one of the main reasons for Original Naxx only being raided and cleared by 1% of the guilds was actually TBC was coming out right around the corner, so a lot of guilds basically skipped.
Neat Beatz T3 stars is good, but bleh. Adding another piece easily boosts it(I run t5 for ST bosses). Lash of the Void, Gushing Wounds, TD, all of them are insane. Corruptions just retarded
BiS wepon for hunters is Whispering Eldritch Bow. It's good not for the stats, but for unique corruption, that auto-shots reduce cooldown of a random (offensive abilities are preferred) hunter ability by 2 seconds. Which drastically affects rotation. 485 Mythic Nzoth gun is just a stat stick
No hunter in their right mind would use that weapon from N’Zoth, it’s the Whispering Erdrich bow from skittra simply because of the unique corruption it offers
i dont understand it either. for legion, he goes off of logs -> windwalker -> artifact weapon. but for bfa he goess off of logs -> hunter -> some random weapon noone uses in the logs at all. why go off of logs in the first place if u dont use them properly lol
@@Gryphuk Going off logs period is a complete waste of time and lacks logic. Other aspects of a class couldve been the reason for someone being top on logs, not their bis weapon, lol. It's just so pointless of a conversation after like Cata...
I’m just trying to think of the thought process of the last weapon. You have this powerful old god giving you weapons of untold power but they apparently want to pack some heat so here’s a gun.
I got the LFR version on my second DS run, and had it for most of patch 4.3 until my guild cleared DS about four times and me being the only one in the raid that used two handed weapons I got it by default, that was my favourite time to play as I was our main tank blood dk, and I had full PVP gear, and an Unholy DPS set with gurthalak I could do easily 45-60k dps, good times.
Yep, affliction warlocks where the kings of MOP, uncontested imo. They really started to shine in ToT tho. Still best on multi target in T14. In SoO they were just broken.
In Wotlk I remember almost every physical dps was stacking armor penetration. Usually to a softcap so that you would hit 100% with a trinket proc. But in ICC you could manage to run around with 100% armor pen all the time which was pretty insane especially for warriors since their rage generation scaled with the stat. So you'd see everybody socket for pure armor pen. But actually if you were really really geared out in ICC heroic gear you could drop some armor pen sockets. Crazy Times blizz kinda fucked up the scaling in that expansion. You could also hit 100% crit with a fire mage, or mages in general I don't remember.
Uh... WOD's Top dps was Arcane mage.... by a MILE... Talking about mythic fights that lasted 12 seconds stacking 18 mages because they could burst 5-6x the damage of any other class in the game. Sub rogue was the next highest but it honestly wasn't even close. Legion was a toss up depending on if the fight was cleave/single target/aoe. I'm wondering where you got your numbers from because most of the information from the more recent expansion is actually just? wrong? Check Warcraftlogs, Fury warrior had the best straight single target in legion, spriest won out in cleave situations (although warlocks were more busted on progression because they could heal 90% of their health bar literally every global while channeling drain soul). This was until the nerf to the content went out through empowering the artifacts (max concordance). but you still didn't see windwalker monks on the top of... literally any fight? The closest they came to being top dps was on Argus where the top dps was beat out by 100,000 dps by a frost mage.
Best burst =/= best dps. Arcane had the best burst over all but not all together dps. Logs dont work well for arcane in WoD purely because the 12 second fights fucking up the curve.
His recent ones are correct. Cata, MoP and WoD are all wrong though. Fury Warrs dominating in MoP, really? WW Monks were top Dps in Antorus, and SPs were a pure downgrade from our Aff Lock brothers except for Kin'Garoth, because that fight could be abused by SP VF timings. Logs where the entire raid is afk so the Fury Warr can abuse the logs with the stacking Execute dmg don't count, neither do really short S2M cheese logs at the end of the expansion. They are not an accurate represenation of how those specs performed in actual combat. Sure, Fury Warrs were still there in the top of the meters, but WW Monks were clearly the most overtuned spec in Antorus, even if they might have been outscaled by BiS gear at the very end of the expansion. WW in Antorus was the perfect example of a spec with poor scaling and bad dmg in the previous raid, so Blizzard just tuned their base numbers through the fucking sky.
You forgot the fact that in BC Steady Shot didnt use ammo dps, and since Thoridal didnt use ammo it had more dps than any other ranged weapon using Timeless Arrow (the epic arrow), making its steady shots the most powerful in the game.
@@TSubYT nope i wasnt, i was referring to the fable music, which played in the video at the time when the fable music was played. which time is that? you might ask? start at 4:05
@9:18 is misleading. Combat Rogues were considered really bad DPS for most of Cataclysm, and only became viable towards the very end when Blizzard completely re-worked blade flurry and gave them an insane amount of buffs. I distinctively remember playing a Rogue in a 25 man guild, and being forced to play Combat for the wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Savage_Combat at my Guild Leader's request. None of the other Rogues wanted anything to do with the spec because of how laughably bad it's DPS was.
While you are right about hunters being one of the top DPS for BFA, the gun off of N'zoth isn't the reason for it - off of one of the earlier bosses, Skitra, a bow drops that gives your autoshots the effect of reducing the cooldown of one of your random hunter abilites by 2 seconds. Given that the current 'meta' for beast mastery (the 'main' hunter spec nowadays) is about getting your major abilities (Bestial Wrath, Kill Command, Barbed Shot, etc) off CD asap, this bow just does so much more work for hunters than the raw DPS of the gun - that isn't to say the gun has bad stats, though.
So the thing about Fury in MOP, there was this particular rotation that we would use to do really high burst dmg and top charts instantly and be there the whole encounter. I believe it went like this, you would charge, cast avatar and reckless and use colossus smash and then storm bolt. BAck then Storm bolt had an affect where if the enemy was immune to stuns it would do x4 dmg on top of the colossus smash allowing any dmg to ignore armor and with reckless and avatar multiplying the dmg even further so at the get go of an encounter fury warriors had their storm bolt crit for like 2 mil sometimes higher.
You missed one, the Warglaives of Azzinoth, bein a horde plalyer, the rogues and warriors that used it with tier 2 or 6 respectively are why I NEVER PVP. BC with those weapons were the BANE of classes, pair them with the hunter and that bow, flashbacks again, where's my beer.
Metagoblin, not true :( Thoridal had around same attack speed on bm hunter as 3.0 speed ranged weapons. Its because quiver was giving you -15% attack speed. The bow was op mainly because steady shots didnt gain from arrows but base weapon dmg. And well, Thoridal adds dmg of arrows to base weapon dmg. And therefore was increasing dmg of steady shot significantly.
THANK YOU, i came here to comment this exact thing. only hunter spec that wants the gun is MM, which is nowhere near as good as BM in literlly any content ATM.
Actualy as fury endgame all you needed was 3x +34Arp gems from Jc since you were capped from items iff you were BiS,or iff you had a warrior main tank,you could just stack all str gems items gave you 90%arp and constant sunder armor gave you the rest needed.I was doing 34-38k Dps on Lod with that setup.
It depended on your gear. Going over the cap on armor pen was 100% wasted whereas strength is never wasted. IIRC in BIS gear you didn't need that many armor pen gems.
I remember getting my heroic Bryntroll, the bone arbiter for my DK back in WotLK , immediately qued for pvp and proceed to not die healing myself. Those were the days
I'm pretty sure the main reason that 99% of raiding guilds weren't doing full Naxx clears was that TBC was only 3-months away. It seems rational to avoid 3-months of sweat only to be reduced to a lowbie so quickly.
Nope. Naxx gear lasted almost until level 70 for the most part. I remember my Dreadnaught legs (warrior T3 legs) were better than the T4 tank legs. My alt with BWL gear didn't replace most of it until after level 65. And some of the trinkets would last until you literally got a level 70 epic to replace them (IIRC Slayer's Crest and some of the other Sapphiron trinkets).
during the time it came out it was one of the best PVP weapons for a warrior. 4 sec stun that proc'd all the time with NO DR. i believe in patch 2.3 i think they nerfed the proc rate but it used to be completely OP. even if it technically wasnt the hardest hitting weapon in the game it still should be an honorable mention ofc
I don’t get the mop one. Why did you chose Fury warrior? affliction lock was clearing the top DPS on almost every fight. And the ones it didn’t, fury was nowhere to be seen. Also, in MoP, technically the tanks were the top DPS if you really want to go off logs.
Man you just completely glossed over the proc on the Rogue legendary daggers from Cata. It was absolutely insane in PVP to be able to spam 5 point combo finishers for 6 seconds straight. Nobody could survive that
Didnt appear that you properly researched this. It’s well known that in 3.3.5 Fury warriors needed lots of armor pen.. thats what the red gem sockets would be used on.
In WoD arcane mages were the best dps, they were absolutely fucking broken. Literally videos of mages killing the second boss on mythic in like 10 seconds.
Did he say that the TF procc is a cleave effect "which will multiply your dmg even further?" It's an AoE effect that doenst deal AoE dmg... only on the initial target it deals nature dmg, the rest "only" gets a debuff...
Sadly you got the TBC weapons wrong, yes weapon speed does matter but the reason why thoridal is so good is cuz of the high weapon damage and it’s scaling with steady shot!
i'm amazed arcane mages weren't #1 for Wotlk. By the end of it they changed mage armor to regen % mana back which was totally busted for BiS mages. It was so busted their rotation strictly became spam arcane blast and nothing else, mages were respecing out of improved arcane missiles as they didn't need it anymore.
Sub rogues were the really good in HFC single target fights, and it wasn't bc of a weapon, it was due to soul soul capacitor and the legendary ring on use effect. but the best damage dealers were mages with the Prismatic Crystal talent.
casters scale with all the +spell power in gear and skills levels, as a fury warrior my dps get BIG upgrades with new weapons instead of stacking atk power or crit in gear, also skill level dont do much
@@denispeda you say skill has nothing to do with a casters dps your dead wrong Mages once they can move to fire spec in ZG/AQ you need alot more skill to reach the best possible dps as you have to weave CoC fireblast scorch and pyroblast to max out your dps well and fireball. Knowing how to weave spells even in just MC can boost your dps by about 200 i say this as i beat 3 or 4 better geared mages in my raid and they beat me by about 100SP
for vanilla it's not true that Gressil, Dawn of Ruin (classic.wowhead.com/item=23054/gressil-dawn-of-ruin) is the best weapon 1h, Misplaced Servo Arm was stronger (classic.wowhead.com/item=23221/misplaced-servo-arm) since u can debuff the enemies' nature resistence with Thunderfury's Proc (-25 nature resistence) and with Curse of Elements (-75 nature resistence) and in vanilla when a resistence goes on minus values., that type of damage get some skyrocket multipliers.
Fury warriors were NOT considered bad early WotLk lol. Fury was 1# Dps in BiS t7 gear. They were so OP that they got a flat 10% dmg nerf going into Ulduar. Despite that, they did respectable numbers in Ulduar once they got some gear, and in ToGC and ICC they were obviously back on top again. Also, I have no idea which logs you are looking at, but your "top Dps this expansion" is wrong every time. Combat Rogues, while good in Cata, were beaten by Arms Warriors (wearing Gurthalak as you said), Demo Locks and Fire Mages. Rogues with Legendary weapons could compete, but with regular weapons they had no chance. Fury Warrs were just generally good in MoP. They were compareable to SV Hunters, Combat Rogues and Arcane/Fire Mages. These specs were all quite OP compared to some of the other classes. Problem was, Warlocks were even more OP than these other OP classes, on a level of their own. MoP Warlock is famous for being the "most OP PvE class" of all time, and that includes earlier broken shit from TBC and Classic. Feral Druids were also insane in MoP, but they were a pure ST spec, while Warlocks excelled at everything, ST, 2-target Cleave, Multidotting AND mass AoE. Arcane Mages were completely broken at the end of WoD, not Rogues. Rogues were good in general, but couldn't touch Mages. At least you got Legion right. WW Monks truly were out there. If anything, it sounds like you were looking at logs for the prepatch to the next expansion, so Dragon Soul with full BiS gear with MoP talents, and Siege of Orgrimmar with full BiS gear and WoD talents etc.
Why would warriors use a fast off hand when whirlwind benefits from the off hands damage as well making slow dual wield better . But I didn’t play vanilla only tbc . And in tbc the best weapon for warriors war MH glaive and OH mounting vengeance
For a long time warriors had a fury talent that gave them a 40% chance to gain 1 rage when they hit with a melee attack. Back then none of your abilities used your offhand weapon damage - just your mainhand. So the speed of your offhand didn't affect your Bloodthirst, WW, Heroic Strike, Cleave, or executes. Only your autoattacks mattered, so weapon speed didn't really effect your offhand dps. A faster offhand would generate more rage from Unbridled Wrath, though.
Went 2600 in 3s in cata season 11 with 3 dps we had a ret off healing cuz of the 2 set from dragon soul but each of us had a heroic 2 set I think the rogue just used legs we had heroic proc trinks *Vial of Shadows was the one me and rogue used* and heroic deathwing weps *or legendaries for the rogue* Orc Hunter BE Rogue BE Ret the damage and control was too much and nobody expected 3dps to reck shit and it was an odd comp but because of the silences form the BEs and the utility we had it was extremely hard to stop our burst funnest time Ive ever had on wow only compares to when I took over timeless isle
Most busted weapon isnt necessarily the one which the top dps of the expansion uses. Just because the class itself is busted, doesnt mean that the weapon they used were the best.
Fang of the pit did not have perfect stats for sub, as you wanted multistrike and crit mainly. Also the skitra bow is still ahead of the nzoth weapon, even with the added ilvl, just because of the corruption effect. Other than that great video !
Arms in t11. Fury in t12 (because Arms got nerfed after being too OP in t11), Arms again in t13 (because Fury got nerfed after being OP in t12). Arcane was only good in t11 BiS gear (with the trinket from Sinestra) and t12. Once they broke the trinket, Mages dropped hard, and they went Fire once they got the t13 4-set bonus. MM was the go-to Hunter spec in T11 and t12, and then SV in t13 (huge flat dmg buffs to SV going into 4.3). Hunters were always 2#. Top tier all expansion, but there was always one or two specs better than them. Ofc, Shadow Priests would dominate them all on any fight with more than 1 target, because of absolutely broken multidotting. Anybody who complains about current multidotting in retail, obivously didn't play during Cata (Shadow Priests) or MoP (Warlocks).
btw dominion gun is meh the bow with gale force is a HELL of a lot better just saying just cause dominion gun drops at 10 higher ilvl don't mean it beats a bow with a better corruption on it
Man I really despise how they gave us the most powerful weapons in Warcraft lore in Legion for free, and now they're completely useless and weaker than greens. I get that this used to happen every expansion, but there's a difference between "Might of Menethil is weaker than Firemaul of Destruction" and "Ashbringer is useless."
dude idk how it was for you but much more people wanted hungering cold than gressil on my server back in the day, also hungering cold is a much better rouge weapon than gressil, for warriors its subjective weather you like hc or gressil more, adn furt warrior min/max is thunder fury and hc
Gudwin technically yes, the corruption proc makes the bow better. Purely based on which ranged item gives better stats etc there might be an argument however the bow should be the number 1
Ok, calm down everyone, let's not loose our heads. The original stat stick is the feral druid main hand weapon. Why? Because "back in the day" of vanilla wow feral druid had no spells or abilities that went off weapon damage. Meaning, they could literally have a lvl 1 grey item and still do good damage, they would only be missing the stats. That's all their weapon was used for period. In vanilla wow, every one used their ranged weapons, you had to. Warriors often pulled with their ranged weapons cause charging in instances usually got you killed. And lastly, most ranged weapons didn't have stats on them. As the years went by and expansions dropped, we leveled and got stronger, we didn't need/use ranged weapons as much. Soon, they too became stat sticks. Then, without warning, the WoW God's took them away! Lol. Oh, well.
No love for casters? Also you can only say an item is a stat stick if it provides no bonuses other than the stats so hunters for example don’t use their weps so it’s a stat stick, can’t say warriors weps are stat sticks cause they use the weps.
Was Fury warrior highest dps in WotLK? I think we can all agree he wasnt lol, top dps was affly lock and hunter as shown in many world firsts including LK 1st
Ummm you are wrong he is totally correct - fury was tier 1 and fire mage was 2 for single target, for multi target it was UH DK #1 and boomie second (combat rogue had insane AOE for about 15 sec every 2 min) also world firsts are obviously not BIS geared since they were missing the loot from the boss they just killed..
MM hunter was absolutely head and shoulders above on sustain. Averaging about 1.5 times the dps of any other class, even after dks pallys and warriors got shadowmourne.
Please stop misusing the term ‘stat stick’. You mean ‘stat’. A ‘stat stick’ is an item you use only for the stats. This is universal across many games.
Kinda feels wierd that he's only looking on the best DPS weapons and then calling the video "The most powerful weapons" Think healing and tanking stuff should be apart of this video. BTW thunderfury is not BIS for DPS is BIS for tanking.
Idk man I was a sword rogue during bc and I would crush dps on single target yeah mages and locks etc would get me by far on AOE but as far as boss damage no one came close to me as a sword rogue
That steady shot macro is some relic of t4 lol..... from t5 onwards you do a steady steady auto steady auto rotation, which lets slower range weapons out damage the fast weapons. Please do your research before you spread false info
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Did someome say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?
one of the main reasons for Original Naxx only being raided and cleared by 1% of the guilds was actually TBC was coming out right around the corner, so a lot of guilds basically skipped.
You got BFA TOTALLY WRONG. It should’ve said “almost any weapon with a tier 3 corruption” 😂😂😂
No no, tier three infinite stars. 😂😂
Neat Beatz T3 stars is good, but bleh. Adding another piece easily boosts it(I run t5 for ST bosses). Lash of the Void, Gushing Wounds, TD, all of them are insane. Corruptions just retarded
Jibberish to me retail is just a bunch of flashing lights.
BiS wepon for hunters is Whispering Eldritch Bow. It's good not for the stats, but for unique corruption, that auto-shots reduce cooldown of a random (offensive abilities are preferred) hunter ability by 2 seconds. Which drastically affects rotation. 485 Mythic Nzoth gun is just a stat stick
Artur Aliev BM hunters are also 3 buttons. Most retard friendly class in the game
No hunter in their right mind would use that weapon from N’Zoth, it’s the Whispering Erdrich bow from skittra simply because of the unique corruption it offers
i dont understand it either. for legion, he goes off of logs -> windwalker -> artifact weapon. but for bfa he goess off of logs -> hunter -> some random weapon noone uses in the logs at all. why go off of logs in the first place if u dont use them properly lol
@@Gryphuk Going off logs period is a complete waste of time and lacks logic. Other aspects of a class couldve been the reason for someone being top on logs, not their bis weapon, lol. It's just so pointless of a conversation after like Cata...
You know a weapon is good when you remember it by name over a decade later.
I’m just trying to think of the thought process of the last weapon. You have this powerful old god giving you weapons of untold power but they apparently want to pack some heat so here’s a gun.
Shadowmourne was absolutely hilarious in battlegrounds.
man i remember running around on my Blood DK with shadowmourne with 100% armor pen i could 1 hit warrior tanks
It is still useful for timewalking and was amazing in Korrak's revenge.
@@archvaldor yeah but i really hope i get to wield it again in WOTLK if we ever get a wotlk classic server also nice gold exploits
Bobis32 Commentary i remember i sold my shadowmourne for 50g at a vendor
Bobis32 Commentary stop bully war tank 😭
that gun look compared to all the others says a lot about the evolution of the game
Gurthalak also scaled wildly with Unholy death knight mastery, I remember in PVP it would do easily 12-15k per tick, which was a substantial amount.
Even the LFR version was insane if you weren’t lucky enough to get it normally
I got the LFR version on my second DS run, and had it for most of patch 4.3 until my guild cleared DS about four times and me being the only one in the raid that used two handed weapons I got it by default, that was my favourite time to play as I was our main tank blood dk, and I had full PVP gear, and an Unholy DPS set with gurthalak I could do easily 45-60k dps, good times.
The heroic version was pants on head nuts. The tentacles were perfectly capable of mowing people down by themselves.
Hahah Fable background music on burning crusade expansion video. You bring up my childhood on many levels at the same time.
Best DPS during MOP was Affliction warlock by a very large margin, where did you pull these facts?
Raid logs
@@MetaGoblin So you didnt raid in Siege of Orgrimar?
have to second this. aff lock was insane with that cast while moving talent.
@@MetaGoblin www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/5#difficulty=4&class=DPS seems like there's a bit more locks than warriors, ehh ?
Yep, affliction warlocks where the kings of MOP, uncontested imo. They really started to shine in ToT tho. Still best on multi target in T14. In SoO they were just broken.
"im not gonna mention legendary weapons" proceeds to mention legendary weapons
he literally said he would only mention them as honorable mentions, after mentioning other weapons
Yo I noticed you were using music from Fable, has been feeling all kinds of nostalgic.
In Wotlk I remember almost every physical dps was stacking armor penetration. Usually to a softcap so that you would hit 100% with a trinket proc. But in ICC you could manage to run around with 100% armor pen all the time which was pretty insane especially for warriors since their rage generation scaled with the stat. So you'd see everybody socket for pure armor pen. But actually if you were really really geared out in ICC heroic gear you could drop some armor pen sockets. Crazy Times blizz kinda fucked up the scaling in that expansion. You could also hit 100% crit with a fire mage, or mages in general I don't remember.
Uh... WOD's Top dps was Arcane mage.... by a MILE... Talking about mythic fights that lasted 12 seconds stacking 18 mages because they could burst 5-6x the damage of any other class in the game. Sub rogue was the next highest but it honestly wasn't even close. Legion was a toss up depending on if the fight was cleave/single target/aoe. I'm wondering where you got your numbers from because most of the information from the more recent expansion is actually just? wrong? Check Warcraftlogs, Fury warrior had the best straight single target in legion, spriest won out in cleave situations (although warlocks were more busted on progression because they could heal 90% of their health bar literally every global while channeling drain soul). This was until the nerf to the content went out through empowering the artifacts (max concordance). but you still didn't see windwalker monks on the top of... literally any fight? The closest they came to being top dps was on Argus where the top dps was beat out by 100,000 dps by a frost mage.
Iirc though didn't WW have the potential to be the highest DPS class in the game but also had one of the hardest set ups for it?
Best burst =/= best dps. Arcane had the best burst over all but not all together dps. Logs dont work well for arcane in WoD purely because the 12 second fights fucking up the curve.
His recent ones are correct. Cata, MoP and WoD are all wrong though. Fury Warrs dominating in MoP, really?
WW Monks were top Dps in Antorus, and SPs were a pure downgrade from our Aff Lock brothers except for Kin'Garoth, because that fight could be abused by SP VF timings. Logs where the entire raid is afk so the Fury Warr can abuse the logs with the stacking Execute dmg don't count, neither do really short S2M cheese logs at the end of the expansion. They are not an accurate represenation of how those specs performed in actual combat. Sure, Fury Warrs were still there in the top of the meters, but WW Monks were clearly the most overtuned spec in Antorus, even if they might have been outscaled by BiS gear at the very end of the expansion.
WW in Antorus was the perfect example of a spec with poor scaling and bad dmg in the previous raid, so Blizzard just tuned their base numbers through the fucking sky.
You forgot the fact that in BC Steady Shot didnt use ammo dps, and since Thoridal didnt use ammo it had more dps than any other ranged weapon using Timeless Arrow (the epic arrow), making its steady shots the most powerful in the game.
I still remember back in the day Saw so this one guy with the Legendary bow pulling in Swp 4k dps wich was insane back then
Dracony same. My buddy was the Glavie rogue and they had epic dps duels. Hunter always won though.
oh man, the fable music in the background just gave me a severe case of nostalgia
I thought i was crazy yeah i heard the beauty too
Pretty sure the intro music is from Oblivion if thats what you were referencing :D
@@TSubYT nope i wasnt, i was referring to the fable music, which played in the video at the time when the fable music was played. which time is that? you might ask? start at 4:05
The South Park sword is now called Slayer of the Lifeless in retail. Because in South Park it was used to kill "that which has no life".
@9:18 is misleading. Combat Rogues were considered really bad DPS for most of Cataclysm, and only became viable towards the very end when Blizzard completely re-worked blade flurry and gave them an insane amount of buffs. I distinctively remember playing a Rogue in a 25 man guild, and being forced to play Combat for the wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Savage_Combat at my Guild Leader's request. None of the other Rogues wanted anything to do with the spec because of how laughably bad it's DPS was.
While you are right about hunters being one of the top DPS for BFA, the gun off of N'zoth isn't the reason for it - off of one of the earlier bosses, Skitra, a bow drops that gives your autoshots the effect of reducing the cooldown of one of your random hunter abilites by 2 seconds. Given that the current 'meta' for beast mastery (the 'main' hunter spec nowadays) is about getting your major abilities (Bestial Wrath, Kill Command, Barbed Shot, etc) off CD asap, this bow just does so much more work for hunters than the raw DPS of the gun - that isn't to say the gun has bad stats, though.
So the thing about Fury in MOP, there was this particular rotation that we would use to do really high burst dmg and top charts instantly and be there the whole encounter. I believe it went like this, you would charge, cast avatar and reckless and use colossus smash and then storm bolt. BAck then Storm bolt had an affect where if the enemy was immune to stuns it would do x4 dmg on top of the colossus smash allowing any dmg to ignore armor and with reckless and avatar multiplying the dmg even further so at the get go of an encounter fury warriors had their storm bolt crit for like 2 mil sometimes higher.
I had dual heroic Gurthalaks on my fury warrior in Cata... the procs were insane.
You missed one, the Warglaives of Azzinoth, bein a horde plalyer, the rogues and warriors that used it with tier 2 or 6 respectively are why I NEVER PVP. BC with those weapons were the BANE of classes, pair them with the hunter and that bow, flashbacks again, where's my beer.
Well the bow legendary was stronger than war glaves of azzinoth since the bow was the one that dropped from the last raid
That fable music in the background is bringing back so many memories 💔
Pretty sure that music is from Elder Scrolls Oblivion? at least the music in the beginning is
It's from Fable The Lost Chapters
Oblivion
Funny how the last two expansions were shortest in terms of cool weapons 🤔
Metagoblin, not true :( Thoridal had around same attack speed on bm hunter as 3.0 speed ranged weapons. Its because quiver was giving you -15% attack speed. The bow was op mainly because steady shots didnt gain from arrows but base weapon dmg. And well, Thoridal adds dmg of arrows to base weapon dmg. And therefore was increasing dmg of steady shot significantly.
The bow off skitra is a bigger damage increase for hunters than the gun because of its corruption effect
THANK YOU, i came here to comment this exact thing. only hunter spec that wants the gun is MM, which is nowhere near as good as BM in literlly any content ATM.
you can get the exact corruption on that gun
@@turkviktor except you cant its exclusive to the bow
@@Randalfirenope i've been on several hc nzothts and it dropped for at least 1 hunter
@@turkviktor I'm not saying u cant get a corrupted gun I'm saying the gun cant get the corruption exclusive to the bow from skitra
Red gems in Wrath was armor pen. I remember back to when I switched all my str gems to armor pen and I surged ahead in DPS. It was insane.
Actualy as fury endgame all you needed was 3x +34Arp gems from Jc since you were capped from items iff you were BiS,or iff you had a warrior main tank,you could just stack all str gems items gave you 90%arp and constant sunder armor gave you the rest needed.I was doing 34-38k Dps on Lod with that setup.
It depended on your gear. Going over the cap on armor pen was 100% wasted whereas strength is never wasted. IIRC in BIS gear you didn't need that many armor pen gems.
I remember getting my heroic Bryntroll, the bone arbiter for my DK back in WotLK , immediately qued for pvp and proceed to not die healing myself. Those were the days
12:12 "subblety rogue" lmfao
Sub rogue was a beast in wod and sadly the last time rogue required a brain to operate
john boutah clearly you didn’t play with a good mate. Arcane mages would dump on a rouge
Is the fable the lost chapters soundtrack in the background?
I'm pretty sure the main reason that 99% of raiding guilds weren't doing full Naxx clears was that TBC was only 3-months away. It seems rational to avoid 3-months of sweat only to be reduced to a lowbie so quickly.
Nope. Naxx gear lasted almost until level 70 for the most part. I remember my Dreadnaught legs (warrior T3 legs) were better than the T4 tank legs. My alt with BWL gear didn't replace most of it until after level 65. And some of the trinkets would last until you literally got a level 70 epic to replace them (IIRC Slayer's Crest and some of the other Sapphiron trinkets).
Twin Blades Of Azzinoth was one of the greatest weapon back in TBC.
Belgutei Boldbaatar yea but that Bow was so dumb.
Illidan didn't end up being the last raid of the expansion, so he don't get the spot... disappointing, sort of like Atiesh in a way...
no mention of stunherald in tbc? rip
Because that wasn't anywhere near the most powerful weapon of the expansion?
during the time it came out it was one of the best PVP weapons for a warrior. 4 sec stun that proc'd all the time with NO DR. i believe in patch 2.3 i think they nerfed the proc rate but it used to be completely OP. even if it technically wasnt the hardest hitting weapon in the game it still should be an honorable mention ofc
@@bathsalts666 still not the most powerful weapon of the expansion, and this video has zero to do with pvp
4:30 fable 1 soundtrack
Noticed it right away as well
I don’t get the mop one. Why did you chose Fury warrior? affliction lock was clearing the top DPS on almost every fight. And the ones it didn’t, fury was nowhere to be seen. Also, in MoP, technically the tanks were the top DPS if you really want to go off logs.
Man you just completely glossed over the proc on the Rogue legendary daggers from Cata. It was absolutely insane in PVP to be able to spam 5 point combo finishers for 6 seconds straight. Nobody could survive that
Didnt appear that you properly researched this. It’s well known that in 3.3.5 Fury warriors needed lots of armor pen.. thats what the red gem sockets would be used on.
he said he couldn't remember /shrug
In WoD arcane mages were the best dps, they were absolutely fucking broken. Literally videos of mages killing the second boss on mythic in like 10 seconds.
Can you link? Couldnt find any
@@pewpew4950 ruclips.net/video/YAmlSjYpnRU/видео.html wasn't hard to find
Best burst =/= best dps. Logs are fucked because of the 10 second kills screwing with the averages.
Thunderfury its not a AOE effect only the 20% wep slow is. Not the 300 damage sadly.
Is that music from fable the lost chapters ? or am i wrong i loved that game
Did he say that the TF procc is a cleave effect "which will multiply your dmg even further?"
It's an AoE effect that doenst deal AoE dmg... only on the initial target it deals nature dmg, the rest "only" gets a debuff...
Not to mention that TF afaik is NOT the best DPS Weapon.
Sadly you got the TBC weapons wrong, yes weapon speed does matter but the reason why thoridal is so good is cuz of the high weapon damage and it’s scaling with steady shot!
My guild mate got Get'tiku from plus 15 chest with rank 3 Twilight devastation. That could also be most OP weapon for warriors, DK's and ret pallys
i'm amazed arcane mages weren't #1 for Wotlk. By the end of it they changed mage armor to regen % mana back which was totally busted for BiS mages. It was so busted their rotation strictly became spam arcane blast and nothing else, mages were respecing out of improved arcane missiles as they didn't need it anymore.
0:24 KLINDAAAA !!! the legend himself
Whispering eldritch bow from Prophet Skitra is the current hunter BiS (as of 8.3)
Thunderfury was definitely my best tanking weapon of all time. Super hard to get and required extreme luck. But it was fucking pimp mode.
IT IS CALLED Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker.
It’s like a tribe called quest you HAVE to say the whole thing!!
''Last boss of Kel'Thuzad''
There's so many small and big things that's wrong with this video.
Isn't that correct? What do you mean?
A lot of people refer to raids by their last boss...
Ya really gotta take corruption into account w the last weapon that pick is suspect
why you didn't included the legendary cloack from mop?
isnt weapon but to says rogur cata legendary was last real legendary,which was false
Sub rogues were the really good in HFC single target fights, and it wasn't bc of a weapon, it was due to soul soul capacitor and the legendary ring on use effect. but the best damage dealers were mages with the Prismatic Crystal talent.
It's kind of depressing that there aren't any caster weapons on the list.
casters scale with all the +spell power in gear and skills levels, as a fury warrior my dps get BIG upgrades with new weapons instead of stacking atk power or crit in gear, also skill level dont do much
@@denispeda you say skill has nothing to do with a casters dps your dead wrong Mages once they can move to fire spec in ZG/AQ you need alot more skill to reach the best possible dps as you have to weave CoC fireblast scorch and pyroblast to max out your dps well and fireball. Knowing how to weave spells even in just MC can boost your dps by about 200 i say this as i beat 3 or 4 better geared mages in my raid and they beat me by about 100SP
@@Bobis32lol who the fuck cant weave spells nowdays?
@@Bobis32 you do know fire mages rotation has evolved especially in MOP and has been a lot harder compared to classic right
@@SNSTR alot of people arent waving in my experience in classic and i learned spell weaving in mop on a psever as a fire mage
for vanilla it's not true that Gressil, Dawn of Ruin (classic.wowhead.com/item=23054/gressil-dawn-of-ruin) is the best weapon 1h, Misplaced Servo Arm was stronger (classic.wowhead.com/item=23221/misplaced-servo-arm) since u can debuff the enemies' nature resistence with Thunderfury's Proc (-25 nature resistence) and with Curse of Elements (-75 nature resistence) and in vanilla when a resistence goes on minus values., that type of damage get some skyrocket multipliers.
Love the Fable Soundtrack. Respect
in cata warriors was destroying in deathwing raid , only assassin rogue with legendary daggers was close enough
Feral druid was highest dps in MoP SoO population of feral druid was just very small especially ones that played at the highest level
correction, thunderyfury's damage doesnt jump. just the nature resistance debuff. so in AoE TF does no extra damage
The only reason 1% of guilds cleared Naxx was because Burning Crusade came out .
Damn, that fucking music in background is fucking me up so bad I need to play Fable series all over again!
Fury warriors were NOT considered bad early WotLk lol. Fury was 1# Dps in BiS t7 gear. They were so OP that they got a flat 10% dmg nerf going into Ulduar.
Despite that, they did respectable numbers in Ulduar once they got some gear, and in ToGC and ICC they were obviously back on top again.
Also, I have no idea which logs you are looking at, but your "top Dps this expansion" is wrong every time.
Combat Rogues, while good in Cata, were beaten by Arms Warriors (wearing Gurthalak as you said), Demo Locks and Fire Mages. Rogues with Legendary weapons could compete, but with regular weapons they had no chance.
Fury Warrs were just generally good in MoP. They were compareable to SV Hunters, Combat Rogues and Arcane/Fire Mages. These specs were all quite OP compared to some of the other classes.
Problem was, Warlocks were even more OP than these other OP classes, on a level of their own. MoP Warlock is famous for being the "most OP PvE class" of all time, and that includes earlier broken shit from TBC and Classic. Feral Druids were also insane in MoP, but they were a pure ST spec, while Warlocks excelled at everything, ST, 2-target Cleave, Multidotting AND mass AoE.
Arcane Mages were completely broken at the end of WoD, not Rogues. Rogues were good in general, but couldn't touch Mages.
At least you got Legion right. WW Monks truly were out there.
If anything, it sounds like you were looking at logs for the prepatch to the next expansion, so Dragon Soul with full BiS gear with MoP talents, and Siege of Orgrimmar with full BiS gear and WoD talents etc.
Rogue with legendary daggers critting for 50k in opener was fun or arcane mage with legendary staff arcane blasting your face with 50k was fun too
Why would warriors use a fast off hand when whirlwind benefits from the off hands damage as well making slow dual wield better . But I didn’t play vanilla only tbc . And in tbc the best weapon for warriors war MH glaive and OH mounting vengeance
For a long time warriors had a fury talent that gave them a 40% chance to gain 1 rage when they hit with a melee attack. Back then none of your abilities used your offhand weapon damage - just your mainhand. So the speed of your offhand didn't affect your Bloodthirst, WW, Heroic Strike, Cleave, or executes. Only your autoattacks mattered, so weapon speed didn't really effect your offhand dps. A faster offhand would generate more rage from Unbridled Wrath, though.
i love when meta includes oblivion music in his vids. always brings a nostalgia trip
that's fable
talking bout like the first 3 min of the vid
funny to see you say nzot h gun was bis but in reality for my bm hunter i needed the bow from prophet skitra for the most output when raiding mythic
In wotlk you could easily get 100% armor penetration as a fury warrior wich was the way to go
Pretty sure that the skitra bow is better than the gun by a huge amount. The gun is just higher iLvl, but the bow is used by top hunters in the world.
Went 2600 in 3s in cata season 11 with 3 dps we had a ret off healing cuz of the 2 set from dragon soul but each of us had a heroic 2 set I think the rogue just used legs we had heroic proc trinks *Vial of Shadows was the one me and rogue used* and heroic deathwing weps *or legendaries for the rogue* Orc Hunter BE Rogue BE Ret the damage and control was too much and nobody expected 3dps to reck shit and it was an odd comp but because of the silences form the BEs and the utility we had it was extremely hard to stop our burst funnest time Ive ever had on wow only compares to when I took over timeless isle
pretty sure arcane mages did the most dps in wod by insane amounts
That Fable music in the background 😭😭
Savith I was thinking the same thing😩
The music in back is fable right ?
Most busted weapon isnt necessarily the one which the top dps of the expansion uses. Just because the class itself is busted, doesnt mean that the weapon they used were the best.
Did he just say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]!?!?
Fang of the pit did not have perfect stats for sub, as you wanted multistrike and crit mainly.
Also the skitra bow is still ahead of the nzoth weapon, even with the added ilvl, just because of the corruption effect.
Other than that great video !
Wod Top dps is the Arcane mage because off the manoroth trinked
i may be wrong but i thought arms warr was the best dps in cata with arcane mage and surv hunter
Arms in t11. Fury in t12 (because Arms got nerfed after being too OP in t11), Arms again in t13 (because Fury got nerfed after being OP in t12).
Arcane was only good in t11 BiS gear (with the trinket from Sinestra) and t12. Once they broke the trinket, Mages dropped hard, and they went Fire once they got the t13 4-set bonus.
MM was the go-to Hunter spec in T11 and t12, and then SV in t13 (huge flat dmg buffs to SV going into 4.3). Hunters were always 2#. Top tier all expansion, but there was always one or two specs better than them.
Ofc, Shadow Priests would dominate them all on any fight with more than 1 target, because of absolutely broken multidotting. Anybody who complains about current multidotting in retail, obivously didn't play during Cata (Shadow Priests) or MoP (Warlocks).
I play BM in BFA and i got heroic version (470 ilvl) of Dominion with t2 twilight devastation from weekly event to clear 4 mythic0 dungeons lol.
in pandaria best class dps was destro lock and survival hunter or BM hunter! not warriors
btw dominion gun is meh the bow with gale force is a HELL of a lot better just saying just cause dominion gun drops at 10 higher ilvl don't mean it beats a bow with a better corruption on it
Sittin here with sgc, rocking Crul' and Brutal blade feeling like a lvl 1 warrior after seeing this..
Ignoring corruption, how tf was Get'ikuu not mentioned??
Is this fable the lost chapters music?
Man I really despise how they gave us the most powerful weapons in Warcraft lore in Legion for free, and now they're completely useless and weaker than greens. I get that this used to happen every expansion, but there's a difference between "Might of Menethil is weaker than Firemaul of Destruction" and "Ashbringer is useless."
dude idk how it was for you but much more people wanted hungering cold than gressil on my server back in the day, also hungering cold is a much better rouge weapon than gressil, for warriors its subjective weather you like hc or gressil more, adn furt warrior min/max is thunder fury and hc
Technically bloodfall from ICC averages the most dps, not more than the 288 but def better than shitmaker lol
13:25 WHISPERING ELDRITCH BOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not the gun.
Gudwin technically yes, the corruption proc makes the bow better. Purely based on which ranged item gives better stats etc there might be an argument however the bow should be the number 1
Ok, calm down everyone, let's not loose our heads. The original stat stick is the feral druid main hand weapon. Why? Because "back in the day" of vanilla wow feral druid had no spells or abilities that went off weapon damage. Meaning, they could literally have a lvl 1 grey item and still do good damage, they would only be missing the stats. That's all their weapon was used for period. In vanilla wow, every one used their ranged weapons, you had to. Warriors often pulled with their ranged weapons cause charging in instances usually got you killed. And lastly, most ranged weapons didn't have stats on them. As the years went by and expansions dropped, we leveled and got stronger, we didn't need/use ranged weapons as much. Soon, they too became stat sticks. Then, without warning, the WoW God's took them away! Lol. Oh, well.
No love for casters? Also you can only say an item is a stat stick if it provides no bonuses other than the stats so hunters for example don’t use their weps so it’s a stat stick, can’t say warriors weps are stat sticks cause they use the weps.
What the hell is that thing, a bow scythe?
13:58 haha, I second that :)
Was Fury warrior highest dps in WotLK? I think we can all agree he wasnt lol, top dps was affly lock and hunter as shown in many world firsts including LK 1st
Ummm you are wrong he is totally correct - fury was tier 1 and fire mage was 2 for single target, for multi target it was UH DK #1 and boomie second (combat rogue had insane AOE for about 15 sec every 2 min) also world firsts are obviously not BIS geared since they were missing the loot from the boss they just killed..
@@kaloyanivanov9825 nahh i am 100% correct, lock was top tier with unholy being aoe top tier (with smourne)
MM hunter was absolutely head and shoulders above on sustain. Averaging about 1.5 times the dps of any other class, even after dks pallys and warriors got shadowmourne.
@@snkyfox17 if we are talking about LK, Proffessor and other long fights. no Affly lock beats them and if there are mobs to aoe dk beats it
Please stop misusing the term ‘stat stick’. You mean ‘stat’. A ‘stat stick’ is an item you use only for the stats. This is universal across many games.
Kinda feels wierd that he's only looking on the best DPS weapons and then calling the video "The most powerful weapons" Think healing and tanking stuff should be apart of this video. BTW thunderfury is not BIS for DPS is BIS for tanking.
No Corrupted Ashbringer?
The best Hunter weapon is the bow from skitra by a very large margin
Idk man I was a sword rogue during bc and I would crush dps on single target yeah mages and locks etc would get me by far on AOE but as far as boss damage no one came close to me as a sword rogue
The fable music in the background ❤️
I remember this time whe we down the twins with my guild and got the double loot bug, it was the bow and hopefuly i was main hunter at this time.
I couldn't disagree more
@@notbot4525 That's exactly what said our rogue this day when he try a sneaky rand.
That steady shot macro is some relic of t4 lol..... from t5 onwards you do a steady steady auto steady auto rotation, which lets slower range weapons out damage the fast weapons. Please do your research before you spread false info