How does the mind become quiet? | J. Krishnamurti
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How does the mind become quiet? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the fourth talk in New York, 1971.
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So basically mind is quite already.. it is your thoughts, your desires, your likings which are disturbing it. Leave youself behind for a sec take a deep breath and here it is.
OH you put that so well
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The mind is quiet but it can absorb or receive energies from the surroundings. If you are in a negative atmosphere automatically your mind turns into such a negative mode how hardly you try to be positive still negative thoughts generate automatically like anger, doubtful questions, hate such kind of mixed emotions may arise. Humans already lost individuality and humanity long ago .
I mean you are quiet by nature, the mind then arrives in with all manners of thoughts and shit
@@bibinkrishnan5 no, you are on a different topic. Go somewhere alone then. U are twisting what he says I don't see how come u don't see what ur saying, u make sense but ur missing the point and is no longer relevant at all.
I was reading a book written about Bruce Lee, and he was a philosophy major in college. His favorite philosopher was K, which brought me to this great man.
Wow 😲 i heard somewhere Bruce was pointing him out
If you are walking through a crowded shopping centre, and you have to navigate from one end to the other, with people, young and old, walking in all directions.
Are you assessing every person around you?
Such as -
This person is good looking.
This person is a troublemaker.
This person is a different race.
This person isn't looking where they are going.
Or maybe just running over the things you want to buy.
All this is thinking.
What happens if your intention is simply to find the exit, without bumping into someone?
If you just OBSERVE your necessary physical route.
Does that process of OBSERVATION require thinking?
You have an immediate obstacle and you have to get past it.
Such as -
OBSERVATION indicates that you have to sidestep this way or that way, it is so simple, it doesn't require thinking does it?
So now - Your INTENTION to move carefully is communicated to the people approaching you - they instinctively understand and are in agreement with you.
You are not flirting, you are not challenging, you are not assessing others.
You are observing and letting the observations be your guide.
You are awake.
BUT the comfort of familiarity is no longer there.
Because what you are doing is entirely NEW, you have never navigated that actual route before.
If you do assess others, can you just observe this assessment, in the same way that you observe your movement through the crowd?
Is there thinking in observation?
IS OBSERVATION TOTAL?
With no accumulation of knowledge.
There is no knowledge that can help you with the next navigation.
You don't require more information.
This action doesn't contain the drama of trying to achieve something - so endless thinking is not necessary.
This process is open to everyone, it doesn't require a special faculty.
The mind has to be awake and the body has to be agile.
But the entertained mind has to take a back seat.
The serious and careful mind, doing the navigation, is quiet.
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Just as OBSERVATION of your route brings TOTAL resolution.
Similar OBSERVATION of your 'passing problems' also brings TOTAL resolution.
You step immediately in the right direction.
Similarly you know immediately what to do with the passing psychological challenges.
Being Careful assures this.
This is a very clear example of observation (not- thinking). Thank you! I will borrow it, if I may. 🙏
This comment is worth sharing further. I intend to publish it on Quora, as part of my answer to a question on overthinking. I will leave a link to that. Thank you.
You explained it perfectly))) I observed this in my life. It is true, have a nice day
Why so much care about all this and why so much of thinking & nomenclature in the name of making oneself quiet? The very simple solution of everything is if one can completely understand that there is nothing yours in this world, you came alone, will be going alone, need not to fear anything, anyone, nor a seeker or a teacher, nor a thinker or observer, may be just a traveller.
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Understanding the process of understanding applies to everything that you do, even just remembering to reply to a letter, because remembering what needs doing - - brings order.
This whole process brings order into your life.
Order removes disturbance.
When you are not disturbed then your mind will be quieter.
When your mind is quiet and you know how to understand then you will not be frightened.
You can observe what is happening RIGHT NOW and know what to do.
Once I watched this amazing man and watched and listened to his words with every sense - changed my life completely. I am so glad my path led me to his wisdom 15 years ago and it was Alan Watts mentioning his name that brought me to this Saint 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️❤️💕💕💕💕
Absolutely
Practically what did you change after listening to him that changed your life?.....thanks !!!
The mind can become quite if one fully understands each and every thought, to understand means to take the power of the thoughts away. Then comes the quite mind.
Nobody can describe the quiet state not even Kris, because you are not there in that quiet state. You are the present, the whole. Such a marvelous creation from the creator
Yes, you are the presence. When you are present, then mind can't be still.
Nobody can experience the quiet state because your self is not in that stillness therefore there is no experience or experiencer...peace that passeth all understanding.
Kris has touched that,but truth cannot be told,it can only be experienced.for example a person who had not seen yellow colour in his life, can't be explained what yellow colour is.,until he himself sees it.
The more you are present and focused the more still your mind will be aligning with you.
True and i have also felt it
Whenever I feel agitated I just have to listen to any of Kay's talks and my mind goes quiet. We don't have to try to listen. Just listen.
That's wht i do too. but listen again we both r taking refuge in him same as other people let's say in Gods, people, movies. we become the same as other. there is something else he is saying that is clear as day but yet we both don't understand.
@@mayankrathi505 Meditate in quiet consistently.
Mayank Rathi. I understand what you say. If we listen once, we should get it and not continue to go back for "help" For me, I think that our minds have been so conditioned, and listening to Kay is like reconditioning, getting council.
And that's the truth 🙏🤲👏
Thankyou J.K❤
The first step is the last step... So Great
The art of non-doing opens the understanding of the self at levels never known prior and is a beautiful journey to infinity.
The mind should not be in conflict.
This is wisdom.
After hours of listening to you Sir I am a changed person,at peace with myself.
a treasure map of silence, beautiful. Thank you so much.
Awe ❤
This is actually very very simple
Every word that comes out of JK is like a diamond saw. It takes a diamond to cut diamonds 💎. Really grateful for these uploads to be available for free.. such teachings are supposed to be taught in schools 🏫
you can also use water, be water my friend.
Undeniable facts🥰
This is beauty. This is so true and powerful. This is full of love. Transformational
have you try it?
What I take from this, and my own personal observations working on myself, that the more aware we become of our contexts and nature, and begin to come aware of our patterns and nature of thought process, the more we are able to distance from them, as they appear like continuous recycling of experiences in various combinations, giving rise to imagination and uncontrolled thinking process at times.
But realizing how long it has been going on, and no existential purpose served with these years of imagination and contemplation, forces one to understand that, are my thoughts really mine at all (or is it what i have seen and heard from outer world and applying my own remixes on?).
This view has made me a little not so appreciative of my thinking process as I once was, and I do find myself in more peaceful state quite frequently. But what to say, the life continues, so does the journey to make ourselves grow and evolve.
The teacher of the world !
There it is. Absorbed
He blows away all the years of conditioning if we can really listen carefully
The quietness comes unto you and into you subtle as the wind and more delicate than a feather.
"the first step is the last step" this represents, the first step in watching our thoughts, then it will end, because you just need that!
When you are in the flow , there is no me and the thought repeats itself.There is a beauty there.Can there be any state beyond this state?
Yes, it appears reasonable to expect the quality of the stream of consciousness to differ when the ‘I’ narration is not running.
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As long conflict & question & query existing 👍
may' that' be', too all.
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My brain hurts I need more neurons for this teacher
No, they just need to fire less. Believe me.
@@abhirama lol good point
No not more less thinking
That means you create the image
He is just speaker
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The pain of the MASTER
Our mind is always naturally quiet..only our will, desire and to achieve things mind becomes garbage.
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Mr. Jiddu Krishnamurti often repeated his talks is one should neither follow any teacher and including follow JK himself. Allright, I will not consider him as a teacher however great and very, very extraordinary he is but I always consider him as my own father. May I? I think this is the foundation of his most profound form of understanding actually what is, which that there is no difference one of each other amongst of us but actually we are human beings, unified whole. 🙏🏻
True, he is father
He is a prophet, a man of truth
Woooww!
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I used to practice Transcendental Meditation. I could after much practice rid my mind of all thoughts. It was like a sonic boom when "transcending" out of constant thoughts. That's the best way to describe it and then coming into a state of bliss on the other side.
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Quiet the mind by seeking Him above all else
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You should and must control and boss your mind, so the mind won't control and boss you. The mind can be a loyal servant or a brutal master.
Yet, master your mind and treat it gently and lovingly like you would with your lover, because the mind can grant you the most amazing experiences, wilder and stronger and more wonderful and profound than you can possibly imagine.
0:26 giving it a border, a frontier.
When you understand misery, then mind will quite.
Incredibly deep comment…
@Tripti Mehra similar to how you fall asleep. You don't seek to fall asleep, right? The moment you seek to fall asleep, you can't fall asleep. If you seek something, then you are necessarily stating that you don't have it or that you are not that. So you let sleep happen to you. Now, if it isn't obvious, what Krishnamurti is stating is more complex than sleeping.
If you haven't tried it yet, do the wim hof breathing that you can find on youtube. When wim hof states "10 more left", you do your very best to breathe as hard as possible :) Then you just let yourself "fall asleep" into this lucidity without trying to understand it. Your body understands it and can deal with it, so you let it take care of that, the same your body understands how to fall asleep without your help.
There will be an increase of awareness of your body with this exercise, but only momentarily. What you want to do, is to learn how to become more aware, whether it is your body or your mind. This may include stretching and/or physical exercise, eating like you care about yourself and/or others, always being loving/caring whenever love is in you, and so on. If you think of each of these as activating awareness to some degree, then what you end up with is your whole body's intelligence becoming active at once. Let's say you accidentally fall into cold water, then a part of your body becomes aware, perhaps one you had no idea or had forgotten that you had and that you could be aware of - or you could be threatened be a person with a weapon and your nervous system wakes up. My point is that there is a whole lot to you then just your thoughts and impulses.
Okay, this will be tricky, but the more aware you become, the harder it gets to stop being distracted by your thoughts and impulses. It will be like riding a bicycle never having learned how to do it :) You will keep falling over and over again. But you must keep getting on it, and always trying to be aware of your awareness, as often as possible. The more awareness in your body, and the more it is tamed, the more intelligence you will have to use. Now then, if you, while being very aware, try to just sink into reality, as if falling asleep, you will notice that there is a place or direction where your mind is not used to going. It might even feel nauseating (at first) but also familiar, and alike to falling asleep where your body may jerk suddenly like feeling a bolt of electricity, your body will have a resistance to becoming one with the entirety of your awareness. So you want to sink into this awareness, and not seek it, but just align yourself to it. If you manage to do it, you will feel like you are truly the owner of your body and mind, and if you can be on top of this, then you will find happiness in this state. There's more to this, but if you get this far, then it will happen by itself.
Always pay attention to what your mind is doing on auto-pilot, and whenever you lose control of yourself and go into auto-pilot whether you enter incessant streams of thoughts or go into emotional states. Can't you stop yourself? Isn't that a sign perhaps that you are crazy and perhaps unhealthy? Wouldn't a healthy mind be able to stop all that? :)
I write all of this, but it's hard for me personally to keep this up in a consistent manner because of my current occupation. The more distractions in life, the harder it gets to achieve. A routine that makes you feel good is always an advantage - remove all that which distracts and puts you in auto-pilot if you are serious about this. Once you have had some practice with awareness, you may listen to Krishnamurti again, and perhaps then, you will realize that you recognize that Krishnamurti is trying to say more than what he possible is able to. How do you speak about something that language doesn't allow to be spoken of? Good luck and take care~
Edit: a tip could be to attempt to go vegan. What will happen is that you will enlarge your circle of care to be more than just humans: you will include animals and nature. Another thing that happens is that you gain control of your actions whereas your actions will be consciously aligned with your morals in all possible situations of life rather than fragmented/contradictory. You will then understand all types of opression and violence. A third thing could be that your health will improve during that first and/or second year. Krishnamurti didn't eat animals, and while I don't know if he was vegetarian or vegan, it really doesn't matter because he had appropriated his own morals and not adopted them from the society he was born into.
@Tripti Mehra Observe, don't think. Observe the thoughts coming to you in the present moment.
It really is as K says
Realizing the observer is the observed, the seperation between subject and object... And it dissolves
How does one realize this? (observer is the observed)
Pls advise
@@alias9487 their is real despite thoughts that is not thought no shape no object that know
@@alias9487 in another video of krishnamurti: J. Krishnamurti - Saanen 1978 - Public Talk 1 - The structure of self-centred concern
@@alias9487 When he speaks about mirror and identifying processes, as always a deep sensitive experience.
Still mind 👍
Peace is our natural state of mind... come & join us..! The lake reflect the clouds perfectly because it has deep water.... namista 🙏,..
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If I don't want it? If i only want to be me but whit the place , a totally different being in my reality of the moment , maybe still quite or maybe sing , in a way it doesn't mean nothing if i do something or not , it is a part of the ambiance , nobody cares if , nobody append if , nothing changes if , if i want to be me , shape me in a way i can do everything i want , it doesn't really affect the space around me , or the space of my reality of the moment?
Paying attention is meditation
Krishnamurti one is drawn to him by his interpretation of illusions, that the "ego," the "I" is. What is it that self-chatters always is self-talking to oneself? Ah, ha!!! How does one become present in the now? When one looks at the tree, a mountain , a pond with water lilies, what happens? I will give it two examples.
1. When one sees a rattlesnake and one nearly steps on it unknowingly, how is the mind working? Are you saying to yourself, "I better move now." Did the mind tell you to do that? Or was it an instinct? No, one moves.
2. A child is eating cotton candy, and it is all over her mouth and fingers, and in her hair? She is just with that cotton candy totally, There are no likes or dislikes. She is in the moment. The present. ❤️
My mind will not let me sleep, even when tired beyond exhaustion. My mind wonders from idea to idea a place to place, never pausing and never having silence.
I know there feeling am the same.
I am sorry to hear that. For how long is this going now?
Try yoga nidra
Just observe the movements of thought without trying to resist or judge. Automatically it will slow down and become quiet
The answer is to find the root of anxious mind , of anxious thoughts, as you resolve the roots the mind becomes clearer, more free.
10:11: You can't make the mind quiet.
"you" can't
@@Nobody-sb6gf The "you" is the doer, so a quiet mind can never be forced ro be quiet. So no methods or rituals can do it. It becomes quiet when the searching has stopped.
note to Official Channel: As there were previous talks where the foundation was laid. It would be nice to have links to all these talks New York 1971 or links to the transcripts where they can be read. It is not always easy to find these. thank you
No sooner had one person had out of "me" than his mind found quiet
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Very easy, train your mind to be more logical than emotional, train yourself be more emotionally intelligent, there will be naturally much less chaos in your mind.
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The thinker and thought are the same.
But I need to debate one point - when seeing of the mountain absorbs you, it can not put away the "me" within. What happens is, with every new attraction put away all the previous attractions temporarily. So a feel of vacuum inside. There is the feeling that the me is put aside. On the other hand not all humans have a "wow" experience with a mountain view - it may be a bird, sunset, beautiful girl, a dance, a magic show, game of cricket and many wow experiences. It is a fact that a new attraction put away all previous attractions & create some kind of vacuum inside. That feeling is everywhere, in every human being. How many wow experiences do we get during a single day. On the other hand, a quite mind is effortless mind. It is like nature, The nature has no effort or authority. It builds on its own. JK is looking at Buddhahood, it is the blossoming of nature inside the human mind. No one can try to achieve that, it is in itself like a flower blossoming.
Allowing the body to become still, whilst sitting up supporting your own weight, helps.
Not if you're prescribed benzodiazepenes! Heard of akasthesia?
Learning how to use punctuation marks would also help.
Mind need one object and it concentrate on it and like last piece of wood in funeral pyre burn, final thought of mind will also dissolve, leaving a absolute quite mind.
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When we listen to it seems like intellectually feel like understand everything..but immediately mind goes back into mechanical mode operating through self or memory it has..how to reach to that state where I will use my mind only when I need it..some how it seems impossible ask..if any attained this stae would love to learn
With the word impossible ...you already accepted it's impossible to drop the mind....you require time to attain something..you require nothing to drop..
The answer is to step out of the automatic behaviour, automatic thoughts, as you step out mentally and release emotions the mind feels free.
The "self" can never experience a quiet mind, because when the mind is quiet the self is not.
Meditate, Meditate, Meditate. Get off the phone, if this video and meditate. Start with 1 minute, get up to 30mins, then with practice, an hour per day.
Maybe there is a small mind and small heart and Big Ones...and differences between them...?Real big dog dont need to much barking Ive heard...😊
When it gets paid then I'll walk away and you never hear from me again
Any thing further spoken will be blunder
The word choice is unfortunate. Everything is made of silence, because everything is made of sound, vibration and frequency. But what is sound made of? Silence. Sound is a condensation of silence and sudden release. So our true nature, essence or whatever you want to call it, is silence. You don't have to "make" silence. It is already in you. All you have to do is to find it and dive into it, like in an ocean
How does the mind become quiet? When the brain is dead.
The mind never becomes quiet, you just stop identifying it as "me" and, As Consciousness, merely Witness arising phenomena as a non-separate, non-binding modification of the Radiance of Consciousness.
Listening to K is like staying at a luxury hotel where the staff are arrogant and rude to the guests
He must have the knowledge but the speech lacks clarity.
I think he liked to hear his self talk
Who doesn’t?
I challenge you to read about the history of Krishnamurti's life, I propose this idea to you because I have a suspicion that those building's blocks apply a foundation that will steady your brain neurons❤️😘
He was one of the most important philosophers, along with Alan Watts, we had in this generation.
Projecting your own self on somebody else? 🤔
If you wish to clarify the mind, get rid of all the crap
No need to keep mind quiet. Because you cannot. Just watch 😅😅😅😅😅
SLEEP 😴😴😴😴😂😂😂😂
he is pseudo
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