*SHREK 2* is better than I thought
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The 'I Need A Hero' sequence is unironically one of the best scenes in animation history.
Deadass bro it goes unbelievably hard!
It is the best scene in cinema history
How would it ironically be one of the best?
@@phillytothej4001 ... if it wasn't actually one of the best - you just say it is? it's not that hard of a concept....
It goes waaaay harder than it has any right to for a silly kids’ film
There's also an end credit scene, Donkey is quietly singing "all by myself" until Dragon flies over and then 5 dragon/donkey mutant babies fly over. So apparently her "moodiness" was because she was pregnant 😅
Was sad she didn't see that. Wanted to see her reactions to Donkey's kids. ☺️
I can't believe nobody told/warned her to watch post credits
Since donkey drank the portion does that mean Dragon changed too?
@@symbionicrex10 probably
@@symbionicrex10 Unless she's already a perfect beauty, according to dragon standards.
I love all the easter eggs pointing to Harold originally being a frog throughout the movie. Lillian talking about their dates by the lily pond, the lady frog recognizing him at the tavern 😂 it's great.
her name being Lillian too
i feel like i vaguely recall that when Godmother threatens to take back his happy ending his face is even lit green by her wand?
Plus their bedroom in the castle has a pond/lily pads designs on the walls.
@@isaihernandez4746I don't get it
@@Marvelfanatic3658The diminutive of 'Lillian' happens to be 'Lily'
To clarify what happened to Fairy Godmother at the end, she cast a spell that basically cancels out all the magic within a target. If the spell hit Shrek or Fiona, it would have turned them back into ogres. When it hit Harold, it turned him back into a frog, and when the spell bounced off his armor and hit Fairy Godmother, it destroyed her because she's a purely magical being.
Hm. I saw it more as a "kill" spell, she really wanted her revange, hence why she died, but the king's armor deflected most of it so he was less affected? (In my theory, that also might explain why in Shrek 3 -SPOILER REDACTED-, which came a bit out of nowhere.)
Your explanation makes sense, but I feel it's too nice for the evil character that she is. "Ill just turn you back into ogres, that'll teach you!" And then what, how does that even help her in any way?
@@leovk5779 I think in her mind, just having Shrek's "divine beauty" taken away and being an ogre is punishment enough. Plus, she was all about spoiling her son, so she likely wanted to see Charming fulfill his role by slaying the "monster" and getting the girl.
@@peterseaboldt1250 Maybe, yeah. But she clearly aims at both of them, so it would also have made Fiona an ogre too. Any plan was out the window, I'm thinking she was more seeking revenge, but having Charming slaying "Shrek the monster" makes sense.
@@leovk5779 If she turned Fiona into an ogre, Fairy Godmother could easily have turned her back, because Fiona's not "really" an ogre in the first place. In fact, some believe that Fairy Godmother is really the witch that caused her situation to begin with.
@@peterseaboldt1250 Nah. That I don't believe at all: it's a curse, and even Fairy Godmother wasn't able to lift it easily. Everything points to that: she tried to send Charming, but too late; if she could have lifted the curse at any time, I don't think she would have missed the opportunity. Also, in Shrek 4 (SPOILERS just in case obviously) we see the parents desperate that say that even Fairy Godmother couldn't do anything, which means that even without Shrek her plan FAILS and Charming likely gets killed by the dragon. Fiona, having waited for so long, then rescue herself, with the curse not lifted.
Also, after Shrek 1, yes Fiona IS really an ogre, the curse is lifted. She is, and I quote "beautiful in the eyes of her lover". That is her true form now, not just the curse lingering.
The potion in Shrek 2 only temporarily turns her back into a human, and only true love's kiss could have definitively turned her into a human again (a power stronger than the curse, like in Shrek 1 and even Shrek 4, a power that even the Fairy Godmother cannot wield at will.)
Shrek 2 is pure gold that expands the universe perfectly while still maintaining the lovable characters, the humor and a beautiful soundtrack
my most favorite of the franchise
Shrek 2 is a all time classic.
my most favorite of the franchise
Certified Hood Classic
an*
Yep this movie is a classic, I still have a VHS Tape of the movie.
"I Need A Hero" is truly a staple of iconography for all us late millennials and early Zoomers. That whole scene is etched into my brain vividly. Probably the hypest moment of my childhood, right next to when Peter chose to be Spidey again in SM2
For us Gen-Xers, it's always Ren McCormick playing chicken on a tractor
The communication scene from Close Encounters of the Third Kind blew me away as a kid (the whole movie was incredible, but that scene in particular stands out).
Yes I LOVE that scene 0:01
See also _Short Circuit 2._
I think 90% of the love this movie gets is entirely the whole "holding out for a hero" climax, it just absolutely perfect.
best movie to do it since short circuit 2
Dreamworks casually creating one of the most iconic music sequences in animated film ever will forever amaze me
Dreamworks definitely beats Disney
@@Kenny-ep2nf considering they also have the How to Train Your Dragon franchise, I agree with your statement
@@Jim_The_Fish and even with the other stuff like Shrek
How to train your dragon 2 and kung fu panda 2 also did a great job expanding on the originals the trilogies themselves are great as well
The ending sequence to "Holding out for a hero" has lived rent free in my brain since I first saw it at eight years old and will continue to do so past eighty years old
Hell the soundtrack here is even better than the original
The “Enough Reggie” joke will always be one of my favorites, just because he said his name. It’s surprising how much funnier that made the joke lol
Can you explain the joke, please?
Gingy saying “we’re up chocolates creek without a popsicle stick” flew over my head more times than it should have 😂
Facts😅😅
My favorite comedies are the ones where there are little jokes like that sprinkled in and you only realize them after several watches. There aren’t many, but there’s just enough.
I still don't get it. English is not my first language and my language's dub said "It seems our mission impossible ended up being impossible".
@@Dairunt1 It’s a nod to “we’re up sh!t creek without a paddle” I believe
This movies rendition of "I need a hero" is such a banger👏🏽👏🏽
I will die on the hill that it's the best version of that song
Yep Jennifer Saunders showing she more than just a great comedian
The fact that this movie gave us TWO amazing versions of I Need a Hero, Jennifer Saunders version and Frou frou (the one that plays at the end credits)
@@liamisaac1152 I was about to say that. Shrek soundtrack is life.
Natalie, in case you didn’t know, Counting Crows actually wrote “accidentally in love” for this movie sequence. The sequence has already been animated and when wheezer (the original choice) fell out, Counting Crows was hired and asked to write a love song to match the pace of the already existing intro sequence
Nice! Didn't know that.
Damn that songs slaps and I didn’t even know that, thanks mate
Shit, I didn't know that either. That's awesome.
26:12 In the Latin-american Spanish version of the King’s secret reveal, Donkey makes a similar joke, saying “and he said you were green and ugly” instead, and it cracks me up TO THIS DAY 😂
I always thought they could do an entertaining short with the story of Dragon suddenly turning into whatever the “beauty devine” version of her is when Donkey was the stallion. Having no idea why it happened, just waking up as something totally different then suddenly changing back at midnight would have to be a wild, WTF type experience.
Dragon was supposed to be shown as a Pegasus
The climax is about 85% as to why I'd believe Shrek 2 is as loved as it is, but the whole movie is gold.
The first Shrek was an amazing achievement from Dreamworks and a great parody kinda movie. With 2 it's like they really hit their stride in using the parody bits and making it a full fledged movie.
It was meant to be Jeffrey Katzenberg's act of flashing a middle finger at Disney. But the whole franchise ended up becoming a cultural icon.
The sequel did what sequels are supposed to do, but very few have ever actually accomplished. "Shrek 2" is on the very short list of sequels, ever made, that have been inarguably superior to the original film! Aside from "Shrek 2," these are the only ones I can think of, off the top of my head:
1. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Terminator II
4. Aliens
5. The Dark Knight
And... That's basically it! lol (great sequels are hard to make...)
And they have so many pop culture parodies which made it fun for parents as well. My favorite part is when Mongo scares the customers away from "Farbucks" and everybody goes running across the street into another Farbucks.
@@LadyIarConnacht I personally love the "White Bronco chase scene looking like cops, would never put that together as a kid.
@@jacob4920 httyd 2 is a good sequel too
So happy you enjoyed Puss so much! He has two solo outings that I think you’d absolutely love, one of which is quite possibly the best in the Shrek franchise! And that’s obviously nothing to scoff at with how phenomenal this movie is.
Just like Donkey has become for Eddie Murphy, I think that Puss is the perfect career send-off for Antonio Banderas. Both were pretty hot stuff in their younger years, but now, they're iconic, so all anybody needs to do is hear their voices, and they know who they are. Nobody needs to see how much either man is aging, they just need to hear their voices, and pretend otherwise. lol
@@jacob4920it’s also hilarious that Puss is just a cat version of Zorro, which is Banderas’ most iconic role
Puss in Boots 2 is probably on of my favorite sequels, close to HTTYD 2.
well these movies are great, that's without a single doubt, but it's kinda sad, that the origin story of puss doesn't by any mean correlate with his real origin story where he was actually Ogre killer. he didn't have a career based on that, but he's famous for killing one and that's why he's said to be suited for killing ogres in this movie
there were so many nods to other media in this movie (example: when puss and donkey are singing and it says "and go dancing in the rain", he sits in the chair and pulls the chain to make water rain down - that's an iconic scene from the 80's movie 'flashdance'), it's amazing. definitely one of the best sequels ever made.
I love that at some point someone thought to make the giant cookie screech exactly like Godzilla
Somehow, this movie ranks among not only the all-time greatest sequels, but the all-time greatest comedies, as well. You know, considering that comedy tends to age quickly and badly more often than not, it is impressive how this movie of all examples is among the exceptions.
Yes Shrek is one if the best franchises!
The humor has aged well. Esp that fast food scene!
The movie is so good for so many reasons- the humor, the message, the animation. But, for me personally, the number one reason why it's good is because of the soundtrack. How was this movie able to produce/track down not only one, but TWO amazing covers of I Need a Hero?! Both are BANGERS!!
Also, I don't know if you know, but there is a mid-credit scene were Donkey and Dragon reunite. And she has a BIG surprise for him.
Glad to see you enjoy the movie.
Not to mention Accidentally In Love was actually made for this movie!
If you like Puss In Boots, the new film is actually amazing. Exceeded all my expectations.
And puss in boots 1. They're both good plus, it would give more context to Kitty's character and their relationship.
@@aritw5726 What are both movies called.
Natalie: “There’s like a 10% chance that I have seen this…”
Also Natalie: “I’m 99% sure I haven’t seen this”
…
The math ain’t mathing Natalie
I think she first said 90% then she said 99%
The Fairy Godmother really is the fantasy mob boss.
Also, the best bonus features was for Shrek 2, with different characters singing popular songs that fit them unusually well, like the three blind mice singing "I can see clearly now" and Prince Charming singing "I'm too sexy for my shirt".
The Beverly Hills scene is packed with easter eggs, its so much fun to search for them. Versachery, Burger Prince, Gap Queen, Farbuck's Coffee, Baskin Robin Hood, Epiphany and Co., Saxxon Fifth Avenue, Old Knavery, Banana Kingdom...
For the rest of my life I will hold fast that Shrek 2 is one of the best sequels of all time. It builds on the world, lore and characters in such a great way. The "I need a hero" sequence always gets me so pumped!
It’s such a masterpiece I even rewatch it after all those years
This “I Need a Hero Moment” is my favorite part of the movie but nostalgically also makes me think of the “I Need a Hero” moment in Short Circuit 2,… another sequel… and coincidentally it’s my favorite part of that movie also lol
I was (roughly) 6 and 9 when the first two Shrek films came out. They amaze me with their quality to this day, especially the soundtracks and choices of popular songs as they relate to the narrative. I teach the "I Need a Hero" sequence in my music classes! So glad you enjoyed them both!
truly a remarkable sequence. Musical Academia doesn't give enough credit to music work in Cinema, or John Williams would be regarded as the true master contemporary composer he is.
Lol I was 10 and 13 when the first 2 films came out
Editor going above and beyond at 15:40! Editing out the copywritten audio, putting in a royalty free backing track, and adding in "sparkling" sfx for the transformation! That's not the original audio in that sequence whatsoever, good stuff!
Noticed that, pretty great alternate choices fairly seemless. Also there was a post credits wasn't there involving the Dragon wasn't there?
I wish Nat had reacted to the bonus content for Shrek 2 also. Far Far Away Idol is hysterical
Puss in boots and Nat crying at the same time is the cutest thing ever lol
The ending of Shrek 2 is truly my favourite scene in any media ever.
The Latin Spanish dub is iconic in its’ own right. Even Antonio Banderas actually got to voice Puss in Spanish and not just for this film.
@5:05-@5:15 still one of my favorite parts of the movie. In the Latin Spanish dub, he was like “basta, Rogelio.”
Eugenio Derbez cracked me up as Donkey. In the dub, he was like “ya mérito?”
@15:22 I know it’s been 20 years, but Pete Yorn’s cover of Ever Fallen In Love is still my jam.
exactly, donkey singing, mesa, mesa que mas aplauda le mando le mando le mando una burra, it kills me every time😅
Aquí debe haber tacos de caviar y atole de champaña.
NENORRA A QUE HORA VAS POR EL PAN?!
B A S T A ROGELIO
YO QUIERO UN HÉROE!
My favorite part from the Latin Spanish dub is Shrek going "ES UN GATO MONTES!" (It's a wildcat!) at 12:22
this movie is outstanding especially in terms of a “kids movie”… the soundtrack, the voice acting, the plot, the story, the message it tells kids in terms of how personality & character is better than looks! i almost wanna call it a masterpiece 😅
The “I Need a Hero” sequence is my favorite part and for me it hits close to home for a very specific reason…
When this movie came out, my younger sister was still such a little thing so my mom, my sister and I watching this as family was nice; but to the point, the Mongo and Gingy scene is the specific part and I remember my sister saying that we’re just like Gingy and Mongo since I was the big one and she was the lil one and when Gingy jumps for Mongo my mom jokingly asked my sis “Would you jump like that for your big brother?” And she said “Yeah because I love my big bro just like Gingy loves Mongo”…
It was so cute and to this day, regarding my life, that will forever be my most precious memory
This movie is considered one of if not the GREATEST sequel ever made. The way it follows up on the themes of the 1st movie is why it's so beloved
That and the memes LMAO
You will LOVE the Puss in Boots spin offs, especially The Last Wish, its absolutely amazing!
I wonder if Natalie's ever watched The Zorro movies, because Bandaros was in those movies too and his portrayal of Puss in Boots is very reminiscent of that role.
Shrek 2 has the kind of humour I like in Shrek franchise and emotional and meaningful moments. I enjoyed when you laughed at Ariel fed to sharks and the dove scene. Shrek movies are my favourite of all to watch peoples reaction to as they are so fun!
Yes I LOVE this franchise! Grew up watching all 4 movies in theaters!
"I Need a Hero" has never been covered in such a fantastic and yet hysterical way.
Just the best animated sequence ever!
TRUE
The music sequences in Shrek/Shrek 2 are some of the best animated sequences ever. I immediately picture them whenever I hear the songs.
SHREK 2 IS A LEGENDARY FILM.
MORE HEAT LESS FOAM
The roar that Mongo makes when he's angry is the Godzilla roar, as he's meant to be like a kaiju (japanese giant monster). Originally, he was gonna be like this all throughout the scene but he came across an unsympathetic so he was made childish and dumb until he was provoked to anger.
The 'fabulous abs' reference is an in-joke - the Fairy Godmother is played by Jennifer Saunders, who starred in the UK TV show 'Absolutely Fabulous' (colloquially known as 'Ab Fab').
i grew up with the Shrek franchise and i'm surprised how well it holds up!
Dreamworks never disappoints.
Yep Dreamworks is one of the best entertainment studios
The police brutality scene felt a bit too real.
@@Nemisis007 FREE MY MANS! PUSS DID NOTHING WRONG! THEY GOT THE WRONG CAT!
@@Nemisis007 and hilarious
Just wanted to add that the latino dub of this movie is HILARIOUS since they actually adapt the jokes to the latinamerican audience, even some that didn't really need to be adapted were changed to be even funnier in my opinion.
My favorite change, which I do not know how they allowed to this day is:
"Shrek and I drank a magic potion and now we both look...sexy!"
*Looks at Puss* "...Shrek?"
"For you baby...I'd be Batman"
Shrek is definitely one of top fav franchises! Grew up watching all 4 films when they debuted in theaters!
Mongo is the best, his 3 lines are "Be Good", a Godzilla screech, and "Livin' La Vida Loca", what more could you want
You can skip the third Shrek in my opinion, but the fourth movie and the recent Puss in Boots movies are “GOLDEN” 🏆🍿 I implore you put ‘em on your watchlist 🙏
Oh shut up
the original puss in boots is good as well! doesn't live up to The Last Wish but is definitely a good watch (and introduces you to kitty before The Last Wish, when she and puss first meet)
Nat at the start: ''I wanna watch this one cos it's talked about so much on RUclips ..... I have to know why everyone loves it''
Then spends half hour laughing her head off, & saying things like 'I love them!', 'This is Awesome!' among other things!
THAT'S why Nat, that's why! 🤣🤣❤
You need to watch Short Circuit and Short Circuit 2, because 2 has the greatest 'I need a hero' sequence ever. It gives me goosebumps to this day
That Gymnopédie No. 1 moment though!
The 4th Shrek movie should be one on your watchlist it's an underrated gem
Being a 2000s kid the shrek movies was a huge part of my childhood 💯
I dont know if you noticed but when Shrek gets detained he gets "pepper sprayed" which is so funny to me
Shrek, How To Train Your Dragon, and Kung Fu Panda. The golden trio of Dreamworks animation
I just wanted to point out I was totally shocked and stoked to see you show up at the poppies last weekend. You and Cassie are my favorite reactors. That was sooo awesome!!
You missed a post credit scene where Dragon returns to Donkey with kids!
Came here looking for this comment
Absolute classic! such a amazing sequel, really elevating everything about the first film!
I remember when this came to DVD, i was like 12 or something, i lived with my grandma, rest her soul, she always bought me cinnamon bears and i remember devouring them and just singing the songs all yhe way through. Such a great movie.
P.s. same age as me, '93
I love when she does that chair turn!
Fantastic reaction! As other people have mentioned you should also watch Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, another amazing Shrek franchise sequel (in my opinion, the best). It would also be fun to see a ranking of all the animated movies you’ve watched!
I really enjoyed the reveal of who the king was. When I first say this movie honestly didn't expect him to be the Frog Prince.
This movie has what may be the greatest line in the history of cinema:
Shrek: Don't worry, gentlemen, someday I will repay you. Unless, of course, I can't find you or if I forget.
Shrek two is unironically one of the best films ever made. I feel like part of what makes it so great, is that you don't expect it to be. I remember seeing this in theaters and expecting pretty much nothing from it. Yet it delivered in a way I never thought would be possible for a sequal about Shrek.
i actually NEED to see nat react to Puss In Boots: The Last Wish now- I just know you'd love it!!! You don't even need to watch the other movies to understand it!! It has truly restored hope in the world of animation..
Watch the first movie too, it’s great
Nah gotta watch the first one too, shows Puss's origin
That was an incredible reaction, Natalie! And I'm so glad that you so adamantly reassured us from the start that you had not seen this movie. The MOMENT that any reactor tells me that they have seen the movie that they are reacting to, is the MOMENT that I stop watching their reaction. If it's not their genuine first time reaction, then I'm not interested in watching it. Again, I absolutely loved your reaction to this movie.
The whole ending scene is reason people love this movie so much. That cover of I need a hero is a masterpiece, not to mention all the awesome stuff going on during it.
In the later movies, there are hints that are dropped that it might actually have been that the Fairy God-Mother who cursed Fiona as a means to increase her power with her son marrying her.
I would enjoy it immensely if she reacts to Puss in Boots: The Last Wish.
And the first movie as well
Same, I love that film.
Yep, the internet is right about something for once. Best animated sequel ever. And Puss in Boots is one of the best animated characters Dreamworks has ever shart out. 😄
I don’t know anybody who doesn’t like this movie, that’s how much of a masterpiece it is
I’d put toy story 2 also as a contender for that :)
@@oscardawson2502i love toy story 2 but shrek 2 is better
First movie was about loving yourself. Second movie is about believing someone can love you.
i thought you’d be happy to know that my own big-eyed orange kitten came running when you were screaming about puss in boots and watched the rest of the reaction with me 😂
Shrek 2 is one of those phenomenon's where it seems almost universally, people recognize it as an amazing movie. I've talked to people all over the world who had seen it and they loved it, Shrek in general has such good storytelling and comedic moments. Considering it started as a punishment, people who didn't perform well on Prince of Egypt were "shreked", sent to work on what they thought was a failure, turned out to be a classic.
Now that you've shared in the glory of Shrek 2 all you gotta do is watch Shrek 3 and you'll share our pain
yeah
And then Shrek 4 which is a great finale
@@orbboom6119 I think I'm in the minority, but I hated Shrek 4 😭
Shrek 4 is probably my favorite of the 4. Mind you I love all of them, even 3. So take it as you will. 😅
I'll take Shrek 3 but not 4
I admire the ability of this film to make me cry every time I watch it, there are so many emotions
I love that the internet loves this movie. I love this movie. I vividly remember seeing it in a cinema in Ireland when I was visiting family as a kid.
But Terminator 2 exists. So it cannot be the best sequel ever made.
My favorite thing about you, Nat; The happier you are the squeakier you become. LOL It's adorable and gives me a great idea for merch. A little Nat-Doll that is also a squeak-toy. Tell me that doesn't fit.
I only now realized that Fiona’s parents were the princess and the frog when they were younger not the Disney one but their own version.
I remember when I first watched this movie. I was in 4th grade, and we were on vacation to Springfiled Illinois. My mom took my siblings and me to the movies to give my dad some time to rest without us being too loud. (We were 12-6 years old at the time.)
I remember loving this movie. I loved fairy tales as a kid, Puss in Boots was my favorite. I like how they put in a hint to his original story about slaying an ogre into this by making it his job. I like that King Harold is hinted to be the Frog Prince. The swans in Fairy Godmothers factory turning into swans, the little Easter eggs are so good.
So much fun! An amazing sequel imo
Since you’re loving Puss can’t wait to see you eventually get to his movies!
I rewatched this movie so many times when I was a kid. It's truly iconic.
Now you have to dive into the Puss in Boots movies, especially The Last Wish.
(BTW, I got the reference for the like button)
its honestly my favorite of the bunch!
I love when Natalie laugh and when she gets emotional. ❤
you might have missed the aftercredits scene. It is a scene of after the party
Dear Nat,
I have been watching various reaction videos for over 5 years, and I've seen many many different channels doing such things, and I just wanted to let you know that your channel has consistently been among my three favourites for over a year. I'm mostly here for your Marvel reactions (and I've actually rewatched some of your Marvel reactions, even though I almost never rewatch reactions), but I've also greatly enjoyed the non-Marvel stuff that I've seen. Keep it up.
Signed, a fan.
This is one of those movies that I rewatched constantly as a kid. It's probably the most used DVD in my collection.
"SHREK 2" and "PUSS IN BOOTS: THE LAST WISH" are honestly on the same level in terms of quality. They are two of the most groundbreaking animated movies and perfect sequels ever made, Shrek 2 is one of my favorite comedies ever, and Puss in Boots 2 was tied with EEAAO as my favorite film of 2022. I genuinely can't wait for Nat to watch Puss in Boots 2!
Her intro of the chair turning around is just the best.
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish must be watched. It is currently my animated movie of the year and you honestly don't have to watch the first one to watch it. I figured you would eventually get to it since you are working on the Shrek movies.
Good god I must have watched these movies more than 20 times, I had the DVDs so I remember the entire soundtrack of the credits as well. Great music and great films. Warms my heart.
The police chase was my favorite scene in animation. Friggin hilarious
The Shrek movies may not tug on the heartstrings like the "How to Train Your Dragon" or "Kung-Fu Panda" trilogies but they're still goofy fun.
Please give STAR TREK a chance. 🖖
The DVD extra from this movie that was most used in my house was karaoke with each of the characters singing a different song.
The music for all the Shreks is phenomenal
Shrek 2 it was my very first movie ever from the franchise on VHS, I've only seen few times the first one at tv.
Fun reaction Nat! This is indeed one of the best sequels ever made.
I really want Nat to watch the new Puss in boots. its soo good
The Last Wish made me cry harder than I expected I would to a Puss movie
The 4th is my absolute favorite ♡ hope you'll be doing the others :) great reaction as usual!
Packed to the gills with so many jokes, in your face and hidden. The characters and vocal performances are incredible, not to mention the insanely great soundtrack!
And the nice part is not all the jokes are kid level.