3 weapons that didn't hit the list: Bonereaver's Edge, Stormherald and Dragonwrath. Those 3 weapons in their current patch of content were absolutely absurd
Forgot bonereavers edge... Highest dps 2 hander in the game with 3 stscks (wich are not uncomon with a 15% proc rate) all that from the first raid tier.... Busted WEP. And "Easy" to get.
Neat Beatz T3 stars is good, but bleh. Adding another piece easily boosts it(I run t5 for ST bosses). Lash of the Void, Gushing Wounds, TD, all of them are insane. Corruptions just retarded
BiS wepon for hunters is Whispering Eldritch Bow. It's good not for the stats, but for unique corruption, that auto-shots reduce cooldown of a random (offensive abilities are preferred) hunter ability by 2 seconds. Which drastically affects rotation. 485 Mythic Nzoth gun is just a stat stick
I’m just trying to think of the thought process of the last weapon. You have this powerful old god giving you weapons of untold power but they apparently want to pack some heat so here’s a gun.
No hunter in their right mind would use that weapon from N’Zoth, it’s the Whispering Erdrich bow from skittra simply because of the unique corruption it offers
i dont understand it either. for legion, he goes off of logs -> windwalker -> artifact weapon. but for bfa he goess off of logs -> hunter -> some random weapon noone uses in the logs at all. why go off of logs in the first place if u dont use them properly lol
@@Gryphuk Going off logs period is a complete waste of time and lacks logic. Other aspects of a class couldve been the reason for someone being top on logs, not their bis weapon, lol. It's just so pointless of a conversation after like Cata...
one of the main reasons for Original Naxx only being raided and cleared by 1% of the guilds was actually TBC was coming out right around the corner, so a lot of guilds basically skipped.
Uh... WOD's Top dps was Arcane mage.... by a MILE... Talking about mythic fights that lasted 12 seconds stacking 18 mages because they could burst 5-6x the damage of any other class in the game. Sub rogue was the next highest but it honestly wasn't even close. Legion was a toss up depending on if the fight was cleave/single target/aoe. I'm wondering where you got your numbers from because most of the information from the more recent expansion is actually just? wrong? Check Warcraftlogs, Fury warrior had the best straight single target in legion, spriest won out in cleave situations (although warlocks were more busted on progression because they could heal 90% of their health bar literally every global while channeling drain soul). This was until the nerf to the content went out through empowering the artifacts (max concordance). but you still didn't see windwalker monks on the top of... literally any fight? The closest they came to being top dps was on Argus where the top dps was beat out by 100,000 dps by a frost mage.
Best burst =/= best dps. Arcane had the best burst over all but not all together dps. Logs dont work well for arcane in WoD purely because the 12 second fights fucking up the curve.
His recent ones are correct. Cata, MoP and WoD are all wrong though. Fury Warrs dominating in MoP, really? WW Monks were top Dps in Antorus, and SPs were a pure downgrade from our Aff Lock brothers except for Kin'Garoth, because that fight could be abused by SP VF timings. Logs where the entire raid is afk so the Fury Warr can abuse the logs with the stacking Execute dmg don't count, neither do really short S2M cheese logs at the end of the expansion. They are not an accurate represenation of how those specs performed in actual combat. Sure, Fury Warrs were still there in the top of the meters, but WW Monks were clearly the most overtuned spec in Antorus, even if they might have been outscaled by BiS gear at the very end of the expansion. WW in Antorus was the perfect example of a spec with poor scaling and bad dmg in the previous raid, so Blizzard just tuned their base numbers through the fucking sky.
I got the LFR version on my second DS run, and had it for most of patch 4.3 until my guild cleared DS about four times and me being the only one in the raid that used two handed weapons I got it by default, that was my favourite time to play as I was our main tank blood dk, and I had full PVP gear, and an Unholy DPS set with gurthalak I could do easily 45-60k dps, good times.
Metagoblin, not true :( Thoridal had around same attack speed on bm hunter as 3.0 speed ranged weapons. Its because quiver was giving you -15% attack speed. The bow was op mainly because steady shots didnt gain from arrows but base weapon dmg. And well, Thoridal adds dmg of arrows to base weapon dmg. And therefore was increasing dmg of steady shot significantly.
Yep, affliction warlocks where the kings of MOP, uncontested imo. They really started to shine in ToT tho. Still best on multi target in T14. In SoO they were just broken.
Kinda feels wierd that he's only looking on the best DPS weapons and then calling the video "The most powerful weapons" Think healing and tanking stuff should be apart of this video. BTW thunderfury is not BIS for DPS is BIS for tanking.
You missed one, the Warglaives of Azzinoth, bein a horde plalyer, the rogues and warriors that used it with tier 2 or 6 respectively are why I NEVER PVP. BC with those weapons were the BANE of classes, pair them with the hunter and that bow, flashbacks again, where's my beer.
In WoD arcane mages were the best dps, they were absolutely fucking broken. Literally videos of mages killing the second boss on mythic in like 10 seconds.
In Wotlk I remember almost every physical dps was stacking armor penetration. Usually to a softcap so that you would hit 100% with a trinket proc. But in ICC you could manage to run around with 100% armor pen all the time which was pretty insane especially for warriors since their rage generation scaled with the stat. So you'd see everybody socket for pure armor pen. But actually if you were really really geared out in ICC heroic gear you could drop some armor pen sockets. Crazy Times blizz kinda fucked up the scaling in that expansion. You could also hit 100% crit with a fire mage, or mages in general I don't remember.
@@TSubYT nope i wasnt, i was referring to the fable music, which played in the video at the time when the fable music was played. which time is that? you might ask? start at 4:05
You forgot the fact that in BC Steady Shot didnt use ammo dps, and since Thoridal didnt use ammo it had more dps than any other ranged weapon using Timeless Arrow (the epic arrow), making its steady shots the most powerful in the game.
during the time it came out it was one of the best PVP weapons for a warrior. 4 sec stun that proc'd all the time with NO DR. i believe in patch 2.3 i think they nerfed the proc rate but it used to be completely OP. even if it technically wasnt the hardest hitting weapon in the game it still should be an honorable mention ofc
Fury warriors were NOT considered bad early WotLk lol. Fury was 1# Dps in BiS t7 gear. They were so OP that they got a flat 10% dmg nerf going into Ulduar. Despite that, they did respectable numbers in Ulduar once they got some gear, and in ToGC and ICC they were obviously back on top again. Also, I have no idea which logs you are looking at, but your "top Dps this expansion" is wrong every time. Combat Rogues, while good in Cata, were beaten by Arms Warriors (wearing Gurthalak as you said), Demo Locks and Fire Mages. Rogues with Legendary weapons could compete, but with regular weapons they had no chance. Fury Warrs were just generally good in MoP. They were compareable to SV Hunters, Combat Rogues and Arcane/Fire Mages. These specs were all quite OP compared to some of the other classes. Problem was, Warlocks were even more OP than these other OP classes, on a level of their own. MoP Warlock is famous for being the "most OP PvE class" of all time, and that includes earlier broken shit from TBC and Classic. Feral Druids were also insane in MoP, but they were a pure ST spec, while Warlocks excelled at everything, ST, 2-target Cleave, Multidotting AND mass AoE. Arcane Mages were completely broken at the end of WoD, not Rogues. Rogues were good in general, but couldn't touch Mages. At least you got Legion right. WW Monks truly were out there. If anything, it sounds like you were looking at logs for the prepatch to the next expansion, so Dragon Soul with full BiS gear with MoP talents, and Siege of Orgrimmar with full BiS gear and WoD talents etc.
It's funny you say you don't want to make a boring list of just two handed weapons. You then proceed to make a boring list of highest dps class/spec. If you are trying to talk about one specific thing (weapons) but constantly refer to other seemingly related things (class,spec) you're more than likely not doing a good job on the first thing.
@9:18 is misleading. Combat Rogues were considered really bad DPS for most of Cataclysm, and only became viable towards the very end when Blizzard completely re-worked blade flurry and gave them an insane amount of buffs. I distinctively remember playing a Rogue in a 25 man guild, and being forced to play Combat for the wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Savage_Combat at my Guild Leader's request. None of the other Rogues wanted anything to do with the spec because of how laughably bad it's DPS was.
for vanilla it's not true that Gressil, Dawn of Ruin (classic.wowhead.com/item=23054/gressil-dawn-of-ruin) is the best weapon 1h, Misplaced Servo Arm was stronger (classic.wowhead.com/item=23221/misplaced-servo-arm) since u can debuff the enemies' nature resistence with Thunderfury's Proc (-25 nature resistence) and with Curse of Elements (-75 nature resistence) and in vanilla when a resistence goes on minus values., that type of damage get some skyrocket multipliers.
best weapon of all times is the Axe Gorehowl! a simple axe that killed all shit for years... from Golmash to Grommash to Garrosh that heirloom of Hellscream Blood line always bring respect and Honour to the family! great deeds that weapon struck in all draenor and azzeroth! an Axe without cheating powers like frostmourne or ashbringer but yet! that weapon was enough to kill the super demons/humans/orcs/....
I don’t get the mop one. Why did you chose Fury warrior? affliction lock was clearing the top DPS on almost every fight. And the ones it didn’t, fury was nowhere to be seen. Also, in MoP, technically the tanks were the top DPS if you really want to go off logs.
Went 2600 in 3s in cata season 11 with 3 dps we had a ret off healing cuz of the 2 set from dragon soul but each of us had a heroic 2 set I think the rogue just used legs we had heroic proc trinks *Vial of Shadows was the one me and rogue used* and heroic deathwing weps *or legendaries for the rogue* Orc Hunter BE Rogue BE Ret the damage and control was too much and nobody expected 3dps to reck shit and it was an odd comp but because of the silences form the BEs and the utility we had it was extremely hard to stop our burst funnest time Ive ever had on wow only compares to when I took over timeless isle
i'm amazed arcane mages weren't #1 for Wotlk. By the end of it they changed mage armor to regen % mana back which was totally busted for BiS mages. It was so busted their rotation strictly became spam arcane blast and nothing else, mages were respecing out of improved arcane missiles as they didn't need it anymore.
dude Oathbinder is much better weapon than Glor or Cryptmaker since its LK25HC weap with armor pen... if you wanna rock as a warr or blood dk, you dump shit like cryptmaker
Sadly you got the TBC weapons wrong, yes weapon speed does matter but the reason why thoridal is so good is cuz of the high weapon damage and it’s scaling with steady shot!
Please stop misusing the term ‘stat stick’. You mean ‘stat’. A ‘stat stick’ is an item you use only for the stats. This is universal across many games.
That steady shot macro is some relic of t4 lol..... from t5 onwards you do a steady steady auto steady auto rotation, which lets slower range weapons out damage the fast weapons. Please do your research before you spread false info
Did he say that the TF procc is a cleave effect "which will multiply your dmg even further?" It's an AoE effect that doenst deal AoE dmg... only on the initial target it deals nature dmg, the rest "only" gets a debuff...
Gudwin technically yes, the corruption proc makes the bow better. Purely based on which ranged item gives better stats etc there might be an argument however the bow should be the number 1
THANK YOU, i came here to comment this exact thing. only hunter spec that wants the gun is MM, which is nowhere near as good as BM in literlly any content ATM.
While you are right about hunters being one of the top DPS for BFA, the gun off of N'zoth isn't the reason for it - off of one of the earlier bosses, Skitra, a bow drops that gives your autoshots the effect of reducing the cooldown of one of your random hunter abilites by 2 seconds. Given that the current 'meta' for beast mastery (the 'main' hunter spec nowadays) is about getting your major abilities (Bestial Wrath, Kill Command, Barbed Shot, etc) off CD asap, this bow just does so much more work for hunters than the raw DPS of the gun - that isn't to say the gun has bad stats, though.
Man I really despise how they gave us the most powerful weapons in Warcraft lore in Legion for free, and now they're completely useless and weaker than greens. I get that this used to happen every expansion, but there's a difference between "Might of Menethil is weaker than Firemaul of Destruction" and "Ashbringer is useless."
Ok, calm down everyone, let's not loose our heads. The original stat stick is the feral druid main hand weapon. Why? Because "back in the day" of vanilla wow feral druid had no spells or abilities that went off weapon damage. Meaning, they could literally have a lvl 1 grey item and still do good damage, they would only be missing the stats. That's all their weapon was used for period. In vanilla wow, every one used their ranged weapons, you had to. Warriors often pulled with their ranged weapons cause charging in instances usually got you killed. And lastly, most ranged weapons didn't have stats on them. As the years went by and expansions dropped, we leveled and got stronger, we didn't need/use ranged weapons as much. Soon, they too became stat sticks. Then, without warning, the WoW God's took them away! Lol. Oh, well.
So the thing about Fury in MOP, there was this particular rotation that we would use to do really high burst dmg and top charts instantly and be there the whole encounter. I believe it went like this, you would charge, cast avatar and reckless and use colossus smash and then storm bolt. BAck then Storm bolt had an affect where if the enemy was immune to stuns it would do x4 dmg on top of the colossus smash allowing any dmg to ignore armor and with reckless and avatar multiplying the dmg even further so at the get go of an encounter fury warriors had their storm bolt crit for like 2 mil sometimes higher.
Didnt appear that you properly researched this. It’s well known that in 3.3.5 Fury warriors needed lots of armor pen.. thats what the red gem sockets would be used on.
dude idk how it was for you but much more people wanted hungering cold than gressil on my server back in the day, also hungering cold is a much better rouge weapon than gressil, for warriors its subjective weather you like hc or gressil more, adn furt warrior min/max is thunder fury and hc
Man you just completely glossed over the proc on the Rogue legendary daggers from Cata. It was absolutely insane in PVP to be able to spam 5 point combo finishers for 6 seconds straight. Nobody could survive that
Actualy as fury endgame all you needed was 3x +34Arp gems from Jc since you were capped from items iff you were BiS,or iff you had a warrior main tank,you could just stack all str gems items gave you 90%arp and constant sunder armor gave you the rest needed.I was doing 34-38k Dps on Lod with that setup.
It depended on your gear. Going over the cap on armor pen was 100% wasted whereas strength is never wasted. IIRC in BIS gear you didn't need that many armor pen gems.
Fang of the pit did not have perfect stats for sub, as you wanted multistrike and crit mainly. Also the skitra bow is still ahead of the nzoth weapon, even with the added ilvl, just because of the corruption effect. Other than that great video !
I remember getting my heroic Bryntroll, the bone arbiter for my DK back in WotLK , immediately qued for pvp and proceed to not die healing myself. Those were the days
Sub rogues were the really good in HFC single target fights, and it wasn't bc of a weapon, it was due to soul soul capacitor and the legendary ring on use effect. but the best damage dealers were mages with the Prismatic Crystal talent.
btw dominion gun is meh the bow with gale force is a HELL of a lot better just saying just cause dominion gun drops at 10 higher ilvl don't mean it beats a bow with a better corruption on it
We raided original Naxx at 70 and it was still challenging. It was kind of like Black Temple where the first bosses are not bad, but there are some real coordination checks for the later bosses. Stuff like Patchwerk and Noth was a joke at 70. Thaddius would still instawipe your raid if someone screwed up their charge, Rasuvious COULD be tanked without the Understudies if your tank was geared out - I tanked it in full BT/Hyjal gear and still almost died after getting hit with Unbalancing Strike. We wiped on 4 horsemen a few times because we hadn't practiced the rotations beforehand. Sapphiron was doable WITHOUT frost resistance but it was still a challenging fight - and you still had to stay out of the Blizzard and get behind the ice blocks or die. KT still required a lot of coordination too although the adds were not nearly as much of a threat. The mind controls WERE still a huge threat.
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Did someome say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?
I had dual heroic Gurthalaks on my fury warrior in Cata... the procs were insane.
Wod Top dps is the Arcane mage because off the manoroth trinked
In wotlk you could easily get 100% armor penetration as a fury warrior wich was the way to go
''Last boss of Kel'Thuzad''
There's so many small and big things that's wrong with this video.
Isn't that correct? What do you mean?
A lot of people refer to raids by their last boss...
funny to see you say nzot h gun was bis but in reality for my bm hunter i needed the bow from prophet skitra for the most output when raiding mythic
Sittin here with sgc, rocking Crul' and Brutal blade feeling like a lvl 1 warrior after seeing this..
I probably would get bored wirh a macro like the Hunter just one button the whole expansion fuck that
DARK EDGE OF INSANITY!!!
I remember this time whe we down the twins with my guild and got the double loot bug, it was the bow and hopefuly i was main hunter at this time.
I couldn't disagree more
@@notbot4525 That's exactly what said our rogue this day when he try a sneaky rand.
3 weapons that didn't hit the list: Bonereaver's Edge, Stormherald and Dragonwrath. Those 3 weapons in their current patch of content were absolutely absurd
This!
BRE isn't that good really, for raid single target at least
Storm herald ...
@@Shatamx Wasn't that good. People just wanted the stun for PvP, but the weapon itself wasn't amazing.
Stormherald was only good for PVP. I raided T5 as our raid's arms warrior and Gorehowl outperformed Stormherald because of Axe spec.
Ah good ole lolmourne
Forgot bonereavers edge... Highest dps 2 hander in the game with 3 stscks (wich are not uncomon with a 15% proc rate) all that from the first raid tier.... Busted WEP. And "Easy" to get.
2h DPS was low anyway, most ran Fury in Naxx. And Might of Menethil was far better for 2h, esp if you were horde.
@@roguewriting PVP? And once again ... BRE Is from rag ... MoM Is kheltuzad.. so a WEP that strong from the first tier.. Is simply op
@@visbaluz a weapon that wasn't better, from T1 raid boss that dropped T2 items.... also video isn't about pvp, and it wasn't even best for that.
DID SOMEONE SAY 3:15?
Wont mention legndaries and then talk about 2 by the time we get to number 5...
You missed the part where he said they would get an honorable mention.
@@Shadowlurkering literally the only weapon he talked about in the TBC section was a legendary
i want hungering cold for my night elf rogue :< The sword of 1000 truths
Stop saying "busted" and "broken", theyre not
You got BFA TOTALLY WRONG. It should’ve said “almost any weapon with a tier 3 corruption” 😂😂😂
No no, tier three infinite stars. 😂😂
Neat Beatz T3 stars is good, but bleh. Adding another piece easily boosts it(I run t5 for ST bosses). Lash of the Void, Gushing Wounds, TD, all of them are insane. Corruptions just retarded
Jibberish to me retail is just a bunch of flashing lights.
BiS wepon for hunters is Whispering Eldritch Bow. It's good not for the stats, but for unique corruption, that auto-shots reduce cooldown of a random (offensive abilities are preferred) hunter ability by 2 seconds. Which drastically affects rotation. 485 Mythic Nzoth gun is just a stat stick
Artur Aliev BM hunters are also 3 buttons. Most retard friendly class in the game
I’m just trying to think of the thought process of the last weapon. You have this powerful old god giving you weapons of untold power but they apparently want to pack some heat so here’s a gun.
No hunter in their right mind would use that weapon from N’Zoth, it’s the Whispering Erdrich bow from skittra simply because of the unique corruption it offers
i dont understand it either. for legion, he goes off of logs -> windwalker -> artifact weapon. but for bfa he goess off of logs -> hunter -> some random weapon noone uses in the logs at all. why go off of logs in the first place if u dont use them properly lol
@@Gryphuk Going off logs period is a complete waste of time and lacks logic. Other aspects of a class couldve been the reason for someone being top on logs, not their bis weapon, lol. It's just so pointless of a conversation after like Cata...
one of the main reasons for Original Naxx only being raided and cleared by 1% of the guilds was actually TBC was coming out right around the corner, so a lot of guilds basically skipped.
Yo I noticed you were using music from Fable, has been feeling all kinds of nostalgic.
Shadowmourne was absolutely hilarious in battlegrounds.
man i remember running around on my Blood DK with shadowmourne with 100% armor pen i could 1 hit warrior tanks
It is still useful for timewalking and was amazing in Korrak's revenge.
@@archvaldor yeah but i really hope i get to wield it again in WOTLK if we ever get a wotlk classic server also nice gold exploits
Bobis32 Commentary i remember i sold my shadowmourne for 50g at a vendor
Bobis32 Commentary stop bully war tank 😭
Uh... WOD's Top dps was Arcane mage.... by a MILE... Talking about mythic fights that lasted 12 seconds stacking 18 mages because they could burst 5-6x the damage of any other class in the game. Sub rogue was the next highest but it honestly wasn't even close. Legion was a toss up depending on if the fight was cleave/single target/aoe. I'm wondering where you got your numbers from because most of the information from the more recent expansion is actually just? wrong? Check Warcraftlogs, Fury warrior had the best straight single target in legion, spriest won out in cleave situations (although warlocks were more busted on progression because they could heal 90% of their health bar literally every global while channeling drain soul). This was until the nerf to the content went out through empowering the artifacts (max concordance). but you still didn't see windwalker monks on the top of... literally any fight? The closest they came to being top dps was on Argus where the top dps was beat out by 100,000 dps by a frost mage.
Iirc though didn't WW have the potential to be the highest DPS class in the game but also had one of the hardest set ups for it?
Best burst =/= best dps. Arcane had the best burst over all but not all together dps. Logs dont work well for arcane in WoD purely because the 12 second fights fucking up the curve.
His recent ones are correct. Cata, MoP and WoD are all wrong though. Fury Warrs dominating in MoP, really?
WW Monks were top Dps in Antorus, and SPs were a pure downgrade from our Aff Lock brothers except for Kin'Garoth, because that fight could be abused by SP VF timings. Logs where the entire raid is afk so the Fury Warr can abuse the logs with the stacking Execute dmg don't count, neither do really short S2M cheese logs at the end of the expansion. They are not an accurate represenation of how those specs performed in actual combat. Sure, Fury Warrs were still there in the top of the meters, but WW Monks were clearly the most overtuned spec in Antorus, even if they might have been outscaled by BiS gear at the very end of the expansion.
WW in Antorus was the perfect example of a spec with poor scaling and bad dmg in the previous raid, so Blizzard just tuned their base numbers through the fucking sky.
You know a weapon is good when you remember it by name over a decade later.
Gurthalak also scaled wildly with Unholy death knight mastery, I remember in PVP it would do easily 12-15k per tick, which was a substantial amount.
Even the LFR version was insane if you weren’t lucky enough to get it normally
I got the LFR version on my second DS run, and had it for most of patch 4.3 until my guild cleared DS about four times and me being the only one in the raid that used two handed weapons I got it by default, that was my favourite time to play as I was our main tank blood dk, and I had full PVP gear, and an Unholy DPS set with gurthalak I could do easily 45-60k dps, good times.
The heroic version was pants on head nuts. The tentacles were perfectly capable of mowing people down by themselves.
that gun look compared to all the others says a lot about the evolution of the game
Hahah Fable background music on burning crusade expansion video. You bring up my childhood on many levels at the same time.
"im not gonna mention legendary weapons" proceeds to mention legendary weapons
he literally said he would only mention them as honorable mentions, after mentioning other weapons
Funny how the last two expansions were shortest in terms of cool weapons 🤔
Metagoblin, not true :( Thoridal had around same attack speed on bm hunter as 3.0 speed ranged weapons. Its because quiver was giving you -15% attack speed. The bow was op mainly because steady shots didnt gain from arrows but base weapon dmg. And well, Thoridal adds dmg of arrows to base weapon dmg. And therefore was increasing dmg of steady shot significantly.
Best DPS during MOP was Affliction warlock by a very large margin, where did you pull these facts?
Raid logs
@@MetaGoblin So you didnt raid in Siege of Orgrimar?
have to second this. aff lock was insane with that cast while moving talent.
@@MetaGoblin www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/5#difficulty=4&class=DPS seems like there's a bit more locks than warriors, ehh ?
Yep, affliction warlocks where the kings of MOP, uncontested imo. They really started to shine in ToT tho. Still best on multi target in T14. In SoO they were just broken.
Kinda feels wierd that he's only looking on the best DPS weapons and then calling the video "The most powerful weapons" Think healing and tanking stuff should be apart of this video. BTW thunderfury is not BIS for DPS is BIS for tanking.
You missed one, the Warglaives of Azzinoth, bein a horde plalyer, the rogues and warriors that used it with tier 2 or 6 respectively are why I NEVER PVP. BC with those weapons were the BANE of classes, pair them with the hunter and that bow, flashbacks again, where's my beer.
Well the bow legendary was stronger than war glaves of azzinoth since the bow was the one that dropped from the last raid
In WoD arcane mages were the best dps, they were absolutely fucking broken. Literally videos of mages killing the second boss on mythic in like 10 seconds.
Can you link? Couldnt find any
@@pewpew4950 ruclips.net/video/YAmlSjYpnRU/видео.html wasn't hard to find
Best burst =/= best dps. Logs are fucked because of the 10 second kills screwing with the averages.
In Wotlk I remember almost every physical dps was stacking armor penetration. Usually to a softcap so that you would hit 100% with a trinket proc. But in ICC you could manage to run around with 100% armor pen all the time which was pretty insane especially for warriors since their rage generation scaled with the stat. So you'd see everybody socket for pure armor pen. But actually if you were really really geared out in ICC heroic gear you could drop some armor pen sockets. Crazy Times blizz kinda fucked up the scaling in that expansion. You could also hit 100% crit with a fire mage, or mages in general I don't remember.
That fable music in the background is bringing back so many memories 💔
Pretty sure that music is from Elder Scrolls Oblivion? at least the music in the beginning is
It's from Fable The Lost Chapters
Oblivion
oh man, the fable music in the background just gave me a severe case of nostalgia
I thought i was crazy yeah i heard the beauty too
Pretty sure the intro music is from Oblivion if thats what you were referencing :D
@@TSubYT nope i wasnt, i was referring to the fable music, which played in the video at the time when the fable music was played. which time is that? you might ask? start at 4:05
4:30 fable 1 soundtrack
Noticed it right away as well
You forgot the fact that in BC Steady Shot didnt use ammo dps, and since Thoridal didnt use ammo it had more dps than any other ranged weapon using Timeless Arrow (the epic arrow), making its steady shots the most powerful in the game.
I still remember back in the day Saw so this one guy with the Legendary bow pulling in Swp 4k dps wich was insane back then
Dracony same. My buddy was the Glavie rogue and they had epic dps duels. Hunter always won though.
Technically bloodfall from ICC averages the most dps, not more than the 288 but def better than shitmaker lol
no mention of stunherald in tbc? rip
Because that wasn't anywhere near the most powerful weapon of the expansion?
during the time it came out it was one of the best PVP weapons for a warrior. 4 sec stun that proc'd all the time with NO DR. i believe in patch 2.3 i think they nerfed the proc rate but it used to be completely OP. even if it technically wasnt the hardest hitting weapon in the game it still should be an honorable mention ofc
@@bathsalts666 still not the most powerful weapon of the expansion, and this video has zero to do with pvp
Fury warriors were NOT considered bad early WotLk lol. Fury was 1# Dps in BiS t7 gear. They were so OP that they got a flat 10% dmg nerf going into Ulduar.
Despite that, they did respectable numbers in Ulduar once they got some gear, and in ToGC and ICC they were obviously back on top again.
Also, I have no idea which logs you are looking at, but your "top Dps this expansion" is wrong every time.
Combat Rogues, while good in Cata, were beaten by Arms Warriors (wearing Gurthalak as you said), Demo Locks and Fire Mages. Rogues with Legendary weapons could compete, but with regular weapons they had no chance.
Fury Warrs were just generally good in MoP. They were compareable to SV Hunters, Combat Rogues and Arcane/Fire Mages. These specs were all quite OP compared to some of the other classes.
Problem was, Warlocks were even more OP than these other OP classes, on a level of their own. MoP Warlock is famous for being the "most OP PvE class" of all time, and that includes earlier broken shit from TBC and Classic. Feral Druids were also insane in MoP, but they were a pure ST spec, while Warlocks excelled at everything, ST, 2-target Cleave, Multidotting AND mass AoE.
Arcane Mages were completely broken at the end of WoD, not Rogues. Rogues were good in general, but couldn't touch Mages.
At least you got Legion right. WW Monks truly were out there.
If anything, it sounds like you were looking at logs for the prepatch to the next expansion, so Dragon Soul with full BiS gear with MoP talents, and Siege of Orgrimmar with full BiS gear and WoD talents etc.
It's funny you say you don't want to make a boring list of just two handed weapons. You then proceed to make a boring list of highest dps class/spec. If you are trying to talk about one specific thing (weapons) but constantly refer to other seemingly related things (class,spec) you're more than likely not doing a good job on the first thing.
@9:18 is misleading. Combat Rogues were considered really bad DPS for most of Cataclysm, and only became viable towards the very end when Blizzard completely re-worked blade flurry and gave them an insane amount of buffs. I distinctively remember playing a Rogue in a 25 man guild, and being forced to play Combat for the wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Savage_Combat at my Guild Leader's request. None of the other Rogues wanted anything to do with the spec because of how laughably bad it's DPS was.
12:12 "subblety rogue" lmfao
Sub rogue was a beast in wod and sadly the last time rogue required a brain to operate
john boutah clearly you didn’t play with a good mate. Arcane mages would dump on a rouge
for vanilla it's not true that Gressil, Dawn of Ruin (classic.wowhead.com/item=23054/gressil-dawn-of-ruin) is the best weapon 1h, Misplaced Servo Arm was stronger (classic.wowhead.com/item=23221/misplaced-servo-arm) since u can debuff the enemies' nature resistence with Thunderfury's Proc (-25 nature resistence) and with Curse of Elements (-75 nature resistence) and in vanilla when a resistence goes on minus values., that type of damage get some skyrocket multipliers.
best weapon of all times is the Axe Gorehowl! a simple axe that killed all shit for years... from Golmash to Grommash to Garrosh that heirloom of Hellscream Blood line always bring respect and Honour to the family! great deeds that weapon struck in all draenor and azzeroth! an Axe without cheating powers like frostmourne or ashbringer but yet! that weapon was enough to kill the super demons/humans/orcs/....
I don’t get the mop one. Why did you chose Fury warrior? affliction lock was clearing the top DPS on almost every fight. And the ones it didn’t, fury was nowhere to be seen. Also, in MoP, technically the tanks were the top DPS if you really want to go off logs.
Shadowsingh=most powerful weapon
Went 2600 in 3s in cata season 11 with 3 dps we had a ret off healing cuz of the 2 set from dragon soul but each of us had a heroic 2 set I think the rogue just used legs we had heroic proc trinks *Vial of Shadows was the one me and rogue used* and heroic deathwing weps *or legendaries for the rogue* Orc Hunter BE Rogue BE Ret the damage and control was too much and nobody expected 3dps to reck shit and it was an odd comp but because of the silences form the BEs and the utility we had it was extremely hard to stop our burst funnest time Ive ever had on wow only compares to when I took over timeless isle
Thunderfury was definitely my best tanking weapon of all time. Super hard to get and required extreme luck. But it was fucking pimp mode.
i'm amazed arcane mages weren't #1 for Wotlk. By the end of it they changed mage armor to regen % mana back which was totally busted for BiS mages. It was so busted their rotation strictly became spam arcane blast and nothing else, mages were respecing out of improved arcane missiles as they didn't need it anymore.
dude Oathbinder is much better weapon than Glor or Cryptmaker since its LK25HC weap with armor pen... if you wanna rock as a warr or blood dk, you dump shit like cryptmaker
Thunderfury its not a AOE effect only the 20% wep slow is. Not the 300 damage sadly.
The South Park sword is now called Slayer of the Lifeless in retail. Because in South Park it was used to kill "that which has no life".
Sadly you got the TBC weapons wrong, yes weapon speed does matter but the reason why thoridal is so good is cuz of the high weapon damage and it’s scaling with steady shot!
Feral druid was highest dps in MoP SoO population of feral druid was just very small especially ones that played at the highest level
TBC and WotLK was so wrong, it almost proves that you never played at top end of the game back in the time.
You should pay attention to how often you say "ridiculous" or "ridiculously" :'D
Please stop misusing the term ‘stat stick’. You mean ‘stat’. A ‘stat stick’ is an item you use only for the stats. This is universal across many games.
13:58 haha, I second that :)
Pretty sure that the skitra bow is better than the gun by a huge amount. The gun is just higher iLvl, but the bow is used by top hunters in the world.
Ya really gotta take corruption into account w the last weapon that pick is suspect
Is the fable the lost chapters soundtrack in the background?
That steady shot macro is some relic of t4 lol..... from t5 onwards you do a steady steady auto steady auto rotation, which lets slower range weapons out damage the fast weapons. Please do your research before you spread false info
in pandaria best class dps was destro lock and survival hunter or BM hunter! not warriors
Did he say that the TF procc is a cleave effect "which will multiply your dmg even further?"
It's an AoE effect that doenst deal AoE dmg... only on the initial target it deals nature dmg, the rest "only" gets a debuff...
Not to mention that TF afaik is NOT the best DPS Weapon.
in cata warriors was destroying in deathwing raid , only assassin rogue with legendary daggers was close enough
13:25 WHISPERING ELDRITCH BOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not the gun.
Gudwin technically yes, the corruption proc makes the bow better. Purely based on which ranged item gives better stats etc there might be an argument however the bow should be the number 1
The bow off skitra is a bigger damage increase for hunters than the gun because of its corruption effect
THANK YOU, i came here to comment this exact thing. only hunter spec that wants the gun is MM, which is nowhere near as good as BM in literlly any content ATM.
you can get the exact corruption on that gun
@@turkviktor except you cant its exclusive to the bow
@@Randalfirenope i've been on several hc nzothts and it dropped for at least 1 hunter
@@turkviktor I'm not saying u cant get a corrupted gun I'm saying the gun cant get the corruption exclusive to the bow from skitra
Is that music from fable the lost chapters ? or am i wrong i loved that game
"the last boss of kel'thazad" dont you mean the last boss of naxx, Kel'thazad
Twin Blades Of Azzinoth was one of the greatest weapon back in TBC.
Belgutei Boldbaatar yea but that Bow was so dumb.
Illidan didn't end up being the last raid of the expansion, so he don't get the spot... disappointing, sort of like Atiesh in a way...
pretty sure arcane mages did the most dps in wod by insane amounts
Did he just say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]!?!?
#353rd
fuck these weapons, spiritmourne all the way baby lol
wrath most op weapon aside from Smourne?? DBW :)
While you are right about hunters being one of the top DPS for BFA, the gun off of N'zoth isn't the reason for it - off of one of the earlier bosses, Skitra, a bow drops that gives your autoshots the effect of reducing the cooldown of one of your random hunter abilites by 2 seconds. Given that the current 'meta' for beast mastery (the 'main' hunter spec nowadays) is about getting your major abilities (Bestial Wrath, Kill Command, Barbed Shot, etc) off CD asap, this bow just does so much more work for hunters than the raw DPS of the gun - that isn't to say the gun has bad stats, though.
Man I really despise how they gave us the most powerful weapons in Warcraft lore in Legion for free, and now they're completely useless and weaker than greens. I get that this used to happen every expansion, but there's a difference between "Might of Menethil is weaker than Firemaul of Destruction" and "Ashbringer is useless."
Ok, calm down everyone, let's not loose our heads. The original stat stick is the feral druid main hand weapon. Why? Because "back in the day" of vanilla wow feral druid had no spells or abilities that went off weapon damage. Meaning, they could literally have a lvl 1 grey item and still do good damage, they would only be missing the stats. That's all their weapon was used for period. In vanilla wow, every one used their ranged weapons, you had to. Warriors often pulled with their ranged weapons cause charging in instances usually got you killed. And lastly, most ranged weapons didn't have stats on them. As the years went by and expansions dropped, we leveled and got stronger, we didn't need/use ranged weapons as much. Soon, they too became stat sticks. Then, without warning, the WoW God's took them away! Lol. Oh, well.
So the thing about Fury in MOP, there was this particular rotation that we would use to do really high burst dmg and top charts instantly and be there the whole encounter. I believe it went like this, you would charge, cast avatar and reckless and use colossus smash and then storm bolt. BAck then Storm bolt had an affect where if the enemy was immune to stuns it would do x4 dmg on top of the colossus smash allowing any dmg to ignore armor and with reckless and avatar multiplying the dmg even further so at the get go of an encounter fury warriors had their storm bolt crit for like 2 mil sometimes higher.
Didnt appear that you properly researched this. It’s well known that in 3.3.5 Fury warriors needed lots of armor pen.. thats what the red gem sockets would be used on.
he said he couldn't remember /shrug
My guild mate got Get'tiku from plus 15 chest with rank 3 Twilight devastation. That could also be most OP weapon for warriors, DK's and ret pallys
dude idk how it was for you but much more people wanted hungering cold than gressil on my server back in the day, also hungering cold is a much better rouge weapon than gressil, for warriors its subjective weather you like hc or gressil more, adn furt warrior min/max is thunder fury and hc
That Fable music in the background 😭😭
Savith I was thinking the same thing😩
Man you just completely glossed over the proc on the Rogue legendary daggers from Cata. It was absolutely insane in PVP to be able to spam 5 point combo finishers for 6 seconds straight. Nobody could survive that
Red gems in Wrath was armor pen. I remember back to when I switched all my str gems to armor pen and I surged ahead in DPS. It was insane.
Actualy as fury endgame all you needed was 3x +34Arp gems from Jc since you were capped from items iff you were BiS,or iff you had a warrior main tank,you could just stack all str gems items gave you 90%arp and constant sunder armor gave you the rest needed.I was doing 34-38k Dps on Lod with that setup.
It depended on your gear. Going over the cap on armor pen was 100% wasted whereas strength is never wasted. IIRC in BIS gear you didn't need that many armor pen gems.
Fang of the pit did not have perfect stats for sub, as you wanted multistrike and crit mainly.
Also the skitra bow is still ahead of the nzoth weapon, even with the added ilvl, just because of the corruption effect.
Other than that great video !
I play BM in BFA and i got heroic version (470 ilvl) of Dominion with t2 twilight devastation from weekly event to clear 4 mythic0 dungeons lol.
I remember getting my heroic Bryntroll, the bone arbiter for my DK back in WotLK , immediately qued for pvp and proceed to not die healing myself. Those were the days
Sub rogues were the really good in HFC single target fights, and it wasn't bc of a weapon, it was due to soul soul capacitor and the legendary ring on use effect. but the best damage dealers were mages with the Prismatic Crystal talent.
btw dominion gun is meh the bow with gale force is a HELL of a lot better just saying just cause dominion gun drops at 10 higher ilvl don't mean it beats a bow with a better corruption on it
why you didn't included the legendary cloack from mop?
isnt weapon but to says rogur cata legendary was last real legendary,which was false
0:24 KLINDAAAA !!! the legend himself
WotLK will be Shadowmourne I bet.
Love the Fable Soundtrack. Respect
Rogue with legendary daggers critting for 50k in opener was fun or arcane mage with legendary staff arcane blasting your face with 50k was fun too
Well... the raid itself probably isn't hard. People were just shite back in Vanilla.
(In reference to Kel'thuzad.)
We raided original Naxx at 70 and it was still challenging. It was kind of like Black Temple where the first bosses are not bad, but there are some real coordination checks for the later bosses. Stuff like Patchwerk and Noth was a joke at 70. Thaddius would still instawipe your raid if someone screwed up their charge, Rasuvious COULD be tanked without the Understudies if your tank was geared out - I tanked it in full BT/Hyjal gear and still almost died after getting hit with Unbalancing Strike. We wiped on 4 horsemen a few times because we hadn't practiced the rotations beforehand. Sapphiron was doable WITHOUT frost resistance but it was still a challenging fight - and you still had to stay out of the Blizzard and get behind the ice blocks or die. KT still required a lot of coordination too although the adds were not nearly as much of a threat. The mind controls WERE still a huge threat.
@@danlorett2184 Yes but these mechanics really aren't that difficult when you compare them to modern WoW's raid mechanics.