I recall it was mentioned in the books that the MCRN had eight Donnagers as of the start of Leviathan Wakes. The Donnager was obviously lost, and later the Sagamatha. So wondering where the 20 Donnagers came from?
You can't get the size of a naval fleet ( or locomotives of a railroad) from hull/penant numbers, it's like trying guess the number of players on a baseball team from the player's numbers, the hull numbers identify the unit and sometimes the class it is in, not the number of ships in a overall fleet, especially as hull numbers get retired and reused. Look at the hull numbers of the US Navy for a historic example on Wikipedia or NavSource. The USS New Jersey is BB-62, which while making it the 62 battleship built for the US Navy, doesn't mean the US had at least 62 battleships in WW2, or the Gulf War when there was only the 4 Iowa-class BBs! 😄
With naval ships as a standard rule of thumb, you need 3 to ensure one is at sea, because the other two or either in a shipyard undergoing a refit or is tied up to the dock for a maintenance/training/crew leave period. So if you want six frigates on patrol at all times, you need 18 frigates in you naval fleet. That is why the UK has an issue with only having 2 QE-class carriers, the plan is to use amphibious assault ships with flight decks that can handle F35 fighters to partially cover those gaps when either carrier is not available.
Mars built 8 Donnager class Battleships. The Donnager, Bellare, Hotspur, Icaria Planum, Harman Dae-Jung, Firebrand, Barkeith, and Schiaparelli. In the TV Series, the Donnager was destroyed in Season 1 and the Schiaparelli was destroyed later defending the ring. Season 6 mentions another Donnager class built in preparation to fight Inaros, but I don't think it is named in the show. Definitely not 20 Donnager class warships unless the books are significantly different than the series.
Where did this stuff about “inertial dampers” 12:00 come from? That’s some Star Trek kind of gravity control, there is absolutely nothing like that in the Expanse.
I think it is a mistake to equate numbers on ships as a counter representing the actual number of ships in a particular class. For example, the destroyer USS Zumwalt is designated as DDG1000. I don't believe there is actually 1000 Zumwalt class destroyers in service with the US Navy. Also look at the designation of our submarine fleet.
This came immediately to mind. We have absolutely nothing to base that assumption on, in fact it would make more sense if the hull numbers were not sequential to disguise the size of the fleet.
Case in point, the Donnager has the hull number 84. That class was introduced as part of the fleet modernisation program which included the Morrigan and Corvette classes, so are we to assume that the entire Martian fleet before the Donnager was less than 80 ships, in and out of commission?
My question of the series is, why would Mars dismantle spaceships? Would you convert them to freighters, training, orbital platforms around an asteroid, convert to a space telescope platform or even an orbital radar station after the the one on the moon Phobos was destroyed? The other question I have about radar in expanse is, I would imagine camera tech being so wide spectrum and sharp that stealth would be useless as a camera could spot objects beyond human vision. Also combined with ultra powerful computing DSP, be able to see out a stealth or even a cloaked ship?
The MCRN had a lot of damaged ships during the war with Earth, so instead of repairing them it is more cost effective to strip them down using critical components for some new ship builds and just scrap the rest. Additionally the Mars economy was based around terraforming, and now that the ring gates connected 1,000 habitable worlds the economy crashed so they can't sustain a larger expensive Navy like they had before. They don't give specifics but I would assume some of the larger MCRN Warships would be stripped of offensive weapons and sensitive systems and converted into colonial vessels as transports for transit to the Laconia Ring Gate.. As for stealth ships they really are not that invisible to scans, they can only really hide with the drives shut down or in a large battle with multiple ships, where sensors would bypass them for larger signatures. Other then that yes they show up like a regular ship or maybe a smaller vessel that would be considered non-military. Yes optical and LADAR / RADAR tech has increased in the 24th century but so has stealth tech but space is big and if they detect a drifting object they won't point imagery scopes at one of hundreds with in detection range. Stealth ships operate in formations with other ships and cut their drives while approaching enemy ships on other vectors so when the battles start they hide amidst the clutter of heat signatures in a small zone of space. A tight formation of Stealth Ships can disguise their drive plums together making 8 ships decelerating towards a target appear as one drive plum on sensors and optical imaging until they flip into attack position
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 I saw the battle of six stealth ships against the Donniger. It was epic. Today’s tech allowed us to spot Oumuaamoua. James Webb is so sensitive it can see a bumblebee size object on the moon. I think the detection tech would be able to spot the stealth tech and outpace it. The DSP would allow for filtering of all objects detected with cameras, radar, flir, LiDAR, etc faster than any supercomputer used today.
@@GG-si7fw They are capable of detecting stealth ships if they are directly looking for them (even the sensors of the Cant picked up something if I remember correctly) however you would have to look in the right spot (space is BIG) and do that constantly. Additionally, using active radat basically gives enemy torpedos a guide beacon directly to your ship so you would want to use it sparingly in combat situations. About camera tech: The ships are visible in the show because we as the viewer need to be able to see them, without navigation light, they would just be a black outline against the mostly black background. For normal objects, you can use infrared as they are significantly hotter than the sourrunding space but stealth ships cool their hull for exactly that reason. In conclusion, stealth is not really about making it impossible to spot, but rather impractical.
In S1E2 The Donnager is able to detect the presence of the Protogen stealth ships, but is not able to determine the size or number of ships until they power up their drives.
I'm not even 3 minutes in and I see a major flaw in your calculations. You say a ship with a hull number of 512 is proof of a minimum number of 512 ships. That just isn't the case. Ship numbers can vary wildly and have many reasons for their designations. It's very unlikely the first Martian ship was labeled '1' and went up from there with every new commissioned ship, regardless of class or function. Not to mention any ships that would have been lost to skirmishes or accidents over the years; again, making it a poor notion that 512 is the minimum amount. That being said, I paused the video to make this comment, so maybe you address it.
Agreed but the video seems to be a best guess. He even states it's an extrapolation based on what we see on screen. I think some of it is off because I believe there were only 8 Donnager class ships and the Donny was destroyed leaving 7 left. Of course they could have built more after the Donny was destroyed and/or during the war. Again it's a best guess as we are not given any exact numbers. I haven't read the books but from what I have read online they don't give much on the numbers either.
A very interesting breakdown. One minor issue: a pennant number doesn't necessarily imply that many ships in service but that that many ships have BEEN in service during the fleet's history. For example the pennant number of HMS Dauntless (D33) should not be taken to imply that there are Currently 33 Royal Navy destroyer-class vessels, or even 33 major RN warships in total.
It does with with the Martian navy though, as the Morrigans are clearly the FIRST ever destroyers to roll off the nations yards. Current Royal Navy destroyer pennant numbers started in 1948, so the specific ship you mentioned (HMS Dauntless) is the 32nd destroyer (the number 13 is not used for superstitious reasons) to have gone down the yards since 1948, of various classes.
I love the Donnager class BB. Two huge railguns, amazing PD coverage, large torpedo battery and marine contingent for boarding actions. When I first saw the Martian ship designs in the show compared to the decrepid UN ships the Martian ships are undoubtedly better designs with much more modern tech and build quality. I´d bet my money on Mars everytime.
Martians served for 27 years, it means minimum 1/5 of them are in the military, so over 2bln personnel. Their ship strength probably millions of ships.
Just an FYI: it’s “Jovian” rather than “Juh-hovian”. And “Scirocco” is pronounced “Sher-rock-oh”; not “Sick-car-oh”. Hope that helps for future vids. Nice rundown BTW.
Railguns are laser tech using particle accelerators to launch and guide kinetic projectiles particularly Planetary Railguns that are large laser arrays projecting guided missiles. Torpedoes and PDC's are smaller weapons systems that require less space on ships making them more common. Laser scanning and targeting are used for everything. So basically The Expanse ships use lasers that have a kinetic warhead.
Focusing lasers is not limited by our technology, but by physics. So we cannot get around the fact that laser light spreads out over distance, making it less damaging. On the other hand, with the insane engines of the expense, kinetic weapons are made way more powerful. A missile can hit hundreds of thousands of kilometers away, with its full force (maybe even more force than close range, because it could accelerate longer). In the books lasers are used against people (in the ring station from beginning of season 2). That laser is defeated by a special smoke grenade. And people have ablative armor that can protect against lasers. Also, the existence of the Epstein drive shows that they are able to create very heat resistant/reflective materials, the same kind of material should defend against lasers quite well? I guess the idea is: there are all sorts of ways to protect against lasers (reflective armor/ clouds, ablative armor, rolling the ship, actively cooled armor) & lasers require continuous time on target to do damage. But protecting yourself from a solid object which moves at many kilometers per second is really hard & colliding objects each do damage even with one hit.
@@kedrednael During season 3 in the slow zone the Behemoth used its comm laser on the ring core missing with the first shot, so lasers appear like you said to only be effective at closer ranges.
@@SurfTrekTonics But it only missed because the laser was physically damaged/ misaligned by the slowdown deceleration. Hitting lasers is the easiest thing in the world, when they aren't broken. It's much easier than hitting bullets, which have to deal with barrel flexing, recoil, time-to-target (so improvements in the aim cannot be made instantaneous), vibration. With 'focusing laser is limited by physics' I don't mean aiming it. I mean the light spreads out, so when it hits the target, less energy is delivered per area, less damage occurs, protection is easier. I wonder what would have happened if the laser did hit the ring. Could the proto-molecule have changed how much energy photons carry? Maybe that means you don't lose energy through infrared radiation anymore, and everybody would die of heatstroke inside the slow zone (except if they turn the thermostat down I guess). Or photons wouldn't activate the photoreceptors in the retina anymore, so everybody would be blind.
@@kedrednael Also they are extremely large arrays that don't fit on most ships. Railguns / particle accelerators are on larger ships and the Planetary Railguns appear to be lasers that project kinetic warheads. The Roci had a railgun installed but it was an advanced retrofit funded by Avasarala making it uncommon for smaller ships.
This stuff is all head-cannon crap. So much of it has absolutely no basis in the books or show. Much of it is made up on the spot using pre-production art designs for things like the Roci and Pella which were never used, shown, or insinuated. Also, his timeline is way off despite his best efforts. But he does have a very rich fantasy life.
You cant really use footage of the amun-ra stealth frigate assault on the donnie as proof for seven banshee class stealth destroyers since A. there are only 6 Amun-ra stealth ships there in the first place and B. they are completely different ships. After all the Amun-Ra frigates where much smaller and completly different in the way they were built overall
The Anubis Stealth Ships were a Private Earth Corp clandestine fleet built by a Protogen subsidiary company owned by Mao-Kwikowski Mercantile. I believe 7 or 8 were shown on screen so I would guess maybe a dozen were built in total. My theory is the MCR traded the Banshee stealth designs in exchange for protomolecule science program overseen by Protogen as not to be linked directly to Mars.
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj Edit: This response was to Surf as well as Vaultboy, sorry just wanted to clarify. Great discussion. It was my understanding that Mars had a back hand in Mao-Kwik in regards to Phoebe station and it's black ops projects. I thought maybe due to that they may have also been involved in stealth development for the Anubis class, especially since later on we see that Mars appears to be the only source for the material in the solar system.
Nice vid, but very misleading. As others have said, hull numbers don't equate even closely to the amount of ships in service. Having read the books, I'd say you're overestimating by a factor of 4 at least. For a fact there were only 8 Donnager classes in operation before the events of season 1, not 20
MCRN ship class names are often utterly uninspired and even contradictory. like the "corvette class frigate" i mean seriously? that two different ship classes. its like saying BATTLESHIP CLASS CRUISER. also like @bjturon says using hull numbers as your baseline for the number of ships in total is absurd. hull numbers get changed all the time, get reused or simply skipped over. plenty of hull numbers for ships that where planned but never built or at least completed exist in naval registries. When a bunch of ships in the same class are planned the hull codes are usually aloted in advance before any kind of construciton begins to simplfy things. bt its very common for the order of the numbes to be meaningless as one ship get often completed or lanhced beofre a ship with the number preceding it. BB01 can be the fist ship launched or it could be BB-20 and BB-01-19 are delayed or canceled or redesignated etc. then you got rtired ships, repurposed ships, etc. Then when a navy goes through reclassification and a lot of hull code classifications get changed or deleted so even exsiteding ships have their hull codes often completly changed.
I recall it was mentioned in the books that the MCRN had eight Donnagers as of the start of Leviathan Wakes. The Donnager was obviously lost, and later the Sagamatha. So wondering where the 20 Donnagers came from?
the Barkith lost in the books, the Sagamatha only in the show
They came from his personal fantasy, he made it all up without disclosing so
this channel is fanfic/headcannon, even if he doesn't say so
You can't get the size of a naval fleet ( or locomotives of a railroad) from hull/penant numbers, it's like trying guess the number of players on a baseball team from the player's numbers, the hull numbers identify the unit and sometimes the class it is in, not the number of ships in a overall fleet, especially as hull numbers get retired and reused. Look at the hull numbers of the US Navy for a historic example on Wikipedia or NavSource. The USS New Jersey is BB-62, which while making it the 62 battleship built for the US Navy, doesn't mean the US had at least 62 battleships in WW2, or the Gulf War when there was only the 4 Iowa-class BBs! 😄
With naval ships as a standard rule of thumb, you need 3 to ensure one is at sea, because the other two or either in a shipyard undergoing a refit or is tied up to the dock for a maintenance/training/crew leave period. So if you want six frigates on patrol at all times, you need 18 frigates in you naval fleet. That is why the UK has an issue with only having 2 QE-class carriers, the plan is to use amphibious assault ships with flight decks that can handle F35 fighters to partially cover those gaps when either carrier is not available.
Overall very intresting videos 🙂
Explanation makes sense. Even if it is the 500th ship ever built, that does not mean that previous models are still in service.
Omfg I've wanted literally exactly this for soooo long
Mars built 8 Donnager class Battleships. The Donnager, Bellare, Hotspur, Icaria Planum, Harman Dae-Jung, Firebrand, Barkeith, and Schiaparelli.
In the TV Series, the Donnager was destroyed in Season 1 and the Schiaparelli was destroyed later defending the ring. Season 6 mentions another Donnager class built in preparation to fight Inaros, but I don't think it is named in the show. Definitely not 20 Donnager class warships unless the books are significantly different than the series.
Ya forgot the Sagarmatha
"artificial gravity bio-dome" on Mars? WHAT?
presumably a truncated cone shaped spinning habitat structure combining martian gravity with spin gravity to create earth level gravity.
@@jadeevetz9426 that works, but it's not in the show. Perhaps in the books?
@@reezlaw nope, not in the books either, this guy makes shit up, his for all mankind fanfics are even worse
@@elnico5623 it did sound completely uncharacteristic
Where did this stuff about “inertial dampers” 12:00 come from? That’s some Star Trek kind of gravity control, there is absolutely nothing like that in the Expanse.
tbh i think he made that up
I think it is a mistake to equate numbers on ships as a counter representing the actual number of ships in a particular class. For example, the destroyer USS Zumwalt is designated as DDG1000. I don't believe there is actually 1000 Zumwalt class destroyers in service with the US Navy. Also look at the designation of our submarine fleet.
there are 3
This came immediately to mind. We have absolutely nothing to base that assumption on, in fact it would make more sense if the hull numbers were not sequential to disguise the size of the fleet.
Case in point, the Donnager has the hull number 84. That class was introduced as part of the fleet modernisation program which included the Morrigan and Corvette classes, so are we to assume that the entire Martian fleet before the Donnager was less than 80 ships, in and out of commission?
Great video! Thanks for all the hard work, this is an excellent presentation.
Appreciate the comment and watch. I finally got around to making this video that I should have done a few months ago :)
This video is incredible!!!!!! So much time and effort good work!👌
My question of the series is, why would Mars dismantle spaceships? Would you convert them to freighters, training, orbital platforms around an asteroid, convert to a space telescope platform or even an orbital radar station after the the one on the moon Phobos was destroyed?
The other question I have about radar in expanse is, I would imagine camera tech being so wide spectrum and sharp that stealth would be useless as a camera could spot objects beyond human vision. Also combined with ultra powerful computing DSP, be able to see out a stealth or even a cloaked ship?
The MCRN had a lot of damaged ships during the war with Earth, so instead of repairing them it is more cost effective to strip them down using critical components for some new ship builds and just scrap the rest. Additionally the Mars economy was based around terraforming, and now that the ring gates connected 1,000 habitable worlds the economy crashed so they can't sustain a larger expensive Navy like they had before. They don't give specifics but I would assume some of the larger MCRN Warships would be stripped of offensive weapons and sensitive systems and converted into colonial vessels as transports for transit to the Laconia Ring Gate.. As for stealth ships they really are not that invisible to scans, they can only really hide with the drives shut down or in a large battle with multiple ships, where sensors would bypass them for larger signatures. Other then that yes they show up like a regular ship or maybe a smaller vessel that would be considered non-military. Yes optical and LADAR / RADAR tech has increased in the 24th century but so has stealth tech but space is big and if they detect a drifting object they won't point imagery scopes at one of hundreds with in detection range. Stealth ships operate in formations with other ships and cut their drives while approaching enemy ships on other vectors so when the battles start they hide amidst the clutter of heat signatures in a small zone of space. A tight formation of Stealth Ships can disguise their drive plums together making 8 ships decelerating towards a target appear as one drive plum on sensors and optical imaging until they flip into attack position
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 I saw the battle of six stealth ships against the Donniger. It was epic.
Today’s tech allowed us to spot Oumuaamoua. James Webb is so sensitive it can see a bumblebee size object on the moon. I think the detection tech would be able to spot the stealth tech and outpace it. The DSP would allow for filtering of all objects detected with cameras, radar, flir, LiDAR, etc faster than any supercomputer used today.
@@GG-si7fw They are capable of detecting stealth ships if they are directly looking for them (even the sensors of the Cant picked up something if I remember correctly) however you would have to look in the right spot (space is BIG) and do that constantly. Additionally, using active radat basically gives enemy torpedos a guide beacon directly to your ship so you would want to use it sparingly in combat situations.
About camera tech: The ships are visible in the show because we as the viewer need to be able to see them, without navigation light, they would just be a black outline against the mostly black background. For normal objects, you can use infrared as they are significantly hotter than the sourrunding space but stealth ships cool their hull for exactly that reason.
In conclusion, stealth is not really about making it impossible to spot, but rather impractical.
In S1E2 The Donnager is able to detect the presence of the Protogen stealth ships, but is not able to determine the size or number of ships until they power up their drives.
I'm not even 3 minutes in and I see a major flaw in your calculations. You say a ship with a hull number of 512 is proof of a minimum number of 512 ships. That just isn't the case.
Ship numbers can vary wildly and have many reasons for their designations.
It's very unlikely the first Martian ship was labeled '1' and went up from there with every new commissioned ship, regardless of class or function.
Not to mention any ships that would have been lost to skirmishes or accidents over the years; again, making it a poor notion that 512 is the minimum amount.
That being said, I paused the video to make this comment, so maybe you address it.
I like these videos I love the ship details showing how many ships each side have.
Great! Waiting for a video about the Laconian fleet.
There are no inertial dampeners or artificial gravity in the expanse, other than spin stations
Or linear acceleration. But this guy regularly “improvises” in the past so I’m not even suprised he came up with this lmao
I still love your content but your voice puts me to sleep. I guess I'll have some coffee and keep watching !
A lot of the information stated here doesn't seem to have sources
Agreed but the video seems to be a best guess. He even states it's an extrapolation based on what we see on screen. I think some of it is off because I believe there were only 8 Donnager class ships and the Donny was destroyed leaving 7 left. Of course they could have built more after the Donny was destroyed and/or during the war. Again it's a best guess as we are not given any exact numbers. I haven't read the books but from what I have read online they don't give much on the numbers either.
He literally invented ships based on unused concept art that weren't in the canon
A very interesting breakdown. One minor issue: a pennant number doesn't necessarily imply that many ships in service but that that many ships have BEEN in service during the fleet's history. For example the pennant number of HMS Dauntless (D33) should not be taken to imply that there are Currently 33 Royal Navy destroyer-class vessels, or even 33 major RN warships in total.
It does with with the Martian navy though, as the Morrigans are clearly the FIRST ever destroyers to roll off the nations yards. Current Royal Navy destroyer pennant numbers started in 1948, so the specific ship you mentioned (HMS Dauntless) is the 32nd destroyer (the number 13 is not used for superstitious reasons) to have gone down the yards since 1948, of various classes.
MCR has artificial gravity in the domes? Tf are you talking about
Great analysis.
This video speaks to my soul :)🚀
I love the Donnager class BB. Two huge railguns, amazing PD coverage, large torpedo battery and marine contingent for boarding actions. When I first saw the Martian ship designs in the show compared to the decrepid UN ships the Martian ships are undoubtedly better designs with much more modern tech and build quality. I´d bet my money on Mars everytime.
I didn't think anyone could make The Expanse so boring.
Martians served for 27 years, it means minimum 1/5 of them are in the military, so over 2bln personnel. Their ship strength probably millions of ships.
Yo where did you get the artwork for these ships?
Nice work!
Just an FYI: it’s “Jovian” rather than “Juh-hovian”. And “Scirocco” is pronounced “Sher-rock-oh”; not “Sick-car-oh”. Hope that helps for future vids. Nice rundown BTW.
This! Jeezus it was getting on my nerves.
It would be cool to see a ground forces order of battle.
It's nice to know that JayZ and Beyonce got so rich that he bought a moon. The Jayhovian moon.
Great Work, man. What were the sources of this grafics?
I literally came when i discovered your videos. Whrede did you got so much concept arts? I cant find them on the internet
Why no energy weapons? Not only should they have the tech , lasers, masers, particle beam, etc. should be mature technologies at this point
Railguns are laser tech using particle accelerators to launch and guide kinetic projectiles particularly Planetary Railguns that are large laser arrays projecting guided missiles. Torpedoes and PDC's are smaller weapons systems that require less space on ships making them more common. Laser scanning and targeting are used for everything. So basically The Expanse ships use lasers that have a kinetic warhead.
Focusing lasers is not limited by our technology, but by physics. So we cannot get around the fact that laser light spreads out over distance, making it less damaging. On the other hand, with the insane engines of the expense, kinetic weapons are made way more powerful.
A missile can hit hundreds of thousands of kilometers away, with its full force (maybe even more force than close range, because it could accelerate longer).
In the books lasers are used against people (in the ring station from beginning of season 2). That laser is defeated by a special smoke grenade. And people have ablative armor that can protect against lasers.
Also, the existence of the Epstein drive shows that they are able to create very heat resistant/reflective materials, the same kind of material should defend against lasers quite well?
I guess the idea is: there are all sorts of ways to protect against lasers (reflective armor/ clouds, ablative armor, rolling the ship, actively cooled armor) & lasers require continuous time on target to do damage. But protecting yourself from a solid object which moves at many kilometers per second is really hard & colliding objects each do damage even with one hit.
@@kedrednael During season 3 in the slow zone the Behemoth used its comm laser on the ring core missing with the first shot, so lasers appear like you said to only be effective at closer ranges.
@@SurfTrekTonics But it only missed because the laser was physically damaged/ misaligned by the slowdown deceleration. Hitting lasers is the easiest thing in the world, when they aren't broken. It's much easier than hitting bullets, which have to deal with barrel flexing, recoil, time-to-target (so improvements in the aim cannot be made instantaneous), vibration.
With 'focusing laser is limited by physics' I don't mean aiming it. I mean the light spreads out, so when it hits the target, less energy is delivered per area, less damage occurs, protection is easier.
I wonder what would have happened if the laser did hit the ring. Could the proto-molecule have changed how much energy photons carry? Maybe that means you don't lose energy through infrared radiation anymore, and everybody would die of heatstroke inside the slow zone (except if they turn the thermostat down I guess). Or photons wouldn't activate the photoreceptors in the retina anymore, so everybody would be blind.
@@kedrednael Also they are extremely large arrays that don't fit on most ships. Railguns / particle accelerators are on larger ships and the Planetary Railguns appear to be lasers that project kinetic warheads. The Roci had a railgun installed but it was an advanced retrofit funded by Avasarala making it uncommon for smaller ships.
This stuff is all head-cannon crap. So much of it has absolutely no basis in the books or show. Much of it is made up on the spot using pre-production art designs for things like the Roci and Pella which were never used, shown, or insinuated. Also, his timeline is way off despite his best efforts. But he does have a very rich fantasy life.
You cant really use footage of the amun-ra stealth frigate assault on the donnie as proof for seven banshee class stealth destroyers since A. there are only 6 Amun-ra stealth ships there in the first place and B. they are completely different ships.
After all the Amun-Ra frigates where much smaller and completly different in the way they were built overall
2:00 Apparently Ganymede is in England, I never knew that.
We’re the Anubis class ships Protogens, or Mars?🤔
The Anubis Stealth Ships were a Private Earth Corp clandestine fleet built by a Protogen subsidiary company owned by Mao-Kwikowski Mercantile. I believe 7 or 8 were shown on screen so I would guess maybe a dozen were built in total. My theory is the MCR traded the Banshee stealth designs in exchange for protomolecule science program overseen by Protogen as not to be linked directly to Mars.
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj Edit: This response was to Surf as well as Vaultboy, sorry just wanted to clarify. Great discussion.
It was my understanding that Mars had a back hand in Mao-Kwik in regards to Phoebe station and it's black ops projects. I thought maybe due to that they may have also been involved in stealth development for the Anubis class, especially since later on we see that Mars appears to be the only source for the material in the solar system.
@@SurfTrekTonics there were 9 Amun Ra stealth warships
Nice vid, but very misleading. As others have said, hull numbers don't equate even closely to the amount of ships in service. Having read the books, I'd say you're overestimating by a factor of 4 at least. For a fact there were only 8 Donnager classes in operation before the events of season 1, not 20
MCRN ship class names are often utterly uninspired and even contradictory. like the "corvette class frigate" i mean seriously? that two different ship classes.
its like saying BATTLESHIP CLASS CRUISER. also like @bjturon says using hull numbers as your baseline for the number of ships in total is absurd. hull numbers get changed all the time, get reused or simply skipped over. plenty of hull numbers for ships that where planned but never built or at least completed exist in naval registries. When a bunch of ships in the same class are planned the hull codes are usually aloted in advance before any kind of construciton begins to simplfy things. bt its very common for the order of the numbes to be meaningless as one ship get often completed or lanhced beofre a ship with the number preceding it. BB01 can be the fist ship launched or it could be BB-20 and BB-01-19 are delayed or canceled or redesignated etc.
then you got rtired ships, repurposed ships, etc. Then when a navy goes through reclassification and a lot of hull code classifications get changed or deleted so even exsiteding ships have their hull codes often completly changed.
Meh. There are no atmospheric elements. But there is still radiation.
I call it a mulligan and still let them play. I enjoyed the expanse.