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Gran Turismo 7 Traction Control Makes You Faster (Proved!)
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2022
- Is Gran Turismo 7 faster with or without traction control? Kireth Esports driver Kyle heads to Daytona in his Dodge Viper Gr3 to find out - and the results may surprise you!
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🤔🤔 Do you use traction control in Gran Turismo 7?
I have really tried to go without, but I just can’t. :)
Depends on the track
I use level 1 TC
depends cars have it on 1 ..unless can get same results by turning LSD down on 10 -15 about acceleration sensitivity.... when training no but on longer daily races helps with consistency
Yes I use it frequently especially as described here for group 3.
TC Works as intended better in GT7 than it Does GT sport. I will use it actively during a race Arranging from 0 to 3 Depending on the car, tires, and track conditions etc... cetera
There's a reason GT3 cars have TC irl, if it's good enough for professionals it's good enough for me.. but its good to know it's not just me who struggles in certain cars without.
That depends on the realism of the game. Like in ACC I’ve heard people say TC is mandatory but in forza the fastest is no TC or ABS, even though that’s unrealistic. I do think GT7 is more realistic than GTS and I use TC in gr3
I never needed to use TC in GT Sport but in GT7 I'm having an awful time getting a clean lap without TC. Idk if GT Sport was unrealistic or if GT7 is much more realistic, but my GT7 TC is always set to 1.
Agreed. People use traction control all day in real life and in other sims, but there’s a really strange stigma to using it in Gran Turismo. It definitely works well in this game.
The reason they have TC in GT3/4 cars is so the cars are easy to drive which allows gentlemen (pay) drivers to participate. It's pretty common knowledge that this is why
@@King_Ears Interesting take. What about the fast drivers that use tc 3/4 in the gt3 cars? Wouldn’t they turn it off if it didn’t help and slowed them down?
The s10 licence is a prime example too, after suggesting TC to users a lot of users were achieving gold!
for me tc off however the stability control and countersteer on weak has done the trick. i wouldnt limit myself to tc only as in some corners it took my speed away and made me go wide but tc off allowed for little more speed but the other 2 had to be on. i love to experiment. what works for me may not work for others but they are there for us to use
for me, the 1st person mode did the trick. somehow you are less likely to experience snaps in 1st person mode and it makes your car more stable. (at least if you play on a controller) i think the reason is that the wheel is less sensitive or its maximum degree of turning is less than in other camera modes.
The GT community has such a weird meta when it comes to assist settings. Its weird because in games that are regarded as hardcore sims like Assetto Corsa or iRacing TC a t low setting is like a basic default settings for people playing. People in GT will say that the top players aren't using it and that is probably true but the top players are also all using the same meta cars and aren't playing the game like the average player would. As for the claim that everyone says that it makes you slower I would argue that you lose more time trying not to spin then if you have TC on. Also for the people saying that PD just needs to balance the cars better, real cars all drive differently and BoP is not a realistic simulation of racing. That is a game thing that is much more a crutch than TC is, which is actually on real race cars. BoP is a game mechanic, in real life, different types of cars will perform better or worse given the conditions of the race and the tuning applied to the car. The GT meta is weird because the community seems to pick and choose what it wants for authenticity and what needs to be gamified.
As a long time GT player there's a lot of sense in this comment
@@Kireth
It such a crazy thing with the GT community, especially the part about top split drivers not using it. I am like....okay, are you a top split driver.......no.......Then why does it matter what some person who you are not likely going to be racing against is or is not using. If you are spinning all over the track and feel like you need to use a specific car because you can't be competitive in anything but that car or if you are complaining about not having enough variety of cars in races, why not use the settings designed to make these "undriveable" cars better and since you are not on a top split pace anyway enjoy the whole variety of cars in the game vs. burning yourself out trying to pretend that you are a top split driver using the same car that you say you hate seeing everyone else use. I can't tell you the number of races where I've outperformed a non top split driver using a meta car on TC 0 and me using a non meta car on TC1, simply because while he is struggling to just keep it on the track, I am sailing by because I am on the power sooner and having a more consistent race than someone who is fighting frustration trying not to spin the car on turning exits. If PD didn't expect people to use TC then it would be banned in online, PD put it in the game for players to use, and if a car needs it then I am going to use it. Meta be damned!
@@corey_massey Yes, because there are cars I just don't like, yeah; you can have that race, I'll pass, can't win them all.
The most true description of what I feel too, you've hit the nail on the head, it was like in the brands hatch weekly race, complaints of oh the rcz is only car everyone is going for, well if this is sim, one car will be above others, just like in f1 last year, if that was a game everyone would choose mercedes
I was thinking much of the same - thanks for consolidating my thoughts for me!
The irony is that all of these cars have some form of electronic assists in real life. However, people believe you will be able to disable all assists in game and drive like it’s real life counterpart. A Lambo without it’s electronic traction control is nearly undriveable.
Yep
I've found that I use TC subjectively depending on the car and conditions. Sometimes it's essential, other times it seems to hold me back - the NBR circuit experience in the M6 was odd, I had to turn it off and refine my throttle control to get all gold! (I'm playing on PS4 and Pad, if that makes a difference? )
TC is great for the wet.
I had to turn on TC1 for that and I dropped from 6:38.9 to 6:35 and change.
For the nurb I use third gear rather then second a lot
@@Kireth same and fourth through sector 8
I used TC when my tires are dead or about to die (but you want to stay out), or during raining and your tires aren't W or I. Other than that I use TC at 0. I use control, but I found the control has improved a lot since GT Sport. You have a better feeling of the track, and the trigger buttons are great to sense how you much throttle can you put to avoid spinning and tire waste.Anyway, thanks for the advice and the video!
All of that was exactly right, finally someone talking sense about use of TC👍🏽
Thanks 🙌🙌🙌
You can not be fast with TC on if you are unable to drive without it.
With these new physics I can totally see and feel that the TCS is more usable. Even though I always drive with it off I’ll give this a shot next time, great video!
Try it!
TC is faster in unstable cars negatively affected by BoP but it's not going to make you faster in general. It's really a band aid for poor car balance but it's still pretty much always going to be quicker to use a more stable car with TC off (RCZ, Porsche). If you take a really unstable car and make it stable, yeah...you're going to be quicker. But it's not going to be quicker than taking a stable car and turning TC off.
Fair points, it's huge for the R8 though
I don’t know… This guy doesn’t have a British accent, can we trust him? Lol! I make joke! This is especially important advice for us gamepad users. Our input is much much less accurate than those with wheels. I tend to adjust mine on the fly per race (by using the D-Pad you can do this). Typically at 1 sometimes at 0 or 2. Good video showing some sound reasoning! Also, if you are a gamepad user, I've been using the Right Analog Up for gas down for brakes setting for probably 5 GT releases now and it helps a lot. I can eventually manage to get all gold on all licenses with a gamepad this way-- so I know its at least viable.
Nice method there!
Suspension, alignment and LSD make a massive difference on how the car will react. I really enjoy tuning. Makes you learn the car.
Nice!
Suspension and lsd arent tunable in bop
In awd cars you don’t t need it just set your vectoring to 50:50. The nsx it seems handles better without tc as well both n/a and turbo options. Certain cars are better without it, just depends on the build
Nice
I was going to comment the same. The tuning settings that pull the best lap times will not be universal across all cars. That said high TCS is a must for a Viper, that and a whole lot of downforce, the rear end on those cars are so light it’s like the engineers who designed hated the idea of a sports car gripping the road.
wow did not expect that!
surely will give TC a try now.
Try it!
I had to use TC on some sectors and/or full tracks in circuit experience. Lambos, Audis are horribly handling, TC helps a ton - but usually I don't run TC on self tuned GT3s, of course during rain yes, but most of the time I am faster without it.
Interesting!
My take on TC is: disable for practice, enable for race/qualify. In short, learn limits with TC off, but enable it when a crash is too costly so you won't have to be as precise with the pedal.
This conclusion came to me when I played iRacing with provided or shared setups with TC active. I would push too much with TC on and would crash due to being too much over limit when TC threshold was too much. With TC off, I could recover most oversteers, but TC on, all would be unrecoverable.
Nice analysis!
It's unbelievable how rwd cars just refuse to grip even with just half gas, and sometimes in not that powerful cars.
Edit: I've also found out that road cars behave much better if you DON'T do weight reduction. Try it for yourself, you can see it the easiest with something like a Camaro SS or a Z28. Try it with sport suspension, fully upgraded and then try it after buying a new body. It doesn't do miracles when it comes to throttle sensivity in this game, but it certainly makes the cars a lot more enjoyable to drive and actually able to put the power on the ground. That Z28 fully upgraded spins its wheels to almost 200km h, but without weight reduction it suddenly is able to gain traction a lot earlier
It's VERY different to GT Sport
@@Kireth I added more text to my comment, please read it. It's about making some road cars easier to drive, something i found out just yesterday
@@Kireth Also, i tried driving a stock C7 Vette in GT7 and Assetto and the thing puts the power down a lot more easily in Assetto, and also gives you a lot more confidence to push
cant you just add balast??
@@Pato-ARG not the same if the car is too heavy. I tried that with th Z28, it helped a bit, but not that much. After revertithe weight back to stock it became a lot more drivable
As an A & S rating driver on a PS5 controller I use abs & sometimes traction on 1 but it depends on PP & car & tracks.
I was surprised when I spoke to other players saying they don't use it .. I use TC 3 on my GR3s and TC 5 with my favorites like the R32 , R32, R34 AND R35...I noticed this since the second day of releasing the game . It is a MUST use. Another thing is the LSD IS MAJOR
I'm on a thrustmaster T-80 so I appreciate this, running TC 1 definitely helps me.
T80 is where I started, lots of fun!
Nice. If you finally decide or are able to upgrade, try to go to the t300 and skip t150/248. I made the mistake of jumping from t80 to t150 then 248, then 300. Now on the TGT2. T300 was the sweet spot for performance and price. Happy racing!
Personally i switch between tc off and tc on 1. Obviously having tc off makes you noticeably faster especially getting out of corners, saying that it totally depends on the car some are really grippy and feel great with no tc but others are for me undriveable without tc.
I think the GT3 Ferrari is terrible without
Even with TC 1 or 2 u can éxit corner vfast without losing speed
Depends on the car for me, for example I was able to gold the fuji circuit experience with the lexus with TC on 0 but with the honda on the suzuka circuit experience I needed TC on 3...
That Suzuka one is tricky!
Honda NSX and Ferrari Italia 485 need some TCS adjustment. NSX in particular on TCS 1 drives exactly the same as you have it on 0. Italia on the other hand is really hard to drive even on TCS 1, hence why people are rarerly driving it.
Great vid mate !!!!
Great point on the NSX!
It's really depends on the car and setup I sometimes use traction control but I do find it holds you back from the best time
Yep
From no assists, I now run TCS 1 with counter steer weak and I’ve done PBs with this setting. The game rewards assists if careful on inputs. R8 Gr3 is a great example.
Nice one!
To get gold at laguna seca I used traction control during turn 1&2 then turned it off until the corkscrew. Then turned it back off until the last turn. I used it almost like you would the fuel map to conserve fuel. It was the fastest way around the track for me.
TC pro right here!
Thanks for the Video, I personally use TC2 it seems to have good grip in corners and on high speed tracks like Daytona.
Nice one Greg!
Depending on the tire type and horsepower of car I start races with TCS set anywhere from 1 to 3 and then reduce it by 1 after a couple laps when then tires have been warmed up.
I use TC 1 most of the time, but with some cars you can turn it off, while others you need to turn it up higher.
I think we need to be more flexible with TC 🙌🙌
It might be cool to have variable assists allowed in daily races. Like tc allowed for cars that use it irl but not for formula cars for instance. Or banning abs for a race in historical cars. I think that if an assist exists in real life and everyone else is using it there’s no shame in using it. Using TC doesn’t make you a “noob,” in a lot of cases it’s the clever move.
Yep would love that!
Some GT3 cars need TC to be a more faster and consistent racer.
Yep
Your right, if your racing; you get a little excited trying to pass someone and end-up spinning-out. TC is very useful when your tires are worn.
I like how people think using short gears short transmission on road or race cars is hacking when it's actually called tuning the amount off toxic salty people in lobbys is embarrassing if they lose too a road car in like 700 PP tuning always been available since GT1 when has it ever been hacking?
Cause the difference between a trans at like 154mph and 156mph or w.e is like 35-50pp
Tbh so it should do , personally don't use it with my wheel , I don't really agree with it in games but in rl it's needed and it's real so yeh to certain extent maybe 1-2 on an LM car and that's not even if you get a good tune
I definitely don't like racing line and corner indicators in any racing game I'm old school Nigel mansells gp on zx spectrum old school we did not have any assists or aids ,learn the track like a real driver if you want to take the sim route imo
Not just TC but brake bias makes getting golds so much easier.
BB change makes the car easier to drive as well, they need to add we’re you can change your BB with BoP on like IRL it makes a s oh difference especially on some MR cars
I haven't tried TC in GT7, mainly because I switched aids off years ago barring default ABS. All it seemed to do was create an annoying dead-zone in the throttle pedal which I can't stand.
Try it 👍
I did some tests too. The license tests are difficult. I compared my times with 0,1,2,3,4,5 TC - the fastest times I set with 4 TC. My stock choice is 3- if the car is a “hugger” whuch is a low race car then I’ll set to 2. I re-tested this on the circuit experience and missions. Consistency wise TC 3 was fastest. I use a controller and I suspect with a good wheel it would be easier to use 1 or 2.Racing is about one thing when you get into series or online - lap times.
Nice!
This is good to know, I use controller as well, thanks for the tips!
Great video well done.
Thanks J Mac!
Yh tc makes u faster u see a lot of difference from 3 to 1/0. I use 0 for qualifying 1 or 2 for racing to prevent spinning out when hit by a dirty driver
Smart!
Ive tested so many different cars but I noticed its not really even about this setting mostly it comes down to how the player races and how smooth the inputs are with throttle control! Throttle control is more than half the fight with this topic! no matter what setting you are 1-6 for TSC on if you dont practice better control you'll never improve Lap times I play on a controller at the moment and my pace is only about 2sec off top times in sport mode. Setting this to 0 without having a better understanding of how to manipulate the gas correctly in relation to what type of car you racing can be difficult for people that are not necessarily hardcore players and understand differences between how MR FR FF or a RR car drives. setting to hight can rob you of clean exits which will drastically hurt lap times. IT may be easier to keep car on the track but speed is the sacrifice the higher the setting. puttin power down through the apex gives massive understeer and robs you of those precious .100s of a second which is alot of time when your hot lapping for Qualifying times in sport mode or trying to gold circuit experiences
Usually no I feel like throttle can be manipulated more without it. just have to practice really smooth throttle inputs when coming off of a turns apex to little and youll spin under heavy input too much and understeer robs you of a clean exit even if you hit the apex correctly you have to find that perfect balance of quickness and consistency and only practice will get you to that point. some people have to revamp there whole style of play because I can tell by some comments people are used to Arcade style racing games that masquerade as sims which is most console race games to date. this not that type of game you just pick up and kill it instantly HAHA. " pratice my fellow racers practice"
This is my results thus far. I am using a Logitech G29 wheel. I use TC at 1 and CSA on strong and ABS at default. But a bit of warning CSA can cause your car to have unwanted understeer. You may feel it on sharp cornering or hairpins. I use it for the sake of not spinning coming out of the corner. But use it accordingly if you notice it is hurting your times. As for TC I use 1 so that when you need to make a turn or you need to get around other vehicles without worrying about going into a locked turning or spinout. With TC at 0 if I try to throttle around a corner or quickly get around another car when I try to correct my self the car would continue to be locked in the turn I originally made. This is not so bad if you set it to at least 1. At 1 if I find my self lose control I can quickly correct it. Very very difficult to do if your set at 0. Plus you can not AT ALL hammer on the gas while in or coming out of a turn. At TC 1 you still have to be careful but it is enough to help get you around a corner without worrying too much of spinout.
I feel like the triggers on the PS4 controller aren't sensitive enough for me to run consistently with no TC. I'm just more consistent with TC set to 1.
Makes sense!
I vary the tc force dependant on track, ie do I need more rotation in slow speed corners (less tc) or do I need more stability in high speed corners (more tc)
Exactly the way!
Some car's really need it to function!
a viper with no TC is like trying to drive on black ice.
True say!
Well as its proved hope to always see you using it in future videos... Or are you trying to slow others down
I feel like tc just depends on the car your driving bc I’m faster without it with certain gt3 cars like the Porsche 911 and Peugeot rcz but something like a viper or m6 or Audi or lambo or Ferrari I usually need tcs on 1.
Besides tc though I also feel like a lot of the gt3 cars are very unstable to drive at the limit without tuning hence why in a lot the daily races the best and competitive cars to use are the ones that are easy to drive at the limit like the Peugeot and Porsche.
Yep M6 and R8 definitely benefit!
Remember, all of us in the comment section can drive, and played previous GT games, some of these beginners really need it. Do what you need to do to win and have fun.
I always put TC 2 and it's fast and fantástic👍 just turn it off on some corners
Nice one!
Sometimes I use tc on 1 but I always worry that its slowing me down. Don't know if it actually is or not
Maybe have a quick test at a track?
Definitely use tc5 for the 600pp tomahawk
Is there a way to permanently set the TCS? It's really frustrating changing it down constantly, especially when trying to get gold on licenses and missions.
When the GT Championships really get going, there'll be mega complaints from the drivers & that's when the weak traction issue will get addressed globally in the game
You reckon?
@@Kireth I'm hoping thiat everyone competing will make complaints firstly because when they're using hard racing tires, certain cars slide too much on corners
TC really is faster most of the time. I know people say just have to tune for stability, but you have to make sacrifices for stability. TC lets you keep top speed in other areas while nullifying the worst of cornering instability without a point hit. It isn't really a "git gud" thing. I think the devs just got to the point where it doesn't make sense to portray all the electronic systems within modern cars as a handicap or somehow illegitimate when that's the way the cars are raced and tuned in real life.
Well said. It’s no longer TCS off, one size fits all for all cars type of thing. I’m also finding most cars, especially that handles well, TCS off is just faster.
Yep great points
New subscriber here
Welcome mate!
Yes, i don't understand these snobs who have to praise themselves driving without assists, while sliding all over the place, what's the point if it makes you slower ?!
No point!
Gr3 cars don't have tires as thick as Gr1 or Formula cars so you need tc
Maybe for licenses... I feel com confortable with TCs off when in the races.
Fair enough!
@@Kireth I mean, yes! TCS is more confortable, helps a lot when using controller... but the AI is such a selfish MF, and often put you in so many risky situations that you need to push the gas in order to force a slide or a little drift to safe the clean bonus. And sometimes because of AI always follow their own line no matter what, they often touch your rear, and at least to me without TCs I can recpver the control of the car faster.
Nicely put together Kyle and proved with, in my opinion, more than adequate data compilation. On this particular track when it was the daily I engaged TCS1 when approaching the bus stop and then I left it on until the infield section was completed and the car had stabilised. I am endeavouring to try to eliminate it from my gameplay, the decision to do this I am ashamed to admit is not from any personal desire, but from peer pressure.
I am now off to find your channel to subscribe.
Like deployed 👍
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why not try tc at level 2 and 3 and 4 to do a true comparison, ie the higher levels may not make that much difference
because, having too much traction control makes you a bit slower in the corners. i use traction control 1 and counter steering on strong when competing.. but if im just drifting with friends, i turn everything off.
Higher the tc the slower you are, a personal example is the audi r8 gr.3 is extremely hard not to spin with no tc but the Peugeot rcx gr.3 is super easy and consistent with no tc. Also there's a reason everyone near enough in top split A+ online don't run tc. Anyone reading this too ignore the persons comment above, countersteering is a massive no no that is a must for having turned off.
@@khcohcohckhvhl778yxu countersteering is litterally the worst thing in the game to have enabled, you need that off especially if your trying to compete with even mediocre drivers.
@@brettpearce8843 really? i dont have any problems with it. it actually keeps me from spinning out from pushing my car too hard. even on gt sport all the top drivers used it so i dont see why i cant either 😏
@@brettpearce8843 maybe its just me 🤷♀️
There are other ways to tame the back end as well.
Yep LSD being one!
Nice to see being right! :D :))
Its not that simple to drive good with tc on. inputs has to be gentle, otherwise tc kicks in way to hard and acceleration being dropped way to much.. So you need to reduce car sliding as much as possible, which without tc isnt that much important, and it saves tyres way better than without tc on ;)
TC shouldn't make you faster, if you're professional race driver. It depends on the car. Most very good drivers turn off the TC on a road car because it is faster.
GT3 race cars have excellent TC, so it makes sense why a normal driver would be faster with TC in that type of car. The biggest issue with TC in road cars is the way the system uses the brake to stop wheelspin, which is awful
In summary, no TC is faster, if you can do the job of TC better than the TC does. But if you can't, TC is faster... hardly news surely?
Er kinda I guess
He said famous saying from someone if you know you know. time (5:49)
there's no way to get the superlicense gold with TC on.
TC on It's way slower always. What you show is that you aren't good at throttle and brake management.
Why didn’t you try it on five?
I do much better lap times in the RCZ without it
Completely untrue as a blanket statement!
Comes down to the car and track.
There are some Circuit Experiences where TCS was waaay slower, even in a straight line!
Which ones?
Ehh I CAn lap alot quicker without it maybe on street tires but not racing
1st
21St lol
Like a hawk 🦅🦅🦅
This is the more important contest over being quick in the GT7 races! Massive congrats. ;)
first fool to post crap eh?
None of the quick guys use tc. It’s slower
Ah sério? Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
why do people yap for while with out getting to the point
What 😅
Tc doesn't make your car faster it makes it slower, thats a fact...learn how to drive without it and you'll see....good luck coming out of tight corners with your horrible acceleration with tc on...
Er
Could we get to the point, the Yammering is annoying..
It's about the journey 😅
Makes you wonder why real GT3 cars are equipped with traction control if it doesn't make you faster.
The nonsense of not using traction control comes from wannabe racing drivers on RUclips who spend thousands of Dollars, Pounds or Euros on their Sim racing rigs.
Must be some kind of machismo thing.
Think about it. Banning TC in F1 and other series wasn't about making laptimes faster. It was about making the cars harder to drive and laptimes less dependent on the genius of the engineers in the pits.
That's why GT3 cars are equipped with TC. These cars have to be driveable by professionals and amateurs alike.
GT3 is the same as F1. It's about driver skill. Driver aids are for cheaters, like aimbot for shooters, only in racing It's not cheating if you don't get caught. Gran Turismo simply forces you to play by the rules of the game. Irl, tires need to warm up to maximum grip and cars don't automatically spin when tires are worn, there's just an increasing amount of understeer. But in game, tires only have maximum grip for an irritatingly brief window which only affects player cars while the bots are practically invincible
so yeah, you proved it, if you suck, you need tc..
What 😅
Brah, if you're not on tc -2 your a noob playing a cartoon game.
Negative. Get good🤓
Big dawg in the house!
Still boycotting till the next game probably, unless this game is ever worth it which I doubt
Be waiting a few years at least then and kinda odd your even watching this vid if your not interested in gt7. 😅
You’re exactly right!