the industrial revolution. Assert they're disastrous.. compared to what? The rest of the climactic timeline? Because that is demonstrably false.
10:51 He admits (confidently) that he starts the temperature-mesuring time frame with the beginning of industrial age... to prove that industrial age activities caused it. That means, "we don't want any control group data whatsoever." Guess he never heard of "correlation is not causation." The possibility that this 100-year industrial age is just part of the long-term fluctuation from ice age to warm age never comes to his mind.
Simply because he doesn't know about it, because he never bothered to learn anything beyond what the climate activists told him to believe, Destiny certainly cited their points like a well-trained parrot.
@@theartfuldodger8609that’s not his burden. It’s now the climate change chasers who are burdened with proving their causative framework. His point is the seemingly common sense choice as the industrial age as a lower bound is naive and has a low confidence.
There is no cheap energy. It seemed cheap for a while. We thought in our collective stupidity or our willful ignorance so to say ;) we can internalize profits from it, while externalizing costs to the environment. But it turned out that we can't, not in a long run at this scale. We've reached planetary boundaries.
"Hottest years on record" are a modelling and measurement error. Urban expansion into static measurement locations are showing the temperature increase related to the geographic growth and expansion of cities over the past century.
Its not an error. They are doing it on purpose. The weather stations are almost all poorly placed, and they adjust the well placed ones to be more like the poorly placed ones. Its deliberate. They have been caught repeatedly doctoring old data to make it fit their models better.
Brilliant! You should get into climate science and show them how to utterly embarrass yourself because you have no clue what you are talking about and they are experts.
How about speaking to the point instead of relying on ad hominem attacks. Can you provide evidence that the statistical base has been sufficiently adjusted to account for urban growth and the the concomitant growth of heat islands that encompass the measurement points? @@chrisdistant9040
cool, except it is in direct contradiction with the the continous warming and heat records we see to this day, and the unexpected developments all aroudn the world such as unexpected record glacier melting.
good grief, why is that relevant whatsoever? the planet also never had a species that grew to dominate and completely reshape the planet within 100 years of industrialization.
We are the only intelligent life we know to exist that is capable of space travel. Whilst the human race may be insignificant in terms of cosmological timescales, we are still something to be cherished. The universe can exist for billions and billions of years but if there is nothing there to explore and appreciate it then that is a great shame.
@@revorocks123 what is ur point? lol. space travel is completely irrelevant if earth cant solve its political and otherwise problems. it should be absolutely lowest on our agenda.
@@revorocks123 what is ur point? we arent even capable of fixing our own world, let alone find and inhabit another one. space travel should be the absolute lowest priority for a world that is in flames.
Indeed. And many of us hope our children will make that tiny speck into a dot, while others want their hedonistic lifestyles to continue, damned the future generations.
@@guttydozen Well ig we all studied Algebric mean in high school right, average temperature rise is similar a 1 or 2 degree rise in global average temperature means anomalies in local bio spheres, so some places might be facing crazy hot temperature and some on the other hands might be seeing sudden drop in temperature. Now u might ask why does it even matter, well for that understand if climate changes so rapidly all the existence process around food agriculture and bio diversity would undergo rapid changes that civilisation won't be about to adapt or evolve, hence might undergo complete extinction. Climate change is a common phenomenon for planets to undergo but with this much catalyst it would be hard to adapt accordingly. We can talk about nuances of it but ig Yt comments is not the place lol. Btw I don't understand why Peterson refuses to accept the major changes start happening after the industrialation like that's is so obvious plus backed up
@@gbear34 not true, forest fires dont happen spontainously in most cases. fire needs fuel, oxygen and a spark to ignite. so most forest fires get started by pyromaniacs (humans)
@@ShakeITyEA tell us why instead of just saying he's wrong buddy. He made some damn good points and Destiny replied with a bunch of logical fallacies lol
@@semperick really, destiny did a poor job and I dont care about this debate. but as far as climate change goes, Peterson simply ignores a large swathe of evidence. both co2 in the atmosphere and temperatures have been linked and can be traced back millions of years. temperatures reach record highs regularly for the past few years, but prior to industrialization, all temperature records hint that we were in a cooling period. there is also a conflict of interest with an organisation he himself created - its sponsored by fossil fuel investors and saudis. LMAO. if you want to know anything, ask a specific question.
@@semperick to add, Peterson also refused to aknowledge the "hockey stick", because it is getting "sued" or whatever. purely nonsensical take, several different organisations have done nearly identical measurements that look like a hockey stick when graphed.
I love how Destiny uses 5 years worth of cherry picked data as a basis for his arguments, but conveniently fails to acknowledge that a couple decades ago, scientist were telling us we would be living in a new ice age about now.
Scientists weren't telling anyone that. Some news outlets misconstrued scientific papers and told people that, which was not at all endorsed by scientists at the time.
@@william14ablehe did. Turn your brain on. He backed him into a corner at every turn. He tried to dodge questions by changing subjects or the focus and it didn’t work.
@@SammyFuqU referring back to your tautology isn't backing someone into a corner. lol. CO2 retains more heat. "How do you know? have you seen an atom? lol! I win." well. we can measure it. "But you can't measure it down to an acceptable level of precision!!!". Well. I mean, its close enough to make predictions on and model. "NO I don't agree that it's precise enough. We can't act on the models because they're based on imprecise measurements! See even you have to constantly update them when you get more measurements". Um. Okay? That is kind of how the scientific process works. I don't exactly know what you want. It's impossible to satisfy the constantly moving goal posts. "See! you're captured by the scientific cadre! You BELIEVE it to be true, which sounds an awful lot like a religiously held belief" Sounds good, but this isn't the sick burn you think it is.
No, he hysterically interrupted instead of listening calmly and giving thoughtful responses. Peterson is an emotional manchild who is probably experiencing brain damage from his benzo addiction and subsequent coma.
And yet while numbing his brain with benzos, he's still more educated, qualified, intelligent, and successful than you can be. Imagine thinking you know more than someone who not only has a doctorate in their field but also has done specific postdoc research into what you're talking about. LMAO @@jenniek8391
@@hamster4618I (a leftist) actually like Jordan as he has more original things to say. But I agree most conservatives just parrot whatever the Koch brothers pay Steven Crowder and PJW to say.
A few weeks ago, front page news articles in the UK, reported about the poor skiing conditions in the Alps, due to a lack of adequate snow cover - as a result of man-made climate change of course. But recently after huge snowfalls and fantastic skiing conditions....................... CRICKETS!
That's my favorite when it's unseasonably warm for a few weeks you hear people make those comments. I'm just thinking to my self I've heard that same comment every other year for my whole life. Maybe the seasons are always just different 🤔which is the absolute truth.
@@HouseParty13 Go look at the precipitous decline of arctic ice that has co-occured with carbon dioxide concentrations. It's not that hard to understand 🤣
I remember Obama running for office and he was very much on the side of worrying about climate change, now he has multiple mansions worth close to 50 million just for the houses right on the beach. Clearly he is not worried about sea levels raising and until that changes I'm not either.
Also a simple Google would show that the sea levels have been rising we've been measuring and its very linear. Let me ask you, what was our carbon output way back then? Why was the sea rising at about the same rate today when our carbon output is many orders of magnitude higher in recent years than it was back in the 1800s?
@@Michael-yx2un I do think its cute how your all "I know more then Obama does because of a simple google search" you know he had NASA working for him right? and the EPA as well and the lord only knows what else classified materials he had access too and after he left office he's so convinced that climate change is a nothing burger he literally lives right next to the ocean. But yeah believe google because they wouldn't lie to you now would they.
@@TheShannaginz If cigarettes were 2 bucks a pack do you think more or less people would smoke? I think we can agree fewer people smoke the higher the price gets and less kids start smoking if it cost more. That does not mean every person will stop or never start but it does mean many will stop. Smoking used to be 32% of the population and it decreased to 11% in recent years. It is a mix of price and marketing changes.
Really? Because he didn’t go into anything much. He pretended the hockey stick is the only model ever made. It’s not. He pretended the hockey stick guy was taken to court by the statistician. He was not. The hockey stick guy took the statistician to court for defamation. And the hockey stick guy won. Information on climate is known. Some 140,000 years, in Europe, there was an icecap all the way to the Netherlands. Sea levels were some 120 meters below the current levels. Shortly after temperatures rose, then a new ice age started which lasted some 100,000 years. Then 18,000 a rapid change to the warmer times we live in now started. And now we see a new rise, which (most) scientists researching it, acclaim to human activity. Could be, could not be. However, I wouldn’t be surprised as we impact EVERYTHING else. We see our impact in the oceans, with plastic soup littering the depths we can’t even reach, we can cause earthquakes, increase the effects of hurricanes, soil depletion, hole in ozone layer (now recovered), erosion, soil pollution and we’ve even managed to leave our trash in outer space.
In the jurrasic era there was around 8000 parts per million of atmospheric carbon dioxide, now there is around 400. As for record temperatures we started measuring at The end of "the small ice age" in the 1800's so of course there are "record tempratures" now. This stuff is dumb as fuck.
And even then, I've heard that there's a massive discrepancy between satellite data and temperature collection stations, where the collection stations are built in some of the hottest places on Earth and are extremely vulnerable to climactic swings, whereas the satellite data measure heat emitting from the earth shows an increase that is radically smaller.
@@HSuper_Lee bro they put some of The equipment in a volcanoe 😂 Also they started measuring at ground level instead of 2 metres above ground a few years ago. They admitted it on National tv recently. It is of course hotter on asphalt then 2 metres above... Its an obvious hoax. Gretas Thunbergs father, Svante Thunberg, works for the swedish deep state bankers who control power supply in 150+ countries, mineral mines and battery production 🥴 And her handle, who claims to have randomly found her protesting is her parents friend Ingemar Rentzhog.
@@PepsiFuture why do banks and rich people keep incesting in beach front property you think? Not a single private investmentbolag has taken any sea level rise into account. Plymouth rock is still at sea level, at The waters edge. And now they are finding settlements under The melting glaciers. All very strange 😂
On predicting outcomes 100 years in the future, we have an interesting benchmark. In 1900, a magazine asked a number of scientists and other experts to make predictions for the far off year of 2000. And they did. Their predictions were fascinating. Most of them were laughably far off. Occasionally, they'd get something sort of right, but kinda not. One of the most memorable was the prediction that wars of the future would be fought by gigantic balloons in the sky, which belched massive clouds of smoke to hide their position. They also predicted that we would be growing massively large fruits and vegetables, and that we'd distribute them from supermarkets to homes through a complex system of pneumatic tubes. As Yogi Berra said, "Predictions are hard, especially about the future."
A few weeks before the Wright brothers flew their plane the New York Times published an article saying that according to scientists it'll take humanity a million years to build flying machines.
The climate problem is absolutely an economic issue.. the economy at local and world level is directly impacted by people living in poverty.. its effects on health.. education..inability to contribute to a better society while in survival mode…and of course who can afford to line the pockets of the high street retailers when we are all deciding wether to “heat or eat”…and how anyone could agree with an environmental model 100 years into the future at this point in world history is madness.
The problem is there are too many of these high intellect type’s running around with no idea what they’re doing but they’ve convinced themselves through their own intelligence they are right.
@dwainmcbain5263 because you seem to have made a pretty decent study about these high intellect types like Peterson for example and your results seem to show that they have no idea what they are doing
@@davidwellmann4985 my results? 😆 I’m not referring to JP as he is clearly experienced with more than an idea. I get the feeling you’re just looking to rip on someone, glad I could help you out. Have a nice day.😃
You know I hear the same argument against Dr Peterson all the time. Give destiny a try, people always say he just talks fast and debates but maybe he actually is smart and he debates cause he wants to find the truth. I know watching his streams that he actively searches for the truth and it’s extraordinary how far he gets with that, further than academic historians like Finkelstein who’ve devoted their whole lives to a topic.
@@angelozachos8777 wanting to win an argument provides incentive to be on the right side of the argument. It’s precisely the reason why debate and argumentation is so crucial to our society, it’s the logos in action. Of course belief in principles is important but pure adherence to argumentation actually gets you very very far in the search for truth. Destiny’s fan base is the most diverse on the political spectrum I’ve ever seen, and I think that’s a consequence of alignment of his identity with the search for the truth rather than a particular set of beliefs. I haven’t seen someone that identifies with that search better than destiny and I’ve been a fan of both JBP and destiny for a long time.
@@poopstink2196 No it doesn't. It only creates the incentives to say want people believe not what is true. And this is want Destiny is doing right here
@@yalechuk6714 just because destiny disagrees with you on this particular topic doesn’t mean his beliefs are based on pandering. He is very pro Israel and has gotten tons and tons of flack for it. He argues what he believes to be true.
Green Energy? In what world are solar and wind power green energy? The machines that harness solar and wind produce barely enough useful energy return on energy invested to produce any energy at all.
In South Africa, the government fails to produce enough electricity for the entire country. Thus everyone takes turns using it in a process called "Loadshedding". Obviously people aren't happy with this and thus many people have invested in their own power production, the favoured being solar due to our agreeable weather year round. Over the past few years solar grew to account for about 6.2 gigawatts of power. In summary. Renewable energy now powers the equivalent of several power stations and is pretty much the sole reason our grid hasn't completely collapsed. So in other words, solar CAN and DOES produce enough energy not only to pay for itself but to help keep an entire electrical grid online when only used on the residential level.
I thought brush fires were a result of dryness, not air temperature…Death valley California is the hottest place on earth and there aren’t brush fires there. There were a shit ton of trees and plants in Iraq when I was there last year, 50 degrees Celsius, no brush fires
Okay you got me. I’ll listen to it. I’ve seen so many ads for this debate - and I have never heard of Destiny before lol. So I had to research him a little and I’m absolutely shocked he would be willing to go toe to toe with Peterson on anything.
13:37 It cuts off here, but JP's arguments against reducing CO2 included an increase in food insecurity, and stated that inhibiting fossil fuel use is making that worse. Isn't a big contributor here the extreme weather events (droughts, floods) that keep destroying crops? Olive oil prices have doubled in just a few years. How does using more fossil fuels solve this problem?
We have carbon capture machines, we have technology that cleans water, we have so much technology and technology in the future that isn't even invented yet. So I am very confident we will be okay no matter what.
We dont have to do anything different at all. The population WILL plummet, Using accurate genuine models, not wild guesses. This plummet means .......climate change is a blip.
Climate change as ‘debate’ as it is misses the mark entirely. It’s politics an and ideology. The true issue is adaptability. Climate changes, and the reasons do not matter. We can not control it. It’s foolish to think we can and it’s foolish to expect that it won’t ever change. All we can hope to do is as our ancestors did, which is adapt, use our large brains to continue thriving on this planet. You can’t tax your way to a stable climate that won’t ever change. If I learned one thing from covid, it’s that a good crisis is never lain to waste. There are those who use crisis, real or imagined, to further their power, goals and agendas. I fear this more than I do a change in climate.
Jordan Peterson doesn't believe in Climate Change, but Climate Change is 19th century science that was discovered and essentially proven in the 1960s. Most of the projections of climate scientists are starting to come true. His idea that a carbon tax will hit poor people too much is fair. But I think they don't want to tax poor people directly, they want to tax the companies that pollute more than might be needed. They're trying to direct companies to attempt to use more sustainable means of generating energy. And though JP might not like it, oil will get more and more expensive to mine and was never the most efficient form of energy available. The reason we use so much oil is not because it's some miracle energy source, it's simply because sooo many of our machines and energy infrastructure runs on it. When you take oil out of the ground, then transport and then burn it for energy you get only about a 10% netto energy increase. You waste 90% of the energy to get 100% of the oil. This will only get worse because oil needs to be dug up from deeper and deeper into the ground, which is both costly in terms of financial investment and energy. So Jordan Peterson's notion that transitioning away from fossil fuels is to the detriment of the poor because it will make energy more expensive is not realistic, it can actually make energy cheaper because far less energy has to be wasted to obtain the energy (through solar, wind, water, nuclear and biofuels). The main point that reaallly undercuts Jordan's argument is: Poor people are disproportionately affected by climate change, yet contribute the least to it. So there's this notion that the poor people somehow need climate change to live well... NO, rich people need the systems that have caused climate change far more than poor people and they can protect themselves the best from the consequences. The floods in Pakistan, the desertification in Africa, the massive forrest fires in poor rural areas all over the world. The richest people have contributed to these problems the most while suffering the least, except for their beachside mansions being swepped away in the next decades. So this sort of we're making poor people sacrifice more for climate adaptation and mitigation policy than they'll get out of it is wrong on every level. Poor people will be hurt the most by climate change, rich people and giant corporation will have to invest the most for climate policy. They're not worried about the poor people, they're worried about the margin of profits they'll be getting if they're forced to adapt.
The impact humans have had on the global climate has literally altered the time it will take for the next glacial period to kick in, we are actively shaping the future of the world. Without humans the climate would not be changing at the speed it's doing now. This is not up for debate, this is pure fact based science. I've researched this for multiple NGO's and for my Master's degree. Everyone agrees but it's simply not convenient for the Status Quo to tell the truth so they send footsoldiers like JP out to confuse you about the reality happening before your very eyes.
Instead of saying "Why not?" at the end there I would have liked to hear you say, "You're a lost cause with your stupid doodling! The things you endure! Thanks for this Clear definition of unhinged woke.
It's so funny when Destiny talks to anyone knowledgeable on a topic. This video is like a dad trying to teach his very small child what the world is like.
Well done, Dr. Peterson. I have never subscribed to the climate activist positions. You can find evidence of the earth cooling and warming in ice cores… I enjoyed this very much. Thank you.
The climate scientists warning about climate change are the same that discovered the past warming and cooling. The fact that climate has changed in the past doesn't change the fact that we have changed the climate with our emission. People who has never smoked a cigarette can get lung cancer, that doesn't prove cigarettes are safe.
Destiny clearly believes that talking faster and louder makes him right. But here is a simple question for him. If the increase of CO2 is driving up temperatures, why is it that the increases of CO2 always follow increases in temperature, not the other way around?
The melting of the ice sheets causes warming of ocean water in the southern hemisphere. Those waters then release CO2. You should find some more information on this if you look up CO2 lag.
"We've just had another hottest year on record" - Has anyone actually verified this i.e. how the data is collected, how temperatures are compared, and where these temperatures are being recorded?
Dang... Peterson is soooooo persuasive here. I almost believed him... until I read the disclaimer RUclips put on this video about climate change. That was close.
Great point
love this, good one
😂
I feel for you. I had a similar experience with Dr. John Campbell and the jab.
🤣 make sure we never think for ourselves
RUclips puts a note prominently under this video, making sure we know what we are "supposed" to think about the topic being discussed.
I'm on mobile and I can't see anything, is it on desktop?
@@yassinsuleiman655 Yes. It is the generic wikipedia note quoting UN about how climate change is real. They automatically slap these notes on any topic that the left politically disagrees with.
@@yassinsuleiman655, I'm on mobile also. For me there is a context bubble telling me what climate change is and an external link.
I see it on my Samsung. A very progressive take offered by Google on climate change. Thanks Google
Similar to Covid "info"
I'll start worrying about climate change when the elites who are telling me I should care stop flying in private planes to discuss how the rest of the world needs to suffer for the cause.
Maybe you shouldn't base your opinion on corrupt elites but on.the scientific conseneus
@@samvandervelden8243 whoosh?
@samvandervelden8243 like the scientific consensus paid for and feeding their families from the elites?
When it gets a couple degrees warmer I'll take a shirt off. When it gets colder I'll put a jacket on. There is no model or algorithm accurate enough to predict the future climate. More CO2 will result in more plant life at the worst.
There have always been natural disasters and always will be.
@@samvandervelden8243I will rely on the scientific consensus as they demonstrate by their behaviour.
@@samvandervelden8243his point is like it won’t make a difference if you pick up one leaf off of your lawn everyday if a big dump truck comes by and unloads a whole truck full of leaves on your lawn everyday. Your attempts will be futile. Another thing is the US only contributes 15% to CO2 emissions and China is almost double that. You need to start with the biggest monster before fixing the little monsters will make any bit of a difference. But besides, none of it really matters, there will always be pollution. The best thing for people is to develop economically, not try to solve “climate change”.
South Australia has tried to prove to the world a state can run 100% on renewable energy. We have the highest energy prices in the world, we had state wide blackouts for 2 days, we have rolling blackouts in the city every night, rural areas can be without power for days at a time, industry is leaving the state because their energy bills are through the roof. We have an abundance of natural resources that we mine and ship overseas, but no way would we do anything to reduce the prices for the state population. We also buy a lot of our energy from other states. It's gone beyond a joke and is just plain corruption now.
Not being ready for 100% renewable is not the same as "climate is not affected by humans"
You have been mislead. Sorry.
All the east coast states are part of the grid. All states buy and sell based on how much they are currently producing and need. Blackouts would have been for another reason. Probably underfunding of transmission maintenance.
@@paulg6274theres no 100% renewables energy.
Just bc it didn’t work for you doesn’t mean that with funding and development it can’t be improved to work as intended right?
This couldn’t be further from the truth. Solar energy is SO productive that it creates a duck curve. This is a real problem as over generation causes severe strain on the grid.
The real issue here is that Destiny thinks he's about 3x smarter than he really is.
3x if we are being conservative
He is one of the people who presumed that his ability to speak means that he is capable of thinking.
He can remember talking points better than other leftists. That's it
Bro just doodling what is probably stick figures on his notepad makes this 10x funnier
I’ve never understood these kind of comments.
I mean you’re free to say what you want but why not find points you disagree with or flaws in his case to address instead, is it that you couldn’t find any?
I used to see liberals do this type of stuff a lot but seems like conservatives don’t do any better lol.
Well, regardless of who "won" im just glad that Jordan is having more black women on his podcast with videos like this one. Great inclusion!
😂😂😂😂
Needed that. Didn't deserve it, but needed it.
Hahahaha!!!
That meme will be be passed around more times than his wife...
@nezahuatez awwww poor baby, did that joke hurt you wittle feelings lol. 😅
"something weird underneath, something weird that isn't oriented well towards humanity"
they know like everyone else the planet is over populated and they have no problem getting rid of a few million of the poorest people as long as the rich have their way
Control of Humanity.
The devil
Word!
Correct.
Talk about being out gunned. This is like attacking a battleship with a paintball gun.
Yeah, Peterson flailed and hollered against literal science.
It's like I feel like totally like literal😂
@@jenniek8391what science? You mean the computer models which leave out the sun and the clouds? Did you even go to grade school?
@@jenniek8391 Yeah, that literal science that involves running climate simulations on a flat earth. That science that needs a CO2 "control knob" to get the results they want.
@@HomeCinemaJunkie which models would that be? lmao. there have been dozens of models and predictions over the years.
they have come either true or things turned out even worse than predicted because the models were very conservative.
maybe it's time you stop denying globally established science.
They are increasing the carbon tax here in Canada by 20% on April 1st.
Thats not a joke.
cry about it
@@opensocietyenjoyerwhat will that accomplish?
Oh how exciting, that's exactly when we get our new hate crime bill here in Scotland, also not a joke 😑
@@zororat heeey, twinsies! we also just got another one here in canada.
HEY!... it's actually 23%.
And on the same day, the 338 MPs are getting a 4% pay raise. $8000-$12,000 a year for their $200,000 annual paycheques, and a hefty $16,000 increase for the prime minister.
What is the point of debating people if their goal is simply to win the debate, and not bring us closer to solving the problem or finding the truth?
For Show
He is cocky as fuck to
You reveal their techniques and expose who they are.
Because RUclips is full of people that will merely repackage ideas that they have heard/read and present them to their audience, without spending any time whatsoever scrutinizing these ideas in the first place before presenting them. There's a difference between taking apart an idea and trying to understand it, versus regurgitating it and acting as if you understand it. The person that does the latter will typically be exposed when they are asked to defend the idea against someone who has actually spent time analyzing it.
you as a consumer may better decide wich opinion is more likely to you
Who are you talking about here?
Destiny in trouble with the Principal
Truly a productive and decent debate. Proud of both of these dudes!
Ya shame she is a little lost hey ( he is a female in spirit)
Destiny in trouble with the truth and completely over matched yet still impossible to listen too.
@@chuch541how can you be proud of someone who says Fed up things like “saving the poor isn’t worth it” and “abortion up until birth is okay”?
@@LowkeyHundo
Talk about being dishonest and in bad faith.
Destiny's point are:
Not every poor is a good person who deserves help. Poverty itself is not a virtue, there is a lot of bad poor people.
He is fine with abortion in the first 2 weeks. Very different from "until birth"
A sin tax is dramatically different than an energy tax… a sin tax is on something you don’t need while an energy tax is on something you need not want but need to live
Yea, but leftists see energy use as sin.
oh buddy, it's for sure a sin tax. The government is punishing people for using energy because they believe it is "bad".
@@Kyle-sr6jmit's related to the story of Genesis. Earth was a garden of Eden with a perfect climate always. Then you know who(str8 white male patriarchy).....
@@Kyle-sr6jmsource I made it up in my head
@@HouseParty13 the father of all man?
This is a master class in not letting someone wriggle out of an incorrect position.
Here tries to pivot everyone he talks and Jordan won’t let him out
This is a master class on Gell-Mann
You think Jordan saying that we can’t prove the carbon dioxide is from the Industrial Revolution is somehow winning then I doubt your ability to follow
Jordan did a terrible job, just interrupting and failing to grasp the points being made. Happens when you get too emotional to use reason 😂
@@emalek8290 Hey, commie. gotta try harder to not get detected.
Peterson can't even define what climate change is without producing a word salad.
I remember being young and joking with friends that one day if they could they would charge us for the air we breath. Well here we are, what a joke this world has become.
except they are going to charge us for the air we exhale!
@@More_DreadThat's part of breathing.
@@ty194 probably extension of a family joke, hold our breath so you don't cause climate change. The typical mockery to the psychopaths forcing this down our throat.
What?? You are grossly exaggerating reality to fit your conspiratorial narrative. 🤦🏻♂️
@@Bonzeaux_Bleuxgrene its called: a joke!
I love the RUclips climate change link under the video. F RUclips!!!!
I merely see a definition of The expression Climate change. Which is good because many people get confused about what separates environmental issues and Climate issues for example.
It’s just a link to Wikipedia chill out
You mean F the CIA
@@Chris-ro7mnoh so mind control through propaganda
@@bobmyself8819 there is plenty of that but this aint it.
That point Dr Peterson raised at the end of this clip about faux compassion and elites planning out of "anti dystopian future was beautifully put.
Clear as day. If they wanted to really reduce CO2 they would plant forests, but instead they’re making us sniff our farts.
Yeah... If your IQ is sub 60
There’s people that know what they know and always know there’s a chance they may be wrong. Then there’s people that believe they know and they can’t possibly be wrong.
so you deny nasa's climate data?
@@MikeAIrightwell yeah. When nasa stop launching rockets and politicians and elites all over the world stop travelling in private jets and lower there carbon emissions then il start to believe
@@MikeAIright what is the predictive power of this data?
@MikeAIright Appeal to authority. Wtf are you listening to nasa about climate? They build rockets, they are not the authority on climate..
@@MikeAIrightyes…the numbers are cooked…I’d like to point out, that we can’t tax our way to carbon zero.. people have to die before that’s a reality
Please keep setting the Climate hysteria crazies straight, Dr. Peterson!!
dr "we have no idea where the carbon is from" peterson is not doing that, unfortunately.
we know precisely where the carbon is from.
@@ShakeITyEAwho says carbon is the sole issue?
@@demun6065 not me, so what are you on about? carbon dioxide is not the sole issue, but it is the MOST PROMINENT greenhouse gas and the MAIN contributor to warming due to greenhouse effect.
@@ShakeITyEA the earth is now 20% greener than in the 70s. The us attacked the nord stream pipeline releasing the most amount of methane ever recorded. All of it is lies.
Man argues that secret elites want to kill poor because like Hitler they have lost the plot. JP is deeply unserious man. Like lets compare: Hitler wanted to make Germany most powerfull contry in the world, but ended with Germany in ruins because his army was not strong enough. ????? wanted to ??????, but is about to fail because ??????, and now poor are dying. Truly masterfull analyss of the world.
I am in complete and utter shock that destiny is not hosting The View.
This guy literally is a walking Wikipedia..ask him to recite something that's his go to everytime😂😂
He’s too good looking.
@@cleanup8984 can you name a single thing he’s ever taken from Wikipedia? 🤣 people love to say this, but it isn’t true. You hear of something, type it in a search engine, look through the wiki to get an overview, and then go find sources and further information elsewhere on what’s summarized on. He has hundreds of hours of streams of him just reading sources. He’s reading a book out loud, reading a UN report, reading investigations, peer reviewed papers, interviews, so on and so forth… I’m curious as to whether the right wingers have anything other than memes. Trump brain rot at its finest, just make funny quips and destroy the world in the process.
he's bad but he's not THAT bad.
@@cwx8 Turns out he's not THAT bad. He's MUCH worse!
The sudden increase in temperature is also massively.impactes by the measurement. There are very few monitoring atations not effected by urban development.
Exactly and even then it’s a very small amount. The funniest thing is our climate has been relatively stable over the last century. It would be mega funny if we ran into another mini ice age
We could due to mass disruption from poles fliping or weak magnetosphere + solar flairs @@Stanley_Baby
Rationality vs. the Church of Climatology. Let's say that humanity is even partially responsible, the cost to "ameliorate" humanity's supposed involvement in the change is far greater than the cost to acclimate to the change.
Source for this?
@@matthewdoran3448Burdern of proof dwells with the accuser.
@@chuckliquor3663that’s how burden of proof works, true, smart.
Yes, it will be much cheaper to relocate all our coastal cities and build large green houses for all of our farming, and to desalinate water instead of just getting it from rivers. Smart, genius.
@@chrisdistant9040
Name one city that is underwater in the world that 40 years ago said the ice caps were melting and ocean rising.
We are at the top of the 90-year Gleissberg solar cycle! We are having the same hot, dry weather as they had during the last two peaks in 1847 and 1936.
Thank you; someone who acknowledges the elephant in the room.
So 2025 gonna be a hot year then 🤔
Exactly! I wish I could thumbs up twice
Whatever happened to that ice bridge connecting Russia & Alaska? I guess the ancient inuits were driving too many sports cars and flying too many planes in 10 000 BCE.
Hhmmm, can you post some evidence for this as everywhere i look it does not show this at all?
One notepad has genius level thought…the other has doodles on it.
God damn good fucking joke brother
😂😂😂
Yeah. Destiny’s notepad has the genius level thoughts on it and Peterson’s has the doodles on it. The reason is that Peterson is smart enough to remember everything destiny says without needing to take notes. And destiny needs to take notes of what Peterson says because he’s not used to hearing arguments that are way better than the greatest thought he’s ever had.
@@Philibuster92 I was gonna put something like that to, but never mind.
@@Philibuster92😂😂😂😂
Destiny didn’t understand anything Jordan said.
He did, that's why he got quiet during the last few minutes
It was verbal diarrhea at the end and scientific illiteracy.
wow what a world u live in 😂
@@rossmanmagnusimagine unironically being a destiny fan. So embarrassing.
@@CancelHappiness ikr wish i was a peterson fan. his verbal flatulence would sound so profound
And "Destiny" doesn't even care about what Dr. Peterson is saying..... He's not even paying any real attention!
He's just a regurgitating tool of Leftist and MSM talking points. Just a dopey "replay" device.
Why do you believe that? Was there any argument where he was giving time to respond but didn't?
@@Wate watch his face and body language. He seems annoyed that Dr. Peterson is providing logical reasons to question his perspective.
@@Wate Just count the number of interruptions.
@@Wate Destiny's key contention about JBP's criticism of climate model validity was based on time-span, when he brought up the cancer argument, COMPLETELY missing the entire point that JBP was making that the lack of overview in time scale, since the life and heat cycles of a planet vastly outmeasures a person's. Destiny's analogy was EXACTLY demonstrating a lack of understanding about JBP's comparisons over the vast time of the planet's life.
Few people can take on Jordan, but this guy is definitely not equipped.
This guy would destroy you in a debate. He’s extremely smart and a good debater. He may be supporting arguments that are not correct, but don’t dismiss his integrity or intelligence. He’s not an ideologue. He will end up on the right side one day and we will be glad he is
the old man screaming over vaccines doesn’t seem that equipped either, idk what happened to him I swear he was smart before that huge break
@@jebalitabb8228exactly. I agree with his positions but man, all he did here was cut off the other guy every 2 seconds like wtf it’s not even a debate at that point.
I have a really hard time with Peterson even though I agree with most of his views
@@jakeh2049 because the guy speaks too fast and jumps from one point to the next before anyone is able to hold him responsable for what he just said.
@@Elias2293 okay but he doesn’t hold him responsible for anything so what’s the point in cutting him off? Just let him ramble surely he will look like a fool right
This guy trying to debate Jordan is like a child attempting to debate the parent on the reasoning he/she believes having cupcakes for dinner is reasonable.
Climate change is science. Jordan Peterson hates science (and poor people)
thank you for that reminder -
i knew there was something familiar with that knucklehead's behavior -
i had 7 kids
and now you know, how i know, that you know what you are talking about
( i just looked at your yewspewed tag -> )
and now i know that you were referring to my commentary style, when you gave yourself that tag name
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i can give you an example ( this was a real life event - it is not fabrication ) :
parent -> have you ever heard of blank blank or blah blah ?
child -> i don't know - i just don' t know - i might have heard it while i was doing something else and i didn't know i heard it - so the answer is i don't know if i heard it before ...
sounds like a case of GA DA FW syndrome - think of state name - judicial system official - first and last initials
Only morons think this, based on pre-existing prejudice and preconceived notions of someone.
Why is having cupcakes for dinner not reasonable?
destiny is to young. give him till he 40 then he will have some interesting takes.
Usually not a fan of Peterson talking over his guests, but very thankful for it this time!!
All those notes Destiny took… you would think he’d be open to actually learning something.
idk if he writes notes or just draws to calm down, i think i saw him draw shapes during the lex and shapiro podcast
@@CHIM3RA. maybe true but more a comment on his general disposition.. even arguing vehemently against left-wing liberal principles after purporting to be guided by compassion for the oppressed.
@ipredictariot6371 forgot to add that I agree 100% cause Destiny solely debates to "WIN" even though discussions like this aren't as simple a topic where one sides arguments claims victory.
I'm with JP.
@@CHIM3RA. I didn’t answer your comment very well. Very good observations… yes, I recall JP saying something towards the end about the pitfalls of getting caught up in falsehoods. I think a sort of qualified reference to the conceded acknowledgment that he’s “sharp”.
Destiny bolsters his arguments after a debate, he does not generally change his mind or analyze his philosophy/principles for inconsistencies. When he debated Sean Fitzgerald, he didn't know the academic origins, development cycle, and current practice of Critical Race Theory, and still tried to debate about it with him, so he got his ass destroyed. In later videos, he specifically mentions these things when talking about Critical Race Theory, and tried to argue that they were at WORST a moral nullification because they could supply good things like perspective, etc. Completely invalidating that they are not critical thinking processes and focusing on their producing results that he agrees with.
Jordan Peterson: "you can't model climate systems or economic systems to the degree these policies require."
Destiny: "let's assume you can model climate systems and economic systems to the degree these policies require [so I can make the point I want to make]."
Yeah, I was like, how about lets not assume that!😂😂
@@timliu6870 there is not some threshold at which a model is deemed accurate enough to make predictions off of. Just because you don't know or understand the model does not make it useful.
I mean, I agree it's impossible to model, but still worth noting binary scenarios for discussion purposes. But only for discussion. That's how we ended up with TARP... IF WE DONT BAIL OUT THE BANKS THE COUNTRY WILL DIEEEEEE
@@rolandheinze7182 Business was on the same side in the climate change debate and TARP. this time you're siding with big business.
@@william14able I agree. I'm saying that's a bullshit causal reason to make a decision like that, that if we don't it would be catastrophic without ever really knowing the counterfactual outcome, like destiny is claiming to
Destiny thinking, "What does "externalities" mean?"
Externalities might seem like a big word but a lot of people know what that means and I can assure you destiny definitely does….did you?
Externalities are outside phenomena like CO2 that have an effect on a process, like climate. Other externalities that affect climate are the sun, the clouds, the ocean currents, El Nino/La Nina, even other planets and their graviational pulls can affect us. This is why a focus on CO2 is not just w false diversion, it is ignorant and profoundly unscientific.
@@bonnieberesford9800 says who? You know that everyone can see that you are just repeating Peterson verbatim as if it were your own opinion right?
you clearly didn't listen to the full debate
Climate change denial = Flat Earth, same IQ required to believe both
I enjoy Jordan Peterson I will also say that’s a bright young man and these are the kind of discussions that need to happen. Very important
Not a bright young man, you should look into him. You will be very disappointed.
@@SkitzoBenjaminobjectively, regardless of your personal thoughts of him or ideology, he’s a bright guy. He’s better to be the front for the “left” vs the people debating until now. He’s no Michael Erik Dyson, who isn’t stupid either, but what communists called useful idiots.
@@GBsavant He's never said a single interesting thing in his entire life. I also doubt he's ever read an economics book. Everything he says comes off as someone who's never looked at economic history in his entire life.
@@williamanthony915 never mind, he’s lost his mind with the assassination stuff. I do think he’s not dumb and is able to have good convos but this recent thing has taken him to a dangerous place
Destiny isn't stupid, but he's a selfish sociopath who laughed about a firefighter who died protecting his wife and children.
The Greatest Canadian EVER , J.B.P. How he " suffers fools " is beyond me .
Agreed.
More views … More moolah 💰
JP is an unapologetic capitalist - his partnership with The Daily Wire speaks volumes on that 😂
@@angelozachos8777.. you may dislike capitalism, but it’s better than any other economic model, Poindexter
@@angelozachos8777Ya , so what .
@@angelozachos8777 what should people be motivated by? Especially if he believes in what he is doing at the same time?
Why does anyone (including Destiny ) thinks Destiny has anything useful to say? He comes across as a smug narcissist.
Always trying to win instead of searching for the truth..
Because he can talk faster than 99% of people.
@glennjohn3919 same argument tactic as Ben shapiro. Very annoying.
because he is considered a moderate liberal compared to the liberal whack-jobs out there
I would disagree. Peterson interrupted him several times. And for some inexplicable reason Peterson keeps denying the science that experts in the field put forward.
Density.
Perfect.
😂😂 love this
He is at least sitting down. That is big
Why are you putting down the man? Atleast he's brave enough and respected enough to have a proper debate with Jordan, whom even pointed out he had very high verbal comprehension.
Be more respectful.
Facts haha
Every one of the last ten months has set a temperature record. Almost every year for the past ten years has set a temperature record. It is becoming just plain absurd to pretend this is just a coincidence!
Why are people giving this dude a platform... a grown man who calls himself destiny and loves Biden 🤡🤡🤡🤡
It’s good to have a debate like this. Make me realize how leftist is full of nonsense snd merely based on their tyrannical ideology, fake compassion for the poor, and decieved by money and power. Science is not on their back!
I find it weird, too. I guess getting enough traffic will get anyone a platform.
It’s mostly teenagers
@@PepsiFuture That just makes it worse.
He gave himself a woman's name.
It's clear to me after watching this interview, that Destiny has his mind set on a lot of this and he will not stray from what he's told by the mainstream. Thinking for himself is what he apparently does, so I'm quite confused.
Depends what you mean by the mainstream. The current "mainstream" is western governments backed by the best universities in the world. Do you honestly think JP or anyone else is more intelligent than all of those educational and government systems? These guys do it day in, day out. Unlike JP who has an interest and 7 different business ventures ongoing as well as tour.
Im inclined to trust 99% of western universities and the consensus of western governments over Jordan and yourself.
Jordans talking points and arguments pick holes, which are accurate and need to be considered. But right now this is the best we have. And we have to do something otherwise as a race we're going to experience the mass starvation of billions of people.
@@chrisdrakes2332 do i think he's more intelligent? no. I think he brings up really obvious points that are completely overlooked by a person who was sold a narrative and will not sway from it. A strong narrative that seems to be defended, even though it makes no sense.
@@Michaelno You're basically saying that the mainstreams narrative makes no sense. So you do disagree with western governments and universities consensus? Brave.
@@chrisdrakes2332 are you being sarcastic? i cannot tell. but i'll say this. i dont care about being brave. only pointing out the obvious. if you want to buy what this man is selling, that's fine. I disagree, i also think he's a hypocrite, and his opinion is pretty garbage.
@@chrisdrakes2332First off, appealing to authority is a terrible argument because authorities disagree and have infighting all the time. We wittnessed this not long ago with the pandemic. They literally silenced and shut down experts who stated things that were not part of the mainstream consensus...and then changed their position not to long after.
JP has made more coherent arguments than any mainstream climate scientist or climate activist has ever said. That is why I believe him over others in this subject.
Canada produces around 1% of the world’s carbon emissions and we are being hit hard by the carbon tax. They don’t measure how much the carbon tax has made a difference. It’s crazy!
Canada produces, the last time I looked, 1.6% of global carbon emissions. However, with our Boreal forests and immense treed landscapes, we sequester carbon at 10 time the rate we produce it. So by that rate, the rest of the world should be paying us a carbon tax for all our country does....
@@rickdelve also if our government did everything they could it would have no impact.
But, yet Trud-o is increasing the carbon tax by 23% starting April 1 across Canada 🇨🇦. Yah, now! When Canadians are all facing increasing difficulties affording basic food and housing. Over 2,000,000 Canadians are using food banks every month now (our population is less than 40,000,000) and we are facing a major housing crisis. And Trud-o is increasing the tax on food, heating, and fuel... now! All under the guise of saving the planet. He's mind-blowingly stupid, inept and he's destroying Canada 😢
and we are 0.5% of the world's population.
@@zoravursingh5617we are being screwed by our leaders. We have so much resources but we are paying up the ass.
so, ignorance of scientific testing, using logical fallacy, falling prey to confirmation bias, and cherry-picking data points are considered "Good Debating" these days? Sad.
You dont need scientifically testing for everything.
Why no mention of ice core samples??
Temps have been MUCH higher and MUCH lower multiple times over the past 100k+ years.
Simple.
We can all agree pollution is bad, and THAT should be the focus. NOT "climate change"
Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, it is plant food and in turn food for everything else too. It is naturally in the air and even now only in a trace amount of 400ppm or 0.04% It's worth noting that below 0.02% all plants die and all of us with them.
The real issue is that now with carbon dioxide being labeled a pollutant then every single person on Earth is a small pollution factory. Well if your mandate is to reduce pollution the road to justifying, shall we say..."direct" population reduction become very much shorter than anyone wants to think.
@@WoWisdeadtome I never said CO2 was a pollutant.
The real danger is how much bisphenol A (BPA) there is. BPA has a direct relationship with lower male sperm count in all species, and complete infertility in some species (some sharks). There are no humans on planet earth that do not have a measurable quantity of BPA in their blood (even remote populations).
We are more likely to go extinct from lack of kids then we are heat death.
@@WoWisdeadtome You can go way further than that, We can calculate how much forcing it is causing. It is not relevant even if we go to 800ppm.
publish a paper and let it be peer reviewed.
apperantly you found the very obvious crux within the "climate narrative".
if only more people had as clear an insight on the topic as you have damn we would already be living in a utopia.
One of the problems with his statement about record high temps the last 5 years is they are cherry picking the high temps, and ignoring the low temps! You must have a disinterested third party examining the highs and lows and not cherry picking to reinforce a narrative that they want to manipulate for their political power!
Funny that the temperatures last summer were "record highs" and
yet I used my air conditioner less than I had in the last 15 years.
The other thing they do is conflate record high temps with the hot getting hotter rather than the cold getting milder as is really the case. That way they can get away with saying things like “hottest” January on record when it’s nothing of the sort
There is no such thing as an "average global temperature"...
@craighoward7716 I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know - how/in what way are they cherry picking high temps?
@@loringjohnson7797 Last year was one of our coolest on record, and the most moisture on record! Destertification use to be their scare tactic. f'in rubbish.
According to Noah, a seven day weather forecast is inaccurate 20% of the time. A 10 day forecast is an inaccurate 50% of the time. How many times have you personally experienced an inaccurate weather report the next day? How can they claim to predict whether 100 years from now and people actually believe that?
Averaged out, your day to day weather forecast is slightly better than flipping a coin. Besides, it's been declared by the 'experts' that meteorologists aren't 'experts'. Only theoretical physicists are experts on weather and climactic trends!
climatologist are no better at predicting future models. They said that the glaciers would be gone by the year 2000. But they are not. In 2013 Lake superior froze for the first time in decades. Just a few average days warmer doesn’t mean the world is coming to an end. I do not wish to debate nor to put anyone down. It’s just simple fact.
Excellent response. I totally agree with what you’re saying. To do those measurements there must be set parameters. And the accuracy of the outcome would depend on the set parameters. Weather is not like that. Weather is continually changing its parameters. One of the major shifts and weather throughout history has been caused by volcanic eruptions. Massive eruptions have actually plunged the temperatures into 18 months of winter like weather. This is happened twice in written history. Just a small release of volcanic ash and gases exceeded the amount of carbon that humans have produced in their entire existence. I totally concur with the fact that we do not have winters like we used to have when I was young. However, the changes that are proposed to be made to reduce carbon emissions are plunging people into poverty and food deprivation. I think certainly in the near future, we will find a fuel source that far exceeds oil in economic value and renewability. I think patience with vigorous research for new technology at this point, is the best option.
To be fair, as any climate "scientist" will tell you, climate is not the same as weather.
If you compare it to the stock market, weather is like the daily reports where things go up and down, much more volatile in that scope, where climate would be the 10, 20, 30 year overall trend of the market, so it's not useful to equate the 2.
Having said that, they are still wrong about their climate predictions because, unlike the markets where you are either going up or down, climate has many variables that are trending and they all influence each other. It's a FAR more complex problem.
@@ruan614 Absolutely correct. But also, your dice roll has parameters that can be measured. The options are 1-6. Trying to predict the chaotic nature of the climate future in 100 years is like setting the parameters at 1-b. We don't know what we don't know about the climate, we don't even know what we actually know. It's literally like trying to predict what a flowing river will look like 30 seconds from now down to the ripple; fluid dynamics.
Cheers!
I'll start caring about climate change when we stop all the weather manipulation that we are doing on a daily basis all over the country.
What?
@@christophersnedekerThis guy read about the HAARP machine, some conspiracy theory from back when conspiracy theories were still fun and not so serious :P
First off, what in the fuck does one have to do with the other? Secondly, Is your tinfoil hat on a little too tight? Yes, there is such thing as Weather modification or manipulation. However, you're not only making it sound like what it's being used for is a bad thing, but also like you're somehow personally being affected by it. Which we both know is absolute bullshit. Now, historically, weather modification has been used in warfare as a tactic to provoke damaging weather against an enemy. However, weather modification in warfare has been banned by the united nations. Now, as far as what it's used for today. The most common type of weather modification today is cloud seeding, which is a unarguably helpful process that basically increases rainfall or snowfall which in turn helps to raise the local water level. So in the end, again, I don't even remotely see how any part of weather modification would or could play a factor in you caring about climate change. It's just straight up nonsensical. Again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. I'd love to hear your explanation. Sincerely.
Well it’s a good thing you’re not in charge of the nation’s environmental and energy policies. I think I’d rather trust the opinions of 99% of the world’s climate scientists.
@@CotyDinsen what chemicals do they use to seed clouds? What application is used to apply those chemicals?
when youtube tells me “context” i know that it’s important that the truth is whatever the opposite of the youtubes context is
And the "context" is totally false, humanity is NOT the reason why the climate has changed (if it even has, it's very debatable). The climate has been very cold and also very warm throughout human history way way before the evil burning of fossil fuels/gas/whatever. People don't seem to realize just how little CO2 we actually have in our atmosphere.
JP won hands down. The other guy was all over the place with his 'argument'.
@MorganLewis-lz1eeI'm sorry, but this assertion is absurdity.
@MorganLewis-lz1eeAssuming someone who doesn't hold a title in a particular field is incapable of understanding is not only absurdity, but an arrogant logical fallacy.
@MorganLewis-lz1ee Psychologists are TRAINED SCIENTISTS. What you learn in school is how to read academic papers, and the scientific methods of measurement and analysis. The use of science is in creating models of predictive capability. The better your model, the more you understand a study. Law of general relativity helps us predict the distances between ourselves and distant objects to such a high degree that we can map the patterns of solar eclipses and the precise path of the moon's shadow over a 5,000 year time-span, which corresponds EXACTLY with past historical events and writings that notated the phenomena. That's an accurate model. Not being able to predict the climate within ONE SINGLE YEAR, is a terrible model. We need stronger models of predictive capability before we can begin making the futures of every life on the planet dependent upon relying on them.
You can't assess climate impacts only from the beginning of the industrial revolution and think you're assessing anything about climate impact at all. If you're not looking at what happened before that as well (and for significant timeframes at that), then you're not even beginning to understand what is actually happening at all.@MorganLewis-lz1ee
@MorganLewis-lz1ee Ok, assess the climate impacts of the industrial revolution. Assert they're disastrous.. compared to what? The rest of the climactic timeline? Because that is demonstrably false.
This note is a sickening reminder of how far we’ve fallen
Jordan’s arguments are always precise and compelling!!
Are they really? At University we are taught the importance of being concise. I don't think Jordan understands that concept.
That is what so dangerus
@@theovertaker40he doesent
10:51 He admits (confidently) that he starts the temperature-mesuring time frame with the beginning of industrial age... to prove that industrial age activities caused it. That means, "we don't want any control group data whatsoever." Guess he never heard of "correlation is not causation." The possibility that this 100-year industrial age is just part of the long-term fluctuation from ice age to warm age never comes to his mind.
So hilariously true.
Simply because he doesn't know about it, because he never bothered to learn anything beyond what the climate activists told him to believe, Destiny certainly cited their points like a well-trained parrot.
Can you disprove the greenhouse effect on Earth's atmosphere that industrialization had though?
@@theartfuldodger8609that’s not his burden. It’s now the climate change chasers who are burdened with proving their causative framework. His point is the seemingly common sense choice as the industrial age as a lower bound is naive and has a low confidence.
@@theartfuldodger8609 . . .that's a fallacy, as you can't prove any of the effects.
Hahahah Jordan completely exposed this dude.
You can tell who leads their life in the spirit of Truth. It is abundantly clear
@@1stdebunker absolutely, you can tell who has their feet on the ground and who doesn’t. Cool icon pfp btw.
@@legendman97 Thank You, it's Saint Ambrose of Milan. I pray to never bring disgrace to his image with my speech. Hope you're well, much Love ❤️
@@1stdebunker based St. Ambrose!
At least Destiny had the nads to show up. Plenty would instead just write some passive aggressive article making hollow digs at Peterson instead.
God bless you Dr. Peterson!
There is no cheap energy. It seemed cheap for a while. We thought in our collective stupidity or our willful ignorance so to say ;) we can internalize profits from it, while externalizing costs to the environment. But it turned out that we can't, not in a long run at this scale. We've reached planetary boundaries.
Get em Doc 😆
they both say their sides ,
Intensity is a necessity in conversation and it’s special to see even through a third perspective
well he's not a doctor
@@opensocietyenjoyerhow stupid are you?
"Hottest years on record" are a modelling and measurement error. Urban expansion into static measurement locations are showing the temperature increase related to the geographic growth and expansion of cities over the past century.
100%
Its not an error. They are doing it on purpose. The weather stations are almost all poorly placed, and they adjust the well placed ones to be more like the poorly placed ones. Its deliberate. They have been caught repeatedly doctoring old data to make it fit their models better.
Brilliant! You should get into climate science and show them how to utterly embarrass yourself because you have no clue what you are talking about and they are experts.
pfft, good one@@chrisdistant9040
How about speaking to the point instead of relying on ad hominem attacks. Can you provide evidence that the statistical base has been sufficiently adjusted to account for urban growth and the the concomitant growth of heat islands that encompass the measurement points? @@chrisdistant9040
Destiny?! His name is destiny??!!
Lol
You don't like his stripper name? 🤣
It’s a horrible name but he is an absolute a hole
Its a girl name
@@lain5858it’s a dumb name.
What are his pronouns?😂😂 😂
You can give a Canadian a never ending suit wardrobe and they will always find their way back to denim
CO2 has reached its "saturation point", meaning that any more of it cannot notably affect temperature. See Princeton Prof William Happer on this
cool, except it is in direct contradiction with the the continous warming and heat records we see to this day, and the unexpected developments all aroudn the world such as unexpected record glacier melting.
Yes, just like after putting on a sweater, putting on more sweaters isn’t going to make you any warmer. 🤡
We measure CO2 in parts per million. But as you intelligently point out, anyone knows that numbers don’t get much higher than 0.0004
No, it hasn't
Good grief! The planet is 4.5 billion years old........we are a mere speck in time.
good grief, why is that relevant whatsoever? the planet also never had a species that grew to dominate and completely reshape the planet within 100 years of industrialization.
We are the only intelligent life we know to exist that is capable of space travel.
Whilst the human race may be insignificant in terms of cosmological timescales, we are still something to be cherished.
The universe can exist for billions and billions of years but if there is nothing there to explore and appreciate it then that is a great shame.
@@revorocks123 what is ur point? lol. space travel is completely irrelevant if earth cant solve its political and otherwise problems. it should be absolutely lowest on our agenda.
@@revorocks123 what is ur point? we arent even capable of fixing our own world, let alone find and inhabit another one. space travel should be the absolute lowest priority for a world that is in flames.
Indeed. And many of us hope our children will make that tiny speck into a dot, while others want their hedonistic lifestyles to continue, damned the future generations.
When CO2 goes up, vegetation growth increases
And so does the average temperature. And forest fires. And droughts.
@@zackr.7628 How? Explain.
@@zackr.7628 Forest fires are largely increasing in frequency due to misguided forest conservation efforts of the last 70 years.
@@guttydozen Well ig we all studied Algebric mean in high school right, average temperature rise is similar a 1 or 2 degree rise in global average temperature means anomalies in local bio spheres, so some places might be facing crazy hot temperature and some on the other hands might be seeing sudden drop in temperature. Now u might ask why does it even matter, well for that understand if climate changes so rapidly all the existence process around food agriculture and bio diversity would undergo rapid changes that civilisation won't be about to adapt or evolve, hence might undergo complete extinction. Climate change is a common phenomenon for planets to undergo but with this much catalyst it would be hard to adapt accordingly. We can talk about nuances of it but ig Yt comments is not the place lol. Btw I don't understand why Peterson refuses to accept the major changes start happening after the industrialation like that's is so obvious plus backed up
@@gbear34 not true, forest fires dont happen spontainously in most cases. fire needs fuel, oxygen and a spark to ignite. so most forest fires get started by pyromaniacs (humans)
No one 50 years ago could predict the economic impact of what is going on NOW, even in 2000. 40 years ago there were predictions of a new ice age.
This part was so good, was so satisfying to see somebody finally pin Destiny down where he usually manages to wiggle free
Exactly, he’s so annoying
destiny had immensely poor arguments and facts to present to this debate, but that does not mean Peterson is right about climate change (he is not)
@@ShakeITyEA tell us why instead of just saying he's wrong buddy. He made some damn good points and Destiny replied with a bunch of logical fallacies lol
@@semperick really, destiny did a poor job and I dont care about this debate. but as far as climate change goes, Peterson simply ignores a large swathe of evidence. both co2 in the atmosphere and temperatures have been linked and can be traced back millions of years. temperatures reach record highs regularly for the past few years, but prior to industrialization, all temperature records hint that we were in a cooling period. there is also a conflict of interest with an organisation he himself created - its sponsored by fossil fuel investors and saudis. LMAO. if you want to know anything, ask a specific question.
@@semperick to add, Peterson also refused to aknowledge the "hockey stick", because it is getting "sued" or whatever. purely nonsensical take, several different organisations have done nearly identical measurements that look like a hockey stick when graphed.
I love how Destiny uses 5 years worth of cherry picked data as a basis for his arguments, but conveniently fails to acknowledge that a couple decades ago, scientist were telling us we would be living in a new ice age about now.
Scientists weren't telling anyone that. Some news outlets misconstrued scientific papers and told people that, which was not at all endorsed by scientists at the time.
Come on, Jordan is the one who is cherry picking, it’s view point is ridiculous.
Wiped the floor with his smug ass. 😂
he didn't
@@william14ablehe did. Turn your brain on.
He backed him into a corner at every turn. He tried to dodge questions by changing subjects or the focus and it didn’t work.
@@SammyFuqU referring back to your tautology isn't backing someone into a corner.
lol.
CO2 retains more heat.
"How do you know? have you seen an atom? lol! I win."
well. we can measure it.
"But you can't measure it down to an acceptable level of precision!!!".
Well. I mean, its close enough to make predictions on and model.
"NO I don't agree that it's precise enough. We can't act on the models because they're based on imprecise measurements! See even you have to constantly update them when you get more measurements".
Um. Okay? That is kind of how the scientific process works. I don't exactly know what you want. It's impossible to satisfy the constantly moving goal posts.
"See! you're captured by the scientific cadre! You BELIEVE it to be true, which sounds an awful lot like a religiously held belief"
Sounds good, but this isn't the sick burn you think it is.
No, he hysterically interrupted instead of listening calmly and giving thoughtful responses. Peterson is an emotional manchild who is probably experiencing brain damage from his benzo addiction and subsequent coma.
And yet while numbing his brain with benzos, he's still more educated, qualified, intelligent, and successful than you can be.
Imagine thinking you know more than someone who not only has a doctorate in their field but also has done specific postdoc research into what you're talking about. LMAO @@jenniek8391
I`ve never seen this Destiny guy produce a single original thought
Very few people have (fully) original thoughts. Out of curiosity, have you ever seen Peterson produce an original thought? 🤔
@@hamster4618 Yes plenty, he doesent march lockstep with the rest of academia who have contributed to turning the West into a giant S hole.
@@hamster4618I (a leftist) actually like Jordan as he has more original things to say. But I agree most conservatives just parrot whatever the Koch brothers pay Steven Crowder and PJW to say.
@@christophersnedeker can you give an example of an original thought?
A few weeks ago, front page news articles in the UK, reported about the poor skiing conditions in the Alps, due to a lack of adequate snow cover - as a result of man-made climate change of course. But recently after huge snowfalls and fantastic skiing conditions....................... CRICKETS!
That's my favorite when it's unseasonably warm for a few weeks you hear people make those comments. I'm just thinking to my self I've heard that same comment every other year for my whole life. Maybe the seasons are always just different 🤔which is the absolute truth.
Why are arctic ice cover and glaciers in decline?
@@emalek8290 the decline started 10,000-13,000 years ago. Must have been the oil industry
@@HouseParty13 Go look at the precipitous decline of arctic ice that has co-occured with carbon dioxide concentrations. It's not that hard to understand 🤣
Because it's all a scam. This climate hysteria is just that, hysteria.
I remember Obama running for office and he was very much on the side of worrying about climate change, now he has multiple mansions worth close to 50 million just for the houses right on the beach. Clearly he is not worried about sea levels raising and until that changes I'm not either.
@gerardgauthier4876 and Obama still has those mansions.
@@gerardgauthier4876 it's the sea rising or is the ground sinking?
Also a simple Google would show that the sea levels have been rising we've been measuring and its very linear. Let me ask you, what was our carbon output way back then? Why was the sea rising at about the same rate today when our carbon output is many orders of magnitude higher in recent years than it was back in the 1800s?
@@Michael-yx2un and Obama still has his mansions doesn't he, oh and so does Biden, and Pelosi and on and on and on it goes.
@@Michael-yx2un I do think its cute how your all "I know more then Obama does because of a simple google search" you know he had NASA working for him right? and the EPA as well and the lord only knows what else classified materials he had access too and after he left office he's so convinced that climate change is a nothing burger he literally lives right next to the ocean. But yeah believe google because they wouldn't lie to you now would they.
People still pay 27$ a pack for cigarettes, the tax does nothkng to stop addiction 😅😂
look around bozo
@@william14able am I supposed to be looking at you the bozo? Or what?
Cigarette use is dropping dramatically, what are you on? Lol
@@BradJohannsen does that mean that not a single person rver pays 27$ for smokes? What the fuck are you on?
@@TheShannaginz If cigarettes were 2 bucks a pack do you think more or less people would smoke?
I think we can agree fewer people smoke the higher the price gets and less kids start smoking if it cost more. That does not mean every person will stop or never start but it does mean many will stop. Smoking used to be 32% of the population and it decreased to 11% in recent years. It is a mix of price and marketing changes.
"This isn't data, it's guess". Now that's some truth right there.
It's data. Peterson is just a deranged, hysterical fool.
I can't even fathom people are this delusional... I am so grateful for JP, a great mind we desperately need in these clownish times
Honestly I thought he was the delusional one
Debating Destiny is the moral equivalent of boxing a cripple.
and jp lost to said cripple
@@LudwigHorsecock You must be profoundly re✝️arded.
Yeah like you would stand 5 minutes debating destiny without sounding like a crackhead on psychedelics
Jordon is on an entirely different level than this guy. I am surprised this took place.
In fact why does anyone even pay attention to "destiny" anyway?
Really? Because he didn’t go into anything much.
He pretended the hockey stick is the only model ever made. It’s not. He pretended the hockey stick guy was taken to court by the statistician. He was not. The hockey stick guy took the statistician to court for defamation. And the hockey stick guy won.
Information on climate is known. Some 140,000 years, in Europe, there was an icecap all the way to the Netherlands. Sea levels were some 120 meters below the current levels.
Shortly after temperatures rose, then a new ice age started which lasted some 100,000 years. Then 18,000 a rapid change to the warmer times we live in now started. And now we see a new rise, which (most) scientists researching it, acclaim to human activity.
Could be, could not be. However, I wouldn’t be surprised as we impact EVERYTHING else. We see our impact in the oceans, with plastic soup littering the depths we can’t even reach, we can cause earthquakes, increase the effects of hurricanes, soil depletion, hole in ozone layer (now recovered), erosion, soil pollution and we’ve even managed to leave our trash in outer space.
I'm truly shocked that there are still people denying the correlation between carbon emissions and rapidly rising temperatures. What year is this??
Correlation and causation are 2 different things.
@thisguy4911 Apply common sense too. Everyone expects temps to rise when you dig up all the carbon and burn it.
@@stepheni5783 who is everyone
@@stepheni5783 not everyone
@@thisguy4911 be more stupid. Nobody should ever prevent you from achieving your dreams.
In the jurrasic era there was around 8000 parts per million of atmospheric carbon dioxide, now there is around 400.
As for record temperatures we started measuring at The end of "the small ice age" in the 1800's so of course there are "record tempratures" now.
This stuff is dumb as fuck.
And even then, I've heard that there's a massive discrepancy between satellite data and temperature collection stations, where the collection stations are built in some of the hottest places on Earth and are extremely vulnerable to climactic swings, whereas the satellite data measure heat emitting from the earth shows an increase that is radically smaller.
@@HSuper_Lee bro they put some of The equipment in a volcanoe 😂
Also they started measuring at ground level instead of 2 metres above ground a few years ago. They admitted it on National tv recently. It is of course hotter on asphalt then 2 metres above...
Its an obvious hoax.
Gretas Thunbergs father, Svante Thunberg, works for the swedish deep state bankers who control power supply in 150+ countries, mineral mines and battery production 🥴
And her handle, who claims to have randomly found her protesting is her parents friend Ingemar Rentzhog.
Yea but in the Jurassic era people didn’t live on the coast
@@PepsiFuture why do banks and rich people keep incesting in beach front property you think?
Not a single private investmentbolag has taken any sea level rise into account.
Plymouth rock is still at sea level, at The waters edge.
And now they are finding settlements under The melting glaciers.
All very strange 😂
On predicting outcomes 100 years in the future, we have an interesting benchmark. In 1900, a magazine asked a number of scientists and other experts to make predictions for the far off year of 2000. And they did.
Their predictions were fascinating. Most of them were laughably far off. Occasionally, they'd get something sort of right, but kinda not.
One of the most memorable was the prediction that wars of the future would be fought by gigantic balloons in the sky, which belched massive clouds of smoke to hide their position. They also predicted that we would be growing massively large fruits and vegetables, and that we'd distribute them from supermarkets to homes through a complex system of pneumatic tubes.
As Yogi Berra said, "Predictions are hard, especially about the future."
A few weeks before the Wright brothers flew their plane the New York Times published an article saying that according to scientists it'll take humanity a million years to build flying machines.
The climate problem is absolutely an economic issue.. the economy at local and world level is directly impacted by people living in poverty.. its effects on health.. education..inability to contribute to a better society while in survival mode…and of course who can afford to line the pockets of the high street retailers when we are all deciding wether to “heat or eat”…and how anyone could agree with an environmental model 100 years into the future at this point in world history is madness.
Dr. Peterson forgot to mention one key aspect, that Destiny is indeed a girls name
No it’s a stripper name
😂
The problem is there are too many of these high intellect type’s running around with no idea what they’re doing but they’ve convinced themselves through their own intelligence they are right.
They are in charge of all institutions basically. Telling us what is good and right for us. In their distorted, egocentric view.
Good thing we have Dwain McBain a scholar in everything that knows exactly all the science through his sheer ignorance of anything. Brilliant
@@davidwellmann4985 I’m not a scholar, why would you call , me a scholar for expressing my opinion in a comment section; Pretty fragile there David.
@dwainmcbain5263 because you seem to have made a pretty decent study about these high intellect types like Peterson for example and your results seem to show that they have no idea what they are doing
@@davidwellmann4985 my results? 😆 I’m not referring to JP as he is clearly experienced with more than an idea. I get the feeling you’re just looking to rip on someone, glad I could help you out. Have a nice day.😃
Destiny thinks if he talks really fast he sounds smart. He doesnt.
You know I hear the same argument against Dr Peterson all the time. Give destiny a try, people always say he just talks fast and debates but maybe he actually is smart and he debates cause he wants to find the truth. I know watching his streams that he actively searches for the truth and it’s extraordinary how far he gets with that, further than academic historians like Finkelstein who’ve devoted their whole lives to a topic.
@@poopstink2196
“Destiny” (🙄) simply wants to WIN the argument.
You cannot discourse with those types of people …time alone will expose them
@@angelozachos8777 wanting to win an argument provides incentive to be on the right side of the argument. It’s precisely the reason why debate and argumentation is so crucial to our society, it’s the logos in action. Of course belief in principles is important but pure adherence to argumentation actually gets you very very far in the search for truth. Destiny’s fan base is the most diverse on the political spectrum I’ve ever seen, and I think that’s a consequence of alignment of his identity with the search for the truth rather than a particular set of beliefs. I haven’t seen someone that identifies with that search better than destiny and I’ve been a fan of both JBP and destiny for a long time.
@@poopstink2196 No it doesn't. It only creates the incentives to say want people believe not what is true. And this is want Destiny is doing right here
@@yalechuk6714 just because destiny disagrees with you on this particular topic doesn’t mean his beliefs are based on pandering. He is very pro Israel and has gotten tons and tons of flack for it. He argues what he believes to be true.
Green Energy? In what world are solar and wind power green energy? The machines that harness solar and wind produce barely enough useful energy return on energy invested to produce any energy at all.
Smart. Keep using your brain and morals and you'll save your spirit from this madness
Tell me you know nothing about renewable energy without telling me you know nothing about renewable energy.
Ha, precisely. And the dmage they do to the environment can be devastating. Lunacy
@@campland2880 please explain the devastating damage they do to the environment? Please be specific.
In South Africa, the government fails to produce enough electricity for the entire country. Thus everyone takes turns using it in a process called "Loadshedding".
Obviously people aren't happy with this and thus many people have invested in their own power production, the favoured being solar due to our agreeable weather year round.
Over the past few years solar grew to account for about 6.2 gigawatts of power.
In summary. Renewable energy now powers the equivalent of several power stations and is pretty much the sole reason our grid hasn't completely collapsed.
So in other words, solar CAN and DOES produce enough energy not only to pay for itself but to help keep an entire electrical grid online when only used on the residential level.
Hottest year where? In Australia it's been a very cool year compared to others. No bush fires this summer.
I thought brush fires were a result of dryness, not air temperature…Death valley California is the hottest place on earth and there aren’t brush fires there. There were a shit ton of trees and plants in Iraq when I was there last year, 50 degrees Celsius, no brush fires
@@Mattropolis97 There's hardly any vegetation in Death Valley.
India, Mexico, Egypt and a great number of states in the US have all broken heat records this year.
Thanks Doc
One is trying to have a conversation that gets somewhere. One is trying to win an argument.
True, Peterson's so angry and comes up with the most ridiculous lies in order to keep lobbying for the oil industry.
Okay you got me. I’ll listen to it.
I’ve seen so many ads for this debate - and I have never heard of Destiny before lol. So I had to research him a little and I’m absolutely shocked he would be willing to go toe to toe with Peterson on anything.
13:37 It cuts off here, but JP's arguments against reducing CO2 included an increase in food insecurity, and stated that inhibiting fossil fuel use is making that worse. Isn't a big contributor here the extreme weather events (droughts, floods) that keep destroying crops? Olive oil prices have doubled in just a few years. How does using more fossil fuels solve this problem?
exactly
We have carbon capture machines, we have technology that cleans water, we have so much technology and technology in the future that isn't even invented yet. So I am very confident we will be okay no matter what.
We dont have to do anything different at all. The population WILL plummet, Using accurate genuine models, not wild guesses. This plummet means .......climate change is a blip.
Destiny : " I know everything there is to know about climate change because I Googled it"😂😂😂
It's all about power and money. None of it is about climate and poverty. Those in true control want more for themselves.
It's so cute.
I'm sure he woke up that morning thinking, "I am super smart, I'm going to school JP."
So cute. Gotta love Jordan.
Jordan the hysterical manchild who cries every five minutes?
Climate change as ‘debate’ as it is misses the mark entirely. It’s politics an and ideology.
The true issue is adaptability.
Climate changes, and the reasons do not matter. We can not control it. It’s foolish to think we can and it’s foolish to expect that it won’t ever change.
All we can hope to do is as our ancestors did, which is adapt, use our large brains to continue thriving on this planet.
You can’t tax your way to a stable climate that won’t ever change.
If I learned one thing from covid, it’s that a good crisis is never lain to waste. There are those who use crisis, real or imagined, to further their power, goals and agendas.
I fear this more than I do a change in climate.
Jordan Peterson doesn't believe in Climate Change, but Climate Change is 19th century science that was discovered and essentially proven in the 1960s. Most of the projections of climate scientists are starting to come true.
His idea that a carbon tax will hit poor people too much is fair. But I think they don't want to tax poor people directly, they want to tax the companies that pollute more than might be needed. They're trying to direct companies to attempt to use more sustainable means of generating energy. And though JP might not like it, oil will get more and more expensive to mine and was never the most efficient form of energy available.
The reason we use so much oil is not because it's some miracle energy source, it's simply because sooo many of our machines and energy infrastructure runs on it.
When you take oil out of the ground, then transport and then burn it for energy you get only about a 10% netto energy increase. You waste 90% of the energy to get 100% of the oil.
This will only get worse because oil needs to be dug up from deeper and deeper into the ground, which is both costly in terms of financial investment and energy.
So Jordan Peterson's notion that transitioning away from fossil fuels is to the detriment of the poor because it will make energy more expensive is not realistic, it can actually make energy cheaper because far less energy has to be wasted to obtain the energy (through solar, wind, water, nuclear and biofuels).
The main point that reaallly undercuts Jordan's argument is: Poor people are disproportionately affected by climate change, yet contribute the least to it. So there's this notion that the poor people somehow need climate change to live well... NO, rich people need the systems that have caused climate change far more than poor people and they can protect themselves the best from the consequences.
The floods in Pakistan, the desertification in Africa, the massive forrest fires in poor rural areas all over the world. The richest people have contributed to these problems the most while suffering the least, except for their beachside mansions being swepped away in the next decades.
So this sort of we're making poor people sacrifice more for climate adaptation and mitigation policy than they'll get out of it is wrong on every level. Poor people will be hurt the most by climate change, rich people and giant corporation will have to invest the most for climate policy. They're not worried about the poor people, they're worried about the margin of profits they'll be getting if they're forced to adapt.
The impact humans have had on the global climate has literally altered the time it will take for the next glacial period to kick in, we are actively shaping the future of the world. Without humans the climate would not be changing at the speed it's doing now.
This is not up for debate, this is pure fact based science.
I've researched this for multiple NGO's and for my Master's degree.
Everyone agrees but it's simply not convenient for the Status Quo to tell the truth so they send footsoldiers like JP out to confuse you about the reality happening before your very eyes.
Instead of saying "Why not?" at the end there I would have liked to hear you say, "You're a lost cause with your stupid doodling! The things you endure! Thanks for this Clear definition of unhinged woke.
It's so funny when Destiny talks to anyone knowledgeable on a topic. This video is like a dad trying to teach his very small child what the world is like.
They are both so intelligent they loose each other on specificity.
It is like watching my three year old debate me why he should be having ice cream for dinner
Lol this is the guy on whatever podcast that said his open relationship is perfect and they will never fail. Where is his "wife" now LOL
Well done, Dr. Peterson. I have never subscribed to the climate activist positions. You can find evidence of the earth cooling and warming in ice cores… I enjoyed this very much. Thank you.
Yes, over hundreds of thousands of years, not over 100 years! The effects of C02 on a system are verifyable through simple experiments
The climate scientists warning about climate change are the same that discovered the past warming and cooling. The fact that climate has changed in the past doesn't change the fact that we have changed the climate with our emission. People who has never smoked a cigarette can get lung cancer, that doesn't prove cigarettes are safe.
There are layers of truth on both sides of the argument.
Destiny clearly believes that talking faster and louder makes him right.
But here is a simple question for him. If the increase of CO2 is driving up temperatures, why is it that the increases of CO2 always follow increases in temperature, not the other way around?
Source?
@@jezza669
Science
@@tassie7325lol the way you said science. I had no doubt that JP fans would be like this.
The melting of the ice sheets causes warming of ocean water in the southern hemisphere. Those waters then release CO2. You should find some more information on this if you look up CO2 lag.
Thank you for having an important debate, these are rare.
'Debate'
More like 'Dr. Peterson demolishes Destiny on every topic discussed'.
Oh:
Christ is King.
Yes! Awesome. I agree on both accounts.
Love it.
Christ is King.
"We've just had another hottest year on record" - Has anyone actually verified this i.e. how the data is collected, how temperatures are compared, and where these temperatures are being recorded?
www.weather.gov/media/slc/ClimateBook/Annual%20Average%20Temperature%20By%20Year.pdf