MCRN Donnager Battleship Breakdown | The Expanse Ships
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- Today we break down the MCRN Donnager-class battleship, pride of the Martian Navy.
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The bridge seems small but its for a different practical reason than you mentioned, the CIC is inside an armoured bunker suspended within a large open space to isolate it from the hull. This keeps the mass of the very thick armour low by enclosing a smaller volume. There are also other bridges, manned for redundancy during combat. These are also bunkers, they are all suspended in the same place on a shock damping structure.
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Thanks. :D I alwasy wondered why the bridge entrances looked so weird. Kind of like a bridge.
Alex Kamal: "She's not some rock-hopper. She's the flagship of the MCRN's Jupiter Fleet. Battleship. Quarter-million tons of bad news."
yippie ka yeah madda shipper.
The MCRN Donnager was a fine ship. She was heavily compartmentalize, brissled with firepower, and members of her class would often outfight more modern ships in hopeless odds. Yet she suffered from the same tainted flaw as all her compatriots. Martian hubris.
That's a fair judgement. If they were fighting anyone else they would have won but against a stealth ship they stood no chance when against a high number of stealth ships its extremely hard to win when your officers are not highly experienced as well.
@@PSC4.1 yup. Protogen´s tactic was to bait her into exhausting herself with too much going on at once. the Donnager was designed to make short work of any capital ship. but a swarm of piranhas? a bull can fight them only so long.
It looks like a lucky missle got through and hit the Donnager in the aft between the drives, I believe it is implied this damaged the reactor in some way, possibly the cooling system, which caused the power issues.
Exactly! I thought this was the reason for engine shutdown the first time I saw it.
Thats how i interpreted it too, not just the multiple missiles but also the rail gun hits was all directed to the aft to disable the multiple reactors. The attack and boarding was clearly to capture the ship possible to plant evidence to frame Earth. The rail gun hits clearly gone through the donny as you could see all the way though the bulkheads.
@@Dazzxp yes, and /but it is implied in the book that a heavy railgun would just go through anything, anyways, there is no armor against it, you just have to avoid the hits, or tank them.
"I didn't think we would lose"
I'd love to follow a leader who could admit her own mistake no matter how big it is.
I thought she said “could”
Reminds me of the Pegasus in BSG.
Too little too late
She didnt have much screen time but she made very second of it amazing. From her demeanor to her personality. I would have loved to see a lot more of her
@@tsrgames5669 I heard 'could' as well, which in a way is just admitting a bit more hubris.
Correction: The bridge was more of a bridge unit really, of which there were many on the ship. The idea was that if a control room was destroyed, the crew could relocate to a new unit, and if needed, appoint new officers. They were well insulated and iirc they're also suspended from shock.
Source: I've seen the show like 7-8 times now. Also Spacedock.
Daniel from spacedock did an amazing and official breakdown of the ships. His is the definitive article. And canon.
I thought in Leviathan Wakes, the idea was there were 3 bridges (each small isolated bunkers basically), Command, Engineering, and I can't remember the third... They could all take over the duties from the others, and if two out of three were captured, the third can self destruct the ship.
@@PsychoMuffinSDM I think the third was a mock CIC.
@@mattstorm360
“We are moving with all speed to the keel elevator banks,” Kelly said through the radio link. “They’re locked down because of the boarding alarm, but I can get the doors open on one and we’ll float down the shaft to the hangar bay. Everything is on the double. If you see boarders, do not stop. Keep moving at all times. We’ll handle the hostiles. Roger that?”
“Roger, Lieutenant,” Holden gasped out. “Why board you?”
“The command information center,” Alex said. “It’s the holy grail. Codes, deployments, computer cores, the works. Takin’ a flagship’s CIC is a strategist’s wet dream.”
“Cut the chatter,” Kelly said. Holden ignored him.
“That means they’ll blow the core rather than let that happen, right?”
“Yep,” Alex replied. “Standard ops for boarders. Marines hold the bridge, CIC, and engineering. If any of the three is breached, the other two flip the switch. The ship turns into a star for a few seconds.”
“Standard ops,” Kelly growled. “Those are my friends.”
The main reason the stealth ships had even a chance of boarding the Donnager was that the attack happened during peacetime. During peacetime they only had enough solders on board to board small pirate ships, the wartime contingent would have been much bigger with additional special units like the marsian marines. They also thought that the would never get into CQB so that the solders weren't prepaired to repell an attack and many crewmembers weren't even wearing space suits and died after the first few railgun hits. Additionaly they fired only one torpedo salvo expecting that to be enought and the torpedo hit near the engines could have damaged the reactor/cooling systems.
All very very true - a large proportion of the Marines could also have been left on Phoebe station as the station was ofcourse abandoned.
I love how the expanse has enough depth to flush these details out
They did have marines on board in the book, the boarders just managed to take one of the key points, they do not specify which one. Once the crew lost a key point they detonated the reactor.
The reactor was indeed damaged by a plasma torpedo, based on the configuration the reactor housing would have been situated closer to the aft. It's still be deeper inside with layers armor and hull plating, but plasma warheads were specifically design to melt those layers. Exposing and possibly causing critical subsystem damage, in this case it would have breached part of the reactor and caused a serious thermal spike. Triggering an emergency shutdown to prevent any further damage as more then likely certain key components for the coolant system for the reactor was more then likely damaged if not out right destroyed. Believe it or not even fusion reactors need some form of coolant to keep some things manageable, otherwise it will melt the housing and thereby the bulkhead.
@@maclennanld You are right, in the books there are two keep points on the ships: the first is the bridge (as it controls the ship) and the second is engineering (as it controlled the life support systems (air and heating)) - this means that the boarders reached engineering.
The reason the Donnager was lost was because they never deployed the escort fleet in her hanger. In the books there were other ships in her hanger, they only took the Tachi because it was already prepped as the standby ship. They saw the other ships weeks in advance and never prepped the escorts to intercept them as they should. It was really dumb to risk a capital ship like that. Also there's 2k crew on the Donnager, don't know how they lost the ship to the boarding crew too. Yeah Protogen had some advance tech but it wasn't OP, they were getting killed by Martian tech too.
Trained marines are good but marines that are trained and have actually seen combat are rarer and much more effective, from what it looked like the officers (weapons, pilots and engineers) were inexperienced as far as warfare goes. Its simple, they didn't use their numbers to overwhelm them and even if they did typically the marines compliment on the ship were the only ones with weapons (rifles, pistols. Grenades etc.) were the only ones who could make the countercharge and at the same time they are mercs, Mercenaries were probably the only ones who actually have fighting experience as most of the vets from any wars prior were either dead, training new marines or assigned to different posts.
Perfect time for this video, just finished the series. Long way to go until S5 though
Only like 6 months, a lot better than 6 months ago lmao
I'm on my 3rd watch and I'm 3 chapters in to book 1. Hope to get through all the books by the time season 5 comes out
Richard McNeal correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t there another coming out later this year as well as the current 8?
I'm starting to read the books for the expense
@@joshuaandrewvives9676 what did it cost?
no internal damage? You remember that Railgun round that blew right through it and took somebodys head midway with it? Also one torpedo hit the main reactor housing, so its likely that the cooling system got damaged and so the reactor was overheating and had to be shut down/lower the output, same for the power divertion to the railguns.
The command bunkers on the ship *might* be able to stop railgun hits, but I doubt anything else on the ship was sufficiently protected to do so. This was probably a design consideration to reduce overall mass.
@@tackytrooper much like later US battleships.
I love this ship so much, i bought a custom made MTG playmat with the donnager as art on it.
In retrospective, Yao should have ordered the preperation of the corvettes.
At that time, she would have achieved strenght in numbers.
But her hubris tho.
Oooh, I want one.
Quite a shame we saw two vessels of this class get scrapped in Season 4. :(
I'm still pissed about the martians in the last season. Who cares about some random habitable planets, you've got Mars for fucks sake!
the issue was why wait for the terraforming project to complete when planets with breathable air were ready to colonize
@@MrPobanz Mars isn't habitable. It's not very useful, either. It is in a paradigm where it's the next most habitable rock in the solar system, after Earth and Luna, but in a world where there are thousands of new, unclaimed, habitable worlds, you'd be a damned fool to stick to Mars. Best to establish somewhere you don't need to live in tunnels and under domes.
@@magisterrleth3129 I'd rather continue on improving my home instead of wandering off to some random rock, even if it has breathable air. Not to forget that Mars made them the people they are, but maybe its for the better if those leave who only stayed there because it happened to be their place of birth.
@@MrPobanz
As they pointed out in the show, Martian scientists are arguably the best in the system, and they'd likely command a premium salary, as well as other opportunities, on another planet. And they'd also be able to get the first choice of real estate on those planets, with the possibility of their descendants being leaders in the new planetary government.
The designers never played Elite Dangerous, all the great parts in the world won't help if you don't have a strong enough power supply to wield them.
Oh man, ain't that the truth! "Deploying weapons... aaannnnd my Frameshift, cargo hatches, interdictors, planetary scanners, and primary life support are offline. Good thing I bought the A-rated life support. I need to wrap up this fight in 25:00 minutes or less."
@@zhaimorenn8273 Glad to read that i am not the only one who tested that :D but i mostly do the combo with Stealth enabled.
Realistically speaking, you can only make your reactor so big, and draw so much power. There's always some waste heat with electronics and nuclear reactors. It's rather hard to radiate heat in space. Running all systems at full blast from a more powerful reactor might just cook the crew.
@@zhaimorenn8273 ive never upgrade life support pass D
@@Raeinok I get it, definitely, but in the early days of Elite, when I wasn't willing to wait for the A-Grade reactor but wanted the weapons to sunder gods with, I realized that 7.5 minutes of air is a little too thin a threshold to gamble on. Didn't want my overgunned Vulture to die from lack of that sweet sweet O2. Nowadays it's D-grade life support all the way and A grade reactors for anything that fights.
Hubris killed the Donnie
I legit thought this was just space dock re doing his Donnager video
I feel like the only real tactical error the Protogen ships made was staying close to the Donnager when their boarding teams had gotten aboard and her guns had fallen silent. I would have assumed scuttling would have been a potential outcome b/c that's something I would have done in Yao's circumstances. So why not back off to a safe distance, match course with the Donnie, go dark and then make minor course alterations to mask your true location? If the ship blows up, you still have 2 stealth ships. If it doesn't, you move to the next stage of your plan, which honestly would have probably been to ransack their data stores, THEN destroy the ship. Add to that, if any ships had made good an escape from the Donnager, those two ships ghosting her would have been optimally positioned to intercept.
From the very beginning, the should've just snuck in close behind her (maybe there were sensor blind spots) and launched breaching pods when they got in close.
I believe it was mentioned some of the books that only Martians have a self destruct features on their warships, in fact, I think only the Donnager class have them and only the Captains and bridge officers are aware of that feature. Honestly, I think it is a stupid idea, a warship is not just something you can produce by snapping your fingers, it requires a massive amount of money, material resources, and thousands of manhour just to bring it to life. Its a very costly investment. Adding a self destruct undervalues the worth of said weapons but it represents a fatal weakness an enemy could exploit, granted it would be difficult but not impossible. However, I think Captain Yaos' biggest mistake was to not have an escort tagging along the Donnager, as a flagship operating solo is just painting a target on your back.
@@spencerross9140 I don't disagree on the need to deny one's tech from the enemy, I disagree on the method, all they had to do from preventing the enemy from stealing their tech would be to setup scuttling charges in key areas of the ship, along with slag charges or acid packs to destroy sensitive equipment, computers, and databanks, even computer viruses and etc. But placing a big F-bomb inside your billion-dollar warship is just plain stupid and a big security risk, what happens if some terrorists get those self-destruct codes and blow the ships while in battle? As for the Belters getting Martian warships, it was the Martian themselves who sold it illegally I might add, so you are just proving my point, again
It seems hubris is not a Martian monopoly.
Protogen was a corporation ran by plutocrats and their mercenaries were just space age blackwater, got the gear, think themselves badass, and not actually a military force. They might not know about standard Martian military protocols, especially since the technological advantage of Mars in the solar system means they prefer to keep a tight lid on how their ships work.
Although, UNN battleships also come with a self destruct as we see in Caliban's War.
After going back and reading the Donnager battle in Leviathan Wakes, it made me wish that we got to see more badassery by the Martian marines during that part of the show
I do appreciate that they showed more of the ship to ship battle and Captain Yao's decision making in the show; that was an excellent choice in adaptation.
Jules Pierre Mao's company Protogen we are told built these stealth ships and we know he was working with Mars too. It's very possible he had engineers design this power issue into the Donnager thus giving his stealth ships a back door to attack it. Or maybe he had scooped up this classified design flaw along the way since he was well connected with the Mars elites and made sure his stealth fleet knew of this flaw.
Otherwise, we must assume it was just a coincidence that the stealth ships came across this flaw in the middle of a battle against a much heavier armed ship and that's an even weaker proposition.
In my opinion the power issue wasn't as big as it seems to be, because yes, they need to divert power to the railguns from other parts of the ship in order to fire them, however the main drive overloading was the result of a direct hit on the reactor housing ( as seen at 6:31 and mentioned in dialogue aswell in the show)
"Martian engineering is top notch"
Yes, yes it is...
Yes, kudos to Captain Yao for preventing the capture of her ship. People who read Persepolis Rising and Tiamat's Wrath know what I'm talking about.
7:48 the image shows that there was a torpedo hit on main reactor housing.(in the episode this was at 10min 56 sec) so likely the power issues were made far worse
SpaceDock has the Donnager Crew compliment at 2086. They state in the battle they had splash on 4/6 of the enemies smaller corvettes. We see how small they are inside in the pilot episode. How did just two of these carry enough boarding troops to force the Donnager to scuttle the ship?
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Power overload happened because they hit reactor. U see this big hole between engines. 7:15
Behemoth is totally different pair of scissors. They tap extra devices to existing power network. Network that is not designed to support this devices and u have power failure.
Thanks for the informative content! The Expanse is one of those 'right time - right place' shows that people have turned to amidst all the 'get woke, go broke' insanity. Like the Orville, people turned to these shows and were surprised at their fantastic quality.
I've watched it end to end three, some places 5 or 6 times. It is damn fine.
When the book described it as a building on its side I immediately imagined it as Chicago's Sears Tower. Tall, dark and boxy.
Wahahaha, I'm so glad you're as addicted to the Expanse as I am. Glad you're having too much fun!
😭Such a good show.
@@GenerationFilms Agreed, and it came at the right time too. I had almost given up on good sci-fi shows being a thing lately.
The ship had several coms-decks (bridges) not just one (atleast 3) and as seen in the show she was often called away to deal with issues on each different one. Each of these can also be vented off separately to the ship.
I also belive that the engines were overload not just because of power but also because they took damage from the torpedoes that hit the rear of the ship (as shown again in the show).
As stated by another member in the comments, he/she finds it stupid how the ship was over run, the donnerger was a massive ship and therefore held alot of personnel. Also only one of the stealth ships managed to get off its breaching pods - so how many men really could have boarded she ship... not many. So how were they overrun? A likely reason is that they breached at strategic location (engineering and the command decks), this is backed up as you can see them cutting through the door to coms-decks one moments before the ship self-destructed, so they were quick and likely formed chokepoints so it was near impossible for the Martian Marines to take them out. But the Martian Marines should have overwhelmed them yes. My theory to this is that they left most of the Martian Marine stationed on the ship on Phoebe station as they were sent to investigate the station and found it abandoned, therefore the ship was probably operating on a skeleton crew of Martian Marines.
Other points:
Why didn't she ship deploy the Tacchi to assist the donnager in the battle? The Captain was probably too confident, plus the stealth ships were superior so she probably didn't want to risk damaging the Tacchi.
Also it was never stated that it was the donnager that the captain used to cleanse the belt of pirates, not saying it wasn't, just saying it wasn't stated, so maybe the ship wasn't used for anti piracy, but maybe it was.
Please feel free to add your thought or challenge what I have stated here.
They had time to fight through half the ship to get to Holden's crew. They had time to construct makeshift emergency airlock and get the crew into the spacesuit. They had time to get from crew quarters to hangar bay, and I think, they are not close ))
@@Kobainishe Very true and yes you are so right and I dont have a counter argument, I don't belive it was a stupid battle but maybe not as realistic as this was the martian army/navy which was meant to have the best marines and strongest military ships - this was also their flagship so a simple boarding party shouldn't have been successful. The only reasons I can give is that the ship had a skeleton crew of Marines as: many were left on Phoebe station, the ship may have been rushed to leave the Jupiter-fleet - therefore wasn't fully crewed from the beginning, and as Madtoffle Premium states in a different comment it was peace time so they most likely didn't have as many Marines on the ship as they would have if they were at war.
Another thing to consider and don't quote me on this, but (according to show canon) the Protogen employees had undergone some irreversible psychic altering. I think most of them (and not only Cortazar) were in fact made into psychopaths capable of disregarding their and everyone else's life for the purpose of continuing the protomolecule research project. In fact I am certain the MCRN marines encountered one Protogen survivor that spat blood in their faces laughing, not caring his arm just got blown off in combat.
What I'm trying to say is such people can be a great instrument of war, and even a small number of them are capable of dealing great damage to an enemy who despite heavy combat training still has limitations such as self-reservation instinct.
Also, as stated in other comments, the Donnager seems to be pretty understaffed at that moment.
@@YDSimeonov completely agree with you, the ship did seem to be understaffed. Also the Captain mentions that most of her men had only used simulations to train for battle - this could easily be the same for the Martian Marines too. So unexperienced, understaffed Marines could well lose against protogen soldiers who has had their minds altered.
Another great Expanse video, Ben. Was it me or was the Donnie’s bridge inside it own bunker. It appeared to be in an open space without corridors.
It was, and there were several like it on the ship for redundancy.
Thumbnail made me thing this was a spacedock video.
TheLPRnetwork same fellow spacedock fan
The only thing that kicks me is somehow the protogen commandos from 2 amun-ra's, cant have been more than 100-150 guys can somehow beat a ship with 2000 MCRN sailors aboard? did the flagship not carry Recon units? I get the plot needs to go forwards but that always sorta annoyed me....
Actually, I believe, the drives overloaded not really because of the power consuption, but probably the damage it received on the main reactor housing, which likely damaged reactor systems causing power issues.
Green crew and over confident captain. It's a shame Donnager could have prolonged the engagement and come out on top.
Have you done the UNN Agatha King? It might be interesting talking about an older ship that had lots of problems. That's my favorite part of the Expanse; it feels lived in.
Still can't figure out how a missile, which would theoretically be a self contained unit that just needs a simple ignition command and tracking data, could overload anything.
The donager was the flagship of the martian fleet.
The main drive had to be shutdown due to damage, not power consumption, the drive took two torpedoes and unknown number of railgun hits,
The ship's greatest weakness was her inexperienced crew led by a minimally experienced captain.
Clearly they havent seen anime, all you need to do to get more power is scream for like 20 minutes.
the Donnager can hold 6 corvette class vessels or 12 Morrigan class patrol destroyers, which were designed to fit nose to nose in the docking bay
Main drive overloaded not from running the rail guns but because that torpedo hit astern damaged the reactor control systems, more than likely.
Im working through the first season, why wouldn't a capital ship have fighter or corvette escort.
The Donnager usually releases a complement of frigates or fast attack ships before a battle - and even then, usually against lowly pirate scum.
In this case, she did not expect the enemy to have matching or superior technology to the MCRN Donnager, and assumed it as OPA or pirates.
And the crew were inexperienced anyways; they only experienced true combat in simulations, save for the Captain and some officers and marines.
@@delos9940 That's just dumb, as soon as they realized they couldn't figure out the class of ship it should have been 100% all hands to battle stations.
Its a shame we didnt see any of the Donnager class in action in the war. I have a really strong feeling all the UN-MCR war was practically avoided in the show except a few mentions and even fewer small skirmishes. I think it gets a lot more attention in the book but hey its not the first story arc they skipped for whatever reason (Havelocks story on board Edward Israel in 4th season for example) and i am affraid its not the last either.
We saw several; in S03, the UN conference / meeting room's holo-table feautured several Donnager-class on Ganymede.
I love this beauty of a ship
5:37 The servicemen on the bridge would have been bridge officers not crewmen.
Nah, they're probably OSs.
Enlisted men work the controls on actual Navy bridges. Officers give orders, sailors do work.
They're bridge is more of a combat control center if I remember correctly. OSs run the console and stations of that sort. OS is an enlisted rate.
Do the Agatha King
Mars will prevail
Though the show is great I have to say I prefer Recon Marines from the books over the movie versions. The hanger bay fight and the full on platoon fight on Ganymede later on are way better in the books. I get it's for budget reasons that they weren't expanded but yeah
"Didn't exactly seem to be able to penetrate the bulkhead of the Donnager with their fire"?
Uh whatnow?
Have you completely forgotten about the death of Shep?!?!? or "We're Surrounded by Hard Vaccuum" ?
Donnager's CIC might have been airtight but a good portion of the rest of the ship was swiss cheese BEFORE they were boarded...
The power issues make sense, engineering wise. the sustainable power output of a military space craft would be limited by its capacity to shed or retain waste heat. use of radiators would be limited by the need to protect vulnerable structures. With the existing hard limit on power consumption, it makes sense to fit a military vessel with as much firepower as it can possible get away with, and then some for redundancy. So "all guns blazing"-mode would push the limits of either power supply or heat capacity very quickly, the armament would be designed to fire in turns, letting some cool off while others continue. So you could use 4 railguns for a one-off decisive volley, if you had no other energy sinks running and enough time to let them cool and recharge after, or you could fire them one by one in a rolling pattern, to maximise barrell life,, and continue superior fire volume even if some get taken out. I could imagine even Nelson-time ships of the line of the sailing age would have been hard pressed to fire absolutely everything at once.
So it was more a fault of Jiao´s commando than of the Donnager´s design. She lost focus and her reckless fire command brought her ship into a vulnerable position.
One small thing, I think the only reason the Donnager's drive overloaded because they had one torpedo do a direct hit on the main reactor housing.
If they didnt get that one hit in, they might not have had to shut down the drive.
CQB experience was only simulated because CQB like, NEVER happens, the Donnager crew had plenty of experience, not much shooting war experience becuase there hadnt been many since the Martian Revolution
Ok, but can someone actually explain wtf happened to the first Donnager missile barrage?
Seems like the writers just forgot about it...
And ladies and gentlemen, even with such an advanced high tech in the MCRN, Captain Yao still hold a war water bottle. Guess that's some irresistible old Chinese essences from the ancestors even we travel in space hahaha. But I do think MCRN has great leaders, like the Captain on the Hammurabi. And take another look at Admiral Nyuguen from the UN Navy, who seemed eagerly to start a war for his own personal revenge. He is not the only one who lost families during the previous war. And that's why I admired Southern and Avasrala for their competence at their position and the responsibility of the humanity.
Actually, that was not the bridge but the CIC. Most probably, the bridge was a separate room... but then, it looks like they were built with redundancy in mind as you can see several “bunkers” like the one housing the CIC.
Protogen mercs were nihilistic fanatics. It's hard to fight a boarding party that doesn't care if they die and truly believe they are fighting for the greater good of the human race. The Martians, while the best standing military in the system, are not on the same wavelength of fanaticism as the Protogen goons. All things considered, Donnager did a pretty good job. As you pointed out Yao had a bit of hubris, if she was playing by the book she would have deployed the Tachi already as escort and initial contact to the incoming unknown. Furthermore, she was down one escort, Donnager holds 2 Tachi class escorts but I think the other one was off doing something at the time.
American Ben I'm not American Brian a guy from rush I ain't rushing Dave a guy from Saudi Arabia ain't hodgy Saudi Arabia
Weird but SpaceX Crew Dragon has multifunction displays, a step forward to this.
Considering the Donnager was a flagship, I agree that the crew should not have been green. They would have been the cream of the crop.
Personally I think the ship bridge was limited because of budget and the scene and backdrop crews because you look at bridges from later ships in later seasons and they are far more "advanced" or at least designed with more experience from the set crews it seemed.
Why do you call the Amunra frigats fighter???? You guys even made a video about how there are no space fighters in the expense!
Donnager can actual fit 4 rail guns if Stretch its reactor to the limit, I think Donnager’s main technical flaw is it’s reactor, it’s slightly underpowered despite all its Martian ingenuity
It’s kinda annoying to hear this described as a flagship. I don’t believe it had a flag officer aboard.
Flagships have an Admiral aboard!
Great Vídeo about a great ship. I want to deploy things the way the bridge officers do on the screens...it's awesome!!
So, the Martians are SF Giants fans (1:30)? No wonder I don't like them. (i'm a Dodger fan☺)
I guess I'm finding out that I hate poetry. I love the content but starting each video with poetic book excerpts drives me up the wall.
I thought the Donny was an incredible design and engineering!!!!
Only disagreement,
She didn't die of misfortune,
but of hubris.
So the captain's supposed to stand up all day she hadn't got a captain's chair that's ridiculous a captain should be able to sit down and be comfortable in giving orders I mean they will have a maybe 8 hour shift standing up
I agree with the protocol of asset denial. They wouldn't have boarded the ship unless they wanted to capture it. This would send a message that capturing the ship will be a lot harder then they first thought.
tbh the Donnager can take out a dozen stealth ships, arrogance and lack of info was what killed the Donnager, throw some extra torps and it would have been solved
maybe if the captain knew how to use the holographic display they would have won. she swipes one way and it goes the other way. its okay, Alex screws it up to
They are called volumetric displays, not holographic
Looks like a UNSC frigate mix with a Tantive IV
The stealth ships tactics looks strange. With their stealth they could get in range of their railguns and fire one salvo at the same time with the missles so Donnager would have no time to react. Instead they go into battle like ordinary ships.
I love it. Best sci-fi show to date.
Andy Bennington one of the best sci fi series ever
well they were fighting against cloak ships which they had no idea where a thing. the ships tricked the torps and the rail gun locking was not working.
really beating a dead horse on the Expanse videos.......
The mcrn should have been able to repel the borders it was suppose to be carrying platoons of marines
Would you be able to talk about the funny gravity on The astroid. It made their drinks do funny things. Would you be able to explain the funny gravitational field inside these astroid colonies?
Coriolis
I'll give them props when they start going warhammer 40k and do voidcraft arming as a standered practice
Power consumption of the rail guns would be an interesting topic to cover later on. I think this, partly because in the 4th season, the Rocinante had a rail gun fitted, but it had its own batteries that would charge slowly off of the reactor, and then it would not affect the rest of the ship's electrical system to fire it.
I thought the Donnager was less than 500 meters long.
It don't make no logical sense that the captain has to stand up all day while the lower ranking crew gets to sit down
What kind of Marsians don't praise the Omnisia once?
She doesn't actually say that the Donnager fought pirates, only that she fought pirates. It wouldn't make much sense imo to deploy your capital flagship against pirates when smaller ships like fighters or corvettes would do. As a flagship it's firepower is no doubt immense, but completely overkill (I'm assuming here, that pirates would not have the resources or capability to build their own capital ships). Besides which; considering the political tensions at the time, it seems like a disastrous idea to put your flagship so far away from Mars in case Earth attacked or whatever.
thing is the donnie probably wouldn't have had anything else to do at jupiter than take down pirates
It baffles me that they let such an incompetent crew to pilot such an expensive, capable and great propaganda machine ship. When 6 stealth ships approach you, you know you’re superior in every way, so they must have a strategy confident enough to attack you in such a suicide move.
Most had never seen combat
I still cant reconcile the number of designs having multiple engines, but all of them pointed in one direction, especially a monster like the Navuu! Absolute insanity that it wasnt able to maneuver itself, yeah I know it was supposed to just cruise in a straight line for decades, but come on, some ability to maneuver after hundreds of years in space had to have been a minimal requirement. If I was building a ship with more than one, I would start with two facing opposite each other and build around that so I could preserve the most momentum and RCS fuel by not having to swing the whole thing around for braking maneuvers.
Thats just me. I myself would prefer that, I would also have the entire command deck able to mount on various points over the entire ship, so it could be present for precision maneuvers for docking or loading or stowed aft or even internally for battle or high speed maneuvers. My ship would be covered in arms all up and down its length, preferably one that I can move as needed like the command deck.
You want the engines all pointed in one direction because the engines are where the ship's gravity comes from. If you had engines pointed in other directions, you would have problems with people and equipment being thrown across the deck, or flung into the ceiling. I.e. bad.
Wouldn't the captain need a chair for high G maneuvers? Also there's the big space with people walking around on catwalks that seems a bit incongruous for a warship.
They hadn't planned for high g maneuvers. It's just pirates, what's the worst that can happen. If they drop something they can just reduce or increase thrust a little and it goes past. The enemy was never meant to get inside minimum effective torpedo range.
It could hold 8 ships? I thought it was only 2… sweet Jesus
Love your content my guy, been re-washing the expanse lately and your content on the lore and stuff is so good! keep it up American Ben! Also love the bros over at Gen Tech too!
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*stealth ships are watching this*
The bridge crew were asking a Lieutenant what to do. That's an O-3 in the Navy, but you'd think the flagship wouldn't have a bunch of jr officers in charge
Had the captain unleashed every single torpedo she could while still at range, yeah they probably would've been evicerated
I would've liked a line from the bridge crew during the power failure noting that the attacks hadn't concentrated on the power core, other vital systems, or the structure, have a pause and then show them understanding that triggering the power failure was the objective
When I watched it, it wasn't immediately clear that they had anticipated the captain's behavior would overload the donnager's power core or at least reeeeally hoping that it would ( in her defense she had no choice and probably never imagined a scenario where that was even possible, the video even mentions the martians did not forget to keep in mind power supply issues)
"They hit the main reactor housing" was line by the weapons' officer when on protagen torpedo got through and hit the very aft of the ship. That lead to power failure when all power was being pushed to rail guns.
one point that was neither practical nor reasonable, yet rather common (and even highlighted in the books): since most of the expanse ships seem to be armored with tin foil, what the heck is the point of superheavy railguns: trade one of those for 6 light versions, and you have the same reach but significantly more cqb capability
have a heavy enough slug to retain enough integrity to go all the way through in one piece and wreck every system in its path. Shattering 6 1-pound slugs in the 3rd deck is a waste of tungsten if you can put 1 2-kilo slug through the reactor housing from any angle.
Stupid battle, stupid death. They had plenty of time to launch the frigate, which could greatly help. And what were the crew doing during the boarding? It's a huge ship full of soldiers, against small ship's crew.
Check my other post in the comments for some answers to these points 😁
Could we make one before 2050 to 2100 ?
Donnagers bridge just looks so...cheap, basic.
Yeah I don't think they had money... yet, the scirocco class had a much better bridge
the rocinate is better designed than its mothership... it's railgun power systems are independent of the main power and can fire multiple shots without the engine
the roci didn't have a railgun until season 4
Please make a video about Starblazers (Space Battleship Yamato). Thank you.
Maybe someday Alcon will release blueprints for all these awesome ships. I would love qmx to do a set like they did for a certain firefly class Mid bulk transport