Shaq says Kobe Bryant belongs in GOAT debate 🐐 Stephen A. & JWill respond | First Take
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- Shaq says Kobe Bryant belongs in GOAT debate 🐐 Stephen A. & JWill respond | First Take
On First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Jay Williams respond to Shaquille O’Neal’s comments that Kobe Bryant belongs in the GOAT debate.
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Its disgusting how ONLY the media disrespects Kobe Bean Bryant
Telling the truth isn’t disrespectful. Just bc you don’t wanna hear something doesn’t mean it’s disrespectful. It just means you’re sensitive 🤣
Yeah. SAS is fckn horrible.
Trust me if we on social media keep making comments on their own platform saying Kobe is in the Goat talks...it will push the narrative
@@TylerH510you’re sad bro he smacked y’all for multiple decades you still hurt 😂
Facts
Who cares if Kobe had Shaq for his first 3 rings. Bron had mad help in his career I’m taking KOBE BRYANT over Bron any day
Bron NEVER had a SHAQ
@@CoolTy23 yea he had everybody else
@@CoolTy23he did though lol
Bron was the help.
@@fearlesskingdom4051 if bron was the help he shouldn’t need help
Magic himself said (Kobe is The greatest Lakers in franchise history)
He was just being polite
@@tbd3058 maybe, But Kobe Bryant is The goat Lakers by far
😂 the greatest laker not to pass the ball
@@peytonnmanning1503 better than the self proclaimed goat who likes to flop and complain to the refs. 😂
BINGO
Media keeps mentioning Shaq w/ Kobe but not Lebron w/ Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis. Terrible argument
MJ with Scottie, Horace, Dennis, Kerr, Kukoc
@@rodneyleejr3040 biggest difference is mj didnt pick who he wanted to play with.
@@2408spydah 😂 yall really be delusional you do know he literally went hand picked and recruited Dennis right?
@@rodneyleejr3040 u do know he already had 3 championships b4 dennis right? 🤣
@@2408spydah what that got to do with him making the bulls draft Tony Kukoc? Or going out his way to make sure they get Ron Harper? Nothing. But you wanna act like LeBron the first superstar in history to manipulate his roster. Foh lol
The media doesn’t put Kobe in the conversation, but all the ppl who played with and against him put him in the convo.
Because he died
Colorado man. And it sucks because that situation made the media turn their backs on Kobe. So here we are 20 yrs later, and young ppl, (which there are a lot of), think LeBron is actually in the same conversation as MJ and Kobe, when he's not even close
No one outside of shaq puts Kobe in the Goat convo
@@straightlead8 ok.
@@onemoremic Im 45 years old and Kobe is no where near Lebron or Jordan
04-10 Kobe was by far the most skilled player to ever play in the nba, the fact y’all deny this is unfair to the entire sport itself
More like 2000-2010
2003?
Notice how you skipped the years Shaq won 3 straight Fmvps over Kobe.
no MJ was the most skilled weve seen Kobe was the closest to ever come to it thats why it makes no sense that other guys get mentioned before him constantly!
Don't forget the 2003 season where Kobe average 30 6 and 6 with 2 steals a game coming off a 3 peat, if the Lakers had a better record to start that season Kobe coulda had his first MVP that year
Media always hates on Kobe
Dawg kobe barely top 8 player of all time and that’s with me being biased towards him💀💀
@@Da1o so u agree my statement that media be hating on Kobe sometimes
@@Hotrod3097 undoubtedly when he played, but there was a shift after kobe retired and then another big shift after he passed, people barely trash kobe now, and if they do it’s because people put him in conversations he doesn’t belong in💀💀
@@Da1o only cuz he’s dead they have to talk nice about him
I gusse the players do too because every poll that nba players have always have MJ Lebron Kobe
People really don't understand how great Kobe actually was..
Smith really said he disagrees with shaq that kobe should be in the conversation just to say at the end that he deserves to be in that conversation
LOL! Good catch.
He said he really agree with Shaq not disagrees
@@Slimreaper444
"Stephen A. Do you agree with Shaq?"
"Of course not. I rarely agree with Shaq. That's my brother but I rarely agree with him."
@@ItsGamingFancy you right , that shi was confusing
My point exactly stephan a smith is a straight up clown
A.I., Vince, KD, Garnett, Dirk, Kawhi, T-Mac, Webber etc. Great players who actually had to play against Kobe all say the same thing. It's just stat geeks, analytic nerds and unathletic people who don't get it.
And you can find the same amount of players that say jordan and lebron and kareem so your argument says nothing
This right here. Kobe went against a gauntlet of great players during that time
Stats matter. Why else keep them
@@brittanywilson9361 cap
jordan said he rather play with kobe
It goes Mike, Kobe, and then whomever you wanna add next....
Faxxx cuxxxo MJ...Kobe...whoever else I can care less 🗣RESPECTFULLY
@@kingb3nz550
Greatest NBA players all time top 11
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. LeBron James
6. Larry Bird
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Tim Duncan
11. Kobe Bryant
Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday
Rings
Kareem 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 1
Finals Mvps
Kareem 2
Kobe 2
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Kareem 8✔️
Kobe 3
Points score
Kareem 38,387✔️
Kobe 33,643
Field goal%
Kareem 55.9%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol
Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol
Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂
Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps
Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂
Greatest NBA players all time top 11
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. LeBron James
6. Larry Bird
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Tim Duncan
11. Kobe Bryant
Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday
Rings
Kareem 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 1
Finals Mvps
Kareem 2
Kobe 2
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Kareem 8✔️
Kobe 3
Points score
Kareem 38,387✔️
Kobe 33,643
Field goal%
Kareem 55.9%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol
Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol
Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂
Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps
Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂
MJ KOBE then LEBRON NEED A LIL MORE TO PASS KOBE. LEBRON LOST TO STEPH TOO MUCH FOR ME
The man died 4 years ago and HERE WE ARE, debating ONCE AGAIN, if he’s the GOAT….he is. PERIOD.
FIRST OF ALL ESPN ....KOBE BRYANT NEVER LEFT THE CONVERSATION ......YOU GUYS AND CLUTCH SPORTS MARKETING TEAM AKA NICK WRIGHT AND SHANNON ARE ONES WHOS BEEN PUSHING THIS NARRATIVE
Facts
You sound stupid
Kobe has never been in the conversation
@wangtang12 Google and RUclips are free if I too young just checkout the temperature of the 00's b4 u make silly comments like that
@@terricarter9435 you should take your own advice. Kobe is not in the conversation
They really discredit Kobe is crazy
Athletic top 10 best NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Bill Russell
5. Magic Johnson
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
Athletic has Kobe Bryant #10 all time
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.6%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 40,446✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,270✔️ (8th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,110✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time)
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
Y'all worship a accused R apist Kobe
@@BayWolf-pp1evhow you worded it as athletic is wrong....nothing wrong with your list but should have just said top 10 players all time take the athletic part out.....cause if it was all about athletic then kyrie irving.....a.i. ppl like that would be on the list
@@BayWolf-pp1evyou can keep copying and pasting that same comment 😂😂. Meanwhile your precious “king“ is at Cancun
Didn’t Lebron have Dwade Bosh Kyrie Ray Allen Kevin love and Anthony Davis? How tf do we leave this out of the convo?
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs
Finals Mvps (individual player)
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Shaq 3
Kobe 2
Best player on Lakers 3peat
Jordan 6
LeBron 4
Kobe 2
🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭
LeBron 40,446 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14
Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
You got Kobe D ick on yo lips
The media doesn’t speak for me! Kobe is my goat 🐐
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
@@FraizerBerrysheeeesh
@FraizerBerry 5️⃣ 𝙍𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙮 𝙆𝙊𝘽𝙀 𝙞𝙨 𝘽𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙈𝙞𝙘𝙝𝙖𝙚𝙡 𝙅𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙖𝙣:
1. KOBE is the "𝗢𝗻𝗹𝘆" player in NBA History to beat 4️⃣-5️⃣0️⃣ win teams and win a title without a top 75 teammate. Note : The average number of wins their opponents had in the playoffs- KOBE: 54.4% > MJ: 53.4% / Kobe Also played in a tougher era and Won B-2-B championships Without a top 75 player. Jordan never beat a super team in the finals, Kobe beat the 2010 Boston Celtics, they had 4 hall of famers on that team.
2. KOBE is "more skilled" has better shooting range and a wider variety of moves inside and outside offense compared to Jordan, who prefers to use predictable mid-range game and post game. Note: KOBE's three-point shooting is 34.1% against Jordan’s 32.7%
3. KOBE is a better ball handler, free throw shooter and plays much more comfortably on the perimeter than Jordan. Note: KOBE has kept a 83.8% from the line against Jordan’s 83.5%.
4. KOBE is a better passer- finished 31st in career assists, whereas Jordan finished 45th on the all-time list.
Note: KOBE recorded 4 seasons in which he finished inside the Top 20 for season assist totals compared to Jordan’s three. Kobe has the most assists for a SG playoffs + regular season ( 7.2k) Assists
5. KOBE is more durable - had three knee injuries a torn wrist, a fractured bone in his hand, broken index finger and yet he played on and won a Championship in 2010 against the Boston Celtics which where a super team.....Whereas Michael Jordan suffered from one notable injury in his career and almost sat out for a whole season.
Stephen A says a lot without saying nothing. Stfu
ong
The best at it.
FACTS
Just cuz he died does not make him top 5 he’s too 15 at most even Tim Duncan was better and every time he face off against Lebron he got destroyed don’t believe me look it up, Kobe was not better than Magic or Kareem no where near close
@@Dannycole-lb1wnain’t it his job to talk? Lmao y’all 🥷s sum else
He really does. MJ respected Kobe too. It's not that deep.
Because Kobe he knew 2 FINALS MVP stop it
Well, MJ also respected Magic, Larry, Olajuwon, David Thompson, lots of greats.
Don’t forget Lefraud is the most over-rated nba star in nba history. Brons fans think losing finals is better than actually winning them
@@Heatpad.Murray1getting there better than getting swept in first round
@@franknatti5367 and just like that you prove his point. Congrats 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Kobe won the 2009 championship and ... called up Hakeem, asking to work on his footwork over the summer. That's a mindset that very few have.
Kobe should be in that conversation period
No
How soon yall are to forget greatness. It's embarrasing. Kobe is definitely in that debate
Yessir
He was never in the debate for good reason
He’s really not though, He’s not better than Bron, Kareem, Magic, and prime for prime. He’s not better than Shaq
He was never in the debate until he passed, be honest
@@RighteousgeniusGo RUclips NBA games morning show debates from late 2000s/early 2010s he was absolutely being compared to MJ/can he catch him it’s after he retired and died the disrespect has been getting worse every year
Kobe is the only person who gets compared to Jordan and it’s consider a bad thing… riddle me that 🤔
Really?
"The ONLY person"?
Kobe is 80% of what Jordan is to be considered better you'd have to be something different all together
Funny how everyone is comparing ant to jordan and kobe, but not lebron
That’s because of play style rather than just how good they are
@@LuanNguyen-rj1btprobably cause lebron nd Jordan dont play alike….
It baffles me how people act like Kobe isn’t in the GOAT conversation but you can go back to ESPN and Fox sports clips form 2016/2017/2018 when they’re literally debating Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron. Bean retired in 2016 with one of greatest performances we’ve seen. What has changed in the past 4-7 years that makes Kobe not in the discussion?
Kobe and MJ are interchangeable to me. He's gotta be there. Just my opinion. Bean was a killer like Mike, and HAD the ability to snatch your heart right outta your chest and keep coming until your will and desire were completely broken
@@scotthayes1210
Greatest NBA players all time top 11
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. LeBron James
6. Larry Bird
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Tim Duncan
11. Kobe Bryant
Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday
Rings
Kareem 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 1
Finals Mvps
Kareem 2
Kobe 2
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Kareem 8✔️
Kobe 3
Points score
Kareem 38,387✔️
Kobe 33,643
Field goal%
Kareem 55.9%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol
Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol
Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂
Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps
Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂
Greatest NBA players all time top 11
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. LeBron James
6. Larry Bird
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Tim Duncan
11. Kobe Bryant
Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday
Rings
Kareem 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 1
Finals Mvps
Kareem 2
Kobe 2
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Kareem 8✔️
Kobe 3
Points score
Kareem 38,387✔️
Kobe 33,643
Field goal%
Kareem 55.9%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol
Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol
Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂
Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat
Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps
Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂
Bubble ring apparently lol .
@@StephonAllen-dn2uw you’re way too invested in the GOAT debate. I’m not reading all that 🤣
Out of his own mouth..Magic said Kobe was the greatest Laker.
Kobe is the only person who gets discredited for having a great teammate. Kareem had Oscar and Magic, who were considered the GOAT at their positions. Magic had Kareem. Shaq averaged 1 more point than Kobe during their run. Kobe also led the team in assists.
Plus shaq didnt win until he got with kobe and lakers ❤. Mad respect for shaq to speak up about kobe bryant .
Shaq dominated by far in the nba finals, though. Kobe was just a sidekick. The stats weren't close.
the thing is SHAQ was better than him on those teams
@@fermintroncoso4614 And Kareem wasn’t better than Magic through the majority of those rings. Kareem was the 5th leading scorer in LA when he won his last ring, yet you never hear ppl bring things like that up. Meanwhile Kobe had a finals series averaging 30
@@fermintroncoso4614 exactly! thats why he got the ball at the end of games!
5 Championships 7 Finals (3 peat, Repeat Without Top 75 player)
Beat Most 50 Win Teams All Time In NBA History!
3rd All-time Leading Scorer (Most All Time by a SG)
8,000+ Rebounds (Most All Time by a SG)
7,000+ Assist (3rd All Time by a SG)
6 60 Point Games (2nd Most All Time)
26 50 Point Games (3rd Most All Time)
135 40 Point Games (3rd Most All Time)
36 20-point Quarters
600+ Points in 3 Consecutive Playoffs (Most all Time)
15 All NBA Teams
12 Time Defensive Teams
11 Time All-NBA First Teams
18 Time All Star
Slam Dunk Champion (At Age 18) Youngest All Time!
2-0 Team USA Record!
Kobe Should Definitely be in the Top 3 All Time conversation.
Tim Duncan better
Lebron, Kareem , KARL MALONE then kobe in all time leading scorer.. my only rebuttal lol
@@dochudson9393No. Duncan never repeated & Kobe beat him more in the playoffs than Tim beat him.
@@livinginadarkworld2808Karl Malone liked little girls and put up empty stats. He never won anything so it’s not even close between him and Kobe. Kareem played with 2 of the greatest PGs of all time (Magic and Big O) which helped him a lot. He doesn’t win in LA without Magic running the show. And Bron needed all the help in the world to win.
5 rings, Robert Horry got 7 rings
How people forget… Kobe is my goat
Funny how ex-players will always have Kobe on the GOAT discussion, but analysts who didn't play NBA-ball don't lol
*Ppl always bring up his 3 with Shaq but never his 2 without another superstar (Pau is not a superstar). Kobe def demands the respect for the 2 that he won.*
*Media constantly sh!t on one to elevate the other. Nasty business.*
Pau going to the HOF.. he was a walking 20/10 guy when he played with Kobe
Paul was definitely a superstar are you kidding Kobe and Paul in there was a crazy 1 2 punch.
@@Willworld.still wasn’t a superstar he elevated his game BECAUSE he was playing with Kobe
They Hate Kobe bra that’s all they will bring say anything to bring that man down
@@Willworld.pau never average 20
The media wants to use that Kobe had Shaq to win 3 chips. But they don't say Lebrik had Wade, Bosh, Allen, and Irvin. Lol
And AD
The difference is lebron won all the mvps bozo and kobe didn’t win not 1 with shaq.. period
@kobe24j It’s hard to take you seriously given your account name. Being real with you it’s called HAVING a team. Shaq during those periods was the most dominant player on the team, during lebrons stints on different teams, he was always the best player or as of late the most efficient player. Not to mention there has never been a period in lebrons career where he just was getting bounced out and not making it to the playoffs
@@JohnKing-jz9zb those mvps are subjective tho they got sas a vote lol I love bron but he don’t have that mamba mentality
Bron was always the best player on his team that’s y he got 4 finals MVPs, Kobe was 2nd best on his team. Can’t b In the debate with 1 mvp also
Real ones know Kobe is in that conversation. The media doesn’t want to agree with it because they don’t like Kobe. We all know the reasoning behind it. To me he’s the 2nd greatest player of all time right behind MJ. To respond to what SAS said about winning 3 with Shaq, he wouldn’t have won 3 without Kobe. PERIOD.
I have Kobe #2 on my list.
• Beat the most 50+ win teams in NBA history
• Second most points scored in a single game NBA history, First most in the modern era.
• Oldest player to score 60+
• 3rd most consecutive 50+ point games in NBA history
• 2nd most All-NBA First Team honors won (tied with Malone)
• Most All-NBA Team honors won by a guard
• Most All-NBA First Team honors won by a guard
• 2nd most All-Defensive Team honors won
• Most All-Defensive First Team honors won (tied with Mike, GP, KG)
• Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years
• Oldest player to record back-to-back games of 40+ points and 10+ assists
• Carried Olympic team to a gold medal
• 5x NBA Champion on a three-peat
• Dragged a squad with no other superstar/top 75 to repeat
• 2x Finals MVP
• 1x MVP
• 2x Scoring Champ
• 9x All-Defense First
• 3x All-NBA Second
• 18x NBA All Star
Kobe is also 1 of only 6 players to win back-to-back Finals MVP (2peat). Kobe did this in one of the most competitive conference in history.
He was also the 1A/1B option on the most recent 3peat team (only five 3peats in NBA history).
4th in scoring all time, 16th in steals, 33rd in assists, 115th in rebounds.
Lead the 2000's with the most points scored in the decade and the highest scoring average of the decade.
Lead the decade in all-star selections, all-nba selections, all-nba defensive selections.
Made 6 finals, won 4.
He also had 10 50 point games in the 2006-2007 season alone. He also scored 60-50-65-50 in consecutive games.
In 2003 he scored 40+ in 9 straight games. Outscored the Dallas Mavericks 62-61 by himself after 3 quarters, sat the 4th; he was easily on his way to 80 that game. Didn't matter, he hit 80 soon after.
He did all that and scored 35.1ppg on a team that only averaged 96ppg a game as a team and he did so in the slowest paced era and lowest scoring era in league history.
Furthermore, he famously played through injuries to his own detriment which meant many of his scoring feats were done while injured. He won an NBA title and won FMVP with a broken finger taped to the opposing finger on his shooting hand. He also took on the opposing teams best player as often as he could on defense which is probably why many people think he wasn't as good defensively as he actually was.
Simply the greatest difficult shot taker and maker in NBA history which makes the fact that virtually every year of his prime he shot above league average even more remarkable.
He would have rewritten the modern scoring record books if he had the freedom on offense current players enjoy.
He does I’m so tired of them not talking about Kobe
He doesn't
Kobe's greatness needs no validation. To me MJ, Kobe. Beyond stats and numbers. #mambaforever
Thank You.
Facts bro
Facts
That might be your personal opinion, but you have to factor in Numbers, Accolades and Stats when discussing the goat debate. Kobe is not on the Level that Bron or Kareem is when you factor all that in
Tim Duncan is better than Kobe. Can’t believe y’all just word him out but bring Kobe in it. The bias with you people are insane.
KOBE played with Shaq
Lebron played with dwade , Chris Bosh , Kyrie , ray allen , Anthony Davis , Kevin love , Carlos boozer, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard , Rondo etc . List goes on .. I’m tired 😂
Shaq is a top 10 player all time and is the most dominant player ever. No one who you lists crack top 10. You give Bron a prime shaq that’s 6 rings.
I’m tired of people like you using the number of players LBJ played with as a metric against him. You have to give context not just a list of players. Now tell me.. How many years did he play with those players and what quality/how good was that player. Were they in their prime years or just along for the ride as a role player for a chip. You see now. Like we can say that MJ played with only Pippen. However, he played with Pippen for 10 YEARS OVERLAPPING THEIR PRIMES. like we get it, LBJ played with good players but ffs, he didn’t get 10 years of prime wade or prime Irving, etc. get my point? Give context please don’t just say ish to diminish or paint a false narrative. That’s manipulation. Give LBJ 8 seasons of prime Shaq like Kobe had. Pretty sure he has as much success as Kobe did with Shaq, etc
Kobe Bryant played with Shaquille O'Neal, Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Karl Malone, Glen Rice, Mitch Richmond, Dennis Rodman
@@StephonAllen-dn2uw okay cool. Now let’s be realistic and stop acting ignorant. Kobe played with prime Shaq and Gasol. Lebron played with prime dwade, Chris Bosh, kyrie, Kevin love, anthony Davis and Russel Westbrook. Not even a debate. We not talking aging stars like Karl Malone who average 13 points and retire with injuries that same year he played with Kobe lol. Got to use context with some you dudes cause y’all be lying Lol.
@@StephonAllen-dn2uw
Nick van excel Kobe was straight out high school on the bench for the first 2 years.
Eddie jones - are you serious he got traded before Kobe came to be🤣
Paul Gasol- is legit on the last two rings
Dwight Howard - Kobe didn’t ask for him he sent him packing he didn’t have work ethic .he was injured .
Karl Malone Gary Payton was old and injured .
Glen rice - Kobe was a kid not getting playing time .same with Mitch Richmond etc .
Nice try Lebron had all those guys in his prome
SAS double talk so much he don’t even realize it
Stephen A smith’s hate for Kobe is ridiculous
Worst COMMENT EVER!! 🤡🤡🤡
Don't confuse hate with realism. LeBron fans do it all the time, and it's annoying.
It’s not hate it’s the truth. So pathetic whenever this generation gets told something they don’t like they just say they are hating🤣
Not hate its facts, Kobe barely top 5
you have no idea what you're talking about. Haha
Even without Shaq Kobe went to 3 straight finals with only one all star in Paul Gasol who’s also a HOFer but he averaged less than 20. Kobe won back to back chips. And even next to Shaq he was putting up Elite numbers.
He averaged 28, 25 & 30 during the regular seasons the years they 3 peat, that’s not someone riding coat tails or being carried. In the playoffs he averaged 21, 29 & 26 next to Shaq
Bron went and teamed up with the 2nd best SG in the league at the time and one of the best PF in bosh. And still barely won 2 after all the hype. That’s like prime Kobe leaving to team up with prime T Mac, Vince Carter & KG or something. Bron never won with only one all star. Kyrie & K Love were also all stars
Listen to how u sound...Kobe was a ball hog
With a supporting cast like D Fish, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, Trevor Ariza, Andrew Bynum
@@derekhayter4879yea & none of those players wasn’t good enough to make an all star team or all nba team
Kobes numbers dont reflect GOAT debate... He didnt average 20 until his 4th season, Shaq won all 3 finals MVPs, of the top 15 in points, he shot the lowest from the field of the top 15... Kobe wasnt first team all NBA until his 6th season... Kobe had 6 seasons under 20ppg... Lebron never had ONE season below 20...
Derek Fisher wasn't Kyrie odum wasn't Kevin love or Bosh
Bynum wasn't AD or Dwight Howard@@derekhayter4879
Whoever didn't know this before Shaq said it clearly doesn't know basketball. Like Buck said back in the day "I KNOW YOU GONNA LET ME SHINE AND GET MINE", give Kobe his credit. I've had my Kobe posters and merch since the Shaq and Kobe days and no one could tell me otherwise til this day Kobe's not the GOAT.
The Media disrespects Kobe so much
The Fact that he’s not in the Conversation is mad Disrespectful!!!
Kobe 🐐
Greatest of All Time
@@khawk1283
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
Stephen A said he has to take inconsideration that Kobe had Shaq. Well Lebron had D.Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving and Anthony Edwards. Please make it make sense?
Anthony Edwards?
LeBron had Anthony Edwards? 😂😂😂😂😂
Shaq was better than Kobe, that's why they are Shaqs rings, everyone you named that LeBron had and they still LeBron rings.
Oh they never mentioned that part these dudes on tv are jokes
Casual
The Kobe hate is crazy
Jay Williams says "Kobe has 36 game winners. 36 Game winners. Most by any NBA player🤫in NBA HISTORY"
I think Duncan and Kobe should definitely be in the conversation
No
duncan yes
kobe no
Tim Duncan? Stop
@@kingkyrie5140
5 championships
3 FMVP
2 MVP
Never missed the playoffs
Greatest player of his position and era
…and you talkin’ about “Stop”?!
@@WRNIIVIIII are we seriously gonna sit here and debate that Tim Duncan was a better basketball player than kobe or lebron James or MJ ? You talking about accolades I’m talking about skill on both ends of the floor
Last time I checked it’s a TEAM sport it’s just the HATE towards Kobe for me it’s like once he passed his past got erased put some RESPECT ON KOBE NAME!!!! #TeamMamba
i think its the opposite after he passed people are looking his career in rose tinted glasses
Nah even before he passed he media was still hating on him
nobody is hating on him and they tried to force him in more conversations after he died
Well he’s not on a podcast saying how great he was so ppl forget. Lebron reminds the world every time he’s at a mic how great he is 😂😂
Kobe never asked for his coaches to be fired or tried to blame them for his failures
What? Lol ..apparently u didn't know much about the late great Kobe...He clashed with Del Harris for not playing for not playing him, He got Mike Brown fired 10 games into the season, he was happy to see Phil Jackson leave the first time..
Lol u know nothing
He always had the ball and didn't pass. Why u didn't add that in?
@@hilamadventures4060 don’t forget he demanded to be traded to the bulls multiple times. And even had a game he refused to shoot because the media was talking about him taking all the shots. I love Kobe but saying he didn’t have his diva moments is just false.
@@rashaudcarter1574 Kobe so fortunate we didn’t have social media back then lol
The disrespect for Kobe is crazy af
10 year olds and the media are the only ones who don’t have Kobe in the Convo
Because Kobe called ESPN a bunch of idiots.
@@Kobe824-cz2wg He was proven to be right
No, Kobe is not considered to be top 3 or top 5 by a lot, he’s overrated by people who respect mentality the most
Anyone who has seen Jordan and Bryant play in real time know the whole debate is a joke and just done to get ratings and views and attention. The only people that back lames are gen z clowns and younger.
Incorrect.
The way SAS discredits Kobe being in the conversation is crazy. He has 5 rings. I remember as a kid whenever someone shot a fadeaway they’d say “Kobe”. No hate to Lebron but he’s 3rd on my list.
1) MJ
2) Kobe Bean
3) Lebron
Just my opinion…
it’s more than just rings if that’s the case Bill Russel is the GOAT
Missed me with that 🏀 🗑️
I got Kareem 3rd and Lebron either 4th or 5th
@@jbmlk True. Too many accolades for them all to list currently. I’m just going off where I was introduced to basketball (88-89).
@@JP-ks3kh You have a top 3 or Rushmore?
Magic and LeBron had super teams but they always get a pass... MJ is MJ... No debate there but to just dismiss Kobe? Nah
Been watching ESPN for 24 yrs. All of these 🤡 have fallen hard
I’m sick of people disrespecting Kobe like he wasn’t a dog on the court 😈
Nobody said he wasn’t just not the best to the play the game of basketball
Kobe Bryant is my goat. Had the pleasure of growing up watching him play and when he won the championships in 2009 and 2010 without Shaq, I was so happy for him. The Greatest Laker and the reason I became a Laker fan.
Same
Same
Who cares
@@jimmyconway6080 obviously you do since you commented genius
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
I’m One that feels that Lebron should NOT be in the GOAT Debate..Esp when Considering him Diminishes the Legacy of Others. Lebron is an All Time Great but Not Greater than MJ, Kareem, Magic, Kobe or Steph. To put Lebron Ahead of Any of them is Disrespectful.
Kobe stayed on the same team through good times and bad times
Stephen A Is LAUGHABLY WRONG 😂
How?? Kobe isn’t better than Jordan, Bron, Kareem or Magic that’s just facts..Kobe the only player y’all can say deserves to be in the goat conversation but will never say he’s the goat..Tell me htf does that even work lol
Kobe, West, Magic, Wilt, Duncan, Bird, all these guys should be in the goat conversation, not just MJ and Bron
Bron and MJ would cook ALL OF THEM
Kareem is the goat
@@JustTheFacts45Michael Beasley cooked Bron in a 1v1
Don't forget steph curry lol
@@JustTheFacts45wilt is literally superhuman and can play in any era. He's leaner than shaq but stronger and faster than lebron with the defense of giannis or KG. He's a cheat code and sometimes i wonder if hes the best basketball player ever when i see these topics. Like who can stop him and who cant he gaurd? It would have to be a small quick player.
Go to every team best player or players, they consider Kobe their goat. PLAYERS!! and media, like they know how to play, disrespect Kobe like he's not even a top 5. This is sad
You can’t say Kobe was the second coming of MJ and not put him in the conversation. What he did for the culture of basketball is almost unmatched.
But they never say Jordan had Pippen...or the first 5 years of Jordan couldn't make it to the playoffs until they got Phil Jackson
And LeBron had way more help😂
Nicca pippen ain’t no top 10 player of all time y’all Kobe fans be reaching like Fck embarrassing 😂
Lebron had more help than MJ... Wade is a better player than Pippen... Wade won a chip as the best player on Heat long before LeBron got there to form his superteam.
As for Kobe I love Kobe but he ain't MJ
If you're going to comment on a topic that you clearly don't know about, at least do some research first. Jordan never missed the playoffs
as a member of the Bulls. And the Bulls were already playing in the Eastern conference Finals the year before Phil Jackson took over as head
coach. Phil helped Jordan get past the Pistons and helped him to win titles. But Jordan had the Bulls on the precipice of greatness before Phil
took over as head coach. And even if your statement was true, that argument doesn't even make sense. Because Jordan was the one with the
decorated basketball resume from college to the NBA. By the time Phil arrived, the only thing left for Jordan to win as a basketball player was a
title and a finals MVP. Jordan had quite literally accomplished everything else. Phil on the other hand, built his legacy coaching MJ. Just as Scottie
Pippen built his legacy playing with Jordan. Before Jordan, neither Phil nor Pippen had a basketball resume to speak of. With Jordan, Pippen
became a top 75 all time player. Without Jordan, the casual fan wouldn't know who Pippen was. Without Pippen, Jordan is still a top 75 all time
player, but with possibly fewer rings.
It's all about the narratives. And if you repeat a narrative enough times it becomes reality in peoples mind...Kobe the Goat.
Shaq is absolutely correct on this ☝🏾
No he isn’t
Did Stephen A almost say "late great" Kareem Abdul Jabbar 😂😂
I was looking for this commentto make sureit wasn't my imagination 😂
So much conversation about conversation
To be honest, NOBODY deserves to be in the G.O.A.T debate... Jordan is already cemented
😂facts
LeBron is 2nd all time at worst and 1st all time at best. Same for MJ.
@@fearlesskingdom4051 MJ is 1st at worst. LeBron is 2nd at best and 7th at worst. There's no argument for LeBron > MJ
Kobe was better than MJ.
@@anonymouse6856 Sure there are. Longevity for one. Not saying you have to agree, but there are certainly arguments to be made.
You can’t have a losing record in the finals and be the goat
Doesnt make any sense, cause that means the other players got bounced before the finals which is worse. If you a hater just say that. We measure players by their won championships not their finals record, cause you would make yourself look silly
@@kjjr3270if this was high school lebron would’ve failed
@@kjjr3270the other players weren't playing in an historically weak conference with 2 other stars. Lebron being in the finals only once in the west and winning after a 3 month break says a lot.
@@kjjr3270 I said what I said
@@NoMansLand24They never want to have this conversation about the finals record🤣🤣🤣
Thank you JAY WILL!
From 02--010, Kobe should've had more mvps, and was called the best player in the world by Shaq and played like it within that era
Kobe is the most skilled basketball player to ever play.
He may not be the most accomplished, the strongest, the fastest, etc.. but because of his mastery of the sport yes he is in the GOAT debate.
When ranked by NBA players, they ranked Kobe firmly in 3th spot. There's a reason as why he's that high and it's because of his attributes.
Skip To My Lou had more skill
He was second fiddle to shaq... so no.
"Most skilled" is definitely a reach.. And I love Kobe
U can’t have 2 fmvps out of 5 chips and have only 1 mvp and think your in the goat debate not over Duncan in my opinion
Jordan was more skilled than Kobe in every area inside the three point line.
Kobe’s name will always be brought up when having a debate about the goat and that’s all it matters
Athletic top 10 best NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Bill Russell
5. Magic Johnson
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Larry Bird
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Tim Duncan
10. Kobe Bryant
Athletic has Kobe Bryant #10 all time
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.6%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 40,446✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 33,643
LeBron 1st all time points
Kobe 1st all time missed shots
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time)
Kobe 1,827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,270✔️ (8th all time)
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 1,110✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time)
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings
2011 NBA playoffs
Mavericks 4 Lakers 0
Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series
LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
Y'all worship a accused R apist Kobe
Mj and Kobe are the two greatest players of all of time I stand on that
Stephen A says Kobe had Shaq like LeBron didn't build a team he said would win "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"... Y'all hate when we hold LeBron to his words, that shows me what type of people y'all are in life. For him to only get TWO and they couldn't stay together has to be a TREMENDOUS FAIL!
He said Shaq and Kobe couldn't stay together and yet LeBron and Kyrie couldn't stay together... LeBron and AD bout to split now with BARELY a ring!
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, 5 WITH ONE TEAM AND THREE WITH SHAQ AND TWO BACK TO BACK IS BETTER THAN 4 WITH DIFFERENT TEAMS AND ALL STAR TEAMS! You can have all the stats in the world BUT YOU DON'T HAVE IT WHERE IT MATTERS! 5-2 IS BETTER THAN 4-6! PERIOD!
Stephen a smith brings up kobe having Shaq, YET any time he makes his top 10 list, he has Magic over Kobe... Did we forget Magic had Kareem , same way Lebron had Kyrie?
SAS needs to stop mentioning bean
Kobe AND Kareem should be in the GOAT conversation. Although Jordan is the undisputed GOAT
Kobe doesn't belong
@@wangtang12 really? Not going to back that up with even one reason? Lazy lol
@@Sam-db4mr he can't be the goat if he's not the greatest at his position
That court case really screwed Kobe's career in some aspects. That 3/4 year period where the media and sponsors didn't f with him would have been a completely different discussion had that never happened. He probably does beat out Nash for the MVP. He probably doesn't get more help instead of the absolutely garbage that he had.
If Kobe wasn't the greatest at his own position then how can he be in the GOAT convo ???
How many times ur gonna ask that??
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@@z-mane1438 do you not have a strong enough response?
Because he is only behind the greatest player ever which makes him second greatest
@@olaf6529 don’t need one
I love the fact that Shaq is showing Kobe love. Like, anyone that watched that Lakers era knew about the beef that went on, so Shaq and Kobe patching things up later on and Shaq continuing the love is sadly wholesome.
Kobe Belongs in the conversation
If Kobe plays like Jordan..how is Kobe not second?
If you look up the definition of GOAT- it’s go show Michael Jordan face 🤣🤣
I think you got him confused with Wayne Gretzky
How do you lose more than you win and still get to be 2nd all time
Good question!
Exactly
How do you only have one MVP and think you deserve to be in the goat debate? Also 5 of lebron 6 finals losses came to 2 teams the spurs and warriors who are two of the greatest dynasties in NBA history.
@@daquaylenavie3740 you know why Kobe and Jordan are better they stopped dynasties from happening and created their own dynasty while y’all make excuses for Bron
So then do you have bill Russel #1? He has 11 titles in 12 years. I'm gonna assume you don't yet you hold rings as a way to discredit lebron
Shaq has become like the guardian of Kobe’s legacy
Ever since kobe passed the disrespect has been at an all time high 💯 shaq is right , you can’t even have a goat conversation without bringing up Kobe and it’s blasphemy that the media does this to him, god rest his soul😤🤞
He’s the only player that was closest to MJ, but he’s not considered in the debate?
Style wise maybe. But Jordan was never a sidekick
mike was never a sidekick
Kobe was Diet MJ. It’s not the same
It makes no sense, how they debate this.
Closest in terms of play style, but he was not close as a player. I can’t believe I’m explaining this.
This Goat stuff is getting tiresome...
I can respect what Jwill said but Stephen A smith doesn’t make valid points, he mentions Kobe had Shaq but then goes on to mention Magic & Kareem didn’t they have eachother for 5 of their rings, Kareem also won his other one with Oscar Roberson another all time top 15 player, not to mention all the multiple of superstars Lebron has played with at the same time, then goes on to say the last 4-5 years of his career he missed the playoffs which isn’t true it was the last 3 years and 2 of those years Kobe didn’t even play due to injury. And Kobe has more impact on winning than lebron, playing in the much harder conference beating more 50+ win teams with only one other all star, I could respect Steven a’s opinion more if he actually stated facts
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
Jordan way better player then Kobe
Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
there was also one Laker who was able to block Sky Hook and did few times, Wilt Chamberlain
How about Tim Duncan if Kobe is in it????
Nobody thinks either is the goat let's be real
Kobe should be in conversation
I have Kobe before Lebron in the GOAT convo, i have MJ #1
People tend to dislike LeBron because they feel he talks a lot but delivers less than expected, and often refers to himself, no one should call himself "GOAT".
This obsession this community has over who the best basketball player is. They seem to have this conversation once per week.
It’s an American thing and honestly it’s pathetic
@@tbd3058 **black American thing
So who was helping bron in Miami wasn't that wade a superstar .
And in Cleveland: Kyrie. LA: Davis.
Yup. D wade. The greatest 3rd shooting guard ever..
Lmfao Shaq is the most dominant player ever, you give Bron shaq that’s 6-7 rings.
This Kobe slander is crazy 😂😂😂😂😂
We don’t need to debate they all are great players
Kobe had Shaq. Lebron had D Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, KCP, and Rajon Rondo.
Tell this to Steven A smith and Sportscenter
@@Aphrodite23241 I'd crush Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe simultaneously in a GOAT debate...WITH VIDEO!
Are any of those players better than shaq?
Kobe had, Dwight Howard in his prime, Steve Nash, pau gasol , Lamar, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest, Derick Fisher, Julius Randal, Brandon Ingram, nick young, D Russell, Ty lue
@@isaiaheto799 none of those guys were in there prime you just listed besides maybe Howard and he wasn't the same player in LA with his back problems which made him never the same again and his career ended in mediocre, comparing those trash players to Brons help is bs
I agree. I've always said he belongs there. I was so shocked when Kobe died and so many people argued that he wasn't and has never been in the goat conversation..
If Kobe and Gigi were still here, Kobe wouldn't care...
His focus will be on Gigi being the one in the GOAT conversation
Stephen A of course is smoking we all know Kobe is in the conversation man straight delusional on this segment
Kobe hasn’t been in that conversation for a long time and rightfully so