The App from Apple Which WILL Destroy Freeform in 2023
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- I know, I’ve created the most comprehensive 2 part Mastercourse on Freeform myself here on RUclips - if you haven’t watched it, here is a link. But I found out that Apple has another app, which could be a real Freeform alternative if not even a Freeform killer for you. It has about 95% of Freeforms functionality and comes with a ton of other great features itself.
If you want to find out which app it is, what makes it better than Freeform and where Freeform still wins, stay tuned.
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Remarkable revelation! I never realized these possibilities existed for Numbers. It would be great if Apple incorporated the changes you suggest to enable exchanging info between Freeform and Numbers. Many thanks for such an eye-opening video!
Thank you for the kind words. Yes, I hope we will have better interoperability between all of Apples apps. Now that we have the same basic set of tools in Numbers, Pages, Keynote and Freeform, I hope that Apple will make it easier for them to work together.
Brilliant video. Never saw numbers that way before. Will have to try it out. Thanks.
Have fun!
Ok, there's a lot of clickbait on RUclips, but this is simply amazing. Why in the world doesn't Apple make this better known? I could have used this so many times over the years.
I don’t know. Well, they do these quick presentations during WWDC, but I agree that more could be done to show the power of their apps to more people. Glad you clicked on this clickbaity-sounding link and learned something valuable.
@@patrickstoeckmann I am sharing this with colleagues too! I've come across a few Apple features over the years that were never really discussed or talked up by Apple, but are so simple and useful. Best clickbaity link I've ever clicked on. Seriously. Thanks for doing this video.
Outstanding vid!! Thank you for this.
Glad I could help you. Thank you.
I was waiting with full suspension and you said "Numbers". I said "Numbers!!! What?" Glad you kept it a secret and calling it App X. I am sure I would have a different viewpoint if I new you were talking about Numbers before. This way I kept an open mind.
Excellent video! Thanks for the info - I've been looking for a dynamic and versatile "Board and Brainstorming" app and I think Numbers might be a great candidate now. Are you planning on making a Mastercourse on Numbers too? Please do!!
I did, you should check out: studio.ruclips.net/user/videoq-fkBPX8AlA/edit
I've been using Numbers as an alternative for Freeform for 3 years. I got excited for Freeform because I thought it would be a part of iWork. Seeing how documents cant be individual files, and how features from Numbers are missing, I wont be switching
That is actually a wise choice. I think Freeform has its uses, but for now Numbers is way more potent most of the time.
Wow. I learnt a lot. Thanks
Awesome. Glad you found me in 2023.
I searched for alternatives for Freeform when I learned that it has no "Checklist" function. Could you suggest which free app can be used to have checklist, sticker notes, and free-flow text? Thank you!
You can use Numbers for checklists. Create a 2 column table and in column A select the format checkbox. Boom you have your checklist.
Spot on! Nice content! Thx!
Thanks. Glad I could help.
Can you do a full master class for numbers?
I am considering it.
Excellent content Patrick 👏🏼
Thank you very much.
What a clever way to look at both apps. Subscribed.
Thank you and welcome.
Same! Saw it coming early on, though had bet more on Pages 😊 nice presentation!
Agreed the ability to bring over working copied sections from FreeForm into AppX and the other way around is imperative. I ran into this problem yesterday while collaborating and had to switch to another program all together (PC based). FreeForm was working but then failed completely on this point. Apple please enable this super important feature.
Yeah, that is really a bummer.
So far, as of July 2023, Freeform now allows you to remove the background from an image, but it doesn't give you the option to reset the background, nor does it let you control to drag across colors to make them transparent like in Numbers. It's an automatic removal and it does a good job.
Yes, Numbers is still ahead here. But of course the automatic removal is a great tool for this specific purpose.
Thanks! Never thought about Numbers, fun mystery!
Glad you sticked to the end and found something useful.
Who knew? Very good video! Thanks.👍
Glad I could teach you something new.
Could I create (and later edit) a progress bar in numbers?
Maybe this will help you: discussions.apple.com/thread/8192310
Das ist ja wirklich eine Entdeckung! Vielen Dank dafür. Ich bin gespannt, ob die beiden Apps in Zukunft besser miteinander kommunizieren.
Da hoffe ich drauf.
My go-to infinite-canvas is ZOOMNOTES not even close. Freeform is amusing. Will definitely give Numbers a well-deserved 2nd look. Would love to see a long form vid review of Zoomnotes. It may even be worthy of you creating a Masterclass.
Zoom Notes is a great app for a single user, but AFAIK collaboration is not a primary focus here. So I think both apps have different usage scenarios. For note taking I agree it is superior.
Thanks for a fresh perspective on Numbers - hadn’t thought of it as a mind mapping / white board competitor to Freeform. While your title was intriguing I don’t agree with some of the other commentators that it is clickbait. I’m a long-time excel user, and I always appreciated numbers sheets & tables flexibility compared to excel.
I think what this really highlights is Apple’s strength on developing OS-level toolkits and capabilities that any app can adopt and customize. I’d love for Apple to make Freeform part of the iWork family, and expand and enhance the toolkits across all respectively so there is better parity in functionality and capabilities.
I too am looking forward to that.
Oh wow. I had no idea most of Freeform has already existed in an app I always looked over (guess that's marketing for ya lol).
By the way, I can't wait to see this channel take off! You're checking off all of the RUclips boxes that lead to a bigger audience!
Thanks for the kind words. Glad, you learned something new about an old app ;-)
Hallo, now can we add all pages of PDF to number?
Unfortunately no. I would put the PDF in an iCloud Folder, create a link via the Share menu and then copy that to either Numbers or Freeform. Then I would do the edits using the Files app on iOS/iPadOS or the Preview app on Mac.
Interesting point of view, I agree with you.
Thank you very much.
I don't understand why there isn't a drawing option on the desktop app.... Image Capture has it.
I hope it will come there too. Sometimes Apple needs a V2 to get it right.
yeah I'm sure they'll bring tables into freeform at some point. like I think micosoft OneNote has been doing this for like a decade but I dunno if that can be shared
Sigh, I agree. Although I am not sure, whether OneNote had it with V1.0, so let's hope for the best ;-)
The end was a bit of a surprise for me. Was thinking Keynote all along!-)
They all have the same set of tools, so Keynote is a close contender. Only difference is the slide (or page with Pages) paradigm as a size constraint. Not so with Numbers.
Lol, the main reason it will kill freeform for me is the lack of support of dark mode on freeform, whereas Numbers seems to have a blank template with dark mode. Thanks for this great suggestion!
Great you found your app (incl. Dark mode)
Hah! I had a similar idea after playing with Freeform (after installing the beta, after watching your earlier two videos).
Although, for me, I was thinking that Keynote is the better alternative... it's less of a stretch/hack to think of Freeform-esque collaboration. However, I mostly use these apps solo.
Actually, Pages, Numbers and Keynote now have the same toolset than Freeform. The only difference is the canvas size and means of presentation. Pages is clearly defined by a printable canvas size, Keynote by a presentable canvas size while Numbers and Freeform share the paradigm of the infinite canvas size. That’s why I chose Numbers as the closest to Freeform.
There is no drawing feature in number on macos if you want to use external tablet, so I guess it won't destroy freeform
Have you tried using an external tablet with Freeform for Mac? I have no tablet to test it with, so I am not sure whether it will work.
@@patrickstoeckmann I don't have access to freeform yet, but OneNote / Miro / MS Whiteboard - all of them have "pen mode" that even work with a mouse pointer. That's why I assume freeform as a skerching app will have it as well. Too bad for numbers, I've checked it after watching your video and as you said - it works great on ipad
Unfortunately the sketching is also on Freeform limited to iPad. Let‘s hope the will improve upon it.
@@patrickstoeckmann Yes, unfortunately 😞. By the way, I had the opportunity to test Numbers during my university classes (mathematics) and within 2 hours I had to create a total of 4 tabs, because input lag appeared quickly in Numbers (ipad pro 12'9). So far, from my experience, OneNote wins in the infinite canvas category
Apple Numbers only needed to copy Excel's general commands and people would use it.
I doubt that. I guess that Excels dominance in the business world has a lot to do with its integration into other services like databases and of course the dominance of the MS Office Suite in the corporate environment. I guess Apple is not after these clients with its productivity suite.
Your comparison basically says canvas in both app are the same but there are noticeable differences. If you try to organize 200 photos into 12 categories and import them from the photo app, you'll find that Numbers makes the task so much more difficult because it can only insert one photo at a time and lacks the ability to zoom out indefinitely. On the other hand, Freeform allows you to insert multiple photos at once and offers greater flexibility in manipulating the canvas. I am yet to test and compare other features.
You can import multiple photos into numbers by drag and drop from the photos app into the numbers app. However, Freeform improved upon that by making the insert dialog within the app better, I agree. Also when you import multiple photos into Freeform they get auto-aligned better than in Numbers, where they are all lumped together.
About the zooming out - well Freeform doesn't also allow for indefinite zoom out level. It stops at 10% while Numbers stops at 50%, so yeah Freeform is better there too. I hope they will continue improving on Freeform. Don't get me wrong, I love the app. My biggest problem is that you can't really copy objects from and to other apps like Numbers. If they would correct that, you could do so much more with Freeform by allowing to add stuff that it doesn't do (like Tables) from other apps (like Numbers).
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise. Multiple photos drag and drop from photos to numbers only works on Mac. My personal preference is to use it on Ipad, there are folks just don’t have Mac and they nerves will. I would really like to see freeforms and numbers have some supports for database , Apple please give freeform smart folders, it’s very messy right now.
@@Thisnthat979 Oh yes, you can drag and drop multiple photos on iPad (and even iPhone). Just select multiple photos in the Photos app (via the Select button), then start dragging one and the whole collection will be dragged. Then switch to Numbers and drop them there. If you want to find out what else you can use drag and drop on iOS and iPadOS with I suggest you take a look at ruclips.net/video/RkKsCapm0f8/видео.html
@@patrickstoeckmann Thank you for pointing that out, I tried on my iPad again, yes it works, I just have to be a bit patient.
can you do a tutorial on specifically mind mapping. like the app mind maps automatically makes the nodes by pressing tab and it auto sizes and moves things so perfectly. can we create the same experience in freeform??
No, it is not possible to replicate that. There is currently no auto-aligning like with all these Mind-Map Tools. You can quickly create any diagram by dragging on the connectors and selecting any of the basic shapes, but you must align them by hand. So, while you can do Mind Maps with Freeform, you should go for other tools if you really want to have the Mind Map experience.
I use a drawing tablet with Mac but all these apps don’t have free-hand drawing on Mac and infinite canvas
I don’t have a drawing tablet, so I don’t know whether numbers will support them. However you can import drawings from the iPad, so you can combine them.
@@patrickstoeckmann Thanks for replying, yes you’re right. I sent them a request for this feature-"using drawing tablets with freeform” hopefully they add it.
That's amazing! Who knew?
Now you do 😉
Wow, I'll play with it asap
Have fun with it.
@@patrickstoeckmann I've played with it. And you can have ACTUAL TEMPLATES. And you can change background color to something dark and save it as a template.
And I've created a apple shortcut to create a new file with the template, so I don't have to delete default table every time and it's so quick.
This is my "selling point", I'll be using numbers.
It feels weird to whiteboard on "numbers" but it's actually way way better.
Both apps have to add "holding the stroke for perfect shapes", like in Notes App. I mean, it's already built.
I like freeform for making memes and “mood boards” I like how simple & streamlined it is
That is a good use case. Thank you.
Cool 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you. Glad I could surprise you.
Now I have to figure out which app to hand to my business partner and hold the other one back for later surprise
LOL - that could be fun.
Aren’t you suggesting that I use numbers the same way I would use pages?
You could use pages, because they share the same toolset. But pages is based on the page paradigm, i.e. you start with a fixed page size. Freeform and Number however start with the infinite canvas idea, which makes it better for spreading out your ideas.
@@patrickstoeckmann ok, I didn’t know that. Thanks
Jamboard is an alternative which also has cross platform support 😂🎉
Well all of the great tech companies have these kind of apps. Google, MS and now also Apple. If you go for cross-plattform your pick will NEVER be Apple 😉
@@patrickstoeckmann ikr🤣 but apple and their fan base act as if it's something new and revolutionary
Jamboard is discontinued resp. dead in the water, isn’t it?
What’s the real name of APP X?
It‘s revealed in the video at 07:40.
this video aged well
While Freeform gets better (slowly) - I think there are still a lot of use cases, where Numbers is the better tool.
God damn! Why do you have to drag the video out?
Had I come out with the answer right out of the gate some people might have dismissed it because they are stuck in the old “Numbers is just like Excel just worse” mindset.
Damn!
Damn indeed ;-)
@@patrickstoeckmann I‘ve been dreaming of such an app since *2013* ie a non-clunky and non-annoying onenote and it‘s been sitting right there in front of me 😂 thanks for drastically improving my life
Glad I could help you with that.
#mindblown
Glad I could blow your mind with this video. Have a wonderful holiday season.
freeform has the worst input lag.
Haven‘t had that problem. Did you include lots of media or are you using an older iPad? I found that with lots of media Freeform is actually faster than Number though.
my main complaints about freeform is lack of collaboration with non-apple users and you cant use the drawing tool on desktop app. in this day and age, how do you not have those 2 most basics? 😭
Well, Apple doesn’t make money from Freeform as a service but by selling devices. Therefore I don’t expect them to release a non-Apple device collaboration feature. It is obviously another lock-in feature (like iMessage). And they suppose if you want to draw you are using the iPad as the drawing tool, not the clunky mouse. To be fair mouse drawing always is terrible. Somehow they won’t consider other drawing solution (which there are many for the Mac). Maybe this will come one day.
Same😢 Right now I use Miro. Do you use any alternative whiteboard apps?
@@cubingwithcarl4572 i switch between figjam and freeform. just because im a designer and already uses figma
The purpose of Freeform and Numbers are simply not in the leats bit aligned. This video might be described as interesting, but personally I found it pretty annoying. You're conflating the two apps for the sake of sensationalism and clickbait. Freeform is beyond all levels of superior when it comes to collaboration on "endless" mind-mapping
How is it clickbait if I do a complete feature comparison including a table which shows that Freeform only has 3 features (links as cards, post-it notes and scans) which Numbers doesn't have. The "purpose" of an app doesn't matter, if the feature set allows for an alternative usage. And sorry to say, but take a look at the feature set, how can you call Freeform beyond all levels of superior especially when it comes to collaboration, when the collaboration feature is exactly the same in both apps. Please take a look at: www.dropbox.com/s/af2hpks6eerq3wf/Comparison%20Freeform%20vs.%20App%20X.pdf?dl=0 and tell me where exactly these superior levels are.
Tried Google Jamboard and Windows Whiteboard. Freeform is way better than any of those.
@@patrickstoeckmannit's clickbait because your title says that numbers will destroy Freeform.
Creative way to present App X awesome abilities! 🥳 Made a comment about App x at Dailytekks video on Freeform which created a big fuzz. Great you also spread the word.
That is great. Actually I was surprised when Freeform came out how much of it was already in all of the iWork apps. I could have picked all of them for comparison but due to the infinite canvas Numbers was the closest.
It was really annoying that you went so far out of the way to hide the name of the other app just to lead people on and increase watch time. Thumbs down.
Well, most people never use Numbers in that way, so I wanted to show them unbiased what Numbers is also capable of. Agreed, that not all might like the setup, it wasn’t for increasing watch time it was for opening peoples minds up.
I really hope this video hits several million views !!! Why make Freeform when they can market numbers to do the same thing and it removes image backgrounds
I guess they target different markets with it. Still, I hope you are right about the million views though ;-)