Twitch Bans are Vacations for Streamers
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I've probably covered a dozen videos about Twitch banning streamers and Twitch bans on prominent streamers. Everytime Twitch bans Hasanabi or Twitch bans Mizkif, there's a huge conversation about it. I decided to look into the stats about Twitch Bans - even high profile Twitch bans like when Twitch banned Dr. Disrespect.
Why is it that some people get banned on Twitch and some people don't? Also what's the deal with Twitch DMCA and huge streamers getting away with streaming movies and TV shows? I explore those issues by digging into the graphs of what happens after someone is banned on Twitch. We also explore a bit into the Pokimane Ninja drama on Twitch and what the results of it were from a stats perspective.
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This is only true for large streamers whose bans will be advertised. Small to medium streamers can actually have their careers severely damaged by bans.
well, just gotta hate raid poki and ull be in the news
@@mimixis in the short term, he'll have attention but he won't be able to collab with the W streamers due to Twitch TOS.
@@traplover6357 incorrect, not talking about permabans here
@@mimixis but hate-raid *is* permaban... 🙄
This has been evident without the bans also, when people push the limits of what is allowed and not allowed via the metas. Hot Tub, Watching TV Shows & Gambling all generated mass amounts of news and talking about creators doing these things everywhere. It's just smart business.
You could argue the same for subathons, so many streamers have traded their good quality streams for farming money and ruining their streams during subathons.
Be honest with yourself pestily. You didn't do a subathon because it would provide the best content for your viewers lol
@@BodieMoto My first Subathon was an experiment, the second one was really high quality content where I did some really entertaining stuff. The next one will blow the second out of the water. Subathons don't generate anywhere near as much news as drama. Unless someone does one to break Ludwigs record I would be surprised to see an article about it.
@@Pestily your subathon was amazing no idea what this guy is talking about tbh.
its similar to big companies getting fines. 20m fine vs 1billion in profit, its just the cost of doing business, but they can get negative reputation for much longer than a content creator.
@@Pestily subathon is hard work though compared to just watching a tv show on stream.
Most companies give PTO to their workers, and Twitch never previously did that. Great to hear that Twitch is now giving streamers time off from their high stress jobs AND paying them with extra viewers. A big win for employee rights.
only if you're a big/preferred streamer. if you're a nobody, kiss your channel goodbye
@@darksunDS yup if you're small it's always a permanent ban lol
@@darksunDS and sometimes that doesn’t even matter to them, look at Dr Disrespect
@@HoneyKASMR to be fair, he got away with it a couple of times too. His account termination is probably tied to him, in one way or another, stepping on their toes, thus removing him from under their protection. That's partly why i said big/preferred. He was no longer under their good graces, so he was fair game like anyone else. Even the biggest creators on the platform can disappear over night if Twitch has beef with them, and none of them are big enough to do anything about it.
Please change the title to "Twitch Bans are Vacations for Big Streamers" because we all know if you aren't big you get banned like myself for months and no response from Twitch at all.
Sorry to hear that
Great point! And apologies for a shitty situation for you. Hope it gets fixed soon homie!
Watch Davin Nash saying "There's no such thing as bad publicity" for 23 minutes straight
And then like and comment
Devin using a pdf instead of notepad scares me
7:15 into the video and I get an epiphany:
Twitch bans for content creators are the equivalent of rappers releasing albums after they get out of prison or after they get arrested something among those lines.
Ninja's numbers on the 18th were not *JUST* from the controversy... there was a HUGE event in Fortnite... Tilted Towers came back to the game and he was streaming with Sypherpk and CourageJD for a big chunk of the day. The Fortnite category as a whole had more viewers over the past few days vs the previous few days.
This is nothing new. Twitch(Streamer Management) are taking a page from local radio from the 80’s and 90’s. Shock Jocks do something stupid, listeners get outraged, radio station “suspends” said on air talent for two weeks. I remember two on-air talents who put a kitten in a basket and launched it up with 900 helium balloons above the city they broadcasted from. Listeners called into the radio station outraged. PETA got involved, there was talk of fines, arrest, and prosecution. Radio management stepped in and suspended the two shock jocks for two weeks. When they returned two weeks later their numbers went up. It was never brought up again on air for “legal reasons” Nothing happened to these two, no fines, no arrest, no prosecution. Why? THERE WAS NO KITTEN. Just a bunch of helium balloons tied to a basket floating above the city. Years later it was revealed this is how shock jocks would take planned vacations. Another radio team got suspended for dropping a chicken from the 4th floor of their office building on a bet that a chicken had wings and that it could actually fly. There was no chicken, just some really bad sound effects and two guys that could sell the bit.
Hi Devin, Do we know at what viewership bans are helpful to a creator? Bans for creators outside of the top 50 typically ruin them.
Ninja stats are Fortnite related. They brought back Tilted Towers and every big streamer had more viewers for Fortnite on Tuesday. I do agree with everything else you said but the Ninja spike is explainable.
I always thought that too. Big streamers get themselves 'banned' so they can have an excuse not to stream and take a break while also drumming up free publicity for it.
i didnt think this was news tbh lol. i remember when alinity was in the headlines way back when for one controversy or another. there was some article that alleged that she was timing her scandals on purpose around weekends and holidays to give herself an extended break for vacation, then come back to even more viewers so as to not hurt her bottom line. this was many moons ago, so as far as i knew, this isnt some new phenomenon lol.
god forbid a small streamer get banned. they'd be screwed to the wall
There is no such thing as bad press. "Content Creators" are quite literally becoming politicians.
I remember Kripparrian talking about this 2-3 years ago, and streamers have only been doing it more since then
The unfortunate reality is that drama works. It always has and always will. Now you can do the whole drama thing incorrectly, but that's playing with fire. These streamers know what they are doing at this point and they know it works better than it ever has in the past with the growing acceptance of livestreaming and content creation as a career.
This is why I believe there is so much hacking in Warzone. Anytime a big streamers makes a video whether is spectating one or getting killed by one or anything that deals with a hacker, their view be crazy high compared to their other videos. Which in my opinion influences other people to become hackers because it gets publicized so much.
Who's tryinna start some drama
Not gonna lie, this kind of thing just really shows how screwed up media and the culture behind it can be. To think that controversy allows for people to blow up kind of sickens me. I feel like I'd like to grow without causing drama.
And thats why higher ups in companies breaking the rules stay on their places...
I was just thinking about this topic the other day when I noticed Ninja was holding over 30k, was just after his threatening DM. I believe another big factor is the social media algo will always recognize the higher engagement in controversial content, and then push it to a wider range of people. Poki is normally not even on my radar but twitter fed me a bunch of posts about the drama when I don't even have her followed, so normally I see nothing from or about her.
Funny how breaking twitch ToS results in a vacation and a bonus
Its been commented a few times but its VERY IMPORTANT to re-iterate! This is ONLY true for Large to Big Time Streamers! Bans are horrible for the lower tier of that Top 1%. And throwing Ninja in there acting like the Poki drama made his career is laughable. Just sayin', but none the less I love the content almost always Devin keep up the great work. Just don't completely agree with the video's premise this time.
The meta keeps changing, but drama and bans are still king.
For *BIG* streamers. Small streamers get a ban and lose half their audience when they come back because they don't have the audience to generate any type of buzz around the ban.
Yeah, Vaush is still banned for the same thing Hasan did.
Twitch is turning into some random MTV reality show now
For myself this is well known for ages. But good video.
Hasn't all news is good news been a long time advertising adage, so it's not super surprising to me. Not that this is always true, but it certainly has some truth when the news/outrage isn't particularly sticky.
As the saying goes “There is no such thing as bad publicity”
Only way to beat it is no publicity at all.
It’s really not that mind boggling that these negative news don’t stick when you realize that the whole influencer business that these streamers are on is no different than the cult business that was prevalent in the 80s 90s and early 2000s. It’s the same business model of cultivating a large community that would get behind you through everything, good or bad. The only difference is that cult leaders offer salvation while influencers offer happiness.
An interesting extra thing to look into would be - at what point does a ban turn from being bad to good for small creators? It could be argued that getting into beef and drama would be good, but in terms of a week long ban, what does it look like? since most small creators would die on twitch if they got banned
This takes me back to the days where youtubers used to create fake drama to get more followers.
So great! Thanks for doing these pieces of content.
The old saying "There is no such thing as bad press" is so true for content creators.
Glad someone is talking about this. Luv ya devin
Honey, new Devin Nash video dropped!
That explains watching animes on stream. Vacation + get some free viewer bump. Even large lawsuits are pretty iffy as did not last long
Not too much news. I cannot remember who said it, but the gist is "In entertainment, there is no bad press. You only fail when no one is talking about you."
I call it the Paris Hilton effect. Basically as the old saying goes "Bad publicity is still publicity".
This reminds me of the quote: "Any press, no matter good or bad, is good press"
I took a REALLY long vacation then
I did hear Amoranth say she uses bans as an opportunity to get photo shoots and other things done so that she doesn't have to squeeze it in between streaming like she usually does. It was an Anthony Padilla interview and it was surprisingly good.
The title should be something like "Twitch Bans are Free Marketing Campaigns for Streamers".
Amoranth also mentioned that she purposely posts her investments because every time it causes controversy and publicity. She was really impressive in that interview.
It's a common phrase, but one I feel the streaming community don't necessarily understand as well as perhaps those schooled in media behaviour... "There's no such thing as bad press."
it is interesting how the bans are either short or permabans
I mean we have the phrase "there is no such thing as bad publicity" for a reason
And you've already mentioned before that negative engagement is still engagement sooooooo
Fastest possible way to grow on twitch: the speed run.
The vampire analogy is perfect but good luck getting a dedicated "fan" to recognise this within themselves. Cheers.
This always seemed really obvious to me.
I think the only time bad press sticks is when someone admits fault. Which sucks because you'd think it should be the other way around.
But love the videos, listening to it now. I recommend you all the time especially to budding content creators. Thanks for your effort into analyzing these kinds of things
It’s going to take a culture shift to swing this behavior, and I hope we can figure that out. I agree a lot with what was suggested in this video.
Can I just say I love how smooth your green screen is
It is. Because it is painted green wall without any shadows
Another hot take! Glad I don’t have to get banned at my job to get a few days off!
it's a hot take hot on the heels of marketing people from more than a hundred years ago
I need a vacation, do I start calling customers crackers?
U want a real vacation, instead call them the n word
Awesome video!
Ludwig when he got on youtube: "hold my beer"
I never understand how so many people spend more time on other peoples lives - people the don’t actually know - rather than spending time building themselves up. That’s the real problem.
Have always felt this was the case, but cool to see the actual figures. I'll admit I was a culture vampire when this Poki stuff broke out. Watched the top 0.00000001% streamers' reactions to it as if it mattered somehow.
I'm confused as to what's new?
you get a new camera?
11:44 does it though? You are assuming that all the xqc or hasan viewers will immediately just stop watching twitch and only come back when the streamer is unbanned. Is there any data to back this up? Because we know very well that a lot of viewers watch multiple channels, it was the basis of how the twitch atlas grouped streamers. So the twitch's lost income on an xqc ban is only the viewers who watch xqc exclusively. Most xqc viewers will probably just switch to some other stream for the time being.
What are the chances we get an episode with Logan going over something like this, similar to the interviews with Lud, Mizkiff etc
I appreciate Devin Nash content.
they ban smaller creators for 3 months :)
It's like banning a book.
Devin everyone has been saying this for years. Thanks for the news.
God I love your videos, you are great at connecting your ideas!
So.. Long story short... Be provocative and profit... ~_~;
Worse... profit to the detriment of the baseline of human culture. "The lowest common denominator".
This one almost penetrated my disdain. Almost.
It's so fucking demoralizing to see folks intentionally break the rules and then get REWARDED for it. It's why I've gotten to the point of me just refusing to watch any of the top creators outside of CohhCarnage because he's chosen to be above the fray and not engage in this sorta thing.
Plot twist: bans have been the meta the whole time 😮😮
No matter how they talk about you, all that matters is that they just keep talking, and the worse they talk, the better it is for you.
the takeaway: be a drama frog 💀
Drama and debate around it drives Twitter and Facebook as well...and yes, it does make everything feel more like a race to the bottom.
devin discovering in real time that all publicity is good publicity
Isn’t there an old adage “All publicity is good publicity”
So twitch literally helped Drdisrepects streaming career.
Ouch that's gotta sting!
i dont understand why he wants back on twitch so desperately then if he is doing this good on youtube
@@AVD223 because he was getting paid a flat fee to stream on twitch lol streamers don't care about viewers after a certain point it's all about money.
@@BodieMoto what is the point here does anyone seriously think even if he wins the lawsuit that things are gonna Go back the way it was? Hes Not gonna get any good contract after that
@@BodieMoto Holy shit dude I saw your comment on Pestily, now this comment, I click your profile and you have 14 comments on this channel and most of them are hating on streamers. You really need to step out and touch some grass. Your hate for streamers won't get you anywhere, sounds like envy which is worse
I think a missing element to this conversation is what it does to a streamer outside of a business perspective. Sure, their numbers rise but so does the harassment, hate, toxicity, and negativity of being known for being such a low life. And they wonder why being a streamer makes people so miserable despite having all the money in the world. Just ask Ninja. Filthy rich, fucking miserable.
Please Devin don't get banned (vacation)
At the end this video tells us that people go to twitch for the reality tv, dramas, softcore pr0n and parasocial interaction. These trends are nothing new, this is what normies like from tv.
People that watch tv are on twitch now and most streamers picked on that, they dont care about gaming or the platform at all.
Hi devin!
The real question is was the typo of a repeated #2 in the list on purpose to farm comments calling it out? 🤔 (Here, have a comment, ya filthy algorithm).
This Thumb nail is funny because Ludwig just hyped up a guy who could make a thumbnial in the same way. Looks like that guy is also a mastermind.
Twitch has become an unbearable joke.
Pretty much
I mean their punishments aren't punishing like they should be. I 100% agree. But the increases in popularity are generally just a result of publicity and coverage which is something they may have simply just.. not accounted for. If Twitch realizes that what they're doing isn't effective and adjusts it. Then cool. They probably won't.. but.. y'know
(Also Twitch is totally still a joke but I think that for other reasons. If they ignore this and end up sweeping it under the rug then add it to the list)
@@wordydird good for business, bad for public perception and mental health
@@machomeech Definitely, it's something they need to take seriously. I doubt they will, but when negative behavior is encouraged it's only gonna blow up in their face.
Ik this isnt the topic of the video, but im really curious if him and Jasmine are still together, someone lmk.
I guess we know why pokicringe an toast we’re watching dmca stuff
Don't partnered twitch streamers get handlers? Their very own little twitch goblin telling them that saying slurs and watching full movies and television shows would get them banned.
Hey Devin, I was checking out some top streamers stats and noticed AdinRoss out of the blue doubled his average viewership, went from 30k per stream to 60k. I’ve never seen such a high spike of average concurrent viewers so fast. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m curious how can a streamer achieve those numbers overnight?
If Twitch wants to not be beholden to just a small handful of creators at the top generating 1%+ of their revenue or whatever, they (and perhaps the Twitch community at large, ie we the viewers) need to push more smaller and medium sized creators who actually make good content to the top and level the playing field. How we do that is a lot more complicated and will take months/years if Twitch even survives that long lol...
Instead of just temporarily banning streamers for blatantly violating TOS and then laughing about it on twitter, what if the ban also came with a "probation" period following the unban that would place certain account restrictions for a while like category suspensions, daily stream time limits (like 2 hours or something), a much lower cut of subscriptions (imagine having to tell your viewers not to subscribe because Twitch is getting 80% until X date)
it is what it is and what is! will always be respectfully
I hear you and you make great points, but on Hasan; he got banned for saying “cracker”.. I mean lol did he really see that coming? The ban was ridiculous.
So when is Poke releasing her version of Kayne's dis on Taylor Swift?
Devin, i hate to be a hater. but this video is completely obtuse. It's nothing new to realize that people don't look away from car wrecks. Have you tried watching news lately. its just people yelling at each other. You might have the business side of this stuff down but any freshmen psychology class attendee knows that this is how things are going.
People watching this video: So I need to be banned to become bigger? ( some twitch streamer with 2 followers)
Gerald Knott at it again
Oh heck yes. More content
A PERMANENT BAN is no permanent ban, just give them a ticket to hell and ignore the whining on Twitter. simple fix
Content creators? More like... more um- more uhhh... more like...
Drama creators. Heh
Wow, makes me really not like Twitch even more. Great video as always my friend!
Twitch ban is the ultimate discoverability tool \o\
It’s been very evident and super bizarre to watch unfold from the outside tbh
Connoreatspants was talking about how he was down to get banned cause every streamers come back stream gets a shit ton of views and gift subs
Are the current viewers off , need to edit that...