Gran Turismo Is LYING To You (Extra Grip!)
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Is this extra grip FAIR or UNFAIR?? 👇👇
It's indeed fair. It gives an idea of how to actually race and create setup like in real life as the game is intended to be played.
Totally fair, but they should let us see our temps!!
Big votes for fair right now!
It is fair but implemented unfairly , how can they not display this critical information!?
Madness
100% Fair. theres learning to drive, and then theres learning to race!
Personally feel GT7 should offer either beginner/intermediate/expert data display options …. Some people have little to no interest in this but for those who do it’s massive! I also understand the aesthetic appearance of a relatively clean UI is also useful
That would be awesome.
That would actually be cool!!!
And if you get some really good UI designers this could definitely work!
Telemetry data in MFD UI would be nice to monitor on the fly. They surely thought out about this and probably gonna release on some update soon
The fact that tire temp is in the game but no way to see is pathetic.
Yeah kinda weird ngl
Yeah it’s really insane actually.. nobody would even know it existed if not for patch notes.. it’s just a complete mystery mechanic
@@clydeg4274 yeah I just get more critical it seems the more they do these things micros trans in the beginning then nerfing the money, legendary market, physics update almost yr later, penalty system etc.
Turn off TCS and do a burnout. You'll see the slightest red line around your tires. Nearly invisible, totally useless.
It's also only visible when your tires are overheated, thus even more useless
@@coro8933 thanks, I use the first lap of a time trial just beating the living shet out of the tires, basically drift every corner or do a bunch of doughnuts 😁
Would be interesting to test various "toe" settings in the suspension as this should change tire temperature and possibly explain why the Japanese driver in the Supra has consistently warmer tire temps even in a straight line.
This was my thoughts also 🎯
The TOE does something, but its actually super unrealistic since the PHYSICS update, where now its more benefitial to do a set up fosucing on Loosing the less grip possible
(EXAMPLE)
Increasing Positive Rear Toe (looking towards inside) to battle the possible Oversteer when the degradation starts to affect traction, so you loose less control when.... you loose control. You wheelspin less, oversteer less, and create less heat.
Before Update, it was more realistic... Very smilar to Assetto Corsa (of course this was on the 4, 5 months after release, since i got it since day 1)
That is the supenshion that give you more grip
My guess is it could be a little bit of both early sliding and possible set up to where heat can add faster in the tire. So GT7 didn't mention tire temps to be a factor either huh? This does change the game for sure, especially with having to adjust ourown driving styles as well.
Yeah it's like ACC except it doesn't show you 😅
It vaguely mentions it in the maul that no one reads lol
@@Kireth how do you get the tyre temp to show?
We should definitely getting a proper readout of tire temps if they're so crucial. But to be honest, i have a suspicion that tire temps are programmed somewhat in the car model, and not totally independent on track temps.
Son un algoritmo la temperatura de la pista en comparación con la de lo neumáticos😂
Same here, I notice I couldn't pull fastest lap at very beginning. The car felt better after few laps
maybe, just maybe, these UFO-level guys manage to use weak ABS and then each micro-lock of the tyre rises the temp ever so slightly, enough to hit, for instance 10% more heat
Huh this could certainly be it!!
Doesn't everyone use weak ABS ?
@@BL4K_B4BIES Who's "everyone"? The scientific question here seems to be 'Which ABS setting @Kireth is using during those experiments? What is the control-group?' I Think the key -question of the research is "A friction theory: the rubber thermodynamics behind the superhuman driving"
Maybe they overturn the steering when it reaches the maximum lock (red dot movement) and are scrubbing the tyre more. You can definitely do this to get more heat in because I've tried this myself. It doesn't affect your rate of turn.
Its the weather you started With that have also main impact on your tyres. So try to start the lap with the sunny and eventually with the cloudy weather. You'll see the temperature difference.. Best regards to you 🙋♂️
My theory is maybe they do a burnout before their lap as soon as the auto-drive sequence ends. We wouldn’t get to see it since the ghost is only tracked once the starting line’s crossed.
Yo
That was my first thought too. As soon as you have control of the car and before you pass the starting line, do a few spinouts. Worth a shot.
I’m not consistent enough to test lap times, but I did donuts and got front to 72 and rear to 74 before daily race B quali at deep forest. I can definitely feel more grip and the temps held a few laps
I do a fair bit of drifting in this game. I had noticed after a fair few runs i could launch the car MUCH harder than usual.
Also cold tyres are very noticeable (especially on the front) when entering into drift on T1.
Think about it, braking turns kinetic energy and converts into heat, the same is anagolus to acceleration. It's a pretty easy solution man: adjust your break balance to the rear and you'll get more heat. You have too much balance in the front, you need to adjust it a little to the rear. Basic physics. 😊
Ok let me do this in the daily race!
In the shown time attack (Nürburgring 24h) breakbalance is locked by BoP, so can't be the solution here
I noticed that on the TT and Race C quali the time of day settings have an effect too... but more importantly the quali has tire temps up at start, bit the TT starts with cold tires (that don't really heat up).... 😮
looks like the atmosphere/sky does make a difference, as it seems the Japanese driver had a sunny day compared to the others.
Great spot! Surely not tho...
@@Kireth yeah, I'm not so sure now.
I did think some burn outs and extreme turning on a warm up lap had been helping me before, so this all might confirm that's a good strat.
Much love dude.
@@Kireth maybe humidity matters as well. You never know with gt7
@@Kireth one of Polyphony's claims leading up to GT7s release was that the game simulates atmospheric effects on vehicle performance.
That's what the rain/no rain spa race was all about.... changing weather and track conditions affecting tire grip.... not necessarily wet conditions... the track would cloud over and get cold, then sun out and hot....
Noticing the same with TT and race C... C has the weather on and even a dry cold track is slippy... on TT no weather and consistent warm weather so car is more consistent and predictable...
just my own observations
I remember the Gr. 2 at Spa month or so ago. If it was overcast, I was 0.5 - 1s slower on a qualifying lap. It was very annoying having to quit out and reloading to get a sunny track. Weather is definitely a factor.
I really like this, but BoP races kinda ruins it, because you can't setup your suspension geometry to make tyres either heat up more. Some cars have really hard time to warm up and keep temperature on tyres.
Yeah BOP setups are way more important than we give credit for
Before the time trial starts, I belive you can warm your tires up before the lap starts. Tyats how they are getting warmer tires first lap.
Damn they're playing 4D chess
But HOW exactly do you think they're warming them?
@@DrDanMD swerving before the line? throttle and brake at the same time?
Spin them and burn them out before starting a lap will get some heat going.... but keeping it may be hard
No it’s just random track temperature that affects it
Fantastic unique content man. Great info and video cheers
Cheers Chris!!
I've definitely felt I've had laps where the car had a lot more grip.. maybe I got the tyres in the window!
This is not fair. I set my first quali lap and the tyres were amazing and I had lots of grip and set a 8.16.5 something on controller. Then did a few more laps later on and couldn’t repeat it. Don’t know how I got the tyres I’m the optimal operating temperatures, but I would love to know so I could do it more to improve grip. Great Video Kireth!!!
i dont have gt7 but if you able to adjust your toe in or out on frun and back even by 0.02 degrees which isnt much you can add more heat into the tyres
What about programmable peripherals. I'm a software dev so i go into thinking like a programmer. What if they're able to intercept their wheel/controller input signals and introduce micro left/right jitter when they drive straight. Enough that you don't feel the jitter and that the car isn't destabilised/moved. Think weaving in F1 warm-up, but on a tiny tiny microscopic level. Maybe that could be how the temps don't go down on the straights. Then when your steering angle leaves the centre by a few degrees, the jitter is disabled so that your cornering is not compromised. It's a mad hat theory obviously, just putting it out there for thought. ☘️
I like your style a LOT!
(let's make it happen??)
@@Kireth oh I'm just a dumb web developer with little experience with programming hardware like that. You'd need some interceptor device that takes the peripheral signal, augments it then hot-potato's the input signal on to the console, with as little latency as possible. I've no idea where you'd begin to do take on such a project, way above my expertise level but the idea on principal is sound-ish, I think! It's sketchy AF though, kinda akin to Mercedes F1 DAS system to warm up tyres in 2020.
@@Kireth he is maybe onto something maybe not a program but you can see some little inputs on the straights and before corners, look at the G force bar(?) little left right swipes
Increasing tyre pressure increases temperature build up. I use that in iracing to get better qualifying laps because I get to warm my tyres slightly more.
We don't have tire pressure tuning in GT7
Maybe adding ballast,more weight over the tires,and or a combination of Suspension Adjustment, with Driving Styles
My guess is that the Japanese driver uses an Alonso like driving style where he turns early and aggressively forcing the front tyres to do a lot of work therefore generating temperature in them while allowing the car to rotate/slide out generating temperature in the rear tires
I believe the ghost lap is simple whatever lap they player shared. So, we can not know what number lap they were on to get that much heat into the tires.But it makes perfect since that you can get more heat/grip into the tires driving more laps/driving more aggressively. So, maybe drive more aggressively for a lap or so to heat things up. people with more time on their Hans can obvoulsy take more advantage of this. But seems completely fair to me.Would bee nice if the game Ui showed that data though 😆
There’s a bunch of apps for your phone that will show it. As long as you’re in same wifi and your ps5
I honestly think there is a BIG misconception here. Its not the tire temp that makes the guys faster. Its because they DRIVE faster, which at the end equals in more heat of course because they do operate more at the limit. In contrast to that, I can see alot of situations in which you just dont go fast enough, there is alot of speed left behind in many turns thus having lower temps. And in the end this whole "tire temps make you faster story" may not even matter
Yeah as I said in the vid driving style is key to get the temps 🙌🙌
@@Kireth But isnt that contrary to the point of your video? You ask if its fair or unfair but in the end you may even not get any "Extra grip!" but people who drive faster just have higher temps. Its not that they are faster BECAUSE of the temps
Yeah we talk about driving styles in the video bro!
@@Kireth I disagree here. Its not driving "style", its PACE and the ability to drive on the tire limit. In the video you talk about driving style but always having to add the "but cold tires make me slide more". For me the video brings the message of those "I´ve found the grip hack"-video. You even put "GRIP.EXE" in your thumbnail. "Gran turismo is lying to your", "Extra grip", "Extra grip FAIR or UNFAIR", "insane secrets", "results are shocking". Maybe you get what I mean?
For example the foxhole section starting at 2:55. In every clip I can see you taking different lines, missing the first right hand apex and the not present tire sound might suggest you are not at the limit. If you were, you MIGHT also have higher temps. In result, the ghost drives away. My point is that its maybe the other way around of what your message of the video is.
I quite liked your videos in the past, this one is WAY too dramatized. I understand from a creators side of view, that you have to do it.
Bro some driving styles are just faster!
Quality, great information 👍🏎️💨
Kireth looks like that cop in Super Troopers 😂 thanks for the info
Fatality 😅
@@Kireth great sense of humor bro gotta love it lol 😂
Never knew they had tire temp in GT7...no gauges/colors to see temp like ACC.
Disclaimer, i'm not a pro driver nor do i consider myself fast - but theres a little trick i learnt whilst watching something on Fernando Alonso's driving technique (i wish i could find the clip).
This actually helped me tame cars like the Ford GT, Lambo Huracan, and other other mid engine cars that were a nightmare to drive before they changed the handling model. I went from loosing the rear with oversteer on corner entry to consistently out breaking beating the metas in my class. (Unpopular opinion - I think metas are way to easy to be fast with. I wish more people tried to beat the metas, so i tip my hat to anyone brave enough to take an R8 on the Nordschleife)
Getting on the brakes while still being on the accelerator. (I know so many people say its a big no-no, but the way I see it, theres nothing in the rule book, if f1 drivers and even nascar drivers do it then why not.)
Beyond having more stability overall for MR cars, I think GT7 and GT Sport before it, both consider carcass and core temperature being warmed up by brake temps as a tyre warming technique. Radiation from hot brakes warm up the internal core temps which naturally help keep the basal surface temps a few degrees hotter than normal. You can used this technique "almost" anywhere to keep your tyres in the window, which also means you can focus on push laps rather than wasting time.
Long story short, watch the braking and accelerating inputs of these top tier players. Language of Aliens right there!
Ofcourse theres also the weather
Honestly this sounds like it should work!
@@Kireth would love to get your thoughts on the community gravitation towards Metas in the future. what goes through your mind when you see an anomaly car really high in the leaderboards.
What's good for the top 10 isn't necessarily good for the top 500!
Was thinking this exact sane thing. And to build off this, “double pedaling” it, causes the rear end to squat more, thus creating artificial downforce, which will then drive more heat into the tires
But it would make sense that GT7 to an extent simulates brake temperatures… and how they influence braking distances and tire temps, but they’re just not showing it.
ACC does simulate how brake temperatures affect your he aforementioned factors, by way of the brake ducts
The best way to test this would be to take the 458 for a spin around the nordschlief and see what the tire temps do. There are several sections where you have to double-pedal it in order to keep the car balanced so you don’t spin
I've not tried any time trials yet. Can you setup your car? if so maybe adjusting the toe angle might help increase temps?
try to turn off abs and then overbrake just a bit at certain turns, initialy to bring up the temp and after to keep it at your desirable value.
Braking later, sliding through corners to bring up heat in tires and getting more grip, smoothing out his later lamps while reducing lap time.
Excellent video, very interesting discovery. Is the telemetry mod available for download anywhere?
I wonder how much toe angle and camber play a role.. could you increase the toe angle thereby creating more tire friction and thus heating the tires better? But that would also increase wear.. idk this is frustrating and they really need to address this stuff
does this mean doing an outlap is always recommemded before trying to get your best quali lap?
Could it have something to do with toe angle in the geometry of the suspension. It will differ from car to car. Maybe adding some negative toe will scrub some heat into the tires
Can you verify if the warm up time before a race does anything to increase the tire temps at the start of the race?
It's probably down to wheel alignment.. try to mess with the camber and toe. Hope this would help
It’s fixed setups.
Very interesting find Mr K!
Thanks Ironman!
I wonder why tyre temps don’t go up regardless. If you don’t work them it might be slow going, but they should go up eventually. At those speeds they should. Just my guess, I’m not sure
Maybe changing break bias allowing people to target back tires for heating tires up?
In the shown time attack breakbalance is locked by BoP, so can't be the solution here
@@kutschi_6742 Seeing that now, oof. I assumed cause race C.
@@felmora In TT always , not in the race tho
Thank you, Kireth! This will help a lot.
No worries!
Are you sure it's not a suspension or alignment adjustment that's doing it? Maybe caster/camber/toe adjustment??
I just had a go at the Nurburgring 24 time trial and got a 8:19.473, still along way of gold, is there anything I can do to get faster with a controller? (In the 911, all the driving aids already switched off, apart from weak abs). Interesting with the tyre temps, I find throttle control seems everything in this game, and not pushing under steer everywhere etc. here to learn.
Hey man have you seen this? ruclips.net/video/jnD_all4fQA/видео.html
@@Kireth yeah man, watched it and enjoyed it. Already done that time trial though and got gold :) and most importantly got paid 👍🏻 I wish they showed in the time trials if people are on controller or wheel. As be interesting to know where I stand against people without the benefits of a steering wheel :)
Just joined your Discord chat thing 👍🏻
I left the Discord chat thing as I simply don’t get it, didn’t understand how to sign up to race as it said something about clicking on a logo and there was no logo, this is beyond me. LoL is there an easier way to race against people in the group without having to learn the discord chat thing? Just want to race 😅 like a Mailing list or something?
Appreciate this Kireth!
How about the use of ballasts moved to the front to add a bit more of weight in the front end of the car to improve friction.
How did you get the telemetry data? Is it possible to have it on a separate tablet??
What are you using to have that box show up on the top of your screen that is showing the tire temperatures, interesting
Huh? I already knew about tire temps affecting tire grip but I though that this was deactivated if you didn't had tire wear enabled.
Now it becomes clear, why i'm fast with the AMG, it tends to understeer and chewing through front tires (heating them up)🤣
Come on Dramaqueen, we have known this since GT Sport, Telemetry Apps been showing that for years..
can your brake bias affect the heat? or locking the tyres if you switch off ABS? reply please
In the shown time attack breakbalance is locked by BoP, so can't be the solution here
abs was on as you see in the bottom left corber when breaking, mayb set to low but yeah
I think, marcuslindsay is right, it's the brakes balance! And I would also say, 1. make more rounds before the qualifying, 2. choose softer tyres, to get them hotter quicker for more grip.
But it also depends on how many rounds do you have to drive and what for a type of track do you drive: if it's very curvy, the tyres heat up earlier because you have to break more often; and for less rounds you need slicks, for many rounds you must choose harder tyres. If you are still unsure, look at all the websites, that offer proven setups to download.
But the Japanese driver was on his first lap as well
Are you not able to adjust tire pressure before starting a session?
Be interesting to see if brake bias to rear for a bit generates some heat in the rear tyres???
Maybe BB to the rear for heat then neutral again for wear?
@@Kireth yes in races but thinking more for qualifying as you don't really get wear? Couple of laps set to rear for heat then balance it out when you put the lap in.
In the shown time attack breakbalance is locked by BoP, so can't be the solution here
@@kutschi_6742 yer remembered that after I wrote it, was waiting for someone to pick up on it 🤣
this just confirms that I need to figure out how to tie the tire telemetry data to a set of LED's on each corner of my tv. so they glow the correct colour. I've been meaning to do this for quite a while now lol, but it turns out soldering together individual LED's is really tedious
Honestly that sounds sick!!
When you get That sorted can I buy a set?
@@SilverSidedSquirrel honestly, it's something you put together yourself very easily and less than 50 bucks. if you're in canada it might be feasible for me to build and ship off but i don't think it would be worth to ship across any border because of how cheap it all is. even the corner tire LED idea can be done with the one LED strip and some scissors, there's only 3 wires from arduino to the lights, and they can be attached to themselves. so it's extremely simple and easily a great first soldering project, or just find the right connector adapters to plug and play it.
15$ for an arduino and $15[cad] for an addressable LED strip, then it's just tinkering in SIMHUB with the telemetry settings. but I think I have to learn some code level stuff to figure out the tires, which has very much been holding me back as well lol
@@SilverSidedSquirrel with all these caveats in place, i DO have a 3d resin printer, and zero fabrication skills, but i would absolutely love to design and build some awesome telemetry accessories in the imaginary world where I know what the hell i'm doing.
Just a heads up other people have been using apps to show tyre temps for months now. This isnt new.
But it is info that should be available in game
Are they adding toe to bring up heat. I wonder what they adjust to get these temps.
I think they are hitting the handbrake in a certain pattern. I did it while doing le mans in France world 700, and it was knocking off at least 5 seconds in my time.
It might have to do with the way they shift gears. In the car settings you can look up the rpm to power-output ratio, to determine at what rpm value you should shift up (or even down) to have the most power output. This differs from car to car.
So, I'm not sure exactly, because I'm still learning this, but usually the optimal shifting-up point is at a lower rpm value than most people might assume. This is why the rpm-gauge should always be visible on screen, so that u can see at exactly what instantaneous rpm-value the engine is turning at.
So... I'm assuming that the change in rpm, which means the change in rotation of the wheels and the force exerted by the wheel must have an effect on the friction of the wheels on the ground - and thus it influences the temperature.
You have to understand that at that level of racing these guys are racing with the maximum possible output of power at any given millisecond. So, a higher power output per second might translate to higher overall temperature output as well.
Again, I'm still learning this myself. But I have a strong feeling it might be that, because you (video maker) are not driving with the rpm gauge on ur screen. So ur probably not shifting like they do.
If the temps are changing that quickly through a single corner, they're clearly just surface temps so it doesn't really mean much. If it showed core temps you might have a better idea of whether or not they're staying in the optimal window overall. No idea if GT simulates it that well (or at all) but the Porsche and other cars with more weight behind the centre of the car should roast the rears more and the others should stress the fronts, so maybe try changing driver style to keep the temperatures balanced (or change the setup if that's allowed).
A couple of degrees difference wouldn't make a difference on GT3 cars anyway. Their tyres have an optimum temp window of about 70-90°C and give decent grip from 40-130°C. The fact they go straight from blue to green with one degree (71 to 72°C) difference kinda says it all. The Japanese driver being faster would be down to stuff like maximising the track at 7:50 and actually hitting the apex at 8:15.
Core temps are displayed when the temperatures fall back down to a stable value. If you scrub your tires nothing's gonna happen but if you do that on every lap the temperatures are gonna go up
You should apply for an variety show. Your capacity in holding the attention and capture the audience is beyond this channel.
I'll take it as a compliment 😅😅
@@Kireth It definitely is.
Kireth thanks but would love can u try this system with a controler for us who cant aford a wheel i am interested in how the tire temps are or respond to ps5 controller?
We need a lap analyzer or something for car data during the lap.
didnt GT5 have a basic one?
The Japanese driver doesn't use abs. Every corner that he can, he is braking 100%. That may be the difference.
Counter intuitive but I suspect early sliding is somehow the cause of tire temps not ramping up.
Huh I would suspect the opposite?
I swear, bro makes the best liveries🤤
I am not sure but would toe in or toe out give more heat in the tires. Also we should be able to modify the tires pressure, caster is also missing.
I mean if there's hidden tyre pressures that's another level to this
Everyone knows tyres are warmer on laps 2&3 qualifying and approx 10 degrees warmer than Lap 1 race start which is why we’re all over the place for a 1m30s first lap.
Not sure how some drivers get their temps higher more quickly other than really leaning on the weight transfer in fast corners
And finally, we all know this game is designed around the Nismo missile and Supra for some unknown *cough* reason.
Does it have anything to do with sponsorship of the game?
I have a 65inch TV, my mate has a 77inch TV....Still don't understand why GT7 think they can't fit the tyre sim related telemetry on the screen.
How did you get it to display the temps?
All cars are tuned for soft tires the harder the tire the less gs you can put down before you slide out so don’t push gas if you here your tires slipping max grip is ok but don’t push it
What telemetry are you using for this?
Maybe is an info about how much you're touching inputs like brake or sterring?
maybe!
7:21 he just be understeering the car on purpose to heat up the fronts 🥵
Where are you getting this tire info. I’ve never seen this stuff in a Gran Turismo game.
I've noticed this when I've been playing. I thought this was common knowledge?? Even in standard career races... Running from the back to the front if you push hard despite it saying the tires and brakes don't wear.
By lap 3 or 4 you have to brake way earlier and tires are much slicker. Its super noticable on my R32... Front end starts pushing about lap 3 and by lap 4 or 5 I'm plowing understeer. Despite it saying that there is zero tire/mechanical wear.
Pretty sure if your'e doing time trial, your tyre temps reset when you start another lap. ??
I think I know how he does it. He holds in and keeps holding in the cigar lighter. All about interior ambient heat mate.
Displayen med bla däcktemperatur, hur får man den?
Where did you get that temp. tool from?
Could it be BOP or can top drivers keep tyre temp in any car, on the same track?
??? All was BOP
@Nils Kanneuchegalsein chatting with friends who play acc a lot they reckon it's the camber and toe angle affecting the tyre warm-up, so BOP sets these a d probably affecting the overall tyre wear. 🤷♂️🤔
@@fittpatley yeah they're right but we cant change the camber an co. in BOP Races
Wait people didn't know this was a thing? Tire temps have been around since gt2. At least i thought. When the white starts to turn red your tires are warn
Havent played gt7 at all this yr, this got me excited somehoq😂🤬
thank you. i'm a bit late but going down the GT7 950pp rabbit hole now...
Were i to take a guess, maybe downforce? Im no expert, but i assume higher downforce is more pressure on the tyres, equal more heat?
This could be it between different cars!
Definitely maybe try and fiddle with the downforce setup on the cars, there might be a difference. Could explain why they retain heat on the straights.
Downforce helps tyres, u spend less time in the corner and the car is more stable with more downforce (usually)
@@jdm0909 Its BOP so no settings possible but could explain the dif between cars
this is still a thing. take any car on a long race like 15 laps and change tires say start with rs and then pit and get new rs tires and you can feel the difference.
Uhhmm Kireth, it's hotter because the weather. It's sunny and hotter out in the one. And it's foggy... Well no need to say any further why it's hotter
I've been telling people for years that tyre temperature has been a thing in Gran Turismo since the first game.
How do you get this app?? I cant find it on the iphone
Noob here from NYC 🇵🇷🙋🏽♂️🥹 if understood lapping and tires aren't heating up 😳🙄🤔 how can we warm them up then 😆👀👀
So how does one get the temps up and keep it there
Solve this and you're an alien!
Time of the day affect this.
Try it at night you wouldn't even get them too green in the corners.
How is this information of tyre temps obtained?
So how do we keep temperature?
You must heat 'em before the lap start bro
i hate the new white tyres indicator with a slim ring arond getting red , it's hard to see the difference on temps, was easier before on gt5 with the hole green area changed color
Maybe they are using more rear down force to get the extra heat