THE BIRTH OF JIGSAW! First Time Watching *Saw 4 (2007)* Movie Reaction
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SAW 4 (2007) Reaction: 00:41
SAW 4 (2007) Review and Thoughts: 39:34
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"Are you there Detective? If so, you are probably the last man standing. Now perhaps you will succeed, where the others have failed"
The message to hoffmann hits hard and takes on a completely different context after watching the ending and realizing that he has been the secret accomplice all along!
i always liked the phrase "others". as far as we are aware at this point only amanda was his other apprentice. but others already sets up that there are potentially more out there.
The prostitute that visits John at his car is Addison - The girl from Saw 2 who gets her arms stuck in the razor box
This just blew my MIND!!! 🤯🤯🤯 these movies are a freaking masterclass in weaving stories together! Thanks for dropping that knowledge bomb for me and the Dork Side fam!
Mark Hoffman is actually named after producer Greg Hoffman. He helped get the original Saw film made but he died unexpectedly shortly after the premiere of Saw 2. He’s credited posthumously as a producer for all the Saw films.
I love that!! Thanks for keeping Greg’s life alive by sharing that knowledge! It would be an honor to be immortalized in a franchise you helped make
"I promise that my work will continue."
Fun Fact: The Tobin Bell body cast used in the autopsy scene took two weeks to be constructed.
Huge Appearances Fact: Saw III (2006) was Costas Mandylor's and Betsy Russell's first appearance in the series. Although they both have minor roles in that movie, they would become main characters in four of the films that followed.
Practical Over CGI Fact: The seamless transitions between separate scenes in the film were not created using digital effects, but were done practically. For these transitions, the sets were built in such a way that two separate scenes could be filmed in one shot without interruption.
Also two people from saw 2 had little cameos in this one. Gus the one that punched out that guy in the clinic was the one that got killed by the door peephole gun combo. The prostitute that tried to solicit John was the girl that got her hands caught in that blade trap.
My main man Gator! Good to see you my friend. I promise to watch something other than horror eventually…
I was wondering about that body cast so I’m happy they put so much effort into it. These movies have some great practical effects but that autopsy scene was crazy realistic!
And the scene transitions being done without digital effects is incredible!! I can’t believe the planning that had to be done to make that happen. I’d love to see the behind the scenes of that
I've more or less made peace with your horror kick. I'm patient.
Go with God and Be Safe from Evil. 😎 👍
Fun Fact: In the flashback clinic scenes there are a numerous amount of cameos from characters who were in previous Saw films, kind of implying that John got a lot of his victims from there. Those characters include: Troy (Saw 3 chains trap), Gus who punches Cecil (Saw 2 eyehole gun trap), Michael (Saw 2 opening venus flytrap), Addison who talks to John in his car (Saw 2 razor box trap), the guy who Amanda cuts open in Saw 1, and Paul (Saw 1 razor wire maze).
Damn I only saw gus and Addison
@@awesomeaidan4215 Paul and the guy from Amanda's trap can be seen walking out of the clinic when John is outside in the car, Michael and Troy are harder to spot, especially Michael which is a blink and you miss it shot.
@@ParallaxDG that's really cool. Thank you
And that's why i love these movies. The attention to detail is unmatched
@@sophiecooper1824 fr. Even the most minor character (hoffman) can become very important later.
Saw 2 took place 6 months ago and Saw 3 and 4 were happening simultaneously, but in Saw 3 we only saw Lynn's perspective and Jeff's perspective. The beginning of Saw 4 in the autopsy room is actually what happened after all the events and that's why Hoffman is surprised.
The stories being simultaneously going at the same time just makes Saw 3 that much better! When I heard Amanda turning on Jigsaw, it blew my mind. This franchise is so good at weaving those plots together
The tape at the beginning really takes on a whole new context once you finish this film. So glad you're still loving this franchise, Cole. Your reactions are always a highlight to my day.
I’m happy I can be of service my friend 🙏 and watching the beginning after knowing the reveal is just icing on the cake! Another fun edition to the Saw franchise for sure! I’m always here if you’re ever having a bad day ❤️
“You knocked over lil Billy man.”
😂😂 You are so funny without even trying. You’re hands down one of my fav best reactor for this series. SAW is almost like a horror soap opera to me, but a brutal one if that makes any sense. The storylines becomes more elaborated and stretched, but yet easy to follow. This was my fav one as far as setting goes with Rigg’s storyline compared to the others.
Can’t be disrespecting lil Billy like that 😂
I appreciate your love and positivity as always ❤️ I know there’s a lot of reactors watching Saw right now so it means the world that you consider me the best! That made my day 🙏
And I can for sure see this being a horror soap opera with it all centered around John and his wild ass life. Once the reveals happen at the end, it’s always gives you they dopamine hit that you just can’t replicate.
Riggs had such an interesting journey when compared to the rest of the “test subjects.” I really hope he didn’t die right there because I’d love to know how his story followed up.
Thanks for watching along with me and being such a positive light in the Dork Side fam! It’s always a pleasure reading your comments 😌
That’s what it is, a dopamine feeling and you know how to express that! You actually don’t turn away from the hard scenes to stomach and that puts you at the top! Can’t wait for you to find out in the next one! ❤ As always, my pleasure to be a supporter here! 😊
**RIP I forgot to edit in the patreon shout-out… sorry yall** Jigsaw is still the GOAT even after Death!! Thanks for watching the Saw marathon with me AND special shout out to y’all for 5,000 subs on the channel!! We will celebrate on Monday with a livestream 🙏 much love- Cole
Keep up the great work man. The quality of your content is as good as other channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. I know the numbers will continue to grow for you. Ps, your content is very enjoyable 😊
@@AsielFlores maaaan that means more to me than you know! I am trying my best to make great content for y’all and I’m just happy you’re having a good time watching along with me! This has been a dream come true so thanks for sharing the love and taking the time to write that my friend 🙏 you’re goated for life in my book
Sigh of relief! I'm so glad you liked this movie! I wanted to tell you soooo bad that we wouldn't see the last of John Kramer after Saw 3. Saw 5 is pretty divisive amongst the fans. I enjoyed it, i hope you enjoy it too!
We can call every sequel after 2 a divisive one hahaha.
I was so happy about Jigsaw’s involvement in this movie. I would have been so upset with myself if I stopped after Saw 3! I appreciate you and the Dork Side fam not spoiling anything though ❤️🙏
And I have now watched Saw 5! Still a great edition to the marathon and I had a lot of fun with it. The jigsaw flashbacks are enough to make any of these movies worth it 🧩🪚
Thanks for watching along with me as always ❤️
Fun fact: originally in the old Saw 4 Eric Matthews was to be in Rigg’s place. He was meant to be dropped off at the hospital after Saw 3. And his ex-wife would have been on the ice block trap. But Donnie passed on it, so the swapped it with Rigg saving his girlfriend than at the last minute Donnie changed his mind and this is the version we got. Which I’m fine with. I love that minor characters become major ones in the next movie. Makes Jigsaw’s world feel more real (if you know what I mean lol) can’t wait for Saw V! My favorite horror franchise since I was 10 when the original released
"Yeah I kinda like Detective Hoffman"
Dude he's a real lady killer xD
Bro, you were playing the flute at 26:55 😂😂😂
Incredible 😂😂😂 now I can never I see that
Hey Cole, love ya! This one is so emotional. I feel so bad for Jigsaw/Jill. "You think it's over just because I'm dead" I love that line so much
I love you right back Amber!! Thanks for hanging with me as always ❤️
And seriously, John and Jill’s tragic backstory just shows John had reached a breaking point after trying to… un-alive himself lol. I could see that making anyone go crazy. John hitting them with that cold line just shows that even after death, he was an idea that couldn’t be destroyed!
I’m having a horrible day but this upload made it better. Thank you lol
I’m sorry you had a horrible day! I’m happy I could help make it better though! If I did anything good through being an idiot while watching movies, I did something good in my life ❤️ and I hope tomorrow is a better day!
Also... the point of Rigg's test is to not really save anybody. He needed to see them saving themselves without aid. For the first test, he was supposed to leave Brenda to her fate and do nothing. The catch for this one is that if Rigg does end up saving Brenda, then that's when her test begins. All of the photos you saw was of her pimping out young girls. Jigsaw told her that should she let him save her, she'd have to go to prison due her crimes but if she kills him, she'd be "free" for the lack of a better word.
The second test is more or less, making Ivan, a rapist, try to save himself from his sins. Either lose your eyes or lose your limbs.
The third test is to determine if Morgan had learned her lesson in not only standing up for herself but also learning to save her child as well due to kind of being a coward.
Again, her husband Rex was abusive towards his family. Dude even broke bones while doing it to her countless times. In her case, in order to survive, she has to pull the spikes out but by doing so, she ends up killing her husband because the spikes are in his vital spots. However, if she did nothing, she would slowly bleed to death.
The last test was Rigg to simply just do nothing and let Eric, Hoffman and Art figure out how to survive and save themselves.
All Rigg had to do was do nothing but he end up failing the lesson.
I do feel like the reason that Rigg's being tested for is kinda BS.
He's not supposed to save people, because he can't save everybody? AIN'T THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYNA DO, JIGSAW??? (He's the one that's trying to save them by giving them a choice to either save themselves or die.)
Very hyprocritical of him.
@@THEREALSCRAPPY There is a right way an a wrong way to go about it tho the last test proves it. Because if you actually pay attention what happend when he rushed through. A unsecured door last time people got killed so rushing to save someone's life got people kill. In this case all he had to do was wait until the timer ran out then the trap would of never went off. But he didn't learn from last time he rushed through a unsecured door an got people killed. He rushed through the door when he had time but because he rushed through it like the last time. He got the person killed because he engaged the trapped like he did last time. Some who wants to save lives would of learned from the first time to take their time an think think things through. Not just rush in without thinking because if you just rush in without thinking. You do more harm than good that was the point of his test. Think before you act because you actually save more life's if you think before you act. Because if you just rush in without thinking you set things off an make things worse. In this case setting of traps that never would of been activated. Because he set off the first trap by removing the pig mask. If he laft it alone the trap never would off been activated. Then the last trap if he just waited for the time to run out. Then the door could of been opened without the trap going of. Like the last time he went through a unsecured door if he would of waited. For the door to be checked an secured no traps would of went off an no one would of died. So him rushing through things without thinking actually was getting people killed instead of saving people.
Now John Kramer or Jigsaw never rushed through anything. He took his time an thought every single thing through. Before he took any kind of action unlike Riggs.
Man, I finally saw Saw X (sometimes I really hate the English language)... wow! But don't worry, NO Spoilers Below:
Something I really enjoyed was that it seemed like they were trying to make a legitimate movie... but with blood and gore. Also, Tobin Bell was trying to win an Oscar - and he certainly deserves it, to be honest. His performance was... stellar, award worthy. The performance of a lifetime. That man deserves to be a huge star, and respect as a serious actor. Now, there are some things in a Saw movie that are just staples of the franchise but were lacking here. However, I did NOT notice any of them until after I got home, so it wasn't really a big a deal because it was such a great film. Also, there was a mid-credit scene.
soooo glad you liked this one!! hoffman's a character that i really enjoy and you'll be seeing a lot more of him along with more john & amanda backstory to come! i actually love the dynamics of the apprentices & jigsaw and i would killllll to get more scenes of mark and amanda working together on something. we now know that mark wrote the letter that amanda ended up reading in saw 3, though !!
Hoffman’s turn was so interesting and I love how cold he was when compared to Amanda! Jigsaw mentions her emotions are her greatest flaw but it seems like Hoffman doesn’t have that issue lol!
The jigsaw fam has to be a unit! I just finished watching Saw 5 and WOW! Hoffman really is the true successor to Jigsaw. What a legend
I am commenting as I watch. I really like this movie because it explains SO much about what happens to people and about what started it all. I felt like I was connecting the dots the whole time and I love that feeling in a franchise. it's so rare, horror or not. I loved that this (The Rigg part) was happening at the exact same time as Saw 3. Jeff was so dumb the entire time that it hurt, grief or not. I love how everyone's clues are there the whole time and almost everyone still fails. The movies going forward are still compelling. I look forward to seeing you get hyped at all the twists and turns. Good reaction!
11/10 reaction Cole. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I’m so happy you’re enjoying the Saw movies and it’s a nice little refresh for me as well! I had forgotten how good these movies are. 😅
Also, I absolutely love how you look like a proud dad every time John does or says anything. 😂
You smile and it makes me smile! He is the GOAT for sure. 🙌🏻
Thanks for making my day Emi ❤️
I’m happy I can bring the love of Saw back into your life! I’m sure with 10 movies to keep up with over the years, it can be hard to revisit. The reactions make it a little easier and a little more entertaining 😉
I just freakin’ love John and I was so sad when he died in Saw 3. So seeing him in action (and not sick) in this movie just brought a lot of happiness to my soul! I didn’t even notice how happy it made me until you pointed it out so thanks for that 🙏 on to Saw 5!!
Rigg and Jeff are facing the same test with a different path. Hence why both test is happening at the same time, even end with Rigg final test happen at the same place with Jeff, just different hallway
Jigsaw testing Rigg and Jeff to let go of their obsession. Jeff obsession of getting revenge on his son death; and Rigg obsession of trying to save everyone. To the point where he is endangering himself and everyone else around him, by blindly busting through everything. His marriage also look like it’s suffering and go down the path of Jeff and Lind as well
I love how hyped and into this series you are, it's a fun run down memory lane. Can't wait for the next installation!
Oh I have loved these movies so far!! I’m happy you’re willing to watch them again with me as I try to figure all this out! Looking back on Saw 1 and now Saw 4, so much has happened! And I’m not even half way through this franchise yet… on to Saw 5!! ❤️🧩🪚
HECK YEAH, IM SO EXCITED TO WATCH THISSSSS
I hope it was a fun watch my friend!! I loved this one a lot more than I thought I would so ok very exited for Saw 5!
"You think its over just because I am dead? It's not over, the games have just begun" - goes so hard 😭 one of my all time favs in the franchise, the twist is the best 🙌🏻 also love your love for Rigg, I wanted him to win his test so bad 😆 Bring on SAW V 🫡
Jigsaw would teach the masterclass in cold ass like delivery if he wasn’t dead 😂 and Rigg was such a good protagonist to follow through the game. I feel like the decisions he was making were very believable and I loved how he was conflicted but still followed through. I really hope he didn’t die right there in the end…
On to Saw 5!! Thanks for the great comment and watching along with me as always Kimmy ❤️ I loved this movie so much more than I thought I would
It helps to know that saw three and saw IV we’re taking place at the same time
That blew my mind so good! As soon as I heard Amanda betraying Jigsaw, I was shook
Jigsaw is very literal "Succeed where the others have failed" He predicted Amanda would turn on him eventually. Love this franchise.
I’m so happy I found your channel recently! freaking ADORE YOU 🖤
Ayeee that just made my day Lauren!! ❤️❤️❤️
I’m happy you found the channel and welcome to the Dork Side fam!! I promise to always try my best to bring some happiness to your day! You can always find me in the comments so don’t be a stranger 🙏🧩🪚 on to Saw 5!!
I was also #teamRigg. He was my third favorite, so after Adam in the first one and Detective Kerry in the third, I was glad to have a returning character that I’m familiar with take over the lead. Needless to say, after this movie, I just decided to stop having favorites because they all end up dying.
When I was little, this movie was so confusing to me because I couldn’t tell Detective Hoffman and Detective Strahm apart. 😂
My grandma and I finished our Sawathon and saw the new one in theaters the other day. We enjoyed it. I’ll go more into detail when you get to that one.
Can’t wait for the next upload! Glad you’re continuing the series.
You watch SAW with your grandmother?
That's so epic!
I wish I could marathon these movies as fast as you did!! It takes me so freakin long to watch these and bust the reaction out 😫
I am happy you loved Saw X! I can’t wait to finally watch that movie when it goes to VOD. Just seeing Jigsaw be alive and kicking ass in the “present” will be so fun to see. We’ll have a whole discussion on it soon for sure 🙏
Thanks for watching along with me as always my friend! It’s always a pleasure reading your comments 😌
The twists and turns in these movies are CRAZY. Always a joy to watch your reactions, they bring a smile to my face! :-) keep up the amazing work!
I’m always happy to bring happiness to the Dork Side family! Thanks for watching along with me Lindsay ❤️🙏 it’s a pleasure to have you here
Keep going. It's a long ride, but the new one (Saw X) is the best they've done since the original. It takes places between Saw I and II. They keep thickening the plotline.
I have heard nothing but incredible things about Saw X and it makes me want to marathon these movies even faster!! As soon as Saw X hits VOD, I’m gonna watch it for the channel because I’m too hype 😂 thanks for watching along to the Saw marathon with me my friend 🙏🧩🪚
Loved the reaction as always! I enjoy the Jigsaw backstory in this one. The Hoffman twist totally surprised me on my first watch! Can’t wait till Saw V… have a great week!😊❤️
The jigsaw backstory is so dang good!! I just finished Saw V and it really adds another layer with Hoffman and Jigsaw that is so fun to watch. It should be out soon!
Great seeing you as always Kathy! I hope you have a great week to ❤️🙏
I really hope you watch all of them. I really like your reactions! This is my least favorite, the only reason I like it is for Kramer because I love him. But watching your reactions got me more into it!
I’m for sure going to watch through 7 for now and I’ll eventually watch 8 and 9 as well! It just depends on when Saw X goes to VOD.
Thanks for the love!! I’m happy I can make your least favorite more enjoyable! The John backstory made this movie for me so it’ll always have a special place in my heart. I’m happy you watched along with me and I look forward to talking with you more throughout the rest of the Saw marathon ❤️🧩🪚
If Jeff and Riggs swapped tests, everyone would have lived LOL
That’s hilarious 😂😂😂
"The Saw Olympics" 🤣
I recently found your channel and I'm really enjoying these reactions.
Ayeeee welcome to the Dork Side family!! The Saw marathon has been a blast so far so I’m happy you’re joining along in the journey! Saw 5 should be out in a few days 🙏🧩🪚
Awesome reaction as always! This series is definitely great the timeline is so unique and the twists are spectacular.
At 40:30 though the point of Rigg’s lesson is that he has to learn to let some people save themselves. That’s a big motivation of John to become Jigsaw in the first place after Cecil causes Jill’s miscarriage. He tells her that she can’t help the people at her clinic they need to save themselves.
Ayeeee thanks for the love! And I appreciate the clarification for Riggs test, that makes a lot of sense! His game has been one of my favorites so far because he actively chooses who lives or dies but isn’t in any real danger (except the hair trap lady lol)
Once that music starts, you know it’s about to go down! Another great reaction! And don’t worry you’ll see more of Hoffman’s story. I love that we get to see John become Jigsaw and the events that lead to that. Look forward to the next reaction!! Keep up the great work my friend
i’m glad after all these years so many people are still noticing the goofy ass (and brilliant?) transitions in this movie lol
Watching your reactions to this series is so wholesome. I love the saw franchise, and your reactions have made me smile more times than I can count the last few days. Subscribed so fast to your channel 🥰
"Is Billy rigged to EXPLODE!"
That was perfect timing lmao
I’m surprised they were willing to blow my guy up! Billy is lowkey one of my favorite characters in this franchise and he doesn’t even have any lines 😂😂😂
You never miss Cole, great video! Can’t wait for the next one!!
My main man Darren!! I’m glad you enjoyed this one man, I had a lot of fun with it! I’m gonna try and get Saw 5 out as fast as possible! I appreciate you forever, pimp 🙏
Yeeey
Already can't wait for the Saw V
Not sure if you caught it, the girl that walked up to John while he was in his car was in Saw 2
Bruhhhhh wait for it wait til saw 5
Saw 3: People die because Jeff is too slow.
Saw 4: People die because Rigg is too fast.
If they had been given each other's game then literally everybody would have lived.
My favorite part is Jigsaw just side stepping away from Cecil he is a real one for that.
That was wild as hell. Didn’t even break a sweat when that happened either. Dude could be the hardest man that ever lived
Hey Cole! I really dig these vids, your hype is real, and your train of thinking, right on track. Saw 4 gets a bad rep, being put close to last in most people's Saw movie tier lists, but I dont think it deserves the hate it gets. Saw 4 gets flack for not being a true direct sequel like 2 and 3, because (as you guessed), it does indeed take place alongside 3 in the timeline, and its kind of a confusing one, with all the flashbacks and explanation and introduction to a handful of characters (most of which are important to the overall timeline). The traps in this one to me seem a bit more...cruel, and carnal. The twist at the end imo was quite solid; and in Jon's last tape to Rigg, he does only mention "you failed to save the life of Eric Matthews", doesnt mention Hoffman, though...you have to be real quick to pick up on that right away. Oh, dont worry, we'll be seeing more of mr Hoffman, and getting more life lessons, coming up in my personal favorite Saw film, Saw 5.
Without giving anything away, the psychological aspect of this one, is why its my favorite, and I hope you continue to enjoy the series, as we slowly but surely reach the more...generally not-so liked films in the franchise. Keep up the great work, Cole!~
Isn’t it just heartbreaking when Eric finally meets his demise?! 😢 LOVED ur reaction! Love ur enthusiasm for the franchise and the Team Jigsaw love! ❤ This is such a good one! And I love being able to rewatch ‘from afar’ through you so I don’t get as much gore hahahaha! 😄
Eric getting killed by Riggs actions is lowkey heart breaking but incredible at the same time!! Such a fun game for this one and I loved how Riggs was willing to play along because he thought it would save his friend.
And of course we are team Jigsaw out here baby!! I’ll always wonder what this franchise would’ve been like if Jigsaw never died. But I enjoy the layers of flashbacks we get all throughout. Thanks for the great comment and watching along with me again! Your comments are always a great read ❤️🙏
@@TheDorkSideTV oh wow thank you! Yes heartbreaking but incredible at the same time! I Saw u Saw Saw v and I'm still catching up ..I love v! Another heartbreaking yet incredible death! ☠️
I guess Cecil’s trap is where John realized he made things too easy eh?
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Iove this movie, i love the backstory they give John and Jill is great additional character. Also Hoffmann working for John was crazy . He literally had a police officer on his side . The main game was pretty cool but i love this movie mostly for the John Kramer stuff
100% agreed, the John backstory was everything to me! I loved seeing his backstory and what drove him to become Jigasw.
Hoffman being team Jigsaw was wild to see and now I have to assume anyone can be a double agent going forward 😂
Thanks for being first and watching so quickly! That made my day 🙏 on to Saw 5!!
@@TheDorkSideTV You are my favorite Reaction channel for Saw now. Your journey through this franchise is so amazing. Yes onto Saw 5 🪚🧩
i love your reactions to the saw saga man, greetings from Argentina!
I get so excited seeing these notifications on my phone 😊🎉
Good video, looking forward to your reaction to saw 6
Somehow you make me laugh while watching these movies 😂😂 Can’t wait to see your reaction to Saw V!
I’m glad I can get a few laughs out of you with an otherwise TRAUMATIZING franchise 😂😂 it’s been so much fun so thanks for watching along with me ❤️ Saw V will be out in a few days (maybe tomorrow??)
I think I read somewhere that when Ceicil died in the razor wire that inspired him from the razor wire trap from the 1st movie
riggs test was somewhat laid out like " he likes saving people too much and opens doors too early so he must be tested" but in actuality it was really like a recruitment process and the test for riggs was a test to see if he could properly adopt the philosophy and in order to do that he must learn that "people need to help themselves" aka the traps are good do not try to save people
Saw IV
Gus: You out are your fucking mind?
Officer Rigg didn't deserve to be tested. He was a good cop. He just didn't spend enough time with this wife. I really enjoyed the Hoffman twist, tho. I'm about to watch your Saw5 video.
Because im going to mexico and in fact on the bus as im typing i dont get notifications since i crossed the border but i still found this reaction and loved it also the opening of them opening john open is just so satisfying to me
You can't save everyone. People must learn to fend for themselves: this was John's message to Jill in the hospital and that was the moral of this test.....
I love saw 5 and it’s theme behind the traps
The thing about Saw IV is the Jigsaw backstory mixed in can be confusing it could been a prequel movie on its own. The current event's of Saw IV happening alongside Saw III up to the autopsy was cleverly written and I like the twist that Hoffman was the other lackey helping Jigsaw. I know Eric suffered for six months but Rigg who had just been physically shot had to be mentally hurting that he inadvertently killed his detective buddy and that his longtime colleague Hoffman betrayed them in the worst way. And I don't know why Rigg just wasn't able to understand those simple clues in the Gideon Meat Plant. Time is on your side...remember who you are saving. Even Art Blank was pissed about why he even opened that door and was one second to freedom smh
Collee!!!!🎉🎉😂😂 nicee reactioonn!!! Honestly saw 4 is my least movie out of the franchise i rarley visit 😂🎉❤
this has been on my top of Saw movies and it still is. I get some folks don't like it, but I particularly like it for plenty of reasons. Only thing I dislike is maybe that the ending rushes a bit and that's why some people are left confused as to what happened.
I love this movie! It may not be my favorite of the bunch so far but I think it did great with what it had (after jigsaw and Amanda died). Rigg’s journey was incredible to see and I loved seeing Eric Matthews still being tested after all that time. It tied up a lot of loose ends from 3.
-Every Saw film has two plots running side-by-side: the person or people trying to get through the traps (the A-plot, which is what most people watch the series for) and the efforts of the police to catch Jigsaw before his victims all die (the B-plot). Daniel Rigg was actually a fantastic protagonist to follow through the A-plot, a shame that this entry in the franchise exudes large amounts of "made-for-TV" energy as far as the cinematography was concerned.
-As satisfying as it is to watch John take revenge on the man who took away his child, it also falsifies his claim that he "never killed anybody". C'mon, he wanted Cecil to die no matter what, so why is his vengeance valid but Jeff Denlon's isn't? John will also inflict some very personal, very UNFAIR, vengeance on another character in a later entry.
I've never heard of you or your channel, I've also never looked up anything related to saw on my phone.... However I have been watching the movies lately and I just watched saw IV yesterday.... So I'm convinced my phone is listening
Well either way, I’m happy you found the channel and watched along with me! The RUclips overlords have blessed me today 😂 we’re on a good Saw marathon so feel free to stick around and hang with me and the Dork Side fam!
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After I finish watching them, I'll definitely come back and look at your reviews :+)
Some see Riggs being tested as unfair but if you actually payed attention to the movies. It was fair because he was in a way actually getting people killed because he was. Rushing in to things without thinking first. Case in point the earlier Saw movie he was told to wait until the door was secure. He didn't he told his team to go in before it was secured then as a result he got people killed. How was that saving people it was getting people killed it was not saving anyone. Then let's just look at some of his games in this movie. The first one if he did nothing the first trap never would of been activated. Because it was only activated when he removed the pig mask. Then the one in the hotel if he didn't go to the hotel that trap never would of happened. But he did go there an seen what he seen an he put the guy in the trap. Then the last trap if he did nothing an the timer ran out. The trap never would of gone off killing the person he was trying to save. But he rushed through the unsecured door like in the other movie an as a result. Another trap was set off killing someone so you see it all makes perfect sense.
Because he was trying to save people but there is a right way an a wrong way to go about it. Riggs did it the wrong way he never stopped to think about what was going on around him. He rushed in blindly an as a result was setting of traps or getting people put in traps. Like I explained above that is not saving people that only gets people killed. The right was to save lives is to take your time and think things through before taking any kind of action. Because if Riggs did that not of those traps would of ever been activated. So that means everyone in those traps would of lived. So by Riggs rushing to save lives he actually did the opposite he got people killed.
So Riggs test was justified because in rushing to save lives he got people killed instead. That was the lesion John Kramer or Jigsaw was trying to teach him. Because those people whore safer trying to save themselves because alone they never would of set off those traps. But Riggs trying to save lives ended up setting off all of those traps.
But then I am used to paying attention to people an their actions. Because it leads to actual consequences later on. Because for example I grew up watching Clive Barkers original Hellraiser from 1987. Where it was about the human characters an their actions the entire length of the movie. The people did something then something happened as a result of those actions. Same here Riggs had a obsession to save people that lead him to. Not slowing down an thinking things through first so as a result he keep setting off traps an killing people. That an lead to people being put in traps an then dying as this movie clearly shows. Because if he just walked away the person in his apartment would of lived. The guy at the hotel would of lived Detective Matthew's would of lived. Because Riggs is solely responsible for those traps going off. If he would of laft with his girlfriend those traps never would of gone off. That or if he laft Jigsaws game alone the people would of lived.
The ending is WILD
I forgot to say this last video but I cried a lil in Saw 3 when Kramer died. He is my favorite character.. Tobin Bell did amazing as him. Amazing actor in general
The answer to your question is yes. The tape found in John's stomach was the same tape he shallowed while he was talking to Lynn in the last movie. I remembered being so shocked by the ending and felt such goosebumps. Number one, I never expected that this was going on at the same time until I heard Amanda spoke saying the same lines from 3.
As I saw more of what was happening, it started to sink in that 4 was taking place RIGHT at the same time as 3 was happening! That whole time we were led to believe that it was AFTER, not DURING! That never came across my mind at all. And the fact that Hoffman was in all of it too was wild. But that would somewhat explained why he was picking up some of the chains from Troy's trap earlier. That was insane. The other part I liked was the beginning of the relationship between John and Jill with it all going to shit due to the actions of an addict. The lost of their child was heartbreaking and tragic. In some ways, John not only turned into Jigsaw, but was almost a mirror version of Jeff. Oh and my favorite trap in this movie was the spike trap for Morgan and her husband Rex in the classroom. Its simple but effective. Also... Rex was a piece of shit who beat Morgan and their daughter. He kind of deserved his fate. It was also funny seeing Rigg beat the shit out of him too lol.
I seriously get goosebumps hearing that stomach tape
I need a SAW 5 ASAP
Working on it as we speak! Earliest I can get it out is tomorrow but for sure by Friday 🙏
Awesome reaction! I love your video's. This is one of my favorite saw movies! I dont get the dislike for this film. Btw the hooker was Adison from saw 2 and the guy who fought cecil was gus also from saw 2
It's one of mine too! I know it doesn't get praise from lots of fans but I live for the twist in this one 🙌🏻
@kimmy9310 it's my third favorite saw film. Below 1 and 2 of course (all tho I haven't seen saw x yet and I heard it's good)
@awesomeaidan4215 that was my list too hahah! until I saw SAW x - which pushed IV into 4th! You've got to see it, it's amazing 🙌🏻
@@kimmy9310 I will of course see it
Yeah I really enjoyed this movie and getting more back story from Jigsaw was just icing on the cake!
And now that I realize Adison was who spoke to jigsaw… I now realize this could be the best interwoven story franchise of all time!! It all connects!!
Thanks for the love and for watching along with me as always 🙏 this has been one of my favorite horror marathons for the channel so far
You are gonna love Saw X, keen for you to catch up.
I’m so freaking excited to watch Saw X!! As soon as it hits VOD im going to watch it for sure. Gotta see the Goat in action again
it's a dummy they used for John the actor that plays Hoffman thought it was really Tobin/ guy that plays John Kramer
This was the first one I saw in theaters so naturally, I'm a little biased when I say I love this one lol! I'm glad you liked this one too! Saw V is honestly my favorite of the series.
The whole point of Riggs games was to get him see he's not "saving" by trying to stop Jigsaw games, the games are what save them......that just jigsaws mentality. And Rigg actually didn't even have to participate at all, it was his "obsession" to save Eric that led him to. The scalping trap started because Rigg pulled the pin out with the hood, he drove himself to the motel and school and Gideon building. He could've just stopped and went to be with his girlfriend, like the note in the motel room said.
There's actually an alternate ending to the film that they made, and in it Rigg learned his lesson and waited outside of the room with Eric Matthews in it, letting the clock end. Rigg still would've died, being shot by agent straum instead. Also, there was an unused trap in this movie. The glass box you briefly see was going to be used instead of the bedroom trap. The drunk guy arguing with Ivan was going to be forced inside and he would've had to find a key inside, but it was removed due to the censors considering it too violent.
Can't wait for you to watch Saw V!
Bro laughs at the most serious things lol
😂 it is a gift and a curse 😈 I just love watching movies
while billy's story was a little lackluster i do like that he keeps getting himself in more and more trouble by rushing through doors. Hoffman was fun if a bit more of a clitched villain. i had heard that they had different plans for the character but the actor wasn't easy to work with.
I think the scariest trap in saw 4 is Ivan bed.
I hope you continue to love the series! It makes some questionable moves, but also sticks some of the landings super hard. Having seen all of them has changed my opinion on the whole. I'd say each individual film is worth watching once you're into it for sure. I've grown to appreciate all of 'em.
Honestly, in retrospect I dislike the third movie the most. I think it's one of the best ones, but Jeff sucks. On top of Jeff being slow and awful at the games, it has the one trap that really makes me squirm no matter how many times I see it. Y'all know the one...
I have really enjoyed all the movies so far and I have a feeling I’ll find something to like about all the movies. They are just too fun!
And yeah the rack trap in 3 is wild… Jigsaw must’ve really been feeling a type of way when he made that one lol
Anybody notice that riggs and jeff was the opposite games. Jeff needed to react faster and save the people he was post to forgive in jigsaws so to speak and riggs was post to let the game play out and not help
Hoffman’s backstory is explained in Saw V :)
Riggs test is related to Jill, you can't recklessly save everyone, some times the best way to help someone is to let go and let them save themselves, Riggs obsession was preventing him from living his life but yes it's silly to test a police officer for just wanting to save people 😆
Saw IV is the last one of the franchise I thought was great until I saw Jigsaw and Saw X. Saw V to VII go downhill from there. Spiral is good but I don't regard that as Saw.
Fun little fact, the hooker who tried to pick up John in that flashback is the girl from the house poison trap in Saw 2. I really wish they used Eric Matthews more because he was kept alive for months. Man, wasted potential :( but what an epic ending this was and that music and big reveal. Saw V you WILL learn more about Mark Hoffman :D . Riggs I did like, but I wish he was smarter. Jeff was too blinded by vengeance to think lol. Saw V DOES have another epic ending that I think you'll like.
16:00 the guy that punches the raving lunatic, that's the moron who put his eye up to the peephole and got his brains blown out by the revolver on the other side of the door in Saw II.
NO SPOILERS I PROMISE
You can now understand Saw X, which just released. You just need to watch the first 4 Saw Movies to understand Saw X.
I can't say it now because you haven't seen SAW5 yet but there is more to Cecil's story that makes me feel bad for the man.
This movie is just fine tbh I can watch it but they did detective Mathew’s so dirty like he was held prisoner for 6 months crazy. Jigsaw somehow managing 2 games at the same time was crazy like it’s so convoluted yet we don’t question it cause it’s jigsaw the man with future sight💀. Now we enter Hoffman’s era and I have plenty of thoughts on his character that’s fs💀
Rigg=Riggs confirmed 🤣
Great Saw review as always bud. Rigg was totally unfairly tested in this movie. Luckily we got to see most of John's backstory. In my opinion, Saw 5 is average, but you'll get answers on Hoffman's character, and the ending will blow your mind.
My question is, what was Hoffman's plans in case Riggs did not fail his test by opening the door? Would he allow Eric and Art Blank to live? Would he kill Riggs?
it will and not try to pay last as you are gonna ask more ever
the answers to confusions are usually as easy as being first in line
Not gonna give the exact timelines of each film from 1 - 7, for spoiler reasons of course, (Spiral is obviously different) but every film takes place between 2004 to 2006 and as you go and start to piece together the twists and the events you can start to place them all, tho this may honestly take more than 1 watch
Now i see this, wondering how youll feel about saw v
Hi there
The films get a whole lot crazier with Hoffman as the main villain, will just leave it at that. 7 is the right spot to end it as Jigsaw and Spiral don't add much of anything to the story.
Saw 7 and then Saw X
The beginning trap show a man who cant see.. a man who can't speak man.. and the whole movie about a man who do not hear.. eye, mouth, ear
Just started the video and immediately remembered this is the one with the autopsy scene I hope you’re watching the unrated version 🤢
Edit: yup they show EVERYTHING it’s pretty sick. It’s a good thing he died he was gonna have to shit that tape out
I loved 1 and 2 they were amazing
3 was ok
4 was eh didn’t really like it but eh
5 I liked but also didnt
6 was eh
7 I hated
Jigsaw was great
Spiral I hated
Saw X WAS SO GREAT
Perezzz 😍😍