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What Jordan does that EVERYONE needs to learn, is Jordan's first act is not to rebuke Destiny's claims, instead Jordan first re-states what Destiny says to make sure he understands Destiny's POV. If everyone did that there would be less animosity and more problem solving.
I agree, JP is showing us a skill that many choose not to practice and correct me if I'm wrong as I try to compound what I'm hearing, and as I write this I see I'm already reading too far into destinies views, but it sounds like destiny is worried about convolutional political stances and landscapes for the denizens of the world due to the influence philosophical social celebrities have on their followers. Destiny wants to get it right and help sort us out through the bs but if the very nature of figuring stuff is always structured in convolution, then we as a whole will remain convoluted... convoluted, I almost never use that word
God i feel stupid
Well destiny is a moron so that’s really hard to do
Yep, empathetic listening
He actually talks about doing this with your wife when having a disagreement and how it instantly diffuses defense mechanisms. It’s so true and has drastically helped me to be a better listener, and more empathetic to the other.
"So what you're saying is..." Didn't work out so well for Cathy Newman.
I didn’t know growing up that my family was poor. I attribute this to my Mom & Dad. Being together as a family doing things together as a family made me feel whole . I was never jealous of my peers. My mother and father made sure that they instilled in me , riches is family nothing else matters
That is your opinion, not everyone enjoys being around their family...when you are very different to all of your family, aka the black sheep, you hold a very different view. But like he said to "apply the logic",
most people can only think from their own point of view.
@@LeginMan I’m very grateful to be in the thousands and thousands of people who grew up the way I did . And yes its a point of view that I’m only sharing in hopes to enrich someone else’s life
@@LeginMan It sounds like you're doing that to yourself. The comment wasn't about you. Seek to do better and help out the family you can or it feels like a projection. You're wallowing in self pity and it's kind of proving trudy's point.
@@LeginMan even if you're a black sheep you shouldn't let that define your opinions, like if your family you don't agree with believe in one thing should you automatically take the opposite stand? that's a waste of your autonomy and ability to draw your own conclusions regardless of specific experiences that may predispose you in certain directions and ways.
My dad made that very clear to me too. He had 9 brothers and sisters and hated them all. Except a few. He always said don't be like me keep your family close. I have an older sister. A baby sister. A kid brother and a brother slightly younger than me and I would do anything for them. As I get older I see the sacrifices I'll have to make to stay in their lives and that's fine with me. My aunts and uncles only came to see me when I was in the burn unit probably out of morbid curiosity
Really proud of Mick Foley for making a huge career transition
His head trauma is still there. 🤕
Lmao
Unreal hey!?
Lost a lot of weight too
More like Midget Foley.
I respect anyone willing to sit down and have a polite discussion with someone they know they do not agree with. It used to be common but now is rare.
Jordan barely made it through without plugging his ears and yelling louder to not hear. Imagine the rest of his cult.
@@Drew-ce3leare we watching the same thing? because what you're watching sounds way cooler.
Keeping the conversation going..that's what counts.
Way to generalize and misrepresent, Drew
@@aznboi1027nah he’s right, jordan looked and acted seriously unhinged in this conversation
This wasn't an interview. It was therapy for destiny😂😂😂😂
or like failed exam ;)
Hahaha 💯. Destiny was way over his head here
@maakjar how do you figure? He and Peterson agreed on a lot here. Are you saying Peterson is stupid too?
Destiny should drop to his knees (his most comfortable position) and kiss Jordan's ass on both cheeks for being such an embarrassment to men.
Dude already came to the therapy without his blue hair.
That's one step forward i guess xDD
Destiny is always better behaved when he’s talking to someone serious.
Always judge someone by how they treat those they have no use for.
he knows he can't pull his typical debate bro bullshit
@@notloki3377JP is an expert psychologist. Destiny debate bro tactics are just petty low tier psychological tricks to trip up an opponent. That shit does not work on JP whatsoever.
@@notloki3377this is a really low IQ comment. He obviously treats people with good faith and character (unlike finkelstein who uses ad hominems and is vehemently angry) cordial like he is in this video.
He said why on stream many times. Mainstream figures arent wiling to go full goblin mode in debates and will cause them to not do debates
Jordan really brings you down when you feel like you know it all, or have it figured out. Very great man. Knocked me down to size quite a few times.
I’d rather have these sort of discussions rather than the shit throwing and screaming matches you typically see
MOX!?!??!?!?!? ngl the only reason im commenting is I think it would be funny for you to be in the top comments of a Jordan Peterson vid
well if it isnt the friendly neighborhood femboypilled schizoposter himself
They say never meet your hero. Well I am very grateful to have briefly met Dr Peterson, and he surpassed my expectations. What a thoughtful, caring man.
I feel like he is a safe bet. I believe Keanu reeves would be a safe bet to meet as well
I was surprised how tall and large I felt standing next to him. He’s a very small man.
@@5up3rm4nMy3r5 Very.
@@5up3rm4nMy3r5"I met Dr Peterson and he was a thoughtful, caring, weak, small man. Never meet your heroes."
Jordan Peterson is your hero? We're doomed.
I’m getting old. Too old and cranky to see what the blessed thrill is with Destiny. Seems like a chuckleheaded weather vane to me.
he is indeed that
agreed
This is so accurate to me lol
If you watch the full episode, you can see his pathetic explanation about how vaccines are safe. Never seen Peterson get that angry 😂
@@FittedSheetGaming I watched the whole thing and wanted a refund on my two hours. Dr. Peterson let him know he was saying stupid things, however, and they shook hands twice at the end. So that’s good.
Dr. Peterson help me just with "look at your self" when I really did, I realized how much I need to work on my self first before wanting for the world to change.
Dr. Peterson is correct in his distinction between gigantism of corporations vs. gigantism of government. The key difference between the two, and this makes all the difference in the world, is that one possess the authority of the law and all that comes with it (fines, imprisonment, DEATH), while the other does not. It's that simple.
Excellent summary!
You are talking about the same thing. Corporations can get so large that they can capture the government. This happened with standard oil , and the dutch east indies company.
As a very libertarian person I think gigantism of government is the biggest problem. Without government help the bloated giant corps lose to dedicated small businesses. Small businesses lack overhead and owners run things themselves with care and concern for the business and employees. Employees tend to care more about the employer too. In a large corporation its easy to screw the little guy and for the little guy to sneak by and screw the nameless entities controlling the corp. They bloat up with top heavy departments during hard times. With a large government they get bailouts for bad decisions and gain other government incentives and funding.
@@bsaintnyc If a corporation captures the government, whose fault is that? The government is the gatekeeper, they are the check on this kind of thing. If the government is bought by corporations, then the government is corrupt - they could have stopped it in its inception simply by not being corrupt. There is nothing that says the government has to participate in the corruption of a corporation.
In addition, if a corporation gets overly large and influential, then the FTC should step in and break them up. Monopolies are not allowed.
@@bsaintnyc The Trans Pacific Partnership was another attempt at corporations attempting to capture government. It is all around us, but they do much to keep it hidden.
The whole damn problem is that these people think that we can eradicate any and all discomfort. Ultimately, about half of the world would rather have certainty and equality than freedom. This thinking is based in cowardice and jealousy. Freedom-centered living is based on bravery and generosity.
Depending on whether you think you could win a fight or compete against the average person, "freedom" either means "nobody telling me what to do" or "nobody smashing my head in". Freedom means different things to different people. Pretty much everyone just wants a good life, but we have different problems.
Never thought of it like that but I have to agree. Well said.
It's not necessarily cowardice and jealousy. It's likely more to do with a misplaced sense of justice or foolish idealism. Sometimes malice can be involved too, but much of that ideology comes from a place of naivety that reaches into being a control freak. The never-ending idea that, "Oh, the last guy did it wrong, but I'll do it right *this* time."
Yes they are utopic, I think that's why they can be so hateful to those on the right. They think we could be living in a utopia and those 'damn greedy right wingers' are deliberately trying to prevent it.
Agreed
This seemed like a therapy session 😂
He needs one
This portion, it had some fiery moments.
@@martyy4073 Yep Peterson is not well.✔
@@jaybird1731he definetly can't be, after a long discussion with an airhead like destiny
@@rdf274that was a beautiful comeback and I appreciate you.
Nice Job Jdog 💪 glad to see your getting back to the metaphysics of an argument. Must be in a good headspace
Really appreciating this conversation ..gonna grab some popcorn before watching the full thing
Dr.P looking like a wizard casting spells in the thumbnail!
That is exactly what I thought. Lol.
Should be called Destiny gets Expelliarmus'd
😂 Almost spit my drink out! LMAO 😂😂🎉
😆
This dude should not be allowed to dress himself
I saw Dr. Peterson on his latest tour. It was such an honor to hear him speak!
Love this. Thank you Dr Peterson. Your thoughts are always fascinating. And your sitting down with the young men of today helps greatly in cultivating the future.
Thank you
Quite the productive conversation. Thanks for sharing!
I’m a centrist but the last 2 or 3 years I’ve started leaning pretty heavily conservative. I respect destiny and his willingness to have discussions with people who disagree with him on their own platforms. We need more of this in the real world!
peterson is a liar, he builds his argument for capitalism on a false premise, that being the hierarchies of capitalism are based on competence, he is wrong.
the hierarchies of capitalism are pyramid /\ shaped, while
every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve, with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
/\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy.
capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact.
I mean I agree with you, yet if you look at it, him disagreeing with people is pretty much his only value. The guy never applies any of his prescriptions into his personal life.
I've been completely pushed to Donald trump.
100% agree. I'm center-left but I really enjoyed this convo and I think both did well explaining and defending their positions. I look forward to more dialogue like this
Agreed, it is very nice to see a conversation of actual exploration into what both men think instead of just a rap sheet of actions one side or the other has done which has been referenced so much that we are desensitized to it.
Yooooo those last 20 seconds hit me like whiplash
Jesus..
😂❤❤❤ great conversation.
Yeah was intense.
I don't get it. What happened in the last 20 seconds?.. Peterson made a distinction with respect to the very last thing Destiny brought up?
@@Typhoon792yes... Peterson is making it clear that church & state are different... Whilst Destiny is trying to make them similar to clown on conservatives.
@@theformulated1 Sure, okay. I got that. Don't see how that was "like whiplash", but alright.
@@Typhoon792 people worship peterson and act like him saying basic truths is groundbreaking
I think it boils down to this: "I had a baby. Then I got some money. Now I think people with money should treat everyone else like babies."
you forgetting HOW he got that money....
he is got it for spewing leftist propaganda on his streams. As he got bigger and richer, he realized, "i cant switch up now"
This is WHY he hangs with right wing people, ect, ect, ect.... He ALWAYS argues in bad faith, just to push people's thinking process...which is cool, but just dishonest.
Even what he said about becoming a father.....it wasnt becoming a father, it was HOW HE MADE HIS MONEY. Having children will always ALWAYS make a person more conservative in their thinking. This is why JP was even confused how he came to leftist ideas AFTER having a kid AND making more money.
You didnt listen for two shits
@@karljonson3287 Great response! I notice you didn't say I was wrong, though.
@@cedricwilford me saying you didnt listen obviously means that I think you're wrong. He had a son, saw all the opportunities his son has and opportunities he didnt have and created empathy. Some people say "I didnt hqve it so other people shouldn't have it either" and others say "I didnt have it but others should have it"
@@karljonson3287 Now we're cooking. Some people say: "I worked hard for what I have. Don't steal it from me and give it to someone else." Whether you think that's bad or not is entirely irrelevant. It's not your stuff. You don't get to decide other people need it more than I do. If you want to give away all your money and possessions, knock yourself out. Leave me out of it.
Leftism doesn't create empathetic giving opportunities. It takes from those that have found success (like Destiny eventually did), and gives (in the most ineffective and expensive ways possible) to people who have not found success.
There's nothing empathetic about forced taking and forced giving. That's just theft (often labeled "redistribution" so it doesn't sound so evil).
As to the people receiving the handouts, I get it... sometimes people need help. That's what charities (actual charities, not the government) are for. Temporary help for people in need.
Leftism supports turning people into welfare dependents who are easy to control. Like babies. There's nothing empathetic about that. It's disgusting and sinister. Your turn!
I genuinely respect any and everyone who is willing to sit down and engage in actual discussion.
Not an argument where both sides are trying to one up the other, but real thoughtful conversation between two parties with differing views explaining and questioning each others ideas.
They're both hardcore zionists lol they're on the same "side"
the ending 😂😂😂 bro COOKED
Cooked up some stupidity.
The Catholic church might not have an actual modern army, but they will freaking obliterate you if you get in their way.
Ask any of the people who have tried to get Justice for some holy men touching them. Their name gets dragged through the mud, their finances ruined.
So Jordan’s point, however maybe factually true, it is still just really stupid in missing the moral of the story.
You should watch the entire thing, he GOT cooked.
Bro 😂
@@Neil.KPeterson is somewhat crazy with his takes on climate change, but his opinion about "FORCE" on the use of vaccines is logical. Could see both sides of the argument working, but I think that was the only thing that Destiny didn't argue that much, because he probably thought that was right (even though he approved the method of the COVID-19 vaccines). Anyways, both were really passionate about their beliefs and it didn't feel like they were arguing in bad faith which is something really rare for someone on the left. It was a productive conversation.
@@Neil.Kyour confirmation bias is showing lol
The last 10 seconds was worth having to bear Destiny for 10 minutes.
Destiny tries to claim that church and government are one in the same Jordan just start bullet time listing reasons why that's not even remotely true lol.
@@darklightimages Never once did destiny claim the church and the government were "one in the same". How about you go back over that clip and actually listen. How could you possibly think that was said or implied?
@@olmis6289 Buddy listen get Destiny's penis out of your mouth and listen to the last couple of seconds of the video and you will see Destiny clearly makes a comparison to the church and government which then prompts Jordan to then list of off how the church and government are different.
@@olmis6289well that’s pretty gas lightly. Ofcourse destiny is drawing a comparison between big government and the Catholic Church. Dr. Peterson was right to show the major differences between the two.
@@olmis6289 He directly said that the Catholic Church as a big organization was the same as government. Peterson simply pointed out that Destiny is talking nonsense here.
You'd think that after his experience with non-Christian sexual ethics, he'd see how foolish he's been.
I really love seeing people with different views discuss things intelligently and respectfully. This is how we can live peacefully together even when we don't agree.
The timing at the end was brilliant
When you consider how poorly government spends money - I can't see how simply giving them more money (through taxes) is going to solve anything.
That would be like a group of engineers designing an engine that doesn't work - then deciding that it would work if they made it 50% larger.
If the government could prove itself trustworthy - and could demonstrate a plan that was likely to improve life for everyone - people might agree to more taxes. But they are bad with money - and people don't trust them.
I can’t refer to a single time in history the government was altruistic to citizens…… I can think of 10 examples of the opposite however. It’s baffling anyone would defer responsibility of ANYTHING to the government at this point 😭
@@7856841Nordic countries are pretty much altruistic to their citizens same thing with Germany. They provide expecting mothers year (or more) leave from work to raise children to preschool age (this same leave is for fathers as well). Provide tax incentives to first home buyers and provide non paid education to *everyone* regardless of financial background. Your parents can be filthy rich and you still be sitting next to kid in class room whose parents are from middle class or working class.
Quality for primary school and secondary school is top notch where every teacher is master of education theory who is graduated from university (this is prerequisite for all school teachers).
@@7856841 I mean it’s either government or anarchy right?
It isn't even that they are incompetent with money. It is with INTENT that they spend the way they do because any collapse to the civilians doesn't affect them. Then when an emergency arises, they justify even more spending to "fix" the problem. Politicians have been this way in every great empire throughout human history. Western Rome didn't collapse because of military invasions; it collapsed first from within due to corruption and government bloat. People can't be trusted with power, but it's people who will do their worst who always seek it.
Like a good american, you completely ignore everything outside your country lol. Europe is far poorer than the US yet they have much more robust welfare systems which have worked very well for the last 80 years. Of course you are blissfully unaware so you spend your time imagining examples that fit your opinion
I appreciate you two sitting down together and having a conversation. It's quite refreshing.
I like how they both can js talk. It’s so soothing. There’s tension but there’s no excessive screaming
It's telling that so many comments here praise Peterson. He's a smart guy, a gifted orator who forms arguments and makes his cases so effortlessly that he appears to be 'winning'. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he's right.
I got the opposite impression. I feel like destiny won here, but that he isn't right. Although in this rare scenario, JP isn't right either.
First he says that noone is really principled, objective morality is fake and we all hop from one set of ethics to another depending on the group we belong to.
Then he says "My core set of beliefs never changed." ... The dude just yaps
Yep
objective morality is a shallow unintelligent concept.
@@Stafusthe same person that said steamers earned deserve money but business owners didn't lmao dude keep embarrassing yourself with these cringe takes
He said it for most political people especially for the ones involved in the polarized political climate of today, listen more carefully next time.
What dude, didn't see one.
He describes mass extortion like it's a good solution to injustice. Taxation is not the solution. No one is entitled to the fruits of another's labor. Otherwise, we're just slaves...in our case, to the majority.
We are. That us democracy but they says it's better than being a slave to someone unelected
So you're a marxist? Good comrade!
That's mostly a matter of phrasing.
When packaged as membership fees, and that more membership features cost more fees...
It fits.
The system doesn't run for free.
So you're a commie?
Then leave society. I'll keep enjoying hospitals, roads, public transportation, schools and emergency services.
Iron Law of Bureaucracy : All bureaucracies become more concerned with furthering their own existence, than with the problem for which they were created.
One minute in and this is already a therapy like i always thought this will be.
It would be my honor to design your next sport coat. I got out of my comfort zone because of your content. DJP, Thanks for what you do! It has helped me the last few yrs!
Wikipedia's strongest soldier
took a while to realize what I was reading. Then, burst out silent laughing trying to hold it in. Lex Friedman, Mr. Boneli.. Mr. Borrelli
According to Wikipedia.....😂
Dr Bornelli
😂😂
Its unreliable.
I don't think conservatives support big corporations anymore, either. Now I think conservatives view big corporations the same way they view big government. I mean as a self-described conservative, I certainly see it this way; the old paradigm has changed and presents me more as a libertarian, with a distrust of gigantism in any structure. Most conservatives I speak to admit to feeling this way as well. And now I see progressives as more likely to support big institutions to get their agendas done, no matter the price.
Oh dear.
Good morning,
It is certainly an interesting conversation.
Most of us know Dr. Peterson's background and what he brings to the table. We would be wise to ask what value his guest brings? Specifically, regarding politics...
Thanks for your time.
desTINY brings his love of cuckoldry
Destiny needs to get a haircut and a job 😂
He's the definition of a rich, millenial loser
...and grown up clothes.
He does need a haircut but he's a millionaire. This was a great debate between two highly intelligent people and I enjoyed hearing their interactions
@@valetudo1569 Destiny has a lot of smarts but very little wisdom.
I'd like to see the millions in your bank account.
Jordan Peterson Low Key wearing Grand Schema Monk Attire in a Suit Jacket.... It is Blessed!
Stop using clichés to do your communication for you.
@@KentBuchla Impossible to do, memes and cliches form culture, the culture forms the language. The English you use is a prime example, it's a meme propagated over time, making it a cliche, because it isn't your original thoughts it's actually all other people's ideas.
And destiny rolls up in sweatpants. What a mess!
@@KentBuchla Stop pretending you've created a single original thought in your head.
Well, clowns do sometimes dress the part.
As a life-long Conservative, I don't trust big Government OR big Corporations because they're in cahoots against the little guy/small business.
Good conversation
Please analyze his marraige views.
Don't subject Dr. Peterson to that kind of garbage!
I actually would be interested to see if they’ve changed since that whole fiasco.
@@Noplayster13He wasn't recommending open relationships to anyone even before the divorce.
a rare circumstance of 2 thought leaders of opposite political views and you want to turn it into Dr Phil episode to explore one man's personal marriage?
@@dyggas This point is tired and annoying. Yes he always put a disclaimer on his type of relationship not being for anyone. Yet this is good in theory, not in practice.
The guy is a popular streamer / influencer. He has a "job" that thousands of young, not experienced in life people would want which is playing video games and get paid a lot (and occasionally talk about stuff like politics, relationships, food, culture etc). They look at him and will want to mimic his lifestyle. It doesn't matter if he says for a thousand time that his type of relationship does not work for most people, because they will still mimic him.
More importantly the whole context behind this is the issue. He was promoting in a sense his relationship everywhere. On every redpill podcast he argues fiercely against them (with good arguments to be fair imo) with Melina by his side. They become like the Megan Markle and Prince Harry of internet for open relationships. Everyone loved it when they sticked it up to Jessie Lee Peterson. When Lex Fridman praised them on his podcast.
And fast forward to today we now find out as predicted that all of this was just an illusion.
I grew up in a low-income household and now not only have I stabilized economically, but also started to accumulate wealth in a rapid manner. It really just opened my eyes to how you just really have to fight for things, not whine about how your life is so difficult you cannot take an opportunity presented in front of you. I've seen people growing up in worse conditions and becoming CEOs... it's baffling for me to hear someone imply that because the rich have a broader margin for success the poor just have no chance
He never said "the poor just have no chance" othwerwise Destiny himself who was working class would not be rich now. He is just a naive person who belives in a mixed economy like free market with enough tax to help the poor
The problem with this argument, is that the tax money is not helping the poor. They use the tax payers money to "buy" countries and do and CREATE wars. And IM not just talking about Ukraine. Look up some supreme court videos, generals say they give weapons and trainings to african soldiers, and then they make coups, so they put a person in leading country positions, so basically the country is running as they want. And this is not a one time occurance. Also 2k14 ukraine, they put an American friendly PM to lead. No wonder russia gets upset.
Another IMPORTANT example : Nord stream 2 pipeline gets blown up ( the biggest CO2 catastrophy as well ). Its well known that is was blown up by US ( putin could just close the tap, not to mention you know something is fishy if they stay silent about this topic. So this move did put EU, Germany in a really bad situation regarding energy. After that US makes a deal, 20yr contract with Germany, that US will be shipping liquified gas, for extremely high Costs. It is interesting that Germany does not say a single Word, meanwhile in every country in EU they agricultural workers are "rioting". What does this suggest ? The EU does what US wants = the leaders are bought.
I think this might be the first time in his life Destiny understood his actual IQ. I'm not trying to bash him at all. I think he has some very salient points on certain topics, but having conversations with people that are more intelligent than you is very important for continual growth; I think Destiny really had one of those moments here. He's used to engaging with RUclips personalities without the experience, education, and intelligence to cogently argue and today is not one of those days.
The ending was just perfect
I’ve watched a few Destiny debates now it’s very clear when he’s losing and can’t back up his points he tries to shift to general meta and broad points about other people and other positions. Destiny would really benefit from enough humility to not talk about things he doesn’t know.
To me this looks more like a conversation, not someone losing or winning.
Yeah he tries to debate too many different topics. Makes him seem like a know it all that crams research the night before a big test. Except his tests are debates.
Lmao yea his talking about climate models when he's never even done a simple linear regression is wild 😂
...or just admit his preconceptions are wrong.
Its called "moving the goalpoasts"
He could donate his gain. He could start locally. He could put his philosophy into practice. “From one, to one”…. And see how that plays out. Then show us the results.
He already does charity
That ended much more abruptly than I anticipated, lol.
I love that shut down at the end.
The last seconds of this sums it up perfectly.
Sure, the church cant tax you or send you to jail, but they hold infinitely more power by convincing people that they can be sent to hell if they don't obey the church. Its embarrassing that the video ends this way tbh
It wasn't making money that changed him. It was making undeserved money. There's a big difference between business owners and streamers on the political front. This is why.
Nope
you're starting to sound like an "entitled leftist" there. Leftists use argument of "deserved money" to justify raising minimum wage since if you work hard, you DESERVE a certain amount of money. A conservative/capitalist point of view doesn't care about how hard you work. It's the product that your work produces that determines your income. And the value of that product is determined by the consumers. Destiny's consumers (audience) determined that his 'streaming' is a good product thus paid for his income. concept as deserved income doesn't have a place in someone adheres to the free market concept
streamers are MORE deserving than business owners who get rich by paying min wage and demanding hard work.
@@Stafusif you had even the slightest idea of how much work and responsibility there is in owning a business you’d delete your comment for seeing how imbecilic it is
@@Stafustell me you're 12 without telling me
This wasn't a debate it was a lesson from Dr P and an expose of how much Destiny should not be given a platform.
Why should he not be given a platform?
Because he is useless@@cranjismcbasketballisnothere
@@Ilovemusic793
If he is 'useless' then that is self evident. De-platforming people based on such things is erronous.
@@Ilovemusic793I don't think that's fair at all. So what if he's useless? It's not an excuse to get someone off a platform or censor them.
The final 5 seconds were GOLD
Jordan Peterson's got more patience than a hospital to deal with this guy
You call the ending there patience lol
Raising his voice and losing the argument consistently through out 🤣
@@MrGregglesClosing the argument? The only losing argument in this portion is destiny's dumb equivalence of a church with a government.
Peterson took Destiny to school particularly in regards to the covid tyranny. Destiny is naive and doesn’t see the Trojan horse of false virtue. Peterson knows his history and the psychological
literature in regards to this.
@@mikecheq45You guys are living in a world of your own haha
THE END hahahaha it’s like watching a adolescent speaking with an adult
It was a good debate between the two.... I don't think there is a need to refer to one as a child. Both did well to hold their own position and created some interesting dialogue
Yeah but they can’t tax, don’t have a military, & can’t throw you in jail!!! 🔥
Not sure how you come back from that… 🤣
Especially since JP was wrong. you tithe to your church and the Vatican works with military forces across the world.
@@frankstallone3864 comparing taxation to tithing is a false equivalency. The Vatican cannot use force of law to take your money or incarcerate you if you don't voluntarily give them your money. Implying the Vatican working with militaries is also incorrect, since many organizations work with militaries worldwide, therefore if the Vatican could do it other organizations have the potential to do it as well and thus it's not the Vatican itself that is the problem but the susceptibility of corruption in militaries that is the issue there.
@@frankstallone3864Child you’re confused.My tithes are for God/keeping the building up.And is completely voluntary.Don’t pay your taxes you’re going straight to booty bandit camp ⭕️👈🏿
That was a perfectly placed outro 😆
I'm a staunch conservative and I'm for reducing government AND big corporations .
Destiny at the end is me at 15 😂
Yep. Arrested development.
Both corporate and government overreach are bad, but at least with giant corporations we know they are primarily profit-driven. With government, we can't always discern their true motivations, especially knowing their historical track record. And corporations actually produce stuff, whereas government's role is merely redistributing the wealth of the private sector.
so schools, roads, rail, defense, water, public health, law etc etc, isn't producing anything ?
wow, what a small brain you must have.
Government is about using tax dollars to feed the private sector in such a way that the politicians get rich (back room deals) while producing just enough to keep the public happy enough to not revolt.
@@FelixVyraTheir motivations are almost as misty as a corrupt government.
That's not entirely accurate. Both government and corporations can also produce a lot of dead people, with government historically leading exponentially.
I don't care so much if someone has a lot of money as long as they obtained it legally and provided things people want and need. What I care about is someone who wishes to exert undue power over me. Only the government can do that to you.
He reveals his hand at the end. His belief in nothingness is his downfall. Jordan did an okay job revealing Destiny and his motivations. It was a nice conversation.
The thumbnail to this video reminds me so much of the Norman Rockwell painting where the dad is telling a young boy something he doesn’t want to hear.
The Destiny who listens and give feedback and ask questions is way better than the contrarian Destiny who is constantly looking for gotcha moments in a conversation. This is an eye opening conversation 🙌🏿
The Gotcha = “No Principles”; he’s projecting
Who are you to say a person is garbage? What do you mean to do with saying that?
@@acroamaticeeore lol yes kid, try to take the moral high ground defending the grifter who promotes ideas that have killed more people than anything else in human history.
@@acroamaticeeore just an internet troll, provides no evidence just his minuscule opinion.
@@jeetsom9659 cringe loser destiny fan LOL
The differences in posture, linguistics, delivery, ect. between these two is interesting. This is on top of the fact that destiny has weak, sophomoric arguments for his positions. Destiny is way out of his league in this discussion.
Destiny is the guy that thinks he is way smarter than he actually is.
I will say destiny is articulate and doesn't seem to care if someone insults him. He just pushes forward. But in general he just makes excuses for people and there quote an quote lifestyles
The smartest dummy
sounds like projection and cope
He’s definitely smarter than most people in the political sphere
I think he probably is very smart, as in high IQ, but intelligence doesn’t equal wisdom. The common trap fallen into by smart people…myself included.
One of my favorite discussions/debates on the internet right now due to the often well-reasoned back-and-forth, but I will admit that the last counterpoint went hard in one direction.
Heheehee… That last bit that Jordan said!! Lower the BOOM man!!!
I am so glad I watched to the very end 😂😂
I don't get it. What exactly happened at the end?.. Peterson made a distinction with respect to the very last thing Destiny brought up?
Are you sure? The full conversation was 30 minutes not 10.
@@Typhoon792Peterson pointed out why the left likes gigantism in government.
@@Typhoon792 Peterson was making the point that both sides of the argument come from a similar wariness of gigantic powers, the left of corporations and the right of government, and so they're concerns are grounded in a similar place. Destiny at the end of the clip, in a cheap attempt to deny that the right could hold any moral ground, was implying that the right couldn't be sincere in their beliefs because a portion of them support the Catholic church. The implication being that the church is somehow comparable to a "gigantic" government as they were calling them. Peterson than immediately listed the many ways in which that is totally untrue and completely irrelevant to the concerns of someone worried about an actual tyrannical government.
@@tyj5721 I understood what happened but I don't get how that warrants such a response, but thank you for taking the time.
Thank you Dr Jordan Peterson for dealing with dullards for us. Thank you for maintaining being a grown up for some us.
Destiny couldn't express nor lay out a point and back it up. Meanwhile, JP stated his points clearly, sharply and backed it up solidly. It's the difference between a man with his principles and another one without.
Grow ears. That is a childish take. JP contradicted himself at the end there
@@henriwilson505I don’t understand people who say JP contradicts himself when he out of all the right leaning pundits almost never does. Either people lack critical thinking or get lost in his responses.
We get it. You have a crush on JP. Thanks for letting us all know.
Jordan Peterson was emotionally spewing out loosely connected conspiracy theory’s like the entire time lmao
@@ken-vz3neNo you do and you are projecting that on a random person. His comment was in no way shape or form about his looks or any sexual attraction. You are very dirty minded and mean spirited.
The end is a mix drop!!! 🎤 😮
Not really. Especially in a historical context.
The way Peterson not only presents his own arguments effectively, but genuinely tries to understand the arguments of the other person, and waits to receive confirmation that he has summarised their arguments back to them correctly before challenging them is a rare thing. Most people when talking politically don’t care to understand the arguments of their opposition and so they end up arguing against phantoms and so they will always ‘win’ affirming their beliefs, they might as well be arguing with themselves.
If you were there when Destiny was just streaming Starcraft 2 and are here now you'll see what a change he has gone through. What a journey, for him to evolve like this. You can tell he has lots of respect for J.P
I still do not understand how this Destiny guy is seen as an intellectual (enough to be consistently interviewed by large channels). I watch many of the podcasts and shows which have recently invited him on and he is yet to impress me.
He's the intellectual a dying society deserves to have.
Destiny conflated anti THIS vax with anti ALL vax. A lot of leftists tend to do that.
It's absolutely frightening to see how little Mr Morelli knows about the medical intervention and his utter contempt of anyone who has a very informed differing opinion. "Nobody qualified" Ooof.
Bless his heart. He finds it easier to group people with whom he disagrees as “populist” followers of Trump vs conceding that well reasoned thinkers could have a well founded perspective other than his own.
Well that's a step up in discourse from "super evil na zi devil hi tlers"
LoL a guy advocating for taxes is wild.
I don't understand Dems when they want to give even more money to the government when they already waste it which is like giving a gambler more money to change his life lol
“Wanting poor children to have food is wild” no you’re just dumb
Love the very end.
catholic church doesn't tax you but it has tithing and the enforcement of that form of tax is shaming and social pressure from the tight religious circle of the local church. It is in everyway as powerful as any gigantic institution. why did you think it takes so long for victims of pedophilia to be vindicated in the church's recent history?
Thank you.
That last statement from Dr. Peterson summed it up perfectly on why I don't believe in big governments.
I love it when you analyze people’s religious (or lack thereof) views, not political. Political interests are like the human shit on the streets of San Francisco… they’re everywhere and it’s all gross
both are equally important and interconnected and pertinent to the issues we have as a society.
It’s set up as zero sum game.👍
The Catholic Church is not run by one guy.
Sure it is… Satan
@@Ruby_Villain Facts
@@Ruby_Villain isn't time for your nap?
@@Ruby_Villainran by Multitude of people to function a universal church.
@@leegrant7333 It’s not my issue that Catholics have given it up to Satan. Didn’t you just hear? They inited Trans in to be pastors, I believe.
Dr petersons got the drip. Looking slick
What Destiny is describing at first is what we have in France ! We are one of the most taxed countries in the world, but we have free healthcare, university is very cheap (approx 400€/year), and you can have it funded by the govt as well as a university flat if you can't afford it. I personally think it's great. I love living in a country where everyone gets a chance, regardless of their upbringing.
Destiny has knowledge from reading but Dr peterson has knowledge from reading and life experience analyzing real people
Destiny only reads wikipedia
And doing 100+ scientific research papers and teaching as a professor at top universities over the course of decades
How do you figure destiny hasn't analyzed real people throughout the 10+ years of political streaming?
@@widowsson8192why lie tho lol it's so weird
@agentotterpaw1042 what are you talking about??? Destiny himself has said several times that he only reads Wikipedia.
@7:30 " . .whether the left right divide is actually a reasonable way of construing the political landscape at all."
True. The real divide is libertarian V authoritarian. The Overton window is best understood as a diamond, with authoritarian at the top and libertarian at the bottom. Left and right only mean anything in the centre, extending out to the diamond's corners, but the higher or lower you go, the less difference between tyrants or among free people, left or right.
Thank you.
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That's actually a great description never heard it put that way
What claptrap!
i.e it's people with moral values and want everyone to strive to be better vs people without moral values and just want to live in a world of chaos
Who does your color balancing? Are you guys capturing in raw and then just posting it?
Brilliant.
Brought the best out of Jordan Peterson.
Love the jacket, Doc! 😎
I’m not going to sit through this whole clip… just to pick apart one thing he says… this idea that you need to first need to solve hunger in order to make education equal is nonsense; you are just making people dependent on handouts by changing their behavior, and there is always going to be some differentiator; school supplies, school uniform, after school programs… inner cities schools spend double what their suburban counterparts do because of all these wrap around services and it achieves nothing, its just graft for the service providers.
i think kids not being hungry is way more crucial and conducive to quality education than uniforms and afterschool programs bud
@@cokomishiI would actually love to see your logic for why a hungry child is worse than not having a uniform policy. I genuinely think taking away the biggest bullying tool i.e what someone looks like, helps children be more productive at school than say breakfast every day
@@cokomishiI hope you find a way to address people who you disagree with without condescension.
@@simonclarke8098 im not against uniform policy, it has its pros and cons. i just think that it cannot be compared in importance to food. kids not being hungry in class is HUGE. being hungry in class is torture, you won’t be able to focus on anything and you’ll feel sluggish/de-energized.
also I hate to say it, but uniforms aren’t even close to the end all be all of bullying lol. as someone who comes from a uniform school, as soon as people can’t call your clothes raggedy they’ll focus on how ugly you are or how socially awkward you are or how short/fat/skinny/dark-skinned/light-skinned you are. bullying is a constant that cannot be amended.
solving hunger outweighs uniforms big time
@@cokomishi I'm British so I'm fully aware that uniform limits bullying but of course doesn't remove it. I also rarely ate breakfast, as an adult I continue to only eat a meal a day. Unless the child is genuinely starving so mental exhaustion is present, hunger is a challenge sure but I disagree it's the biggest barrier.. appreciate you taking the time to reply.
Those last seconds - total smackdown
“Don’t transfer loyalty to ideology, to money, to party, to friends, all of these things are outside of the core of your reality” - Terence McKenna.
Don’t allow your dogma to become stronger than your ability to reason.
Thanks for the comments, I really didn’t want to watch Destiny talk for 10 mins…that ending was all I needed 😂😂😂
He said MAGA 10 times… made no sense…he was speaking fast to sound smart…good luck w that bozo
It's always irritates me when I come across someone who mistakes speaking extremely fast for wit. It's unbearable.
I think that is just his style of communication. Attack his message not his humanity.
He has to say MAGA ten times fast in a mirror while spinning around, or Orange Man Bad will personally visit him, come dark, under the bed. It’s the new paranormal ritual popular with the young and dumb 😝
@@LeginMan we attack his message because its polished with literal word vomit
and you pointed out something pretty irrelevant to sound dumb... Nice one, bozo
The fact that we have to see labels informing us about climate change on all online content around the subject before accessing it, says a lot.
I am a conservative, and I don't like giants, corporate or governmental.
2007s Too Big to Fail meant TOO BIG
we never did trust corporations. We just trusted someone who just wanted our money more than someone who wanted to control every aspect of our lives.
It always boils down to 2 things Gods way or satans way. When you get past all the deceptions and ideology it comes dow to 2 things, the secular will always go for the things they desire, the Godly will go for the greater good
Then why do the Godly get it so WRONG from time to time? Also, why does it HAVE to be "God's Way" or "Satan's Way"? Why can't it just be rational and irrational?
@@sigmacademy@sigmacademy are you then demanding everyone have instant perfect knowledge of everything once they have faith. Do you make mistakes?