In a sense he also implies that we need a livelihood "unfortunately", but inwardly he underlines that he doesnt mind if its suceesfull or not. In the Krishnamurti schools a cleaner is equally appriciated as everybody else and in fact the students even participate in cleaning forexample. So he recognises that one needs a livelihood but he implies something much deeper here
In reality, we are not in mere livelihood, we are in need of 'decent', 'dignified', or 'prosperous' livelihood. JK might not even chose when he has to obtain them.
I did just that...my sister and I took our jackets and walked out of our home after my mother and father died. It has been a rollercoaster ride ever since. But and a beeg but. We survived the turmoil, but unfortunately it got to my sister after 20years. But I have learnt one thing as my mother would say. Other people's Grace is usually a Grace from Hell...in other words people take from U more than they are willing to offer. Actually I discovered giving is ugly, it is better to SHARE than to give. Cos, the expectations are too survere and expectations are too damning, one suffers much from those encounters especially if it's from people who are Religious bigots... Cos, they love coming back at one to condemn one for no rhyme or reason...it is really the results of giving that they have the power and upper hand to condemn people less fortunate, it is just how it is, just the way of the World unfortunately so...😮
I fully understand, and it happened countless times with me. The ending of this disappointment is: We have to take full responsibility. If someone helps, we always have to stay responsible for the outcome. And vice versa: If we want to help someone, we have to consider whether we really want to help him or whether we secretly want to get something in return. ❤
@@traudilepse4251When one gives unconditionally it is actually more like them sharing themselves, their true self. I think what the original commenter means is that 'giving' becomes more about a process of demanding things from others. 'Sharing' has an openness to it and there is not attention drawn to events, objects, and capabilities but instead attention can be drawn to the people's own selves and the Life and Love that brings them together, that creates the experience. Sharing has an emphasis on the appreciation for what already truly is.
He's talking about psychological conflicts. He has no problems because he has no psychological conflicts. Of course, as he himself said, he needs food, clothing and shelter, but he does not make these material needs a psychological problem. Some people have "everything", but are still unhappy: psychological conflicts, which can only be dispelled with self-knowledge, with understanding one's own mind.
@@pushparahi5681 I observe my own mind. I do not direct my thoughts. It is not necessary because thoughts have their own "autonomous movement". I simply observe them, without trying to strengthen them, but also without trying to weaken them. Thoughts "have a life of their own". If you do this, you may notice that your suffering or craving for pleasure diminishes. This observation should be "integral", without assigning words and without analysis. This is more or less what I do.
JK's life is a living example of how a person can be satisfied with his life without anyone or any material things in life. Well that's what I learned from him at least. And JK thanks for existing before me and sharing the peace you found with the world.
@@pleasesave5948 Hi , most of our activities are result driven, when outcome is not as per expectation, we dismayed so the question is can we live with our being constantly not glued to desired results , more so , psychologically.
He had money, he had food, he had a nice home he had everything a rich man would have but he knew it was not his. He claimed no possession to any of it and there is freedom in that. Not saying “mine”
When physical needs transforms into psychological needs creating an illusion which is totally fake, when this is mine emerges and from that mine I, we come to conclusion of shifting of thoughts from a totally physical to psychological aspect, so that we than watch the mind so that it doesn't have the time to change. This is real discipline and is called real "Dhayana" the core of meditation
JK is cute as a child, learned, unique style of teaching, comical etc. Every great teacher I have come across, 4-5 of them, is unique. JK ji is logical. SN Goenka ji has his own style, Osho, Shivani ji. Acharya Prashant is with us In India ... is excellent. Shivani ji is good but there are gaps. I am satisfied with AP, he is giving us what we want ... complete understanding. Thank you AP Sir.
this makes me wonder if many other people could see the truth of this and died on the street somewhere, completely unheard of. he was fortunate that people looked after him. i believe they did this because they wanted to gain his wisdom. or perhaps, if one lets go in this way, things just work out. there's only one way to truly find out, i suppose.
In a sense he also implies that we need a livelihood "unfortunately", but inwardly he underlines that he doesnt mind if its suceesfull or not. In the Krishnamurti schools a cleaner is equally appriciated as everybody else and in fact the students even participate in cleaning forexample
Krishnamurti was a very cleaver mind, but it seems very easy to say "it's ok not to have a sheleter" whereras this man always was sustained by followers to give him all he needed.
I love everything about the video, especially the music that was added. I’m not usually a fan of background music in videos like this, but for some reason, this melody really emphasized everything he said. Thank you for this.
Yes, guys, its normal to not care when yoh are 70-80-90 years old, and in any moment you can die. I would like to know if he felt the same when he was 30. I dont think
Yes, he lived that way at that time also (according to the diaries and so on...). Also, i can share that i i'm 32 years old, and living this way also. It is strange, but it is possible. There is no need for an "ego" in daily life, nor for an image about Oneself.
JK was groomed to be made as the spiritual head of the Order of the Star of the East by Annie Besant of the theosophical society. But JK later rejected this position and left the organisation. He really didn't care much for anything, though things came his way
Its not that you don't care about life, relationships or making a living, Its the metal process he is talking about, When we expect and desire outcomes in our minds, its creates conflict and suffering. We can live creatively without attachment to a certain outcome.
This is easy to say if you have a foundation taking care of your every need..his people had money and he benefited from it..sometimes K makes me wonder about his teachings...
First time im seeing JK joke worked out very well 🤩. But the solution he gave afterwards seem not sounding to gathering and mere simple, ordinary. In fact he might have no Fear and have won it. But how people will conceive and realize what that was when their whole life is controlled by fear and fear of the future.
You must keep up with your duties, because if you fail with them, how are you supposed to lead a good life? Because of this, many times advice given to monks or people who have renounced family life is not literally applicable to people in charge of a family. However, in this case I think if you have faith in God (or Life, etc.) and you do each day what you need to do (you are not negligent towards your duties), you can live in complete confidence towards what is to come, "not minding what could happen", trusting that whatever it is, God will help you, and even in the worst case you will have done what was possible to you, so you can accept it and offer any pains that you or your family suffer to God.
He means that suffering comes from demands, so first step i would say is becoming aware of our constant demands , then gradually they will vanish and some day we might become like him, not demanding anything from anyone nor from life, and his is peace.
Miss him? Why? Is it because he (or his teachings) has become another escape? Aren't his teachings just pointers to something that may be actual, real, or profound?
there is a whole reality he has not allowed himself to experience beyond enlightenment thats why he died so early he thought he figured it out and did not allow himself to want more
I have thought about adding music to the talks and dialogues of K too, no offense but here I feel music will distract the following of listeners to his talk, because what he talked not something for entertainment.
If he were alive today in his body, i would have asked him. Food shelter and clothing were his needs- true. But he has no expectations... that is strange. Even an ant goes in search of some food . Nobody gives it to therm. So even an ant expects food to be found. In his case, followers do donate money, which is earned by them and then donated. That is why he has the time to think and say these things. He couldn't have sat on a chair saying he has no expectation , and then live hungry. He will surely get up and look for some food and he will expect food.
In a sense he also implies that we need a livelihood "unfortunately", but inwardly he underlines that he doesnt mind if its suceesfull or not. In the Krishnamurti schools a cleaner is equally appriciated as everybody else and in fact the students even participate in cleaning forexample. So he recognises that one needs a livelihood but he implies something much deeper here
In reality, we are not in mere livelihood, we are in need of 'decent', 'dignified', or 'prosperous' livelihood. JK might not even chose when he has to obtain them.
The canned laughter is awful!
Perfectly summarized the video, wise words that only few seem to want to hear.
He is the Boss
I did just that...my sister and I took our jackets and walked out of our home after my mother and father died. It has been a rollercoaster ride ever since. But and a beeg but. We survived the turmoil, but unfortunately it got to my sister after 20years. But I have learnt one thing as my mother would say. Other people's Grace is usually a Grace from Hell...in other words people take from U more than they are willing to offer. Actually I discovered giving is ugly, it is better to SHARE than to give. Cos, the expectations are too survere and expectations are too damning, one suffers much from those encounters especially if it's from people who are Religious bigots... Cos, they love coming back at one to condemn one for no rhyme or reason...it is really the results of giving that they have the power and upper hand to condemn people less fortunate, it is just how it is, just the way of the World unfortunately so...😮
Here are still people who give unconditionally although they seem to be part of a minority.❤
wow, this is new
I fully understand, and it happened countless times with me.
The ending of this disappointment is: We have to take full responsibility.
If someone helps, we always have to stay responsible for the outcome.
And vice versa: If we want to help someone, we have to consider whether we really want to help him or whether we secretly want to get something in return.
❤
@@traudilepse4251When one gives unconditionally it is actually more like them sharing themselves, their true self. I think what the original commenter means is that 'giving' becomes more about a process of demanding things from others. 'Sharing' has an openness to it and there is not attention drawn to events, objects, and capabilities but instead attention can be drawn to the people's own selves and the Life and Love that brings them together, that creates the experience. Sharing has an emphasis on the appreciation for what already truly is.
Powerful comment. Let there be peace.
Complete and unconditional surrender as he stated so many times. It is true Bhakti known as Para Bhakti.
He's talking about psychological conflicts. He has no problems because he has no psychological conflicts. Of course, as he himself said, he needs food, clothing and shelter, but he does not make these material needs a psychological problem. Some people have "everything", but are still unhappy: psychological conflicts, which can only be dispelled with self-knowledge, with understanding one's own mind.
How do you solve or look at the psychological problems of fear and pain ?
@@pushparahi5681 I observe my own mind. I do not direct my thoughts. It is not necessary because thoughts have their own "autonomous movement". I simply observe them, without trying to strengthen them, but also without trying to weaken them. Thoughts "have a life of their own". If you do this, you may notice that your suffering or craving for pleasure diminishes. This observation should be "integral", without assigning words and without analysis. This is more or less what I do.
@@pushparahi5681 I don't normally recommend like this, but I found that his books speak even more than these talks.
@@pushparahi5681A short (and possibly the only) answer is, you figure it out.
The only wealth there is, knowing yourSELF
He was a real human being who actually deserved to be a world teacher and leader.
??? He WAS a teacher...and a leader.
"seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you"
This is from 1977 Ojai Talk2: Source of Conflict
JK's life is a living example of how a person can be satisfied with his life without anyone or any material things in life. Well that's what I learned from him at least.
And JK thanks for existing before me and sharing the peace you found with the world.
"I don't demand anything from life."
"I don't mind what happens"
We need to practice this .
That's the best line he ever said in his life.
@@International-indic. nope he has said many great lines but this one hits me hard
If you pracitce it, you're already minding.
Lol.
If you are not practicing it you are minding more.
Mind is madness.@@johanliebert5781
I don't mind if I do
This man... A jewel. A pure, beautiful jewel. No one like him since (unfortunately). We need more people like this in the world today.
Life takes care of life.
When he says I don't mind what I understand is he is not anxious or worried for the outcome.🙏
what outcome?
@@pleasesave5948 Hi , most of our activities are result driven, when outcome is not as per expectation, we dismayed so the question is can we live with our being constantly not glued to desired results , more so , psychologically.
@@transformationnowornever with practice and understanding why not?
I did not notice the music but I absorbed every word he said thank you so much
The most beautiful video I have ever seen. 🌌
easier said than done, especially when you have a family... But I like him.
🙏🏻
He had money, he had food, he had a nice home he had everything a rich man would have but he knew it was not his. He claimed no possession to any of it and there is freedom in that. Not saying “mine”
Idam na mama!
When physical needs transforms into psychological needs creating an illusion which is totally fake, when this is mine emerges and from that mine I, we come to conclusion of shifting of thoughts from a totally physical to psychological aspect, so that we than watch the mind so that it doesn't have the time to change. This is real discipline and is called real "Dhayana" the core of meditation
Shiv’ s freedom
Thank you, Jiddu. Blessed be the beautiful soul behind these words.
An eye opener one.
JK is cute as a child, learned, unique style of teaching, comical etc. Every great teacher I have come across, 4-5 of them, is unique. JK ji is logical. SN Goenka ji has his own style, Osho, Shivani ji. Acharya Prashant is with us In India ... is excellent. Shivani ji is good but there are gaps. I am satisfied with AP, he is giving us what we want ... complete understanding. Thank you AP Sir.
Fyi Acharya prashant is stupid as a human can be. He just aggressively quotes. And speaks nothing that sounds novel
"he is giving us what we want" I'd be very cautious and skeptical of that.
this makes me wonder if many other people could see the truth of this and died on the street somewhere, completely unheard of. he was fortunate that people looked after him. i believe they did this because they wanted to gain his wisdom. or perhaps, if one lets go in this way, things just work out. there's only one way to truly find out, i suppose.
I think it’s a privilege to thinks of all these thinks cuz a person born in poor family needs to provide for himself and his family
In a sense he also implies that we need a livelihood "unfortunately", but inwardly he underlines that he doesnt mind if its suceesfull or not. In the Krishnamurti schools a cleaner is equally appriciated as everybody else and in fact the students even participate in cleaning forexample
Music is so disturbing in the background !
Krishnamurti was a very cleaver mind, but it seems very easy to say "it's ok not to have a sheleter" whereras this man always was sustained by followers to give him all he needed.
This is deep. Simple. Yet deeper than the oceans.
stop ruining talks with cheesy music. talks require silence and space, as well as words and messages
Music enhanced it to depth.. which ur mind lost
@@International-indic.Your mind is lost in the music.
No, the music is nothing more than a disturbance and detracts from this legend’s words.
The music is shit here
@bjb0808 Then create your own videos. What do you achieve by complaining?
please provide full link of this public talk
ruclips.net/video/Kk-fPPTCQVw/видео.htmlsi=DffwgviGv25PZcJX
m.ruclips.net/video/ZWOVfIJuClA/видео.html&pp=ygUtS3Jpc2huYW11cnRpIG9qYXkgMTk3NyB0aGUgc291cmNlIG9m
m.ruclips.net/video/ZWOVfIJuClA/видео.html&pp=ygUtS3Jpc2huYW11cnRpIG9qYXkgMTk3NyB0aGUgc291cmNlIG9m
Thank you.
Please provide link of the full video of this talk
ruclips.net/video/ZWOVfIJuClA/видео.html
Ojai, 1977 titled- the source of conflict
ruclips.net/video/Kk-fPPTCQVw/видео.htmlsi=DffwgviGv25PZcJX
m.ruclips.net/video/ZWOVfIJuClA/видео.html&pp=ygUtS3Jpc2huYW11cnRpIG9qYXkgMTk3NyB0aGUgc291cmNlIG9m
It's hard to hear through the music
Thank you
Beautiful.
I love everything about the video, especially the music that was added. I’m not usually a fan of background music in videos like this, but for some reason, this melody really emphasized everything he said. Thank you for this.
Same..
❤ Thank You 🙏
Thanks again 😊
So your role. Whatever that is. Do it fully.
Full video link?
🙏🙏🕉
🕉️? WHAT IS THIS?
Yes, guys, its normal to not care when yoh are 70-80-90 years old, and in any moment you can die.
I would like to know if he felt the same when he was 30. I dont think
Yes, he lived that way at that time also (according to the diaries and so on...). Also, i can share that i i'm 32 years old, and living this way also. It is strange, but it is possible. There is no need for an "ego" in daily life, nor for an image about Oneself.
JK was groomed to be made as the spiritual head of the Order of the Star of the East by Annie Besant of the theosophical society. But JK later rejected this position and left the organisation. He really didn't care much for anything, though things came his way
Its not that you don't care about life, relationships or making a living, Its the metal process he is talking about, When we expect and desire outcomes in our minds, its creates conflict and suffering. We can live creatively without attachment to a certain outcome.
Realisation happened to him when he was about 27 years
Not OK when u realize the stark reality : " There is no free lunch in this world "
06/07/2024
Sometimes they feel as if they have created their own little comfort zone, and now they're telling us things that they could do if they were in our place.
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Subtitle required ( bad sound/music mix)
Why this music behind ? Try to understand what he says , not want to listen to music !
What is the name of this talk? I would like to find the full video. :-)
Ojai 1977 the source of conflict
@@RobertLouisMoore Thank you!
This is easy to say if you have a foundation taking care of your every need..his people had money and he benefited from it..sometimes K makes me wonder about his teachings...
I agree with you and I think this is secret as he had foundation to help him out so obviously it is easy for him
I agreee
Tell this to a homeless person living on the streets@@TikaHemrom
❤🙏😘
Why did you put loud music 😢
What happens to those who depend on you then?
Please quote from where you took this excerpt.
bro you did great job how we can original full vedio
People..,World's most waiting video from Krishnamurti. 😀😁😄😆😅🤣😉😊🥰😍🤩😘👏🏼🙏🏾😊
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It’s not about making livelihood.. it’s about creating things for all to make things easy for all. If say farmer doesn’t do farming ?
U can do, dont depend on him.forage , etc
Which talk is this from
Ojai, 1977 titled- the source of conflict
ruclips.net/video/ZWOVfIJuClA/видео.htmlsi=zx9W0OEHkcL4Tueg
What is Krishnamurti wearing around his neck it looks like a crystal or gem, hanging at the level of his anahata chakra?
Mic 🎤
Appreciable ❤😊
First time im seeing JK joke worked out very well 🤩. But the solution he gave afterwards seem not sounding to gathering and mere simple, ordinary. In fact he might have no Fear and have won it. But how people will conceive and realize what that was when their whole life is controlled by fear and fear of the future.
I dont mind the annoying music )))
Does this change if one has a family, children? He once told a friend, “Make the money you need.”
He doesn't mind if he would be successful or unsuccessful ...
You must keep up with your duties, because if you fail with them, how are you supposed to lead a good life? Because of this, many times advice given to monks or people who have renounced family life is not literally applicable to people in charge of a family. However, in this case I think if you have faith in God (or Life, etc.) and you do each day what you need to do (you are not negligent towards your duties), you can live in complete confidence towards what is to come, "not minding what could happen", trusting that whatever it is, God will help you, and even in the worst case you will have done what was possible to you, so you can accept it and offer any pains that you or your family suffer to God.
Well, he's a lot humbler than OSHO with his Rolls Royce's 😂
No-thing exists. So no Rolls Royce´s existed. That is the teaching!
Osho was a bussiness man in robes,
Can someone tell me what he meant actually and what he was referring to?
I'm uneducated here. I read all comments but I can't comprehend what he said.
He means that suffering comes from demands, so first step i would say is becoming aware of our constant demands , then gradually they will vanish and some day we might become like him, not demanding anything from anyone nor from life, and his is peace.
How is this peace @@marjorie6021
Do your best..dont mind about the result..u cant loose all the time..if u do it faithfully..
I do mind if it's human creation and philosophy.
Yes I do mind .
Why the hell you need to add that irritating background music when he is speaking words of such wisdom.
I miss you
Miss him? Why? Is it because he (or his teachings) has become another escape? Aren't his teachings just pointers to something that may be actual, real, or profound?
@@myu2ub yes sir or mam you are correct. He is nobody, unimportant person. I don’t miss him anymore.
विडियो के पीछे बजने वाले मिजुक का लिंक भेजिएगा please sir
How did he live then ??, food and travel ?
He was taken care of by his close friends and followers. Many of whom were quite affluent.
@@kozmicblues7758than why he except us to live a mindless life
as if now we are living meaningful life by having a lot of wars all over the world@@BhuvanAchari
Now go to U G Krishnamurti. When you are ready to have your mind blown.
there is a whole reality he has not allowed himself to experience beyond enlightenment thats why he died so early he thought he figured it out and did not allow himself to want more
I think he was 90 bro
@@Spreadingwingsmine when you become enlightened your body stops aging and you can live for 1000+ years
@@aohjii bro i want what you are having sounds like fun... too strong
@@KINGJUNAIDKHAN007 Nailed it!!! 😜😂😮🤣
There is no reality beyond enlightenment, and not here either. It’s all a dream.
can't listen, music is too distracting
I don't mind what happen because.... I don't have to work... well the rest of the rest of do J, so we fear.
why did you put stupid music through the talk.totaly ruined it
Music is awful
I have thought about adding music to the talks and dialogues of K too, no offense but here I feel music will distract the following of listeners to his talk, because what he talked not something for entertainment.
Only K
I demand stop adding irritating background music
Demanding, irritated, some good things to focus on;)
Decent bloke but talked himself into a corner with that one.
If you don't mind what happens, it means that you're not mindful. *ba-dum-ts*
hmm... there are many ongoing wars all over the world right now due to mindful people
If he were alive today in his body, i would have asked him. Food shelter and clothing were his needs- true. But he has no expectations... that is strange. Even an ant goes in search of some food . Nobody gives it to therm. So even an ant expects food to be found. In his case, followers do donate money, which is earned by them and then donated. That is why he has the time to think and say these things. He couldn't have sat on a chair saying he has no expectation , and then live hungry. He will surely get up and look for some food and he will expect food.