@@quezdonivey5518 Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Bill Russell 6. Wilt Chamberlain 7. Larry Bird 8. Shaquille O'Neal 9. Tim Duncan 10. Kobe Bryant The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron WS/48: LeBron VORP: LeBron MVP's: LeBron FMVP's: LeBron Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2) LeBron better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.5%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored career LeBron 38,923✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Total 3pointers made LeBron 2,283✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,827 Total Steals career LeBron 2,203✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,944 Total Blocks career LeBron 1,083✔️ Kobe 640 Defensive win shares LeBron 78.56✔️ Kobe 50.66 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Career highs Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
Exactly. Diesel said that. He also stated in May 2001 during the Playoffs: "It's easy to play when you play with the best basketball player in the world" Shaq also said this after their Championship during the ceremony. And also after his own career up till today in podcasts and interviews.
@@heirrose1606no he's not, Kobe won 2 ring without shaq and no top75 player, Pau was the best he had and he was only 1 time allstar before he came to Kobe
@@egrassa1480 How many Top 75 players did Dwight have on that Magic team? That's the one though where LeBron shathimself and didn't give us the Kobe vs LeBron Finals everybody thought would happen. Remember the Nike puppets? Artest saved Kobe's Airball the other year and LA beat the Celtics in a coin-flip Game 7 without Perkins. The Celtics starting 5 with Perkins never lost a series they started and finished. Kobe shot 6-24 that Game 7 for 23pts and 15 rebounds w/ 2 assists & 4 TO, while Pau had 19 & 18 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 TO and 2 blocks. Lakers won by 4 points. Perk plays, Kobe doesn't get those rebounds. That series Gasol went 19 & 12 on 48% shooting while Kobe averaged 29pts on 40%. He took 163 shots compared to Pau's 90 shots, and bricked 97 shots, 7 more than Pau even took. If he passed more to Pau Lakers likely don't need 7 games. Case can be made Gasol was Finals MVP vs Celtics.
Always remember when Stephen A says he loves and misses Kobe, don’t believe it. Good job for finally calling out the double standard against Kobe. Kobe worked his ass off his whole life to have a seat at the table among the greats and only to have it taken away in a tragic death. Now, you got Stephen A disrespecting his memory to trigger Kobe fans. These people make me sick.
I'm not a Kobe fan but man I have mad RESPECT for the guy. Gave his heart out never made any excuses and continue to play whatever cards dealt with.. These guys need to stop disrespecting Kobe.
@@klewis564kobe onlh offically asked out once not multiple times he expected ro be traded instead of shaq but didnt opt out. Once he got somenhelp with gasol he stayed and nevwr requested a trade there after. So shhhhh
Even Shannon Sharpe, who is not known to be a huge Kobe's fan called out Stephen A Smith on that bold-face lie. In my opinion Stephen A's top 5 is based on relationships not actually basketball acumen even though I agree with him on MJ.
Guess what… With the exception of Jordan and The Captain, Bron’s ahead of everyone else. You put Bron alongside a PRIME DIESEL, would’ve had about 15 rings.
@@BolitaDeKetica PRIME DIESEL with unproven Lebron not a guarantee. Both of them have not enough killer instinct in them. It would just be similar to SHAQ & PENNY in Orlando.
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
@@melvinhhcp3615 LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
@@IamLegend-rb4eoI’m not gonna argue with lebron being better, but imma say this, Kobe was taking tough ass shots that why his stats are very misleading,, and in 2011 Lebron also kinda decided to blow up so….
Kobe has become one of the most disrespected players in NBA history. Every day since his passing it has gotten even worse. He’s got to be AT LEAST top 5 all time (but it’s the media so not really shocking what they say)
Kobe has become one of the most overrated players in NBA history. Every day since his passing it has gotten even better. He’s got to be SOMEWHERE top 15 all time (but it’s the media so not really shocking what they say)
I remember when I was a kid (late 2000’s-early 2010’s) Kobe Bryant was in the conversation as one of the greatest of all time, or at the very least top 5. So when I see everyone underrate him and put him in the bottom half of the top 10, to me I find that very, very disrespectful and unwarranted. Especially bc everyone started doing that after he passed away
A prime Shaq would've been Finals MVP with anyone as his teammate, that includes Jordan and Lebron. The fact that Kobe was still able to put up the numbers he did while sharing touches with Shaq is an impressive feat in itself.
Not to mention Kobe often times outplayed Shaq in the western playoffs against the real competition, while Shaq dominated the trash teams in the finals
Prime Shaq was incredible. He doesn’t get finals mvp over prime Jordan I’m sorry. 93 Jordan who averaged 41.0 ppg in the finals and was first team defense? Nah bro.
@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI That's not what he means. In the Finals, Shaq played against some bad centers and an old Motumbo. If Shaq and Jordan were teammates during that 3peat, Shaq would've had better stats than Jordan because he would've been the main option because of his huge advantage against his matchups. Not to mention Jordan would have limited opportunities to score because teams were doing hack-a-shaq so Jordan wouldn't even had the ball enough score as much as Shaq. Jordan also would've had to waste energy on defense like Kobe did guarding Reggie Miller and Jalen Rose(MIP) in 2000, Allen Iverson(MVP) in 2001, and Jason Kidd(1st team NBA) in 2002
@@Chill_Brill I do understand that part of it but I still feel like Shaq would be the 1B of that team. After the 3peat when Kobe improved to the next level he was actually averaging the same amount of not more points than Shaq if it not mistaken and Shaq was definitely still in his prime. If Kobe could do that then I can only imagine what prime Jordan would average with defenses having to worry about Shaq as well. I almost feel like Phil Jackson would sub Shaq out late in some games to avoid the hack a shaq knowing Jordan could close it out with his offense. We’ll never know but I could see it going either way.
@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI During the 3peat Kobe outplayed Shaq sometimes during the western playoffs, especially vs teams with great bigs like Spurs/Duncan and Kings/Webber that could handle Shaq. In the finals those teams in the East Conference had nobody that had a chance to guard Shaq, would make no sense for Phil Jackson to force the ball to Kobe or Jordan when Shaq could score at will
haters will say that kobe's legacy has been overinflated since his passing. no, everyone been saying the same thing when he was alive. no one wants to hear it, but kobe's biggest fans know exactly how good he is. that espn ranking is just more proof that the media shills will say anything to make the chosen one seem better than he really is.
I didn't watch Kobe in his prime, so I just bought into the Kobe narratives from ESPN/FS1 until recent years after listening to context and facts from you, Dreamerspro, Skap Attack, and others on RUclips.
You don't need to see much imo. I started watching the NBA in general in the 2008 finals. I heard my city Boston finally got back to the finals so i thought why not, let's watch it. It took only one series for me to understand, as someone who knew NOTHING about the intricacies of basketball, "that number 24 is something serious"
I was thinking the same thing about Stephen A’s reasoning for not putting Kobe in his top 5. He said yet has both Kareem AND Magic in his top 5. It would be more consistent if he had just picked one of them then made the argument that they were the leader for all of their championships together.
How can anyone penalize Kobe for playing alongside Shaq, but have both Kareem & Magic in their top 5? Kareem won all of his chips with Magic & Oscar Robinson. Magic won all of his championships with Kareem. It's not even that Kobe isn't in his top 5, it's the fact that the standards set aren't even consistent. "That's a lengthy conversation..." Yeah no sh*t because your logic doesn't make any sense.
If anything SHAQ should get penalized for playing with Kobe. However Shaq has and always will the media darling. BUT if you look Shaq was LeBron before Lebron, a glorified loser. Shaq had ONE trip to the finals -(got swept) while either getting SWEPT or gentlemen, sweep (4-1) with the magic out east. Then comes to LA and does the same thing with TWO ALLSTAR (Jones&Van Exel) that happened in the east with the magic. Then AFTER Kobe gets CARRIED by Wade, Then he starts ring hunting. He played with MVP- Nash,LeBron, Big three Boston etc 🤣🤣🤦. While Kobe on the other played with ONE all-star, almost three peating. In THE LOADED WEST beating the most 50win teams. Playing against I believe 10/15 all NBA players. all while LeBron was getting his head beat in out East. Then Kobe with ONE ALL-STAR beats the SAME TEAMS Lefraud loses too 🧐. The NBA media is nothing but liars, leading all these blind witnesses.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room..in the 2001 postseason run...not just the finals..but throughout the whole postseason...you can argue kobe was better player than shaq in 3 of the 4 series. That gets overlooked but kobe dominated 2nd round against the kings and conference finals against spurs. He even arguably played better in the 1st round too. Look at the overall postseason..not just the finals.
This era has been brainwashed to ignore that. I mean Magic won his 1st FMVP based on 1 game. Kareem was the one carrying the team. He just sat 1 game due to injury.
@@nicholashackie1407yeah dude he was making life easier for Kobe to score bro How was Kobe better than Shaq in those playoff You are really delusional Shaq was getting hack because nobody could stop him He was wearing down centers Ai was giving Kobe the business too You think if Shaq wasn't on that team they could have beaten the sixers lol get out of here
Shaq really dominated in the NBA finals every year but really what center in the East was stopping shaq? He was just too big. Every finals matchup with the exception of Ben Wallace it was a huge mismatch. Kobe going up against Ai, Jason Kidd, and Reggie Miller is more impressive. Other than the NBA finals it was a toss up who led the Lakers in scoring in the western playoff series, once it got to the finals against the EAST the big men Shaq was matched up against just wasn’t the same, so he dominated them as expected. Shaq was a huge mismatch for any center that they played in the East. The only smart thing to do is take advantage of the mismatch. Kobe dominated some series and Shaq dominated some, if anything they were a 1a and 1b.
I agree i respect Shaq but he was putting those numbers vs east who had weak center or were past there prime. While Kobe had to guard three hall of famers Miller AI and Kidd in there prime
There’s also an argument that shaq can’t win one without another dominant player. Shaq couldn’t win it when he was in Orlando. With Stephan logic, it should also apply to shaq, lebron, MJ, kareem, Magic, and anyone else who won a championship.
@@nokturn882 I agree KAJ has 6 titles and he won 5 with Magic and the other one with Oscar Robertson that doesn’t get talked about. Magic all 5 with KAJ and 3 with both KAJ & Worthy, Shaq with Kobe & Wade, Lebron with atleast 2 other top 15 players in the league at the time. You can make the argument against all of them, and we can agree that gasol isn’t on the level of any of those other players maybe except Kevin love who was a 3rd option on his team and gasol was a 2nd option team.
So LeBron didn't need Miami, Wade, Bosh, Love, Irving, and AD to win his championship. To counter the ignorance, you need facts. SAS is more of a caricature than an analysis. I don't put stock into his opinion or Shannon's. The only people making weak ass arguments are fanboys or loyalists. Listening to the video, I hear you doing the same thing. Magic isn't as good as Kobe, or Kobe was better than Kareem. Damn shame. We should ask why LeBron is the greatest of the four players
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on teams titles Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams titles unlike Kobe 🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
Why didnt you post what kobe averaged in the other 2 playoffs run? Lol and lebron wasnt the best player on the lakers AD led the team in points rebounds blocks and steals and was the best defender
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on teams titles Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams titles unlike Kobe 🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
The whole "Shaq carried Kobe argument" just because Shaq won the FMVPS is invalid and just outright incorrect. The fact is a prime Shaq would've won Finals MVP with anyone as his teammate, that includes Jordan and Lebron.
@@Anthonyduwayne goat 🐐 Jordan would have been finals mvp even with Shaq O'Neal try again 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on teams titles Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Bill Russell 6. Wilt Chamberlain 7. Larry Bird 8. Shaquille O'Neal 9. Tim Duncan 10. Kobe Bryant The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron WS/48: LeBron VORP: LeBron MVP's: LeBron FMVP's: LeBron Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2) LeBron better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.5%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored career LeBron 38,879✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Total 3pointers made LeBron 2,277✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,827 Total Steals career LeBron 2,198✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,944 Total Blocks career LeBron 1,082✔️ Kobe 640 Defensive win shares LeBron 78.40✔️ Kobe 50.66 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Career highs Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
And on the opposite end of the spectrum you have people like yourself saying he's the 2nd greatest player ever. You've lost your damn mind if you think he's the 2nd greatest player of all time. Shaq, Duncan, and Lebron are all in his "era" and all were better players than Kobe. Guess you missed all the years when he quit on the Lakers and couldn't get them to top 8 in the West to make the playoffs. Guess you missed the part where he missed the most shots in NBA history. C'mon man. 2nd all time? You must be just a diehard fan to say something so outlandish. Kobe Bean Bryant is an all time great. I mean no disrespect by bringing that stuff up. But when people say he's the 2nd greatest player ever it sounds as idiotic as people disrespecting him. Both sides are wrong.
@@DavionSpade-ui3phHis stats look good but I will still choose Kobe and here why first MJ even said he would choose Kobe or Lebron because Kobe would go play his heart out and win championships while Lebron has been to more NBA finals than MJ or Kobe and lost more than win they have said this plenty of times on other channels the reason Lebron has better stats he played and I am sorry to say this but in the East where it was much easier compared to the west where some of the best teams had great defense and yes I am a LeBron James hater and the some of reason I hate him is for his flopping crying about refs not calling fouls on him while he gets away traveling and when it comes down to clutch time he is nowhere to be found and the most people would agree he gives up on his team when he is losing while LeBron is respected Kobe was feared so.
@@angelbeats8996 Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on teams titles Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams titles unlike Kobe 🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
Magic nor Kareem is rarely if ever penalized for being teammates., so why should Kobe and Shaq be? Lebron is actually ranked over all players according to many but has had more help than any other NBA Superstar, especially in top 5. I don't get why Kobe's first three has an asterisk and his last two are overlooked. The media treat Kobe like he has a losing Finals record or no chips at all.
Because playing next to the most dominant force ever in the NBA for those 3 seasons, aka Shaq, was playing the game on Easy Mode. Shaq would've won the same 3 rings with any of the All-Star wings from those 3 seasons. Give Shaq AI, Reggie, or Vince and they still get 3.
First three years with the Lakers Shaq didn't win anything without Kobe. Stephen is delusional. He any titles until Kobe was put in the starting lineup. Couldn't any titles with penny. Kobe won two titles without Shaq
That's true but Shaq won nothing until Kobe was in the starting lineup and the addition of Phil Jackson. Shaq got destroyed by mjs bulls and hakeems rockets.
@@garycollier6950 Shaq got bodied by Wallace in 04 as he trapped him and Shaq couldn't do as much as he wanted. Shaq avg 13ppg vs Mavs when he got absolutely CARRIED by D-Wade in 06 Finals. But Shaq is great huuh 🤡
@@teamsolidgaming629 Kobe got swept in the 2011 playoffs against the Mavericks.In games 3 and 4 Kobe scored 17 points in each game.Those are not GOAT stats.
5 reasons why Kobe was better than Mike 1. Kobe played his career in a more difficult era. Hand-checking, guard matchups, zone defenses. He had to play against prime D Wade, LeBron, T Mac, Joe Johnson, KD, Klay Thompson, Arenas, AI, Paul Pierce, Harden, Ray Allen etc. Compare them to who MJ played at guard and you'll see Kobe had to play against better guards. 2. Kobe won back to back championships BASICALLY ON HIS OWN. Only decent player he had was Pau who's not a top 75 player all time. Jordan 1-9 playoff record without Pippen so don't let his 6-0 finals record make you think he never lost. He bailed his team out many times when his team needed him most. Especially in the Denver and Magic series. Kobe was a offensive powerhouse and was the core of those teams. They were gonna live or die by his shots. It shows to the assassin he was. MJ had Scottie to defer to for all his finals facing easier competition. 3. Kobe has more game winners and more shots in the clutch and all time scoring higher than Jordan. Both Kobe/MJ lived for the last shot but THE MAMBA had the edge in the clutch due to the degree of difficulty of the shots he made and how consistently he made them even against amazing defense where as MJ couldn't shoot 3's as good as Kobe. 4. SCORING EXPLOSIONS - We all know about Kobe's 81 against Toronto but less known is Kobe's 4 straight 50 point games or his 9 straight 40 point games all whole shooting 50% from the field. Which shows how efficient Kobe was in his prime. Also Kobe has avg 40 PPG in a month 4 times. How Kobe exploded has never been matched, he blew up the stat sheets to where the NBA hadn't seen since Wilt and Kobe did it in the modern era as a SG. 5. True Kobe fans know how much he was held back by Phil Jackson. Imagine if Kobe had stayed in when he scored 62 in 3 quarters vs the Mavs. He could have cleared 70 points so many times if Phil let him stay in the game more. Kobe even says that when he tied Mike's record with 9 straight 40 point games, Phil told him to dial it back, stopping him from breaking the record. Phil would hold him back for some strange reason. Kobe is the GOAT. He had more of a killer instinct, higher scoring numbers, higher points in a game, more game winners, 2 championships basically on his own, and the MAMBA mentality.
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe Finals Mvps Jordan 6✔️ (most all time) Kobe 2 Rings Jordan 6✔️ Kobe 5 League Mvps Jordan 5✔️ Kobe 1 Total Mvps (league and finals) Jordan 11✔️ (most all time) Kobe 3 Scoring titles Jordan 10✔️ (most all time) Kobe 2 Steals leader Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993) Kobe 0 All defensive first team selections Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️ Kobe 9 in 20 years 45% Defensive player of year Jordan 1✔️ (1988) Kobe 0 Career Steals Jordan 2,514✔️ Kobe 1,944 Career blocks Jordan 893✔️ Kobe 640 Seasons played Kobe 20 Jordan 15 Points per game (regular season) Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 24.99 Player efficiency rating Jordan 1st all time ✔️ Kobe 24th all time Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career Seasons average +30 ppg Jordan 8✔️ Kobe 3 Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg Jordan 5✔️ Kobe 0 3point% (NBA finals) Jordan 36.8%✔️ Kobe 31.4% Playoff game winning buzzer beaters Jordan 3✔️ Kobe 1 Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️ Kobe 7-28 fg for 25% Jordan way better player then Kobe Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant 1991 NBA finals Bulls 4 Lakers 1 First ring Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 First ring Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times 2004 NBA finals Pistons 4 Lakers 1 Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince 2004 NBA finals Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
Really appreciate this video my guy. Finally, someone gives Kobe the credit he deserves. Down right sickening how mainstream media disrespects the great one Mr Bean. I've watch your La'Bum and MJ comp vids and loved those also. Good work again on this one 👌
You just cant cry about people disrespecting a great player while disrespecting another great player. You're acting exactly like the people you're crying about.
Kobe lead his team in assists for all 5 of his playoffs & finals runs! *ballhog* & Kobe generated and was responsible for more points than Shaq during those runs!
Kobe lead every player on those teams in usage rate by a wide margin. A guard with a 30+ USG% HAS to lead is team in assists. By the way, in the last 40 years, the only other guard with an USG% similar as Kobe USG% who made fewer passes than him is Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell is an overall efficient scorer tho, Kobe is not. Kobe is both one of the less-efficient guard of his category shooting wise and one of the worst passer too. That's the point.
@@Herzederyou can look at the stats majority of kobes points came from the mid range, that's why his shooting percentage is lower than other players because most players get their points around the basket
i'm actually going to take it a step further for Kareem... he NEVER won a chip w/o having a Point God on his team so truly how great was he... after realizing this its changed my evaluation of him completely, no longer is he in my top 3
I agree Shaq did carry Kobe to the locker room when they won the championship and carrying the trophy and I am really starting to believe Stephen A Smith needs to be drug tested with Nick Wright and Gilbert Arenas!!!
i honestly dont care where you put kobe on your list, you better just have the same energy for everyone when it comes to your criteria. What you'll come to realize is, there are lots of aspects of kobe that you are conveniently leaving out.
No. It was LeShannon who did that as they took turns of their top 5. You know LeShannon admitted on air on UNDISPUTED that he sleeps in his custom made bedsheets and pyjamas. A 50 year old grown man 🤦🏾♂️
Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Bill Russell 6. Wilt Chamberlain 7. Larry Bird 8. Shaquille O'Neal 9. Tim Duncan 10. Kobe Bryant The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron WS/48: LeBron VORP: LeBron MVP's: LeBron FMVP's: LeBron Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2) LeBron better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.5%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored career LeBron 38,879✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Total 3pointers made LeBron 2,277✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,827 Total Steals career LeBron 2,198✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,944 Total Blocks career LeBron 1,082✔️ Kobe 640 Defensive win shares LeBron 78.40✔️ Kobe 50.66 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Career highs Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
What's so ridiculous if Michael Jordan or LeBron play with a prime Shaq probably wouldn't win mvp and be the second option it's so obvious how the try to belittle Kobe playing along with Shaq.
Magic Johnson was the 4th leading scorer in the 1982 NBA Finals but he led the team in rebounding. A point guard. He out-rebounded Kareem by 3 per game. He also led the team in steals that series. He always provided what was necessary to win. You can't judge Magic by the points he averaged. That would eliminate the context you want everyone to have for Kobe. Magic was the floor general, on-court coach and utility guy providing whatever was needed. How can he be judged by points when he was setting everyone else up for their points? Or leading the team in rebounding when necessary? Magic was not stuffing the stat sheet to be the Finals MVP or GOAT. He was more organic in his focus: WINNING. If he could win scoring 10 ppg then he was happy with that. If he needed to average 25, he did that too. If he needed to lead the team in rebounding, he did. If he needed to lead the team in steals, he did that. Whatever was necessary. Not just a scorer.
Kobe was the floor general when he won with Pau. When he won with shaq, he literally was playing the facilitator, defense, and offense. Kobe was the whole entire package compared to Magic. If you going to highlight Magic’s contribution, you need to do the same for Kobe. His contribution to the championships were a lot more than what magic did in his championships.
I don't even care about all that bro.. I'd really rather watch Kobe's game over LeBron, Mike, Magic and all those Bigs that are in SAS top 5.. Kobe was a waulking bucket and was the most creative player I've ever seen. Tell me when a player averages 40 ppg for two months straight TWICE in their career like Kobe did.
Shaq didn’t carry Kobe but he definitely was the leader/alpha n it’s not really debatable and Kobe fans are mainly the only ones that don’t admit it. Kobe was a great number 2 for the 3 years they won, the 3rd year is arguably the better argument for him being a equal but it’s still clear Shaq was the alpha. People talk about the disrespect Kobe gets but never the disrespect shaq gets and it’s absolutely insane tbh .
@@Mike1122. Kobe was a great #2 . But he also had games where he quit on the team concept, ie pistons finals. He also had games where he shot horribly, which everybody does but his dominance came thru Shaquille O’Neal. Kobe wasn’t doubled nearly as much due to shaq being double or triple teamed. Shaq went to the conference finals on every team he went to n final on every team he led . Kobe at the time was a great marksmen while shaq was a tank. Shaqs numbers and accolades prove who was the number one guy and it not really close and has only changed to be that way in the past 15 years. Before Kobe won those championships people hated Kobe because he ran shaq out, the fans knew what they lost at the time. Of course people still like him but Kobe was the recipient to many death threats due to the fact that the team went in shambles. Kobe has always needed a great big in order to win and only won 2 as a leader . The other 3 shaq was a leader. Shaq always needed a great wing player but he still was the clear cut dominate player. ( a little less in Miami of course but that was mainly because he allowed Dwayne wade to be the leader and alpha of the team)
Why do people keep on disrespecting the legend of Kobe Bryant while the man is trying to rest in peace?? Of course Kobe won three with Shaq, how about the other two without him?? SMH.
I like Kobe as much as anyone else, but the Kareem hate is unwarranted. He won finals mvp at the age of 38. He was always a great defendive piece even in his old age. He was 42 in his last championship so those 14 pts per game arent even bad.
@@NotGord I think he was too. He was already Pro level in college and way more athletic the first half of his career. His defense is why I still have him #2. Since I was a kid I have wondered how Bill Russell would've done vs Kareem those 3 seasons and if that would've changed the end of that Celtics run.
Ive never heard anyone say Tim Duncan was carried ever. Yet dude averaged points in the teens in 3 championship runs. Kobe scored a higher % of his team's points. Clear bias imo
These people who bash Kobe should count their blessings in that they do not have to face the Chinese basketball fans. The first Mainland Chinese who were big time Basketball fans who also actually spent huge amounts of money on the NBA were all Kobe fans!
Hopefully Stephen A and other clowns see your content and similar videos. Nice breakdown brother. Kobe best ever behind Jordan! I'm keeping it that way! Igaf what these analysts have to say. They probably hardly even hooped themselves and get paid to push narratives.
My problem is not the fact that these people have Kobe out of the top 5 it’s their reasoning’s and excuses to why they don’t. At least have a valid reason backed by facts and data to why YOU believe he isn’t top 5. I respect anybody’s opinion cause at the end of the day all these rankings are opinion based. But to be one of the top so called Nba analysts on TV. To provide a reasoning like the one Stephen A smith provided is unacceptable and contradictory
So ridiculous and makes no sense. Magic himself, Jeanie Buss and Shaq, as well as many others, have Kobe as the goat Laker. Magic had Kareem for all five, Kobe won back to back titles without Shaq as well! Lebron has been ring chasing on different teams teaming up with some of the best players in the world...more than once! And respect to the godfathers like Russel - no one will come close to 11 rings - but it was a much different time and league with like 10 teams, and we know Kobe is the better basketball player.
Kobe wins 2 titles, 2 finals MVPs and a regular season MVP without Shaq but sure, Shaq sure carried Kobe. 2000 is the only year you could kinda argue Shaq carried Kobe but the other years? Forget about it.
Can’t even do that with context. Shaq had an allstar PG & SG for multiple years in the WC… somehow only won a chip when Kobe became the starter… has to stand for something. Especially after saving the MVP in that blazers series.
@@TeezyfolKKzgiven how Shaq was playing that year I would understand someone arguing that given Shaq and his ungodly finals stat line but personally I feel Kobe did plenty that year too. Lakers had troubles in the series before as you mentioned and Kobe had a lot to do with the Lakers surviving the Blazers. The finals was mostly Shaq powered but getting there was a different story.
@@melvinhhcp3615 I think no one calls that out because then they have to throw Rose under the bus. ESPN leads the “fuck Kobe” campaign until it’s his death anniversary
I agree Shaq really dominated in the NBA finals every year but really what center in the East was stopping shaq? He was just too big. Every finals matchup with the exception of Ben Wallace it was a huge mismatch. Kobe going up against Ai, Jason Kidd, and Reggie Miller is more impressive. Other than the NBA finals it was a toss up who led the Lakers in scoring in the western playoff series, once it got to the finals against the EAST the big men Shaq was matched up against just wasn’t the same, so he dominated them as expected.
@@Herzeder no I’m saying Shaq posed more mismatches obviously. And the Lakers exploited the mismatch. If you know anything about basketball or sports in general that’s what happens doesn’t necessarily mean your better. Talent wise Hakeem was better than shaq but shaq size and strength wise is just unguardable there was no one physically that could match up, I’m saying just because shaq wasn’t defendable doesn’t make him better.
@@jacobyjonez9900 I ain't disrespecting Kobe or nothing like that but I'm just saying any superstar wouldn't probably be number one option if they had prime Shaq dominating the paint and putting up monster numbers.
@@LarryBrown-us8rg naw I 100% agree with everything you said, I was just saying that shaqs numbers usually went up in the finals vs the other 3 rounds due to the huge gap in talent and size that he was matched up against vs the Eastern conference bigs it was a complete mismatch everytime.
When you understand that they have to bring down others to make someone else seem greater even tho the players and coaches say otherwise you know there’s a problem not to mention the hypocrisy on the list 💀
With how these stars join team to team it’s just crazy how they shame Kobe for being drafted to a good situation. Kobe made the best of that situation and gets slandered for it.
So Lebron getting 2 titles with D Wade, a top 3 guy and Kyrie and AD disqualifies LeBron then. We all know Kyrie carried Lebron in the 2nd half’s of that win vs GSW in 2016, along with help from NBA. And that crap bubble chip, AD carried Lebron on both ends of the court. D Wade had to goad and mentor Lebron into taking a the reigns for Miami after losing the first year. He continued to mentor him until he left. That should also disqualify Lebron as Kobe didn’t need any mentoring or encouragement to be the man. This is NBA/Klutch agenda overriding what the majority know from watching both players. Kobe is better mentally and skills wise. There is no contest. He using stat padding to make himself top 5. Never worked like that before.
As much as I respect Bill Russel nobody should have him top 10. He played in era with LESS teams LESS overall skill, and No Defense. Also Kobe Made it back to back to back to the finals TWICE while Shaq only did it once because of Kobe.
Then you don't know basketball saying Bill Russell not top 10 and then basketball legends would tell you this Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Bill Russell 6. Wilt Chamberlain 7. Larry Bird 8. Shaquille O'Neal 9. Tim Duncan 10. Kobe Bryant The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron WS/48: LeBron VORP: LeBron MVP's: LeBron FMVP's: LeBron Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2) LeBron better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.5%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored career LeBron 38,879✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Total 3pointers made LeBron 2,277✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,827 Total Steals career LeBron 2,198✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,944 Total Blocks career LeBron 1,082✔️ Kobe 640 Defensive win shares LeBron 78.40✔️ Kobe 50.66 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Career highs Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
I agree with Stephen A Smith Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history and 3x sidekick isnt top 5 player all time thats why his individual stats say Finals Mvps all time Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Magic 3 Shaq 3 Duncan 3 League Mvps (individual player) Kareem 6 Jordan 5 Russell 5 Wilt 4 LeBron 4 Shaq O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings Fan girls bUt KoBe hAs 5 rInGs Yeah rings a team accomplishment not a individual players Pippen 6 rings has more then Kobe 5 rings now what Duncan 3 finals mvps, 2 league mvps better player then Kobe 2 finals mvps, 1 league mvp Kobe Bryant 41% fg only 31% 3pt in NBA finals career not even a great performer Jordan, Kareem, Russell, LeBron, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem all 9 players better then Kobe
For context: LBJ shoots 37% outside of 3 feet. And is 20 out of 112 in clutch time. Saying that LBJ is a better shooter than Kobe is like saying that Shaq was a better shooter than LBJ because he had a higher shot percentage. Now if you want to say that LBJ is better overall, yeah sure, but let’s get the shooting record straight.
@@awesomereviews1561 LeBron higher 3point% then Kobe career so yo outside of 3 feet logic holds no water LeBron 38,879 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
@@Kings0424 You want to have Kobe Bryants baby that's why you crying because he laid facts that yo hero isn't top 5 player all time you the casual who doesn't know basketball lol
It's absolutely insane to mention that Pippen has more rings than Kobe as if Pippen impact on winning was the same or better than Kobe's. You might as well say Horry > Pippen> Kobe which is just as insane
Kobe was great and Shaq was mist dominant to ever play. Love kobe and Gasol and Bynum were not bad. He's top 10 ever and also magic and bird played with lots talent as well
If shaq carried kobe why didnt he win before kobe? Its pretty simple I'd also like to point out lebron wasnt the best player on his team for his lakers title
Pay Kobe Bryant some respect!!! Kobe was all defensive player more than 10 times!!! 5 titles. Multiple MVP PLAYER. Scored 81 points in ONE GAME!!! . has multiple 60 point games. He’s absolutely amazing!!! We watched it!!!!!!!!
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on teams titles Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams titles unlike Kobe 🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
@@vaulthuntershawn260 Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Bill Russell 6. Wilt Chamberlain 7. Larry Bird 8. Shaquille O'Neal 9. Tim Duncan 10. Kobe Bryant The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron WS/48: LeBron VORP: LeBron MVP's: LeBron FMVP's: LeBron Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2) LeBron better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.5%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored career LeBron 38,879✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Total 3pointers made LeBron 2,277✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,827 Total Steals career LeBron 2,198✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,944 Total Blocks career LeBron 1,082✔️ Kobe 640 Defensive win shares LeBron 78.40✔️ Kobe 50.66 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Career highs Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
@@DavionSpade-ui3ph ok so that's no. Bad milestones by LeBron James bad, bad milestones for Kobe good. Also quit that copy n paste Atlantic top ten bs. Putting it up on any video critical of LeBron James doesn't help your case you know. Kobe may not be the best NBA player but I still respect him way more than the wannabe fake king.
@@socrates39 Funny that Kobrick Bryant has most missed shots in NBA history his name should be only one with brick in it since that's what he does best Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not even top 10 player all time
I was gonna say, Kobe was 21-23yrs old and in ‘00-‘01 he was avg one less point than Shaq in the postseason and only 2 less the next year. Shaq getting more blocks and rebounds, Kobe getting more assists and steals as expected. But Shaq was in the heart of his prime. We gotta stop acting like a 3peat as “superstar 1b” as a college aged kid just doesn’t count or mean anything
So I guess Kobe just lucked into being a first team All-NBA all 3 seasons, making the All-Defensive 2nd team at just 21 (the youngest to ever do it), and making 1st team All-Defense in 2001 and 2002 as the best perimeter defender in the league. That's with scoring 22 ppg, 25 ppg, and 28 ppg in those three seasons. In the playoffs during those years he averaged 21 ppg, 28 ppg, and 28 ppg again if I am correct. I don't care which all-time great superstar Guard, or Forward played with Shaq on those Lakers teams. They all would have played second fiddle to Shaq simply because Shaq was a dominant Center, and Shaq got the most high percentage looks under the basket in the low post. The Lakers main goal was to find ways to get Shaq the ball in the low post, or take advantage of double and triple teams against him on the perimeter. Kobe sacrificed some of his production in order to win titles with Shaq. Kobe was easily a top 3 to top 5 player in all of those 3 seasons. Each of those three seasons the argument for best player was between Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and Iverson. I would argue that in 2001, and 2002, Kobe was the best player in the game, and certainly the best 2-way player from 2000-2002 hands down, even over Duncan. The guys Kobe went up against were some of the best Guards, and SF's the league has ever seen whether it was Reggie Miller, Scottie Pippen, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, TMac, etc.
Kobe was lead to his first 3 rings by Shaq. For his last 2 rings he lead his Lakers team to the championship. LeBron was lead to his first 2 rings by D-Wade. Kyrie lead him to his 3 ring and finally for his fourth LeBron lead his Lakers team to the victory were he won The Bubble aka The Fake Championship. 😂
The NETFLIX documentary “The ReDeem Team” shows Kobe is greater than LeBron. Shoot, LeBrob was partying with DWade and Mello in Vegas one night until 4:30 AM, they were losing to Greece and Argentina. Kobe joins the team. He passes them at 5am in the Hotel lobby after they were out all night partying. Kobe is in his workout gear going to the gym. LeBron said to Mello and DWade “what the hell is he doing” Kobe said he was going to work. LeBron said “Kobe is just different.” AKA, he admitted Kobe was on another level than LeBron.
Kobe ave. 28ppg in their 1st ring and on the third ring he averaged more than shaq 30ppg shaq carried kobe… Pippen averaged 17ppg to Jordan’s 30plus ppg but pip carried mj.. woke nba fans
Thanks for the comparative insights between Kobe, Magic, Kareem & Russell to expose ESPN hypocrisy. Ditto for Fox Sports analysts. Also note that 2001-02 Lakers featured Dual Alphas.
I would say that just because he is not a top five player of all time should not be taken as a put-down. If he is 6-15, based on Stephen A Smith or ESPN, that is still very impressive.
I really see yall as kids arguing about their favorite flavor of ice-cream, not having the cognivite abilities to understand nuance and subjectivity. Yall are taking this GOAT thing a bit too seriously, it really doesnt mean shit. Kobe was a great player with some pretty bad flaws, like most great players really. If he's your favorite player (or one of your favorite) it's absolutely ok. Nobody has to share your opinion on him tho. I know that Kobe is many people's childhood hero and it's hard to have an objective opinion on a childhood hero. It's natural. That said, it's time to grow up and understand that everyone's story is different, your story is no more valid than anyone else's. What matters is not that we all agree on the top 10 players, what matters is that we should all have the right to give an interesting and educated opinion on the subject in a respectful and friendly atmosphere. Facing up to other people's opinions is what makes us grow and evolve as human beings. We have to learn to accept that others are not bound to feel the same way as we do. (This is something we normally learn around the age of 6, but Kobe/Lakers fans generally don't seem to have had much access to a basic education). Also, trying to prove anything about Kobe greatness by using statistical evidence is a pretty dangerous task. Absolutely no advanced metrics are favorable to Kobe (at least not to the point of proving that he's one of the 10 or even 15 best players ever), and you know it. If you like Kobe that much you're either an eye-test guy or consciously biased, using stats is pointless. Give me a heartfelt argument, tell me why you love him so much, I'll be glad to hear/read it but if we really dive into statitistics you'll just lose the debate. And by the way, yall really should stop watching TV, it's making your brain melt really. You're watching people get paid to make awful hottakes but for some reason you're fucking surprised and angry when they're making awful hottakes. Come on.
In that Magic series in 09, ppl also forget Howard was the DPOY that year AND the Magic had THREE all stars that year. Howard, Lewis, and Nelson were all selected to the all star team. Jameer Nelson was injured during the all star game, so he was replaced. But he was selected as an all star. And he was healthy in the Finals.
Kareem was 40 when he won the title in 1988... So I'd say his stats are still pretty good; he even played and started the 24 games of these playoffs, averaging 30 minutes/game.
I was with you until you started criticizing Kareem’s last 3 finals stats. First off Kareem was in his late 30s/early 40s during those runs, still played solid defense, and he allowed Magic to shine especially in the 87 and 88 finals.
It’s just funny how Kobe gets the carried by shaq treatment, but guys like lebron who played with TWO all stars for all his championships doesn’t get that. Combine wade and Bosh’s stats and they are more than shaqs averages all around. Combine Irving and loves stats and they are more then shaq. But, since it’s divided it looks like lebron was the best player when really he was the one being carried. Shaq won his first chip with Kobe while bron had to go to wade who was already finals mvp to win lol
No one now can't stop LeBrons mid range, it's crazy how LeBron health is the major asset. But kobe managed even a little past his prime to guard LeBron.
I’ve always said this. Kobe is a better player than Magic. Kobe is the better scorer, defender, clutch player. Magic had far more help than Kobe. Magic was a better passer and rebounder than Kobe.
Kobe Bryant is at the top three all-time greatest players in NBA history and if you see it differently you can miss me with it... But if we're talking Kobe as a Laker he's the greatest Laker of all time. I don't even see how that's up for debate? I mean did you guys bother looking at the roster he took to three consecutive NBA finals without Shaq and if I'm not mistaken he got two championships out of that... Seriously the Kobe Bryant disrespect needs to come to an end...
It’s not disrespectful to have Kobe outside the top 5 🤦♂️😂 All Stephen A had to say was “I think these guys are better than Kobe” and that should have been enough. But because of the internet being full of whiners he had to give reasons why and his reasons were weak probably because he didn’t believe them himself, he just said them because he knew saying Kobe ain’t better than those guys (which is true) would have made the internet fans pee in their pyjamas more than they already are.
They leave Kobe out of these goat debates to protect Lebron. Bc anyone with eyes who watched them go head to head from 2003-2013 knows Kobe owned Lebron.
@garycollier6950 That's a good question 🤔 You might need to go back and look at all the court documents 😬 I heard she liked men and had someone else's semen on her 😬 you fcktard🫡
People forget Kobe won 2 rings by himself with less star help… and the Celtics was a super team, but no one wants to talk about that … those rings are valuable
Kobe Bryant was never carried by anyone, Shaq was the man but so was Kobe. Both were the creme of the crop when it comes to elite superstars at that time, dominance and skill.
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when he was alive Kobe called ESPN a bunch of idiots, so this isn't at all surprising
He's not wrong tho
That’s why most of the media hated him
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Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.5%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 38,923✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,283✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,203✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,083✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 78.56✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
I mean he has a point since they have jackasses like SAS , Kendrim perkins and Shannon SHarpe
Even after his passing three years later, the disrespect towards Kobe is still at large.
But also so many have lifted up Kobe cause of his passing it's like a double edged sword
People literally have this man in the top 5 now when hes not even supposed to be there
Huh? ESPN created a Kobe Day for him and he's gotten tons of love since he died, including a BS Oscar.
@@taxationistheft7😂😂😂😂
@@taxationistheft7 yet you probably think LeBron is #2
We miss the part when shaq himself said Kobe carried him.
He was lazy on purpose because he knew he had kobe
Exactly. Diesel said that.
He also stated in May 2001 during the Playoffs: "It's easy to play when you play with the best basketball player in the world"
Shaq also said this after their Championship during the ceremony.
And also after his own career up till today in podcasts and interviews.
Shaq was just being nice and emotional after Kobe's death Grow up man
@@heirrose1606no he's not, Kobe won 2 ring without shaq and no top75 player, Pau was the best he had and he was only 1 time allstar before he came to Kobe
Shaq was clearly the most valuable player for the Lakers!
@@egrassa1480 How many Top 75 players did Dwight have on that Magic team? That's the one though where LeBron shathimself and didn't give us the Kobe vs LeBron Finals everybody thought would happen. Remember the Nike puppets? Artest saved Kobe's Airball the other year and LA beat the Celtics in a coin-flip Game 7 without Perkins. The Celtics starting 5 with Perkins never lost a series they started and finished. Kobe shot 6-24 that Game 7 for 23pts and 15 rebounds w/ 2 assists & 4 TO, while Pau had 19 & 18 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 TO and 2 blocks. Lakers won by 4 points. Perk plays, Kobe doesn't get those rebounds. That series Gasol went 19 & 12 on 48% shooting while Kobe averaged 29pts on 40%. He took 163 shots compared to Pau's 90 shots, and bricked 97 shots, 7 more than Pau even took. If he passed more to Pau Lakers likely don't need 7 games. Case can be made Gasol was Finals MVP vs Celtics.
What's funny is they have LeBron at number one and he isn't even close to being the greatest Laker.
That don’t even make sense he’s not the greatest laker cause Kobe was there his whole career
@@SecretSocietyTVnot only that lebron on the lakers was never as good as kobe was!!not even close!!lebron best years were in miami!!
@riotordiet9154 facts fam the NBA views going down for a reason nobody really watching overhyped sports nomore
Ok? He’s only spent 6 seasons in La so far and his peak in Miami is top 2 all time
Always remember when Stephen A says he loves and misses Kobe, don’t believe it. Good job for finally calling out the double standard against Kobe. Kobe worked his ass off his whole life to have a seat at the table among the greats and only to have it taken away in a tragic death. Now, you got Stephen A disrespecting his memory to trigger Kobe fans. These people make me sick.
I'm not a Kobe fan but man I have mad RESPECT for the guy. Gave his heart out never made any excuses and continue to play whatever cards dealt with.. These guys need to stop disrespecting Kobe.
Lol that’s not true ! Kobe quit on his teammate multiple times and asked to be traded multiple times as well! Lol what are you talkin about
@@klewis564kobe onlh offically asked out once not multiple times he expected ro be traded instead of shaq but didnt opt out. Once he got somenhelp with gasol he stayed and nevwr requested a trade there after. So shhhhh
same for magic in 1991@@klewis564
nice try tho@@klewis564
also magic asked for a trade multiple times that logic flips on you@@klewis564
Even Shannon Sharpe, who is not known to be a huge Kobe's fan called out Stephen A Smith on that bold-face lie. In my opinion Stephen A's top 5 is based on relationships not actually basketball acumen even though I agree with him on MJ.
Putting Lebron ahead of everyone is the highest disrespect.
Don’t tell that to bron fans who make up stuff
Guess what…
With the exception of Jordan and The Captain, Bron’s ahead of everyone else. You put Bron alongside a PRIME DIESEL, would’ve had about 15 rings.
Labron is the KANG
@@BolitaDeKetica PRIME DIESEL with unproven Lebron not a guarantee. Both of them have not enough killer instinct in them. It would just be similar to SHAQ & PENNY in Orlando.
@@BolitaDeKetica it would just have the same result as with PRIME LEBRON and Washed up SHAQ in Cleveland. They’ve tried it and failed.
The disrespect of Kobe Bryant is ridiculous but lift up LeBron James who is nowhere near the level Kobe was on
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LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
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LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
@@IamLegend-rb4eo Eyeball test doesn't lie. Kobe's better. It ain't about stats all the time
@@IamLegend-rb4eoI’m not gonna argue with lebron being better, but imma say this, Kobe was taking tough ass shots that why his stats are very misleading,, and in 2011 Lebron also kinda decided to blow up so….
Kobe has become one of the most disrespected players in NBA history. Every day since his passing it has gotten even worse. He’s got to be AT LEAST top 5 all time (but it’s the media so not really shocking what they say)
For real. The disrespect is crazy
Kobe has become one of the most overrated players in NBA history. Every day since his passing it has gotten even better. He’s got to be SOMEWHERE top 15 all time (but it’s the media so not really shocking what they say)
@@Ingeborga_Dapkunaite How is Kobe overrated.
The LeBron driven media is behind this. Now Lakers fans are witnessing first hand how the media lies to prop up LeBron
I remember when I was a kid (late 2000’s-early 2010’s) Kobe Bryant was in the conversation as one of the greatest of all time, or at the very least top 5. So when I see everyone underrate him and put him in the bottom half of the top 10, to me I find that very, very disrespectful and unwarranted. Especially bc everyone started doing that after he passed away
A prime Shaq would've been Finals MVP with anyone as his teammate, that includes Jordan and Lebron. The fact that Kobe was still able to put up the numbers he did while sharing touches with Shaq is an impressive feat in itself.
Not to mention Kobe often times outplayed Shaq in the western playoffs against the real competition, while Shaq dominated the trash teams in the finals
Prime Shaq was incredible. He doesn’t get finals mvp over prime Jordan I’m sorry. 93 Jordan who averaged 41.0 ppg in the finals and was first team defense? Nah bro.
@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI That's not what he means. In the Finals, Shaq played against some bad centers and an old Motumbo. If Shaq and Jordan were teammates during that 3peat, Shaq would've had better stats than Jordan because he would've been the main option because of his huge advantage against his matchups.
Not to mention Jordan would have limited opportunities to score because teams were doing hack-a-shaq so Jordan wouldn't even had the ball enough score as much as Shaq. Jordan also would've had to waste energy on defense like Kobe did guarding Reggie Miller and Jalen Rose(MIP) in 2000, Allen Iverson(MVP) in 2001, and Jason Kidd(1st team NBA) in 2002
@@Chill_Brill I do understand that part of it but I still feel like Shaq would be the 1B of that team. After the 3peat when Kobe improved to the next level he was actually averaging the same amount of not more points than Shaq if it not mistaken and Shaq was definitely still in his prime. If Kobe could do that then I can only imagine what prime Jordan would average with defenses having to worry about Shaq as well. I almost feel like Phil Jackson would sub Shaq out late in some games to avoid the hack a shaq knowing Jordan could close it out with his offense. We’ll never know but I could see it going either way.
@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI During the 3peat Kobe outplayed Shaq sometimes during the western playoffs, especially vs teams with great bigs like Spurs/Duncan and Kings/Webber that could handle Shaq. In the finals those teams in the East Conference had nobody that had a chance to guard Shaq, would make no sense for Phil Jackson to force the ball to Kobe or Jordan when Shaq could score at will
dude blongs in the goat debate 5-2 in the finals went back to back without shaq and he was 1st team defense 9x enough said
haters will say that kobe's legacy has been overinflated since his passing. no, everyone been saying the same thing when he was alive. no one wants to hear it, but kobe's biggest fans know exactly how good he is. that espn ranking is just more proof that the media shills will say anything to make the chosen one seem better than he really is.
I didn't watch Kobe in his prime, so I just bought into the Kobe narratives from ESPN/FS1 until recent years after listening to context and facts from you, Dreamerspro, Skap Attack, and others on RUclips.
You don't need to see much imo. I started watching the NBA in general in the 2008 finals. I heard my city Boston finally got back to the finals so i thought why not, let's watch it. It took only one series for me to understand, as someone who knew NOTHING about the intricacies of basketball, "that number 24 is something serious"
Great job buddy, you've basically swap a biased opinion for another biased opinion. Go watch the games, it's easy to find, and make your opinion.
@Herzeder yeah, a lot of them are pretty biased... I may agree with them but it's hard to deny the intention behind the logic... it's obvious too
Glad to hear brother
I was thinking the same thing about Stephen A’s reasoning for not putting Kobe in his top 5. He said yet has both Kareem AND Magic in his top 5. It would be more consistent if he had just picked one of them then made the argument that they were the leader for all of their championships together.
How can anyone penalize Kobe for playing alongside Shaq, but have both Kareem & Magic in their top 5?
Kareem won all of his chips with Magic & Oscar Robinson. Magic won all of his championships with Kareem. It's not even that Kobe isn't in his top 5, it's the fact that the standards set aren't even consistent.
"That's a lengthy conversation..." Yeah no sh*t because your logic doesn't make any sense.
@user-ky8nd2rz4fyou're dense 🤦
If anything SHAQ should get penalized for playing with Kobe. However Shaq has and always will the media darling. BUT if you look Shaq was LeBron before Lebron, a glorified loser. Shaq had ONE trip to the finals -(got swept) while either getting SWEPT or gentlemen, sweep (4-1) with the magic out east. Then comes to LA and does the same thing with TWO ALLSTAR (Jones&Van Exel) that happened in the east with the magic. Then AFTER Kobe gets CARRIED by Wade, Then he starts ring hunting. He played with MVP- Nash,LeBron, Big three Boston etc 🤣🤣🤦. While Kobe on the other played with ONE all-star, almost three peating. In THE LOADED WEST beating the most 50win teams. Playing against I believe 10/15 all NBA players. all while LeBron was getting his head beat in out East. Then Kobe with ONE ALL-STAR beats the SAME TEAMS Lefraud loses too 🧐. The NBA media is nothing but liars, leading all these blind witnesses.
@user-ky8nd2rz4fMagic never won without Kareem😂😂😂..Stop talking hoops
I think the point is Shaq was at his peak when he played with Kobe and Kareem was past his prime, playing with Magic.
@@MilitantMindset-zr5xs Kareem literally won MVPs and FMVPs with Magic 🤦
He won 2 of the hardest championship runs of all time and without Shaq. That has to worth more than Magic’s rings with Kareem.
Magic had Kareem, Worthy, Nixon, Scott, and more.. The Kobe led Lakers after Shaq didn't have a roster nearly as good as any 80's Lakers roster.
Lmao what?! Kareem has made ZERO Finals without Magic or Oscar, Kobe hasn't made the Finals without at least 1 dominant center
@@HiNRGboy Magic lead his team to the Finals without any of those players too, Kobe never went anywhere without another dominant center
@@hakeemolajuwon4352Magic had Worthy in the ‘90-‘91 season. Also, in what world was Andrew Bynum a “dominant center”?
@@parkermudsen1063 really? and Kobe had Gasol and Bynum, two 7 footers on the court at the same time in the Finals. What's your point?
Let's talk about the elephant in the room..in the 2001 postseason run...not just the finals..but throughout the whole postseason...you can argue kobe was better player than shaq in 3 of the 4 series. That gets overlooked but kobe dominated 2nd round against the kings and conference finals against spurs. He even arguably played better in the 1st round too. Look at the overall postseason..not just the finals.
This era has been brainwashed to ignore that. I mean Magic won his 1st FMVP based on 1 game. Kareem was the one carrying the team. He just sat 1 game due to injury.
They was double teaming Shaq dude...jeez you just look at numbers do you?
@@Yongui-pi3fc horrible take...they just double team is the best you can come up with..?
@TeezyfolKKz facts! If we are being real. Kareem should've have 2 of the finals mvps. He dominated the finals in 1980, not magic.
@@nicholashackie1407yeah dude he was making life easier for Kobe to score bro
How was Kobe better than Shaq in those playoff
You are really delusional Shaq was getting hack because nobody could stop him
He was wearing down centers
Ai was giving Kobe the business too
You think if Shaq wasn't on that team they could have beaten the sixers lol get out of here
Shaq really dominated in the NBA finals every year but really what center in the East was stopping shaq? He was just too big. Every finals matchup with the exception of Ben Wallace it was a huge mismatch. Kobe going up against Ai, Jason Kidd, and Reggie Miller is more impressive. Other than the NBA finals it was a toss up who led the Lakers in scoring in the western playoff series, once it got to the finals against the EAST the big men Shaq was matched up against just wasn’t the same, so he dominated them as expected. Shaq was a huge mismatch for any center that they played in the East. The only smart thing to do is take advantage of the mismatch. Kobe dominated some series and Shaq dominated some, if anything they were a 1a and 1b.
I agree i respect Shaq but he was putting those numbers vs east who had weak center or were past there prime. While Kobe had to guard three hall of famers Miller AI and Kidd in there prime
There’s also an argument that shaq can’t win one without another dominant player. Shaq couldn’t win it when he was in Orlando. With Stephan logic, it should also apply to shaq, lebron, MJ, kareem, Magic, and anyone else who won a championship.
@@nokturn882 I agree KAJ has 6 titles and he won 5 with Magic and the other one with Oscar Robertson that doesn’t get talked about. Magic all 5 with KAJ and 3 with both KAJ & Worthy, Shaq with Kobe & Wade, Lebron with atleast 2 other top 15 players in the league at the time. You can make the argument against all of them, and we can agree that gasol isn’t on the level of any of those other players maybe except Kevin love who was a 3rd option on his team and gasol was a 2nd option team.
So LeBron didn't need Miami, Wade, Bosh, Love, Irving, and AD to win his championship. To counter the ignorance, you need facts. SAS is more of a caricature than an analysis. I don't put stock into his opinion or Shannon's. The only people making weak ass arguments are fanboys or loyalists. Listening to the video, I hear you doing the same thing. Magic isn't as good as Kobe, or Kobe was better than Kareem. Damn shame. We should ask why LeBron is the greatest of the four players
Kobe was better than Kobe on the Lakers, but I'm not sure overall.
Steven A has never been the brightest.
Kobe won back to back championships and Finals MVP without a superteam
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams titles
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams titles unlike Kobe
🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
Why didnt you post what kobe averaged in the other 2 playoffs run? Lol and lebron wasnt the best player on the lakers AD led the team in points rebounds blocks and steals and was the best defender
If Kobe was carried by Shaq , than why wasn’t Shaq wining before ? He had penny. Shaq needed Kobe, he couldn’t do it without Kobe.
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams titles
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams titles unlike Kobe
🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
@@IamLegend-rb4eo
Can't someone just kick you bots away!
@@Mercurial.
Come make me go away
The whole "Shaq carried Kobe argument" just because Shaq won the FMVPS is invalid and just outright incorrect. The fact is a prime Shaq would've won Finals MVP with anyone as his teammate, that includes Jordan and Lebron.
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goat 🐐 Jordan would have been finals mvp even with Shaq O'Neal try again
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams titles
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
I think its sad hes not here to even defend himself RIP to my goat kobe bean
Kobe Bryant is my #2 behind Michael Jordan. The Kobe Bryant hate is getting really really disrespectful.
Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.5%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 38,879✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,277✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,198✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,082✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 78.40✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
@@DavionSpade-ui3ph You're a fucking casual. You can't argue just by looking at stats and numbers
And on the opposite end of the spectrum you have people like yourself saying he's the 2nd greatest player ever. You've lost your damn mind if you think he's the 2nd greatest player of all time. Shaq, Duncan, and Lebron are all in his "era" and all were better players than Kobe. Guess you missed all the years when he quit on the Lakers and couldn't get them to top 8 in the West to make the playoffs. Guess you missed the part where he missed the most shots in NBA history. C'mon man. 2nd all time? You must be just a diehard fan to say something so outlandish. Kobe Bean Bryant is an all time great. I mean no disrespect by bringing that stuff up. But when people say he's the 2nd greatest player ever it sounds as idiotic as people disrespecting him. Both sides are wrong.
@@DavionSpade-ui3phHis stats look good but I will still choose Kobe and here why first MJ even said he would choose Kobe or Lebron because Kobe would go play his heart out and win championships while Lebron has been to more NBA finals than MJ or Kobe and lost more than win they have said this plenty of times on other channels the reason Lebron has better stats he played and I am sorry to say this but in the East where it was much easier compared to the west where some of the best teams had great defense and yes I am a LeBron James hater and the some of reason I hate him is for his flopping crying about refs not calling fouls on him while he gets away traveling and when it comes down to clutch time he is nowhere to be found and the most people would agree he gives up on his team when he is losing while LeBron is respected Kobe was feared so.
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Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams titles
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams titles unlike Kobe
🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
Magic nor Kareem is rarely if ever penalized for being teammates., so why should Kobe and Shaq be?
Lebron is actually ranked over all players according to many but has had more help than any other NBA Superstar, especially in top 5.
I don't get why Kobe's first three has an asterisk and his last two are overlooked. The media treat Kobe like he has a losing Finals record or no chips at all.
Because playing next to the most dominant force ever in the NBA for those 3 seasons, aka Shaq, was playing the game on Easy Mode. Shaq would've won the same 3 rings with any of the All-Star wings from those 3 seasons. Give Shaq AI, Reggie, or Vince and they still get 3.
@@heirrose1606huge, big, humongous cap
@@heirrose1606kobe Is the goat 🐐
First three years with the Lakers Shaq didn't win anything without Kobe. Stephen is delusional. He any titles until Kobe was put in the starting lineup. Couldn't any titles with penny. Kobe won two titles without Shaq
Strong facts
Kobe got destroyed by Tayshaun Prince in the 2004 finals.37% Field goals and 17% from 3 in that series.
That's true but Shaq won nothing until Kobe was in the starting lineup and the addition of Phil Jackson. Shaq got destroyed by mjs bulls and hakeems rockets.
@@garycollier6950
Shaq got bodied by Wallace in 04 as he trapped him and Shaq couldn't do as much as he wanted.
Shaq avg 13ppg vs Mavs when he got absolutely CARRIED by D-Wade in 06 Finals.
But Shaq is great huuh 🤡
@@teamsolidgaming629 Kobe got swept in the 2011 playoffs against the Mavericks.In games 3 and 4 Kobe scored 17 points in each game.Those are not GOAT stats.
5 reasons why Kobe was better than Mike
1. Kobe played his career in a more difficult era. Hand-checking, guard matchups, zone defenses. He had to play against prime D Wade, LeBron, T Mac, Joe Johnson, KD, Klay Thompson, Arenas, AI, Paul Pierce, Harden, Ray Allen etc. Compare them to who MJ played at guard and you'll see Kobe had to play against better guards.
2. Kobe won back to back championships BASICALLY ON HIS OWN. Only decent player he had was Pau who's not a top 75 player all time. Jordan 1-9 playoff record without Pippen so don't let his 6-0 finals record make you think he never lost. He bailed his team out many times when his team needed him most. Especially in the Denver and Magic series. Kobe was a offensive powerhouse and was the core of those teams. They were gonna live or die by his shots. It shows to the assassin he was. MJ had Scottie to defer to for all his finals facing easier competition.
3. Kobe has more game winners and more shots in the clutch and all time scoring higher than Jordan. Both Kobe/MJ lived for the last shot but THE MAMBA had the edge in the clutch due to the degree of difficulty of the shots he made and how consistently he made them even against amazing defense where as MJ couldn't shoot 3's as good as Kobe.
4. SCORING EXPLOSIONS - We all know about Kobe's 81 against Toronto but less known is Kobe's 4 straight 50 point games or his 9 straight 40 point games all whole shooting 50% from the field. Which shows how efficient Kobe was in his prime. Also Kobe has avg 40 PPG in a month 4 times. How Kobe exploded has never been matched, he blew up the stat sheets to where the NBA hadn't seen since Wilt and Kobe did it in the modern era as a SG.
5. True Kobe fans know how much he was held back by Phil Jackson. Imagine if Kobe had stayed in when he scored 62 in 3 quarters vs the Mavs. He could have cleared 70 points so many times if Phil let him stay in the game more. Kobe even says that when he tied Mike's record with 9 straight 40 point games, Phil told him to dial it back, stopping him from breaking the record. Phil would hold him back for some strange reason.
Kobe is the GOAT. He had more of a killer instinct, higher scoring numbers, higher points in a game, more game winners, 2 championships basically on his own, and the MAMBA mentality.
Kobe does nothing better than Jordan. Not even top 10.
@@gggyy7104 No sence in arguing with someone who says Kobe's not top 10 lol. Either you're a hater or your a dum or you're both 🤷🏽♂️
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
By far the most dumbest, idiotic comment I ever read 😂😂😂😂
Name a game where Jordan team had to bail him out. Name it
By the logic of kobe won 3 with shaq. He also won 2 without him while shaq only won 1 without kobe.
Really appreciate this video my guy. Finally, someone gives Kobe the credit he deserves. Down right sickening how mainstream media disrespects the great one Mr Bean.
I've watch your La'Bum and MJ comp vids and loved those also. Good work again on this one 👌
You just cant cry about people disrespecting a great player while disrespecting another great player. You're acting exactly like the people you're crying about.
Kobe lead his team in assists for all 5 of his playoffs & finals runs! *ballhog* & Kobe generated and was responsible for more points than Shaq during those runs!
Kobe lead every player on those teams in usage rate by a wide margin. A guard with a 30+ USG% HAS to lead is team in assists.
By the way, in the last 40 years, the only other guard with an USG% similar as Kobe USG% who made fewer passes than him is Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell is an overall efficient scorer tho, Kobe is not. Kobe is both one of the less-efficient guard of his category shooting wise and one of the worst passer too. That's the point.
@@Herzederkobe was a great shooter he just shot tougher jumpshots and didn't play around the rim as much as other players
@@Herzederyou can look at the stats majority of kobes points came from the mid range, that's why his shooting percentage is lower than other players because most players get their points around the basket
i'm actually going to take it a step further for Kareem... he NEVER won a chip w/o having a Point God on his team so truly how great was he... after realizing this its changed my evaluation of him completely, no longer is he in my top 3
I thought every team needed a point guard. Lmao. I know what you're trying to say. He needed an Elite point guard.
Idk. His career accomplishments are a bit too much. He's still Top 3 for me, but your point is valid.
@@vasuviusjones5883 lol thank you...
COLLEGE ball NEVER LOST
😂Kareem went 88-2 at UCLA, can you name his point guard?
Kobe has been disrespected way before his passing. It's even more sad his still being disrespected.
I agree Shaq did carry Kobe to the locker room when they won the championship and carrying the trophy and I am really starting to believe Stephen A Smith needs to be drug tested with Nick Wright and Gilbert Arenas!!!
i honestly dont care where you put kobe on your list, you better just have the same energy for everyone when it comes to your criteria. What you'll come to realize is, there are lots of aspects of kobe that you are conveniently leaving out.
Did Stephen A. put LeBron at number 1 or are my eyes wrong? If so the he has lost whatever little bit of basketball credibility that he has left.
He have Lebron number two. Jordan one.
No. It was LeShannon who did that as they took turns of their top 5.
You know LeShannon admitted on air on UNDISPUTED that he sleeps in his custom made bedsheets and pyjamas.
A 50 year old grown man 🤦🏾♂️
@@Mercurial. lol 😂
If the Lakers had won the championship in 2011, Kobe would have won their third straight championship without Shaq.
So what nobody cares about ifs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps was best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant was sidekick deal with it
And if the moon was the sun the day would be the night
Bro I am so glad you spoke on this I was not for sure anyone would, Kobe is definitely top 5 you don’t have the points rings things he has and not be
Kobe Bryant isn't not a top 5 player all time try again
@@StephonAllen-dn2uwKobe got longevity and a good prime. 2fmvp. He is the 4th best all time.
Kobe is #2 all time behind Michael Jordan
@@Kings0424 woah that might be a bit to high. He is below lebron and Kareem.
@angelbearfilms6436 Nah Kobe is way better over LeBron and Kareem
Magic Johnson said Kobe is the greatest laker. All the people love him. He also faced the most difficult runs of any laker
I've never seen 5 player's better than kobe. EVER!!!!!!
Agreed. Mike, Wilt, Kareem, Kobe, Bird. In this exact order.
Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.5%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 38,879✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,277✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,198✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,082✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 78.40✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
What's so ridiculous if Michael Jordan or LeBron play with a prime Shaq probably wouldn't win mvp and be the second option it's so obvious how the try to belittle Kobe playing along with Shaq.
Magic Johnson was the 4th leading scorer in the 1982 NBA Finals but he led the team in rebounding. A point guard. He out-rebounded Kareem by 3 per game. He also led the team in steals that series. He always provided what was necessary to win. You can't judge Magic by the points he averaged. That would eliminate the context you want everyone to have for Kobe. Magic was the floor general, on-court coach and utility guy providing whatever was needed. How can he be judged by points when he was setting everyone else up for their points? Or leading the team in rebounding when necessary? Magic was not stuffing the stat sheet to be the Finals MVP or GOAT. He was more organic in his focus: WINNING. If he could win scoring 10 ppg then he was happy with that. If he needed to average 25, he did that too. If he needed to lead the team in rebounding, he did. If he needed to lead the team in steals, he did that. Whatever was necessary. Not just a scorer.
Kobe was the floor general when he won with Pau. When he won with shaq, he literally was playing the facilitator, defense, and offense. Kobe was the whole entire package compared to Magic. If you going to highlight Magic’s contribution, you need to do the same for Kobe. His contribution to the championships were a lot more than what magic did in his championships.
lebron's 3 rings were carried by d.wade n kyrie, atleast kobe stayed with lakers thru thick and thin and not jumping ship when it's sinking
No they weren’t 😂😂
I don't even care about all that bro.. I'd really rather watch Kobe's game over LeBron, Mike, Magic and all those Bigs that are in SAS top 5.. Kobe was a waulking bucket and was the most creative player I've ever seen. Tell me when a player averages 40 ppg for two months straight TWICE in their career like Kobe did.
Shaq didn’t carry Kobe but he definitely was the leader/alpha n it’s not really debatable and Kobe fans are mainly the only ones that don’t admit it.
Kobe was a great number 2 for the 3 years they won, the 3rd year is arguably the better argument for him being a equal but it’s still clear Shaq was the alpha.
People talk about the disrespect Kobe gets but never the disrespect shaq gets and it’s absolutely insane tbh .
True because they always try to discredit Shaq role on the team.
I bet you guys never saw the western playoffs during those three peats? Kobe dominated the playoffs, without him Shaq doesn’t win any rings.
@@Mike1122. Kobe was a great #2 . But he also had games where he quit on the team concept, ie pistons finals.
He also had games where he shot horribly, which everybody does but his dominance came thru Shaquille O’Neal.
Kobe wasn’t doubled nearly as much due to shaq being double or triple teamed.
Shaq went to the conference finals on every team he went to n final on every team he led . Kobe at the time was a great marksmen while shaq was a tank.
Shaqs numbers and accolades prove who was the number one guy and it not really close and has only changed to be that way in the past 15 years.
Before Kobe won those championships people hated Kobe because he ran shaq out, the fans knew what they lost at the time. Of course people still like him but Kobe was the recipient to many death threats due to the fact that the team went in shambles.
Kobe has always needed a great big in order to win and only won 2 as a leader . The other 3 shaq was a leader. Shaq always needed a great wing player but he still was the clear cut dominate player. ( a little less in Miami of course but that was mainly because he allowed Dwayne wade to be the leader and alpha of the team)
@@kingjojo801shaq failed Orlando than ran to kobe. Kobe won back to back titles without shaq. Kobe is the goat 🐐 💯
@@kingjojo801Kobe is #1 best player in NBA history 🐐🐐🐐💯💯💯
to all the guys saying Kobe got carried, let' just put it that way: Which 20-22 year old could play with Shaq and win fmvp over him? I'll wait
Why do people keep on disrespecting the legend of Kobe Bryant while the man is trying to rest in peace?? Of course Kobe won three with Shaq, how about the other two without him?? SMH.
How the FuCc is it easy to say shaq carried Kobe when no one ridicules Magic and Kareem playing together
Mamba Forever #24
I like Kobe as much as anyone else, but the Kareem hate is unwarranted. He won finals mvp at the age of 38. He was always a great defendive piece even in his old age. He was 42 in his last championship so those 14 pts per game arent even bad.
🖕🏽 Kareem Kobe the goat
And if Kareem came out of high school LeBron wouldn't even be close to the scoring record and Kareem likely has at least one more ring.
@@heirrose1606 Definitely. I think a lot of people don't know how amazing he was in highschool+college. Probably the greatest college player ever.
@@NotGord I think he was too. He was already Pro level in college and way more athletic the first half of his career. His defense is why I still have him #2. Since I was a kid I have wondered how Bill Russell would've done vs Kareem those 3 seasons and if that would've changed the end of that Celtics run.
Ive never heard anyone say Tim Duncan was carried ever. Yet dude averaged points in the teens in 3 championship runs. Kobe scored a higher % of his team's points. Clear bias imo
The level of disrespect for Kobe is crazy….
These people who bash Kobe should count their blessings in that they do not have to face the Chinese basketball fans. The first Mainland Chinese who were big time Basketball fans who also actually spent huge amounts of money on the NBA were all Kobe fans!
The disrespect of KB illuminates his Greatness!!!!!!!
Hopefully Stephen A and other clowns see your content and similar videos. Nice breakdown brother. Kobe best ever behind Jordan! I'm keeping it that way! Igaf what these analysts have to say. They probably hardly even hooped themselves and get paid to push narratives.
My problem is not the fact that these people have Kobe out of the top 5 it’s their reasoning’s and excuses to why they don’t. At least have a valid reason backed by facts and data to why YOU believe he isn’t top 5. I respect anybody’s opinion cause at the end of the day all these rankings are opinion based. But to be one of the top so called Nba analysts on TV. To provide a reasoning like the one Stephen A smith provided is unacceptable and contradictory
So ridiculous and makes no sense. Magic himself, Jeanie Buss and Shaq, as well as many others, have Kobe as the goat Laker. Magic had Kareem for all five, Kobe won back to back titles without Shaq as well! Lebron has been ring chasing on different teams teaming up with some of the best players in the world...more than once! And respect to the godfathers like Russel - no one will come close to 11 rings - but it was a much different time and league with like 10 teams, and we know Kobe is the better basketball player.
Kobe wins 2 titles, 2 finals MVPs and a regular season MVP without Shaq but sure, Shaq sure carried Kobe.
2000 is the only year you could kinda argue Shaq carried Kobe but the other years? Forget about it.
Can’t even do that with context. Shaq had an allstar PG & SG for multiple years in the WC… somehow only won a chip when Kobe became the starter… has to stand for something. Especially after saving the MVP in that blazers series.
@@TeezyfolKKzgiven how Shaq was playing that year I would understand someone arguing that given Shaq and his ungodly finals stat line but personally I feel Kobe did plenty that year too. Lakers had troubles in the series before as you mentioned and Kobe had a lot to do with the Lakers surviving the Blazers. The finals was mostly Shaq powered but getting there was a different story.
Even in the 2000 Finals, Jalen Rose publicly admitted to injuring Kobe, which cost him 7 quarters of basketball that he didn't play.
@@melvinhhcp3615 I think no one calls that out because then they have to throw Rose under the bus. ESPN leads the “fuck Kobe” campaign until it’s his death anniversary
@@TeezyfolKKzare you forgetting the lakers got PHIL JACKSON, the same Phil Jackson Kobe never without.
TBH the way Shaq played in finals who would be number one option let's be honest Shaq would won FMVP over any superstar facts 🤷🏾♂️
I agree Shaq really dominated in the NBA finals every year but really what center in the East was stopping shaq? He was just too big. Every finals matchup with the exception of Ben Wallace it was a huge mismatch. Kobe going up against Ai, Jason Kidd, and Reggie Miller is more impressive. Other than the NBA finals it was a toss up who led the Lakers in scoring in the western playoff series, once it got to the finals against the EAST the big men Shaq was matched up against just wasn’t the same, so he dominated them as expected.
@@jacobyjonez9900 What's your point ? Shaq wasnt defendable therefore it's not fair to consider him better ?
That's crazy lol
@@Herzeder no I’m saying Shaq posed more mismatches obviously. And the Lakers exploited the mismatch. If you know anything about basketball or sports in general that’s what happens doesn’t necessarily mean your better. Talent wise Hakeem was better than shaq but shaq size and strength wise is just unguardable there was no one physically that could match up, I’m saying just because shaq wasn’t defendable doesn’t make him better.
@@jacobyjonez9900 I ain't disrespecting Kobe or nothing like that but I'm just saying any superstar wouldn't probably be number one option if they had prime Shaq dominating the paint and putting up monster numbers.
@@LarryBrown-us8rg naw I 100% agree with everything you said, I was just saying that shaqs numbers usually went up in the finals vs the other 3 rounds due to the huge gap in talent and size that he was matched up against vs the Eastern conference bigs it was a complete mismatch everytime.
When you understand that they have to bring down others to make someone else seem greater even tho the players and coaches say otherwise you know there’s a problem not to mention the hypocrisy on the list 💀
With how these stars join team to team it’s just crazy how they shame Kobe for being drafted to a good situation. Kobe made the best of that situation and gets slandered for it.
So Lebron getting 2 titles with D Wade, a top 3 guy and Kyrie and AD disqualifies LeBron then.
We all know Kyrie carried Lebron in the 2nd half’s of that win vs GSW in 2016, along with help from NBA. And that crap bubble chip, AD carried Lebron on both ends of the court.
D Wade had to goad and mentor Lebron into taking a the reigns for Miami after losing the first year. He continued to mentor him until he left. That should also disqualify Lebron as Kobe didn’t need any mentoring or encouragement to be the man.
This is NBA/Klutch agenda overriding what the majority know from watching both players. Kobe is better mentally and skills wise. There is no contest. He using stat padding to make himself top 5. Never worked like that before.
Just trying to throw dirt to the late Kobe Bryant thinking it'll make him look bad
Magic actually won fmvps and mvps with Kareem on his team. Kobe didn't win those with shaq on his team
That's the videos point...Kareem and magic don't get penalized for what you just stated...but yet...kobe does
As much as I respect Bill Russel nobody should have him top 10. He played in era with LESS teams LESS overall skill, and No Defense. Also Kobe Made it back to back to back to the finals TWICE while Shaq only did it once because of Kobe.
Then you don't know basketball saying Bill Russell not top 10 and then basketball legends would tell you this
Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.5%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 38,879✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,277✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,198✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,082✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 78.40✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
I agree with Stephen A Smith
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history and 3x sidekick isnt top 5 player all time thats why his individual stats say
Finals Mvps all time
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Magic 3
Shaq 3
Duncan 3
League Mvps (individual player)
Kareem 6
Jordan 5
Russell 5
Wilt 4
LeBron 4
Shaq O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
Fan girls bUt KoBe hAs 5 rInGs
Yeah rings a team accomplishment not a individual players
Pippen 6 rings has more then Kobe 5 rings now what
Duncan 3 finals mvps, 2 league mvps better player then Kobe 2 finals mvps, 1 league mvp
Kobe Bryant 41% fg only 31% 3pt in NBA finals career not even a great performer
Jordan, Kareem, Russell, LeBron, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem all 9 players better then Kobe
For context: LBJ shoots 37% outside of 3 feet. And is 20 out of 112 in clutch time. Saying that LBJ is a better shooter than Kobe is like saying that Shaq was a better shooter than LBJ because he had a higher shot percentage. Now if you want to say that LBJ is better overall, yeah sure, but let’s get the shooting record straight.
You're a causal. You can't debate anything just based off of championships, numbers and stats bro
@@awesomereviews1561
LeBron higher 3point% then Kobe career so yo outside of 3 feet logic holds no water
LeBron 38,879 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
@@Kings0424
You want to have Kobe Bryants baby that's why you crying because he laid facts that yo hero isn't top 5 player all time you the casual who doesn't know basketball lol
It's absolutely insane to mention that Pippen has more rings than Kobe as if Pippen impact on winning was the same or better than Kobe's. You might as well say Horry > Pippen> Kobe which is just as insane
Lebron ain’t even top three lmao Jordan one koby 2 and to me magic and bird three lol
Magic carried Kareem, shaq carried kone
You're clearly blind in both eyes.
Kobe was great and Shaq was mist dominant to ever play. Love kobe and Gasol and Bynum were not bad. He's top 10 ever and also magic and bird played with lots talent as well
If shaq carried kobe why didnt he win before kobe? Its pretty simple I'd also like to point out lebron wasnt the best player on his team for his lakers title
All facts
If Jordan is the goat why didnt he win before Pippen ?
You do understand that basketball is a team game, right ?
@@Herzeder because pippen didn't become an all star until 1991 after being drafted in 1987
Pay Kobe Bryant some respect!!! Kobe was all defensive player more than 10 times!!! 5 titles. Multiple MVP PLAYER. Scored 81 points in ONE GAME!!! .
has multiple 60 point games. He’s absolutely amazing!!! We watched it!!!!!!!!
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams titles
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams titles unlike Kobe
🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So its pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 38,879 on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Mavericks 4-0 swept yo hero Kobe Bryant to stop him from making NBA finals and winning championship 2011 so try again
LeBron James have 5,000 career turnovers. You gonna add that too? Dude had more turnovers in less games than Karl Malone of the Utah Jazz
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Athletic top 10 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
The Athletic has Kobe #10 all time
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.5%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 38,879✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,277✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,198✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,082✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 78.40✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
@@DavionSpade-ui3ph ok so that's no. Bad milestones by LeBron James bad, bad milestones for Kobe good. Also quit that copy n paste Atlantic top ten bs. Putting it up on any video critical of LeBron James doesn't help your case you know. Kobe may not be the best NBA player but I still respect him way more than the wannabe fake king.
What skills LeBrick got better than Kobe…..?? Outside of 5ft from the rim he’s useless….
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Funny that Kobrick Bryant has most missed shots in NBA history his name should be only one with brick in it since that's what he does best
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not even top 10 player all time
I have Kobe # 2 all time behind MJ
He won 3 titles with Shaq, and Lebron won 3 titles where he was not the best player on those teams + did not hit the winning shot in any of them.
I was gonna say, Kobe was 21-23yrs old and in ‘00-‘01 he was avg one less point than Shaq in the postseason and only 2 less the next year. Shaq getting more blocks and rebounds, Kobe getting more assists and steals as expected. But Shaq was in the heart of his prime. We gotta stop acting like a 3peat as “superstar 1b” as a college aged kid just doesn’t count or mean anything
So I guess Kobe just lucked into being a first team All-NBA all 3 seasons, making the All-Defensive 2nd team at just 21 (the youngest to ever do it), and making 1st team All-Defense in 2001 and 2002 as the best perimeter defender in the league. That's with scoring 22 ppg, 25 ppg, and 28 ppg in those three seasons. In the playoffs during those years he averaged 21 ppg, 28 ppg, and 28 ppg again if I am correct. I don't care which all-time great superstar Guard, or Forward played with Shaq on those Lakers teams. They all would have played second fiddle to Shaq simply because Shaq was a dominant Center, and Shaq got the most high percentage looks under the basket in the low post. The Lakers main goal was to find ways to get Shaq the ball in the low post, or take advantage of double and triple teams against him on the perimeter. Kobe sacrificed some of his production in order to win titles with Shaq. Kobe was easily a top 3 to top 5 player in all of those 3 seasons. Each of those three seasons the argument for best player was between Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and Iverson. I would argue that in 2001, and 2002, Kobe was the best player in the game, and certainly the best 2-way player from 2000-2002 hands down, even over Duncan. The guys Kobe went up against were some of the best Guards, and SF's the league has ever seen whether it was Reggie Miller, Scottie Pippen, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, TMac, etc.
Magic came into the league already in his prime at 20 years old
A Player's prime is between ages 27-34. It's based on physiology when Males are at their physical apex. A player's peak is performance based.
oh and not TI forget KOBE AND SHAQ NEEDED PHIL JACKSON AS A COACH SERIOUSLY kobe and Shaq needed help 😢
Kobe was lead to his first 3 rings by Shaq.
For his last 2 rings he lead his Lakers team to the championship.
LeBron was lead to his first 2 rings by D-Wade. Kyrie lead him to his 3 ring and finally for his fourth LeBron lead his Lakers team to the victory were he won The Bubble aka The Fake Championship. 😂
The NETFLIX documentary “The ReDeem Team” shows Kobe is greater than LeBron. Shoot, LeBrob was partying with DWade and Mello in Vegas one night until 4:30 AM, they were losing to Greece and Argentina. Kobe joins the team. He passes them at 5am in the Hotel lobby after they were out all night partying. Kobe is in his workout gear going to the gym. LeBron said to Mello and DWade “what the hell is he doing” Kobe said he was going to work. LeBron said “Kobe is just different.” AKA, he admitted Kobe was on another level than LeBron.
Kobe ave. 28ppg in their 1st ring and on the third ring he averaged more than shaq 30ppg shaq carried kobe…
Pippen averaged 17ppg to Jordan’s 30plus ppg but pip carried mj.. woke nba fans
Thanks for the comparative insights between Kobe, Magic, Kareem & Russell to expose ESPN hypocrisy. Ditto for Fox Sports analysts. Also note that 2001-02 Lakers featured Dual Alphas.
I would say that just because he is not a top five player of all time should not be taken as a put-down. If he is 6-15, based on Stephen A Smith or ESPN, that is still very impressive.
I really see yall as kids arguing about their favorite flavor of ice-cream, not having the cognivite abilities to understand nuance and subjectivity. Yall are taking this GOAT thing a bit too seriously, it really doesnt mean shit.
Kobe was a great player with some pretty bad flaws, like most great players really. If he's your favorite player (or one of your favorite) it's absolutely ok. Nobody has to share your opinion on him tho.
I know that Kobe is many people's childhood hero and it's hard to have an objective opinion on a childhood hero. It's natural. That said, it's time to grow up and understand that everyone's story is different, your story is no more valid than anyone else's.
What matters is not that we all agree on the top 10 players, what matters is that we should all have the right to give an interesting and educated opinion on the subject in a respectful and friendly atmosphere. Facing up to other people's opinions is what makes us grow and evolve as human beings. We have to learn to accept that others are not bound to feel the same way as we do. (This is something we normally learn around the age of 6, but Kobe/Lakers fans generally don't seem to have had much access to a basic education).
Also, trying to prove anything about Kobe greatness by using statistical evidence is a pretty dangerous task. Absolutely no advanced metrics are favorable to Kobe (at least not to the point of proving that he's one of the 10 or even 15 best players ever), and you know it. If you like Kobe that much you're either an eye-test guy or consciously biased, using stats is pointless.
Give me a heartfelt argument, tell me why you love him so much, I'll be glad to hear/read it but if we really dive into statitistics you'll just lose the debate.
And by the way, yall really should stop watching TV, it's making your brain melt really. You're watching people get paid to make awful hottakes but for some reason you're fucking surprised and angry when they're making awful hottakes. Come on.
In that Magic series in 09, ppl also forget Howard was the DPOY that year AND the Magic had THREE all stars that year. Howard, Lewis, and Nelson were all selected to the all star team. Jameer Nelson was injured during the all star game, so he was replaced. But he was selected as an all star. And he was healthy in the Finals.
Kareem was 40 when he won the title in 1988... So I'd say his stats are still pretty good; he even played and started the 24 games of these playoffs, averaging 30 minutes/game.
SHAQ might not carry Kobe , but you know for sure SHAQ is the man, the star and the franchise of the Lakers during the 3 peat 🔥🔥🔥
everybody forgeting the mamba carrying shaq and lakers
the disrespect is unbelievable
I was with you until you started criticizing Kareem’s last 3 finals stats. First off Kareem was in his late 30s/early 40s during those runs, still played solid defense, and he allowed Magic to shine especially in the 87 and 88 finals.
It’s just funny how Kobe gets the carried by shaq treatment, but guys like lebron who played with TWO all stars for all his championships doesn’t get that. Combine wade and Bosh’s stats and they are more than shaqs averages all around. Combine Irving and loves stats and they are more then shaq. But, since it’s divided it looks like lebron was the best player when really he was the one being carried. Shaq won his first chip with Kobe while bron had to go to wade who was already finals mvp to win lol
No one now can't stop LeBrons mid range, it's crazy how LeBron health is the major asset. But kobe managed even a little past his prime to guard LeBron.
I’ve always said this. Kobe is a better player than Magic. Kobe is the better scorer, defender, clutch player. Magic had far more help than Kobe. Magic was a better passer and rebounder than Kobe.
Kobe Bryant is at the top three all-time greatest players in NBA history and if you see it differently you can miss me with it... But if we're talking Kobe as a Laker he's the greatest Laker of all time. I don't even see how that's up for debate? I mean did you guys bother looking at the roster he took to three consecutive NBA finals without Shaq and if I'm not mistaken he got two championships out of that... Seriously the Kobe Bryant disrespect needs to come to an end...
It’s not disrespectful to have Kobe outside the top 5 🤦♂️😂 All Stephen A had to say was “I think these guys are better than Kobe” and that should have been enough. But because of the internet being full of whiners he had to give reasons why and his reasons were weak probably because he didn’t believe them himself, he just said them because he knew saying Kobe ain’t better than those guys (which is true) would have made the internet fans pee in their pyjamas more than they already are.
They leave Kobe out of these goat debates to protect Lebron. Bc anyone with eyes who watched them go head to head from 2003-2013 knows Kobe owned Lebron.
Kobe is not the greatest Laker but he’s certainly in the Top 5. Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Jerry, and so on.
It has everything to do with Kobe's rape allegations. I have kobe number 2 all-time 😁
Kobe's semen was inside that woman.How did it get there.
@garycollier6950 That's a good question 🤔 You might need to go back and look at all the court documents 😬 I heard she liked men and had someone else's semen on her 😬 you fcktard🫡
People forget Kobe won 2 rings by himself with less star help… and the Celtics was a super team, but no one wants to talk about that … those rings are valuable
Kobe carried Shaq period Kobe 5 RINGS SHAQ 3 IN LA 4 TOTAL!
That’s like saying Kevin Durant carried Steph Curry in 2017 and 18
Kobe Bryant was never carried by anyone, Shaq was the man but so was Kobe. Both were the creme of the crop when it comes to elite superstars at that time, dominance and skill.