IT: Chapter Two Review | Escape to the Movies
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Sorry for the lateness on this one. Copyright hits galore.
Fair enough we appreciate the direct communication
"Copyright hits galore" sounds like "We were told not to say anything bad so it had to be late". But thanks for the note.
@@tristanjohns5288 That too.
Nope, just wouldn't let us use any of the actual footage, that's why it's all stills now.
Escapist do they not like publicity?
really, any adaptation that cuts out the sewer gangbang is still ahead of the game.
wtf
COCAINE. DONT YOU TRY IT. DONT YOU TRY IT
@@bagandtag4391 At that point in his life, Stephen King did A LOT of cocaine. A LOT of it. I'm sure that a bunch of pre-teens having a gang bang in a sewer sounds like a great idea when you are doing literally all of the drugs, but not to anyone else.
@@divinityd662 _INNOVATOR! KILLER MACHINE..._
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I'd love to see a master cut of the 2 films that's structured like the book. It would be cool to see if this movie works better cut in between the first one.
Apparently it being worked on for Blu-Ray.
@@TheRanblingjohnny thank you for making my day
I'm amazed you made an entire review of a movie without ever saying the title. Also saying "It too" without ever saying what you were comparing it to was an interesting choice.
Take away: wait 27 years to watch It chapter 2 it’ll be much better
Wait 27 years until they recast part 2 with the actors from Part 1.
I do wonder if the best solution to this problem is to simply come up with an original take for the grown-up parts of the story, just take the overall premise and themes and set up, but make the entire conclusion radically different.
i agree with you
Probably, but the last time someone did that to a Steven king novel (yes I’m talking about Kubrick), king spent the next 30 years holding a massive grudge over it to the point that he went and made his own adaptation of his own book and it was godawful
@@haltopen12 To be fair, that was because Kubrick drastically changed the Jack Torrance to something King didn't like or recognize as the character he wrote. Kubrick changed what the story was about. The Shining is a great movie, but I understand Kings grievances with it. And it's not like he's generally opposed to changes to his source material. Frank Darabont changed the ending to The Mist and King said that he wishes he thought of the movie ending himself.
He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the comments.
I'd disagree that it's THAT much of a wash, though I agree with most of your overall criticism. I think the adult cast actually did a great job capturing not just the adult versions of the characters on the page but the adult versions of the characters performed by those kids (with Bill Hader as the obvious standout). And it's still very well shot and scored. But yeah, getting Chapter One to the perfect length and pace unfortunately left Chapter Two with having to pick up its slack and bloated its runtime. And Pennywise not being particularly scary anymore isn't even just the fault of the characters being adults, it's also because the first film worked TOO WELL and turned Bill Skarsgaard's Pennywise into a cultural icon. We enjoy Pennywise too much to be scared of him.
But yeah, seems like the overall takeaway is that they're can't be a perfect adaptation of the adult half of IT because the adult half of IT works best on the page and even then is a lot weaker than the kid part.
Hold on, I wouldnt say Pennywise by Skarsguard is a cultural icon, fun movie character but iconic? Nope.
@@darrenhood4033 I dunno, he was pretty ubiquitous in the fall of 2017. People went NUTS for him. I'd call him pretty iconic.
@@BlueScarabGuy Pennywise was already an icon. That's why people flocked to the film. The skarsgaurd version is not iconic on it's own that was my argument. It was successful in spite of him.
The lack of scares had nothing to do with Pennywise being too likeable (although I do enjoy this version of the character). Tension building was overall poor and the effects looked cartoonish this time around.
This movie ruined Chinese restaurants for me.
Marvel's The Defenders did that for me.
Rich, white-washed Iron Fist buys a Chinese restaurant so he and the Defenders can hide out and have a meeting over a meal for one episode.
Someone in my screening shouted at the movie "your food is shite" and then started a fight during that scene.
It only strengthened my love of Chinese restaurants.
(I wish that was a joke. It actually happened. Security were great, but we did miss the 15minutes of exposition dump)
I agree on a couple points. It wasn't as scary as part 1, the actors had less chemistry, and the bit about Pennywise' backstory. But I wouldn't say it was a was a wash either. Part 1 is genuinely horrifying, but it's also told from the perspective of children. Part 2 is more of a thriller, but it's also told from the perspective of adults. Adults who are still afraid but in a more "I'm risking my life" kind of afraid, rather than "I'm up against an unbeatable eldritch horror" kind of way. Which incidentally is part of why It targets children to begin with.
I really enjoyed "It Chapter 2", the cast is good, there are plenty of small moments in it that are good micro-scares, it is frequently funny, and if I am not wrong... all of the characters have an arc, with the standout of Bill getting rid of his survivor's guilt.
I have to agree with the AV Club on this one. Not a very good horror movie, but did make for a pretty decent dramedy. I enjoyed myself, anyway. Of course, I don't usually find Stephen King all that scary, anyway. (Exception: The Mist.)
Also, Bill Hader was fantastic.
Is there anyway we can get the end credit gags back? They were one of my favorite parts in the old reviews.
IT Chapter 2 is not as good as IT Chapter 1 but I have to say as someone who actually read the IT Novel that the adult part is also weaker than the children part in the Novel. That's my conclusion. IT Chapter 2 is still a good film in my opinion. 7/10
PS: I personally find the ending of the IT Novel better than the ending in IT Chapter 2 movie adaptation
Horrormaster13 I was personally hoping for the cosmic psycho space battle from the book.
@@xlukebearx It works better with the dual timelines. Splitting up the film to play out in chronological order lessons the drama of the adult portion. When Stan dies it makes every action his child self does in the past more tragic, when Bev is abused by her husband, it's more upsetting because we learn later on how shes possibly abused in the same manner by her father. The adult part by itself doesnt work without the kid portion.
As a Stephen King fan, I was disappointed in it. Particularly the climax with Pennywise becoming a spider like Pennywise, which was even sillier than the spider from the mini series. It felt like it was a way to give Bill Skarsgar more screen time.
Also, no Tim Curry cameo. That would have been great.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so here’s mine. :p it’s a good movie. I read the book and it is insanely long but I think both movies do the book justice. The ending I actually really enjoyed. You be the judge tho!
Well he didn't say it was trash it's just that the first one was so refreshing and innovative , you would expect that with a cast of adults and well-known actors they would get something along the same standards. A quarter and a dime still have value but kind of a weird drop off.
Nearly 3 hours and they shout the clown down.
It feels like a metaphor that things were better when we were kids
That's kind of like the exact opposite of the story's message. IT is partially a commentary about the 30 year cycle and how people tend to recall their childhood in a fonder light than the current times either due to selectively repressed memories or being blinded by their nostalgia. In reality, this is rarely the case. The 80s were NOT a better time than today and the 50s were NOT a better time than the 80s. IT is also a commentary about childhood fears and trauma. If you try to ignore the issues of the past they will fester and make your life miserable, but if you confront your past fears and trauma with an adult perspective and the support of people who care about you then you will often find that what seemed like a monsterous issue to overcome as a child was actually much less scary and much more manageable than you originally thought. The fact that IT is less scary in the adult portion of the story is essential to the story's message.
I genuinely had that spiderman shirt when I was 13 XD
theblocksays why not?
My biggest issue was that, not only is this not scary, there are times when it actively seems to be seeking to be funny during frightening scenes.
Like the song playing as the monster spews onto Eddie. My brother and I were legitimately questioning if there had been an error in the editing booth.
Jeez, I thought the ending was fine, but Pennywise did go out like a bitch. And if you’re adapting the book, why would you do the Ritual of Chüd and not the turtle?
It's been two years, Bob.
I thought it was alright. That middle act dragged on for like an hour.
@@lennynero8614 Almost 3, but yeah.
I'm 2 minutes in, and I disagree with you initial premises on four separate points. I now understand why nobody recommends these reviews to me
I REALLY feel like Bob got this completely wrong. Chapter 2 not being "as scary" as Chapter 1 is kind of the point of the film. Chapter 1 was all about fear and trauma and Chapter 2 is all about OVERCOMING fear and trauma, so naturally it's going to be less scary.
I liked how it played with the Ritual of Chud and set up at the beginning that "endings always suck" I thought it was a nice compromise between King's book ending with the Ritual, the original TV series' ending with the giant spider, and yet still added their own take on it by making it a Pennywise-Spider.
Yes it is inherently less scary for adults to fight a monster clown than kids by nature of them being adults but I thought Chapter 2 played well with turning the scares into adult fears, like instead of being the kid threatened by the monster clown now you have to watch and be helpless as the monster clown eats a kid. And the adults all being obviously stunted played into the theme, that "IT" isn't the monster clown, "IT" is growing up. That's why Bev's fear that Pennywise preyed on was blood, y'know, like a period, something that happens to girls as they age. And that extended to adult Bev by connecting it to all the sexual abuse and harassment she suffered in her life. And Billy's guilt over being responsible for Georgie's death and carrying it with him all those years, letting go of it was what finally allowed him to grow up, the scene with young and adult actors for Billy was amazing.
My one nitpick is it feels like the opening death was just kind of random and Pennywise should have no reason to go after that guy (he was an adult and he was unconscious so he wasn't afraid his partner was afraid.) And my only serious critique is the amnesia plot kept coming back and they talked about how they 'weren't together for that whole summer' idk, maybe it was just me but I felt like they were building to some reveal of something the kids did that went unshown in the first movie but once revealed it would totally change how you watch the first movie but then that reveal never came.
This really could have been cut down to 2 hours or less. Some scenes were so drawn out, it was borderline unwatchable. And I am really growing sick of "scary" movies relying on "startling" you with the full-on orchestra synthesizer "VRUM!!" sounds when something jumps out at you. That isn't scary. That's startling. There's a huge difference. The old lady scene is how it should be done. Every other scene was just the "VRUM!" sound over and over and over.
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Saw it over the weekend and good grief, that movie dragged. I was seriously considering ducking out for a smoke break in between.
The first one was genuinely scary but this one really only relied on jump scares and jarring noises. Blah all around.
any place in particular you suggest when to take a smoke break? I don't smoke, but if a long movie drags, then I want to at least stand up and get some fresh air.
@@84jesterx I live in Austria, so I doubt my reply would be of much help to you since I presume you live in the US. Sorry 😯
After your glittering recommendation of Godzilla KOTM, I don’t think I can trust you anymore.
Your edits are getting choppier. Lots of midword cuts. It’s very jarring.
I am kind of surprised to hear Bob negatively say "you need to see Chapter One to understand Chapter Two." Aside from Marvel Movie, isn't that true of most sequels? Regardless of whether Chapter Two is good or not, giving it flak for being confusing if you have not seen Chapter One is a bit silly. "Man, this Two Towers movie doesn't make any sense; why is this dirty guy, Boy George and Peter Dinklage with a beard chasing after these purple monsters?"
I wouldn't mind to see a new adaptation of The Running Man.
I love the Schwarzenegger movie, but I'd like to see something that sticks closer to the book. The only thing I demand is for Alex Garland to write it.
Definitely not as good as the first but I still enjoyed it, especially Bill Hader's performance.
*shrug*
I liked it. Glad I saw it before this review.
I will agree that the ending is a bit damp, not the visceral beat-down I was hoping for, but otherwise it was fun, and the casting is spot. on. Especially the Eddie's... I'm have convinced an actual time machine was at play there.
A story that would have always ended better on the cliffhanger promise fails again because it just kept going.
It chapter 2 wasn't bad was very unsatisfying as a horror movie
The moral of this story has always been: becoming an adult sucks, and then you will suck, too.
rare time where I disagree totally; loved this movie even knowing it's not as good as the first
but I'm noticing this is one the audience is liking a lot more than critics in general
I think you mean "Summer colors are done when it stops being 70-80 degrees in Boston"
Seriously, it's supposed to be 85 or so tomorrow here!
Bob is right on the money. Competent movie, but everything it did well in the first movie was lesser in the second. Would call it average.
Mind you, I'm pretty easy to please, but I loved it. I mean, there are certainly some genuine criticisms here, but I liked the movie. I did think the tokens thing was pretty contrived and an obviously inorganic way to add more scares, but overall I really enjoyed the whole thing enough that when I had to pee at the two hour mark, I definitely ran for it.
If they re-edited both films into a miniseries structured the same way as the book, it would probably play better overall.
One of those rare moments I utterly disagree with you
its a lack of breathing room the problem being tone and pitch swerve so fast that the native feels cramped and the team is kinda lost i think if there been new rat pack that evenly failed or an older theam that failed but returned to help the current team something to build up it then had the final battle and totems be there own movie the ending would feel kinda good its sappy but ends safely a trew felling of its over though I as a lazy whitter would have had the town vanish then the groop vanish ending on crater something something symbolism
it's funny how you don't make any mention of the major problems the movie has-- namely poor plotting, pacing, and overall editing--as well as the virtues. Bill Hader really does give a terrific performance in this movie.
Well that's a shame. To be honest I'm probably going to watch it anyway. I need the resolution to the story.
After having read the book and seen the first movie, I knew there was no way the second film could live up to either. And it couldn't. But it did FAR better than I gave it credit for. It does some interesting things, and the casting was done really well. And yeah, most of my positive view comes from not fucking it up as bad as it could have.
Damn. Did the world turtle even show up?
There's turtles in a bunch of the scenes so it's referenced, but it's not explicitly in there.
I enjoyed it more than you but I also didn't go in with the highest of expectations, not that I expected it to be bad mind you, just that I knew it would be missing the coming of age story which is what I enjoyed most about the first.
Do you think we're living in a golden age of Steven King adaptations?
even if they're not all hits the current King adaptations are leagues beyond whatever shit they did with them back in the 80's and 90's (sans The Shining of course, and maybe Pet Cemetery).
I loved it, but thought the biggest mistake the film made was in using flashbacks as a crutch - it was afraid of doing its own thing. Sure, the adult section isn't as interesting in the book, but it's exactly the part of the story that would work better as a movie. There was a lot of depth to each of the adult characters, and the chemistry between them was electric, but they were never explored - in a 3 hour movie! If this film concentrated purely on the adults' story it would have hit it out of the park.
It really felt like the studio were bowled over by how much the audience loved the kids, so wanted more of them in the film that wasn't written for them at all.
As is, I think it'll work really well for a big supercut of the two movies, but less so as its own sequel.
I think I'm the only person who might have enjoyed this half as much as the first. Something about the adults confronting their past and current demons really worked for me. It's too long-maybe by 20-30 minutes. But I like the character studies.
I'm just hoping that while we're in the middle of this desire on Hollywood's part to reboot all of King's old movies, that we get a quality rendition of Christine and, to a lesser extent, Rose Red.
PLEASE GOD LET THEM DO CHRISTINE!!!!!!
the biggest problem the sequel faces is the fact that it fast forwards all the interesting bits and slows down the boring try hard bits due to the fact that its meant to be a douology and not a trilogy (which it should have been)
you're better off just watching the mini series at that point cause at least that tries to tie the two timelines together
Yeah Bob I feel like you're too harsh on the movie. I mean it wasn't as good as part 1, but there was a lot to like. Pennywise was great. The adults for the most part ranged from pretty good to God tier bill hader. I thought they had great chemistry. I feel like they needed to scrap the whole "gotta find a totem" part of the movie in favor of something else to get rid of the monster. But it's just what we got. I'd say far more a 6/10
I'm finding the increasing trend of adding humour (or at least too much humour) into horror films really irritating, like this film did. I've noticed very few US critics seem to be pointing it out, but a few UK ones are? Is this a cultural thing? I understand having humour in the first act of a horror film to add contrast to the scary stuff, but once the scary stuff happens it should be scary, and never funny. Alien, for example, didn't have constant jokes in it, once the Alien actually appeared.
I mean I was going into this video having some middling thoughts on Chapter 2 yeah. Pennywise didn’t seem as intimidating as he should be for this finale confrontation.
Having said that, Bob again goes over the top in his negative review of it. Quite stunning really, makes you think the movie was god awful when it simply wasn’t.
"unwieldy forays" was possibly the worst cut i've ever heard
seems a good time to comment that sometimes you edit different takes of a sentence together and the result just highlights that neither half were that good anyway
another take would be better, a lighter touch would be just fine
I enjoyed it a lot. Maybe because I dont actually enjoy horror films and this one seemed to be more fun and fantastical than properly scary. Likely the same reason I enjoyed scary stories to tell in the dark, too. I honestly find the creature designs to be refreshing compared to most horror films that seem content to let the SpOoKy DoLl or dead nun do all the work. Those are boring! Your childhood friend's head turned into a crab is cool.
Part 2 was always going to be difficult. King is notoriously bad at endings and I enjoyed the digs about that in the film. It's best to approach chapter 2 as a drama with horror elements instead of straight up horror. I love the novel and both film adaptations.
Personally disagree and would give this a solid 8/10
I'm no film director, but if you make a mistake you retake the WHOLE sentance at LEAST, not the word you tripped on. I was so distracted by the mid sentance jump cuts. I understand you watched IT, but did you watch THIS before uploading it? Cool review, the video was a mess.
Id rank it a little higher but my main take away was how entertaining Hader was
I loved this movie. The cast was perfect and really felt like they captured the kids in their performances. The movie felt very intense the entire time. I thought it was creepy and dreadful but also very funny, beautiful and touching. Highly recommend and totally disagree with movie Bob
Damn, I really like Hader, McAvoy and Chastain, but I also really like not watching garbage. Thanks Bob.
I have the same Spider-man shirt. Well done
WOW. was not expecting that low of a score. I haven't watched it yet, but I kept thinking they should have waited maybe at least a couple more years before making this film. It probably would have helped it tremendously. Scrap the de-aging of the kids sections that I keep hearing about, and invent better ways to scare.
I wasn't quite as harsh as Bob, but I still found this was kinda boring. I respect the actors, and they made a lot of it somewhat worthwhile, but sweet mercy most of this seemed like a wild goose chase that ended up being absolutely pointless when the solution was, "DO THE SAME THING WE DID AS KIDS!"
I thoroughly enjoyed the film. It probably could have been edited down a bit but it was a good time. I thought the cast, effects, etc. were great.
I don't think it was that bad, the cast alone saves the movie imo, and there are a few good ideas here and there. Yes, vastly inferior to his predecessor, but not unwatchable by any means
OMG, I have that shirt! EPIC. 2001 MARVEL original. Those were out before they pulled the movie to adjust things.
Gotta say I'm disappointed by the tone of this review, I can understand not liking the film but for a dude that likes B flick monster features, you sounded extra venomous about this story in all its iterations. It just makes me a little sad :/
So who's ready for that new Dark Tower adaptation from Amazon, eh? Eeeeeeeeehhhh?
First one was 3.5/4 stars and this is 3/10? Dislike hard.
Movie was amazing. Maybe slightly less good than 1, but not like that.
Ooof. Sucks, but not unexpected. That last part has never really worked or done well. When you reveal the monster, the monster generally looses its fright.
Oddly, that's not really where the problems come from. It's more held back by pacing issues and retreads/retcons of some of the first film. It's fine as a movie, just not great like we all wanted.
It feels like the first one was released 27 years ago.
Love the content but really. Singing praises to Godzilla KotM but It Ch2 is a 3? Dont get me wrong it wasnt amazing but better than a 3. Id say 5/10. Formulaic (not scary) scares and bad pacing with a mediocre ending but it looked great(and i do count visual style in a review) there wasnt a single weak link in the acting(bill hader and james ransone as the standouts to me) and the writing worked for me(the scene to scene character writing, not the plot as a whole.
Pls review sahoo
It tried too hard to be funny and not scary in an attempt to get mainstream audiences, forgetting the fact that the original was successful *without* having to do too much of that.
Well that's disappointing. You know what's worse? I'm probably going to go see it in theaters anyway.
Eric Waters I’d say go. It appears from people online to be dividing opinions and I actually quite enjoyed it ;)
@@pigeon1873 oh, yeah, I'm definitely going. How could I not? It's just upsetting that Bob didn't like it; or tastes match up pretty closely.
Eric Waters Glad! Have fun :)
BS, Bob... This movie was long but well-paced, had good scares, and as far as horror movie sequels go, this one is one of the best I can remember. (Seriously, have horror movie sequels ever been good?!) This movie isn't perfect, but it is definitely better than mediocre. I sometimes get a sense that Moviebob has a bone to pick with some movies, and just pre-emptively decides how to score it. A la Sausage Party. It was kinda funny, but with really terrible animation, but, just like The Invention of Lying, pushes MB's agenda, and hence, he holds it in high regards.
Yeah that's pretty much exactly how I felt. Love your reviews man keep it up.
Brutal but fair. I’d bump it to 4/10 for making the monster evil lightbulbs and the hypnotoad moment with Hader bear the end.
This is one of those rare instances where I disagree with him. Except I agree with almost everything he said that made it not work. But I feel like there was more that made it work.
Just like the book to me, the child sections were scary and the adult sections were emotionally horrible. It was a good juxtaposition. I feel like movie did well enough on that to make it higher than a 3/10.
But then again there's other problems like using Bowers so little in part 2 they might have well not have bothered, or the interaction between Richie and Eddie in part 2 (while really good) feels out of place when watched right after part 1. They had to shove new kid scenes in part 2 just to justify it.
So I dunno. Maybe it is a 3/10.
It's right in the middle for me - the extra stuff with the kids felt like retreads/retcons to make the adult stuff in this version work but all it really did was muddy up their themes and arcs.
The adult section should have been more about how they'd essentially had their development arrested at the age that they first "beat" It.
But there was also a lot of great stuff in there, especially the trippy stuff in the climax, even if it was a still bit of a jumble. Overall it's good, just not great and the disappointment of it not hitting a home run makes it suffer a little more for it. 5/10, 6 if i'm in a good mood.
Soooo did they bring the giant turtle........ because that all i wanted to see 🐢😐
No.
@@darrenhood4033 .........dammit 😳😑😔
I'll tell you what really doesn't work, that damn yellow jacket you're wearing.
Your editing is really jarring.
I loved the film, IT is weird but also funny and scary... kinda like a clown. Which is also why Pennywise himself isn't as scary as he was in part 1, the MCs are adults and IT's a fucking clown. Defo don't agree with ya on this one, Bob.
Could say It didn't pan out.
That shirt is ugly as fuck.
I kind of love it.
Not to spoil things but that intro joke Bob was soo meta! Those interested In seeing this movie, I’d say wait till streaming video! Also don’t apologize Bob! As a fan of the first movie this was a disappointment!
It came out 2 years ago
Hard to take these reviews serious when he made me think King of Monsters was going to be good and it was absolute shit.
Yeah... it really coasted on the fumes of the first one.
Bob, you were entirely too kind to this pathetic turd of a movie.
It is what it is.
Huh, I really enjoyed this one, I guess we just have different taste
WOW. I expected at least a 5, from what I'd read.
Oh shit that's unfortunate guess I'm waiting for it to drop on a streaming service.
I can usually stomach a lower rating on stuff I'm excited for but I've never seen a 3 I think.
Don't take this as gospel. He makes some good points but his 3/10 rating is nonsense. I would say it's a 6 or 7/10. Not amazing like the first, but not a raging disappointment either. Maybe just wait for IT to hit your local cheap theater, if you've got one of those.
I enjoyed it for what it was. I agree with you. But I still enjoyed it.