Why Clone Trainers HATED Their New Imperial Recruits
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Clone: You suck.
Recruit: And you're old.
Clone: At least I can still aim.
😅😅😅
Technically not that old normally if you take into account the accelerated aging.
LOL
"Look how old you've grown."
"Something far worse has happened to you."
The irony being that many of the newer recruits were likely older than the clone troopers they were talking to
I don't know why but it just feels wrong to see regular people in clone trooper armor
Yeah I felt that way as well. The clone armor gave it's own unique distinction and feels like it was justly earned by all the clones who wear it.
@@kalincheng4265 That is probably another reason why they hate the recruits
@@kalincheng4265 still more aesthetically appealing than stormtrooper armor personally I'm glad it was recruits that were normal and not clones as I was worried that they were going to put some clone troopers that are fan favorites into the group that would be hunting the bad batch actually come to think of it that might have been a good idea
YES. Stormtrooper armor is one thing, but the clone trooper armor is another!
Well the Senate Commandos wore similar armor
"good soldiers follow orders" still sends a chill down my spine
I take it as a sign of Crosshair trying to resistance his implant, but every time he would try too fight it that code phrase kicks in.
YES
In an oppressive government, loyal soldiers are more important than skilled soldiers
Ooh, well said!
Preach
Yes, and the clones are both
happened with Iran, Saddam, Gaddafi, and several African dictators of both political wings
I'm still confused why they wouldn't keep some production of clones tho. Since you can't get more loyal than the clone chips and even without them they already come brainwashed ready from whatever else the kaminoans put in their heads. And then you have an actual part of the army that can fight and win battles rather than be a 5 year old trying to hit a pinata at the party and missing everytime.
I dunno, having both battalions of just recruits and just clones seems like that would work better than one over the other. Then maybe a few experimental mixed battalions to see if integration could affect overall efficiency. Have the natborns do the standing and guarding that established the empires presence and the clones do more actual fighting in areas that gave the empire trouble.
Humans: I have other things to worry about than the empire, I’m not risking my own life
Clones: the Empire is my life...for the empire
@homer 2137 it isn't. Birth programming brainwashes the people into believing their sole purpose is to serve the Republic. There's nothing else in life but the Republic you fight for
Propaganda can only brainwash you to a certain extent. If you experience vile acts that come down from your organization, you start to feel guilty and sympathize with the victims of those atrocities. What if they were your family,your friends? Then you might become rebellious and actively disobey orders, or just defect.
Take the example of Iden Versio, a die hard imperial who learned what the Empire was really like and defected, compared to crosshair,who was only breed for combat by the Republic and didn't have any outside experience or any sympathy for civilians. If the empire tells him to kill everyone, he wouldn't discriminate.
After watching episode 3
Most people: Crosshair shot one of his own men
Me: Where does he keep getting all these toothpicks???
I literally asked the same question lol
Same. The toothpicks just spawn.
I figured he just picks up splinters from planets he visits.
He is a porcupine and just picks them up.
He probably has a small compartment on his amour where he stores like 20 of them.
Crosshair"are you not going to follow orders?"
Recruit"NOO! Theyre civilians!
BANG. Blaster fire
Crosshair"Complete your orders...good soldiers follow orders".
I have to say. He seemed absolutely miserable returning back to 99s barrack without his old team..thx GEETSLYS
Good observation!
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His personality is imprisoned behind the inhibitor chip in his head. You can see it as he was sitting on his bunk.
@@centurian318 exactly. Those are those very small subtle moments that not many people will pick up on..he was torn apart.
Back in the old Legends timeline, a good portion of the Stormtroopers were still Fett clones. They didn't stop making Fett clones, they just added other clones and recruits into the mix.
I hope they are gonna retcon. I thought Vader kept some clones for a personal force. I guess he never cloned new ones tho
Yup, that still exist too.
@@wammert yea Vaders Fist were clones Delta squad if i recall was part of that in Legand i think
They never got use to the 'new' guys.
Honestly, I'm not sure if ut would make much sense to quit clone production just 'cause....
Only reasons I can find are:
- Palpy feared they were too skilled and could be turned against him
- They cost a lot, and storm troopers were cheaper.
- Kamino rebelled
I think the rebellion one happened in legends, but doesn't seem to be all there in Disney canon
Rex really ended up in the best position teaching New Republic Soldiers with the Jedi again
Rex managed to have more than one last day in the glorious grand army of the Republic
Even Cody could be retired, I hope he, omega, Cut and Cut's family will be appears in The Mandalorian season 3.
@@itsfire7168 No, Cody died on kamino in Legends only, Not Canon. Because in Canon, Cody might be changed and he was stay alive until Mandalorian season 3 as New republic era. Thank to Disney, Cody won't be with legends anymore.
I mean, seeing as how these new recruits were replacing them in the clones' only way of life, as well as the new recruits looking upon the clones as old relics of the past. It's kind of reasonable for the Clones to heavily dislike the imperial recruits.
I just thought of something, what if the saying “Good soldiers follow orders.” Is not only the chip, but also in a way a coping mechanism. Because if you rewatch when any of the clones says it. It’s when they “where/are” going to do something they don’t like doing.
Great point! I never noticed that but your right. They’re probably doing it as a way to suppress their strong empathy and compassion and are using it to cope mentally... damn that’s really sad to think about
@Samuel Dimmock Yeah that's a really good point too!
Interesting....
An idea I've been playing with is, what if inhibitor chips didn't exactly take over a clone, but rather pushed them to obey despite their desire to disobey. It would heighten the arguments that would justify war crimes, ease their cognitive dissonance, and suppress any rebellious tendencies.
It inhibits them from thinking clearly and freely!
I like it since it kinda blends the broader legends with TCW & modern canon, allowing room for both kinds of moral questions the two continuities posed.
Then comes Wrecker, more or less wrecking that theory.... ah well.
I think that massacre of the civilians might be why saw radicalized. He sees the empire has no interest in pulling punches so he figured he’d fight fire with fire.
Damn, I really didn't think they were going to go so dark. I'm pleasantly surprised. When Crosshair shot one of Saw's fighters and the woman screamed in terror? That was when I knew Filoni wasn't going to shy away from portraying the Empire's evil. A few minutes after, that thought was cemented in my mind.
The violence also caught me off guard, and I think Disney allows it as they are in a bad spot.
I just enjoy all this smaller known lore, and facts of star wars.
Thank you!
As do I.
Facts
Ad do i
I just enjoy hearing about things that don't focus on goddamn space wizards or over done super-duper weapons.
Did you see the prime ministers face in this episode? They are definetly going to try something. Kamino uprising maybe? Covert aid to the rebel cells? "Oh no, one of our supply ships was ambushed, how sad"
In legends the kaminoans did attempt a clone army that the empire crushed using the 501st clone army, Boba Fett, and Darth Vader... It would be pretty cool to see that translated to the screen!
I trust Filoni. Both the Prime Minister and the head cloner very clearly showed concern, though in separate ways that most likely will intersect.
I think the empire tried to get the best of what both armies during the clone wars had , human ingenuity and droid numbers. Stormtroopers were a good middle ground for them.
This is a good simple way of putting it tbh. Since stormtrooper tactics are generally "more numbers on the field means winning"
It's also a method of exerting control, and knowing the Empire that was the underlying purpose. It was used on sovereign populations in Europe during WWII by the Nazis, Latvia is one example: draw troops from those you subjugate. It creates obedience in a population, which is far more valuable than loyalty is to an oppressive regime.
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Not like the separatists were any better
Recruit: Why did they put him in charge?
Crosshair: *proceeds to reference a very old meme but without the trollface*
Honestly seeing crosshairs in that episode was awesome it really showed the dark side of the empire and the alterations they had done to him affect. Plus it showed that he didn’t have any tolerance for a weak member and honestly I think that these guys are first generation death troopers. Also Good video ;)
Having Crosshair along with the new recruits set the foundation of the Death Troopers sounds pretty interesting.
I felt like it happen way too early imo
It also gives a lot more character to Crosshair, and the Bad Batch
Tarkin on the cost of clones:their too expensive
Tarkin on the DeathStar: Imperial credit printer go brrrrrrrrrrrr
He can't have his death disco ball if he keeps paying for decent troopers. Who needs a good army when you can put all your eggs in a single basket that plan has no way of ever going wrong right?
just today I witnessed a new recruit hit his head on a blast door during maneuvers blasted idiots What a disgrace to the Heritage and legacy of a once truly incredible fighting force
Are you talking about that storm trooper that hit his head on the blast door in that scene from a new Hope
I once saw a Clone who punched a Droid, he broke his hand and was gunned down a second later.
@@nobleman9393 So have I
It was a journal entry mentioned in TFU2.
You know when crosshair executed his own guy, i straight up expected the other soldiers to all point their weapons at him and execute him right back
They were probably too afraid to try and risk getting gunned down on the spot.
@@spiderboy43 or maybe they actually wanted promotions and a raise and as such were only hesitating a bit with the order, hindered only by the guy speaking up. I doubt the flamethrower guy had any problem with painful killings.
edit: typos
True
@@eyeballpapercut4400 hope the flame dude gets a worse heated one but with a bigger fuel capacity for more pain
“Although I never taught anyone in the stormtrooper corps anything, I’m sure data from operations I participated in were studied, however, a lot of my doctrine that I developed over the years clearly got discarded by the Scout Trooper Corps.“ CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, former Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Find it ironic that Tarkin went out of his way to check the Bad Batch but not the new recruits. I wonder how far the bias of the Empire will go. Maybe someone will create biological weapons to target clones like in Legends
We never really got used to the new guys
OG battlefront 2
FOR THE 501ST!!!
I love the show and hope Wrecker’s inhibitor chip didn’t activate in the crash when he hit his head.
I really hope we still see Commander Cody in the Bad Batch
now picture Cody getting killed by Rex or the Bad Batch out of lack of any other choice
Maybe Cody and Omega leaving Bad batch behind in explosions at the end of The bad batch show, Cody and Omega went to with Cut and his Family, even it will be spin-off Commander Cody series where taking place as same as Star Wars: Rebels.
i would probably like cody to cross paths with crosshair and team up to escape?
@@H1ydra No, Cody can't be with Crosshair, That leak was total lie.
If Clone Troopers continued to be produced. Venators, carriers, etc would likely still be produced but mainly to assist Imperators. For strategical purposes etc. Basically, you'd see something that Thrawn prob would have done.
I just wanna see a clone drill sergeant that torments new recruits, full metal jacket style. An entire episode that depicts stormtrooper basic training.
The lack of respect for their commanding officers definitely plays a significant role in why Clones despised the conscripted soldiers.
We see as much with the Elite Squad trooper 01 and how he has no respect for Crosshair given his status as a clone. ES trooper 01 even went as far as to take status as mission leader, Granted the trooper did have a good intentions in mind that the civilians should not be executed and instead be taken in for questioning. A line of thought that led to him getting Shot unfortunately.
Honestly I thought he kinda deserved it for putting down Crosshair and the clones by calling them "clone" and degrading them.
Fun fact: the guy who bunked his head on the Death Star is canonically a clone of Jango Fett.
really? source?
@@stockphotooldman4199 wookieepedia and George Lucas
@@commandercody2980 wow, he must be really old for a clone
@@stockphotooldman4199 he might've just been a recent batcher
Crosshair pulled a no Russian.
He pulled a General Shepard
I understood thay reference.
Even if i haven't played Call of Duty
@@bigafroman4277 *General
@@ImaPotato21 apologies. I always get them mixed up
I'm still curious how they retired/deactivated all of the clones. Something tells me the Empire didnt give them Retirment packages with full benefits on some beach planet. No knowing them something much darker was done to them and I hope they show that in the Bad Batch.
Organ donors
@@drkinferno72 oof now that would certainly not be pleasant. Though in that scenario wouldn't the organs age twice as fast given they're in genetically modified clones. Just a thought.
imagine this if rex stayed with the empire and was the commander of the 501st but darth vader makes them look cool in black or sum like there guards
You had those Storm Troopers who left Imperial service in the Legends novels. Allegiance and Choices of One by Timothy Zahn and also featuring everyone's favorite legends female character.
“That’s an order, trooper.”
Welp, orders are orders. And you know what they say about good troopers. ;D
Omega went full Vietnam tunnel rat but without killing. Wrecker is such a lad. He is deffo my fav.
I'm getting the feeling that we're seeing the birth of two separate groups. The Stormtrooper Corps, and the Purge Troopers.
We do know that at least one squad of Purge Troopers were clones, and the Bad Batch armor is almost the same colors as the Purge Troopers. I can see the High Inquisitor coming to Kamino and asking for Crosshair to become the first Purge Trooper for the Inquisitorious
Clones: replaced by recruits
Recruits: trained by those clones
(The recruits are doing poorly)
trainer from the 41st Elite core: "UGGHHH not this again."
I can think of three reasons:
1. It’s pretty disgraceful to see humans wearing the armor of brave heroic soldiers who fought and died fighting for the Republic. They don’t see serve to wear the armor. Heck, if I got the armor I’d feel ashamed to wear it since I didn’t earn the right to wear the armor of brave heroic soldiers.
2. Clones are way superior to regular humans. So it’s pretty egregious and insulting that the mighty Empire will not use better qualified soldiers soldiers.
3. Stormtroopers can’t aim and they are pretty incompetent.
It really makes me wonder if the Rebel Alliance would have lost if the Empire continued to use Clone Troopers. Clones were truly the best of the best.
Recruited soldiers could make a decent garrison force with Clones providing the primary combat force.
Or at least make the clones an elite unit tasked with the hardest objectives.
That's a joke right Stormtroopers are so good at shooting and combat
@@xavierterrelong9385 relatively speaking, yes. The films do indicate a level of proficiency above that of a typical modern soldier. However, they are also demonstrated to lack the resolve of clone troops, being more prone to defection and disloyalty than the Clones. Many of the Rebellion's best soldiers defected from the Imperial Military. Biggs Darklighter from the Imperial Navy Starfighter Corps, Jan Dodonna of the Imperial Navy, Crix Madine from Imperial Special Forces, Han Solo from the Imperial Army, Alexsander Kallus from the Imperial Security Bureau, and others. These were the most high profile accounts and we know of many others. Far more than were known to have defected from the Clone Army.
@@ibrahimmekonnen8259 The thing is that the Kaminoans likely produced a substantial number of clone troops. Canon numbers claim approximately 1.2 million available at the start of the Clone War with millions more in various stages of development, as well as 5 million more ordered during the war. We also know that military campaigns shown the Clone Wars TV show make very little sense if taken at face value, since they suggest entire planets of hundreds of millions to billions of people can be conquered and occupied by about a dozen divisions, something that is demonstrably false if we examine the real world. A study by the Rand Corporation as well as an examination of occupation forces throughout recent history shows that there needs to be approximately 1 soldier for every 50 inhabitants to secure a relatively peaceful occupied region. When an active insurgency is likely, such as can be seen on separatist worlds, the necessary number of troops can be much higher. Since we know that the Clone Army was supposed to be the main Republic fighting force and that it was supposed to be able to fight the droid army to a relative stalemate, we can infer that it was likely several hundred million troopers strong.
It should be noted that the canon numbers come from interpreting Lama Su's statement to Obi-wan in Attack of the Clones, where he says, "200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way." The term "Unit" is vague because it can mean many things. It could mean a single Clone, it could mean a Unit in the military sense, putting its size somewhere between 80 and 3,000 men (unit in military parlance is any independent command with a specific type function, applied to Companies, Battalions, and Regiments. Smaller groupings are subunits, which can also apply to non-independent companies, and larger groupings are formations), or it could mean something else. Based on what we see in the shows, films, and books, which is that clones die or are severely wounded at a rapid rate, we can safely assume that unit cannot mean a single clone, since an army of 1.2 million at the start of the Clone Wars would be rendered combat ineffective by the end of the first year. That first year saw several major battles and campaigns, which saw heavy losses to Republic forces and would almost certainly have whittled the force down to almost nothing.
As such, it can be safely assumed that a unit is something larger than one clone. The interpretation I personally prefer is that a unit is equal to a battalion. We see in Attack of the Clones that the clone troops board the transport ships in blocks of about 624 troops. This fits with canonical unit scaling, since a Clone Battalion is canonically 576 effectives (riflemen who actually kill things), putting the Battalion Headquarters at 48 men. This would put the clone army at the start of the war closer to 748.8 million, with the 200,000 units available at the start of the war totaling some 124.8 million men. This is much more believable as an army intented for a galaxy spanning conflict and is justifiable since Tipoca City isn't the only city on Kamino. It's just the capital of a world with 1 billion inhabitants.
So, with 748.8 million troopers either ready or nearly ready at the start of the war, it is also stated that the GAR was a total of 3.2 million units (as stated in Star Wars: Complete Locations), which brings the total up to 1.9968 billion men. The Senate then orders 5 million more units (TCW Pursuite of Peace, TCW Senate Murders), which translates to 3.12 billion troopers. This order isn't placed until 21 BBY, however, meaning those troopers would not be ready until 11 BBY. As such, the force available for the war is whatever troops were already grown or almost ready on Kamino, which is just short of 2 billion clones.
As such, we can see that the Clone Army has a substantial force of troops. If we assume a casualty rate of 30% over the course of the war, approximately 599,040,000 clones would be killed or wounded during the war. This amounts to 542,608 per day during the 1,104 day long conflict (using the Galactic Standard Calendar year length of 368 days). According to Legends content, the First Battle of Geonosis occured on the 21st day of the 5th Month of the year 22 BBY (at the time 13 After ReSynch). It ended on the 23rd day of the 5th month of the year 19 BBY, 3 years and 2 days later. This reduces the total casualty rate per day to 541,627.
This means that, after the Jedi Purge and the Declaration of the New Order, there were approximately 1,397,760,000 clone troopers fit for duty, roughly 2.2 million battalions, assuming none of the wounded clones returned to duty. Combined with the potential addition of 3.12 billion additional troopers by 11 BBY and the possibility of more troopers being already in the training process during the war allowing for a possible increase in strength each year, we have solid core of dependable soldiers, absolutely loyal to the Empire. They would also be able to provide sufficient forces to man all stormtrooper legions assigned to Imperial Star Destroyers (25,000 in canon and legends) 5.76 times over. As such, I find it very plausible that the Clone Army at the end of the Clone Wars could be large enough to serve as the Stormtrooper Corps while supplemented by volunteers and conscripts serving in the Imperial Army and Imperial Navy. To increase genetic diversity, particularly promising recruits and possibly some non-clone veterans of the Clone Wars could be used as new genetic donors for a new generation of clone troops. This could allow the Empire to garrison important sites, such as Scarif, Jedda, Endor, and the Death Stars, with more politically reliable clone troops rather than relying on the fickle loyalties of natural born recruits.
Nicholas Walsh That would’ve meant the clones cost around over 1 trillion credits, which is around 19 years before the Galactic Empire had the finances for the Death Star. Yes, it is indeed true that the clones seem so small in numbers, because it’s a galaxy filled with planets that have billions of people. Usually however, the clones garrisoned in large cities of a planet, so that’s why taking planets like Felucia rested the entire clone war duration because it was so a planet that there was nothing for there to garrison. There also were insurgents, but not so much against the Republic. The clones would’ve only been needed to divide on high priority planets to maintain order. It is one of the reasons separatists were able to hold planets for a long time because they had so much droids to occupy and control
Storm troopers: NO, you can't kill civilians, that's a war crime!
Clone troopers: Haha, good soldiers follow orders.
Meanwhile in CIS: [laugh in droid]
You make me want to see moments of Rebel heroes fighting clones more and more.
Considering how tech was trying to find a way to remove the inhibitor chips and hunter feeling bad about leaving crosshair I feel like they will get crosshair back and fight an “evil” “bad batch” just my thoughts
Remember in episode 7 when kylo wanted a clone army but hux wanted his brainwashed troopers
Maybe because post republic non clone troopers were *definetly* not ready to conduct warcrimes massacres and executions as often ordered by the empire and used to being seen as heroes
I bet it was surprising when the few non Clones that showed competence an ability were found by the Instructors. Especially if they seemed to be ALMOST as good as their fellow Clones.
The Rebellion also had Clones within their ranks but unlike Imperial Clones, Rebel Clones were proud of their Human and Alien recruits. That’s probably because the Rebellions teachings were of teamwork, honor, and all that positive stuff what actually made the army of a Insurgency vastly superior than the Empire that supposed to overwhelm them.
There was probably an account of their previous experiences during the war as well.
As a conclusion: Tarkin was not as brilliant as everybody thought. He thought too much towards one direction and failed to see the bigger picture. His way of thinking was good for his own survival during a hunt. But as a leader of an entire army, he was mostly unsuccessful. He was not a good leader of people. He would have been much better off with clones. But he did not see that, he wanted all the money for his big toy, which was a total failure, too. If he did not like the Jango Fett clones, he could always chosen another DNA sample.
Loving the show so far. I hope we get to see more regular clones and their dark depictions though. They may be more evil now but their time is limited so I want to see as much of them as I can before they are phased out entirely
Yeah same! I completely agree!
Crossairs scenes in the 3rd episode are fucking awesome
Ah commissar Crosshair
Expanded Universe is bloody great
The stormtrooper Cody was training is probably the same one that banged his head on a blastdoor in New Hope
Problem is the Jango fett DNA was degrading so they had to have found a replacement
Boba fett would have been the best match. While he was a clone his DNA was not modified at all
They should not have used the template of only one individual.
Clone troopers are the best troopers in all Star Wars. The only ones that I could see being as good are the old republic troopers. I mean that one guy blew up a grenade just to try and kill Malgus
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I always felt that while the Empire could have recruited huge numbers of storm troopers as well as regular soldiers for the various military branches. They REALLY should have maintained a large number of clone troopers. First have clone commando as a sort of special forces unit, with clone commandos and commanders also training non-clone troops, and finally a large formation lead by clone commanders, with a significant percentage of the rank and file consisting of clone troopers, but using battle droids, such as droidikas, various spider droids, etc…, as their heavy weapons and fire support units. They could even include close air support units, equipped with droid gunships. Integrated with the units themselves, and even tri-fighter droids, vulture and Hyena droids to provide anti-air defense and heavier bombing units for hitting targets behind the line.
Using modern equivalents, the clone commandos would be the specialty smaller unit special forces, such as the SEALs, Green Berets, Delta force, with the larger units with clone commanders, troopers and droid units being like US Ranger Battalions, for when larger units are needed than say the SEALs, but they also required units better trained and equipped than standard infantry units.
This would give the Empire not only great flexibility, but give them a range of options for dealing with any potential threats, while making their advanced ground forces far more effective then what they ended up with.
This episode makes me wonder what would have happened if clone force 99 carried out their mission to kill the rebels because they only brought in civilian clones after the bad batch failed and proved the disloyalty of the clones to the empire
Gonna level with y'all, I get why The Empire would switch to regular recruits for most purposes, but they should have maintained cloning operations on Kamino for special units like the 501st or the 212th... That way they get a few super elite units useful for putting down well armed rebels like during the Galactic Civil War, and they save costs on keeping reg recruits for most things like security.
Love it and love how many vids you do focused on the clones and other aspects of the universe (even if I don't watch your uploads in order lol).
I get a bit worn by a single minded focus on space wizards and find there's so much more depth and realism in shows like the bad batch, Mandalorian and one thing I really liked about the Clone Wars even if Jedi were prominent.
It still feels weird to see the clones being the bad guys
I hope we still see a lot of it, at the same time I hope that The Bad Batch doesn't destroy the clone and take away the value and honor they had. They were the best soldiers in the galaxy and should stay that way and we as fans should see too that it was almost a mistake by the empire
@Michael Mazurczyk That wasn't what I meant, but also an interesting statement, the producers said that as the series progresses, you will see the BB change their minds about the regs, the more information they get (from omega, rex etc) I hope but that Dave. The one who made the clone sp good and made it the best. Now it is not destroyed either. I want the series to be worthy of the clone in the end. The series primarily serves TCW fans and they want to know what to do with Happened to the clones (The whole army, rex, cody, wolf, gregor etc). I hope you don't ruin it. For "normal" Star Wars fans it might not matter. But especially for TCW fans it would be bad.
@Michael Mazurczyk sorry that "you" is my phone locker often. Hope you have understood what I mean
I completely agree! I also don’t think the majority of Clones, there are exceptions, were not cruel or ruthless enough, without being under the mind control of inhibitor chips, to constantly kill and abuse innocents.
Most Clones we see are shown as being good men, who are kind, very empathetic, friendly and caring. I believe most Clones were fundamentally good people at heart whose good qualities outweighed their bad. I hope to see the regular clones reaction to this stuff when the chips are deactivated, if they are.
@@jonathanmarcus1096 The producers said that as the series progressed, the BB would change its point of view and opinion about the regs, so hope we see the clones we like again
@@abdullahbajrami6816 Yep! I second that and agree wholeheartedly! I want to see what happens to our favorite named Clones. Maybe they’ll introduce some new ones too!
Not once dis it occur to me that regular humans would be in that armor.
I always (or at least before Di$ney Star Wars) hoped for a "Band of Brothers" inspired series, following a group of fresh Stormtrooper recruits, starting around the end of episode 3, with the ending being, maybe, around the end of episode 4, or 5.
But the important thing would be that it should've focused on making the empire look like the "good faction", since MANY/most stormtroopers joined the army willingly.
Bad Batch is the next best thing, close to that idea.
There’s another benefit to having conscript soldiers as opposed to clones. Clones assigned to a planet could be seen as an occupying force, outsiders that the population could rally against. But if you pull your soldiers from the population then they’re no longer outsiders. Stormtroopers could be your friend, brother, or someone you knew before they joined the core. It’d be harder to convince a larger population to rally against them and would be easier to comply. After all, if someone you’re in good favor with is a part of this, then surely it can’t be all bad.
"Good thing those stormtroopers can't aim" 😉
8:40 makes sense. Inhibitor chip says jump, clone says “how high?”.
I thought the biggest reason for replacing the clones was that they could be used against former Jedi that joined the dark side.
One of the things about the Empire that I find... Disappointing, is the highly competitive and hostile nature of it's military.
Heck if the Training that Ezra went through whilst undercover is anything to go by, Stormtroopers were taught that leaving injured soldiers behind for the sake of the mission is acceptable.
Rebels visualized this by the recruits being ordered to climb out of a pit, handed a blaster and were told to win at any cost, only those who came out first would be rewarded this was done by the cadets firing upon each other. This does NOT make for a strong military, instead it makes a loosely connected yet well organized and well equipped collection of independent soldiers who only care about the mission (and glory).
I think this was best visualized at the battle of Atollon where Admiral Constantine (whilst in command of an interdictor cruiser and serving under the command Grand Admiral Thrawn) broke formation to engage the Rebel flagship, after Thrawn personally contacted his ship to tell to get back in formation, Constantine not only insulted (or at least he tried to insult) his superior but he also disobeyed direct orders, his disobedience soon got him killed and threw Thrawn's battle plan into disarray, allowing the Rebels to get help and forcing Thrawn to force them to ground, instead keeping them in space where he had the advantage.
It's arrogant officers like Constantine and careless foot soldiers who litterally watch their mates get shot but still advance forward without checking their wounds that made it easy for the Rebels to evade the Empire, they were fighting themselves almost as much as they were fighting the Rebels.
Thank you for the taking the time to read this rant.
I said this on one of Eckhartsladder’s newer videos, but the moment that one spec ops trooper talked smack to crosshair, I knew he was a dead man. xD
The 4 dislike is the New Imperial recruits the one wearing elite black armor.
1:15 when rex hit his head on the pipe in that clone wars episode
I mean… if you were told you were being let go, but you’re getting kept around long enough to train your replacement-you’re not gonna be showing much love to the replacement eh?
“You can’t see anything in these helmets”
They should have just cut the clone production by 70 % when there was no war and if there was an active war raise production by 50%
Clone: THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!
War crimes are only crimes if you lose. Just look at the allies in WW2 they committed lots of war crimes but very few of them were punished.
Recruit: noooo you can’t just shoot innocent civilians
Clones: haha good soldiers follow orders
Why were they forced into training positions and then retirement so soon if Rex was still a capable fighter well into the galactic civil war? The imperial 501st in the old canon were all old clones that served for over 20 years and took part in the battle of Hoth
You and theory are the best star wars youtubers. Everybody else is clickbaiting or discussing dull topics
Is it coming out on DVD? I don't subscribe to any streaming service so this is important if I'm to see it at all.
The Empire should've maintained a diverse but segregated military of human types. Human recruits would be the first line of defense on occupational roles or units on Imperial worlds. However, this won't be their exclusive role since they're far more flexible. First assault waves during campaigns would be comprised of Spaarti Clone units with human recruits bolstering or reinforcing Spaarti units during a secondary assault wave or as a reactionary force to Spaarti units. The final strategic line of defense or plan of attack would consist of Fett Clones bringing up the rear as a reserve unit, tertiary assault wave and as a relief or replacement unit for exhausted troops in the first and second waves. This state of readiness would bring strategic effectiveness to ground or naval structures. When compared to irl these levels of encounter are comparable to their real world examples or counterparts. Such as escalation of force or ROEs (rules of engagement).
excellent work and the bad batch is indeed what we have been waiting for
Storm troopers can actaully be pretty effective, when the plot armor doesnt appear out of no where and makes them useless. Its been awhile but i remember some storm troopers in comics and novels in legends had really good training and even gave the main characters a hard time. Despite what we see on screen in novels and comics the storm troopers were far more deadlier fighting force.
I love the Black Trooper Armor. It looks really cool.
A flame thrower turned on civilians. Dark indeed
I mean blind obedience is nice, sure, but for suppressing thousands of potentially rebellious worlds, you need numbers. Numbers you can't afford with expensive clones.
Same for the Navy: Thrawn was advocating for larger numbers of smaller ships to be everywhere, while Tarkin did the opposite: fewer, beefier ships so that when you show up, you can easily crush any opposition. And said opposition knows that. Of course he went overboard with Death Starts and Superstardestroyers.
Good soldiers follow orders
Great vid Geetslys, looking forward to more Bad Batch.
Just came here because Eck is having a hard time with Mass Effect Remastered.
Either it's a terrible PC port or his flight stick made things weird.
Anyways, where did that Commander Cody quote come from in Legends?
Love the Battlefront 1 intro sounds.
Truth is, Kamino is actually our earth! It flooded by the aliens from the movie "Abyss," after anger over pollution. They then evolved to what they became in star wars
This reminds me of the Clans and Inner Sphere in mechwarrior ^_^
Personally I think what the empire should’ve done was breed clones as simply officers, commanders, and captains. While having conscription forces for more rank and file units(keeping both parties happy while keeping an effective fighting force)
lOyAlTy? Only a handful of clones ever defected!? WHAT? 😂
In Legends and possibly even in new Canon, the Inhibitor Chips/brainwashing would only work for so long, in Legends there were a fair few Clones who did not go along with Order 66 and actively either let their Jedi Commanders escape or helped them do it. Also, with how we see Clones later on in like Rebels and so on there is plenty of evidence to show that the effects of the chips would eventually wear off. In Legends, Emperor Palpatine never fully trusted the Clones, partly because they had been originally trained and brought up to be Defenders of a Republic that was no longer there and the other part because far more Clones than even he thought rebelled against Order 66. I believe the Empire only has 1 Clone Regiment in Legends and possibly Canon as well and that is the 501st, mostly because Vader demanded it stating he felt more capable with the Clones.......
Clones had also Order 37, which would have been a tad too much for recruits to swallow
Isn't it funny how the empire in Star wars is a perfect resemblance of modern America which is basically a military mercenary group
I hope we get an Kaminoan rebellion in canon....be interesting how much it’ll be influenced from Battlefront 2 if at all.
The clones were pretty much the best soldiers throughout the 6 factions (Clones, Droids, Empire, Rebels, Alliance, First Order) because they were genetically modified to be so. That's pretty much where it ends though, they would always BE soldiers (at least the bulk of them if you exclude special cases). Since fighting is all they know and all they were born and bred to do, it goes to say that their mental lack of flexibility to empathize with non-soldier would always be their downfall. They were a direct threat to the populace at large as there basically was no war, just small 'rebel cells' or 'insurgents', so their inability to empathize would also be a huge detriment to people who were still reeling over the change from the Republic to the Empire.