TCS 1-2 is the sweet spot for me. It allows you to focus on just driving and not being worried constantly about throttle oversteering and spinning. I have found it doesn’t slow me down at all. I do find that you just have to slightly change your driving style because you can’t rely as much on that oversteer rotation you get with no tc. So you can carry just slightly more speed through a corner and then be just ever so slightly more patient on throttle on exit so you don’t understeer wide. I do turn it completely off with FWD and AWD cars unless they have insane power and spin too much of throttle. If it’s a car that spins too much because of power then I may turn it to 1 to help with wheel spin. But most FWD and AWD cars are fine with TCS 0 as they don’t really get power oversteer
@@DanielAlvarez-o6nThe A+ guys who act like TCS banged their wife say "Nah, TCS 0 is .114 seconds per lap when I get it perfect." And then you see them losing time every lap as they almost bin it.
TCS definitely has its uses, and purposes. It's function is too reduce engine torque during a wheel slip event. Normally turned up to like 5, it will slow you down. But it's perfect for wet weather times. I normally never use it above 1. Most times at zero. But if I'm in a race where I can't change tires(like the Dayton road course gr.3 race for example) I use TCS set at 1 from the start, and then later around lap 7 or 8, I bump it up to 2. Maybe 3 on the last lap. Mostly because the tires get to worn and slippery feeling. TCS can help save tires, and it can also help from spinning out of control when tires are in bad shape. In any race where it rains, I will bump tcs up to 5. Even with the intermediate, or full wets, in my opinion it's a must to use TCS on full. That's my secret weapon in races where it rains. Throttle control is very important, but you can gain a bit of speed in wet weather using both throttle control and TCS. At least my experience and practice has been that I can really get moving in wet weather using TCS. But I also use higher gears than normal. Keep the engine rpm lower in higher gears, it was able to maintain a good deal of speed in a wet track.
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n well until anybody can beat me in a rain soaked race, or be one of the few 4% that have reached platinum, I think I know how to deal with it quite well
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n I highly doubt that lol. But by all means, post some of your videos up and show us. Until then, try not to let your ego get to far ahead that you start sounding like you don't know what you're talking about. Because you totally got triggered enough to do just that ...... Trust me, if you think that, you definitely aren't a top driver. And I'll entertain any lobby challenge you throw my way
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n all I hear is the sound of crickets. Did you get caught with your foot in your mouth? Go ahead any time now, let me know the name of the lobby and your online name tag.
Even on shifter karts, 1 TCS helps me. On cars that spin the tires and make me wreck I use 2. When it rains heavy and you don't have the right tire, I use 5. But as soon as I can I switch tires. You are right. There are cars that never need it. Some always, some under certain conditions only. You need to use the MFB and keep it set right. It is there for you as needed. It is a brilliant system. Gran Turismo is trying to help you, why not use it? Good video man.
Great video, I love that the difference is somewhat quantified! I typically drive road cars with 0, race cars with 1, and wet or other extreme cases with 2. It is so good to know that I'm only losing probably about a .1s compared to if I was driving with minimal wheelspin with TCS0. For me the stability is worth that much. If during a race I spin out once, then I lose much more than all those tenths per lap added together. Actually I just did the nurnburgring GP circuit experience, and found that that mercedes with TCS2 works even better for me, I could improve my lap times compared to the TCS1 setting, and I managed to get gold time.
It really depends on the car/track/tyre combination (not to mention weather). Gr4 you can do with no TCS, for some Gr3 it is beneficial. I do use it for some older american cars, they have a lot of power and no traction, so usually it is a good tradeoff to minimize mistakes in a race.
The way I look at it, if you are having a hard time keeping the car facing the correct way down the race track in time trial, aka car spinning around, use tcs. Loosing a tenth or 2 is better than recovering from a spin.
The problem is some people just start using TCS to avoid spin and stay like this forever. If they only did this while learning to not spin with TCS 0, then stopped using TCS, your think would be perfect
@@efenba That is a wrong attitude to begin with. F1 and group E are the only classes that race without TCS. Gr3 and Gr4 practically have to use TCS. The cars are so performance heavy, they will spin the tires off the rims if you don't use TCS, IRL
@@OGSomeOne TCS in GT is not meant to act the same way as IRL. So you can't use this "its like this IRL" logic. Lots of things in GT don't replicate IRL behavior. Not because PD is lazy or don't know how to do it, but because GT intent is to be accessible. So they do somethings in their own way. TCS is one of them.
@@OGSomeOne lol dude I have been watching every single video for the last 3 years or so. They didn't made TCS better, they adjusted how much TCS is applied at each setting. Its literary written in the update notes: "Controls for the Traction Control (TCS) have been adjusted. The amount of intervention when set to '1' has been reduced, and increased when set to '5';" So (theoretical values): TCS before: 1 = 20% strength, 2 = 40%, 3 = 60%, 4 = 80%, 5 = 100% TCS now: 1 = 5% strength, 2 = 20%, 3 = 50%, 4 = 100%, 5 = 150% That's why it seems better, its weaker at lower values, which most people use. TCS will never become the norm. TCS in GT is an accessibility feature, an assist. And GT is already accessible as is. Unless they change the physics to make it a "full sim", which we all know will never happen as this is not GT intent.
Turning of the TC in some cars is just crazy, gr1,2’s and some 3’s. Some high DR drivers are so stubborn about using it even when you see their cars twitching out of corners or spinning and they just lose time. Driving with it off just makes me over cautious and ultimately makes me slower, TC1 on and just focus on the racing suits me most races, sometimes more👍🏽
In the case of 917 Living Legend for Nations using TC at 1 helped me a lot and using high values makes this car slower, well, I'm a B driver, FF Gr4 cars are possible to use without TC but other cars are impossible to use without TC in my case.
Brilliant video. Excellent description of TCS in operation. For us non-ranked drivers with lead feet, TCS is a must for exits out of tight corners, otherwise we spin off into walls or lose so much time while battling to get the rear end under control. Keep these sorts of vids coming! 👍👍👍👍
My experience is a bit different. As an example: I chose the Genesis X for the manufacturers cup, a car that has a loose rear especially with RH and RM. For Nords I'll go with TCS2 as a safety precaution not to spin out in the first sectors where I have to use 2nd gear on corner exits. I try to use the throttle as if I had no TCS but don't always succeed. The moment TCS kicks in I loose at least a tenth of a second, sometimes even more, which adds up on the long run. I see it in the delta and also feel it through he wheel rim. Now I am not an advocate of No TCS. If it helps me, I'll use it too. But overall it makes me slower if you neglect the safety aspect of not most likely not spinning out, especially at Nords.
TCS always makes you slower or at least in Gran Turismo 7, most of GT, GR1 cars do have TCS in real life, sadly TCS in Gran Turismo 7 is quite aggressive for my liking, in ACC TCS is probably best implemented From my own experience or rather my brother experience, my brother in GT7 with TCS and CSA he could compete with fastest drivers in Daily Races every time, same in GT Sports, he never run for whole time TCS, he changed settings from corner to corner, in one corner he run TCS 1, in other 2 etc and on the straights he turned off TCS , sometimes he forgot he turned off TCS and he floored throttle 🤦 Did you tried CSA? I used to use it with good success and worked for me,you can try and see if it's better than TCS, for wet racing or rain, TCS is definitely better idea Another thing with TCS, with TCS on, your tyre wear is much worse than off plus understeer with TCS as well is quite a bad, plus braking as well not sure if its same but I think is bit worse? Personally I never judge people who use TCS and CSA and other aids, some people and streamers do judge for using aids
In short, it depends on your skill level as well as the car characteristics, such as but not limited to drivetrain, weight, how easy it turns, etc. Usually, I use it to avoid spinning out and 1 to 2 is enough for most cases. 3 will be needed if you are on a super high power car, and 5 when there's heavy rain, but some times 0 if the car is predictable
in my experience with GT7 and TC 1 or 2 is only effective when racing a more powerfull car that is prone to tail slides on tun exit, e.g. the Gr3 Supra. it's beneficial for me because I don't have the foot-mucle-memory to not floor it when exiting turns. On your case, you already have that muscle memory and experience not to press on the accelerator too much on turn exits because you are used to TC 0, so putting any numbers (aside from 4 or 5) won't make much of a difference for you. for me I usually race TC1 and only put TC 2 for the Supra or Genesis in Gr.3 cars as a fail-safe
It’s worth throwing out there that if your skill/experience aren’t where his are (like a throttle masher for instance) especially with high power cars,that you may have to have TCS until you “grow” 😊. My default has always been 1, and then I adjust up or down from there. @polyphonydigital please make TCS a CAR tuning setting rather than a game tuning setting. I am just now working on learning to “steer” with the throttle in tighter corners to rotate the rear a little more.
TC1 gives me sometimes mental speed in GR2 and GR1. I have more confidence to go early on throttle. Also with difficult cars I make less mistakes on TS1 so overall I’m faster. Especially when my tires are dead. Of course it limits my progress to avoid mistakes in long term, but makes game more enjoyable.
Great explanation. I think TCS will have more impact on corners like Monza chicane in GR3 machinery for example. The curbs can unsettle the car resulting in power oversteer, so with TCS you can go flat out over the curbs. But Variante Ascari TCS will slow you down, it holds the car back occasionally when it's not needed. Turning off TCS made me faster eventually. Not because TCS itself, but because I understood physics better and was more aware on what I was doing.
For me in GR2 I can't drive without TCS at 2. If I reduce it the car escapes me at each turn exit. So OK you ride without TCS, but what setting (help) do you have and what machine setting do you have to compensate for the absence of TCS?
Professionals in the GR.3 class IRL usually set it to the lowest setting, so that's what I do and keep it at 0 for GR.4. In Round 3 during Online Qualifiers of the Manufacturer's Cup. I was matching a lot of A+ ranked drivers in the first sector, but I ended up losing more than a second in the 2nd and 3rd sectors. I had traction control set to 1. It's pretty safe to say that traction control set to 0 will always be quickest in a game like Gran Turismo, but finding consistency during a race is completely different than putting down a qualifying laptime where your focused on absolutely nailing that one perfect lap. For a lot of people like myself, we have to find the right compromise since we don't have the talent of A+ rated drivers. I'm an A | S rated driver, but I know that I probably don't have the talent to be an A+ rated driver because I only drive in cockpit mode for the immersion 😂😂😂
The way i see TCS iis that for really good driver who generally almost never spin the wheels, having it at 1, 2 or 3 probably wont change anything cause the TCS wouldnt have to work that much or at all. Thats why you dont see it slowing you down. For average driver who arent perfect in corner and spin the wheel more often, they will feel like TCS is slowing them down cause it cuts the power but is it really slowing you down in that specific corner, losing a ten or two versus losing it and meeting the barrier or sand. For those players, they just need to understand that if TCS is slowing you down and cutting power its because of your driving that you need to improve (Use the right gear, dont be too aggresive or too early on gas) Im a Dr B driver, i still use TCS 1 mostly and sometimes 2 on car that tend to oversteer more and TCS still save my life a couple turns in a race. Like i said i prefer losing couples tens than losing it completely and i know that went TCS feels like its slowing me down its because there is something wrong with my driving. Using TCS on 0 can help showing you how to improve your driving and take better turn but i would use it in time trial and not in a race unless you dont mind the higher risk of crashing it and losing DR.
And btw you do not have a lue about tcs this whole comment is wrong tcs will slow you down period because on gt tcs messes with your steering angle there is tons of videos on it and it is different for every car but youll notice it the most in gt3 cars that rhere is difference in your steering angle with tcs on On top of that it is perfectly possible to drive without tcs flawlessly when you pay a bit more attention to what the hell you are doing and with your driver rating being far far from top split how did you become a tcs soecialist ??? Yea buddy stop blowing hot air and bs in peoples faces
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n The amount of effort you are putting in to trolling is somewhere between laughable and genuinely concerning. Are you aware that we don't care what a stranger on the internet thinks or how they drive?
I mostly want the setup default to be representative if what I'm driving. Would be great if there was a 'car-auto' setting that respected what the real-world car gives you. Of course manual setting from track cars where it's available.
Hello. :) I got mine set at 2 on default. I can’t handle it with the tc turned off. Love your videos. :) Just out of curiosity, what is your fastest time around Mount Panorama in gr2 (no nos)? Does tc make a difference? I’m at low 1:44/high 1:43. And I can not get any faster. Can u make the magic 1:42 and show us how? Thank you for the lesson. I will give it a try on and off. Sincerely Viddler. :)
When tires are worn, maybe yes, less risk to spin. To save tires, I think its the opposite cause when you are using TCS you become really aggressive on throttle, increasing tirewear. I think you only save tires with TCS 4 or 5, with 1 or 2, if you are agressive, car will still spin (a bit) and waste rubber.
I've found it absolutely does. My best example is the gr3 race at the Daytona road course. When you pit, you can only get enough fuel to finish the race, or you'll finish last. I used TCS to help save the tires, or myself from spinning out when the tires get worn down. Simply because the tires will get worn pretty bad in that race. It's probably the toughest solo race in the entire game. I always start that race with TCS set at 1. By lap 6 or 7, I bump it up to 2. If I start getting a little loose on the last lap, I'll bump it up to 3 or 4. It's a tough race to win regardless, but I've managed to win it while using TCS as a tool. Not so much as an assist.
Feel like comparing TCS isn’t going to give different results to a drivers who’s DR is already A+, you’re not going to drive any differently than you normally do with or without it, this conclusion tells me if I ever reach A+ I shouldn’t feel ashamed to keep TCS on low. A possibly better test would be to show the difference it has for an amateur driver who hasn’t got great exit technique, isn’t unwinding their wheel sufficiently when accelerating or has a heavy foot.
1 tcs on high preforming cars with rwd (old cars no) and slow cars also not cars fwd and awd 4wd i dont use it bc you need more torquefor grip in that cars if you lose grip
I guess the big difference is when using the ps5 controller. I'm driving with controller with x for accelarstion and # for Brake and Automatic gear shifting. Without trc some cars are not even driveable. There is a huge difference between a wheel Setup and a Controller with auto shifting.
@@scarfejs_ The reason is that I don't have much time for playing and I just want to jump into the game and race a little pit without practice. I'm using this videos to get to know the track, the race lines, best car and so on so that I have at least the chance for good competition.
I've always either go with zero or lvl2. 1 seems less predictable and seems worse then without. If you are spinning out and getting frustrated with gt7 tcs lvl2 could be your answer until your consistent. Even a couple of close saves where your almost crash is way slower then tcs2.
Yes. Turn that off. It's my opinion that you'll be a better driver if you turn those kinds of assists off, and just learn to control your inputs just like if you were in the car. But if you're using a hand controller instead of a wheel, then maybe those assists are more useful. The counter steering assist can be useful on the dirt and snow races. Even with a wheel. I cannot stand the physics of the off-road races in GT7. They're terrible. Kinda wish polyphany would remove the off-road racing.
Very interesting discussion here, as an A+ controller who just turned off CSA this year, i dont feel that much differences between CSA on and CSA off in terms of pacing, but it definitely helps stabilizing the car IMO, for instance MRs through Suzuka Degna 1 and 2, or hard tires on poor traction FRs like GTR and BRZ, i turned it back on in last season manufacturers bathrust just coz i was using BRZ and it was hard tires only
I never use TCS because it slows me,i have a very bad feeling in turn exit with these cuts of power(Also with the rain) and the tyres wear out equally for the more aggressive use of throttle. More than an assist it's a malus
It's funny how some guys think TCS is for babies. Was on a wet track and half of the cars kept spinning out because they refuse to use TCS, strange. They'd rather lose the car.
Suzuka at Exhibition Manu last year and Daily C at Spa recently, I used TC at 3, both with Mazda RX and I finished 4th from last (Suzuka) and winning with inter tyres destroyed at Spa meanwhile others who feel are the coolest driving without TC were struggling with rain and spinning a lot.
No TCS will give you a better understanding of the limits of the car. So for learning it is much better imho. In a race it is up to you, but i would only use TCS in cars which actually have TCS. To keep some realism ;)
@@sirpuntalot1282 thats not even true tcs rubs away those limits and you cant fe3l shit anymore it just prevents you from going over the limit or even getting close to it because it cancels that out your fucking full of it and that stupid tcs you really think its magic 🤣🤣🤣
Hello and everyone! Hum... I'm using TCS only when rain is hard with powerfull cars... why didn't you show the how powerfull TCS can be when driving hard tires on wet conditions? I think this is the most usefull way to use it ;p
Great analysis. And for the average player it dispels the myth that other RUclipsrs like to put out(TC snobbery) that you will be so much slower if you use it. Use whatever you feel comfortable with and you will progress faster to not using it.
TCS strongly depends on your equipment. If you have a full fanatec setup you can likely learn to handle TCS0. If you’re using a cheaper wheel and pedals. TC1 may help make up for what you can’t fully feel. And you may need to go higher for controller.
@@Wanted797 now I agree with you. But you said "full fanatec setup you can likely learn to handle TCS0", which to me sounds like "... but you can't learn that with any other wheel, only with a full fanatec setup". And that is not true.
TCS only kicks in when wheels slip. In most of the corners in your video you go from 0% throttle to 100% throttle immediately. If you can do that with TCS 0 without spinning, then TCS 1-5 won't make a difference. If you have to carefully work on the throttle for accelerating out of a corner (RWD with high power for instance), then TCS will help you not spin. But typically it will reduce more power than necessary. A little slide can be managed and will be faster. This is why TCS 1 will be faster than TCS 5 but might not protect you fully from wheel slip and spinning. TCS 0 will let you handle all. More risk, but more gain. When wet TCS will help much more because it is much more difficult to fine tune throttle without spinning. So it would be good to see comparisons out of corners where throttle has to be managed and also in the wet ;)
I think you misunderstood TCS. For reference, there’s a TCS icon down there in your dashboard, which even if you set to >0, it doesn’t activate until your car goes through some wheel spin or literally losing traction, which the icon will turn red. In some of the instances you tried in your video, there was no difference between 0 and >0 simply because the icon didn’t turn red and your car didn’t lose traction whatsoever
You still only use 80% throttle on exit til you straighten up as though you aren't using TCS, so you are slower, if I use TCS 2 or 3, I flatten the throttle at the apex and can be fastest on track.
Very useless test. People like you, shouldn't test it(no offence - you are just to experienced for it). If you know how to drive - there won't be a huge difference. Imagine a person getting out of a corner and flooring the throttle pedal. With TCS he will be able to drive, but will loose a lot of speed. If he will turn it off - he will spin. And this is the reason people recommend to turn it off. To understand what are you doing wrong, and to understand that there are more options of using throttle than just on and off
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TCS 1-2 is the sweet spot for me. It allows you to focus on just driving and not being worried constantly about throttle oversteering and spinning. I have found it doesn’t slow me down at all. I do find that you just have to slightly change your driving style because you can’t rely as much on that oversteer rotation you get with no tc. So you can carry just slightly more speed through a corner and then be just ever so slightly more patient on throttle on exit so you don’t understeer wide. I do turn it completely off with FWD and AWD cars unless they have insane power and spin too much of throttle. If it’s a car that spins too much because of power then I may turn it to 1 to help with wheel spin. But most FWD and AWD cars are fine with TCS 0 as they don’t really get power oversteer
Ah so it makes you lazy and when its turned off again you cant drive the car at a certain point because you got used to tcs now 🤣🤣🤣
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n you just explained driving a race car....... and that's funny why?
I generally run TCS at 1 for my cars because it allows just enough wheelspin but at the same time prevents them from becoming undrivable.
@@DanielAlvarez-o6nThe A+ guys who act like TCS banged their wife say "Nah, TCS 0 is .114 seconds per lap when I get it perfect." And then you see them losing time every lap as they almost bin it.
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n Shame - you can't figure out how to get fast with TCS? Keep practicing mate!
TCS definitely has its uses, and purposes. It's function is too reduce engine torque during a wheel slip event. Normally turned up to like 5, it will slow you down. But it's perfect for wet weather times.
I normally never use it above 1. Most times at zero. But if I'm in a race where I can't change tires(like the Dayton road course gr.3 race for example) I use TCS set at 1 from the start, and then later around lap 7 or 8, I bump it up to 2. Maybe 3 on the last lap. Mostly because the tires get to worn and slippery feeling. TCS can help save tires, and it can also help from spinning out of control when tires are in bad shape.
In any race where it rains, I will bump tcs up to 5. Even with the intermediate, or full wets, in my opinion it's a must to use TCS on full. That's my secret weapon in races where it rains. Throttle control is very important, but you can gain a bit of speed in wet weather using both throttle control and TCS. At least my experience and practice has been that I can really get moving in wet weather using TCS. But I also use higher gears than normal. Keep the engine rpm lower in higher gears, it was able to maintain a good deal of speed in a wet track.
If you learn to deal.with that yourself you actually develop the skill to drive on slippery tires more easily
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n well until anybody can beat me in a rain soaked race, or be one of the few 4% that have reached platinum, I think I know how to deal with it quite well
@@boosted0079 yea by usimg TCS thats gonne slow you down thats why that 4 % like me gets your ass
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n I highly doubt that lol. But by all means, post some of your videos up and show us. Until then, try not to let your ego get to far ahead that you start sounding like you don't know what you're talking about. Because you totally got triggered enough to do just that ...... Trust me, if you think that, you definitely aren't a top driver. And I'll entertain any lobby challenge you throw my way
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n all I hear is the sound of crickets. Did you get caught with your foot in your mouth? Go ahead any time now, let me know the name of the lobby and your online name tag.
Even on shifter karts, 1 TCS helps me. On cars that spin the tires and make me wreck I use 2. When it rains heavy and you don't have the right tire, I use 5. But as soon as I can I switch tires. You are right. There are cars that never need it. Some always, some under certain conditions only. You need to use the MFB and keep it set right. It is there for you as needed. It is a brilliant system. Gran Turismo is trying to help you, why not use it? Good video man.
Great video, I love that the difference is somewhat quantified! I typically drive road cars with 0, race cars with 1, and wet or other extreme cases with 2. It is so good to know that I'm only losing probably about a .1s compared to if I was driving with minimal wheelspin with TCS0. For me the stability is worth that much. If during a race I spin out once, then I lose much more than all those tenths per lap added together. Actually I just did the nurnburgring GP circuit experience, and found that that mercedes with TCS2 works even better for me, I could improve my lap times compared to the TCS1 setting, and I managed to get gold time.
I`ve been using TCS in 1 (only in GT3 cars) for a long time now and my results are sooo much better!
Me too, saves my ass un lobbies
Reminds me of Wec in Imola last week. Gt3 cars in the rain with tcs on overtaking hypercars like it's nothing because they dont have tcs.
It really depends on the car/track/tyre combination (not to mention weather). Gr4 you can do with no TCS, for some Gr3 it is beneficial. I do use it for some older american cars, they have a lot of power and no traction, so usually it is a good tradeoff to minimize mistakes in a race.
On streetcars its still a big no no and it will slow you down
The way I look at it, if you are having a hard time keeping the car facing the correct way down the race track in time trial, aka car spinning around, use tcs. Loosing a tenth or 2 is better than recovering from a spin.
The problem is some people just start using TCS to avoid spin and stay like this forever. If they only did this while learning to not spin with TCS 0, then stopped using TCS, your think would be perfect
@@efenba That is a wrong attitude to begin with. F1 and group E are the only classes that race without TCS. Gr3 and Gr4 practically have to use TCS. The cars are so performance heavy, they will spin the tires off the rims if you don't use TCS, IRL
@@OGSomeOne TCS in GT is not meant to act the same way as IRL. So you can't use this "its like this IRL" logic. Lots of things in GT don't replicate IRL behavior. Not because PD is lazy or don't know how to do it, but because GT intent is to be accessible. So they do somethings in their own way. TCS is one of them.
@efenba you need to go watch digit gaming video. TCS in gt7 is being made better. TCS 2 and 3 will become the norm in the near future, I think
@@OGSomeOne lol dude I have been watching every single video for the last 3 years or so.
They didn't made TCS better, they adjusted how much TCS is applied at each setting. Its literary written in the update notes:
"Controls for the Traction Control (TCS) have been adjusted. The amount of intervention when set to '1' has been reduced, and increased when set to '5';"
So (theoretical values):
TCS before: 1 = 20% strength, 2 = 40%, 3 = 60%, 4 = 80%, 5 = 100%
TCS now: 1 = 5% strength, 2 = 20%, 3 = 50%, 4 = 100%, 5 = 150%
That's why it seems better, its weaker at lower values, which most people use.
TCS will never become the norm. TCS in GT is an accessibility feature, an assist. And GT is already accessible as is. Unless they change the physics to make it a "full sim", which we all know will never happen as this is not GT intent.
Turning of the TC in some cars is just crazy, gr1,2’s and some 3’s. Some high DR drivers are so stubborn about using it even when you see their cars twitching out of corners or spinning and they just lose time. Driving with it off just makes me over cautious and ultimately makes me slower, TC1 on and just focus on the racing suits me most races, sometimes more👍🏽
In the case of 917 Living Legend for Nations using TC at 1 helped me a lot and using high values makes this car slower, well, I'm a B driver, FF Gr4 cars are possible to use without TC but other cars are impossible to use without TC in my case.
Brilliant video. Excellent description of TCS in operation. For us non-ranked drivers with lead feet, TCS is a must for exits out of tight corners, otherwise we spin off into walls or lose so much time while battling to get the rear end under control. Keep these sorts of vids coming! 👍👍👍👍
You need to learn to calm down and relax seriously
My experience is a bit different. As an example: I chose the Genesis X for the manufacturers cup, a car that has a loose rear especially with RH and RM. For Nords I'll go with TCS2 as a safety precaution not to spin out in the first sectors where I have to use 2nd gear on corner exits. I try to use the throttle as if I had no TCS but don't always succeed. The moment TCS kicks in I loose at least a tenth of a second, sometimes even more, which adds up on the long run. I see it in the delta and also feel it through he wheel rim. Now I am not an advocate of No TCS. If it helps me, I'll use it too. But overall it makes me slower if you neglect the safety aspect of not most likely not spinning out, especially at Nords.
TCS always makes you slower or at least in Gran Turismo 7, most of GT, GR1 cars do have TCS in real life, sadly TCS in Gran Turismo 7 is quite aggressive for my liking, in ACC TCS is probably best implemented
From my own experience or rather my brother experience, my brother in GT7 with TCS and CSA he could compete with fastest drivers in Daily Races every time, same in GT Sports, he never run for whole time TCS, he changed settings from corner to corner, in one corner he run TCS 1, in other 2 etc and on the straights he turned off TCS , sometimes he forgot he turned off TCS and he floored throttle 🤦
Did you tried CSA? I used to use it with good success and worked for me,you can try and see if it's better than TCS, for wet racing or rain, TCS is definitely better idea
Another thing with TCS, with TCS on, your tyre wear is much worse than off plus understeer with TCS as well is quite a bad, plus braking as well not sure if its same but I think is bit worse?
Personally I never judge people who use TCS and CSA and other aids, some people and streamers do judge for using aids
In short, it depends on your skill level as well as the car characteristics, such as but not limited to drivetrain, weight, how easy it turns, etc. Usually, I use it to avoid spinning out and 1 to 2 is enough for most cases. 3 will be needed if you are on a super high power car, and 5 when there's heavy rain, but some times 0 if the car is predictable
in my experience with GT7 and TC 1 or 2 is only effective when racing a more powerfull car that is prone to tail slides on tun exit, e.g. the Gr3 Supra. it's beneficial for me because I don't have the foot-mucle-memory to not floor it when exiting turns.
On your case, you already have that muscle memory and experience not to press on the accelerator too much on turn exits because you are used to TC 0, so putting any numbers (aside from 4 or 5) won't make much of a difference for you.
for me I usually race TC1 and only put TC 2 for the Supra or Genesis in Gr.3 cars as a fail-safe
It’s worth throwing out there that if your skill/experience aren’t where his are (like a throttle masher for instance) especially with high power cars,that you may have to have TCS until you “grow” 😊.
My default has always been 1, and then I adjust up or down from there.
@polyphonydigital please make TCS a CAR tuning setting rather than a game tuning setting.
I am just now working on learning to “steer” with the throttle in tighter corners to rotate the rear a little more.
TC1 gives me sometimes mental speed in GR2 and GR1. I have more confidence to go early on throttle. Also with difficult cars I make less mistakes on TS1 so overall I’m faster. Especially when my tires are dead. Of course it limits my progress to avoid mistakes in long term, but makes game more enjoyable.
Great explanation. I think TCS will have more impact on corners like Monza chicane in GR3 machinery for example. The curbs can unsettle the car resulting in power oversteer, so with TCS you can go flat out over the curbs. But Variante Ascari TCS will slow you down, it holds the car back occasionally when it's not needed.
Turning off TCS made me faster eventually. Not because TCS itself, but because I understood physics better and was more aware on what I was doing.
For me in GR2 I can't drive without TCS at 2. If I reduce it the car escapes me at each turn exit. So OK you ride without TCS, but what setting (help) do you have and what machine setting do you have to compensate for the absence of TCS?
Good stuff, boss! Things on this game have changed so much, so you have to be on top of it
Professionals in the GR.3 class IRL usually set it to the lowest setting, so that's what I do and keep it at 0 for GR.4. In Round 3 during Online Qualifiers of the Manufacturer's Cup. I was matching a lot of A+ ranked drivers in the first sector, but I ended up losing more than a second in the 2nd and 3rd sectors. I had traction control set to 1. It's pretty safe to say that traction control set to 0 will always be quickest in a game like Gran Turismo, but finding consistency during a race is completely different than putting down a qualifying laptime where your focused on absolutely nailing that one perfect lap. For a lot of people like myself, we have to find the right compromise since we don't have the talent of A+ rated drivers. I'm an A | S rated driver, but I know that I probably don't have the talent to be an A+ rated driver because I only drive in cockpit mode for the immersion 😂😂😂
The way i see TCS iis that for really good driver who generally almost never spin the wheels, having it at 1, 2 or 3 probably wont change anything cause the TCS wouldnt have to work that much or at all. Thats why you dont see it slowing you down.
For average driver who arent perfect in corner and spin the wheel more often, they will feel like TCS is slowing them down cause it cuts the power but is it really slowing you down in that specific corner, losing a ten or two versus losing it and meeting the barrier or sand. For those players, they just need to understand that if TCS is slowing you down and cutting power its because of your driving that you need to improve (Use the right gear, dont be too aggresive or too early on gas)
Im a Dr B driver, i still use TCS 1 mostly and sometimes 2 on car that tend to oversteer more and TCS still save my life a couple turns in a race. Like i said i prefer losing couples tens than losing it completely and i know that went TCS feels like its slowing me down its because there is something wrong with my driving. Using TCS on 0 can help showing you how to improve your driving and take better turn but i would use it in time trial and not in a race unless you dont mind the higher risk of crashing it and losing DR.
Yea you dont spin the wheels with tcs so is he a really good driver or is tcs helping him you choose
And btw you do not have a lue about tcs this whole comment is wrong tcs will slow you down period because on gt tcs messes with your steering angle there is tons of videos on it and it is different for every car but youll notice it the most in gt3 cars that rhere is difference in your steering angle with tcs on
On top of that it is perfectly possible to drive without tcs flawlessly when you pay a bit more attention to what the hell you are doing and with your driver rating being far far from top split how did you become a tcs soecialist ??? Yea buddy stop blowing hot air and bs in peoples faces
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n The amount of effort you are putting in to trolling is somewhere between laughable and genuinely concerning. Are you aware that we don't care what a stranger on the internet thinks or how they drive?
Do you think you could do a similar video comparing tyre compounds & their performance differences?
I could in the future, that's on the list for sure.
I mostly want the setup default to be representative if what I'm driving. Would be great if there was a 'car-auto' setting that respected what the real-world car gives you.
Of course manual setting from track cars where it's available.
Lmfao put on the street tyres drive 10 to 20 km slower in every corner we dont care there is entire groups doing thatgo join them
Hello. :)
I got mine set at 2 on default. I can’t handle it with the tc turned off.
Love your videos. :)
Just out of curiosity, what is your fastest time around Mount Panorama in gr2 (no nos)? Does tc make a difference? I’m at low 1:44/high 1:43. And I can not get any faster. Can u make the magic 1:42 and show us how?
Thank you for the lesson. I will give it a try on and off.
Sincerely Viddler. :)
So won't TCS be more helpful when tires are worn?
I find in the longer races on tc1 it helps with Tyre Wear
That's how I use it.
When tires are worn, maybe yes, less risk to spin.
To save tires, I think its the opposite cause when you are using TCS you become really aggressive on throttle, increasing tirewear. I think you only save tires with TCS 4 or 5, with 1 or 2, if you are agressive, car will still spin (a bit) and waste rubber.
I bump it up in the rain. Since I watched the lsd video I have lowered tcs in general, my (default, beginning) setup is generally tcs 1.
I've found it absolutely does. My best example is the gr3 race at the Daytona road course. When you pit, you can only get enough fuel to finish the race, or you'll finish last. I used TCS to help save the tires, or myself from spinning out when the tires get worn down. Simply because the tires will get worn pretty bad in that race. It's probably the toughest solo race in the entire game. I always start that race with TCS set at 1. By lap 6 or 7, I bump it up to 2. If I start getting a little loose on the last lap, I'll bump it up to 3 or 4. It's a tough race to win regardless, but I've managed to win it while using TCS as a tool. Not so much as an assist.
I only use TCS when I'm down to the last laps on worn tires with no desire to lose the lead for pitting.
I usually run TCS on 1 for GT3 cars and 0 for GT4 cars. Helps me catching slides easier.
Great vid 👍 Any chance of an ABS test next ?
Feel like comparing TCS isn’t going to give different results to a drivers who’s DR is already A+, you’re not going to drive any differently than you normally do with or without it, this conclusion tells me if I ever reach A+ I shouldn’t feel ashamed to keep TCS on low. A possibly better test would be to show the difference it has for an amateur driver who hasn’t got great exit technique, isn’t unwinding their wheel sufficiently when accelerating or has a heavy foot.
Tc 1 is the mostly needed one.. from tc2 upward😅s is basically for tunned musle cars only
Yea really lovely and all.but this doesnt apply to tuned streetcars turning of tcs lets you know if your tune is good enough to handle the corners
Thanks Girard, I've been wondering how much of an impact TCS had on times.
What are your Favorite top 3 Cars in group 3 and 4 atm?
1 tcs on high preforming cars with rwd (old cars no) and slow cars also not cars fwd and awd 4wd i dont use it bc you need more torquefor grip in that cars if you lose grip
How about rain though?
I guess the big difference is when using the ps5 controller. I'm driving with controller with x for accelarstion and # for Brake and Automatic gear shifting. Without trc some cars are not even driveable.
There is a huge difference between a wheel Setup and a Controller with auto shifting.
Is there is a reason you refrain from having fun? Try motions sense controll, get used to it, shift with R1 and L1 , Power and Brake with L2 and R2
@@scarfejs_ The reason is that I don't have much time for playing and I just want to jump into the game and race a little pit without practice. I'm using this videos to get to know the track, the race lines, best car and so on so that I have at least the chance for good competition.
I've always either go with zero or lvl2. 1 seems less predictable and seems worse then without. If you are spinning out and getting frustrated with gt7 tcs lvl2 could be your answer until your consistent. Even a couple of close saves where your almost crash is way slower then tcs2.
Try using higher powered cars around the full nurburgring
if im using active stability management and countersteering assistance on strong .. is that slowing me down ??? on all GR cars
Yes, I never found a benefit of ASM. Countersteering seems to work really well on weak.
Yes. Turn that off. It's my opinion that you'll be a better driver if you turn those kinds of assists off, and just learn to control your inputs just like if you were in the car. But if you're using a hand controller instead of a wheel, then maybe those assists are more useful.
The counter steering assist can be useful on the dirt and snow races. Even with a wheel. I cannot stand the physics of the off-road races in GT7. They're terrible. Kinda wish polyphany would remove the off-road racing.
yea i use steering wheel. but i need these assists on when i drive certain cars . mainly the genesis x gr3 and MR cars … i spin out otherwise
Very interesting discussion here, as an A+ controller who just turned off CSA this year, i dont feel that much differences between CSA on and CSA off in terms of pacing, but it definitely helps stabilizing the car IMO, for instance MRs through Suzuka Degna 1 and 2, or hard tires on poor traction FRs like GTR and BRZ, i turned it back on in last season manufacturers bathrust just coz i was using BRZ and it was hard tires only
@@sorjarwai4257 at bathurst if i went down that corkscrew section wivout assists on , i would most likely loose control lol .
I never use TCS because it slows me,i have a very bad feeling in turn exit with these cuts of power(Also with the rain) and the tyres wear out equally for the more aggressive use of throttle.
More than an assist it's a malus
It gives me more confidence with TCS 1 driving GT3
Hi,can make a video about brake balance?
ruclips.net/video/ZsK3_tRXPMw/видео.htmlsi=iVtsfPYE3T43ezPV
thank you very much 👍
Seems to depend on the car, I usually run the 911 so tc slows you down way too much
Thanks 👍
Thanks for the video. It is a big debate if it helps or not to use it or not
It's funny how some guys think TCS is for babies. Was on a wet track and half of the cars kept spinning out because they refuse to use TCS, strange. They'd rather lose the car.
Suzuka at Exhibition Manu last year and Daily C at Spa recently, I used TC at 3, both with Mazda RX and I finished 4th from last (Suzuka) and winning with inter tyres destroyed at Spa meanwhile others who feel are the coolest driving without TC were struggling with rain and spinning a lot.
No TCS will give you a better understanding of the limits of the car. So for learning it is much better imho. In a race it is up to you, but i would only use TCS in cars which actually have TCS. To keep some realism ;)
In gran turismo it is in real life it saves lives
@@sirpuntalot1282 thats not even true tcs rubs away those limits and you cant fe3l shit anymore it just prevents you from going over the limit or even getting close to it because it cancels that out your fucking full of it and that stupid tcs you really think its magic 🤣🤣🤣
@@DanielAlvarez-o6n Not in F1 😉
Hello and everyone! Hum... I'm using TCS only when rain is hard with powerfull cars... why didn't you show the how powerfull TCS can be when driving hard tires on wet conditions? I think this is the most usefull way to use it ;p
Tc 1 helps me with gr.2 and other fast touchy cars. It doesnt help in slower cars and classes though.
Great analysis. And for the average player it dispels the myth that other RUclipsrs like to put out(TC snobbery) that you will be so much slower if you use it. Use whatever you feel comfortable with and you will progress faster to not using it.
It used to be true until a year ago. Now it's more realistic, in real lice GT3 all drivers use TC1-2-3 out of 12 levels
Maybe the impact on the tire wear is missing in this video. Thanks anyway.
I end up using tcs when I can’t stay calm in race lol
Great video, like number 100😊👍🙋🇨🇦
TCS strongly depends on your equipment.
If you have a full fanatec setup you can likely learn to handle TCS0.
If you’re using a cheaper wheel and pedals. TC1 may help make up for what you can’t fully feel.
And you may need to go higher for controller.
Not true, you can use TCS 0 with a cheap wheel and controller.
@@efenba not saying you can’t.
It’s just more difficult.
@@Wanted797 now I agree with you.
But you said "full fanatec setup you can likely learn to handle TCS0", which to me sounds like "... but you can't learn that with any other wheel, only with a full fanatec setup". And that is not true.
I’ve learned to stay away from Tcs and learn more throttle control it’s just all patience and timing.
TCS only kicks in when wheels slip. In most of the corners in your video you go from 0% throttle to 100% throttle immediately. If you can do that with TCS 0 without spinning, then TCS 1-5 won't make a difference. If you have to carefully work on the throttle for accelerating out of a corner (RWD with high power for instance), then TCS will help you not spin. But typically it will reduce more power than necessary. A little slide can be managed and will be faster. This is why TCS 1 will be faster than TCS 5 but might not protect you fully from wheel slip and spinning. TCS 0 will let you handle all. More risk, but more gain. When wet TCS will help much more because it is much more difficult to fine tune throttle without spinning. So it would be good to see comparisons out of corners where throttle has to be managed and also in the wet ;)
I think you misunderstood TCS. For reference, there’s a TCS icon down there in your dashboard, which even if you set to >0, it doesn’t activate until your car goes through some wheel spin or literally losing traction, which the icon will turn red. In some of the instances you tried in your video, there was no difference between 0 and >0 simply because the icon didn’t turn red and your car didn’t lose traction whatsoever
F tcs..I never use it.with 1-5 you lose immediate throttle..throttle control is car control
You still only use 80% throttle on exit til you straighten up as though you aren't using TCS, so you are slower, if I use TCS 2 or 3, I flatten the throttle at the apex and can be fastest on track.
You push the pedal 100% but TCS kicks in and cuts power to 60%. So the guy with TCS 0 and 80% throttle is faster.
I was quicker this week with it on race b
Tc1 is only necessary for getting caught in the rain with certain cars at the LM700, otherwise you just bad
TCS always makes you slower don't use it
I dont use tcs
Very useless test. People like you, shouldn't test it(no offence - you are just to experienced for it). If you know how to drive - there won't be a huge difference. Imagine a person getting out of a corner and flooring the throttle pedal. With TCS he will be able to drive, but will loose a lot of speed. If he will turn it off - he will spin. And this is the reason people recommend to turn it off. To understand what are you doing wrong, and to understand that there are more options of using throttle than just on and off