🤔 Which ABS Setting should YOU Choose!? || Gran Turismo 7
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- I've been asked a few times to look at ABS and if there's any difference between Low and Default... Here is that video! Now it's very hard to do a like for like test, but hopefully this video helps you decide what setting to pick!
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A few comments have asked about Tyre Wear. So I didn't do a Tyre Wear test specifically because in Gran Turismo essentially if you slide at any point there will be more tyre wear on the rears. So automatically yes, if the rear does slide there would be more tyre wear. But if the car is rotating more it could actually mean reduced tyre wear on the front (The same as the extreme setup scenario video). I hope that helps explain the tyre wear situation.
TL DR;
- More Rear slide means more Rear Tyre Wear
- More Rear Slide may mean less Front Tyre Wear because the car was suffering Understeer and Tyres been scrubbed.
I love this channel so much because you always approach this game with that kind of experiment-driven rigor. From the car profiles, to the optimal-based timing, to videos like this, it’s a real privilege to someone like provide evidence-backed conclusions to important questions that otherwise get lost with anecdotal (or straight up ass-pull) responses on forums or comment sections
I appreciate this mate, thankyou!
I use the weak setting for ABS but my brake balance for MR and RR cars is -3 or -2 depend on the track. For me it works better because i use hard braking and trail braking at the entrance. That gives a rotation towards the inside of the corner because the weight transfer compresses a lot the front suspension, making the front of the car more maneuverable whilst the rear stays in line due to engine braking and the force from the actual brakes.
It's my driving style that makes this set up work. In some corners, I'm faster, but in other corners, I'm slower. It depends on the track.
Thought I give my penny of experience, though i play GT7 for a few months, but I'm not new to GT Series.
Always you do an excellent work Tidg.
Timestamps with Tidge Cam:
0:13 - Introduction and ABS Explanation
2:21 - Brake Test
4:34 - Race Testing Default vs Weak
5:36 - Weak Run 1
7:00 - Default Run 2
10:28 - Trial Mountain Run 1 (Weak Setting)
12:32 - Trial Mountain Run 2 (Default Setting)
14:57 - Conclusion
You are the best at what you do by a mile
Cheers Mate, appreciate the kind words!
Yet another educational and relevant content for the community, awesome stuff. Appreciate the video, well done, thank you!!
I have been waiting for this one!
Good thorough breakdown, thanks Tidgney 👍
Very interesting vid like always Tidge! What I see is if you're a high level driver, weak may be a little faster, but most people (especially a pleb like me) should stick with default.
I feel like a big part of this is also pedal work. If you've got a nice load cell brake, you're going to have a much easier and less risky time extracting better performance out of weak ABS (or OFF if you're feeling frisky).
Thanks for the work, Tidge!
Potentially for sure, load cells are a bit quicker, but I'm so used to distance measured braking that I wouldn't see a difference I suspect.
Reason for the lower speed lock ups, is down to the momentum of the wheel being lower as it is spinning at a slower speed. Then the friction forces of the brake pads / discs overcome this momentum.
Hi tidgney. Plus 5 brake balance is giving you more tire slide in the rear while turning in. I recommend balance in the middle while testing,
You call it tire slide, he calls it rotation, which optimizes his corners entry. I do the same. It's really a matter of preference, maybe you don't like oversteery cars?
@toebeeone You are absolutely correct. This entire video is irrelevant because he uses brake balance 5 and not zero.
That's the point I'm making in the video. Even at 0 you would get more rotation on Weak ABS. But this is also car dependant. 0 Brake balance on some cars will still be rear biased compared to other cars.
@tidgney yeah, this video is more for +5 brake people. On motorcycles, we call this "backing it in." 😁. Sliding the rear with either rear brake or engine braking. Anyway, I hope you had a good weekend.
That’s only true if you’re near the limit of grip in the rear and want to initiate (often uncontrollable) slip. For most cars, brake balance +5 to the rear allows for more turning under braking, better trail braking, by freeing up a portion of the front tires’ grip that would’ve been used for braking and using it to turn.
ABS doesn't make you stop any quicker, it never has and fundamentally isn't the point of what it's supposed to do. The thing it is supposed to do is allow you to steer when braking hard. If you look your wheels you lose steering - the ABS senses the lock and releases brake pressure before reapplying it. This happens multiple times a aecond. I would imagine in game the weak setting reduces the virtual measurement, in effect allowing slightly longer periods of virtual braking lock, so it's probably stronger in the dry but not as good in the wet.
It would be interesting to see if with the ABS on weak if the tyre wear was worse over a long race.
I specifically didn't run Tyre wear because this will be even more driver dependant on weak. If there's more sliding on the rear there will be more rear tyre wear. But more rotation may mean less tyre wear on the front as the fronts aren't being overturned.
really interesting, it would be interesting to see more of which setting you find best on the different time trials each week!
for example, i wonder which is better on slower/faster cars etc. over just the proper race cars vs road cars.
I now use ABS Weak on most weeks, I do put that in the description and video (As a graphic) to.
@@tidgney Maybe this is now just a stepping stone to ABS off :P
In my simple testing certain cars brake better with weak and some with default ABS, I swap them then compare the quickest laps times I can achieve
I like this video, I always felt like weak was a smidge better than Default, but this definitely proves it. 👌 Also, I have had a time setting up my load cell brake pedal feel wise ... First time I have ever used one and sometimes it feels really good, and other times, it feels like it just isn't stopping me and I'm having to hold the brake so much longer. It has been the bane of my existence and I have just not felt fully comfortable with it. Do you have any tips that might help?
I don't unfortunately, it's been awhile since I've used a load cell. Only thing i can say is to keep practicing tbh.
ABS irl is safer for certain but a trained driver can stop quicker without it .I never thought about this til I did a speed awareness course and it was pointed out to me by the lecturer.
O for sure in real life.
The key feature of ABS is that it allows for braking and steering at the same time, helping to avoid hazards in an emergency.
Thx for this One.. have the Same experience as you.. in some corners faster but Little more risky.. Weak Good for Time Trial 👍🏻
Nice explanation! What i also found is that weak ABS allows you to brake a tiny bit later when you hold the pressure to around 90-95% instead of 100%, not sure if that is similar to default. The braking pressure is also a factor. Like last week daily race at Spa, i struggled with the car suddenly snapping on me in braking zones when i start to trailbrake, specially into T1 and into the chicane after back straight. When i swapped to default ABS i had more control and the snapping went away(magically). Maybe look into pressure aswell in combination with ABS? Would be interesting to see if there ACTUALLY is any difference
That's to do with ABS activation. So if your car is snapping the rear is probably locking when on weak abs. But when you press it 95% it reduces the force on the tyres and ABS doesn't kick in as much and the wheels have less chances of locking,
@@tidgney Yes, that is my initial thought as well, but the snap happens when im going off the brakes and close to ending my braking, so there might be something else that is causing this that i am missing :P
Can you do break bias (I know you said you use 5, but a video would help)
And traction control?
Then how to link the above to make adjustments in different cars? (What to look out for, when to adjust)
That would help me 🙂 new to racing and I do try to play with configurations, but seeing the how's and why's really help.
Thanks!
Traction control off is much much much faster and abs off is much shorter braking distance, but need to know how to control the pedals which is what the TC and ABS is doing, if you look at the white bars the red section is how much power or braking the computer is taking off for you
If you're on a pad use traction 1 unless car is awd. Turn it off then. All assists off except abs. After a while try with no tc.
Try just turning it off when you are practicing and turn it on when your racing. You will slowly gain the throttle control that will make you faster without it.
I have been driving on Off since the day I bought the game and always wondered where these guys online are finding that extra pace😂
Great video Tidge
I think you need to look into tire wear as well, when comparing default and weak ABS.
Have added a Pinned comment but essentially more sliding means more rear tyre wear
Love the content 👊🏽
Thanks @Tidgney love these educational vids! I've always run weak, with BB +5 in GT3 cars cause I find they all understeer. I'm in a league and we've moved to group 1 cars BOP with no tuning. I'm a mess and cant get clean fast laps. I'm not sure if BB+5 is the best setting? Any chance you can do a video on Brake Bias settings, and what's best for which car? As in FF. FR, MR, 4WD, and the different groups, so 1,2,3,4 ? I think most people are like me, just running one setting and don't really understand if and when to change it. Thanks!
Rule of thumb with brake balance, if the rear feels loose, move the balance forward to add stability, varies by track and by car.
I adjust mine on the fly on some tracks as different sectors react better to tighter (front) or looser (rear) bias
@@mattnorgrove6872 thanks for the advice. On a normal, say, 2 minute lap, does that become a chore, to constantly change settings mid lap?
As Matt has mentioned, my rule of thumb;
- Car Understeers move to the Rear
- Car Oversteers move to the front
- Car Tyre Wear is to heavy on the Front move to the Rear
- Car Tyre Wear is to heavy on the Rear move to the front.
I use weak mainly but i do feel it can be car dependent, like some cars feel way to sketchy using weak and some cars it feels unnecessary using weak for them.
I'm racing on weak for about 2 weeks now. I feel that i am a bit faster than before. Maybe its just because i have now a better feeling for the maximum brake force 🤷♂️
tyre wear should also be similar, less tyre wear the stronger the abs, so take that into consideration for high tyre wear races/cars with poor tyre wear
That is actually an excellent point. Good stuff.
Cheers Tidge, ☺️.
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Tyre wear over 10 laps would of been interested to see also.
Appreciate the feedback. I really didn't want to do tyre wear for 1 main reason. Sliding will increase tyre wear, but the new rotation may reduce front tyre wear. Each driver will be unique in tyre wear test, so I could do 1 run on weak abs with tyre wear on and get 1 result, then do it again with better control and have completely different results. Then do it a 3rd time and get different results again.
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MR cars are alot more unstable on weak ABS FF and FR i dont have any problem with them.
The difference between ABS standard and weak is pretty high in wet conditions! Unfortunately it isn't mentioned here.
It gets more extreme in that situation as in you can suffer move oversteer in wet conditions but the same points apply (Just more extreme)
If u can handle brake balance all the way to the rear with weak abs then ALWAYS do that, the more u dislike oversteer the less rear bb u should use and/or use default abs.
@@hebisty4163 ooh shit thanks for that 😅
Great video thx. Could you make one about rims?
I might be wrong, but i have the feeling that some races on sport mode allows different rims size.
I might be wrong again, for example on the next tgr cup. I tried to put the smallest possible with my gr86, one of the rare models to sell smalller than standard ones. Cause i was guessing it could help me to get less understeer on suzuka. Am i crazy saying it seemed to be better? Only superstition bop trauma?
Lol bop trauma is funny. I've been wanting to know about wheel size difference also. I don't think the game is set up to take that into account but I'm just guessing about that since I haven't heard anyone deal with that yet. I'm not good enough to test it an have reliable results
This is actually on my list to test!
When are the VR laps coming..?? (please)
Vr is horrible watching it on a flat screen.
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I have to buy one first, and I'm not paying full price haha!
Simple answer use ABS on Weak
IIRC ABS in Gran Turismo has always had a kind of ASM/ESP coded into it.
Maybe the weak setting (which I also use) lets the rear slide a little better.
You could very well try a NO ABS run with some classic car and you'll see what I mean!
I've been running it raw😅 since day one.
what about tyres degradation?
It's a good question, essentially if a car slides more, the more wear you'll get and that's the best way to look at it. A very strong player may have a lot less deg than a less skilled player as they handle the slides better.
I've gone to weak on almost every car i drive regularly, not many bc i can't drive 😅
Unless your prepping for the finals or something and abs will be used then learn to drive, master and enjoy the cars in its true form.
Unfortunately having break balance on 5 negates this entire experiment and video.
It's a good video in terms of editing etc, but in terms of information none can be taken from it. Also why did you not do the tests with ABS off?!
Appreciate the feedback.
I don't see how the Brake Balance on 5 negates the experiment? Even if Brake Balance is on 0, every car within its settings has a different brake bias some are more rear biased even at 0 and some are more front biased (You'd have to go to GT5 or GT6 to see this option, can't remember which one it was). But the purpose is to show that there is a difference, and that is clearly shown in the video. I did to the tests with ABS off? The 1st test has No ABS on it. I did do a no abs test on the circuit, but it was so dreadfully slow and the 1st test confirmed this I felt there was no point putting it in the video because the 1st test clarifies it very quickly.
@@tidgney I applaud you for taking the criticism as you did.
You probably know more about GT7 than I do so I should probably shut the hell up. I know a little about statistics and experiments etc. For ultimate results BB should be on zero. But your point is not wrong. As long as you were consistent with the conditions (which you were) then the results should be as consistent as well.
@@turtledangerman I take all feedback on board so its all good, its just hard to come across the right way in a comment sometimes (As in me to commenters). So if I do get something wrong I absolutely want to be called out on it, or feedback given as to how to rectify it.
Honestly appreciate it all the same!
If rear tyre wear is an issue (i.e. Gr3 MR), could you move brake balance forward and use weak ABS to compensate? Do you think this could improve tyre wear?
Good question, and I would say yes to this although haven't tried it.
Hi Tidg! How about ASM? Slower or faster with it on / off?
I find ABS weak suits me, but wondering about the ASM also
I'll add it as a future test
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You said that the conditions changes every time you exit and rejoin the time trial.. how do one know which is the best condition to get the fastest time? do you have a video explaining that?
Great Question! Apologies for the delay, but there is currently no way to test. The only way I try to figure it out is by picking a "Speed Trap" and judging it based on that.
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In your straight line test, why was there no lockup with any of the settings?
There was on No ABS
dang i'm really curious with a no abs run now.
Was shockingly bad, I did one but didn't include on the video as the 1st test demonstrated how bad it was.
Did you stamp on the brakes with abs off?
Yes, was trying to replicate what people do on the brakes (Majority)
How does it affect the tirewear?
Depends on the situation. A car that slides to much will wear the rear more. But if it rotates better in the corner it may reduce front tyre wear. It's more driver dependant when on Weak ABS though.
You can't say "we locked a wheel, abs is worse"
You didn't threshold brake, you just went to 100% held it and let it lock up.
Not only that, but you're using bbal 5, which is going to lock the front 99% of the time if you do that.
I don't think this is intentionally** dishonest, but i don't think you can use suboptimal technique and setup, and say "i compared these things fairly"
I use no abs, and I'm regularly in the top 10k in daily race quali.
Almost never am I able to brake 100% for more than a half a tenth, it's like 1/3 of gr4 and gr3 cars.
That being said I am easily a full second slower with abs on. You can carry SO much more speed in the middle phase of braking and still get to the minimum, with the rotation you mentioned. You have to find the limit
And that's on bbal 0, the more front brake, the more likely you are to lock the front, unless you're going into like, a downhill corner that rises over a crest
I think you misunderstand the point of the video. Gran Turismo is driven by thousands of people who just 100% brake, the purpose is to show the difference between them and establish what is quicker. No ABS is very much not faster in any way, shape or form.
does weak abs increase tire wear?
Any form of slide will increase tyre wear. So if the rear slides more the rear will wear more. But you may find the front wears less because you are not oversteering into a corner.
ABS is not designed to brake quicker. It is to be able to still steer while full braking. In most circumstances the braking distance with locked wheels is shorter than with unlocked wheels.
BTW I use weak since GT Sport because it is more like in real life.
I've got to disagree based on the first test I did in the video? (I am talking GT specifically here).
@@tidgney I wrote "In most circumstances", not all. And yes, with Racing tires abs helps braking, but still "ABS is not designed to brake quicker".
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So weak on understeery cars? Seems reasonable.
You get WAYYYYYY shorter braking distance when abs is off if you know how to brake properly without locking, never press the brake fully down you start off light gradually getting stronger then trail brake, just like you would in a motorbike cos your road car has abs you cant compare it to that that
Not in this game.
In this game ABS doesn't work like that. If you try to brake like that your car will lock up almost instantly
It's impossible to brake like that in GT7. You have no feeling of when the wheels are going to lock.
Should compere it to ABS off too 😅
Ignorance is bliss. Watch the video before making inane comments
@@oprahlovescake6590I think he meant there should have been footage of abs off.
There was ABS footage off, but it was so far off in the brake test that I thought it wasn't necessary in the circuit test. I can tell you in the circuit test I did 3 laps which were all miles off the other 2 so felt that there was no point.
I’ve found that cars that don’t have ABS in real life (i.e Gr.1 cars) brake just as good without ABS in GT7
Due to high downforce?
@@appuuppaappu that and it seems like there is less ABS interference until you hit very low speeds if you watch the brake trace which makes it perfect to learn trail braking
Group 1 cars are touring or rally cars, I'm sure this won't apply in the rally cars at all.
@@Stroker-Z28Gran Turismo Gr.1, not actual Group 1. GT's Gr.1 is top-level prototypes, so Group C, LMP1, and a few VGT cars.
Gr.1 Cars will be better as they can take corners quicker. Wheels will only properly lock at lower speeds.
Known about this trick for ages. It is only beneficial on some cars though not all
@Marqn-lt2lr was the fastest 🤔
Top tips, i was looking for abs video like this...🫡