Sorry kuro, star trek memory gamma is a star trek "ideas" wiki, which means that nothing on it is real, star trek equicon does not exist, however that was the name of a convention
In the Superman rational-fic "Metropolitan Man", Supes actually explains kryptonite in a very similar way. He uses "Krypto-Particles" to see through walls and stuff (his x-ray vision is explicitly NOT x-rays), and the special green rocks that powered his ship put out _multiple orders of magnitude_ more of those particles, to the point of being outright blinding, and depowering in close proximity. Lead is the only known element that blocks said particles, both making it a blocker for his x-ray vision, and used as shielding to keep the occupant (baby Supes) safe from the kryptonite engine core in flight.
That would have been a pretty easy fix, but honestly I think that the writers were just one with Humungasuar growing in general. It was just annoying to write around and Ben never used it consistently enough.
For all the bad moves with Ben’s character in OV, I love that they made him more of a smart ass with his villains. “So of course they acquired the help of the great east huntsman in the galaxy” Ben: “oh yeah? Who’s that?” Also that great one from a Few Brains More: Albedo: “with my superior intellect, combined with the brain of azmuth-“ Ben: “You’ll be about as smart as azmuth!” It’s just so good. You can really feel Yuri’s Spider-Man quipping coming through.
I have.... *mixed* opinions on it. On the one hand, yeah he does get some fun lines. On the other hand they often feel childish, and the fact he just *won't* stop throwing them around sometimes ruin the dramatic tension by giving the impression he doesn't take genuine threats seriously. ..... Though with that said, that line about him asking Attea if she'll become a princess when a guy kisses her (and her ensuing reaction) still cracks me up.
Too bad all his mons are one alien, if he was doing a nuzlock, he would not have any useless Mon to send in while he heals his main one, tho, the idea of kibee having several dogs is a cool idea, especially since many predators a pack hunters, like, for the sake of argument, imagine Ben turns in to a deer and the dog turs in to a wolf, one deer can easily take on one wolf, it's the pack that is an issue, so it's very lucky all of Ben's predators thus far were solo hunters
What I like about ball weevil is that his anatomy is drastically different to human's. He's small, quadrupedal, insect-like and relies on creating balls for attacks instead of direct projectiles or limbs. What's the point of Omnitrix unifying species experience, if they are all humanoids?
@@theanimator2semi-hiatus295 Everyone is terrible in Bayverse, but the Decepticons are better than they are elsewhere (barring Shattered Mirror, or what ever it was called)
"Rath is not Humongosaur... but Rath, is gonna make you HUMONGO-SORRY!" is one of the greatest lines in the series, of all time. Along with "Lemme Tell Ya Somethin', new Omnitrix that keeps turnin' me into the wrong thing! YOU KEEP TURNIN' ME INTO THE WRONG THING! It's not even _funny_ anymore...!" and "If you're gonna keep doing this, why do you even HAVE a dial?"
If they wanted the Humungousaur joke to work, Ben should've gone through the 5 stages of grief in this episode. denial - Always saying the next one would be Humungousaur anger - Yelling at his watch bargaining - Ben offering the Omnitrix different deals depression - Ben wondering if he lock Humungousaur rather than Alien X or wondering if Humungousaur was ever real. acceptance finally understands that his battles can't be won by punching and then gets Humungousaur.
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 It's a simple way to tell a story arc in the form of a joke. Hell, if Kai was apart of the show from the beginning and it was Ben training Rook and Kai then Ben and Kai could've made a bet for $30 bucks to see if Ben would get the Alien he wanted. Which still plays into the whole deal of wrong alien, enter laugh track here.
See, I love the idea of the omnitix having an ia that can think, cuz it solves one of the biggest problems, Ben getting the wrong alien, the omnitix can literally choose to give him a different alien to have Ben grow, get changed, and get new experiences, like, it's p obvious Ben loves using humangosaur, I think the omnitix is getting sick of it (metaphorically) and is trying to get Ben to try out new things, it will usually comply and give Ben what he wants, but if Ben gets to repetitive or presictable, the omnitix will force him to try something new, and depanding on the situation as well, to have him see that maybe a certain alien can be useful in some situations, like, the situations where Ben got the wrong alien and it didn't work out are wery rare and mostly cuz Ben didn't want to adapt to the alien given
If you remember. When Phill comes back later on as an energy monster, Phill actually messed with the Omnitrix to only get energy themed aliens. So it's possible the Nematrix is similar in that vein. Maybe it only gives Ben aliens that it has predators for, and/or aliens that can have the same predator. Hence why Ball Weevil, an alien Ben didn't use until now, had a predator for it. Maybe the Nematrix even unlocked Ball Weevil indirectly.
Uhm I kind of like that explanation, I can belive maybe some relation in the DNA of pray and predator would allow that, for having a similar anatomy, being of the same planet or something like that. Although the "aliens that also can have the same predator" feels like too much of a strech for me. Although if this was the case, wouldn't it have been better for the nemetrix to have like just 1 transformation to lock Ben into just one alien or aliens weaker than that predator? Because then the more aliens the nemetrix had then more aliens Ben has available, and some of them would be counter for some of the other predators. And then why Khyber would study Ben at all? If he would just lock his transformations into preys for his pet then it kind of won't matter.
I love that terroranchula actually looks like it came from the same planet as ball weevil. Animals with vastly different body plans coexist all the time, but just the fact that they have similar anatomy and powers makes it feel like they actually evolved and they’re pieces of a full ecosystem of ball-weevil like creatures.
On the point about Ben only becoming Prey aliens, in Max's monster Phil's presence forces Ben into only becoming electric aliens. Since that power is from the Nemetrix, another ability could be syncing up to the Omnitrix and locking Ben into those like 6 aliens.
But if the nemetrix had that kind of ability wouldn't it have been a smarter to put just 1 predator in the nemetrix and so lock Ben into it's specific prey. Because then the more aliens the nemetrix had the more aliens Ben would have access and be able to counter some predators with his other aliens. Also then why study Ben for 5 years if they would just lock his powers into the preys of the predators they choose to put in the nemetrix.
@@silverbreaker9271 the answer to that is simple. The effect the nemitrix has is only a mild sway over his aliens. So it loosely effects it. That is 1 part the other is ben has ways to still chose which alien in different ways. Lifeform lock could make him a powerful alien with no predators for as long as he likes. This means having a diverse range of abilities for the nemitrix is important.
To play devil’s advocate: in the later episode “Max’s monster” Phil mentions that his exposure to the nemitrix gave him the ability to mess with the omnitrix and limit Ben to only electric aliens, could that be what is happening here? The nemitrix is forcing the omnitrix to prioritize prey dna over others (with mixed results obviously)
That's something I considered as well: The Nemetrix is interfering with Ben's Omnitrix somehow. The Omnitrix isn't a perfect device and is prone to malfunction and error, and sometimes outer interferance.
No, because then in the albedo episodes he then turns into a bunch of aliens that they didn’t make predators for Even earlier in this season ben turns into diamondhead, the andromeda 5, Shocksquatch, spidermonkey and probably more when facing these predators.
I feel like if that was the case the characters would've commented on it. Maybe Ben going "you keep transforming me into the same few aliens, what's wrong with you today!?"
@@ahaha272be fair. Albedo did modified Nemetrix at that ep. So,ı doubt it will do the same thing anymore. Also,even ıf its not the case,its interfierence does not always have to work. Just needs to work most of the time.
A actual complaint about the aliens predators is that in real life very few predators are hyper efficient a majority of hunts fail. So something like the Tyranopede and Humagosaur fight make by far the most realistic case of this. I feel like if each alien predator has some sort of weakness that there prey could abuse to either fight back or escape would be great.
@AmericaChavez710 maybe how big they grow is proportional to their base size. Like, if a newborn is only 5-ish feet tall, maybe they can only grow to 25 feet. Most real predators target younger and weaker individuals anyway, so Tyrannopede probably wouldn’t be any different.
@@Theokal3 if you’re not an apex predator, there’s also the risk of a bigger animal bullying you out of your kill. Cheetahs specifically evolved teeth shaped like shears so they can eat as much as possible before that happens.
yeah, realistically it would've made more sense to simply call them counter-aliens or something. Prey animals are usually well equipped to defend themselves.
A little theory I’ve always held is that the presence of the Nemitrix interacts with the Omnitrix, making it much more likely that Ben transforms into the prey the Nemetrix can counter, something Dr. Psychobos could’ve come up with while designing the device.
@@theaveragedude3670 It could be, I remember thinking it while rewatching the series before the breakdowns for it began and maybe hearing something like that. So it’s entirely possible, I just don’t remember lol.
@@JustGamerRapBattles I remember now when Ben fought Phil in the episode he returns it was revealed that Phil was tampering with the omnitrix( due to his connection to the nemitrix)so that Ben would only change into electric aliens so that’s pretty solid evidence
@@MagicCardboardBox not to mention there’s aliens that don’t have a predator because cannonbolt, Chromastone diamondhead planets were destroyed, alien x doesn’t have a predator, upchuck I’m pretty sure doesn’t?? (Could be wrong) and nanomech also doesn’t
@@MagicCardboardBox The Galvans are much more advanced than humans and they still had a predator ,the sample of DNA came from a fossil and we as humans are still prey it's only the tools we made that allow us to be "on top of the food chain "
Back then I really didn't understand what Omniverse was trying to do but I'm glad they actually kept the part where Ben gave up on being a hero to the viewers. Ben's decision to stop wearing the Omnitrix was the most compelling aspect of his character growth. At the age of 11 Ben's life just went downhill
I don’t really..see it….that way….why?simple ‘he just suddenly took it off for a reason that we never knew 5 years ago(in the context of only af) it’s more like a try to make character growth without the actual reasons and events that made that ‘it’s like if you skip the character arc and go to the end result instantly in episode 1 without the actual arc ‘it could’ve been an actual arc itself in at learing as the season goes why he took the omnitrix and see him even struggle since he didn’t want it back in the first place and just did it for his grandpa ‘yet it didn’t do’and omniverse doesn’t help by changing it to 4 years and implying that it was malware since it isn’t enough but a bit better ‘and I like omniverse and uaf to some extent ‘it’s just Ben giving up the omnitrix especially after watching soto doesn’t make sense and never did
its fine if u think it never made sense cuz maybe it didnt but blame AF for doing that, OV gave us an explanation and that explanation was a damn good one
@@2ndspringtube708I mean if you look at the themes of alien force and bens insecurities from that era it seems like the implication is he didn’t feel worthy of the power of the omnitrix without grandpa max.
Ben in the finale: "It seems to always give me the rigth alien even when I want something else." Omnitrix: Keeps turning Ben into the same group of aliens that have predators when figthing the nemetrix.
Sad news guys. Paradox’s VA, the accomplished actor and composer David McCallum, died just 2 days ago at the age of 90. It was only 4 days after his birthday.
My only thing about humongusaur's growing is that if they did acknowledge it, it would also make sense that the predator would also grow making the growing useless
Why does it matter? Grizzly bears sometimes kill bisons for a living. Size doesn't matter. In fact, most apex predators in the world hunt prey that are way bigger than them (lions and buffalo, orcas, and humpbacks. They also come to mind).
I think Khyber instead of collecting Predators that countered specific aliens of Ben, since Khyber may have not known about Ben having Talpaedan DNA or Ball Weevil, he instead grabbed the 10/9 most dangerous predators he knew that also were general counters to Ben's aliens (counters commonly used abilities like fire, flight, strength, and more)
I think he can do that plus the species that counters the aliens Aliens like Big Chill are very powerful so there will be natural predator that preys on them due to them being abundant and it keeps their population in check so I think most of Ben's powerhouse aliens actually have predators with a few exceptions like Diamondhead. This is actually great as Ben 10 was all about improvising with limited aliens which also gives the new aliens time to shine. Predators like Mucilator should be shafted till Khyber's returning arc with Albedo cuz Ben didn't have Crashopper until Ant King Animo
You know, since young Ben turned into clockwork because him and teen Ben were synced during the eon shenanigans, Ben could have been turning into natural pray because the feedback from the Nematrix being so close, as it is built of prototype omnitrix blueprints
The reason why they changed Big Chill was to sell a different toy I think 'cause it'd kinda scummy to sell the same Big Chill toy with just a different Omnitrix badge placement
I feel like the nemetrix's predators could just be used to counter Ben's aliens in general, like the Mucilator can be used to counter speed aliens, the Crabdozer can be used to counter fire aliens, and the Terroranchula can be used to counter electric aliens. It is interesting to watch Ben's aliens having a predator now, but it got so tiring to watch ben turn into the same aliens fight the same predators later on. I think it would be more fun to see the same predator counter Ben's other forms than see him turn into the same 4 or 5 aliens.
I feel like the fight Rath has against Khyber makes sense. Since its Rath we're talking about. He would just say its Khyber season while the huntsman humors him by responding with Rath season. After all, Khyber definately fought an Appoplexian prior to this. Especially since he spent 5 years studying Ben. So the moment our protagonist turned into one, that's when the huntsman went to face one as a way to learn the species' weakness. And by proxy ended up respecting the species enough to humor them.
I also love how he starts out by appropriately naming Rath as an Appoplexian, but then once the insults come in about its Khyber season, then he starts calling him Rath as a one up
I think it would've worked if it was only said once and Khyber had the upperhand, like a one-off "I'm making fun of your overconfidence" thing and not something that is supposed to be funny but is just stupid. And this is coming from someone who has omniverse as their favorite Ben 10 series
I believe in the scene with Ben repeating back Rook's own dialog to Max, the humor is that Ben was not listening to Rook, however once he was started thinking about Kiber's dog as a threat, he came up with the same idea as Rook, because Rook was right the whole time.
My head canon was rook was being annoying stating the obvious so ben was only half listening at the time. So ben waited for rooks mouth to be full and decided to be annoying to rook by pretending to "steal his idea" to get back at him for being annoying.
I also have a theory that Nemetrix affects how Omnitrix works. Ben is about to turn into an alien? He will turn into something weak against those predators. Phil did that with his mutation,by keep turning Ben into Electric aliens . So why not Nemetrix?
I feel Kraven the hunter, specifically from spectacular Spider-Man was more in line with how Kyber should’ve been handled: skilled, threatening and also had a plot point (granted in a different context and with different results completely) on using genetic experiments to become a worthy adversary to the main hero.
27:35 my personal theory is that by transforming into a smaller alien, he was drawing out the battery life more. Like the larger the alien, the more power it takes.
For me I think it is that it "times out" when he goes to turn into another alien or back to human form before instantly retrasfrorming. I think takes based off of og ben ten when he first unlocks master control if he said the name of even thought it he could instantly transformed to another alien, so I think here in Omniverse is that as he speaks or thinks what alien he needs the Omnitrix "times out" so that he can select the next alien again. Because as as far as I remember something that was stated that eventually the Omnitrix later on was based around the energy of the user to stay transformed for longer. I don't know it's a hunch. Sorry if this is inconsistent in anyway I just woke up.
Lanky definitely fits Big Chill way more, at 58:20 I can see what they were going for with cloaked Big Chill in giving him a hunch but also being buff breaks it.
28:49 I have a theory about this. Maybe when the Omnitrix is about time out, he can Quick Change to stop it from timing out, but as a consequence, he can not change again until it does timeout again
Ben becoming Wildmutt (who can't complain about not being Humongosaur) plus tricking the Omnitrix the second time made me think Wildmutt was Humongosaur for way too long
I suggest one day, Kuro, you should do a video about how short-term characters work better in the Ben 10 franchise than long term? Think about, when fans ask about which villains stayed relatively cool, they will say Highbreed, Aggregor, Malware and they are all there for a limited time? Seeing Khyber be threatening here and then becoming a bit of a joke later on is hard too watch. Just something I have been thinking about.
With Tyrannopede, it’s actually one of my more liked Nemetrix transformations because of the cocoon stuff. Honestly I wish they leaned more into it ESPECIALLY because it could’ve worked with Humungosaur growing! Like think about it. On Terradino the Vaxasaurians grow in an attempt to make up for the size difference between them and the Tyrannopedes, so they in return use their silk to quickly wrap them up, using their own new massive weight against them to bring them to the ground where they can be torn apart and consumed. It’s simple, but I think it works!
The only headcanon explanation I could come up with for how Kevin was able to use the transformations in the reboot was that Vilgax included a remote connection to a DNA storage system similar to Primus in the blueprints he sent to him in his dream.
This comment got a good laugh out of me. UAF and Omniverse fans having a war while the OG series fans silently watch in the distance with some popcorn letting them fight.
Khyber having Ballweevil's predator makes me think that Malware maybe got a list of what's in the omnitrix from when he took the blueprints, or he got it from Galvan Prime
I think the reason why khyber just doesnt go hunt ben first is because the predators are not intellegent and he had prep while ben has some brains if hes written correctly and has many forms that kyhber would just get overwhelmed while having zed with the nemetrix would make things much easier
Also random thing. Khyber isn’t that much of a hunter, he’s literally a serial killer who hangs up the remains of sapient beings as trophies. Edit: apparently my comment got featured on the Ben 10 subreddit.
I remember in the Phil episode in Omniverse, Phil being exposed to the Nemetrix was causing the Omnitrix to turn into electrical aliens maybe the Nemetrix has some form of influence over the Omnitrix.
Fun fact: Not all the Nemetrix predators use the actual species name as their transformation name. Such as Slamworm being a Slammoid, Hypnotick being a Psycholeopterran, and (my personal favourite) Tyrannopede being a Kaosseffexx Ultimasauria. That last one is a reference to the Ultimasaurus, a hybrid dinosaur toy from the Jurassic Park: Chaos Effect toy line. It even resembles Tyrannopede a bit, having a red T rex head with Triceratops horns and frill, as well as black Ankylosaurus armour.
The thing is, at first I didn't think much of OV, but if there is one thing that intrigues me is world-building, and after watching it I realised that in terms of world-building, OV did more than all other Ben 10 media COMBINED. However that doesn't mean that it doesn't have it's flaws and just because it's my favorite, doesn't mean that it will be everyone's favorite as well.
For in universe reason to y Ben repeatedly transforms into the prey for the nemetrix’s predators is similar to how he got almost exclusively lightning/electric aliens when against terroranchula Phil the nemetrix’s close proximity to the omnitrix is causing the watch to repeatedly glitch to transform Ben into the prey for the predators
I have a theory that has to do with a later episode with Phil becoming Terroranchula. Ben kept turning into electrical aliens because of an energy output that Phil was putting out, what if Ben kept turning into these six aliens because of a similar energy output? Edit: and to add onto this, Phil’s Terroranchula form probably had a stronger energy field because he was unstable And we’ve seen what happens when omnimatrix devices become unstable, the energy physically changes living things around it! Like when Ben broke off the face plate (the energy fused worms and crabs with Stinkfly DNA), when Kevin and Ben tried to hack the watch (Kevin mutated into his “mineral man” body), and when Psychobos took a stabilizer out of the new watch (The surge fused random prisoners with Omnitrix DNA). The Nemetrix has shown that it is inferior to the Omnitrix by itself, so it would make sense that it would show similarities to a malfunctioning omnimatrix core! But take this with a grain of salt, it would be cool if the writers thought of this
31:05 That makes sense. So Quickchanges drains Ben's energy not the Omnitrix. He even once said that it makes him vomit during QuickChanges in "Catfight" Finally we got the answer. 37:52 I love this concept.
I think what have helped this ending was not reveling the predators before hand and then having 6 unique predator transformations one after the other wouldn't be so boring if u haven't scene it before. This would also have meant ben vs Khyber would haven be given more prominent. But i understand they intended Khyber to be rooks matchup, kyhyber's arsenal of weapons vs rooks Proto-Tool.
also just bcz Khyber has those alien artifacts and caught the predators doesn't mean he is stronger than them, it's something called prep time, he knew the weakness and hence prepared for them by setting traps or using external equipments which their preys won't normally have and Zed vs Ben and Rook vs Khyber is the fair fight
It did take me a little while to get used to Omniverse when it first came out but after the first season i was hooked, Ben 10 will always be my favourite TV franchise
I think a much more interesting way to handle the predators would be the idea of sort of “half counters.” So after establishing which predator pairs with which alien you start putting them against aliens with similar powers. For example Swampfire against Crabdozer, countering the fire still but not having a counter to Swampfire’s plant manipulation. The Omnitrix has a lot of alien’s with overlapping move sets, and this would have been a great way to show off the strengths and weaknesses of different aliens.
The omnitrix timing out so fast always felt like a error to me because in uaf ben would randomly change back all the time i feel like thats what omniverse was going for but someone in sound design kept placing the timing out noise. That's just my theory because ben always transforms a few seconds later which doesn't make sense if he timed out
I feel like the Humongosaur Predator probably would've immediately started growing to combat his size change if he actually did it. Kinda like how a future Predator uses an Alien's own move against them. Maybe Ben would've been physically forced to shrink back by the webbing shot.
29:10 maybe it’s a tech, like how in video games you can cancel specials into other specials, if he transforms as he’s timing out the timer resets? That could be cool.
I was really happy to see Humongousaur & Big Chill in that series but I preferred their original designs over their OV designs. I really miss Humongousaur's ability to grow in size besides him having superhuman strength!
The writers forgot he could grow straight up all the way back in Ultimate Alien. Derrick J Wyatt was asked why didn't Humungosaur grow in Omniverse his answer being none of the writers ever brought it up. They straight up forgot he could.
Ben timing out but still transforming into another alien honestly gives me an idea as to how the timeout function works , according to Omniverse. Its possible that the timeout function is there to simply prevent the user from staying as a single alien for too long out of fear of it scrambling their DNA and in the event that they're incapacitated or unable to touch the Omnitrix, it returns the user back to their default state unless Master Control is activated or they press the dial again to turn into something else, restarting the timer.
Honestly after Alien force where it was night to emphasize everything that was going on it the highbreed and how secret everything was but in Ultimate Alien it would have been nice to see more things in daylight to emphasize how everything has been brought to light with Ben’s identity
The fanfiction ben ten guardians does give a reason on why humongoussaur does not grow that often. The muscle strain is crazy and the story also gives more predators, including way bigs and they acknowledge Khyber is a serial killer
The topic you discuss about the comedy coming at the expense of the conflict reminds me a lot of how the Buu Saga in Dragonball Z is percieved controversially amongst fans of that series. The original Dragonball Anime centered around comedy often, but the sequel to it, DBZ, started to play the stakes straight. They tried to bring the goofier antics back with the Buu Saga, but some of the humor unintentionally undermined some important character bits in the past, as well as interrupting potential arcs for current characters.
Isn't the Terroranchula, Ball Weevil's Predator, what Phil became a hybrid of sorts of? And didn't he also have energy absorption? Energy is the most common type of attack Omnitrix aliens have, so it could be reasoned Khyber went after a Terroranchula not because of Ball Weevil, but as a general counter to many of Ben's forms.
The same thing could be said about Mucilator and Slamworm with Ben unlocking their preys after Khyber got them in the flashback. With Arburia and Petropia being destroyed at the time Khyber was hunting, he probably had to look for alternatives for Cannonbolt and Diamondhead and hoped Mucilator and Slamworm would do well respectively.
How surprising how most people don't care if Ben got regressed, instead of having more dark moments in Omniverse. As if they'd be so positive if Batman or Spiderman were in Ben's place.
Maybe Nemitrix has a weird resonate signal with the Omnitrix that causes him to randomly become the alien that has a predator....or is pathetically weak against Zed. Like in the episode Max's Monster.
I find it slightly funny that Ben keeps asking for humungousaur when he has aliens that are just as strong or stronger aliens some of which probably wouldn't have predators. Like Way Big or NRG.
They could have said that maybe the Nemetrix subtley messes with the Omnitrix, too garantee Ben is a Alien they have a Predator fore, woul be bad if Ben just goes Way Big and stomps on Zed. Like it dosnt hack the Omnitrix but some kind of subtley energy wave ore signal that messes up the Alien Selection of the Omnitrix
That cut at the end seems made in post so that it would end on Rook's joke. I'm almost certain the way you edited it is how it was originally supposed to be. Also, the Servantes erasing Ben's brain bit was brilliant:)
All the predator fights in OV are great but this two parter is where it peaks in my opinion. It has similar vibes too when he first fought Albedo, like a genetic rock paper scissors match.
I liked his fight with albedo in the ultimate heist where they used different aliens to counter each other. Then I realised this is all of what it is from albedo, turning into ultimate humungosaur and spider-monkey for 90% of their fights....
What if the Ball Weevils predator was necessary to trap another one Khyber would have trouble catching? Like in ark for example sometimes you tame a dinosaur to help you tame another one so maybe that was the case
For me, I will die on the hill that all the Ben 10 shows were great, warts and all. The reason? They were a fun watch. Sure each one had problems but that never made them lesser then one another or any other show. What defined them was the enjoyment they brought and each one brought a whole heap of fun from character designs, likeable characters, and interesting concepts. So is Omniverse an unparalleled masterpiece? Not by any means but that's okay, we all still had fun and that's what honestly matters. Same with UAF and Classic, heck, I hear plenty of love for the Reboot as well, so cheers!
What if Khyber, the hunter was in Danny Phantom‘s world, and found the abandon suit of skulker The ghost zone’s greatest huntsman and use its pieces of the suit to make himself even better?
I love the fact that he points out the laziness with them only sticking to aliens that have nemetrix predators. Because I noticed that when I first saw this.
The problem is that the "Wild-mutts" in the null are mutants. Variant DNA. The one in the omitrix is from the last surviving member of the true breed, and being so, was also the peak of the species. You're own hypothetical analysis of probable races Ben could scan mentioned how he wouldn't be able to scan Rex or the X-men as they're still human, just mutated.
I get your point but just a correction the omnitrix could definitely scan an X men since they're not human. X men are 'Homo superiors' they are a different species that evolved from humans and possess the special 'X genes' in their body.
When were the Null Void Vulpimancers ever called mutants? Everyone in universe just call them Vulpimancers never mutated or anything like that. They're just older from what we know.
37:28 To be fair the North Pole, Amazon Rainforest, Great barrier reef and *florida* all exist on the same planet. Is it so far fetched to think that other alien worlds also have various ecosystems?
yeah like that planet where those light blue Big Chills were, both ice and fire existed, similar could be here, maybe Pyronites live in the desert areas while this Crabdozer wandered off to the forest area for some other work
Kuro I can tell you exactly why that end scene feels so chopped up to where it feels like its a mistake.... because they wanted to end the season on that "told you" joke. Omnitrix will literally make decisions that read as errors for the sake of the joke.
The thing you said about OV fans reminds me of Pokemon. First I need to clarify I am biased towards Gen 5. Gen 5 at it’s release was heavily criticized and a lot of it was unfair, but nowadays apparently everyone has always loved Gen 5 and never ever criticized it. I do think people get defensive in these situations because the older gens typically don’t get criticized and there are a lot of fans who think they are perfect when they criticize future generations. There are some very die hard Gen 1 fans who will say everything after is bad. Ben 10 probably has people like this as well. The fans of the later series just think everyone criticizing the later entries are just nostalgia boomers who only like the original. Obviously that’s not true, but maybe that’s what a lot of the negativity these fans see came from resulting into them viewing all the criticism as invalid. I think these fans are thinking “well my series does 9/10 things better than the series you call your favorite, so why are you so harsh on my series”. Realistically everyone has some biases when criticizing shows they grew up with or spent more time with. They’ll struggle to see the flaws in their favorite, but can point out the flaws in others. That is just a thing people need to accept in other people’s reviews and critiques as well as their own. There is always some amount of bias since no one can erase fully how a series initially made them feel or the joy they had over the years because of it. That element will always prevent any one series becoming the best or most definitive must play for everyone since everyone processes things differently and might attach themselves to one game that could be worse in several aspects to the most well received game in the series. I probably lost the point I was initially trying to make when I started, but I think this is still fine.
I wish they could’ve fixed the nemeatrix so that it doesn’t scramble you brain when you use it. Maybe make it so that instead of going full predator, you can become a sort of hybrid between human and predator.
This may be the Mandela Effect, but I remember when I first saw the episode I saw Humongosaur grow and the Predator just got bigger to compensate. So to me it always did that
So maybe Humungosaur could've grown out of that cocoon snot. But I just thought, what if that stuff neutralizes that ability and, the Tyrannopede could be more of a stealth hunter. I mean a few scientists had theories of T-Rex being a scavenger rather than hunting a tanking Triceratops in the chase.
The full time scavenger theories getting fairly outdated these days. With how scarred The T-Rex bones are and how other dinosaur fossils show evidence of survived T-rex attacks. I do lean into the idea of the webbing stopping Humungasaur from growing
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 yeah i dont buy into the scavenger theory either. And, what's funny is that the guy who started that theory worked on jurassic Park 2, where he killed off a character who was a parody of a paleontologist friend who disagreed with him. And in the end, his friend loved the death cuz he was like, "See the TRex ate me, it's a hunter! Ha!!"
I think Big Chill's redesign is a fine sidegrade. I think the thought of Big Chill coming out of his intangibility state and you just see this massive creature appearing out of nowhere would be pretty scary.
also bigger chest = bigger lungs = longer ice breaths and AF Big Chill is way too scrawny to do things he did in AF, like he stopped an out of control car at high speed with his scrawny arms which would suit OV Big Chill more
@@axelnilsson5124true, There's a lot more creative liberty that comes with it, but also a lot less guidelines. I think Ash would still be up for it though.
Sorry kuro, star trek memory gamma is a star trek "ideas" wiki, which means that nothing on it is real, star trek equicon does not exist, however that was the name of a convention
Thank you for the information!
Pinned.
Lol pranked
That explains all the famous actors in one thing.
@@TheInkTankcan't believe you felt for it
Since Wildmutt uses echolocation to see, Khyber's whistle is probably like shining a spotlight in someone's face.
In the Superman rational-fic "Metropolitan Man", Supes actually explains kryptonite in a very similar way. He uses "Krypto-Particles" to see through walls and stuff (his x-ray vision is explicitly NOT x-rays), and the special green rocks that powered his ship put out _multiple orders of magnitude_ more of those particles, to the point of being outright blinding, and depowering in close proximity. Lead is the only known element that blocks said particles, both making it a blocker for his x-ray vision, and used as shielding to keep the occupant (baby Supes) safe from the kryptonite engine core in flight.
I thought Wildmutt used his sense of smell to see? He has nostril-like gills to smell better
That's why he went blind when he had a cold in classic
Yep
@@KirigiriKirin Yep
I think it would’ve been really funny if Ben tried growing as Humongousaur and Tyrannopede just grew proportionally in response
Then the ship just crumbles under the weight 💀
That would've been better tbh imo
Which is a shame after seeing Young Kevin watching a Tyrannopede kaiju movie
That would have been a pretty easy fix, but honestly I think that the writers were just one with Humungasuar growing in general. It was just annoying to write around and Ben never used it consistently enough.
@@NeonWafflez707 I mean it was already going down
For all the bad moves with Ben’s character in OV, I love that they made him more of a smart ass with his villains.
“So of course they acquired the help of the great east huntsman in the galaxy”
Ben: “oh yeah? Who’s that?”
Also that great one from a Few Brains More:
Albedo: “with my superior intellect, combined with the brain of azmuth-“
Ben: “You’ll be about as smart as azmuth!”
It’s just so good. You can really feel Yuri’s Spider-Man quipping coming through.
also that atmosphere argument he had with Pax in 2 episodes earlier
Vilgax: Ahh as quippy as the others it seems
But yuri played ben before he did spiderman
I have.... *mixed* opinions on it. On the one hand, yeah he does get some fun lines. On the other hand they often feel childish, and the fact he just *won't* stop throwing them around sometimes ruin the dramatic tension by giving the impression he doesn't take genuine threats seriously.
..... Though with that said, that line about him asking Attea if she'll become a princess when a guy kisses her (and her ensuing reaction) still cracks me up.
@@ultimatetrishbhatia I know, almost felt like a warm up. Crazy that he voiced two of my big childhood heroes
I love how Khyber is basically just a Pokémon trainer, he even switches out when he's not using super effective moves
Too bad all his mons are one alien, if he was doing a nuzlock, he would not have any useless Mon to send in while he heals his main one, tho, the idea of kibee having several dogs is a cool idea, especially since many predators a pack hunters, like, for the sake of argument, imagine Ben turns in to a deer and the dog turs in to a wolf, one deer can easily take on one wolf, it's the pack that is an issue, so it's very lucky all of Ben's predators thus far were solo hunters
@@aleksabanjevic8316Khyber would definitely do a no items run tho
@@aleksabanjevic8316That’s probably why he got the Panuncian. He needed backups, decoys, and hordes.
Still better than ash ketchum
Now I just imagine that Kyber does nuzlockes in his free time whenever he's not on camera.
I think it’s fitting that the 100th miss transformation is greymatter since it seemed like that was one of his main gimmicks back in the day.
Facts, I loved that little detail
What I like about ball weevil is that his anatomy is drastically different to human's. He's small, quadrupedal, insect-like and relies on creating balls for attacks instead of direct projectiles or limbs. What's the point of Omnitrix unifying species experience, if they are all humanoids?
Yeah but like, it is literally a fucking weevil where's the alien in that
@@cowabungaitis9319Mole-Stache is literally a mole. What's your point?
@@misterdewott8766just say theyre both ass
@@cowabungaitis9319An insectoid? So is Stinkfly. And Big Chill.
And Rath is literally a tiger, not an insect, but still.
@@cowabungaitis9319 I mean humungosaur is a big dinosaur practically a lizard what's the alien in that?
I love that kuro is not letting Ben down easy about bubble helmet suffocating.
fr that shit was raw 💀
Damn straight
I mean we know ben commits war crimes on a regular basis but that was just too much
@@zodiac5403you’re talking about bayverse Optimus
@@theanimator2semi-hiatus295 Everyone is terrible in Bayverse, but the Decepticons are better than they are elsewhere (barring Shattered Mirror, or what ever it was called)
the fact that Khyber can say such an tongue twister of a species name, without messing up, is quite impressive
"Rath is not Humongosaur... but Rath, is gonna make you HUMONGO-SORRY!" is one of the greatest lines in the series, of all time. Along with "Lemme Tell Ya Somethin', new Omnitrix that keeps turnin' me into the wrong thing! YOU KEEP TURNIN' ME INTO THE WRONG THING! It's not even _funny_ anymore...!" and "If you're gonna keep doing this, why do you even HAVE a dial?"
Or when rath says let me tell you something that I never asked for but I have begun to begrudgingly like in spite of myself!
If they wanted the Humungousaur joke to work, Ben should've gone through the 5 stages of grief in this episode.
denial - Always saying the next one would be Humungousaur
anger - Yelling at his watch
bargaining - Ben offering the Omnitrix different deals
depression - Ben wondering if he lock Humungousaur rather than Alien X or wondering if Humungousaur was ever real.
acceptance finally understands that his battles can't be won by punching and then gets Humungousaur.
that'd be hilarious.
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 It's a simple way to tell a story arc in the form of a joke. Hell, if Kai was apart of the show from the beginning and it was Ben training Rook and Kai then Ben and Kai could've made a bet for $30 bucks to see if Ben would get the Alien he wanted. Which still plays into the whole deal of wrong alien, enter laugh track here.
I think the omnitrix recognized Ben was facing Stinkfly’s predator, and that’s why it timed him out of it.
See, I love the idea of the omnitix having an ia that can think, cuz it solves one of the biggest problems, Ben getting the wrong alien, the omnitix can literally choose to give him a different alien to have Ben grow, get changed, and get new experiences, like, it's p obvious Ben loves using humangosaur, I think the omnitix is getting sick of it (metaphorically) and is trying to get Ben to try out new things, it will usually comply and give Ben what he wants, but if Ben gets to repetitive or presictable, the omnitix will force him to try something new, and depanding on the situation as well, to have him see that maybe a certain alien can be useful in some situations, like, the situations where Ben got the wrong alien and it didn't work out are wery rare and mostly cuz Ben didn't want to adapt to the alien given
Bro fix your spelling in this comment above please you ding dong
If you remember. When Phill comes back later on as an energy monster, Phill actually messed with the Omnitrix to only get energy themed aliens. So it's possible the Nematrix is similar in that vein. Maybe it only gives Ben aliens that it has predators for, and/or aliens that can have the same predator. Hence why Ball Weevil, an alien Ben didn't use until now, had a predator for it. Maybe the Nematrix even unlocked Ball Weevil indirectly.
Exactly what ı said.
I also assume the Nemetrix has more than 6 aliens, but due to the limitations of the show, we have to contrive seeing the same 6 all the time.
Honestly thought the InkTank made reference to this before, surprise me Kuro didn't consider it.
I'm sure it's stated in the show later that the Nematrix was causing Ben's transformations into pray species
Uhm I kind of like that explanation, I can belive maybe some relation in the DNA of pray and predator would allow that, for having a similar anatomy, being of the same planet or something like that. Although the "aliens that also can have the same predator" feels like too much of a strech for me.
Although if this was the case, wouldn't it have been better for the nemetrix to have like just 1 transformation to lock Ben into just one alien or aliens weaker than that predator? Because then the more aliens the nemetrix had then more aliens Ben has available, and some of them would be counter for some of the other predators.
And then why Khyber would study Ben at all? If he would just lock his transformations into preys for his pet then it kind of won't matter.
I love that terroranchula actually looks like it came from the same planet as ball weevil. Animals with vastly different body plans coexist all the time, but just the fact that they have similar anatomy and powers makes it feel like they actually evolved and they’re pieces of a full ecosystem of ball-weevil like creatures.
Honestly the majority of the Predators have neat and interesting designs in my opinion. You feel like effort went into designing them.
57:08 Our 100th wrong transformation, and it's Grey Matter. How fitting!
I didn't even pay attention that it was 100. Dagum.
On the point about Ben only becoming Prey aliens, in Max's monster Phil's presence forces Ben into only becoming electric aliens. Since that power is from the Nemetrix, another ability could be syncing up to the Omnitrix and locking Ben into those like 6 aliens.
I thought they the two watches sorta synced up, but actually maxes monster sorta confirms the watch is forcing ben to become prey.
@AmericaChavez710 it doesnt seem to lock him into only aliens with predators. But his aliens tend to have a disadvantage to the predators he faces.
But if the nemetrix had that kind of ability wouldn't it have been a smarter to put just 1 predator in the nemetrix and so lock Ben into it's specific prey. Because then the more aliens the nemetrix had the more aliens Ben would have access and be able to counter some predators with his other aliens. Also then why study Ben for 5 years if they would just lock his powers into the preys of the predators they choose to put in the nemetrix.
@@silverbreaker9271 the answer to that is simple. The effect the nemitrix has is only a mild sway over his aliens. So it loosely effects it. That is 1 part the other is ben has ways to still chose which alien in different ways.
Lifeform lock could make him a powerful alien with no predators for as long as he likes. This means having a diverse range of abilities for the nemitrix is important.
My one gripe with this take is that if the Nemetrix already had a predator for Humongousaur, wouldn't it have let Ben turn into him the first time?
To play devil’s advocate: in the later episode “Max’s monster” Phil mentions that his exposure to the nemitrix gave him the ability to mess with the omnitrix and limit Ben to only electric aliens, could that be what is happening here? The nemitrix is forcing the omnitrix to prioritize prey dna over others (with mixed results obviously)
yeah was gonna comment it
That's something I considered as well: The Nemetrix is interfering with Ben's Omnitrix somehow. The Omnitrix isn't a perfect device and is prone to malfunction and error, and sometimes outer interferance.
No, because then in the albedo episodes he then turns into a bunch of aliens that they didn’t make predators for
Even earlier in this season ben turns into diamondhead, the andromeda 5, Shocksquatch, spidermonkey and probably more when facing these predators.
I feel like if that was the case the characters would've commented on it. Maybe Ben going "you keep transforming me into the same few aliens, what's wrong with you today!?"
@@ahaha272be fair. Albedo did modified Nemetrix at that ep. So,ı doubt it will do the same thing anymore.
Also,even ıf its not the case,its interfierence does not always have to work. Just needs to work most of the time.
When the world needed him the most, he arrived. Thanks for another breakdown Kuro
A actual complaint about the aliens predators is that in real life very few predators are hyper efficient a majority of hunts fail. So something like the Tyranopede and Humagosaur fight make by far the most realistic case of this. I feel like if each alien predator has some sort of weakness that there prey could abuse to either fight back or escape would be great.
Vaxasaurians could've evolved to grow to combat Kaoseffexx Ultimasauria in the wild.
Uh? Predators fail on average in their hunt? I.... actually didn't know that. Thanks for sharing, that's enlightening.
@AmericaChavez710 maybe how big they grow is proportional to their base size. Like, if a newborn is only 5-ish feet tall, maybe they can only grow to 25 feet. Most real predators target younger and weaker individuals anyway, so Tyrannopede probably wouldn’t be any different.
@@Theokal3 if you’re not an apex predator, there’s also the risk of a bigger animal bullying you out of your kill. Cheetahs specifically evolved teeth shaped like shears so they can eat as much as possible before that happens.
yeah, realistically it would've made more sense to simply call them counter-aliens or something. Prey animals are usually well equipped to defend themselves.
A little theory I’ve always held is that the presence of the Nemitrix interacts with the Omnitrix, making it much more likely that Ben transforms into the prey the Nemetrix can counter, something Dr. Psychobos could’ve come up with while designing the device.
Like it sends out a signal that only omnitrix like devices pick up on and messes with there A.I. I love that idea.
I think that theory is actually supported by the series it self
@@theaveragedude3670 It could be, I remember thinking it while rewatching the series before the breakdowns for it began and maybe hearing something like that. So it’s entirely possible, I just don’t remember lol.
@@JustGamerRapBattles I remember now when Ben fought Phil in the episode he returns it was revealed that Phil was tampering with the omnitrix( due to his connection to the nemitrix)so that Ben would only change into electric aliens so that’s pretty solid evidence
To be honest I would love to see a series where we do predator designs for other aliens, kind of like the ultimate series
I mean, it doesn't entirely make sense, like humans are the planetary predator, I'm sure a lot of the aliens are too, but yeah, I agree, that'd be fun
@@MagicCardboardBoxif you look at fossil evidence it seems our ancestor’s principal predator was actually the leopard.
@@MagicCardboardBox not to mention there’s aliens that don’t have a predator because cannonbolt, Chromastone diamondhead planets were destroyed, alien x doesn’t have a predator, upchuck I’m pretty sure doesn’t?? (Could be wrong) and nanomech also doesn’t
@@ahaha272Gourmands are I think the tip top of the food chain so yeah no they ARE the predators
@@MagicCardboardBox The Galvans are much more advanced than humans and they still had a predator ,the sample of DNA came from a fossil and we as humans are still prey it's only the tools we made that allow us to be "on top of the food chain "
Back then I really didn't understand what Omniverse was trying to do but I'm glad they actually kept the part where Ben gave up on being a hero to the viewers. Ben's decision to stop wearing the Omnitrix was the most compelling aspect of his character growth. At the age of 11 Ben's life just went downhill
I don’t really..see it….that way….why?simple ‘he just suddenly took it off for a reason that we never knew 5 years ago(in the context of only af) it’s more like a try to make character growth without the actual reasons and events that made that ‘it’s like if you skip the character arc and go to the end result instantly in episode 1 without the actual arc ‘it could’ve been an actual arc itself in at learing as the season goes why he took the omnitrix and see him even struggle since he didn’t want it back in the first place and just did it for his grandpa ‘yet it didn’t do’and omniverse doesn’t help by changing it to 4 years and implying that it was malware since it isn’t enough but a bit better ‘and I like omniverse and uaf to some extent ‘it’s just Ben giving up the omnitrix especially after watching soto doesn’t make sense and never did
its fine if u think it never made sense cuz maybe it didnt but blame AF for doing that, OV gave us an explanation and that explanation was a damn good one
@@theamazingspooderman2697exactly
@@2ndspringtube708I mean if you look at the themes of alien force and bens insecurities from that era it seems like the implication is he didn’t feel worthy of the power of the omnitrix without grandpa max.
@@2ndspringtube708 I think I read somewhere he did it for another reason
I’m loving that running gag of Kuro replacing the last line of the theme song with some other rhyming couplet.
Ben in the finale: "It seems to always give me the rigth alien even when I want something else."
Omnitrix: Keeps turning Ben into the same group of aliens that have predators when figthing the nemetrix.
Sad news guys. Paradox’s VA, the accomplished actor and composer David McCallum, died just 2 days ago at the age of 90. It was only 4 days after his birthday.
damn.
Don't forget he was either in NCIS or One of the few crime shows
My only thing about humongusaur's growing is that if they did acknowledge it, it would also make sense that the predator would also grow making the growing useless
I was thinking the same thing
Counter idea: It instead shrinks to a smaller build to better maneuver around their enlarged prey.
Why does it matter? Grizzly bears sometimes kill bisons for a living. Size doesn't matter. In fact, most apex predators in the world hunt prey that are way bigger than them (lions and buffalo, orcas, and humpbacks. They also come to mind).
@@N.I.A23also mosquitos, the number one human killer, right next to... humans. That's depressing.
Same, plus, imagine tiranopides growing and getting more spikes, that's borderline a away big predator at that point
An hour long breakdown? Oh Kuro, how you spoil us!
I think Khyber instead of collecting Predators that countered specific aliens of Ben, since Khyber may have not known about Ben having Talpaedan DNA or Ball Weevil, he instead grabbed the 10/9 most dangerous predators he knew that also were general counters to Ben's aliens (counters commonly used abilities like fire, flight, strength, and more)
I think he can do that plus the species that counters the aliens
Aliens like Big Chill are very powerful so there will be natural predator that preys on them due to them being abundant and it keeps their population in check so I think most of Ben's powerhouse aliens actually have predators with a few exceptions like Diamondhead.
This is actually great as Ben 10 was all about improvising with limited aliens which also gives the new aliens time to shine. Predators like Mucilator should be shafted till Khyber's returning arc with Albedo cuz Ben didn't have Crashopper until Ant King Animo
You know, since young Ben turned into clockwork because him and teen Ben were synced during the eon shenanigans, Ben could have been turning into natural pray because the feedback from the Nematrix being so close, as it is built of prototype omnitrix blueprints
That's even better than the explanation that if Phil can mess with the watch, so can the Nemetrix.
@@erikpng for the record the theory was, due the effects of the Nemetrix, Phil can mess with the watch.
Context
@jimimonsta3209 yeah, both are explanations that line up with each other. I didn't explain it properly, but that one backs it up even better.
@@erikpng yeah ik where your coming from just adding context to it, sorry to be a bother.
@@jimimonsta3209 no, dw. I like discussion. Especially when it's chill.
The reason why they changed Big Chill was to sell a different toy I think 'cause it'd kinda scummy to sell the same Big Chill toy with just a different Omnitrix badge placement
I feel like the nemetrix's predators could just be used to counter Ben's aliens in general, like the Mucilator can be used to counter speed aliens, the Crabdozer can be used to counter fire aliens, and the Terroranchula can be used to counter electric aliens.
It is interesting to watch Ben's aliens having a predator now, but it got so tiring to watch ben turn into the same aliens fight the same predators later on. I think it would be more fun to see the same predator counter Ben's other forms than see him turn into the same 4 or 5 aliens.
I was thinking the same thing, just give the Nemetrix a handful of powerful predators that can be a treat to aliens with similar powers.
true, whats stopping Crabdozer from resisting Swampfire's fire when it can already resist Heatblasts
I feel like the fight Rath has against Khyber makes sense. Since its Rath we're talking about. He would just say its Khyber season while the huntsman humors him by responding with Rath season. After all, Khyber definately fought an Appoplexian prior to this. Especially since he spent 5 years studying Ben. So the moment our protagonist turned into one, that's when the huntsman went to face one as a way to learn the species' weakness. And by proxy ended up respecting the species enough to humor them.
I also love how he starts out by appropriately naming Rath as an Appoplexian, but then once the insults come in about its Khyber season, then he starts calling him Rath as a one up
Yeah no
I think it would've worked if it was only said once and Khyber had the upperhand, like a one-off "I'm making fun of your overconfidence" thing and not something that is supposed to be funny but is just stupid.
And this is coming from someone who has omniverse as their favorite Ben 10 series
@@ahaha272yeah yes
@@mertensiam3384well it really does look like khyber is just fucking with him
I believe in the scene with Ben repeating back Rook's own dialog to Max, the humor is that Ben was not listening to Rook, however once he was started thinking about Kiber's dog as a threat, he came up with the same idea as Rook, because Rook was right the whole time.
My head canon was rook was being annoying stating the obvious so ben was only half listening at the time. So ben waited for rooks mouth to be full and decided to be annoying to rook by pretending to "steal his idea" to get back at him for being annoying.
Man, i don't think the joke is good at all if ya'll need to have a whole philosophical discussion of what it meant.
@@diamond_dude1063 I mean thats what a clever joke means, sometimes people dont get jokes so u will have to explain it
@@diamond_dude1063Fr
If that's what you think happen then explain the smirk at the end
The point isn’t that the predators are stronger than Ben’s aliens, it’s that they can counter their strengths.
I also have a theory that Nemetrix affects how Omnitrix works. Ben is about to turn into an alien? He will turn into something weak against those predators. Phil did that with his mutation,by keep turning Ben into Electric aliens . So why not Nemetrix?
And how in the world would it counter Humongosaur if he could grow?
@@HerohammerStudios it’s pointy like a LEGO. Have you ever stepped on a LEGO? Instant death.
@@HerohammerStudios by also Growing? If they keep Humangosaurs growing abilities,they logically have to give her one as well.
@@Vilgax00 I think Derrick said Tyrannopede couldn't grow. Maybe that's what the webs are for.
I feel Kraven the hunter, specifically from spectacular Spider-Man was more in line with how Kyber should’ve been handled: skilled, threatening and also had a plot point (granted in a different context and with different results completely) on using genetic experiments to become a worthy adversary to the main hero.
27:35 my personal theory is that by transforming into a smaller alien, he was drawing out the battery life more. Like the larger the alien, the more power it takes.
For me I think it is that it "times out" when he goes to turn into another alien or back to human form before instantly retrasfrorming. I think takes based off of og ben ten when he first unlocks master control if he said the name of even thought it he could instantly transformed to another alien, so I think here in Omniverse is that as he speaks or thinks what alien he needs the Omnitrix "times out" so that he can select the next alien again. Because as as far as I remember something that was stated that eventually the Omnitrix later on was based around the energy of the user to stay transformed for longer. I don't know it's a hunch. Sorry if this is inconsistent in anyway I just woke up.
This is going to be huge.
Thank you, Kuro.
Thank me instead
one could even say it's going to be humungus
@@sau7255why?
Lanky definitely fits Big Chill way more, at 58:20 I can see what they were going for with cloaked Big Chill in giving him a hunch but also being buff breaks it.
28:49 I have a theory about this. Maybe when the Omnitrix is about time out, he can Quick Change to stop it from timing out, but as a consequence, he can not change again until it does timeout again
Ben becoming Wildmutt (who can't complain about not being Humongosaur) plus tricking the Omnitrix the second time made me think Wildmutt was Humongosaur for way too long
I suggest one day, Kuro, you should do a video about how short-term characters work better in the Ben 10 franchise than long term? Think about, when fans ask about which villains stayed relatively cool, they will say Highbreed, Aggregor, Malware and they are all there for a limited time? Seeing Khyber be threatening here and then becoming a bit of a joke later on is hard too watch. Just something I have been thinking about.
In hindsight, it's kinda funny that Dr Animo in all shows managed to stay a fan favorite and not really get stale.
@@leithaziz2716 he's definitely not a fan favorite in UAF though. OV kinda brought back the love the fans have for him.
@@LuisGustavoSO Admittedly, I'm not a fan of Gym-bro Animo, but I guess it was inoffensive at worst.
@@ZoneHeart00 Probably one of my favorite villains out of the franchise. Animo practically knows what he is and owns it.
@@leithaziz2716 idk man, if he never appeared in OV I feel like the fans would absolutely hate his UAF version
With Tyrannopede, it’s actually one of my more liked Nemetrix transformations because of the cocoon stuff. Honestly I wish they leaned more into it ESPECIALLY because it could’ve worked with Humungosaur growing! Like think about it. On Terradino the Vaxasaurians grow in an attempt to make up for the size difference between them and the Tyrannopedes, so they in return use their silk to quickly wrap them up, using their own new massive weight against them to bring them to the ground where they can be torn apart and consumed.
It’s simple, but I think it works!
@AmericaChavez710humanoid stegosaurus?? You mean humanoid sauropod??
The only headcanon explanation I could come up with for how Kevin was able to use the transformations in the reboot was that Vilgax included a remote connection to a DNA storage system similar to Primus in the blueprints he sent to him in his dream.
Love the amount of UAF/Omniverse discourse. Classic fans just chill out in the background
This comment got a good laugh out of me.
UAF and Omniverse fans having a war while the OG series fans silently watch in the distance with some popcorn letting them fight.
Yeah, because (at least Classic fans I have encountered) they’re like “Man, they BOTH suck.” and call it a day lol.
@@jasonnguyen2575 I think all 5 shows are good in their own right, but Classic is still my fave
@@djdragondrawer9339OG is honestly goat overall. It is really close to masterpiece
Khyber having Ballweevil's predator makes me think that Malware maybe got a list of what's in the omnitrix from when he took the blueprints, or he got it from Galvan Prime
Wow an hour long Omiverse watch through?!
Kuro never disappoints!
I think the reason why khyber just doesnt go hunt ben first is because the predators are not intellegent and he had prep while ben has some brains if hes written correctly and has many forms that kyhber would just get overwhelmed while having zed with the nemetrix would make things much easier
Also random thing. Khyber isn’t that much of a hunter, he’s literally a serial killer who hangs up the remains of sapient beings as trophies.
Edit: apparently my comment got featured on the Ben 10 subreddit.
Serial killer and hunter, what’s the difference?
I remember in the Phil episode in Omniverse, Phil being exposed to the Nemetrix was causing the Omnitrix to turn into electrical aliens maybe the Nemetrix has some form of influence over the Omnitrix.
Fun fact: Not all the Nemetrix predators use the actual species name as their transformation name. Such as Slamworm being a Slammoid, Hypnotick being a Psycholeopterran, and (my personal favourite) Tyrannopede being a Kaosseffexx Ultimasauria. That last one is a reference to the Ultimasaurus, a hybrid dinosaur toy from the Jurassic Park: Chaos Effect toy line. It even resembles Tyrannopede a bit, having a red T rex head with Triceratops horns and frill, as well as black Ankylosaurus armour.
The thing is, at first I didn't think much of OV, but if there is one thing that intrigues me is world-building, and after watching it I realised that in terms of world-building, OV did more than all other Ben 10 media COMBINED. However that doesn't mean that it doesn't have it's flaws and just because it's my favorite, doesn't mean that it will be everyone's favorite as well.
For in universe reason to y Ben repeatedly transforms into the prey for the nemetrix’s predators is similar to how he got almost exclusively lightning/electric aliens when against terroranchula Phil the nemetrix’s close proximity to the omnitrix is causing the watch to repeatedly glitch to transform Ben into the prey for the predators
I have a theory that has to do with a later episode with Phil becoming Terroranchula. Ben kept turning into electrical aliens because of an energy output that Phil was putting out, what if Ben kept turning into these six aliens because of a similar energy output?
Edit: and to add onto this, Phil’s Terroranchula form probably had a stronger energy field because he was unstable
And we’ve seen what happens when omnimatrix devices become unstable, the energy physically changes living things around it! Like when Ben broke off the face plate (the energy fused worms and crabs with Stinkfly DNA), when Kevin and Ben tried to hack the watch (Kevin mutated into his “mineral man” body), and when Psychobos took a stabilizer out of the new watch (The surge fused random prisoners with Omnitrix DNA).
The Nemetrix has shown that it is inferior to the Omnitrix by itself, so it would make sense that it would show similarities to a malfunctioning omnimatrix core!
But take this with a grain of salt, it would be cool if the writers thought of this
31:05 That makes sense. So Quickchanges drains Ben's energy not the Omnitrix.
He even once said that it makes him vomit during QuickChanges in "Catfight"
Finally we got the answer.
37:52 I love this concept.
I think what have helped this ending was not reveling the predators before hand and then having 6 unique predator transformations one after the other wouldn't be so boring if u haven't scene it before. This would also have meant ben vs Khyber would haven be given more prominent. But i understand they intended Khyber to be rooks matchup, kyhyber's arsenal of weapons vs rooks Proto-Tool.
also just bcz Khyber has those alien artifacts and caught the predators doesn't mean he is stronger than them, it's something called prep time, he knew the weakness and hence prepared for them by setting traps or using external equipments which their preys won't normally have
and Zed vs Ben and Rook vs Khyber is the fair fight
we need a 'Kuro's opening Lyric's Compilation' for each season where it's just Kuro ad-libing the Omniverse lyrics for each breakdown.
It did take me a little while to get used to Omniverse when it first came out but after the first season i was hooked, Ben 10 will always be my favourite TV franchise
I think a much more interesting way to handle the predators would be the idea of sort of “half counters.” So after establishing which predator pairs with which alien you start putting them against aliens with similar powers. For example Swampfire against Crabdozer, countering the fire still but not having a counter to Swampfire’s plant manipulation.
The Omnitrix has a lot of alien’s with overlapping move sets, and this would have been a great way to show off the strengths and weaknesses of different aliens.
The omnitrix timing out so fast always felt like a error to me because in uaf ben would randomly change back all the time i feel like thats what omniverse was going for but someone in sound design kept placing the timing out noise. That's just my theory because ben always transforms a few seconds later which doesn't make sense if he timed out
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I feel like the Humongosaur Predator probably would've immediately started growing to combat his size change if he actually did it. Kinda like how a future Predator uses an Alien's own move against them.
Maybe Ben would've been physically forced to shrink back by the webbing shot.
29:10 maybe it’s a tech, like how in video games you can cancel specials into other specials, if he transforms as he’s timing out the timer resets? That could be cool.
I was really happy to see Humongousaur & Big Chill in that series but I preferred their original designs over their OV designs. I really miss Humongousaur's ability to grow in size besides him having superhuman strength!
The writers forgot he could grow straight up all the way back in Ultimate Alien. Derrick J Wyatt was asked why didn't Humungosaur grow in Omniverse his answer being none of the writers ever brought it up. They straight up forgot he could.
Ben timing out but still transforming into another alien honestly gives me an idea as to how the timeout function works , according to Omniverse.
Its possible that the timeout function is there to simply prevent the user from staying as a single alien for too long out of fear of it scrambling their DNA and in the event that they're incapacitated or unable to touch the Omnitrix, it returns the user back to their default state unless Master Control is activated or they press the dial again to turn into something else, restarting the timer.
58:39 I feel like Ben's saying that because Rook simply wounded his pride.
Honestly after Alien force where it was night to emphasize everything that was going on it the highbreed and how secret everything was but in Ultimate Alien it would have been nice to see more things in daylight to emphasize how everything has been brought to light with Ben’s identity
Kyber tracking down the thing on Armadrillo’s planet is almost certainly a Dune reference
The fanfiction ben ten guardians does give a reason on why humongoussaur does not grow that often. The muscle strain is crazy and the story also gives more predators, including way bigs and they acknowledge Khyber is a serial killer
I love that fanfic, is Omniverse but so much better.
57:14 man this REALLY caught me off guard. I was laughing so hard
The topic you discuss about the comedy coming at the expense of the conflict reminds me a lot of how the Buu Saga in Dragonball Z is percieved controversially amongst fans of that series. The original Dragonball Anime centered around comedy often, but the sequel to it, DBZ, started to play the stakes straight. They tried to bring the goofier antics back with the Buu Saga, but some of the humor unintentionally undermined some important character bits in the past, as well as interrupting potential arcs for current characters.
Yup, I also noticed that. Even in Super, they tend to overcompensate with comedy at the expense of the plot
no the problems in the buu saga were very different, from the writing of Goku and Ghoan, to the relationship between him and Videl, and the like
Isn't the Terroranchula, Ball Weevil's Predator, what Phil became a hybrid of sorts of? And didn't he also have energy absorption? Energy is the most common type of attack Omnitrix aliens have, so it could be reasoned Khyber went after a Terroranchula not because of Ball Weevil, but as a general counter to many of Ben's forms.
I think he also says the Omnitrix is responsive to Nemetrix energy, so that could be why Ben is trapped with only prey aliens during these fights
The same thing could be said about Mucilator and Slamworm with Ben unlocking their preys after Khyber got them in the flashback. With Arburia and Petropia being destroyed at the time Khyber was hunting, he probably had to look for alternatives for Cannonbolt and Diamondhead and hoped Mucilator and Slamworm would do well respectively.
How surprising how most people don't care if Ben got regressed, instead of having more dark moments in Omniverse. As if they'd be so positive if Batman or Spiderman were in Ben's place.
i think peter parker has gotten regressed way worse in comics than ben could ever
Like, I get the point you're trying to make, but I love Batman The Brave and the Bold show. It's so fun and campy.
@@igg7865 Parker Industries sums that up pretty well. xD
tbh I was like 8 when I first saw this show I didn’t even notice the inconsistent characters ☠️
@@ahaha272I wonder why.
Maybe Nemitrix has a weird resonate signal with the Omnitrix that causes him to randomly become the alien that has a predator....or is pathetically weak against Zed.
Like in the episode Max's Monster.
I find it slightly funny that Ben keeps asking for humungousaur when he has aliens that are just as strong or stronger aliens some of which probably wouldn't have predators. Like Way Big or NRG.
They could have said that maybe the Nemetrix subtley messes with the Omnitrix, too garantee Ben is a Alien they have a Predator fore, woul be bad if Ben just goes Way Big and stomps on Zed. Like it dosnt hack the Omnitrix but some kind of subtley energy wave ore signal that messes up the Alien Selection of the Omnitrix
That cut at the end seems made in post so that it would end on Rook's joke. I'm almost certain the way you edited it is how it was originally supposed to be.
Also, the Servantes erasing Ben's brain bit was brilliant:)
it's definitely miscommunication for the end scene.
All the predator fights in OV are great but this two parter is where it peaks in my opinion. It has similar vibes too when he first fought Albedo, like a genetic rock paper scissors match.
I liked his fight with albedo in the ultimate heist where they used different aliens to counter each other.
Then I realised this is all of what it is from albedo, turning into ultimate humungosaur and spider-monkey for 90% of their fights....
The destruction of the plumber badge convinced me when I was young. Tbh, I think it worked for its intended audience.
What if the Ball Weevils predator was necessary to trap another one Khyber would have trouble catching?
Like in ark for example sometimes you tame a dinosaur to help you tame another one so maybe that was the case
Thank god Reboot came out and became the new punching bag for every fan
For me, I will die on the hill that all the Ben 10 shows were great, warts and all. The reason? They were a fun watch. Sure each one had problems but that never made them lesser then one another or any other show. What defined them was the enjoyment they brought and each one brought a whole heap of fun from character designs, likeable characters, and interesting concepts. So is Omniverse an unparalleled masterpiece? Not by any means but that's okay, we all still had fun and that's what honestly matters. Same with UAF and Classic, heck, I hear plenty of love for the Reboot as well, so cheers!
I 1000% agree. It's probably why I just love Ben 10 in general so strongly.
I mean that's true for all TV shows
What if Khyber, the hunter was in Danny Phantom‘s world, and found the abandon suit of skulker The ghost zone’s greatest huntsman and use its pieces of the suit to make himself even better?
I love the fact that he points out the laziness with them only sticking to aliens that have nemetrix predators. Because I noticed that when I first saw this.
The problem is that the "Wild-mutts" in the null are mutants. Variant DNA. The one in the omitrix is from the last surviving member of the true breed, and being so, was also the peak of the species.
You're own hypothetical analysis of probable races Ben could scan mentioned how he wouldn't be able to scan Rex or the X-men as they're still human, just mutated.
I get your point but just a correction the omnitrix could definitely scan an X men since they're not human. X men are 'Homo superiors' they are a different species that evolved from humans and possess the special 'X genes' in their body.
When were the Null Void Vulpimancers ever called mutants? Everyone in universe just call them Vulpimancers never mutated or anything like that. They're just older from what we know.
that's amazing Kuro is here with us for so long talking about every single episode
I love that Kuro's version of Albedo popped in to help with the intro 😂
37:28
To be fair the North Pole, Amazon Rainforest, Great barrier reef and *florida* all exist on the same planet. Is it so far fetched to think that other alien worlds also have various ecosystems?
yeah like that planet where those light blue Big Chills were, both ice and fire existed, similar could be here, maybe Pyronites live in the desert areas while this Crabdozer wandered off to the forest area for some other work
Kuro I can tell you exactly why that end scene feels so chopped up to where it feels like its a mistake.... because they wanted to end the season on that "told you" joke. Omnitrix will literally make decisions that read as errors for the sake of the joke.
The thing you said about OV fans reminds me of Pokemon. First I need to clarify I am biased towards Gen 5. Gen 5 at it’s release was heavily criticized and a lot of it was unfair, but nowadays apparently everyone has always loved Gen 5 and never ever criticized it. I
do think people get defensive in these situations because the older gens typically don’t get criticized and there are a lot of fans who think they are perfect when they criticize future generations. There are some very die hard Gen 1 fans who will say everything after is bad. Ben 10 probably has people like this as well. The fans of the later series just think everyone criticizing the later entries are just nostalgia boomers who only like the original.
Obviously that’s not true, but maybe that’s what a lot of the negativity these fans see came from resulting into them viewing all the criticism as invalid. I think these fans are thinking “well my series does 9/10 things better than the series you call your favorite, so why are you so harsh on my series”.
Realistically everyone has some biases when criticizing shows they grew up with or spent more time with. They’ll struggle to see the flaws in their favorite, but can point out the flaws in others. That is just a thing people need to accept in other people’s reviews and critiques as well as their own.
There is always some amount of bias since no one can erase fully how a series initially made them feel or the joy they had over the years because of it. That element will always prevent any one series becoming the best or most definitive must play for everyone since everyone processes things differently and might attach themselves to one game that could be worse in several aspects to the most well received game in the series.
I probably lost the point I was initially trying to make when I started, but I think this is still fine.
You got your point across perfectly it really describes fandoms of long running franchises.
I wish they could’ve fixed the nemeatrix so that it doesn’t scramble you brain when you use it. Maybe make it so that instead of going full predator, you can become a sort of hybrid between human and predator.
This may be the Mandela Effect, but I remember when I first saw the episode I saw Humongosaur grow and the Predator just got bigger to compensate. So to me it always did that
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So maybe Humungosaur could've grown out of that cocoon snot. But I just thought, what if that stuff neutralizes that ability and, the Tyrannopede could be more of a stealth hunter. I mean a few scientists had theories of T-Rex being a scavenger rather than hunting a tanking Triceratops in the chase.
Si la mayoría de animales se ocultar de su presa y la atacan antes que pueda reaccionar
The full time scavenger theories getting fairly outdated these days. With how scarred The T-Rex bones are and how other dinosaur fossils show evidence of survived T-rex attacks. I do lean into the idea of the webbing stopping Humungasaur from growing
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 yeah i dont buy into the scavenger theory either. And, what's funny is that the guy who started that theory worked on jurassic Park 2, where he killed off a character who was a parody of a paleontologist friend who disagreed with him. And in the end, his friend loved the death cuz he was like, "See the TRex ate me, it's a hunter! Ha!!"
I think Big Chill's redesign is a fine sidegrade. I think the thought of Big Chill coming out of his intangibility state and you just see this massive creature appearing out of nowhere would be pretty scary.
I think so too, I think that the proportions could be a bit better but I like how he looks with his hood on
also bigger chest = bigger lungs = longer ice breaths
and AF Big Chill is way too scrawny to do things he did in AF, like he stopped an out of control car at high speed with his scrawny arms which would suit OV Big Chill more
@@theamazingspooderman2697 yeah that too, I forgot to mention it. His bigger chest means he can store more air for his icy breaths
Both designs are fine, it's the fact that they're supposed to be the same alien. Same w/ reboot Stinkfly.
It's fantasy though so why does big lungs matter. It's just your head cannon to justify poor design
I remember watching Omniverse when it first aired. The art style was so weird to me, but I liked it. Just glad to see more Ben 10.
Still hoping O.R. Ash will do a series ‘Designing new Nemetrix predators’
And since we've seen the Panuncian evolve, that also sets a precedent for Ultimate predators
Yes I agree
That’s probably harder to do than ultimate forms
@@axelnilsson5124true, There's a lot more creative liberty that comes with it, but also a lot less guidelines. I think Ash would still be up for it though.
This man kuro needs to make a book of all his hair styles. Im really tryna rock some of them
Fun fact: armodrillo predator is beast on the sand worm from beetle juice
42:34 Which makes me wonder. How far gone in a mental state does a human have to be to use the nemetrix?
I'd imagine one that acts more like an animal than a human; I guess the same goes for other sapient species
Omniverse was significantly underrated