Get 20% OFF + Free Shipping @Manscaped with code DONG20 at → mnscpd.com/dong Your balls will thank you Something that got left out of the video but I wanted to mention. KR fans actually crowdfund gifts for their favorite players. Basically, there are sites that have people create a gofundme type of page to be able to give their favorite players a birthday gift or write messages like "We love you" on those big public advertising billboards. Just as there are super negative people, there are also super positive ones in KR as well.
Maybe i'm a psychopath but i really enjoy when people go full mental . I was playing mainly to hit master and then quit the game so when i was losing lp i was kinda mad. But when i knew game was lost i just tried to find a really tilted guy and speaks to him. What they say is so hilarious and creative . I'm not talking about the '' get c '' or '' h yourself '' or '' you're dogshit noob trash '' or '' ff 15 trash '' etc etc .... it's really boring. But when they get creative and start saying '' go find the tallest building town in your city '' or '' i'll hire hitman 10k euro to kill your familiy watch your doorstep '' It is so funnnny SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO funnnyy . And it made up for the lp i lost . Because i had fun. And you find these psycho a lot between 1 AM and 5 AM so yeah. Now i reached master and stopped playing league since 1 month and focus on IRL stuf . I advise you to do the same after you reach your dream elo.
I've once met a Korean player on a game and became friends, he told me about his school life and how his teacher kept telling him he's a failure even if he finds a tiny bit of success. He later said he wanted to quit school cause of the stress and depression from all the high expectations people give him. Till this day I feel bad for him and wish him the best, I haven't spoken to him for a few years but I hope he's doing well.
@@npcimknot958 still I have not heard a school boy shoot all his class, because he was in mental illnes in Korea,sometime I really wonderd how white people think Asians people have huge social pressure and they have a lot off depression,and white people have all the care and facilities to care off mental health still I saw mass murders in school in western countries
My mom was a model Korean student (attended either the first or second best women’s university at the time), and some of the things she tells me are just wild. Literally just the other week, she legit had one of those nightmares about having to retake the suneung. The 1st thing that dream-mom said/thought wasn’t even “what that’s bullshit” or something, it was “wait, I haven’t studied.” When I ask her about what hobbies she had, she said she never had any because any free time she had was reserved for sleeping. It was bad enough that when she finally got into that really prestigious college she worked so damn hard for, she didn’t even pick her own major, she just did the one her dad told her to: HOME EC. Apparently he wasn’t even that strict on my mom becoming a housewife or anything, she just didn’t have anything else that interested her. I’ll also never forget that time when I was in like elementary school or something & I asked my mom what grades/test scores she’d gotten as a kid. “Idk, but I was ranked X in my class.” For whatever reason that just shook my American ass down to the core.
it is similar here in turkey, it is not nearly as extreme as korea, but we still have that yearly exam and people bust their asses off, i was not done with scool till 10 or so, but i slept.
I remember reading once that Japanese companies often hired an American to give feedback. Just to say shit like “The fuck, this is a dumbass idea” or “No that’s not gonna work” because the workers weren’t allowed to talk back to the boss or even just correct mistakes. Kinda reflects how toxic the work culture is in Asian countries when absolute subordination to bosses prevents any kind of feedback, that could potentially actually improve the company, from happening.
East Asia* the other Asian regions don't have this problem atleast not as badly nor as wide spread I can only attest to my country a specifically but work forces here are usually close enough that a subordinate will be asked by their boss for their opinion because they are usually friends
@@aidanspence1178 Philippines people here as a work force are generally close and tight knit enough to be comfortable with each other though this is mostly for local owned small businesses I am unsure of bigger ones
I've taught in Korean private schools for the past decade, and the difference between my students there and the students in public schools is... terrifying? It's almost like teaching two different nationalities, even though both groups are nearly 100% Korean. The private school students have so much more energy and life, and because these schools are so incredibly expensive, almost all of the kids are from rich families, and typically move on to bigger and better things than their public school counterparts. The curriculum at the school also contributes, being typically 2-3 years ahead of the public schools. My current school even has a counselor on staff, available to both teachers and students. If only every school here could follow suit, things would improve so, so much.
@@SpringNotes The curriculum is part of it, but I'd say the much smaller class sizes, availability of a counselor, and diverse staff play the biggest role. Bullying is also cracked down on a hell of a lot harder.
Those who do well in school are also those with higher iq. To get rich in sk you need High intelligence which the parents have. Iq is hereditary so the children inherit the higher intelligence and can thereofe learn things quicker at school.
@@testtestsson4927 Please don't talk about things you clearly have no clue about. That was such a load of nonsense I'm actually concerned. Don't talk about IQ when you can't even spell therefore. IQ is an incredibly complicated trait that is influenced LARGELY by BOTH environmental AND genetic factors. Also it's just factually incorrect that all or even most rich families would have larger IQ's. Especially in a country that developed so quickly, the super rich could've been people who just were in the right place or capitalised on opportunities quickly all of which are things that are not attributed to having a high IQ. For the love of god take a statistics or science class and learn what scientific/mathematical literacy is.
I was born and raised in NZ but I went to school in Korea for a year because one of my relatives died. Could argue that it was one of the worst experiences of my life.
@@TheArtkaw they look the other way until the bullied fights back.. that's the case in schools all over the world.. you stand up to bullies you get punished. but bullies got free reign. that's how capitalism training works.
@@lordblazer wtf are you talking about lmao, this isnt an anime, if you get buillied and they dont care, they wont care when you fight back either unless you do something really bad
Lmao, I'm a Korean myself and I feel like people sugarcoat Korean culture too much like, literally all the time, great vid, need more of these kind of things to let everyone know that Korea ain't that great of a place to live permanently, though I guess it's a decent place to pay a visit once in awhile.
Its not just a Korea thing but rather a ton of Asian countries, people sugar coat Japan like its the best and its a really depressive country with a overall quite disgusting culture, and the globalization doesnt help, since now anime and in Korea case k-pop and culture in general people get obsesed without really knowing the full picture of the country and just watch the good parts.
As someone who plays league, has a personal interest in Korean culture and pop culture, and has a Korean boyfriend…. This was a really well-made video. It touched on the complex nature and causes of toxicity in league. My boyfriend and I play league together, but he really does play to win. So it’s hard to have fun playing with each other. League eventually has become more stressful and less stress-relieving honestly. We’re taking a break from LoL together atm.
I like how NA is basically the opposite when it comes to surrendering your team can be 0 and 30 but they will continue farming just to lose in 25 min instead of 15
that and also games in NA can go on surprisingly long. you can see why korea holds to the idea of early open mid: winning early game but then getting buttfucked late game just because they have the better champs or just so managed to get elder or baron feels unfair at times.
But it's also true that people throw all the fcking time. In euw i rarely happen to see people surrender at 20+ almost never at 15. I had many games where i was snowballing hard on my main and oneshotting evrybody but yet enemy team didn't surrender.
@@OG_ALviK even if you one shot everyone, you can get killed and the ennemy comeback, i remember once my team wanted to surrender because they were losing really hard and began to be toxic, me and another were not losing to much so we said no to surrender, in the end we won the game even tho 3 people kinda gave up. Some team comps are unwinnable, but its rare so i try to never surrender, always win, and never be toxic. Rn i dont play much league pc but im diamond on wild rift with this mindset.
@@OG_ALviK This is just a product of NA culture. Were told to idolize underdog story's and the idea of coming from a deficit yet still succeeding. NA will never open a game cause everyone wants to be different rather than conform like in South Korea. If 4 ppl vote no their will always be one guy getting off at the fact of holding his team hostage.
This was really interesting. Gave a lot of insight as to what causes people to be toxic, and while it's not an excuse, it's an explanation. Great video man.
As a korean guy myself, I have convinced myself in all the right reasons to not play League at all and knowing that my mother country is the number one country for suicide, speaks a lot about the mental health of the people living in a toxic culture. The studying culture there inflicts a self-superiority complex on each individual.
As an estonian (we had one of the highest scores at PISA in the entire world) it is absolutely insane to think about thatkoreans are at school 14 hours a day. You need breaks in order to make yourself ready to absorb more information. Korean learning system is like slowly killing yourself.
Normally I would disagree , I encourage losing sleep and risking your mental health to achieve a better life , after all its 3 years of high school and 4 years of college that determine everything . But looking back at this video it seems that culture continues till you become a boss with barely any escape route . However , even if it’s detrimental you gotta do what you gotta do to survive . What everyone should get from this video is the hard work put in compared to our own . We should take the good points of this culture and use it to advance our careers because we at least have a very pro capitalist economy that we can use to form our passions and make it . Every billionaire is a workaholic but they just know where and how to put these insane hours in and by being their own boss they can handle burnouts and not risk much .
I'm slightly stuck in this learning system (not in Korea, but other Southeast Asia countries) and I really realize the fun things in life in my first major entrance exam, which is kinda like the university exam explained in the video, but it's for high school and it's one time only, no retry. I was pressured by everyone in my class, extra class, parents, relatives, everyone just kept asking which school I'm gonna work for, which subject, my study routine, etc. I got dragged along and it wasn't until there was one month left until the exam that I took a break and just throw everything out of the window and try new things. I felt so damn happy about everything. It was meant a 1 week break but I extended it until the day before the day of the exam, which I crammed a bunch of stuff my memory is leaking out. The exam wasn't even that hard, which I only scored 0.75 lowers than the minimum requirement of the best school, which I'm extremely happy that I didn't ended up there since school has already started (as of 8/2) and I'm still out here messing around projects after projects. Sure I might not have better school quality or better chance at landing better university, which leads to better jobs, but in return I found the fun of finding actually fun stuff to learn and do. I always thought I'm gonna spend my future being a programmer because I got a bunch of accolades in computer science, but I found so much fun in art, music composing, modding and 3d animating during the break that even though I'm no good in any instrument that I might change my entire roadmap with that break. I found a bunch of new routine that helps me both inside and outside school. Who would have thought coding a lazy auto-export would help so much with file sharing? Clearly nobody around me did. A random model that you worked on last month can be used in a presentation that due next week? Hell yeah. I respect the learning system that all my friends are working hard using it everyday, but for me, a worse income but the actual job I wanted? I'm all in.
Yet look at South Korea and Estonia in comparison lol Estonia has almost as high suicide rate yet nowhere near the standard of living, the economy, the scientific output, the soft power cultureal exports of KPOP, Korean Movies and Manhwua alone are cementing South Korea as a pop culture beast, Korean food is found everywhere on the planet now.
@@debodatta7398 if you want to know why it is the way it is, you should check history. While yes we dont have kpop or very popular national food, it is still mindblowingly long amount of time that the students learn per day.
Tbh the parts WITHOUT League (Aside from the PC Cafes) were way more interesting. Donghuap should just do a complete switchover and talk about real, social issues within the gaming industry as a whole rather than focusing on League. I get that maybe he has sponsors or a "brand," but just as a longtime fan, this is definitely a step in a better direction when it comes to content. Then again, it seemed like a lot of research to do, so I get it if he can't. I just enjoyed this video a lot more than others
As a Canadian this is so hard for me to wrap my head around even though I grew up with lots of Korean friends through high school. They thought I was mad when I didn’t study for my S.A.T. When I asked one of my friends what she wanted to take in university her response was my parents want me to take business. When I said, no what do YOU want to take she looked at me like I had a third head. This is also sadly why their s--de rate is so high. Also the societal acceptance of verbal and physical abuse of people by in positions of power ie, teachers, bosses, etc, to those perceived as doing wrong.
just fyi, one difference may be that asian parents pay half or 100% of the university fees. My mom basically said: you can take whatever major you want, as long as you pay for it. I decided that student debt isn't worth choosing the major I somewhat want (my first choice aligns with hers so that wasn't a problem if I got into my first choice) basically a lot of the times we listen to our parents not just because they are our parents but they sunk in tens of thousands extra for our education. I prefer no debt than anything else
As a fellow Canadian, this video is unfortunately out of date. Korea now outranks both Canada and Finland on all the PISA ranking (math, reading, science). Most s--de in Korea is the elderly, LGBTQ or people with mental illnesses, not students. In fact, s--de among persons aged 15-19 is actually higher in Canada than Korea according to the WHO. Obviously schooling in Korea is extremely stressful, but the fact is that they have better educational outcomes and a lower student s--de rate than we do in Canada.
As a Korean who has grown up in western countries and Korea, I can safely say that I'm glad I got to grow up experiencing both sides since both society's have shit I never would want to deal with singlehandedly.
@@doransshield9176 My guess is the terrible work/life balance in Korea, and then in America the fact that you can get robbed and killed just for walking around through bad neighborhoods (Korea literally doesnt have that type of thing at all)
As a kid at boarding school who has tons of Korean friends now, many of which play league: yea. This is absolutely accurate. There’s this one guy that had his Gold IV acc permabanned because of the pure disgusting shit he said in /all. To be honest, he’s actually a really chill and considerate person to those around him that he even mildly has some sort of attachment to, and he’s even recently quit league because he realized how pointless and toxic it was. But I’ve played a few games with him and god was that a fuckin experience…
Having worked in several countries before, I'd still say japan/korea tops the list for most unbearable societies in the world to work and live in. Which is rather ironic since these are some of the world's best places to visit as tourists. China vietnam and singapore are much much less toxic to work in. In fact I was kinda surprised with china despite all the negativity about it, people were a lot more westernised in thinking
Yeah I haven’t even watched the vid, but who’s surprised by the title tbh. Asian countries all have harsh cultures, societal pressures. Japan, China, KR, whatever man.
If I made post about this on reddit, I would've been either banned by mods or called RACIST and being downvoted to hell. We needed someone with authority to tell harsh truth. Perfect video Dong!
Don't take it personal buddy, the league subreddit mods are a bunch of donkeys, jerking each other off about how cool they are because they have the power over such a subreddit.
Ive had two korean bosses(male boomers). Every single time, they want things “fast”, ven though it doesn’t need to be fast, and yet a receive constant follow up. They literally say, faster is better. But eventually we make mistakes and missed opportunities to reflect on better strategies, making things much slower if not broken. Im in academia. I resigned because what the hell am i doing here. Im not writing so much low quality papers just because my boss wants them as many as possible. Its only me perpetuating a broken management. Theyre so anxious all the time and like, gloomy, and it leaks to the lower ranked positions.
to expand on the PC Room mentality in philippines. basically, the opposite. we sometimes open, mostly trashtalk, but NEVER ff. they say it's because of the mentality "I'm paying for my PC time, I don't wanna waste this game" cuz usually have loaded 1-3 hours of PC time. so the time must be used in playing the game
@andrzejwilk7316 I have observed a low performer in an average school in shanghai, being a friend of his somewhat. In a top150 UK school he slept in class for a year and got 3rd in the finals. Apparently that school already prelearns all the way to pre-u at year 7
Also in Korean Entertainment Industry, it's basically a prison; especially for the small/nugu groups and how they're being treated by their companies. It's so heartbreaking how these people are going through, plunging in debt while not ensured of a succesful debut PLUS excessive criticisms from Knetz which are the reason for developing anxiety, eating disorders and stuffs. SM entertainment before was one example of neglect or unfair treatment of their members just for the show (Jonghyun from SHINee, C-Line in EXO, C-Line in NCT, Jessica from SNSD) etc.
Im a korean and actually I agree with all the things in this videos. All the things are true though cant lie and korean study time is way different. Even if you study hard and get all 100 on your test you still be 40/200 students. Korean get so much stress and I think this is one of the reason korean act like this like me as well
I am from Finland and I don't know how I could handle the school system in South Korea... it feels really stressful to even think about how much more work you do for studies.
@@dpswm1 Imagine kpop stars working to the point of exhaustion then their fans praises korean culture without knowing a single thing about it. This stuff is commonly seen btw, same thing with japan.
As a Korean myself, I approve this documentary. Well delivered about some of the ongoing issues in Korean culture. As portrayed in game community, following the "meta" is deeply rooted in their minds, making them believe this is the only way to earn victory, and that is where all the drama starts. Haha. Of course, not everyone behaves in such manner, however, I have to agree majority acts in this manner. Funny part is, everyone believes that they are "pro" and above you. Unfortunately, this behavior does not only apply in game but also in their life as well. Always believing whatever the popular "trend" is, they must follow, and very stubborn that they are right. (There are more I would like to share in detail, but tiredsome to explain more in detail. Also forgive me if I have not explained in proper manner. Poor brain capacity.) Anyways, what I wanted to say is thank you for getting it out there. These have to be shared, so we can come to a proper understanding of each culture. Not to tackle or point fingers but I turly hope to come to an understanding how we can approach and properly manage these issues in step by step manner. :) Now let us play some Leaugue of Legends.
You are so right on this. Most Korean players I meet online in-game are so arrogant. They always think they are much better than you and they know everything, not only that, everything you do is wrong. Many of them are also very brain-dead in thinking that the "meta" is the only way to play instead of trying things that makes sense, it's like they don't have a thinking brain.
I taught English in Korea at a hagwon (private tutoring) The last private school class ended at 10pm by law I met a Korean guy who used to be an English tutor. He told me that before this 10 pm law, students would literally be tutored until 1/2am, then go home, do homework, wake up and go to school The law was put in place about 10 years ago meaning this safeguard was not in place before and kids maybe had 3-4 hours of sleep during weekdays!
And the thing is, we go to a 24 hour cafe and study there after 10pm. We have no other choice, it's the only thing we can do to survive unless we are gifted.
Yeah Koreans are extremely prideful so they would rather lose on their own terms and bring everyone with them if it meant not having to play at a disadvantage. You hit the nail on the head this entire video and I felt it was well informed. Good stuff dong huap
i really love how this video not only hit the Korean culture but also the Asian culture as well. As a filipino, I can't say I can relate to how much stress and mental issues korean people face but I've gotten my own share as well. Despite living in the US and going to school here, it is still a necessity to always get straight A's every quarter, get 100 on every quiz and test, get a high score on the SAT and go to a high end university. On moments that i would feel depressed or mentally exhausted from the stress, I would hide it because it is looked down upon like your some weak, crazy and lazy person just trying to find an excuse to not be in school. I am still thankful for my mother understanding me and my brother. As of typing this, i am currently in a community college doing a Nursing major (i know right, a filipino would of course do nursing) and soon doing my bachelors. I feel less stressed and more willing to do things that i love to do. If ur going through hard times, pls take some rest and time off. Do what u love to do. Relaxing should not be a reward but as a normal, everyday thing that we should all do. We are human beings, not robots. Always prioritize ur well being and as well as others around u. May u achieve peace and happiness now and in the coming future.
As a Korean myself, it's kinda strange that some foreigners convinced me into telling me the 'truth' about our culture, but I find it somewhat strangely accurate than it sounded in the first place. I'm one of the guys who went through Sooneung with good results and succeeded with being accepted to a quality university in Seoul. Based on my experience until now, Korea is a society with little tolerance for error. It's not easy for anyone to recover from initial failure, but it's double the effort in Korea. Korean Parents emphasize on 'Getting good grades in school, Graduating from a Good University, Getting a job in a good company' which is considered the 'life standard.' They know that if you start in the wrong direction, it's really hard for you to get back on track. Of course the old confusianist lifestyle playes its role indirectly, becasue in the past the best lifestyle was passing the national test and serving the king himself. So Studying is the one and optimal solution for young koreans, and anything which gets in its way are tabooed by most parents - especially gaming. You don't have enough time to study more and get good grades. Why waste your precious time on such things? There comes the second problem - chiling out. In my perspective, Koreans (adult or adolescent) do not have enough venues to chill out and ventillate. Physical Education is highly neglected in korean education because studying is the one with the most importance. The only place for youngsters to chill out is these PC cafes cause they can't drink beer. It's hard to find amateur sports teams inside korea, and people simply don't know the importance of working out. So, if you're a person with low grades, a not good university degree, and not enough friends to hang out and drink, the internet is the only way out. The toxic lol community is filled with people who have nothing but lol. They do not know any other way except for League of Legends, so they overindulge. My 3 years in High school was like living hell, and I couldn't do much about it. The people are toxic because the SYSTEM IS TOXIC. Not the other way around. This leads to the toxic LOL community. Of course Riot Korea is not doing a good job in catching trollers. But for most Koreans, playing LOL is for WINNING, not enjoying. If you can't win, there's no point in doing so. They want to chill from this competitive, toxic society by succeeding, or WINNING in LOL. Playing META picks, getting the best item builds is only for one thing. TO WIN. If your game is ruinined in the laning phase, there's no chance of wnning, so they throw to quickly proceed to the next game. And finally, one last thing. The NS and Polt thing that you mentioned. The Korean and Western perspective differs very. The first reason that Koreans said no to NS and Polt being the T1 coach was that they had no expertise in LOL. Polt was a Starcraft II player until 2019. He had no expertise in the sport. NS was the first non-korean coach in LCK Challengers, but the results were poor. They could not understand why these coaches should coach one of the most prestigeous LOL clubs, when other good coaches like Danny or KKoma were on the market. Second was the Discrimination Issue concerning NS. When NS was coaching in a LCK challengers team called BBQ Olivers in 2018, there was a european jungler named "Malice'. He was very toxic in Korean Solo Que in Korean standards, who came up with racist comments which outraged Koreans - It's the Korean server, right? He called Koreans 'monkeys' and trolled Faker about his english pronounciation, and got into fights with the T1 top laner 'Untara', which led to Riot Korea banning him for 3 games with a fine. What NS did was to stand up for Malice, which was not acceptible for the Korean LOL community. The T1 community could not accept a figure who quarreled with their former Top laner while standing up for a racist. Korean LOL players didn't care if NS was LGBT or not. They simply wanted a coach who coould PRODUCE RESULTS. If NS had shown his qualities that he could 'WIN A TITLE', the fans would have loved it in the first place. That's the Korean mentality you mentioned. They can do EVERYTHING to win. And, regarding NS's grandma getting death threats, many Koreans didn't care about NS's grandmother's existence. He was not that big a figure in Korea after all. The comments were given with no actual proof at all. If there were no proof, how could we believe it in the first place?
I have worked with korean client before. They would sit behind you, see what you are doing everyday, 9 to 5. On my 2nd day, i had to ask him to give me my privacy, if not, i wouldt work with him behind my back.
@@zaini1388 That's the kind of mindset that typical koreans in their 40,50s have. They think that you should be always commited to your work in work hours, which obviously is NOT related to productivity. They kinda have this false stereotype that more time leads to more productivity.
You should directly say that the death threats are a lie, and eventually face the consequences of your position. Other than that, most of your arguments make sense. Most.
I remember in 2015 during Easter I visited Korea. I was 14 years old at the time. I went to a gaming cafe to play the game (Gold promos) and I met this 17 year old teen who I made friends with as we talked and he told me about how rough the Korean school system was and how I was so lucky to live in Australia. He told me that he played LoL to escape reality and feel something, whereas it was really just a hobby for me (that turned into an addiction in 2016, thank god I was able to escape in 2019). He even told me that one time he thought about suicide because of the pressure he faced. Thank god he seems to still be doing well
The first part explains why Korean Dota hasn't been as successful as League in global competition. In Dota, while the early game matters for sure, the adaptability to be able to prolong a game and reach a point where the late game is viable is why China, who also exhibit this same quality in the LPL, tend to excel.
No it does not. If you think it doss you are just connecting dots like a conspiracy theorist. Dots that have not even a correlation. Dota NEVER took off in Korea. And even then Korea had that one team in TI that reached top 8. Even with a tiny dota playerbase. Right now Apex Legends in Asia is like 80% japanes plaayers so a lot of orgs are japanese. But in the APAC north region. Guess what country dominates even though they got no dedicated served and a significantly smaller playerbase? South Korea. Back in Counter strike 1.6. There was a famous South Korean team that. Again. Even with low CS players Korea waa able to field a team that, while they were not a definite top team, was a clear threat whenever they went to international LANs. Korea just does good in games cuz mfs be like "fuck studying. fuck the 학원". I want to game and PC gaming is the only culture here due to PC방. If games like cs1.6/Dota/others had actually became a fad here and became popular. I can guarantee you Korea would be fielding in the best players consistently. The problem with Dota in KR is that it literally had no KR playerbase. The forced KR dota server died in literally a few months. Didn't even last a year cuz Valve were too late
@@r1ght_n0w I can't deny anything you just said, but I was just using the Dota example to explain why LPL, and by extension Chinese Dota, is stronger because of the adaptability. That's not to discount their mechanical ability, or talent in general, and I personally think that if the world was flipped and that Crossfire was the popular esport globally, then Korea would dominate, and even now we see that they had a respectable 3rd place finish in the VCT: Raykjavik.
@@reynoldkao2598 yeah though on a slightly unrelated note, valorant is legitimately dead in korea due to its early struggles in the country, so it's hard to see korea dominate the game at the moment.
@@r1ght_n0wTI 6 MVP got lucky than a real "level". They never win a Bo2 in group stage. OG drama lead to them choke really hard to MVP 2-1. After that Fnatic 2-0 MVP, Wings 2-0 MVP. MVP player never achieve anything later. PC culture is everywhere, I don't see why Korean is the expection. Only thing Korean player have advantage is internet. Compare to SEA and SA player. Compare to China dota ? well. They can go homeless for Dota.
Trust me ADHD wouldn't have hindered you too much academically. I got diagnosed with ADHD and I still perform well without Adderal etc... You just need to have enough pressure to realize if you don't succeed you will be at the mercy of some brain-dead jackass.
Thank you so much for making this. This makes me understand & realize why one from this place in the world could be so upset when losing a game & why one could be so angry in not just league but in games in general .
i mean its not the game itself, its the culture or korea and the pressure that gave it to him, if he was on another cultural server it probable wouldnt ve happened
@@rookeyji5177 Facts I quit league 2-3 years ago and my life got so much better. I still watch dong hua or pants are dragon from time to time since I've been watching them for many years.
@@rookeyji5177 i think all league player admit this game is shit especially the most addicted ones hell the most addicted ones are the most vocal regarding not getting involved in league
I love the different ways of how the kids with the lack of attention turn out w/ the different toxicity levels and you’ll start to notice how their cultures reflects their disposition in the game when they also apply the western culture mixed in-when they get confidence from winning their games.
I play on the Korean server. Actually, I learned to play on the Korean server. Me watching this is weird because I can see these issues but because I learned to play here, they don't feel like issues to me because I've been submerged in this toxic server since I arrived. When I visited my family in the US and played some league games, I made a few remarks in chat and the players called me "super toxic." which was strange, because what I said was like baseline for Korea, not even considered toxic.
So what ur saying is, you've become influenced by toxicity and now ur a very toxic person outside of Korea but when you act toxic in Korea ur just saying some average stuff?
I lived in Seoul for 5 years and can vouch it is a very difficult environment to thrive in. Mental health issues are indeed seen as a weakness and I always saw my coworkers trying their best to be push through despite being clearly overworked. Even my young students. :'( I thought I'd stay for most of my life but ended up leaving do to workplace culture. 13 hour work days for minimal pay and no overtime is exhausting. Not to mention the sexual harassment, hierarchical nature of companies, and the required drinking parties...
well people always forget that without any of these work Korea would be worse than Indonesia many people in Indonesia dont know what toilet looks like I mean very very poor
I live in cambogia and honestly I would kill to be born in Korea the frend of my cousin is half blind 1 of his eyes cant see because snake spit a venom in his eye when he try to catch a snake to sell it in restaurant because his family was very poor its a our side hustle pays very good but very dangerous I use to work in rise plantation to make some money even tho we considered rich in cambogia it still sucks healthcare is shit education is shit social help is shit many people have no electricity on water no nothing forget wifi hunger is big problem corruption in our country is out of the stratosphere many people work on 5 dollars a day while prime minister is wearing patek Philippe for 2 millions 250 dollars is pretty good salary so fuck off
@@allenk6373dozens of countries have all the upsides of South Korea without the ludicrous work rate (the ridiculous work hours don't actually help anything)
I haven't taken the Suneung personally, but I have taken something very similar if not harder, China's Gaokao. It's a test so bs that not a single perfect score has been archived like ever, and let me tell you, your passions, your aspirations, your emotions, and even your achievement outside academia doesn't matter in these kind of environment. You are judged base on that number, and that number alone. You can be the most toxic, awkward or socially inept kid out there, and you will be praised like the greatest student to ever lived in your district if you achieve a very high score. Some of the people I know still have the fear of failing this test even long into their career, and reflect on the preparation period like some sort of nightmare. Not that I disagree.
Here we also have an exam that is the same for the whole nation, taken at the end of high school. It also determines if you will make it to the university, some universities have their own small exams, but it's an add-on, like drawing exam, physical fitness exam, etc, if the university does need that. You also can only take it once a year, and if you fail you can't go to any university. But the minimum to say you passed is 30% ^^. And plenty of ppl get very high, close to perfect scores. You can get a perfect score with just an education you received in school. Obviously, it is still stressful, but none makes a big deal if you make some mistakes. So different. Strange how that works sometimes. And ppl do think that it makes you somehow a higher standing if you have higher education.
Thing is, those Gao kao type exam are kinda BS, because students that goes to the best private school will always have the best grade and the best uni, while the poorer students even if they are litteraly genius and scores high won't be able to pay the top university fees KEK
Then it's not exam that's BS, but the system of paying for education. Here we have the exam, but unies are free. I mean private one, where you have to pay do exist, but the best ones are the public ones. Private ones are thought to be for rich ppl who are to stupid to qualify for a public ones.
Hello fellow Canadian! This video is unfortunately out of date. Korea now outranks both Canada and Finland on all the PISA ranking (math, reading, science). Most suicides in Korea is the elderly, LGBTQ or people with mental illnesses, not students. In fact, suicide among persons aged 15-19 is actually higher in Canada than Korea according to the WHO. Obviously schooling in Korea is extremely stressful, but the fact is that they have better educational outcomes and a lower student suicide rate than we do in Canada.
@@braxhartman idk which stats youre looking at but canada has half of south koreas suicide rates, you likely looked at the north korean suicide rate stats. Education wise it does make sense for korea to be up there, as of late canadian education just hasnt been that great and passing grades are 50%. Doesn't help that most students barely try anymore unless they are actually aiming for a future that requires a specific degree but most people I know went to the trades route.
@@littypug The stats are from OECD CO4.4: Teenage suicides (15-19 years old). You'll find the table on page 2, showing that the youth suicide rate is 9.1 per 100,000 in Canada versus 7.1 per 100,000 in South Korea. The PISA assessment is a standardized test allowing us to compare different countries with different passing rates, and Korea presently outranks Canada in all categories (math, reading, and science). Keeping in mind that PISA assessments are of the same age cohort as the CO4.4 suicide statistics, it indicates Korea is achieving both superior academic performance and a lower youth suicide rate.
@@littypug Yes, the overall suicide rate is higher in SK, largely because of the elderly. Almost 40% of South Koreans over 65 live below the OECD's poverty line! It's very sad.
The work culture discussed at 23:00 onwards. Having to stay late even when there is no work.. having to go to parties and peer pressured into drinking with bosses.. OH MY GOD, why is it so similar to Meds School work culture in India! And I am glad someone is actually pointing it out that it indeed IS a TOXIC work culture to follow.. sad there isn’t an alternative in the near future though
"When you're n the Philippines, you get a whole bunch of people just screaming HAHAHA in all chat." Yep. I can vouch for that. We Filipinos are a happy bunch. Even our toxicity is laughter. Lol. That's why in League, I mostly just play ARAM and TFT. If you're in solo queue most of the players are just smurfing or beginners who rage quit after 15 mins of feeding. It's better to play with a friend then at least you'll have a higher chance of actually climbing up. The culture is really a big part of the toxicity in a region. The end of the video pretty much explains why the Korean server is like that. I truly hope in the future that their situation improves and that Riot Korea will be more active in controlling the level of toxicity.
I was wondering how the servers were like in Korea. I recently played a game with someone normally plays in Korean servers. He was lagging a bit and apologized letting us know he was from a dif server and someone asked why he was in NA server to begin with. Dude just said NA server is much better than Korean servers. I was confused.
I started crying after the human beings part. cause that's the school my cousin goes too. It's far away from his house but his mom has him go there. it made me cry cause i realized that my cousin doesn't have to go have as much of a problem in school as most of korea does.
I wouldn't be so quick to say that being a pro gamer is an escape from a regular job. Not only is it super competitive and therefore stressful, it also ruins your favorite game.
still better than having to, you know,study for like 8 years for your degree and even then thats not gonna guarantee a job. these pro players are barely 18 and is already set for life
I'm Australian but both my parents are Korean and it's really sad seeing Korea like this. I'm blessed to be born in Australia but I really feel for Korean.
This is sooooo stressful. In Kenya and am sure in many African countries we have the same culture as South Korea when it comes to taking a test that determines which university you will go into or whether you will even go to the university. I remember how stressed I was in my final year of high school. I got really ill in the first and second semesters which meant I didn’t study very well in preparation for the final exam. I never felt ready to sit for the finals. I hated high school tbh and would never want to back in time and go to high school again. Fuck school. The anxiety I faced to keep up grades and do better than fellow classmates which led to unhealthy competitions and an animosity between students is something I can never wish on my worst enemy. Then after all the hard work you put into performing well in school you’re not guaranteed a job. Fuck life lol.
am korean myself who played league a lot, i'll so happy that this is getting noticed (kinda small, but still happy) this is VERY serious issue needs to be addressed ASAP.
The extreme emphasis on education, especially the Korean SAT, is probably rooted from the GwaGeo system. GwaGeo was a test held by the government every year, which started all the way back in the year 700-ish and ended in 1894. It was a test to hire government official jobs and it was a way to up your social standing and standard of living. You could be a normal farmer boi and boom with a single test you can have all the honor, glory, and money of being a government official. As long as you weren't in the slave class, education was a single best thing that'd flip the class system. Mostly it was the noblemen who took the test since they were the ones who can afford studying night and days without having to work. But there were studies showing that lowest of 16% to highest of 50% of the people who were hired from the test were commoners. So as a Korean myself, I think there's a deeply engrained cultural belief that the education is the only way and the most effective way we can flip our social standing.
As someone who has been a frequent viewer of Cowsep's videos on youtube and occasional watcher of his streams it was really interesting and enlightening to see him so heavily featured in this video. I hope things are going better for him now.
@@gehee6781 where's the video on NA Toxicity and where is the video on RIOT who creates the Toxicity on purpose with fixed matchmaking? Why is NA the worst region? Where is the video about NA denying access for homegrown talent like 5fire? Want more? NA region is the worst region.
I feel that the biggest issue with South Korea, and Asian cultures in general, is not simply the bad aspects of the culture that stick out, but that speaking up and seeking change itself is discouraged. Up until very recently physical punishment in schools was supported by law in Japan, and even to this day it is a core part of their school culture. Korea had a similar culture and probably even leans more heavily towards screaming at kids like they are marines. The North America, Europe, Australia and even Latin America, all have a lot of flaws, some more than others, different issues to tackle, different cultures, but in every single one of these speaking up about your issues and seeking change is ENCOURAGED at all levels. Yes there are always micro-cosmos where a company culture or boss can shut you down, but you have plenty of recourse for escalation and you are not shamed for trying. But in Asia, S. Korea included, the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. You MUST fit in. Trying to change the system is not seeing as a genuine desire to improve the system, but an attempt at breaking it. Any meaningful change must always come from top-down, however, how can you expect people that lived their entire lives in a particular system and topped it, to seek changing that same system?
Great video! I really enjoyed the fact, how Cowsep, person from both American and Korean cultures explained everything. And, mostly respect for the explaining not only the "game behaver", but also what happens out side of the PC, how the real life affects us.
For me personally, this is my opinion. Living in korea is actually pretty damn nice cuz it's a very developed futuristic place. Obviously life sucks and it usually suck no matter where you live. However, if you're a highschooler, do NOT just do NOT live in korea, since the academic standards are above the roof just like other eastern asian countries like Japan, China, Singapore and so forth. I can elaborate more but im lazy so. Good video
the first half of this video is like "dang bro league of legends player in korea easily give up" the second half of this video is like "dang i can relate to this"
Cowsep's stats about champions on different servers were super interesting, puts some context to differences between the servers! Overall a fantastic documentary!
Seeing this video made me thankful I was playing on Garena/SEA . Even though SE Asian players suck , at least they try hard to win the game . Occasional flaming here and there but it's usually flaming those who's a hindrance to the team and I rarely see those egoistical players that trashtalks literally for no reason .
Same I play in the garena servers. They trashtalk but its with good intention or competitive spirit rising especially when you get a penta everyone and when I mean everyone it includes the enemy team cheering for you in a joking manner.
Heh. So i guess this was why my korean in-game friend said i was nice. Even though i did absolutely nothing special to him other than talk politely. He probably experienced way too many toxic people in korean LOL.
China, Japan, Singapore, and SoKor had the same educ system. In PH, it's a different story. Quit college today, come back 3 years later. No big deal. Still gets that diploma and mental health sane. Poor we may be, but I'm thankful most of the parents here are considerate to their kids' wants and needs.
The whole part about just getting stronger to deal with problems hit home, cause its a huge problem in rural parts of American as well. Hustle culture is hugely toxic and hugely damaging, and the worst part is since access to mental healthcare is paywalled, the only option *is* to get stronger, which reinforces the issue.
I find it weird that a lot of people wanted to move to Korea just so they can meet their Kpop idols and taste pure Korean culture without realising the bad truth about it. For example, popular Kpop groups, especially girl groups, have to be as skinny and frail as possible while they have to do months of intense physical rehearsals. A lot of them fainted and got hospitalised due to their limits.
Overseas Korean here. Want to share about what I experienced on the KR Server with my friend while playing League. Just because I was using English to communicate with my friend from Hong Kong while we were playing League, Koreans in game and chat told us to speak Korean and stop pretending to be a foreigner. Lol. They never believed we were from outside of Korea. Ever since, I barely play on that server. Most of them even have anger issues to the point they take everything seriously when it comes to games. They even love to talk shit about someone's parents if they aren't good at something. Also, for people who love flowers. You can't grow poppy flowers here. They don't even sell poppy seed bread. Cops will come for ya if you ever grow them. As how this video mentions about strict laws on drugs in South Korea and I currently living in Seoul, I can confirm that it is true.
U are forgetting that esports and gaming are very well socially accepted in Korean cultur and gaming is seen as a regular job since gaming was the solution to very high unemployment. There was an economic crisis in South Korea in like the 80s and 90s and a lot of ppl didn’t have a job and gaming became the solution so all the jobless ppl became pro players (mostly in Starcraft) and it helped the economy a lot. This is one of the reasons why esports is such a normal thing in Korea and there are whole federal TV channels dedicated to esports.
@@tupoibaran3706 Damn that's crazy, you're still forced to play hours upon hours a day and with all the mainstream attention it's even worse if you perform poorly b/c you have many more eyes on you.
As a Korean American (born in the U.S.) retired gamer (started with WC2, AoE2, Starcraft, etc.) the Korean mentality is not to play innovatively, but to find the best build order and mimic it. So, the "No Meta = No Win" culture makes sense. I always played by trying new and unexpected ways to win, mainly because it was so boring winning the same way, every time. My favorite pastime with LoL was getting toxic players banned by making them so angry by being nice in return, except I haven't played in years.
I love the vocal display of emotion and passion in this documentry. I wish I could speak about Korean schools, work life balance in different countries besides my own. I do have an interest in people and wish that everyone I know does well in life. I wish the best to all the People in Korea that do well in life stay well and all the people who strive for better days reach that end. Thank you Dong Haup for this video!
Great video. As a Korean-American who felt a lot of pressure in high school, my outlook on league was quite different from my friends who didn’t care as much about school. Thanks for taking the time to do interviews and research the topic thoroughly; it shows.
Watching the culture and how things go in many Asia countries, I'm thankful to have my parents who actually don't go harsh on me (about achievements or what the neighbors think).
To be honest, I never really expect that I will be emotionally relate in these video especially when mentall inless was brought about these topic. Like I really appreciate these kind of videos. I can finally relate. So yeah, thank you man.
really informative video! I always like when people connect LOL to some actually valuable knowledge like you did here with Korean culture. very well done!
On the note of the penalties for cyber harrassment/stalking. As a K-pop fan, it comes from the fact that there have been multiple cyber harassment campaigns against famous celebrities that caused those celebrities to take their own life. And many times the people who spear headed those campaigns where never held accountable. Also the issue with cyber stalking isn’t specific with just SK, but there are many many stories or both celebrities and normal people being stalked/threatened/harassed online, and those threats not being taken seriously only until the victim has been harmed and killed in some way. I believe there was a stalking case in Japan where the stalker harassed his victim through dms and emails, but it was not considered harassment by the police and the threats against the victim weren’t taken seriously until the stalker attacked her with a knife and serverly wounded/injured her. So while the punishments for some of those comments shown in the video might be harsh, it comes from real world events were people lost their lives or were injured and disabled bc of the actions of others.
If we could combine Korean, Japanese, and Finnish cultures, man that would be a utopia. Culturally willing to put in the hard work but understand that we are human (need breaks, excitement, love), boss is part of the team and invites the team for dinners like in Korea but doesn't require 80 hours a week, value education but acknowledges that there's more to life...
@@Action-h7fits more of an issue with the governments and less on the people itself. Germany did similar things but are open aboit the crimes. Japan on the other hand has a very censored take on it if ever about their war crimes. Funny enough their cultures are very intertwined and i think koreans are the majority of the foreigners in the very reclusive Japan. My point is both cultures are quite similar. Both benefited from their respective and similar cultures and both suffer the cons of it
"When you're in the Philippines you just get a bunch of people screaming "HAHAHAHAHA". As a Pilipino, I can confirm. Don't sweat tho, it's just casual banter. If you do bad you'll get the same amount of HAHAHAHAs as when you do good.
I appreciate all videos that highlight how things happening in gaming communities go beyond games and come from wider society and politics. Helps a lot against the illiterate and damaging "keep politics out of gaming" attitude.
My friend is a scuba diving instructor here in the philippines, one time he had korean students and they immediately wanted to do more of the advanced stuff. Of course, they were beginners and its dangerous. They just insult him saying shit like "shut up i pay you" "teach us or we wont pay". yeah, koreans treat other people like shit more than other asians, in and out of the internet.
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Something that got left out of the video but I wanted to mention. KR fans actually crowdfund gifts for their favorite players. Basically, there are sites that have people create a gofundme type of page to be able to give their favorite players a birthday gift or write messages like "We love you" on those big public advertising billboards. Just as there are super negative people, there are also super positive ones in KR as well.
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I prefer EUW toxicity. The hilarious broken english flaming gives me life.
You get broken english? I instantly get a foreign language thrown at me, as if I can respond to any of that
Nothing beats the good old 10 germans games and everyone flames in english.
"I flip minion like burger" - ap0calypse
Proceeds to run it down 0-30
Maybe i'm a psychopath but i really enjoy when people go full mental .
I was playing mainly to hit master and then quit the game so when i was losing lp i was kinda mad. But when i knew game was lost i just tried to find a really tilted guy and speaks to him.
What they say is so hilarious and creative . I'm not talking about the '' get c '' or '' h yourself '' or '' you're dogshit noob trash '' or '' ff 15 trash '' etc etc .... it's really boring.
But when they get creative and start saying '' go find the tallest building town in your city '' or '' i'll hire hitman 10k euro to kill your familiy watch your doorstep ''
It is so funnnny SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO funnnyy . And it made up for the lp i lost . Because i had fun.
And you find these psycho a lot between 1 AM and 5 AM so yeah.
Now i reached master and stopped playing league since 1 month and focus on IRL stuf . I advise you to do the same after you reach your dream elo.
@@arandomasshole2350 it's so freaking hilarious xddddd
I've once met a Korean player on a game and became friends, he told me about his school life and how his teacher kept telling him he's a failure even if he finds a tiny bit of success. He later said he wanted to quit school cause of the stress and depression from all the high expectations people give him. Till this day I feel bad for him and wish him the best, I haven't spoken to him for a few years but I hope he's doing well.
This is the problem with korea. I love korea its great in a lot of things. But being human is not one of them
He might have commited suicide by now.RIP random korean league player.
@@necrossff1964 that's a bit dark but hopefully not.
@@lukile3296 Hopefully yeah.
@@npcimknot958 still I have not heard a school boy shoot all his class, because he was in mental illnes in Korea,sometime I really wonderd how white people think Asians people have huge social pressure and they have a lot off depression,and white people have all the care and facilities to care off mental health still I saw mass murders in school in western countries
My mom was a model Korean student (attended either the first or second best women’s university at the time), and some of the things she tells me are just wild. Literally just the other week, she legit had one of those nightmares about having to retake the suneung. The 1st thing that dream-mom said/thought wasn’t even “what that’s bullshit” or something, it was “wait, I haven’t studied.”
When I ask her about what hobbies she had, she said she never had any because any free time she had was reserved for sleeping. It was bad enough that when she finally got into that really prestigious college she worked so damn hard for, she didn’t even pick her own major, she just did the one her dad told her to: HOME EC. Apparently he wasn’t even that strict on my mom becoming a housewife or anything, she just didn’t have anything else that interested her.
I’ll also never forget that time when I was in like elementary school or something & I asked my mom what grades/test scores she’d gotten as a kid. “Idk, but I was ranked X in my class.” For whatever reason that just shook my American ass down to the core.
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My goodness. I hope your mom's doing better now.
@@VitaeLibra I see your point. From an insider perspective, it might be very different.
Wow. I hope you and your mom are OK. 😢
Imagine slaving away during your youth to attend a prestigious university just to study home ec lmao
"I love that teachers treat us as human beings"
This is beyond depressive
Depressive like my school life.
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i funny at same time ngl i loled so hard
i was literally thinking: holy shit, that means i can be an excellent teacher there just by being a nice guy and i dont even like teaching lmao
woah woah woah remember you can't mention the D word in Korea.
it is similar here in turkey, it is not nearly as extreme as korea, but we still have that yearly exam and people bust their asses off, i was not done with scool till 10 or so, but i slept.
I remember reading once that Japanese companies often hired an American to give feedback. Just to say shit like “The fuck, this is a dumbass idea” or “No that’s not gonna work” because the workers weren’t allowed to talk back to the boss or even just correct mistakes. Kinda reflects how toxic the work culture is in Asian countries when absolute subordination to bosses prevents any kind of feedback, that could potentially actually improve the company, from happening.
East Asia* the other Asian regions don't have this problem atleast not as badly nor as wide spread I can only attest to my country a specifically but work forces here are usually close enough that a subordinate will be asked by their boss for their opinion because they are usually friends
Oh boy I can't wait to go full Tyler1 infront of the currupt japanese bosses
*mostly east asia bro
Here in Southeast asia it just depends on the people
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle Which country are you referring to?
@@aidanspence1178 Philippines people here as a work force are generally close and tight knit enough to be comfortable with each other though this is mostly for local owned small businesses I am unsure of bigger ones
I've taught in Korean private schools for the past decade, and the difference between my students there and the students in public schools is... terrifying?
It's almost like teaching two different nationalities, even though both groups are nearly 100% Korean. The private school students have so much more energy and life, and because these schools are so incredibly expensive, almost all of the kids are from rich families, and typically move on to bigger and better things than their public school counterparts. The curriculum at the school also contributes, being typically 2-3 years ahead of the public schools.
My current school even has a counselor on staff, available to both teachers and students. If only every school here could follow suit, things would improve so, so much.
Is it because the private schools overall, have a better curriculum ?
It's true. A person has an advantage, if coming from a rich family.
@@SpringNotes The curriculum is part of it, but I'd say the much smaller class sizes, availability of a counselor, and diverse staff play the biggest role. Bullying is also cracked down on a hell of a lot harder.
Those who do well in school are also those with higher iq. To get rich in sk you need High intelligence which the parents have. Iq is hereditary so the children inherit the higher intelligence and can thereofe learn things quicker at school.
@@testtestsson4927 Please don't talk about things you clearly have no clue about. That was such a load of nonsense I'm actually concerned. Don't talk about IQ when you can't even spell therefore. IQ is an incredibly complicated trait that is influenced LARGELY by BOTH environmental AND genetic factors. Also it's just factually incorrect that all or even most rich families would have larger IQ's. Especially in a country that developed so quickly, the super rich could've been people who just were in the right place or capitalised on opportunities quickly all of which are things that are not attributed to having a high IQ. For the love of god take a statistics or science class and learn what scientific/mathematical literacy is.
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this definitely affected yamikaze a lot
in a korean prison
"oh, new guy, what are you in for? they caught me killing a man"
"i told faker that he sucks at playing sett during a livestream"
"Damn, that's even worse than rape"
-the prisoner, probably
"Brian, there's some bad people in here."
@@imoffended5416 no one would say that, t1 fans should be in jail for being racist fucks on the other hand
*scoots to the other side of the bunk*
Plot twist: the murderer is an SKT fan and shanks you in the showers.
I was born and raised in NZ but I went to school in Korea for a year because one of my relatives died.
Could argue that it was one of the worst experiences of my life.
Why was it one of the worst experiences of your life?
like most East Asian school culture, I imagine bullying is rampant and teachers look the other way no matter how bad it gets
@@TheArtkaw they look the other way until the bullied fights back.. that's the case in schools all over the world.. you stand up to bullies you get punished. but bullies got free reign. that's how capitalism training works.
@@lordblazer wtf are you talking about lmao, this isnt an anime, if you get buillied and they dont care, they wont care when you fight back either unless you do something really bad
@@mealovesyuWell, their relative died
This is not just a League documentary, this is a video revealing something much bigger.
And that is?
Generally, its about societal aspects that affects people inhabiting a region, for good and or for worse.
@@BrokieTheJokie that gbay99 did it first
It started as league documentary and slowly but surely turned into a documentary about Korea
@@BrokieTheJokie overworking culture and social pressure to slave for your boss
Lmao, I'm a Korean myself and I feel like people sugarcoat Korean culture too much like, literally all the time, great vid, need more of these kind of things to let everyone know that Korea ain't that great of a place to live permanently, though I guess it's a decent place to pay a visit once in awhile.
Its not just a Korea thing but rather a ton of Asian countries, people sugar coat Japan like its the best and its a really depressive country with a overall quite disgusting culture, and the globalization doesnt help, since now anime and in Korea case k-pop and culture in general people get obsesed without really knowing the full picture of the country and just watch the good parts.
@@Amahankage2004 yeah your country must be so much better
@Diamond Frieza recommend me a GREAT country to live in one with ZERO problems and ZERO downside
@@りく-t7p something like that doesn't exist
apparently japan is being sugar coated and in reality is a shitty place to live in i was just asking where is a much better place to live
As someone who plays league, has a personal interest in Korean culture and pop culture, and has a Korean boyfriend…. This was a really well-made video. It touched on the complex nature and causes of toxicity in league. My boyfriend and I play league together, but he really does play to win. So it’s hard to have fun playing with each other. League eventually has become more stressful and less stress-relieving honestly. We’re taking a break from LoL together atm.
Nah bro. Quit LoL and play mild games like MLBB.
Play ff14. The free trial is expanding and is all about playing and cooperating with other people to progress it
I like how NA is basically the opposite when it comes to surrendering your team can be 0 and 30 but they will continue farming just to lose in 25 min instead of 15
that and also games in NA can go on surprisingly long. you can see why korea holds to the idea of early open mid: winning early game but then getting buttfucked late game just because they have the better champs or just so managed to get elder or baron feels unfair at times.
But it's also true that people throw all the fcking time.
In euw i rarely happen to see people surrender at 20+ almost never at 15.
I had many games where i was snowballing hard on my main and oneshotting evrybody but yet enemy team didn't surrender.
@@OG_ALviK even if you one shot everyone, you can get killed and the ennemy comeback, i remember once my team wanted to surrender because they were losing really hard and began to be toxic, me and another were not losing to much so we said no to surrender, in the end we won the game even tho 3 people kinda gave up. Some team comps are unwinnable, but its rare so i try to never surrender, always win, and never be toxic. Rn i dont play much league pc but im diamond on wild rift with this mindset.
@@a.i.m.f8567 same as me. I never ff and always try to win and comeback till the very end. Plat jungler here xD
@@OG_ALviK This is just a product of NA culture. Were told to idolize underdog story's and the idea of coming from a deficit yet still succeeding. NA will never open a game cause everyone wants to be different rather than conform like in South Korea. If 4 ppl vote no their will always be one guy getting off at the fact of holding his team hostage.
This was really interesting. Gave a lot of insight as to what causes people to be toxic, and while it's not an excuse, it's an explanation. Great video man.
People often get excuses and explanations mixed up
As a korean guy myself, I have convinced myself in all the right reasons to not play League at all and knowing that my mother country is the number one country for suicide, speaks a lot about the mental health of the people living in a toxic culture.
The studying culture there inflicts a self-superiority complex on each individual.
May u register the League of Legends account for me plz
@@zypit111 get our!
@@이현-e3i oh manners partner，we can be very nice friends，as close as a tree and its bark🥰
Nah Koreans are just based and masculine
As an estonian (we had one of the highest scores at PISA in the entire world) it is absolutely insane to think about thatkoreans are at school 14 hours a day. You need breaks in order to make yourself ready to absorb more information. Korean learning system is like slowly killing yourself.
Normally I would disagree , I encourage losing sleep and risking your mental health to achieve a better life , after all its 3 years of high school and 4 years of college that determine everything .
But looking back at this video it seems that culture continues till you become a boss with barely any escape route . However , even if it’s detrimental you gotta do what you gotta do to survive .
What everyone should get from this video is the hard work put in compared to our own . We should take the good points of this culture and use it to advance our careers because we at least have a very pro capitalist economy that we can use to form our passions and make it .
Every billionaire is a workaholic but they just know where and how to put these insane hours in and by being their own boss they can handle burnouts and not risk much .
I'm slightly stuck in this learning system (not in Korea, but other Southeast Asia countries) and I really realize the fun things in life in my first major entrance exam, which is kinda like the university exam explained in the video, but it's for high school and it's one time only, no retry. I was pressured by everyone in my class, extra class, parents, relatives, everyone just kept asking which school I'm gonna work for, which subject, my study routine, etc. I got dragged along and it wasn't until there was one month left until the exam that I took a break and just throw everything out of the window and try new things. I felt so damn happy about everything. It was meant a 1 week break but I extended it until the day before the day of the exam, which I crammed a bunch of stuff my memory is leaking out. The exam wasn't even that hard, which I only scored 0.75 lowers than the minimum requirement of the best school, which I'm extremely happy that I didn't ended up there since school has already started (as of 8/2) and I'm still out here messing around projects after projects.
Sure I might not have better school quality or better chance at landing better university, which leads to better jobs, but in return I found the fun of finding actually fun stuff to learn and do. I always thought I'm gonna spend my future being a programmer because I got a bunch of accolades in computer science, but I found so much fun in art, music composing, modding and 3d animating during the break that even though I'm no good in any instrument that I might change my entire roadmap with that break. I found a bunch of new routine that helps me both inside and outside school. Who would have thought coding a lazy auto-export would help so much with file sharing? Clearly nobody around me did. A random model that you worked on last month can be used in a presentation that due next week? Hell yeah.
I respect the learning system that all my friends are working hard using it everyday, but for me, a worse income but the actual job I wanted? I'm all in.
@Platinum Evolution That's nice to hear :)
Yet look at South Korea and Estonia in comparison lol Estonia has almost as high suicide rate yet nowhere near the standard of living, the economy, the scientific output, the soft power cultureal exports of KPOP, Korean Movies and Manhwua alone are cementing South Korea as a pop culture beast, Korean food is found everywhere on the planet now.
@@debodatta7398 if you want to know why it is the way it is, you should check history. While yes we dont have kpop or very popular national food, it is still mindblowingly long amount of time that the students learn per day.
I love these documentaries. I dont play League that much anymore, but I always watch your videos.
same, i don't even touch league nowadays but i gotta give props to donghuaps documentaries
Same
My exact feelings, plus I love watching cowsep play even though I never played Yi
Tbh the parts WITHOUT League (Aside from the PC Cafes) were way more interesting. Donghuap should just do a complete switchover and talk about real, social issues within the gaming industry as a whole rather than focusing on League. I get that maybe he has sponsors or a "brand," but just as a longtime fan, this is definitely a step in a better direction when it comes to content. Then again, it seemed like a lot of research to do, so I get it if he can't. I just enjoyed this video a lot more than others
Same I quit but these are nice to watch anyway
As a Canadian this is so hard for me to wrap my head around even though I grew up with lots of Korean friends through high school. They thought I was mad when I didn’t study for my S.A.T. When I asked one of my friends what she wanted to take in university her response was my parents want me to take business. When I said, no what do YOU want to take she looked at me like I had a third head. This is also sadly why their s--de rate is so high. Also the societal acceptance of verbal and physical abuse of people by in positions of power ie, teachers, bosses, etc, to those perceived as doing wrong.
This. It’s what ur parents want not us.
So you have 2 heads?
just fyi, one difference may be that asian parents pay half or 100% of the university fees. My mom basically said: you can take whatever major you want, as long as you pay for it. I decided that student debt isn't worth choosing the major I somewhat want (my first choice aligns with hers so that wasn't a problem if I got into my first choice)
basically a lot of the times we listen to our parents not just because they are our parents but they sunk in tens of thousands extra for our education. I prefer no debt than anything else
As a fellow Canadian, this video is unfortunately out of date. Korea now outranks both Canada and Finland on all the PISA ranking (math, reading, science). Most s--de in Korea is the elderly, LGBTQ or people with mental illnesses, not students. In fact, s--de among persons aged 15-19 is actually higher in Canada than Korea according to the WHO. Obviously schooling in Korea is extremely stressful, but the fact is that they have better educational outcomes and a lower student s--de rate than we do in Canada.
As a Korean who has grown up in western countries and Korea, I can safely say that I'm glad I got to grow up experiencing both sides since both society's have shit I never would want to deal with singlehandedly.
Definitely
well everywhere has that
For sure. You got to pop in one and go to the other so it wasnt 100% experience. I thnk thre needs to be a balance.
what are examples from each side?
@@doransshield9176 My guess is the terrible work/life balance in Korea, and then in America the fact that you can get robbed and killed just for walking around through bad neighborhoods (Korea literally doesnt have that type of thing at all)
20:05 so thats why yone says "Sleep is not for the weak, but for the blessed"
LMFAO
I mean.. that's the truth
Yone is actually just Riot Korea trying to send a message about toxic Korean work culture
As a kid at boarding school who has tons of Korean friends now, many of which play league: yea. This is absolutely accurate. There’s this one guy that had his Gold IV acc permabanned because of the pure disgusting shit he said in /all. To be honest, he’s actually a really chill and considerate person to those around him that he even mildly has some sort of attachment to, and he’s even recently quit league because he realized how pointless and toxic it was. But I’ve played a few games with him and god was that a fuckin experience…
This culture applies to most East and Southeast Asia countries.
Having worked in several countries before, I'd still say japan/korea tops the list for most unbearable societies in the world to work and live in. Which is rather ironic since these are some of the world's best places to visit as tourists. China vietnam and singapore are much much less toxic to work in. In fact I was kinda surprised with china despite all the negativity about it, people were a lot more westernised in thinking
I would say Korea still takes the crown in terms of pressure, in SEA people are still more chill and less competitiv
@@AG-kk4zy I can agree with this a lot of people don't understand that living in a place and visiting a place are completely different experiences
Stats don’t lie tho.
Yeah I haven’t even watched the vid, but who’s surprised by the title tbh. Asian countries all have harsh cultures, societal pressures. Japan, China, KR, whatever man.
If I made post about this on reddit, I would've been either banned by mods or called RACIST and being downvoted to hell. We needed someone with authority to tell harsh truth. Perfect video Dong!
mate forget the subreddit, all mods are shilling for riot, there is no remotely relevant discussion happening
No you wouldn’t, no one would’ve interacted and it would’ve died at 3 upvotes.
Don't take it personal buddy, the league subreddit mods are a bunch of donkeys, jerking each other off about how cool they are because they have the power over such a subreddit.
@@kyooties2129 they're really specifically power-hungry sometimes, and i thought reddit mod stereotype was blown to the extreme lol
Leaving the league subreddit as the only forum was a great mistake
Ive had two korean bosses(male boomers). Every single time, they want things “fast”, ven though it doesn’t need to be fast, and yet a receive constant follow up. They literally say, faster is better. But eventually we make mistakes and missed opportunities to reflect on better strategies, making things much slower if not broken. Im in academia. I resigned because what the hell am i doing here. Im not writing so much low quality papers just because my boss wants them as many as possible. Its only me perpetuating a broken management. Theyre so anxious all the time and like, gloomy, and it leaks to the lower ranked positions.
to expand on the PC Room mentality in philippines. basically, the opposite. we sometimes open, mostly trashtalk, but NEVER ff. they say it's because of the mentality "I'm paying for my PC time, I don't wanna waste this game" cuz usually have loaded 1-3 hours of PC time. so the time must be used in playing the game
Haha Lagi kong iniisip na toxic na Sa pilipinas pero Ibang klase ang korean server meron silang superiority complex.
Pisonet gaming
that's the difference between ph and kr. It's kind of weird how it's the same thing but completely different approach
@@haroldsoriano9197 parang mga pinoy lang sa dota may superiority complex kaya nga ampanget ng imahe nila sa dota community eh 😂
@@theburden9920 Sobrang proud sa achievement ng ibang pilipino. kadalasan sa mga ganyang ugali hindi sumusuporta sa una, nakiki congrats lang sa dulo
As a Finnish person it makes me feel so bad for complaining about school here, I probably wouldn't survive a minute as a student in Korea.
it is crazy how much less pressure a Finnish school puts on their students and still somehow outperforms its Korean counterpart
@andrzejwilk7316 I have observed a low performer in an average school in shanghai, being a friend of his somewhat. In a top150 UK school he slept in class for a year and got 3rd in the finals. Apparently that school already prelearns all the way to pre-u at year 7
I met a few dudes from Finland in Hongdae and they told me I’m not as dumb or fat as they expected an American to be….. 😂😂 thanks……😅
I'm finnish and I don't survive in finnish school I might just be dumb af.
Also in Korean Entertainment Industry, it's basically a prison; especially for the small/nugu groups and how they're being treated by their companies. It's so heartbreaking how these people are going through, plunging in debt while not ensured of a succesful debut PLUS excessive criticisms from Knetz which are the reason for developing anxiety, eating disorders and stuffs. SM entertainment before was one example of neglect or unfair treatment of their members just for the show (Jonghyun from SHINee, C-Line in EXO, C-Line in NCT, Jessica from SNSD) etc.
Im a korean and actually I agree with all the things in this videos. All the things are true though cant lie and korean study time is way different. Even if you study hard and get all 100 on your test you still be 40/200 students. Korean get so much stress and I think this is one of the reason korean act like this like me as well
I am from Finland and I don't know how I could handle the school system in South Korea... it feels really stressful to even think about how much more work you do for studies.
@@frostyblue1923 oh yeah its a nightmare
Don't forget those rich kids that have connections ....i have a friend from there and heard a lot about how the rich kids always have the privileges
@@bread3987 oh yeah forgot about that
@@dpswm1 Imagine kpop stars working to the point of exhaustion then their fans praises korean culture without knowing a single thing about it. This stuff is commonly seen btw, same thing with japan.
As a Korean myself, I approve this documentary. Well delivered about some of the ongoing issues in Korean culture. As portrayed in game community, following the "meta" is deeply rooted in their minds, making them believe this is the only way to earn victory, and that is where all the drama starts. Haha. Of course, not everyone behaves in such manner, however, I have to agree majority acts in this manner. Funny part is, everyone believes that they are "pro" and above you. Unfortunately, this behavior does not only apply in game but also in their life as well. Always believing whatever the popular "trend" is, they must follow, and very stubborn that they are right. (There are more I would like to share in detail, but tiredsome to explain more in detail. Also forgive me if I have not explained in proper manner. Poor brain capacity.) Anyways, what I wanted to say is thank you for getting it out there. These have to be shared, so we can come to a proper understanding of each culture. Not to tackle or point fingers but I turly hope to come to an understanding how we can approach and properly manage these issues in step by step manner. :) Now let us play some Leaugue of Legends.
Jajajajajaj u ‘approve’
That is why they are losing to Pakistanis in Tekken because of their superior attitude.
You are so right on this. Most Korean players I meet online in-game are so arrogant. They always think they are much better than you and they know everything, not only that, everything you do is wrong. Many of them are also very brain-dead in thinking that the "meta" is the only way to play instead of trying things that makes sense, it's like they don't have a thinking brain.
I taught English in Korea at a hagwon (private tutoring)
The last private school class ended at 10pm by law
I met a Korean guy who used to be an English tutor. He told me that before this 10 pm law, students would literally be tutored until 1/2am, then go home, do homework, wake up and go to school
The law was put in place about 10 years ago meaning this safeguard was not in place before and kids maybe had 3-4 hours of sleep during weekdays!
It's funny(and also tragic) how this will just make most students studying less effective. You're just practicing muscle memory at that point.
And the thing is, we go to a 24 hour cafe and study there after 10pm. We have no other choice, it's the only thing we can do to survive unless we are gifted.
Dude, half way through I forgot that was a video about League
Yeah Koreans are extremely prideful so they would rather lose on their own terms and bring everyone with them if it meant not having to play at a disadvantage. You hit the nail on the head this entire video and I felt it was well informed. Good stuff dong huap
>they'd rather lose on their own terms
>bring everyone down with them
this sounds eeriely familiar of what the imperial japanese army used during ww2
@R slicker yes slicker, kaboom
@@lillyie That's what east Asian culture have in common (Japan, KR and China)
Yes after they lost twice to PH in FIBA asia cup qualifiers and the coach said after the first game it was lucky.
@@cyrusjohnbalida5272
bts biot
i really love how this video not only hit the Korean culture but also the Asian culture as well. As a filipino, I can't say I can relate to how much stress and mental issues korean people face but I've gotten my own share as well. Despite living in the US and going to school here, it is still a necessity to always get straight A's every quarter, get 100 on every quiz and test, get a high score on the SAT and go to a high end university. On moments that i would feel depressed or mentally exhausted from the stress, I would hide it because it is looked down upon like your some weak, crazy and lazy person just trying to find an excuse to not be in school. I am still thankful for my mother understanding me and my brother. As of typing this, i am currently in a community college doing a Nursing major (i know right, a filipino would of course do nursing) and soon doing my bachelors. I feel less stressed and more willing to do things that i love to do. If ur going through hard times, pls take some rest and time off. Do what u love to do. Relaxing should not be a reward but as a normal, everyday thing that we should all do. We are human beings, not robots. Always prioritize ur well being and as well as others around u. May u achieve peace and happiness now and in the coming future.
how are you now
As a Korean myself, it's kinda strange that some foreigners convinced me into telling me the 'truth' about our culture,
but I find it somewhat strangely accurate than it sounded in the first place.
I'm one of the guys who went through Sooneung with good results and succeeded with being accepted to a quality university in Seoul.
Based on my experience until now, Korea is a society with little tolerance for error.
It's not easy for anyone to recover from initial failure, but it's double the effort in Korea.
Korean Parents emphasize on 'Getting good grades in school, Graduating from a Good University, Getting a job in a good company' which is considered the 'life standard.'
They know that if you start in the wrong direction, it's really hard for you to get back on track.
Of course the old confusianist lifestyle playes its role indirectly, becasue in the past the best lifestyle was passing the national test and serving the king himself.
So Studying is the one and optimal solution for young koreans, and anything which gets in its way are tabooed by most parents - especially gaming.
You don't have enough time to study more and get good grades. Why waste your precious time on such things?
There comes the second problem - chiling out.
In my perspective, Koreans (adult or adolescent) do not have enough venues to chill out and ventillate.
Physical Education is highly neglected in korean education because studying is the one with the most importance.
The only place for youngsters to chill out is these PC cafes cause they can't drink beer.
It's hard to find amateur sports teams inside korea, and people simply don't know the importance of working out.
So, if you're a person with low grades, a not good university degree, and not enough friends to hang out and drink, the internet is the only way out.
The toxic lol community is filled with people who have nothing but lol. They do not know any other way except for League of Legends, so they overindulge.
My 3 years in High school was like living hell, and I couldn't do much about it.
The people are toxic because the SYSTEM IS TOXIC. Not the other way around.
This leads to the toxic LOL community. Of course Riot Korea is not doing a good job in catching trollers.
But for most Koreans, playing LOL is for WINNING, not enjoying.
If you can't win, there's no point in doing so. They want to chill from this competitive, toxic society by succeeding, or WINNING in LOL.
Playing META picks, getting the best item builds is only for one thing. TO WIN.
If your game is ruinined in the laning phase, there's no chance of wnning, so they throw to quickly proceed to the next game.
And finally, one last thing. The NS and Polt thing that you mentioned. The Korean and Western perspective differs very.
The first reason that Koreans said no to NS and Polt being the T1 coach was that they had no expertise in LOL.
Polt was a Starcraft II player until 2019. He had no expertise in the sport.
NS was the first non-korean coach in LCK Challengers, but the results were poor.
They could not understand why these coaches should coach one of the most prestigeous LOL clubs, when other good coaches like Danny or KKoma were on the market.
Second was the Discrimination Issue concerning NS.
When NS was coaching in a LCK challengers team called BBQ Olivers in 2018, there was a european jungler named "Malice'.
He was very toxic in Korean Solo Que in Korean standards, who came up with racist comments which outraged Koreans - It's the Korean server, right?
He called Koreans 'monkeys' and trolled Faker about his english pronounciation, and got into fights with the T1 top laner 'Untara', which led to Riot Korea banning him for 3 games with a fine.
What NS did was to stand up for Malice, which was not acceptible for the Korean LOL community.
The T1 community could not accept a figure who quarreled with their former Top laner while standing up for a racist.
Korean LOL players didn't care if NS was LGBT or not. They simply wanted a coach who coould PRODUCE RESULTS.
If NS had shown his qualities that he could 'WIN A TITLE', the fans would have loved it in the first place.
That's the Korean mentality you mentioned. They can do EVERYTHING to win.
And, regarding NS's grandma getting death threats, many Koreans didn't care about NS's grandmother's existence. He was not that big a figure in Korea after all.
The comments were given with no actual proof at all. If there were no proof, how could we believe it in the first place?
I have worked with korean client before.
They would sit behind you, see what you are doing everyday, 9 to 5.
On my 2nd day, i had to ask him to give me my privacy, if not, i wouldt work with him behind my back.
@@zaini1388 That's the kind of mindset that typical koreans in their 40,50s have. They think that you should be always commited to your work in work hours, which obviously is NOT related to productivity. They kinda have this false stereotype that more time leads to more productivity.
Can't agree with this more as a fellow Korean.
eh
You should directly say that the death threats are a lie, and eventually face the consequences of your position.
Other than that, most of your arguments make sense.
Most.
Philippine chat:
Lets chat, we're losing anyways.
*1 Hour later, someone got ambushed in a computershop*
Hellla true even before league days
Dota and CS days even more
They don't know that in ph it's more than just a game, some people even got murdered.
@@kawaiipotatoes7888 pustahan ay kaya :(
Computershop turns into a ufc arena.
there was a saying "dota or gf"
I remember in 2015 during Easter I visited Korea. I was 14 years old at the time. I went to a gaming cafe to play the game (Gold promos) and I met this 17 year old teen who I made friends with as we talked and he told me about how rough the Korean school system was and how I was so lucky to live in Australia. He told me that he played LoL to escape reality and feel something, whereas it was really just a hobby for me (that turned into an addiction in 2016, thank god I was able to escape in 2019). He even told me that one time he thought about suicide because of the pressure he faced. Thank god he seems to still be doing well
The first part explains why Korean Dota hasn't been as successful as League in global competition. In Dota, while the early game matters for sure, the adaptability to be able to prolong a game and reach a point where the late game is viable is why China, who also exhibit this same quality in the LPL, tend to excel.
No it does not. If you think it doss you are just connecting dots like a conspiracy theorist. Dots that have not even a correlation.
Dota NEVER took off in Korea. And even then Korea had that one team in TI that reached top 8. Even with a tiny dota playerbase.
Right now Apex Legends in Asia is like 80% japanes plaayers so a lot of orgs are japanese. But in the APAC north region. Guess what country dominates even though they got no dedicated served and a significantly smaller playerbase? South Korea.
Back in Counter strike 1.6. There was a famous South Korean team that. Again. Even with low CS players Korea waa able to field a team that, while they were not a definite top team, was a clear threat whenever they went to international LANs.
Korea just does good in games cuz mfs be like "fuck studying. fuck the 학원". I want to game and PC gaming is the only culture here due to PC방.
If games like cs1.6/Dota/others had actually became a fad here and became popular. I can guarantee you Korea would be fielding in the best players consistently.
The problem with Dota in KR is that it literally had no KR playerbase. The forced KR dota server died in literally a few months. Didn't even last a year cuz Valve were too late
@@r1ght_n0w I can't deny anything you just said, but I was just using the Dota example to explain why LPL, and by extension Chinese Dota, is stronger because of the adaptability. That's not to discount their mechanical ability, or talent in general, and I personally think that if the world was flipped and that Crossfire was the popular esport globally, then Korea would dominate, and even now we see that they had a respectable 3rd place finish in the VCT: Raykjavik.
Sea server is a burning car crash pile up. It's horrifying but I can't stop looking
@@reynoldkao2598 yeah though on a slightly unrelated note, valorant is legitimately dead in korea due to its early struggles in the country, so it's hard to see korea dominate the game at the moment.
@@r1ght_n0wTI 6 MVP got lucky than a real "level". They never win a Bo2 in group stage. OG drama lead to them choke really hard to MVP 2-1.
After that Fnatic 2-0 MVP, Wings 2-0 MVP.
MVP player never achieve anything later.
PC culture is everywhere, I don't see why Korean is the expection. Only thing Korean player have advantage is internet. Compare to SEA and SA player.
Compare to China dota ? well. They can go homeless for Dota.
So glad I'm a Korean American. I have ADHD and I would've been thrown to the streets if I was born in Korea
Same
Yeah.. its not that serious. They over simplify it in these youtube videos
@@monke5004 fr they make it seem incredibly black and white
Trust me ADHD wouldn't have hindered you too much academically. I got diagnosed with ADHD and I still perform well without Adderal etc... You just need to have enough pressure to realize if you don't succeed you will be at the mercy of some brain-dead jackass.
@@brdon2099 14 hours seem pretty black and white
Thank you so much for making this. This makes me understand & realize why one from this place in the world could be so upset when losing a game & why one could be so angry in not just league but in games in general .
League gave Cowsep anxiety disorder, damn.
i mean its not the game itself, its the culture or korea and the pressure that gave it to him, if he was on another cultural server it probable wouldnt ve happened
@@samuelallard141 either way this game is shit and a waste of time everyone knows it deep inside but too addicted to admit it
@@rookeyji5177 ouch. The truth.
@@rookeyji5177 Facts I quit league 2-3 years ago and my life got so much better. I still watch dong hua or pants are dragon from time to time since I've been watching them for many years.
@@rookeyji5177 i think all league player admit this game is shit especially the most addicted ones hell the most addicted ones are the most vocal regarding not getting involved in league
How did it take this long for the guy with Dong in his name to get a Manscaped sponsorship?
Ok I laughed way to fkin hard at this 😂
Hairfree dong is most beautiful.
Most underrated comment I have seen in my whole life.
I love the different ways of how the kids with the lack of attention turn out w/ the different toxicity levels and you’ll start to notice how their cultures reflects their disposition in the game when they also apply the western culture mixed in-when they get confidence from winning their games.
I play on the Korean server. Actually, I learned to play on the Korean server. Me watching this is weird because I can see these issues but because I learned to play here, they don't feel like issues to me because I've been submerged in this toxic server since I arrived. When I visited my family in the US and played some league games, I made a few remarks in chat and the players called me "super toxic." which was strange, because what I said was like baseline for Korea, not even considered toxic.
*DEAR GOD*
If you don't mine me asking what did you say?
@@teemo9141 go next open 15
So what ur saying is, you've become influenced by toxicity and now ur a very toxic person outside of Korea but when you act toxic in Korea ur just saying some average stuff?
@@Marvel32667 Yes. That is correct. My behavior in Korea is par for the course and won't even get me reported, but in NA I get banned
I lived in Seoul for 5 years and can vouch it is a very difficult environment to thrive in. Mental health issues are indeed seen as a weakness and I always saw my coworkers trying their best to be push through despite being clearly overworked. Even my young students. :'( I thought I'd stay for most of my life but ended up leaving do to workplace culture. 13 hour work days for minimal pay and no overtime is exhausting. Not to mention the sexual harassment, hierarchical nature of companies, and the required drinking parties...
well
people always forget that without any of these work Korea would be worse than Indonesia
many people in Indonesia dont know what toilet looks like
I mean very very poor
you Koreans are so blessed you dont even realize that
I live in cambogia and honestly I would kill to be born in Korea
the frend of my cousin is half blind 1 of his eyes cant see because snake spit a venom in his eye when he try to catch a snake to sell it in restaurant because his family was very poor
its a our side hustle pays very good but very dangerous
I use to work in rise plantation to make some money
even tho we considered rich in cambogia it still sucks
healthcare is shit
education is shit
social help is shit
many people have no electricity
on water no nothing
forget wifi
hunger is big problem
corruption in our country is out of the stratosphere
many people work on 5 dollars a day while prime minister is wearing patek Philippe for 2 millions
250 dollars is pretty good salary
so fuck off
@@allenk6373dozens of countries have all the upsides of South Korea without the ludicrous work rate (the ridiculous work hours don't actually help anything)
Learning about the conditions of students in countries like Korea makes me feel bad that I ever thought school is hard.
i'm gonna be real with you, dong.
these documentaries are legitimately becoming better than most netflix ones
I haven't taken the Suneung personally, but I have taken something very similar if not harder, China's Gaokao. It's a test so bs that not a single perfect score has been archived like ever, and let me tell you, your passions, your aspirations, your emotions, and even your achievement outside academia doesn't matter in these kind of environment. You are judged base on that number, and that number alone. You can be the most toxic, awkward or socially inept kid out there, and you will be praised like the greatest student to ever lived in your district if you achieve a very high score. Some of the people I know still have the fear of failing this test even long into their career, and reflect on the preparation period like some sort of nightmare. Not that I disagree.
Here we also have an exam that is the same for the whole nation, taken at the end of high school. It also determines if you will make it to the university, some universities have their own small exams, but it's an add-on, like drawing exam, physical fitness exam, etc, if the university does need that. You also can only take it once a year, and if you fail you can't go to any university. But the minimum to say you passed is 30% ^^. And plenty of ppl get very high, close to perfect scores. You can get a perfect score with just an education you received in school. Obviously, it is still stressful, but none makes a big deal if you make some mistakes. So different. Strange how that works sometimes. And ppl do think that it makes you somehow a higher standing if you have higher education.
oh god I heard of that test its real sad that places have these types of tests
fucking awful what the fuck. literally dystopian.
Thing is, those Gao kao type exam are kinda BS, because students that goes to the best private school will always have the best grade and the best uni, while the poorer students even if they are litteraly genius and scores high won't be able to pay the top university fees KEK
Then it's not exam that's BS, but the system of paying for education. Here we have the exam, but unies are free. I mean private one, where you have to pay do exist, but the best ones are the public ones. Private ones are thought to be for rich ppl who are to stupid to qualify for a public ones.
As a Montréaler from Canada, this entire video was heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine how soul crushing it would be to grow up like this...
Hello fellow Canadian! This video is unfortunately out of date. Korea now outranks both Canada and Finland on all the PISA ranking (math, reading, science). Most suicides in Korea is the elderly, LGBTQ or people with mental illnesses, not students. In fact, suicide among persons aged 15-19 is actually higher in Canada than Korea according to the WHO. Obviously schooling in Korea is extremely stressful, but the fact is that they have better educational outcomes and a lower student suicide rate than we do in Canada.
@@braxhartman idk which stats youre looking at but canada has half of south koreas suicide rates, you likely looked at the north korean suicide rate stats. Education wise it does make sense for korea to be up there, as of late canadian education just hasnt been that great and passing grades are 50%. Doesn't help that most students barely try anymore unless they are actually aiming for a future that requires a specific degree but most people I know went to the trades route.
@@littypug The stats are from OECD CO4.4: Teenage suicides (15-19 years old). You'll find the table on page 2, showing that the youth suicide rate is 9.1 per 100,000 in Canada versus 7.1 per 100,000 in South Korea. The PISA assessment is a standardized test allowing us to compare different countries with different passing rates, and Korea presently outranks Canada in all categories (math, reading, and science). Keeping in mind that PISA assessments are of the same age cohort as the CO4.4 suicide statistics, it indicates Korea is achieving both superior academic performance and a lower youth suicide rate.
@@braxhartmanah I found it now, I see what you mean. I was looking at the overall suicide rates and not the ages 15-19 I believe.
@@littypug Yes, the overall suicide rate is higher in SK, largely because of the elderly. Almost 40% of South Koreans over 65 live below the OECD's poverty line! It's very sad.
The work culture discussed at 23:00 onwards. Having to stay late even when there is no work.. having to go to parties and peer pressured into drinking with bosses.. OH MY GOD, why is it so similar to Meds School work culture in India! And I am glad someone is actually pointing it out that it indeed IS a TOXIC work culture to follow.. sad there isn’t an alternative in the near future though
the alternative is to not do it, easier said than done I know
"When you're n the Philippines, you get a whole bunch of people just screaming HAHAHA in all chat."
Yep. I can vouch for that. We Filipinos are a happy bunch. Even our toxicity is laughter. Lol.
That's why in League, I mostly just play ARAM and TFT. If you're in solo queue most of the players are just smurfing or beginners who rage quit after 15 mins of feeding. It's better to play with a friend then at least you'll have a higher chance of actually climbing up.
The culture is really a big part of the toxicity in a region. The end of the video pretty much explains why the Korean server is like that. I truly hope in the future that their situation improves and that Riot Korea will be more active in controlling the level of toxicity.
Even me do this AHAHAHAHA
Ah yes the classic
"Tangina neto bobo AHAHAHAHAHA"
Even trashtalk has a fit of laughter included
That just Lol, no one play LOL in Phi. Go check DOTA chats, toxic to the core.
Imagine the example of flaming in a region to be just intense laughter. Is this heaven or what?
I was wondering how the servers were like in Korea. I recently played a game with someone normally plays in Korean servers. He was lagging a bit and apologized letting us know he was from a dif server and someone asked why he was in NA server to begin with. Dude just said NA server is much better than Korean servers. I was confused.
This was such a banger doghuap, my favorite video that you've released so far. Keep at it man, your content is amazing!
thank you dong man
I started crying after the human beings part. cause that's the school my cousin goes too. It's far away from his house but his mom has him go there. it made me cry cause i realized that my cousin doesn't have to go have as much of a problem in school as most of korea does.
I wouldn't be so quick to say that being a pro gamer is an escape from a regular job. Not only is it super competitive and therefore stressful, it also ruins your favorite game.
correct, but hey, at least you get free from military service, right?
@@HaxHaunter Khan would like to disagree
Thats why I don't spend my time playing competitive games, it ruins ur mindset and ur wellbeing if ur surrounded by the wrong people.
still better than having to, you know,study for like 8 years for your degree and even then thats not gonna guarantee a job. these pro players are barely 18 and is already set for life
I'm Australian but both my parents are Korean and it's really sad seeing Korea like this. I'm blessed to be born in Australia but I really feel for Korean.
This is sooooo stressful. In Kenya and am sure in many African countries we have the same culture as South Korea when it comes to taking a test that determines which university you will go into or whether you will even go to the university. I remember how stressed I was in my final year of high school. I got really ill in the first and second semesters which meant I didn’t study very well in preparation for the final exam. I never felt ready to sit for the finals. I hated high school tbh and would never want to back in time and go to high school again. Fuck school. The anxiety I faced to keep up grades and do better than fellow classmates which led to unhealthy competitions and an animosity between students is something I can never wish on my worst enemy. Then after all the hard work you put into performing well in school you’re not guaranteed a job. Fuck life lol.
Damwon be doing Suneung at Worlds
underrated comment lmao
Damn so tru
am korean myself who played league a lot, i'll so happy that this is getting noticed (kinda small, but still happy) this is VERY serious issue needs to be addressed ASAP.
The extreme emphasis on education, especially the Korean SAT, is probably rooted from the GwaGeo system. GwaGeo was a test held by the government every year, which started all the way back in the year 700-ish and ended in 1894. It was a test to hire government official jobs and it was a way to up your social standing and standard of living. You could be a normal farmer boi and boom with a single test you can have all the honor, glory, and money of being a government official. As long as you weren't in the slave class, education was a single best thing that'd flip the class system. Mostly it was the noblemen who took the test since they were the ones who can afford studying night and days without having to work. But there were studies showing that lowest of 16% to highest of 50% of the people who were hired from the test were commoners. So as a Korean myself, I think there's a deeply engrained cultural belief that the education is the only way and the most effective way we can flip our social standing.
As someone who has been a frequent viewer of Cowsep's videos on youtube and occasional watcher of his streams it was really interesting and enlightening to see him so heavily featured in this video. I hope things are going better for him now.
So Cowsep was a teacher, eh?
Imagine flaming your teacher in soloq for playing master Yi
I would lol
@@gigachad8260 then change
Yet Cowsep is a hypocrite here, NA is even more toxic with it's passive agressive inters, griefers, and non ff'ers.
@@lostandfound6501 NA is not more toxic then korea tho? And the key word is "passive aggresive", in Korea it's not passive aggresive, it's aggresive.
@@gehee6781 where's the video on NA Toxicity and where is the video on RIOT who creates the Toxicity on purpose with fixed matchmaking? Why is NA the worst region? Where is the video about NA denying access for homegrown talent like 5fire? Want more? NA region is the worst region.
I feel that the biggest issue with South Korea, and Asian cultures in general, is not simply the bad aspects of the culture that stick out, but that speaking up and seeking change itself is discouraged. Up until very recently physical punishment in schools was supported by law in Japan, and even to this day it is a core part of their school culture. Korea had a similar culture and probably even leans more heavily towards screaming at kids like they are marines.
The North America, Europe, Australia and even Latin America, all have a lot of flaws, some more than others, different issues to tackle, different cultures, but in every single one of these speaking up about your issues and seeking change is ENCOURAGED at all levels. Yes there are always micro-cosmos where a company culture or boss can shut you down, but you have plenty of recourse for escalation and you are not shamed for trying. But in Asia, S. Korea included, the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. You MUST fit in. Trying to change the system is not seeing as a genuine desire to improve the system, but an attempt at breaking it. Any meaningful change must always come from top-down, however, how can you expect people that lived their entire lives in a particular system and topped it, to seek changing that same system?
as a renekton main, I had no idea I had Koreans as a Favored Enemy
Great video!
I really enjoyed the fact, how Cowsep, person from both American and Korean cultures explained everything. And, mostly respect for the explaining not only the "game behaver", but also what happens out side of the PC, how the real life affects us.
I was teaching english in Seul in 2017. I tottally agree all of these. What a nice documentary!!!
This is actually a really informative video about the Korean work force and how toxic it can be.
Nah it’s not even that bad it’s all click bait
8:25 No cowsep, it's not nine times the ban rate, it is 18 times the ban rates hahaha :D
Na EdUcAtIoN
I think Dong's screenshots were taken at a different time from Cowsep's interview, as almost all of the numbers were different
He also said something about rounding up numbers, so maybe that was it
@@alaliiah1813 yep exactly
He was rounding up
For me personally, this is my opinion.
Living in korea is actually pretty damn nice cuz it's a very developed futuristic place. Obviously life sucks and it usually suck no matter where you live.
However, if you're a highschooler, do NOT just do NOT live in korea, since the academic standards are above the roof just like other eastern asian countries like Japan, China, Singapore and so forth.
I can elaborate more but im lazy so.
Good video
Is it just me orvsounds like you talking about human traffic? hahaha
What about korea is futuristic that other first world countries dont have?
the first half of this video is like
"dang bro league of legends player in korea easily give up"
the second half of this video is like
"dang i can relate to this"
Insanely interesting watch, keep it up Dong!
Cowsep's stats about champions on different servers were super interesting, puts some context to differences between the servers!
Overall a fantastic documentary!
Seeing this video made me thankful I was playing on Garena/SEA . Even though SE Asian players suck , at least they try hard to win the game . Occasional flaming here and there but it's usually flaming those who's a hindrance to the team and I rarely see those egoistical players that trashtalks literally for no reason .
True well said.. Shoutout to all my SEA homies out there!!
Used to play in the NA server before playing in SEA. Every once in a while I go back and play. NA is easier than SEA imo, but SEA is more fun.
Same I play in the garena servers. They trashtalk but its with good intention or competitive spirit rising especially when you get a penta everyone and when I mean everyone it includes the enemy team cheering for you in a joking manner.
Heh. So i guess this was why my korean in-game friend said i was nice. Even though i did absolutely nothing special to him other than talk politely. He probably experienced way too many toxic people in korean LOL.
Damn I remember that kootra swatting incident like it was yesterday. Life goes by in a flash...
China, Japan, Singapore, and SoKor had the same educ system.
In PH, it's a different story. Quit college today, come back 3 years later. No big deal. Still gets that diploma and mental health sane. Poor we may be, but I'm thankful most of the parents here are considerate to their kids' wants and needs.
The whole part about just getting stronger to deal with problems hit home, cause its a huge problem in rural parts of American as well. Hustle culture is hugely toxic and hugely damaging, and the worst part is since access to mental healthcare is paywalled, the only option *is* to get stronger, which reinforces the issue.
It's not even the case of being "stronger". It's a case of desensitizing to the toxicity around you because of how futile resistance is
What's wrong with wanting to grind and earn money?
Seems to me you're just lazy and don't want to work for your money. Typical liberals
Socialist
While watching this, I highly appreciate our server (PH).
Always remember fuck garena kasi sha ang one of the reasons basura server natin haha
amen brother haha
21:13 that’s crazy, I was always sleep deprived in middle and high school because we had to wake up at the crack of dawn. At least in the states
I can't help but love this style of videos. Please keep up the documentaries. We need them.
Im currently sick and this made my day man. Thanks!
I find it weird that a lot of people wanted to move to Korea just so they can meet their Kpop idols and taste pure Korean culture without realising the bad truth about it. For example, popular Kpop groups, especially girl groups, have to be as skinny and frail as possible while they have to do months of intense physical rehearsals. A lot of them fainted and got hospitalised due to their limits.
I personally have literally zero desire to go to Korea
I'd be forced to wear a mask/facial covering and I'd hate that
Overseas Korean here. Want to share about what I experienced on the KR Server with my friend while playing League. Just because I was using English to communicate with my friend from Hong Kong while we were playing League, Koreans in game and chat told us to speak Korean and stop pretending to be a foreigner. Lol. They never believed we were from outside of Korea. Ever since, I barely play on that server. Most of them even have anger issues to the point they take everything seriously when it comes to games. They even love to talk shit about someone's parents if they aren't good at something.
Also, for people who love flowers. You can't grow poppy flowers here. They don't even sell poppy seed bread. Cops will come for ya if you ever grow them. As how this video mentions about strict laws on drugs in South Korea and I currently living in Seoul, I can confirm that it is true.
Why is it illegal to get your hands on those?
@@PiroKUSSI think it's because opioids like heroine, morphine and codeine come from poppies
poppy seeds contain small amounts of opium, But the thing is, it's so little that it won't affect your body
@27:00 until you're forced to play league 15 hours a day and get publicly shamed and harassed non-stop.
U are forgetting that esports and gaming are very well socially accepted in Korean cultur and gaming is seen as a regular job since gaming was the solution to very high unemployment. There was an economic crisis in South Korea in like the 80s and 90s and a lot of ppl didn’t have a job and gaming became the solution so all the jobless ppl became pro players (mostly in Starcraft) and it helped the economy a lot. This is one of the reasons why esports is such a normal thing in Korea and there are whole federal TV channels dedicated to esports.
@@tupoibaran3706 Damn that's crazy, you're still forced to play hours upon hours a day and with all the mainstream attention it's even worse if you perform poorly b/c you have many more eyes on you.
As a Korean American (born in the U.S.) retired gamer (started with WC2, AoE2, Starcraft, etc.) the Korean mentality is not to play innovatively, but to find the best build order and mimic it. So, the "No Meta = No Win" culture makes sense. I always played by trying new and unexpected ways to win, mainly because it was so boring winning the same way, every time. My favorite pastime with LoL was getting toxic players banned by making them so angry by being nice in return, except I haven't played in years.
I love the vocal display of emotion and passion in this documentry.
I wish I could speak about Korean schools, work life balance in different countries besides my own. I do have an interest in people and wish that everyone I know does well in life. I wish the best to all the People in Korea that do well in life stay well and all the people who strive for better days reach that end.
Thank you Dong Haup for this video!
Great video. As a Korean-American who felt a lot of pressure in high school, my outlook on league was quite different from my friends who didn’t care as much about school. Thanks for taking the time to do interviews and research the topic thoroughly; it shows.
Watching the culture and how things go in many Asia countries, I'm thankful to have my parents who actually don't go harsh on me (about achievements or what the neighbors think).
To be honest, I never really expect that I will be emotionally relate in these video especially when mentall inless was brought about these topic. Like I really appreciate these kind of videos. I can finally relate. So yeah, thank you man.
really informative video! I always like when people connect LOL to some actually valuable knowledge like you did here with Korean culture. very well done!
On the note of the penalties for cyber harrassment/stalking. As a K-pop fan, it comes from the fact that there have been multiple cyber harassment campaigns against famous celebrities that caused those celebrities to take their own life. And many times the people who spear headed those campaigns where never held accountable. Also the issue with cyber stalking isn’t specific with just SK, but there are many many stories or both celebrities and normal people being stalked/threatened/harassed online, and those threats not being taken seriously only until the victim has been harmed and killed in some way.
I believe there was a stalking case in Japan where the stalker harassed his victim through dms and emails, but it was not considered harassment by the police and the threats against the victim weren’t taken seriously until the stalker attacked her with a knife and serverly wounded/injured her.
So while the punishments for some of those comments shown in the video might be harsh, it comes from real world events were people lost their lives or were injured and disabled bc of the actions of others.
18:18 Remember when "kys" wasn't bannable? Good ol' days. Gotta love tyler.
good ol days yea
@@kys1453 your name and pfp kek
Just type "Keep Yourself Safe"
@@YehNahYehAyy Thank you, I'll use that from now on
@@vanilleu3003 you can get banned for that? I always see that spammed in CoD alot.
Korean server toxicity makes L9 and Tyler1 toxicity look like a kid’s TV show
Man, this makes me think on how game toxicity differs on every server culture.
Like Philippines, North America, places in Europe, and other places
If we could combine Korean, Japanese, and Finnish cultures, man that would be a utopia. Culturally willing to put in the hard work but understand that we are human (need breaks, excitement, love), boss is part of the team and invites the team for dinners like in Korea but doesn't require 80 hours a week, value education but acknowledges that there's more to life...
@@Action-h7fits more of an issue with the governments and less on the people itself. Germany did similar things but are open aboit the crimes. Japan on the other hand has a very censored take on it if ever about their war crimes. Funny enough their cultures are very intertwined and i think koreans are the majority of the foreigners in the very reclusive Japan. My point is both cultures are quite similar. Both benefited from their respective and similar cultures and both suffer the cons of it
@@Action-h7fskill issue
"When you're in the Philippines you just get a bunch of people screaming "HAHAHAHAHA".
As a Pilipino, I can confirm. Don't sweat tho, it's just casual banter. If you do bad you'll get the same amount of HAHAHAHAs as when you do good.
Pilipinos are like that in real life too hahahaha
I appreciate all videos that highlight how things happening in gaming communities go beyond games and come from wider society and politics. Helps a lot against the illiterate and damaging "keep politics out of gaming" attitude.
3:52 so sad that rumble turned to harpoon the yi, if not yi would be dead.
Damn, now I realized that I'm addicted to Korea's second most famous drug :/
Copium?
@@mikishiro Bro, I don't even know what that is 🤣
I was referring to League of Legends 😋
My friend is a scuba diving instructor here in the philippines, one time he had korean students and they immediately wanted to do more of the advanced stuff.
Of course, they were beginners and its dangerous.
They just insult him saying shit like "shut up i pay you" "teach us or we wont pay".
yeah, koreans treat other people like shit more than other asians, in and out of the internet.
yet they're the loudest to shout stopasianhate. talk about irony.
Lol idiots want to pay so they can drown.
They should stick to beginner 1st before they talk.
"they" come on guys