@@darnellwilliams8783 Yeah I know, but they will never say it. Just as someone voted for PJ Brown as MVP in 2005 when Kobe didn't receive any votes. I'm not even saying that Kobe deserved a vote, but PJ BROWN??!! Then Nash gets two consecutive MVPs?! LMAO
@@sokit2em thats a lie kobe wasn't the best player in the world in 2005 actually Allen Iverson from 1999 to 2005 and he was cheated out of the 2006 MVP
If there is one thing that Labron and Curry has shown us is how hard it actually is to win three times in a row. One thing that is underappreciated is how close Kobe came to three-peating twice just like Jordan did. Everyone forgets Kobe's unfortunate loss in the finals the year before the back to back wins.
@@chrisuncleahmad666😂😂😂 yo are you serious? Kobe had to defeat the most 50 wins team on his road to 5 chips! Check the stats boi. He had the hardest competition when the West was the most stacked!
Lebron James is the only athlete I've ever seen called the goat who's gotten his ass kicked over and over and over again. Other goats are known for winning in dominant fashion like Mayweather, Brady and Jordan. But all this guy gets are excuses from the media and his sack lickers whenever he loses.
@@chrisuncleahmad666 That's silly for people to say that. Whether you like him or not you can't deny he's top 5 or 6 all time. I'm not the biggest fan either. He deserved flowers but I can't say he's the goat. Hell na.
@@chrisuncleahmad666 A Bronsexual saying "I am not a LeBron fan, but..." 🤣 Let's be real. the reason LeFlop is getting bashed is because he gets all the undue credit for his team success and his teammates are thrown under the bus for failures. Not only that, there are list of other things 1. Flopping 2. Crying to the refs for good calls and still doesn't get any technicals when other players would've easily had several with his demeanor 3. Media constantly tries to hype him up while talking trash on other players' legacies. You'd be stupid to not understand that LeChina is heavily involved in media with the amount of D riding they are doing for him. This also shows that he's the instigator in attacking other players' legacies.
@@kerry-j4mthat has absolutely nothing to do with basketball. And he was found innocent. Kobe haters are something else. What's next hating him for his fashion sense? His diet? The kind of movies he likes? Huge idiots all around.
@@kerry-j4mdoes that make him a better ball player or deflects that he had to team up with others to be a winner. It’s amazing how you guys constantly move the goalposts for this guy. I was a fan of Bron until he jumped ship because it went against everything I taught my son; work to be the best.
@@kerry-j4mThat has nothing to do with basketball. It’s definitely a reputation destroying scandal, but it has nothing to do with what Kobe did on the court.
This is just more proof that kobe should be ranked higher then both dwade and lebron. The same kobe that saved the redeem team. The same kobe that defeated boston lebron couldnt get pass. The same kobe who was the last person to 3peat after the GOAT 🐐.
@chrisuncleahmad thats crazy kobe was the closes thing to jordan its idiotic to rank him outside the top ten. Even Magic said kobe was the greatest laker to ever live.
Lebron himself said it repeatedly that Kobe Bryant was the best player in the world during that time. That should've wrapped the entire narrative up, but then Nick Wright happened... 😑🤗
LeBron James called himself goat 🐐 so that means he saying he's better player then a Kobe Bryant 😂 So if you agree what LeBron James says you believe he goat 🐐😂
@@Goth-Season Shaq O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on teams titles Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 😎 LeBron 38,652 pts on 50.5% fg more points than Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
@@IamLegend-rb4eodumb logic compare Kobe and pippen numbers pippen was a sidekick average about 15 or 16 Kobe was averaging the same numbers as Shaq besides the rebounds that's the only reason Shaq was getting them MVPS Kobe had to make Free throws for shaq Everytime he foul out Kobe carried his slow talking ass
For people who mistakenly think the 2012-13 Lakers were a super team consider these facts. Age 37-38 Nash was 2 years past his prime, chronic back pain limited him to only 50 games in the 2012-13 Season and 15 games in 2013-14 Season. Age 34 Kobe was in the last year of his prime. Though Dwight Howard was 27, he was also recovering from back surgery in the first half of the season. Las Vegas Oddsmakers projected those Lakers to be a 44-38 team. That was before age 32 Pau missed 33 games due to injury and those Lakers had 3 coaches, the last being D'Antoni. As we know in the second half of the season, Kobe got fed up with losing. He self-increased to 40+ MPG and changed D'Antoni's plays to lead those Lakers to 27-12 before tearing his Achilles in game 80 of that season. In Kobe's last 1st Team All-NBA season, he played 78 games led the Lakers to a 45-37 record.
Atlantic top 10 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Bill Russell 5. Magic Johnson 6. Wilt Chamberlain 7. Larry Bird 8. Shaquille O'Neal 9. Tim Duncan 10. Kobe Bryant The Atlantic has Kobe #10 greatest NBA player all time PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron WS/48: LeBron VORP: LeBron MVP's: LeBron FMVP's: LeBron Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2) LeBron better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.5%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored career LeBron 38,652✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Total 3pointers made LeBron 2,261✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,827 Total Steals career LeBron 2,186✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,944 Total Blocks career LeBron 1,073✔️ Kobe 640 Defensive win shares LeBron 78.00✔️ Kobe 50.66 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Career highs Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
I'm not gone front, growing up I hated Kobe but always admired his talent.I loved AI & The Kings & most of all my Spurs yet that season I had 2 take my hat off 2 Kobe & say OK.He willed that team 2 the playoffs until his body gave out
Excellent observation. Kobe and MJ were also part of 3 peats which is extremely difficult, especially in the modern era. Kobe was able to hold the line through years with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker until some relief came with Gasol. He was definitely the best player at one point.
@@hardwoodthought1213 I don't know who was on the Cavs because I don't follow them but I think they had Jamison, Highes and some other players. An older Shaq I think played there as well. I don't know the roster but guys like Hakeem and Dirk won without other Allstars in their prime so I guess it can be done.
@@LargeDude2023 Dirk had Steve Nash and Jason Kidd 😂 Hakeem I’ll give credit to, but he also tried hard to leave Houston. The only difference between LBJ and guys like Hakeem and Kobe is that LBJ did what he wanted, the others were forced to stay and won because their teams managed to get them great talent, something Cleveland never showed an ability or willingness to do. Hell, Kobe demanded a trade in 2000 after he won a ring. Explain that to me?
2:22 I’m lowkey shocked he even admitted this, considering that one of his rivals was sitting right next to him. Wade in the process with this admission further adds deeper blemishes on Bron’s resume and the fact that he could not dominate and win as the true alpha keeps him out of the elite ten, maybe even fifteen
I've had LeFraud out of my top 20 for a couple years now. 2011 choke job ruled him out of the top 10. His constant colluding with already existing superstars to try to chase easy rings (and still failing) takes him out of the top 15. His walking off the court with half the 4th to go, in the PLAYOFFS!!!, along with taking a month off after getting the all time points record (quitting on his team) takes him out of the top 20. Oh an let's not forgot, not playing defense for roughly 10 years.
@@jonathandepue629 Havlicek 8 rings > Kobe 5 rings Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings Pippen better player then Kobe if having better teams finals record means better player lol Shaq O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on teams titles Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 😎 LeBron 38,652 pts on 50.5% fg more points than Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Based on what? The 3 years from 04-07, Pau and Kobe achieved the exact same. Neither won a playoff series Never has a player in history been so intimately tied to needing such a specific teammate (All-NBA big man) just to win a playoff series as Kobe
@@hardwoodthought1213 lol you trolling hard but I got time. Pau made 1 all star appearance before going to the Lakers. He wasn’t even an all star the year before the trade. Pau wasn’t considered a top pf until he went to LA. No one was checking for Pau in 2007, while Kobe was widely considered the best player in the league around that time. You tried though.
@@willardweston8984You know various coaches and GMs tried to pressure the league into vetoing the trade because they felt it wasn’t a fair deal, right? Kobe was gifted Pau for peanuts when others stated they’d have given up multiple first round picks and players for him. But still, as I pointed out, Kobe never won a playoff series unless he had a CURRENT All-NBA teammate (Shaq, Pau or Bynum. Hell, even Howard made it but Kobe was injured for the playoffs). That’s pathetically bad. Your boy couldn’t get past round 1 without a top 15 player by his side 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 lol you funny my boy. What superstar won without help? Kobe and the Lakers got beat twice by the suns who were a better team. Idk what you don’t understand or you just hate on Kobe.
@@willardweston8984I can name dozens of players who won a playoff series without an All-NBA teammate. Hell, Kobes own contemporary Duncan won 4 titles without that and even won in 03 without an All-Star teammate
by the time Shaq was *drafted* Bird was basically out of the league due to a back injury, Magic *was* out of the league due to AIDS, and the Bad Boys were in freefall because of the injuries sustained in their second title run
@@MyGoatFrFr Duncan 3 finals mvps, 2 league mvps better player then Kobe 2 finals and 1 league mvp Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt not top 5 player all time
@@doktor3196Whats funny is that people like you who can't even play ball for more than 5 minutes are talking like they know how the greatest basketball players think.
Ten 50 win teams just shows you how the rule changes like removing hand checking and allowing things like obvious traveling and flopping, changed the game.
I think LBJ's real problem can't be solved. He lost six Final's series. That can't be unseen. Just like the Buffalo Bills went to four straight Super Bowls and lost all four. It was an amazing accomplishment but not GOAT level stuff. Winning six for six is GOAT stuff. Winning 5 of 7 is GOAT level. 4 of 10 titles is below average. Plus, LBJ is a crybully-diva.
I AWLAYS mention the Buffalo Bills from the 90s because although making 8 consecutive Finals is undeniably impressive, it falls super short because LeBron lost more than half those appearances. The Bills aren't remembered as one of the greatest teams ever because they never climbed that mountain. Ultimately, LeBron did, but as you mentioned, you can't unsee 6 finals losses - especially when they're almost all epic collapses or beat downs.
@@chrisuncleahmad666no one even brought up legacy like that until le dicklicks and media tried jumping him to the top as goat, while disrespecting greats before him in the process. Kobe was in the goat conversations of being compared to mj damn near at the age of 22. Jordan was seen by his peers as goat his first three pear. Bron claims by himself his the best ever cause he beat the warriors from 3-1 in a series with hella asterisk. What are we really comparing??one series compared to a whole body of playoff finals success.
thats what i dont get really how many times did MJ get bounced in the first round and then the conference finals by the bad boy pistons LeBron *made* the dance 10 times, something only beaten by members of the Bill Russell Celtics, and in a league with 30 teams.
Beyond that he lost 3 times to the same guy and 2 times to another in Curry and Duncan the fact that he has losing records against near all the all time greats he's gone against is also huge
Kobe made Gasol Champion, was like MJ made Pippen Champion.....please make a video abt this. MJ & Kobe are the players that all NBA players been chasing on, it takes mentality, hard work, skill, over longevity...
Its' a pretty low bar to give LeBron props for valuing championships, when he got his rings by cheating the game. All the ACTUAL "GOAT debate" candidates (MJ, KAJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Timmy, Hakeem, Russell) came in and MADE their teams champions. None of them said "I need more help" and forced his way onto totally talent-stacked teams the way LeBron and Kevin Durant did. So, yeah, I guess it's good that LeBron wanted rings, but his rings simply have less value than those of the ACTUAL "GOAT debate" candidates. This is one of the biggest reasons LeBron will ALWAYS be a tier below those guys in the minds of knowledgeable basketball fans. (Other reasons are: LeBron can't shoot, he has no "mid-range" bag, he shrivels in the clutch, he travels like a long-haul airline pilot, and his best "go-to" move is the "flop and whine".)
They always set the bar really low for LBJ so he can get praised easily. Remember when he got swept in 2018 and his boy Windhorst went on tv saying we should treat his run as a championship bc what he did no other player can do the same lmao. Remember the next year Shannon/Nick were saying how LBJ deserves credit for what he did for LA even though dude missed the playoffs lol, they’re truly the worst.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx You know in 2018 LBJ won 2 series where his 2nd leading scorer was outscored by his opponents 5th leading scorers, right? It’s an all time playoff run. Finals posters of KD, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy v LBJ, Thompson, Jeff Green, Korver and George Hill 😂 Try again. The bar has never been higher for anyone than it was LBJ. Kobe won a ring with a teammate averaging 32/16 for an entire playoff run whilst he averaged 21/3/4, but now that rings puts him over James 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 beating Oladipo, DeRozan and rookie Tatum...then getting a broom in the finals? Yea that deserves a championship ring lmao No one but LBJ gets extra credit for doing shit he’s suppose to do.
Wasn't until LeBron announced he wanted to join the Olympic team that I realized this -- LeBron's not only chasing the ghost in Chicago, but the ghost in LA as well. He wants everybody to call him the GOAT, yet he's still chasing MJ and Kobe?
@@jaydot4956 I know. 1 more ring? Psh. Those are too easy to win. And Rich Paul is making sure everyone knows that they are overrated. Shannon and Nick got Bron's back. Let's go get Dame and Giannis and everyone to the Lakers. More help for Bron and all the Credits for him too. This is the way.
@@chrisuncleahmad666 Bruh. The whole era was garbage. F@ck those 2000s and 2010s plumbers. That includes Bron. If Miami Bron played in this 2020s, he'd $hitty AF. By 2030s NBA, Jordan, Kobe, Bron, Wade, dog $hit players. The game is evolving. We got to move on. Stop talking about the older players. It's all about young blood. Gilbert and JJ got this right.
Kobe can't win in these situations. When he took a backseat to Shaq, they say Shaq carried him. When Shaq leaves, they say he selfish and don't help his team. When he got gasol and mixed both versions of himself, they say he wasn't the best even though he was winning. They just hate kobe. But we know kobe is the baby goat next to mike
Here's the thing, Kobe was the closest to MJ on getting 2 3-peats on 2 sperate times in their careers. KG had his prime in the West and Ray Allen went to the Sonics in '03, unfortunately for them Kobe and at times Dirk and Duncan were there. They just couldn't get past them, so they jumped to the Celtics and finally was able to get to the finals twice and beat Kobe once. So technically speaking we could also say that possibly even the Celtics super team was built to beat Kobe. If several superstars joins forces on two separate occasions just to beat Kobe then that's just a testament to how ridiculous Kobe was.
Celtics was built cause Bron got out the east before anyone expected him to in 07... Then u had prime Kobe n Duncan out west.... Just one guy u had to beat in The east
@kingsleyjackson8287 LeBron's team not only had the best record in the league but he also beat Kobe in ppg, assist, rebounds, steals and win shares. He did that in both seasons.
It is not the same thing at all. You don't win championship with 2 or 3 players. You need like 11-12 NBA players. You need starters and bench players. That Miami team was built from scratch with Wade being there only and Lebron and Bosh, rest of the players were new and inexperienced. I hate it when people say you have 2 or more superstar in your team, you should win. It does not work like that. Basketball is a team sport and you need a balance team. That Heat team was very unbalanced. I remember as soon as the starting players were out the bench would get demolished. This is very different from Durant joining a 73-9 team with strong bench and starters.
Makes sense. I say the same thing about the Celtics in 08. They wete looking towards Kobe or the Spurs. Not that meme crap you see about the Celtics coming together to beat LeBron in cleveland. Up until that point the highlight of LeBrons career was getting swept by San Antonio.
You do know Boston formed up before Pau joined LA, right? No one on the planet in 2007 was teaming up to stop Kobe, who couldn’t win a playoff series for 3 straight years prior 😂 it was because of SA, LBJ and just plain to win. Never understood this narrative of teammate to beat someone, when it’s just teaming to win
Kobe was such a great player and a great man, husband and father and I was really looking forward to seeing what he would do in his life after basketball. When you see Kobe’s family you see how truly successful he was.
Not only did they make a super team to stop kobe but they also wouldn't let Chris Paul team up with him they tried everything to stop that man from getting 6 rings
It’s just insane to me how much people rewrite the history of Kobe Bryant. Idiots who claim he was never the best player in the world… man. It’s insane. In reality he was the best player in the league for nearly a decade. 2003-2010 easily.
Kobe > Lebron Kobe won more with less assistance against far better competition, point blank period. Lebron might have flashier stats, but people don't realize Kobe had his career averages severely diminished due to Del Harris and played in a far more physical league where not everyone could drop 25-5-5 every night. Centers letting guards get rebounds, 5 out offenses for easy assists, ball dominant pick and roll for 90% of the game to rack up assists. Lot of this era's players are fool's gold, People say Lebron is more efficient than Kobe, but the truth is Kobe is more effective across an actual basketball shot chart and his playstyle leads to more winning. Lebron shoots the majority of his shots inside the paint. It's always hilarious hearing the efficiency talk when Bron can't make 75% of his free throws. Real ballers know it's much easier to guard someone like Lebron who looks for kickouts and doesn't have elite footwork. It's a far tougher assignment to deal with Kobe, who has no qualms about shooting from anywhere on the court and is comfortable in any situation. I wish Kobe got to play with as many all-stars, hall of famers, and top 75's as Lebron did, he'd have 6-7 rings easy. The truth is going to come out from the players as the years progress, the media narratives will start getting exposed. In a game where one team needs to outscore the other to win, Kobe has the highest PPG ever recorded in basketball history when adjusted for pace (2005-2006). He's the only player besides Jordan to outscore all finals opposition by at least 10PPG in multiple finals series, and that's not even addressing that Kobe is one of the best perimeter defenders ever and arguably the most skilled player of all time. Give me Kobe every single day of the year.
You know your stuff and you are spot on! Kobe is the best to do it! Kobe had to wait 9 seasons before he got his own team and a green light otherwise his career stats would be absurd! There’s much more I can add but that’s enough for now!
@@ezekwu you are mistaken. Basketball became more popular because of the competition and the exiting games. NBA best ratings were in the 90s. It used to be must watch TV. That weak era Kobe and Shaq and the other 3 all stars on the lakers couldn’t even win the west. Lakers couldn’t even get out of the second round until 2000
@@ezekwu opinion. Because it’s your opinion it’s not fact. If I say otherwise it’s not fact either. Those 2 Utah teams 97-98 gave Kobe and Shaq fits. It wasn’t until that team was dismantled that the lakers ruled the west. Amongst other teams that the lakers couldn’t beat. So 2000-2003 when the lakers ruled, those teams were gone
Y'all do realize that Kobe was chasing Michael Jordan right but let's be real the NBA didn't want that to happen because of what MJs legacy means to the League.
@@chrisuncleahmad666 FACTS.??? Ledicklicks don’t even do factual research and y’all talking about facts..!!!SMH .! Numbers don’t lie.! In what universe does being runner up make you a goat.?? Super teams in 20 years and only 3.5 championships to show for and we are supposed to praise that.?? Why would it consider hating.??
@@chrisuncleahmad666 you are absolutely right.!! But those players are not going on national tv saying that they are goats, or have his minions parading and making excuses on why he failed so much but still is the goat, making parties with goats, and you know that when someone says who thesay they are people are going to challenge that period.!!!!! If you walk in the hood and say you are the hardest cat around what you think others are going to do?? Challenge for sure.!!
@@chrisuncleahmad666 well the argument is for the mainstream media hammering him and and people ask why, the answer is just because he is hyped up like crazy
@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk Prolly because he was gifted an All-NBA player in Pau, and had the league in his pocket as shown by the disgusting free throw disparity in game 7 v Boston where Kobe wet the bed and went 6-24 😂😂😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 he wasn't gifted a all NBA player lol Pau wasn't even an all star when he joined the Lakers I could easily argue 3rd options in LeBron's teams like Love and Bosh where better than him based on stats. I dare you to go look at the fg of Paul Piece, KG, Ray Allen, Bynum, Artest, Pau and Rondo in that same game they where all bad, the game was very physical and the refs weren't calling fouls Kobe ofcause had the worst because as the best player in the series he would attract more defence. Kobe in that run had a decent second option and he got the job done going 2-1 (The one he lost Pau wasn't even an all star or all NBA, yet Kobe still lead them to the finals)while facing some of the toughest comp of all time,don't try to discredit it. LeBron on the other hand had Wade and Bosh and went 4-2 that's pathetic for someone considered the 🐐
@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk They weren’t calling fouls? In the 4th Q of game 7 LA shot 21, Boston shot 5. As I said, just like Game 6 v Sac and Game 7 v Portland, the refs whistle was bought by LA. 3 of the 5 most rigged or badly officiated games ever happened with Kobe on the floor. That’s not coincidence. Isn’t Kobe the GOAT? Who cares how Rondo shot, he’s 50x the player isn’t he? BTW Pau shot 40%, that’s a huge difference between him and Kobe shooting 25%. 08 is literally the only season in Bricks career where he won a playoff series without a teammate making All-NBA 😂 Kobe needed more than anyone to win. Did Kobe ever win a playoff series without an All-Star teammate? Cause Duncan won a title without that
Lebron said it himself, on live national TV, after beating the Celtics: "the reason we got together was to beat the Celtics". It had nothing to do with any western conference teams
@@MrOneanddone91 Lebron said it on live TV, while celebrating their win against the Celtics. He said that was THE reason, I'm not even mad that I lack the skills to make something like that up. All those who watched that game on TNT saw it as well
@@MrOneanddone91 I agree, he did say that in a RECENT interview. But between me and you, which sounds better right now in 2023 knowing what we know now, would Wade want to admit that he couldn't beat the Celtics (that include Paul Pierce, I don't think I need to explain why I mentioned his name) or Kobe Bryant? Also, only Chris Bosh had a losing record against the Lakers before they joined the Heat, so the Heat and Cavaliers weren't afraid of the Lakers.
They didn’t. Bosh wasn’t a top 20 player, now he was top 3 in the East 😂 dozens of players coaches and executives stated in real time it was to defeat Boston. Miami never even faced Kobe 😂
@@TH-cq7bj Nah, he wasn’t. That man never won a playoff series outside the LBJ years and made 1 All-NBA team his whole career, in 07. That’s less than Andrew Bogut. By 2011, I can argue Bosh wasn’t even a top 10 PF (I’m taking Duncan, Dirk, KG, Love, LMA, Griffin, Z-Bo, and Pau over him).
Kobe ranks higher than Bron. Kobe still has one more ring. Got all his rings with the same team and stayed loyal and he's 3 peated. This just enhances Kobe's legacy. They literally formed a superteam to try to stop him 😂😂 Kobe>Bron
@@brandangreen1390how about the decision trade about Lebron. How about I’m coming back home. How about I’m joining la. The difference is Kobe had no help while Lebron had wade and bosh who were still good players but passed there prime. When he left the Cavs again they were rebuilding their roster and he left.
Some players, sports media bonehead's and fans say its not about championships!? Ok so lets not have a finals anymore lets just play 82 games and see who has the best stats at the end of the season! How DUMB is that!!! Being the champion is what its ALL about! Its about getting that ring! Lets not have a Superbowl anymore lets just see who can throw the most TDs and least amount of INTs through a 20 games seasons. DUMB! Its about who is the best TEAM! Its always the team no mattter how good one player is! No one cares if lebron has 45,000 points and 4 championships which he was lucky to get 2! Kobe is still 1 up on him and MJ is 2! No one would really care if kobe scored 3000 points in a season but fell short! CHAMPIONSHIPS is where its at and what its ALL about! I cant believe ANYONE would even say otherwise!
Reason Kobe wasnt the best every year look at the talent he faced and was in the league on each team ... Prime Dwight Howard vince carter tracy mc grady Dirk Duncan Wade Lebron Jason kidd Kevin Garnett Shaq Yao ming .Carmelo Allen Iverson..damm there was star on almost every team back then
*@Uncut Hoops* Kobe was the best player in the world for way more than 2 years with LeBron already in The League. Kobe was the best player in the world the last 2 seasons that Shaq was a Laker.
👍🏼 another great video. It's funny, how new media and these Lebron fanatics always wanna play the Pippen card for Jordan and the Shaq card for Kobe. However, Pippen NEVER won a chip without Jordan and Shaq never had a chip until 2000 with Kobe. One thing is for sure, D. Wade had a chip before Lebron. Something, clown ass new media will NEVER talk about. Just like how they never talk about the redeem team, but the facts will always appear one way or another.
Always remember that a majority of jealous team owners Uniquely & Unfairily prevented Kobe from having a super team in 2011-12 Season (Kobe-CP3-Bynum). They never stopped LeBron, Duncan, Pierce, Garnett, Wade, Nash, Curry or Durant. And don't say the 2012-13 Kobe-Howard-Nash Lakers were a super team because Nash was age 38, chronic back injured. A blind man could have predicted that he'd only play 50 games that season. Pau was looking for the exit and would not sign a contract extension, despite the Lakers offering a non-trade clause.
Take out Nash, Kobe still had Howard and Pau. If Bosh and Wade is a superteam so is that They also gifted him Pau in 08, and rigged 3 rings for Kobe. the Paul veto is just because of that
Clowns will talki jus to talk. Iv read to many comments frm the one above n funny how he states the nba rigged 3 for Kobe but not the 4 questionable championships the princess frm alron has. During the time the princess was going to the finals and vetting swept or beat Vino was a menace same time difference was the West was stacked east was dog shit. When Vino went to the finals back to back to back they (the league knew what time it was) were shook thats y they threw out that cp3 trade. Had the clowns frm the mavs organization n other team owners kept their mouth shut n not cried to the commissioner this fake goat debate of a superstar that has a 4-6 record in the Finals (where it matters most wouldn't) would be compared to another that has a 6-0 record let alone jump a player wit a 5-2. Niccas is clowns n the lebron fans tale the number 1 spot
Yall defend kobe saying that wasnt a superteam but bash Lebron calling his old lakers a superteam which they both weren’t but make it make sense if you dont like a player just say that but dont throw around superteam all the time
LeBron James history : 'Take my talent to south beach' - 2010 'I'm not leaving Miami' - 2014.7. B.U.T LeBron homecoming - 2014.8. with saying 'I'm not going anywhere ever again' 'I Don't Believe I've Played For A Super Team' - 2017 lol
Why are you making this about Lebron? 😂 Wade just said he saw Kobe win two rings and then called Lebron in a very tongue in cheek movement. Everyone knows they made the decision to play together right after they both signed their rookie extensions which was before Kobe won his rings. They purposely all signed three year extensions so that they could play together earlier when their contracts expired. Even Melo was involved but he had a change of heart and signed another extension because he wanted the money. There were tones of videos where people talked about "what if Melo had followed through with the plan and teamed with Bron and Wade?" So this was just Wade kidding around. But this guy cant resist trashing Lebron even though Bron said nothing about Kobe 🤦♂ He literally should name his channel after the guy 🤣
The difference is Shaq and kobe needed to each other to win those three championships. Shaq never won a ring before joining the lakers. I’ll give props to Lebron for the 07 playoffs but lebron and bosh needed wade to win two championships.
Lebron was favored to win the east in 2010 and the media thought their favorite was finally bringing a chip to cle 😂😂😂 the lebron had no team is all lies truth is his jumpshot was too inconsistent and his 3 ball was horrible in those cav days 💯
Kobe was the best player from 2007-2010, lebron didnt become the best player until 2012. I would say wade was in 2011 but its between him and kobe for that year
@@hardwoodthought1213 Wade averaged more points the entire playoffs and averaged 30 vs the celtics which was the team lebron had the most problems with in Cleveland. Not to mention wade was outplaying lebron in the finals. Averaging more points, playing better defense and he was taking the shots down the stretch. Both were even tbh but the playoffs showed who was better. Wade was the better player just for that one year coming from a heat fan. The next 3 years lebron was easily the best player not only on the team but in the world
I love when Kobe fans say this, then ignore that the league rigged 3 rings in his favour 😂 they apparently hated him, yet were active in him winning. Sure thing
I don't understand the LeBron goat argument. He never dominated the league. In the 2000's Duncan and Kobe won more I'm the 2010's he lost to Dirk And after that lost to Curry and then Curry + Durant. Everybody got to eat under "LeBron's league "
Thank You, this is what irked me the most in the video. Kobe and Lebron were not at their peaks at the same time. Lebron's peak was from 2012 to 2017, and look at what Kobe was doing during that time. You can only make the case that they were at their best for 2 of the years but then Kobe was injured and could not perform at that high level.
For people saying that Greg isn’t a better coach than Phil Jackson Popovich never had Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan on the Bulls and never had Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant on the Lakers, and was still able to pull out five rings, and 15 years he in my mind is the best coach ever to coach a team!
6 championships has been the standard. Kareem set that bar because he has 6 titles and 6 MVPs but only 2 FMVPs. Jordan turned it up a notch with his career. Leading out Kareem as the goat.
Sorry but Kareem is not greater than Jordan. And MVPs are idiotic award because lot of times players that should get MVP, do not just like last year Jokic should have won mvp but did not. Kareem got lucky with Magic too. Kareem is in my top 3 but I have to put Jordan as #1. Though have to say Kareem is very close to Jordan. But Jordan was better than Kareem in the playoffs so have to put Jordan over Kareem.
Spurs Ran LBJ Outta South Beach 🏝️ idk 🤷♂️ why Pop took Timmy out the last few minutes of the 2013 finals! I’ll never understand that.. But we Made it up 2014 playing team Basketball 🏀 in History EVER!
I think people are taking Wade words out of context the big 3 heats was formed to win champions because they saw Kobe winning and wanted to win as well but also to take on the Celtics , because that was said back then you have to take everything that was said , not just the recent stuff ,
Wade should have won MVP in 2008 - 2009 ..his team record compared to Lebron and Kobes was a reflection of how weak his teammates were compared to Kobe and Lebrons, Kobe still had his champions core crew Gasol, Fisher Odom etc..Lebron had Mo Williams, Ilgauskas and Ben Wallace , Wade had a rookie Mike Beasley (who never evolved into the player everybody thought he could be and a rookie Mario Chalmers, and Jermaine Oneal in his 12th season past his prime as his best teammates
Us REAL basketball fans just want the history of the game told accurately. NBA media tried to erase Kobe's legacy and impact in the Association.
@atlien1988 it's because what Kobe did in Colorado even though he was innocent that's why he gave his MVPS to nash
@@darnellwilliams8783 Yeah I know, but they will never say it. Just as someone voted for PJ Brown as MVP in 2005 when Kobe didn't receive any votes. I'm not even saying that Kobe deserved a vote, but PJ BROWN??!!
Then Nash gets two consecutive MVPs?! LMAO
2005-2010 was Kobe’s peak as the best player in the world
@@sokit2em thats a lie kobe wasn't the best player in the world in 2005 actually Allen Iverson from 1999 to 2005 and he was cheated out of the 2006 MVP
@@chrisuncleahmad666 huh? they won 45 games that year…that was Phil Jackson’s 1st back post Shaq
Kobe is hands down better than any player playing today. Lebron isn’t even close to Kobe. Kobe was a warrior!
Nah hes 6-16 against Lebron
@@emersontanega6969 yeah but he’s 5-2 in the finals. What’s lebron ?
@emersontanega166 Context? Most of those wins came after LeBron joined the Heat, and Kobe got old/injured.
@@Mrballerize wrong he alreafy winng since in cavs.
@@juicevino4288 hes not 5-2 he was sidekick during 3 champ run
The Redeem Team documentary didn't showcase the game where Kobe destroyed Bron in the Blue vs White game in Vegas. Oops, I forgot who producer was 😂
@gelosyarez8686 remember when Gilbert arenas dropped a 60 piece on Kobe
@@darnellwilliams8783remember when Arenas made it past the 2nd round? yeah right
@@darnellwilliams8783 on probably one of the worst shooting splits the league has ever seen
@@dxtremecaliber reminds when kobe demanded a trade then got carried by Pau
@@darnellwilliams8783Carried by Pau? Hahaha in what way bro? You can’t just throw out a ridiculous statement without backing it up with some facts.
If there is one thing that Labron and Curry has shown us is how hard it actually is to win three times in a row. One thing that is underappreciated is how close Kobe came to three-peating twice just like Jordan did. Everyone forgets Kobe's unfortunate loss in the finals the year before the back to back wins.
@@chrisuncleahmad666😂😂😂 yo are you serious? Kobe had to defeat the most 50 wins team on his road to 5 chips! Check the stats boi. He had the hardest competition when the West was the most stacked!
@@chrisuncleahmad666 yo a$$ high on LeEastWeaka$$ f@r7$
@@chrisuncleahmad666you must be the dumbest person. During kobe's career. The west was stronger than the east. Literally no debate.
@@chrisuncleahmad666Stop with the excuses 👌🏾
@loxt993exactly some people just be hating for no reason 🤦🏾♂️
Lebron James is the only athlete I've ever seen called the goat who's gotten his ass kicked over and over and over again. Other goats are known for winning in dominant fashion like Mayweather, Brady and Jordan. But all this guy gets are excuses from the media and his sack lickers whenever he loses.
@@chrisuncleahmad666 That's silly for people to say that. Whether you like him or not you can't deny he's top 5 or 6 all time. I'm not the biggest fan either. He deserved flowers but I can't say he's the goat. Hell na.
Kobe was the closest ive seen to jordan. Legends.
Jordan NEVER lost in the NBA Finals! LeBron lost MORE than he’s won! LeBron wears number 6 to match the rings on Jordans hand
@@chrisuncleahmad666 A Bronsexual saying "I am not a LeBron fan, but..." 🤣
Let's be real. the reason LeFlop is getting bashed is because he gets all the undue credit for his team success and his teammates are thrown under the bus for failures. Not only that, there are list of other things
1. Flopping
2. Crying to the refs for good calls and still doesn't get any technicals when other players would've easily had several with his demeanor
3. Media constantly tries to hype him up while talking trash on other players' legacies. You'd be stupid to not understand that LeChina is heavily involved in media with the amount of D riding they are doing for him.
This also shows that he's the instigator in attacking other players' legacies.
@@cafelatte1124 Jordan fits all three of those to a tee
Brons legacy is based on how many times he almost won but ultimately lost
No goat
At least Bron's legacy doesn't have a rape case in it,like Kobe's does.
@@kerry-j4mthat has absolutely nothing to do with basketball. And he was found innocent.
Kobe haters are something else. What's next hating him for his fashion sense? His diet? The kind of movies he likes? Huge idiots all around.
@@kerry-j4mdoes that make him a better ball player or deflects that he had to team up with others to be a winner. It’s amazing how you guys constantly move the goalposts for this guy. I was a fan of Bron until he jumped ship because it went against everything I taught my son; work to be the best.
@@kerry-j4mThat has nothing to do with basketball. It’s definitely a reputation destroying scandal, but it has nothing to do with what Kobe did on the court.
@@kerry-j4msomething is wrong with you Fr
This is just more proof that kobe should be ranked higher then both dwade and lebron. The same kobe that saved the redeem team. The same kobe that defeated boston lebron couldnt get pass. The same kobe who was the last person to 3peat after the GOAT 🐐.
WAde is already lower than Kobe. Even Nick Wright gave KObe 6th.
@doktor3196 surprising the way he bashes kobe i thought he was not in his top ten
@chrisuncleahmad thats crazy kobe was the closes thing to jordan its idiotic to rank him outside the top ten. Even Magic said kobe was the greatest laker to ever live.
@chrisuncleahmad facts honestly i would of gave rhat title to kareem
@@chrisuncleahmad666magic was 5-4 In finals and won only 5
Lebron himself said it repeatedly that Kobe Bryant was the best player in the world during that time. That should've wrapped the entire narrative up, but then Nick Wright happened... 😑🤗
LeBron James called himself goat 🐐 so that means he saying he's better player then a Kobe Bryant 😂
So if you agree what LeBron James says you believe he goat 🐐😂
@@IamLegend-rb4eowhat are we 6 years old?
@@Goth-Season
Shaq O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams titles
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 😎
LeBron 38,652 pts on 50.5% fg more points than Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
@@IamLegend-rb4eodumb logic compare Kobe and pippen numbers pippen was a sidekick average about 15 or 16 Kobe was averaging the same numbers as Shaq besides the rebounds that's the only reason Shaq was getting them MVPS Kobe had to make Free throws for shaq Everytime he foul out Kobe carried his slow talking ass
For people who mistakenly think the 2012-13 Lakers were a super team consider these facts. Age 37-38 Nash was 2 years past his prime, chronic back pain limited him to only 50 games in the 2012-13 Season and 15 games in 2013-14 Season. Age 34 Kobe was in the last year of his prime. Though Dwight Howard was 27, he was also recovering from back surgery in the first half of the season. Las Vegas Oddsmakers projected those Lakers to be a 44-38 team. That was before age 32 Pau missed 33 games due to injury and those Lakers had 3 coaches, the last being D'Antoni.
As we know in the second half of the season, Kobe got fed up with losing. He self-increased to 40+ MPG and changed D'Antoni's plays to lead those Lakers to 27-12 before tearing his Achilles in game 80 of that season. In Kobe's last 1st Team All-NBA season, he played 78 games led the Lakers to a 45-37 record.
Atlantic top 10 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Bill Russell
5. Magic Johnson
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
The Atlantic has Kobe #10 greatest NBA player all time
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.5%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 38,652✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,261✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,186✔️ (9th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,073✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 78.00✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
@@caseyjones4287Kobe still greater than LeBron 😂
@@caseyjones4287Atlantic, pacific, Indian don't matter. Kobe > lestats
I'm not gone front, growing up I hated Kobe but always admired his talent.I loved AI & The Kings & most of all my Spurs yet that season I had 2 take my hat off 2 Kobe & say OK.He willed that team 2 the playoffs until his body gave out
Excellent observation. Kobe and MJ were also part of 3 peats which is extremely difficult, especially in the modern era. Kobe was able to hold the line through years with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker until some relief came with Gasol. He was definitely the best player at one point.
Hold the line? He achieved nothing and demanded a trade until the league gifted him Gasol
@@hardwoodthought1213 He didn't run away like a biotch. He stuck it out and won 2 more chips.
@@LargeDude2023He tried to, 3 times. Difference is his team got him help, Cleveland got LBJ Mo Williams….
@@hardwoodthought1213 I don't know who was on the Cavs because I don't follow them but I think they had Jamison, Highes and some other players. An older Shaq I think played there as well. I don't know the roster but guys like Hakeem and Dirk won without other Allstars in their prime so I guess it can be done.
@@LargeDude2023 Dirk had Steve Nash and Jason Kidd 😂
Hakeem I’ll give credit to, but he also tried hard to leave Houston.
The only difference between LBJ and guys like Hakeem and Kobe is that LBJ did what he wanted, the others were forced to stay and won because their teams managed to get them great talent, something Cleveland never showed an ability or willingness to do.
Hell, Kobe demanded a trade in 2000 after he won a ring. Explain that to me?
2:22 I’m lowkey shocked he even admitted this, considering that one of his rivals was sitting right next to him. Wade in the process with this admission further adds deeper blemishes on Bron’s resume and the fact that he could not dominate and win as the true alpha keeps him out of the elite ten, maybe even fifteen
I've had LeFraud out of my top 20 for a couple years now. 2011 choke job ruled him out of the top 10. His constant colluding with already existing superstars to try to chase easy rings (and still failing) takes him out of the top 15. His walking off the court with half the 4th to go, in the PLAYOFFS!!!, along with taking a month off after getting the all time points record (quitting on his team) takes him out of the top 20. Oh an let's not forgot, not playing defense for roughly 10 years.
@@jonathandepue629
Havlicek 8 rings > Kobe 5 rings
Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings
Pippen better player then Kobe if having better teams finals record means better player lol
Shaq O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on teams titles
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 😎
LeBron 38,652 pts on 50.5% fg more points than Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt not top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
@IamLegend-rb4eo none of what you said addresses any of the points I made. . .
@@jonathandepue629
I don't care about what you said
Bron was never an Alpha after he left Cleveland the first time he is the guy behind the Alpha..
Thank you for telling the truth. The only people who overrate Pau are Kobe haters. Pau needed Kobe more than the other way around.
Based on what? The 3 years from 04-07, Pau and Kobe achieved the exact same. Neither won a playoff series
Never has a player in history been so intimately tied to needing such a specific teammate (All-NBA big man) just to win a playoff series as Kobe
@@hardwoodthought1213 lol you trolling hard but I got time. Pau made 1 all star appearance before going to the Lakers. He wasn’t even an all star the year before the trade. Pau wasn’t considered a top pf until he went to LA. No one was checking for Pau in 2007, while Kobe was widely considered the best player in the league around that time. You tried though.
@@willardweston8984You know various coaches and GMs tried to pressure the league into vetoing the trade because they felt it wasn’t a fair deal, right? Kobe was gifted Pau for peanuts when others stated they’d have given up multiple first round picks and players for him.
But still, as I pointed out, Kobe never won a playoff series unless he had a CURRENT All-NBA teammate (Shaq, Pau or Bynum. Hell, even Howard made it but Kobe was injured for the playoffs). That’s pathetically bad. Your boy couldn’t get past round 1 without a top 15 player by his side 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 lol you funny my boy. What superstar won without help? Kobe and the Lakers got beat twice by the suns who were a better team. Idk what you don’t understand or you just hate on Kobe.
@@willardweston8984I can name dozens of players who won a playoff series without an All-NBA teammate. Hell, Kobes own contemporary Duncan won 4 titles without that and even won in 03 without an All-Star teammate
No, my brother, the Magic-Bird, Jordan, the entire Dream Team, Hakeem, Dominique, young Shaq, Detroit's bad boys: that's the unmatched talented era
by the time Shaq was *drafted* Bird was basically out of the league due to a back injury, Magic *was* out of the league due to AIDS, and the Bad Boys were in freefall because of the injuries sustained in their second title run
Good to finally see Duncan getting the recognition he deserves
When did he get recognised?
@@hardwoodthought1213exactly this whole video is gawk gawking kobe
@@brandangreen1390
I ain't watch video just came to comment lol
@@MyGoatFrFr
Duncan 3 finals mvps, 2 league mvps better player then Kobe 2 finals and 1 league mvp
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt not top 5 player all time
@@IamLegend-rb4eo he been getting overrated since he died a little to much
Shamefully part of me believes that Bron is glad Kobe is not around any more
@@chrisuncleahmad666 y u shitting on every post...your bisha$$ KING getting exposed left right and center
@@chrisuncleahmad666kobe didn't insult KD for his pussy move, would he insult bron nowadays? Hell nah
@@chrisuncleahmad666 you're part of Klutch. You tell us. Are there limits for y'all?
@@doktor3196Whats funny is that people like you who can't even play ball for more than 5 minutes are talking like they know how the greatest basketball players think.
6-16 against lebron
Ten 50 win teams just shows you how the rule changes like removing hand checking and allowing things like obvious traveling and flopping, changed the game.
I think LBJ's real problem can't be solved. He lost six Final's series. That can't be unseen. Just like the Buffalo Bills went to four straight Super Bowls and lost all four. It was an amazing accomplishment but not GOAT level stuff. Winning six for six is GOAT stuff. Winning 5 of 7 is GOAT level. 4 of 10 titles is below average. Plus, LBJ is a crybully-diva.
Additionally, the way LeBron played in the 2011 finals, with Heat as the favorites, cannot be unseen.
I AWLAYS mention the Buffalo Bills from the 90s because although making 8 consecutive Finals is undeniably impressive, it falls super short because LeBron lost more than half those appearances. The Bills aren't remembered as one of the greatest teams ever because they never climbed that mountain. Ultimately, LeBron did, but as you mentioned, you can't unsee 6 finals losses - especially when they're almost all epic collapses or beat downs.
@@chrisuncleahmad666no one even brought up legacy like that until le dicklicks and media tried jumping him to the top as goat, while disrespecting greats before him in the process. Kobe was in the goat conversations of being compared to mj damn near at the age of 22. Jordan was seen by his peers as goat his first three pear. Bron claims by himself his the best ever cause he beat the warriors from 3-1 in a series with hella asterisk. What are we really comparing??one series compared to a whole body of playoff finals success.
thats what i dont get really
how many times did MJ get bounced in the first round and then the conference finals by the bad boy pistons
LeBron *made* the dance 10 times, something only beaten by members of the Bill Russell Celtics, and in a league with 30 teams.
Beyond that he lost 3 times to the same guy and 2 times to another in Curry and Duncan the fact that he has losing records against near all the all time greats he's gone against is also huge
Kobe made Gasol Champion, was like MJ made Pippen Champion.....please make a video abt this.
MJ & Kobe are the players that all NBA players been chasing on, it takes mentality, hard work, skill, over longevity...
I just want to say I appreciate kobe Bryant as a player because he was greatness championship legend god bless him
No one triumphed over adversity like KOBE. For that He is my GOAT
Us kobe fans absolutely love this content!
Chasing Mamba and failed miserably.!!!
@@chrisuncleahmad666 typical ledicklick .!! Do your research man, don’t just get brainwashed by the delusional.!!
@@chrisuncleahmad666lol lebitch joined Dwade and bash to beat Kobe.
@@chrisuncleahmad666Yo homie, question?
How many titles Lebron and Kobe won with thier franchises?
Who is going to raise his yersey when he retires?
@@fingerprints2983every team he played for buddy
@@fingerprints2983 We're talking all time not just Lakers
Wades comments make it seem like to be better then Kobe they had to combine there accomplishments to pass Kobe, well damn.
Its' a pretty low bar to give LeBron props for valuing championships, when he got his rings by cheating the game. All the ACTUAL "GOAT debate" candidates (MJ, KAJ, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Timmy, Hakeem, Russell) came in and MADE their teams champions. None of them said "I need more help" and forced his way onto totally talent-stacked teams the way LeBron and Kevin Durant did. So, yeah, I guess it's good that LeBron wanted rings, but his rings simply have less value than those of the ACTUAL "GOAT debate" candidates. This is one of the biggest reasons LeBron will ALWAYS be a tier below those guys in the minds of knowledgeable basketball fans. (Other reasons are: LeBron can't shoot, he has no "mid-range" bag, he shrivels in the clutch, he travels like a long-haul airline pilot, and his best "go-to" move is the "flop and whine".)
You know Kobe had 3 series rigged in his favour to win over half his rings, right?
They always set the bar really low for LBJ so he can get praised easily. Remember when he got swept in 2018 and his boy Windhorst went on tv saying we should treat his run as a championship bc what he did no other player can do the same lmao. Remember the next year Shannon/Nick were saying how LBJ deserves credit for what he did for LA even though dude missed the playoffs lol, they’re truly the worst.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx You know in 2018 LBJ won 2 series where his 2nd leading scorer was outscored by his opponents 5th leading scorers, right? It’s an all time playoff run. Finals posters of KD, Curry, Klay, Green and Iggy v LBJ, Thompson, Jeff Green, Korver and George Hill 😂
Try again. The bar has never been higher for anyone than it was LBJ. Kobe won a ring with a teammate averaging 32/16 for an entire playoff run whilst he averaged 21/3/4, but now that rings puts him over James 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 beating Oladipo, DeRozan and rookie Tatum...then getting a broom in the finals? Yea that deserves a championship ring lmao
No one but LBJ gets extra credit for doing shit he’s suppose to do.
🔥🔥🔥... Str8 facts!!!
Wasn't until LeBron announced he wanted to join the Olympic team that I realized this -- LeBron's not only chasing the ghost in Chicago, but the ghost in LA as well. He wants everybody to call him the GOAT, yet he's still chasing MJ and Kobe?
Bro Lebron ain’t chasing no Kobe, how does that even sound? The only thing Kobe has over Lebron is that he’s won one more ring.
@@jaydot4956 I know. 1 more ring? Psh. Those are too easy to win. And Rich Paul is making sure everyone knows that they are overrated. Shannon and Nick got Bron's back. Let's go get Dame and Giannis and everyone to the Lakers. More help for Bron and all the Credits for him too. This is the way.
Give him one more bubble from mickey and maybe he will not get swept again
@@chrisuncleahmad666 Bruh. The whole era was garbage. F@ck those 2000s and 2010s plumbers. That includes Bron. If Miami Bron played in this 2020s, he'd $hitty AF. By 2030s NBA, Jordan, Kobe, Bron, Wade, dog $hit players. The game is evolving. We got to move on. Stop talking about the older players. It's all about young blood. Gilbert and JJ got this right.
@@chrisuncleahmad666explain cause Kobe faced and beat the most 50 win teams and repeated with no top 75 player in sight
The 90's and early 2000's for me I love that basketball era
Kobe can't win in these situations. When he took a backseat to Shaq, they say Shaq carried him. When Shaq leaves, they say he selfish and don't help his team. When he got gasol and mixed both versions of himself, they say he wasn't the best even though he was winning. They just hate kobe. But we know kobe is the baby goat next to mike
Here's the thing, Kobe was the closest to MJ on getting 2 3-peats on 2 sperate times in their careers.
KG had his prime in the West and Ray Allen went to the Sonics in '03, unfortunately for them Kobe and at times Dirk and Duncan were there. They just couldn't get past them, so they jumped to the Celtics and finally was able to get to the finals twice and beat Kobe once.
So technically speaking we could also say that possibly even the Celtics super team was built to beat Kobe. If several superstars joins forces on two separate occasions just to beat Kobe then that's just a testament to how ridiculous Kobe was.
Celtics was built cause Bron got out the east before anyone expected him to in 07... Then u had prime Kobe n Duncan out west.... Just one guy u had to beat in The east
I am sorry but when Celtics were built Lakers were not that great. The team to beat was the Spurs. Kobe and Lakers improved later.
Kobe was the man plain and simple!
Kobe should won MVP ‘09 & ‘10
Why?
@@syzorst he repeated
@@kingsleyjackson8287 That has nothing to do with why he should've won the MVP in 09 and 10. MVP is a regular season award.
@@syzorst he dominated both
@kingsleyjackson8287 LeBron's team not only had the best record in the league but he also beat Kobe in ppg, assist, rebounds, steals and win shares. He did that in both seasons.
You could say Kevin Durant going to Golden State was the equivalent of LeBron going to play in South Beach with Dwyane Wade…
It is not the same thing at all. You don't win championship with 2 or 3 players. You need like 11-12 NBA players. You need starters and bench players. That Miami team was built from scratch with Wade being there only and Lebron and Bosh, rest of the players were new and inexperienced. I hate it when people say you have 2 or more superstar in your team, you should win. It does not work like that. Basketball is a team sport and you need a balance team. That Heat team was very unbalanced. I remember as soon as the starting players were out the bench would get demolished. This is very different from Durant joining a 73-9 team with strong bench and starters.
@@faruquekhan3353with that being said
Kobe>Lebron
Makes sense. I say the same thing about the Celtics in 08. They wete looking towards Kobe or the Spurs. Not that meme crap you see about the Celtics coming together to beat LeBron in cleveland. Up until that point the highlight of LeBrons career was getting swept by San Antonio.
You do know Boston formed up before Pau joined LA, right? No one on the planet in 2007 was teaming up to stop Kobe, who couldn’t win a playoff series for 3 straight years prior 😂 it was because of SA, LBJ and just plain to win. Never understood this narrative of teammate to beat someone, when it’s just teaming to win
Kobe was such a great player and a great man, husband and father and I was really looking forward to seeing what he would do in his life after basketball. When you see Kobe’s family you see how truly successful he was.
Damn 10 50+ win teams hes beaten that time frame is actually pretty nuts
Great vid bro 💯🤜🏾🤛🏾
Not only did they make a super team to stop kobe but they also wouldn't let Chris Paul team up with him they tried everything to stop that man from getting 6 rings
It’s just insane to me how much people rewrite the history of Kobe Bryant. Idiots who claim he was never the best player in the world… man. It’s insane. In reality he was the best player in the league for nearly a decade. 2003-2010 easily.
81 piece in that era/pace is so crazy
Kobe > Lebron
Kobe won more with less assistance against far better competition, point blank period.
Lebron might have flashier stats, but people don't realize Kobe had his career averages severely diminished due to Del Harris and played in a far more physical league where not everyone could drop 25-5-5 every night.
Centers letting guards get rebounds, 5 out offenses for easy assists, ball dominant pick and roll for 90% of the game to rack up assists.
Lot of this era's players are fool's gold, People say Lebron is more efficient than Kobe, but the truth is Kobe is more effective across an actual basketball shot chart and his playstyle leads to more winning. Lebron shoots the majority of his shots inside the paint. It's always hilarious hearing the efficiency talk when Bron can't make 75% of his free throws.
Real ballers know it's much easier to guard someone like Lebron who looks for kickouts and doesn't have elite footwork. It's a far tougher assignment to deal with Kobe, who has no qualms about shooting from anywhere on the court and is comfortable in any situation. I wish Kobe got to play with as many all-stars, hall of famers, and top 75's as Lebron did, he'd have 6-7 rings easy. The truth is going to come out from the players as the years progress, the media narratives will start getting exposed.
In a game where one team needs to outscore the other to win, Kobe has the highest PPG ever recorded in basketball history when adjusted for pace (2005-2006). He's the only player besides Jordan to outscore all finals opposition by at least 10PPG in multiple finals series, and that's not even addressing that Kobe is one of the best perimeter defenders ever and arguably the most skilled player of all time. Give me Kobe every single day of the year.
You know your stuff and you are spot on! Kobe is the best to do it! Kobe had to wait 9 seasons before he got his own team and a green light otherwise his career stats would be absurd! There’s much more I can add but that’s enough for now!
96-98 Bulls faced 4 60 plus win teams, and 3 56 plus win teams. You say Kobe faced a gauntlet of teams…
weaker era...
@@ezekwu you are mistaken. Basketball became more popular because of the competition and the exiting games. NBA best ratings were in the 90s. It used to be must watch TV. That weak era Kobe and Shaq and the other 3 all stars on the lakers couldn’t even win the west. Lakers couldn’t even get out of the second round until 2000
Kobe's era > Jordan's era...
@@ezekwu opinion. Because it’s your opinion it’s not fact. If I say otherwise it’s not fact either. Those 2 Utah teams 97-98 gave Kobe and Shaq fits. It wasn’t until that team was dismantled that the lakers ruled the west. Amongst other teams that the lakers couldn’t beat. So 2000-2003 when the lakers ruled, those teams were gone
c'mon man, kobe wasn't kobe till 01...
Y'all do realize that Kobe was chasing Michael Jordan right but let's be real the NBA didn't want that to happen because of what MJs legacy means to the League.
Dwyane Wade told the truth saw the narrative it created and then tried to switch it with an interview with Kevin Garnett.
Slowly but surely his fakeness will be exposed
@chrisuncleahmad you look pretty out of shape to be talking so much $hit
@@chrisuncleahmad666 FACTS.??? Ledicklicks don’t even do factual research and y’all talking about facts..!!!SMH .! Numbers don’t lie.! In what universe does being runner up make you a goat.?? Super teams in 20 years and only 3.5 championships to show for and we are supposed to praise that.?? Why would it consider hating.??
@@chrisuncleahmad666 you are absolutely right.!! But those players are not going on national tv saying that they are goats, or have his minions parading and making excuses on why he failed so much but still is the goat, making parties with goats, and you know that when someone says who thesay they are people are going to challenge that period.!!!!! If you walk in the hood and say you are the hardest cat around what you think others are going to do?? Challenge for sure.!!
@@chrisuncleahmad666 well the argument is for the mainstream media hammering him and and people ask why, the answer is just because he is hyped up like crazy
I wish I could see Nick Wright's face when Wade said they team up to beat kobe lol
Prolly not much seeing as we have overwhelming evidence that it isn’t the case, and was quite clearly for Boston
@@hardwoodthought1213but Kobe beat that same Boston that same Boston they where teaming up for😂
@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk Prolly because he was gifted an All-NBA player in Pau, and had the league in his pocket as shown by the disgusting free throw disparity in game 7 v Boston where Kobe wet the bed and went 6-24 😂😂😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 he wasn't gifted a all NBA player lol Pau wasn't even an all star when he joined the Lakers I could easily argue 3rd options in LeBron's teams like Love and Bosh where better than him based on stats. I dare you to go look at the fg of Paul Piece, KG, Ray Allen, Bynum, Artest, Pau and Rondo in that same game they where all bad, the game was very physical and the refs weren't calling fouls Kobe ofcause had the worst because as the best player in the series he would attract more defence.
Kobe in that run had a decent second option and he got the job done going 2-1 (The one he lost Pau wasn't even an all star or all NBA, yet Kobe still lead them to the finals)while facing some of the toughest comp of all time,don't try to discredit it. LeBron on the other hand had Wade and Bosh and went 4-2 that's pathetic for someone considered the 🐐
@@MphoLukoto-lx9jk They weren’t calling fouls? In the 4th Q of game 7 LA shot 21, Boston shot 5. As I said, just like Game 6 v Sac and Game 7 v Portland, the refs whistle was bought by LA. 3 of the 5 most rigged or badly officiated games ever happened with Kobe on the floor. That’s not coincidence.
Isn’t Kobe the GOAT? Who cares how Rondo shot, he’s 50x the player isn’t he? BTW Pau shot 40%, that’s a huge difference between him and Kobe shooting 25%.
08 is literally the only season in Bricks career where he won a playoff series without a teammate making All-NBA 😂 Kobe needed more than anyone to win. Did Kobe ever win a playoff series without an All-Star teammate? Cause Duncan won a title without that
Lebron said it himself, on live national TV, after beating the Celtics: "the reason we got together was to beat the Celtics".
It had nothing to do with any western conference teams
maybe LeBron and Wade had different motives
@@MrOneanddone91 Lebron said it on live TV, while celebrating their win against the Celtics. He said that was THE reason, I'm not even mad that I lack the skills to make something like that up. All those who watched that game on TNT saw it as well
Wade just admitted the reason HE called LeBron and decided to team up was to dethrone Kobe. So again, maybe LeBron and Wade had different motives.
@@MrOneanddone91 I agree, he did say that in a RECENT interview.
But between me and you, which sounds better right now in 2023 knowing what we know now, would Wade want to admit that he couldn't beat the Celtics (that include Paul Pierce, I don't think I need to explain why I mentioned his name) or Kobe Bryant?
Also, only Chris Bosh had a losing record against the Lakers before they joined the Heat, so the Heat and Cavaliers weren't afraid of the Lakers.
Why don't you look at the Bulls Playoff opponents from 1996-1998 @uncut hoops. Now that is a gauntlet of high 50 and 60 plus win teams. Not even close
The fact that the top 2 players in the east teamed up to beat one guy… tells you all you need to know about who was the best in that era
They didn’t. Bosh wasn’t a top 20 player, now he was top 3 in the East 😂 dozens of players coaches and executives stated in real time it was to defeat Boston. Miami never even faced Kobe 😂
Facts. It was Kobe Bryant.
@@hardwoodthought1213You're lying. In 2010, Bosh was a Top 20 player in the NBA. Top 3 in the East is stretching it tho.
@@hardwoodthought1213Bosh was definitely top 20 stop doing drugs
@@TH-cq7bj Nah, he wasn’t. That man never won a playoff series outside the LBJ years and made 1 All-NBA team his whole career, in 07. That’s less than Andrew Bogut. By 2011, I can argue Bosh wasn’t even a top 10 PF (I’m taking Duncan, Dirk, KG, Love, LMA, Griffin, Z-Bo, and Pau over him).
They chase kobe who got swept by the Dallas.
So all of a sudden Kobe was good for only two years? Who was better before 2008? Kobe was the best player from 2002 to 2012…
And the bronsexuals still debating da king over his Airness
Kobe ranks higher than Bron. Kobe still has one more ring. Got all his rings with the same team and stayed loyal and he's 3 peated. This just enhances Kobe's legacy. They literally formed a superteam to try to stop him 😂😂 Kobe>Bron
Dozens of players have stated in real time they joined to beat Boston.
They never even faced Kobe 😂
Kobe has zero case over LBJ
Bro demaded a trade cut the loyalty bullshit these kobe fans get on my nerves
@@hardwoodthought1213nah Kobe > Lebron all day
@@brandangreen1390how about the decision trade about Lebron. How about I’m coming back home. How about I’m joining la. The difference is Kobe had no help while Lebron had wade and bosh who were still good players but passed there prime. When he left the Cavs again they were rebuilding their roster and he left.
Never forget Wade was better than LeBron 2004-2011 and was the best player on redeem team
Kobe is the MJ of this era ,that dwade and LeBron Jones had to join forces to win championships.that proves the Kobe was a born killer
Watching Kobe dunk on the Nets then Bron on them small bulls team Def was different
@7:30 tells alot man its crazy they called kobe a pippen avg STAR NUMBERS
Kobe would’ve got 8 rings with Paul if the NBA didn’t hate him because he was Neo in the league. He was never supposed to have existed in the league.
Some players, sports media bonehead's and fans say its not about championships!? Ok so lets not have a finals anymore lets just play 82 games and see who has the best stats at the end of the season! How DUMB is that!!! Being the champion is what its ALL about! Its about getting that ring! Lets not have a Superbowl anymore lets just see who can throw the most TDs and least amount of INTs through a 20 games seasons. DUMB! Its about who is the best TEAM! Its always the team no mattter how good one player is! No one cares if lebron has 45,000 points and 4 championships which he was lucky to get 2! Kobe is still 1 up on him and MJ is 2! No one would really care if kobe scored 3000 points in a season but fell short! CHAMPIONSHIPS is where its at and what its ALL about! I cant believe ANYONE would even say otherwise!
Reason Kobe wasnt the best every year look at the talent he faced and was in the league on each team ... Prime Dwight Howard vince carter tracy mc grady Dirk Duncan Wade Lebron Jason kidd Kevin Garnett Shaq Yao ming .Carmelo Allen Iverson..damm there was star on almost every team back then
Gasol and Bosh and Love are all same tier of player. And that’s two of Bron’s third options haha
Kobe should have had 2-3 MVPs from 08-10. LBJ wasn't the best player until 2011 when Kobe was dethroned by the Mavs
Man im still mad about the cp3 trade.
*@Uncut Hoops* Kobe was the best player in the world for way more than 2 years with LeBron already in The League. Kobe was the best player in the world the last 2 seasons that Shaq was a Laker.
Kobe was the best player of the 2000s. Kobe is a top 2 all time player behind only Michael Jordan
I think they talked about teaming up during the redeem team run after seeing Kobe go ham at 0500 workouts.
If you a kobe hater yall might as well not comment wade told the Truth who was the best all alone 😂😂
👍🏼 another great video. It's funny, how new media and these Lebron fanatics always wanna play the Pippen card for Jordan and the Shaq card for Kobe. However, Pippen NEVER won a chip without Jordan and Shaq never had a chip until 2000 with Kobe. One thing is for sure, D. Wade had a chip before Lebron. Something, clown ass new media will NEVER talk about. Just like how they never talk about the redeem team, but the facts will always appear one way or another.
Always remember that a majority of jealous team owners Uniquely & Unfairily prevented Kobe from having a super team in 2011-12 Season (Kobe-CP3-Bynum). They never stopped LeBron, Duncan, Pierce, Garnett, Wade, Nash, Curry or Durant. And don't say the 2012-13 Kobe-Howard-Nash Lakers were a super team because Nash was age 38, chronic back injured. A blind man could have predicted that he'd only play 50 games that season. Pau was looking for the exit and would not sign a contract extension, despite the Lakers offering a non-trade clause.
Take out Nash, Kobe still had Howard and Pau. If Bosh and Wade is a superteam so is that
They also gifted him Pau in 08, and rigged 3 rings for Kobe. the Paul veto is just because of that
Clowns will talki jus to talk. Iv read to many comments frm the one above n funny how he states the nba rigged 3 for Kobe but not the 4 questionable championships the princess frm alron has.
During the time the princess was going to the finals and vetting swept or beat Vino was a menace same time difference was the West was stacked east was dog shit. When Vino went to the finals back to back to back they (the league knew what time it was) were shook thats y they threw out that cp3 trade. Had the clowns frm the mavs organization n other team owners kept their mouth shut n not cried to the commissioner this fake goat debate of a superstar that has a 4-6 record in the Finals (where it matters most wouldn't) would be compared to another that has a 6-0 record let alone jump a player wit a 5-2. Niccas is clowns n the lebron fans tale the number 1 spot
Princess frm akron
Yall defend kobe saying that wasnt a superteam but bash Lebron calling his old lakers a superteam which they both weren’t but make it make sense if you dont like a player just say that but dont throw around superteam all the time
Find the Weakest Link:
MJ: 3-peat twice, 6 - 0 in finals
w/ Pippen
Kareem: No 3-peat, 6 - 4 in finals
w/ Magic & Worthy
Kobe: 3-peat once, 5 - 2 in finals
w/ Shaq & Gasol
Lebron: No 3-peat, 3 - 10 in finals w/ 12 or more Allstars teammates & multiple HoF Superteams
Curry: No 3-peat, 4 - 2 in finals
w/ Durant
LeBron James history :
'Take my talent to south beach' - 2010
'I'm not leaving Miami' - 2014.7.
B.U.T
LeBron homecoming - 2014.8. with saying 'I'm not going anywhere ever again'
'I Don't Believe I've Played For A Super Team' - 2017 lol
Lebron fans seem to forget about those
6:16 - Honestly, to half of them, it isn't. The championship drive is a slow dying art. They just care about when's my next big contract.
Why are you making this about Lebron? 😂 Wade just said he saw Kobe win two rings and then called Lebron in a very tongue in cheek movement. Everyone knows they made the decision to play together right after they both signed their rookie extensions which was before Kobe won his rings. They purposely all signed three year extensions so that they could play together earlier when their contracts expired. Even Melo was involved but he had a change of heart and signed another extension because he wanted the money. There were tones of videos where people talked about "what if Melo had followed through with the plan and teamed with Bron and Wade?" So this was just Wade kidding around. But this guy cant resist trashing Lebron even though Bron said nothing about Kobe 🤦♂ He literally should name his channel after the guy 🤣
Kobe beat Superteam without superstars
Not true he had pau gasol but I see what you mean tho
They got together and couldn't catch Kobe in rings and LeBron declared himself the G.O.A.T......
You know Kobe played with one of the ten greatest players ever for twice the length LBJ played with Wade, right?
The difference is Shaq and kobe needed to each other to win those three championships. Shaq never won a ring before joining the lakers. I’ll give props to Lebron for the 07 playoffs but lebron and bosh needed wade to win two championships.
FACTS
Kobe had a hell of a TEAM plus nobody was getting past the Celtics in the East alone so yeah wade Bron and Bosh had to team up
"Hell of a team" what are you talking that laker team is clearly the worst team to ever go back to back in the morden era
Lebron was favored to win the east in 2010 and the media thought their favorite was finally bringing a chip to cle 😂😂😂 the lebron had no team is all lies truth is his jumpshot was too inconsistent and his 3 ball was horrible in those cav days 💯
We were chasing Kobe
Dirk enters the chat
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Kobe was the best player from 2007-2010, lebron didnt become the best player until 2012. I would say wade was in 2011 but its between him and kobe for that year
Wade outplayed LBJ in 1 playoff series, on what planet does that make him over LBJ? Kobe in 2011 is also wild
Both are sleeping on tim duncan
@@hardwoodthought1213 Wade averaged more points the entire playoffs and averaged 30 vs the celtics which was the team lebron had the most problems with in Cleveland. Not to mention wade was outplaying lebron in the finals. Averaging more points, playing better defense and he was taking the shots down the stretch. Both were even tbh but the playoffs showed who was better. Wade was the better player just for that one year coming from a heat fan. The next 3 years lebron was easily the best player not only on the team but in the world
@@franagustin3094the only people who say that are people who weren’t watching basketball back then lol.
@@kobejordan0823 and tim was the best back then
I feel Wade and Lebron don’t have a good relationship nowadays. It’s crazy that Wade revealed this piece of information.
“Only Paul Gasol” lmao. Dude.
Dude never did shit in the league without kobe.
He was just a rich mans Thiago Spilitter after the lakers.
It’s so obvious they’re trying to defame Kobe’s character and legacy. He’s way better than LeBron and is second only to MJ.
I love when Kobe fans say this, then ignore that the league rigged 3 rings in his favour 😂 they apparently hated him, yet were active in him winning. Sure thing
Both Kobe and LeBron are overrated but Kobe was better
I don't understand the LeBron goat argument.
He never dominated the league.
In the 2000's Duncan and Kobe won more
I'm the 2010's he lost to Dirk
And after that lost to Curry and then Curry + Durant.
Everybody got to eat under "LeBron's league "
Your logic means basically the only GOATS could be Russell or MJ, because everyone else had people ‘eat’ under them
D wade clearly stated “we made the super team bc of BOSTON “
Ol Goat James
this guy always compares peak kobe to 24 year old lebron...
compare him to tim duncan, his ACTUAL rival
Lebron lives rent free in this guys head
Thank You, this is what irked me the most in the video. Kobe and Lebron were not at their peaks at the same time. Lebron's peak was from 2012 to 2017, and look at what Kobe was doing during that time. You can only make the case that they were at their best for 2 of the years but then Kobe was injured and could not perform at that high level.
For people saying that Greg isn’t a better coach than Phil Jackson Popovich never had Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan on the Bulls and never had Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant on the Lakers, and was still able to pull out five rings, and 15 years he in my mind is the best coach ever to coach a team!
Pop has achieved nothing without Duncan
6 championships has been the standard. Kareem set that bar because he has 6 titles and 6 MVPs but only 2 FMVPs. Jordan turned it up a notch with his career. Leading out Kareem as the goat.
Sorry but Kareem is not greater than Jordan. And MVPs are idiotic award because lot of times players that should get MVP, do not just like last year Jokic should have won mvp but did not. Kareem got lucky with Magic too. Kareem is in my top 3 but I have to put Jordan as #1. Though have to say Kareem is very close to Jordan. But Jordan was better than Kareem in the playoffs so have to put Jordan over Kareem.
Spurs Ran LBJ Outta South Beach 🏝️ idk 🤷♂️ why Pop took Timmy out the last few minutes of the 2013 finals! I’ll never understand that.. But we Made it up 2014 playing team Basketball 🏀 in History EVER!
Even Shawn Kemp and Larry Johnson so many players left out and you can see it.
Guarantee ESPN won’t put this out there
Kobe the only champion to win a championship with different supporting casts
Kobe was the best in the league 02-2012
Why the mainstream media not talking about this,?? Did paul just got on national tv saying lefraud gets hammered?? But everyone stays quiet.!!!
Which means Kobe was the best in the league so all of that LeBron has been the best since he's been in the league 💩 needs 2 🛑 👌🏾
2010s onward he was
I think people are taking Wade words out of context the big 3 heats was formed to win champions because they saw Kobe winning and wanted to win as well but also to take on the Celtics , because that was said back then you have to take everything that was said , not just the recent stuff ,
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Wade should have won MVP in 2008 - 2009 ..his team record compared to Lebron and Kobes was a reflection of how weak his teammates were compared to Kobe and Lebrons, Kobe still had his champions core crew Gasol, Fisher Odom etc..Lebron had Mo Williams, Ilgauskas and Ben Wallace , Wade had a rookie Mike Beasley (who never evolved into the player everybody thought he could be and a rookie Mario Chalmers, and Jermaine Oneal in his 12th season past his prime as his best teammates
It may have started with 2 but only 1 of them successfully passed him up.
It’s crazy dirk beat all of them
@@MyGoatFrFr was an awesome team
There’s no way you guys are this brainwashed😭
oh they are🤣🤣🤣The NBA dont even try with these storylines anymore and these fanboys still eat this shit up
@@maddaminkk it’s so crazy bro😭😭there’s no way they are trying to make it out that LeBron was jealous of Kobe
@@realnick8239 🤣🤣🤣kobe fans make everything about Lebron. I swear these dudes talk about Lebron more than they talk about kobe at this point
the decision was the 2nd weakest move in NBA history
What's the first?
@@artuszara2684 kd to gs obviously
And this is why they leave kobe name out of the goat debate