The history of the Cant is interesting: Prior to becoming a mainstay ice miner/hauler of the Pur and Kleen company, it was actually a colony ship that brought settlers out to the belt and made many trips doing so. When the Cant went down, it didn't just mean that there was a lost water shipment, or that a belter ship was destroyed, that was a piece of Belter history and almost a legacy. Many Beltalowda probably had parents or grand parents or great grand parents that were brought to the belt by the Cant. At the time of it's destruction it was a probably a fairly well known almost household name in the Belt. It had served their existence since the beginning. In some ways there's probably a quiet Belter pride in that ship, since it was not some fancy new tech Wellwalla ship. It was a Belter ship. It was old. It was rugged. It was maintained with subpar resources. It was a hard working ship that got the job done. And it was another victim of the Inners and their greed, politicking, and manipulations. The fact that it was taken out by a stealth ship all but immediately convicted Mars in the minds of many Belters. It was also a perfect target for the powers that destroyed it. If it had been a OPA smuggling or pirate ship, well that's the life that ship and it's crew lived. But the Cant was a fully civilian craft, and almost symbolic of the innocent Belter who tries to work hard and just eke out a meager but honest living, only to be brutally crushed under Inner heels.
Good analysis. I hadn't thought the Cant was a big symbol of the Belt like that before. Kinda makes the riots on Ceres and beyond a lot more understandable.
I imagine the flight deck was laid out the way it was because it simply doesn't _need_ to be efficient. Since it's never intended to go into combat, it doesn't require a central plotter or for crew stations to focus on the captain. All he has to do is make decisions about where the ship goes (which he doesn't need to be physically present to give orders for) and handle any crew issues that the first officer can't. Besides, he can still watch the flight crew work from the comfort of his office.
Also initially a colony ship? So this thing was meant to be disposable? So slapped together is probably right as it would be taken apart and used elsewhere. As for the digs about it being unarmed. How many cannons do we see mounted on freighters and fishing boats nowadays? So as a purely civilian vessel that fits. But a corporation cutting costs to the point of equipment failures and lives endangered? Heavens! No company would Ever be so crass!
@@danamoore1788 I get the feeling it was called a colony ship but its put together like a container ship. Going to a location to set up an outpost and then coming back with more supplies to turn it into a colony. Speaking of, you would be surprised to know the weapons of such freighters. The cant was no exception but armed for the world it was in. No guns outside, but likely equipped to repeal boarders.
Yeah. Getting turbo nuked is not the optimal choice. Gimme one of those stealth frigates. Rebuild the Amun-Ra or make a new one and call it the Kek. Egyptian god of darkness.
In James Corey's book Leviathan Wakes (The Expanse), he describes it as a old retooled colony transport that had once hauled people and stuff to the moons of Saturn. This explains why the layout is so wacky. The book and show have a lot of differences so its fun to engage in both.
@@Chanselor_Gowron Uh, except the book series was already up to book 8 by the time Amazon gave the green light for Season 5. Without going into book spoiler territory, there was no lack of reference material. And yes, Book 5 was as crazy as Season 5.
In defense of the Cant... um, well, the jumpsuits and/or undershirts must be pretty nice since Holden (and I think Naomi) still wear them sometimes through the forth season. Yeah, take that American Ben!
@@Joesolo13 That's nothing. I still use a 20-year old Iron Maiden t-shirt, that somehow fits me (even after gaining 30 pounds in all those years)... ;-)
Alex loves his martian navy jumpsuit. Holden wears his pur and klean stuff. Amos wears his beratnas gas suit. naomi... ah, who cares about belters? ;-)
we don't no earth is 4 billion years old and the odd thing is the we humans are the first to to have technology that can takes us to space i could have happened in another world faster than earth lest sea a billion years earlier
@@hlmc00 completely agree, and when we look at other planets it looks like nothings happening but in reality we are seeing the planet a few million years ago, because the light hasn’t reached us yet.
I'm a simple man, I see Generation Films' new Expanse related video, I click and gobble it up like french fries... or candies... whatever food I'm craving at the moment.
The Cant is literally a "Space Alamo" in more ways than just being part of a "Remember the *blank*" quote too. It's destruction served as a rallying cry for an independence movement. It was originally constructed as a vessel that would aid in colonization (catholic missions were an integral part of Spain's colonization of the Americas). It's in complete disrepair and falling apart at the most inopportune of moments. And the story of one person that was there is the only story most people are ever really exposed to (Davy Crocket). It's actually very interesting just how many "Old (American) West" references and analogies The Expanse uses to describe/relate things to the viewer/reader. I can only assume that Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck (who both operate under the joint pen name of James S. A. Corey) really like that period of history. I wonder if it's because it's probably the best documented example colonization, and all of its consequences, that we have access to.
to be honest, i would love to serve on the cant. not during its destruction of course, but during its prime years. imagine colonising the outer planets in a vessel only fitting in a propaganda poster. the cantebury is truly remarkable.
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when you were talking about the bridge design, you forgot that this ship was a colony ship. and now an ice hauling ship... what directions would the caption be giving apart from telling the flight crew to spend weeks heading the same course?
Definitely. Especially as a corporate ice hauler, moe important to have a place to review orders from HQ & to pass along orders without everyone in the flight deck overhearing.
My best guess as to why the ship had touch screens is corporate refits. Average belters couldn't afford to upgrade their rust buckets but I could see a corporation refitting an old ship because it would be cheaper than commissioning new ones.
The Cant reminds me of a cross between an old long haul Semi Truck and a mining rig. Rough blue collar workers on her and a company that probably didn’t make much so they and her crew were all doing what they could to scrape by.
There is a deeper meaning for Canterbury. Canterbury Cathedral was a holy site for Medieval Catholics. The reason the ship is old and weird, is because it doesn't belong to the times, as is Religion wouldn't. By destroying the Canterbury, it's the death of Religion which is a stand in for Morality. The Rocinante is a throwback to Don Quixote book, it was the name of his horse. It's a character that tried to live a Knightly life. The Rocinante Crew parallels Don Quixote's idealism and nobility in a post-chivalric world and are viewed as insane by everyone in that world.
The Cant should have taken a hint from the Nostromo, another ill-fated civilian barge. Don't answer mysterious distress calls. That never seems to end well. Remember the Cant. Remember the Nostromo.
3:34 they probably sedated them and put them in a paded room till they came back to Ceries. Holden was like the ships second officer before the XO whent Section 8.
Ok, so right before she died horribly, Holden's girlfriend had something urgent to tell him. Am I the only one alarmed that he grieved so little for his dead pregnant girlfriend?
Touchscreens would be an alright comprise. Think I'd rather use 'em than holographic ctrls.....but think I still wouldn't mind some good 'ol fashioned buttons as a backup 😁. To bad she didn't have any pdc's.
Reminds me of the merchant marine ships that needed escort... vital but vulnerable... if water is key then prob should be escorting it via pirates etc let alone a covert war... imagine the cold war if the largest navy on earth said naaaaah its fine we'll just stay in port rather than patrol vital and volatile shipping lanes... if anything it shows may be the powers at be just like now sort of started realizing posturing is extremely expensive
Idk if I would call 'The Boys' sci-fi, even though it is awesome. It's an alternate earth with supe's and a drug that makes them. Otherwise, it is exactly our time with our tech
@@TheCJUN also I just watched an interview with the science consultant of the new Bill and Ted movie, which is excellent sci-fi, on Answers with Joe. I had totally forgotten this would make 2020 a whole lot less sucky
It was originally a colony ship. If that's the case not a lot of room for collonist and way to much room for cargo. Or was the cargo area enclosed at one point?
Something I don’t understand about the ice-haulers is wouldn’t the various colonies/outposts in the Belt be “closed systems” and all water recycled? How much “new water” could they need?
The Cant had no point defense at all? I get that its a civilian ship and likely wouldn't have had the capability to shoot down the incoming missiles, but come on. What about pirates? What about the random asteroid hurtling towards the ship. At least give the ol' girl a manually-operated PDC or two to fend for itself.
Space is big and empty. Stray asteroid hitting a small target like Cant is very unlikely, so arming ice hauler with torpedoes for that would be overkill. I give you the pirates though.
Pirates weren't an issue really. It's a belter ship hauling low value cargo, and the pirates were nearly all belters who for the most part, left their own kind alone and went after richer prey.
Many people here in Australia say "cunt" pretty casually as it's such a versatile word. In many instances it's used interchangeably with the word "person" the same way we say dude, guy, etc...
@@casbot71 No i mean from my experience australians saying cunt sounds like cant anyway. So,what i am saying they could as well cant the cant cunt with fake australian accnt and no one would notice.
Apparently the belt has been overexploited, if you consider that Ceres, now mostly water, is completely mined of its water by the time of the Expanse. Damn inners
There likely is, but with 2-3 centuries of heavy mining for both the belt and Mars' terraforming project the big, easily mined stuff is indicated to be less common, while the rings of saturn are mostly ice.
This video made me realise something thats wrong with the Cant. It's the only ship in the Expanse that has to have artificial gravity due to how it maintained gravity while still performing harvesting operations. Oh and because of how they boarded the Knight. They climbed into the it on a ladder, which would have meant it has to be docked in the bow of the Cant else the decks are orientated incorrectly with the drive systems. That and the ship has no hand rails, nothing is secured down, and the captains quarters have loose soil in them, meaning zero G (which is required for harvesting) would be beyond dangerous and messy.
Not sure about that. In season 2/3 they make a lot of "prax panels" on the Rocinante which are basically small potted plants. They stay in their soil just fine in both 1G and zero G. They only fly out when the Roci starts making high G combat maneuvers. Something the Cant isn't capable of.
@@xJavelin1 those panels are apparently designed for low/zero g, the soil is sealed in. Not sure how they do it, but the are apparently designed for it. The soil on the cant however was lose on the floor, it wouldn't stay on the floor.
@@cgi2002 I'd have to check the books to be sure about that. But...even if you're right wasn't the (show) XO crazy? So planting those plants like that wouldn't make sense anyway? Plus, in the books Holden was the XO of the Cant from the start. So this is a show only issue. And likely a screwup since it does occur in the pilot...
@@xJavelin1 that's the point. They made a massive deal about realism with space travel for most of the show, and yet the very 1st episode has a massive hole. Even disregarding the soil, look at the ship itself. If your planning on zero g, corridors should have handholds/rails for zero g travel. And the knight is still oriented wrong when you see them board it and it launch. It launches from the top of the ship, meaning the decks in the cant would be at 90 degree right angles form it, not vertically below it. Also as i said, all harvesting operations would been to be done with the ship basically stationary/matched velocity to the ice, so no thrust meaning no thrust gravity aboard ship, else the ice would just smash into the cant. I know it's a little thing, but it's still an oversight that bugs me. There are other oversights that can't really be well explained. For example they Martian marines "earth gravity training", just to adapt your body to earth's gravity should take, months if not years in constant 1g thrust, due to them been born with a much weaker bone & muscle structure. So now you need a huge ship (no point training a few dozen at a time) constantly under thurst going back and forward in the solar system for years at a time. Also, the moment you stop the training, they would start to deteriorate rapidly, meaning naval ships should also spend all their time under constant 1g thrust, meaning you need to train your naval crew to live in that too. Earth forces troops however have the opposite problem, any time spent in microgravity would need to be countered with retraining. And in theory they could trian in 3g always if mars can do 1g.
@@cgi2002 There are other issues from the pilot which were also dropped. One of which was the far more accurate (to the books) display of a belter body - being tortured in this case. That was 100% accurate to the books yet was dropped. We should always give a pilot a little slack. If it's picked up they'll get more money and can pay better attention to/fix these issues. If not, it doesn't matter anyway.
Nothing new there, it's a company owned civilian ship, the sci-fi version of today's Oil tanker Ships Old, outdated, almost falling apart AND... money saving for the company xD Who gives a sh*t about employee safety, defensive weaponry (the cargo isn't profitable, NO! xD) or efficient operating design? xD
I really have to disagree that physical buttons are inferior to touchscreen. With non critical stuff touchscreen are good since they save weight and can be configured as any function. As critical functions physical buttons are great since you can push buttons without looking the controller. This is the modern cockpits are done nowdays f-35, airbus glass cockpits, spacex dragon capsule...
Tbh not really, they may have removed some of it but I suspect most was cargo space. Colonists don't need excess comfort for the relatively short trips they'll be taking. With an Epstein drive running at 1g, you can move about the solar system alot faster than you realise. Distance from earth to Saturn is between 1.2 and 1.7 billion km. After 24 hours of acceleration (not counting the distance covered in that time), a ship would, if it stopped accelerating (current speed is 846,720m/s or 846.72km/s), reach Saturn in between 16.4 days and 23.23days, but that's not how it would work. In reality you will be accelerating constantly until the half way point, then flip and slow down. Makes the math a right pain to do, but I can give a rough estimate. Short distance: 8.1 days. Long Distance: 9.65 days. And this is assuming the ship starts at 0ms and ends at 0ms, which it wouldn't, but the math is even worse if I start adding in the relative velocities of Earth and Saturn (my head may explode).
@@cgi2002 1/3 ship crew and ship nasty 1/3 passenger 1/3 cargo 1/2 passenger 1/2 non passenger remove passenger zone now1/3 crew 2/3 cargo . i estimated mane med bay, mane lounge, and passenger ps think T back crew no passenger, bottom front cargo no passenger, top front passenger zone ok
@@cgi2002 And it wood take weeks or more be cos g fores to fast will kill them true g fores is Les in space but stile no warping just mock speed at most
@@omegacommand1 that's the thing, there are actually no g forces involved beyond the ships actual thrust. G forces are imparted by a change of velocity in space. So only accelerating or decelerating generates them. You can travel at 10kmph or 1million kmph and it'd feel the exact same. That's why in the expanse if you want gravity on a ship you need to be using your drive. As for lateral g forces, those are possible but your u likely to experience anything like you would on a planet due to the relative weakness of the maneuvering thrusters. The exception to this rule is however the actual effect of gravity, if you flew too close to a large planetary or solar mass, you would experience gravity from it, and depending on how strong that force is, it could kill you.
@@cgi2002 space is 3d hi burn to fast die turn in hi burn die desalinate to fast become like gay fast burn into ring vortex or just die hit space garbage like astride die and engines trust is so much and first gen ma by sicken gen but not their gen engines its like saying a race car 30 years old shod kepi up with a marination race care and they did say how long it wood take from earth to the bleat so wreaks don't seam so far of with all the problems true ps i gave you a thrum up
Well naturally. "As long as it works...enough.. it's okay if it's ugly.. with no alibi". Same thing goes with doodads these days -only they often ARE pretty...but, don't last..as long as a wee lassy on a spring trail hike, with poor old Dad..trailing.. farther and farther behind.
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The history of the Cant is interesting: Prior to becoming a mainstay ice miner/hauler of the Pur and Kleen company, it was actually a colony ship that brought settlers out to the belt and made many trips doing so. When the Cant went down, it didn't just mean that there was a lost water shipment, or that a belter ship was destroyed, that was a piece of Belter history and almost a legacy. Many Beltalowda probably had parents or grand parents or great grand parents that were brought to the belt by the Cant. At the time of it's destruction it was a probably a fairly well known almost household name in the Belt. It had served their existence since the beginning. In some ways there's probably a quiet Belter pride in that ship, since it was not some fancy new tech Wellwalla ship. It was a Belter ship. It was old. It was rugged. It was maintained with subpar resources. It was a hard working ship that got the job done. And it was another victim of the Inners and their greed, politicking, and manipulations. The fact that it was taken out by a stealth ship all but immediately convicted Mars in the minds of many Belters.
It was also a perfect target for the powers that destroyed it. If it had been a OPA smuggling or pirate ship, well that's the life that ship and it's crew lived. But the Cant was a fully civilian craft, and almost symbolic of the innocent Belter who tries to work hard and just eke out a meager but honest living, only to be brutally crushed under Inner heels.
Good analysis. I hadn't thought the Cant was a big symbol of the Belt like that before. Kinda makes the riots on Ceres and beyond a lot more understandable.
Damn. Never thought about the Cant like that.
see, the cant's captain was right. that distress was trouble
Holden can't help himself from trying to save everyone.
Can't change what happened to the Cant.
Cap'n knows best
Remember the Nostromo?
@@DrownedInExile, yeah, answering distress calls gets you killed.
I imagine the flight deck was laid out the way it was because it simply doesn't _need_ to be efficient. Since it's never intended to go into combat, it doesn't require a central plotter or for crew stations to focus on the captain. All he has to do is make decisions about where the ship goes (which he doesn't need to be physically present to give orders for) and handle any crew issues that the first officer can't.
Besides, he can still watch the flight crew work from the comfort of his office.
And being a more casual setting, being able to have a one to one approach would be beneficial.
Also initially a colony ship? So this thing was meant to be disposable? So slapped together is probably right as it would be taken apart and used elsewhere. As for the digs about it being unarmed. How many cannons do we see mounted on freighters and fishing boats nowadays? So as a purely civilian vessel that fits.
But a corporation cutting costs to the point of equipment failures and lives endangered? Heavens! No company would Ever be so crass!
@@danamoore1788 I get the feeling it was called a colony ship but its put together like a container ship. Going to a location to set up an outpost and then coming back with more supplies to turn it into a colony.
Speaking of, you would be surprised to know the weapons of such freighters. The cant was no exception but armed for the world it was in. No guns outside, but likely equipped to repeal boarders.
For dramatic purposes the captain is seen to be isolated and apart from the rest of the crew.
@@mattstorm360 So it is a tugboat and they have small arms? Which still sounds much like today. . =^_^=
7:02 The Knight, no matter where, no matter when…
"Spinning is a good trick"
Remember the Cant
Remember the Cant!
word
Remember the Cant!
HAL 9000: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I Cant do that.
So Say, We All!
"The Canterbury was probably not the best ship to find oneself on at the onset of the extra-solar era."
Welp, that's one hell of an understatement.
Unless you want to become a legend!
Yeah. Getting turbo nuked is not the optimal choice. Gimme one of those stealth frigates. Rebuild the Amun-Ra or make a new one and call it the Kek. Egyptian god of darkness.
In James Corey's book Leviathan Wakes (The Expanse), he describes it as a old retooled colony transport that had once hauled people and stuff to the moons of Saturn. This explains why the layout is so wacky. The book and show have a lot of differences so its fun to engage in both.
Also it is described as a "Fire-plug with a cone on the end".
i think the writers wran out off "book" when they got to season 5. cuz honestly, what´s up with that?
@@Chanselor_Gowron Uh, except the book series was already up to book 8 by the time Amazon gave the green light for Season 5. Without going into book spoiler territory, there was no lack of reference material. And yes, Book 5 was as crazy as Season 5.
In defense of the Cant... um, well, the jumpsuits and/or undershirts must be pretty nice since Holden (and I think Naomi) still wear them sometimes through the forth season. Yeah, take that American Ben!
Nothing's quite as comfy as something properly broken in. Hell the shirt I'm wearing right now's about 13 years old.
@@Joesolo13 That's nothing. I still use a 20-year old Iron Maiden t-shirt, that somehow fits me (even after gaining 30 pounds in all those years)... ;-)
@@Arvaniz dang! My oldest shirt is only like 15 years old lol
Alex loves his martian navy jumpsuit. Holden wears his pur and klean stuff. Amos wears his beratnas gas suit. naomi... ah, who cares about belters? ;-)
The saddest thing about the expanse is that most of it will actually happen. Except for the protomolecule
... we hope.
we don't no earth is 4 billion years old and the odd thing is the we humans are the first to to have technology that can takes us to space i could have happened in another world faster than earth lest sea a billion years earlier
@@hlmc00 completely agree, and when we look at other planets it looks like nothings happening but in reality we are seeing the planet a few million years ago, because the light hasn’t reached us yet.
Especially the Protomolecule.
The expanse ships really have a lot of character in them, great coverage of the Cant and the Knight
On some small navy ships the mess area serves as the med bay when needed. It didn't seem that unusual to me for a space ship to do the same.
I'm a simple man, I see Generation Films' new Expanse related video, I click and gobble it up like french fries... or candies... whatever food I'm craving at the moment.
Guzzle it down like beer
I wish we got to see more of the Canterbury in the beginning but i remember the Cant
I'm so glad these guys discovered the Expanse and are finally dissecting the lore
The Cant is literally a "Space Alamo" in more ways than just being part of a "Remember the *blank*" quote too. It's destruction served as a rallying cry for an independence movement. It was originally constructed as a vessel that would aid in colonization (catholic missions were an integral part of Spain's colonization of the Americas). It's in complete disrepair and falling apart at the most inopportune of moments. And the story of one person that was there is the only story most people are ever really exposed to (Davy Crocket).
It's actually very interesting just how many "Old (American) West" references and analogies The Expanse uses to describe/relate things to the viewer/reader. I can only assume that Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck (who both operate under the joint pen name of James S. A. Corey) really like that period of history. I wonder if it's because it's probably the best documented example colonization, and all of its consequences, that we have access to.
I believe you meant to say "Flying Alamo," haus.
Shed, keeping his head on straight. Nice one
I cant believe this like man I cant stand it lol love you keep partying and remember the cant
I love this ship, she had character and relatability to similar cargo vessels of modern day
"Kept on his head on straight" 👈 I see what you did there...
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I really expected you to come back to that comment later...
@@Patriotgal1 I think that was meant as an inside joke to those who have already seen that episode and he was trying to avoid spoilers.
@@GenerationFilms Too soon
Phenomenal!
Yes, yes I love it when American Ben is talking The Expanse. I'm stoked cant wait to see this.
to be honest, i would love to serve on the cant. not during its destruction of course, but during its prime years.
imagine colonising the outer planets in a vessel only fitting in a propaganda poster. the cantebury is truly remarkable.
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I would never use a drive called an epstein drive. I'd be afraid it would suspiciously blow itself up
when you were talking about the bridge design, you forgot that this ship was a colony ship. and now an ice hauling ship... what directions would the caption be giving apart from telling the flight crew to spend weeks heading the same course?
Definitely. Especially as a corporate ice hauler, moe important to have a place to review orders from HQ & to pass along orders without everyone in the flight deck overhearing.
"Go that way............................ Okay, my work here is done. I'll uh... I'll be in my... office?"
Cant get enough of Expanse content.
3:08 Kept his head on straight... Momentarily
I love a good pun but still too soon on the Shed joke man! lol
Great way to wake up! American Ben and a great vídeo about the expanse! Awesome! A Big hug to You, Ben.
*hug*😁😁
Thank you America Ben. I love expanses.
I completely forgot that Jonathan Banks was in this, lol!
0:16 You should watch the Japanese show "Legend of the Galactic Heroes", it's very good and has space Prussians...
Space prussians know I want to know about it.
Please make video review the Greater Terran Union from the Templin Institute?
Waiting for season 5 like 💀 f ing cliffhangers
My best guess as to why the ship had touch screens is corporate refits. Average belters couldn't afford to upgrade their rust buckets but I could see a corporation refitting an old ship because it would be cheaper than commissioning new ones.
'We should have brought more light'.
If i had the money i would make a fps game for this tv show
The Cant was a lovely old space bucket...that found itself at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
The Cant reminds me of a cross between an old long haul Semi Truck and a mining rig. Rough blue collar workers on her and a company that probably didn’t make much so they and her crew were all doing what they could to scrape by.
There is a deeper meaning for Canterbury. Canterbury Cathedral was a holy site for Medieval Catholics. The reason the ship is old and weird, is because it doesn't belong to the times, as is Religion wouldn't. By destroying the Canterbury, it's the death of Religion which is a stand in for Morality. The Rocinante is a throwback to Don Quixote book, it was the name of his horse. It's a character that tried to live a Knightly life. The Rocinante Crew parallels Don Quixote's idealism and nobility in a post-chivalric world and are viewed as insane by everyone in that world.
The ending comments were perfect.
"Cant"
Can't
Cannot
I love classic ships!!!
The Cant should have taken a hint from the Nostromo, another ill-fated civilian barge. Don't answer mysterious distress calls. That never seems to end well.
Remember the Cant. Remember the Nostromo.
Rule 1: Do not answer mysterious distress calls. Rule 2: If your captain invokes Rule 1, do not go over his head.
Well they are just Belta Loada, what's an arm between a paycheck?
Could you please do a breakdown of the Deucalion from Aldnoah Zero?
1:11 you nailed it
3:34 they probably sedated them and put them in a paded room till they came back to Ceries.
Holden was like the ships second officer before the XO whent Section 8.
I love this ship.
3:08 kept his head on. Oh my.
I Cant remember the name of that ship.
Hello American Ben. I hope you're having a great day. I love u so much
i cant deal with this anymore.
Just came here to say remember the cant
Ok, so right before she died horribly, Holden's girlfriend had something urgent to tell him. Am I the only one alarmed that he grieved so little for his dead pregnant girlfriend?
To be fair he didn't have much time to actually grieve, people were constantly trying to kill *him* for the next several seasons.
You should read the expanse books, they’re a lot further along than the show and will give you more of that expanse itch and they’re really good
I would argue that the Anubis kicked off everything, but that would be semantics.
REMEMBER THE CANT!
...Also the planet broke before the guard did. Hail the Emprah.
Touchscreens would be an alright comprise. Think I'd rather use 'em than holographic ctrls.....but think I still wouldn't mind some good 'ol fashioned buttons as a backup 😁. To bad she didn't have any pdc's.
I CANT anymore
Reminds me of the merchant marine ships that needed escort... vital but vulnerable... if water is key then prob should be escorting it via pirates etc let alone a covert war... imagine the cold war if the largest navy on earth said naaaaah its fine we'll just stay in port rather than patrol vital and volatile shipping lanes... if anything it shows may be the powers at be just like now sort of started realizing posturing is extremely expensive
Amazing how a old shitty vessel started such a crazy adventure
Ok now I want to watch the expanse. Just to find out what it's about
do it
"No good scifi content coming out?"
Raised by Wolves premiered yesterday, The Mandalorian S2 premieres in October and The Boys S2 is out today.
Idk if I would call 'The Boys' sci-fi, even though it is awesome. It's an alternate earth with supe's and a drug that makes them. Otherwise, it is exactly our time with our tech
@@nicolaiveliki1409 Agree with you, it borders scifi.
@@TheCJUN also I just watched an interview with the science consultant of the new Bill and Ted movie, which is excellent sci-fi, on Answers with Joe. I had totally forgotten this would make 2020 a whole lot less sucky
It was originally a colony ship. If that's the case not a lot of room for collonist and way to much room for cargo. Or was the cargo area enclosed at one point?
The cant is the ship that had ❤. That's what counts unless you have giant space guns.
Remember the Cant!
"for those young kids who dan´t have to fight for the future of your planet" > this got old very very fast.
Liberty Ship of the stars
Seems like coulda used some Terran SCV's.
Could've been worse, they could have found a xenomorph when responding to the distress signal!
Yup. Protogen Corp is clearly a subsidiary of Weyland-Yutani.
Remember the Nostromo.
or worse they could've found a floating God of thunder
Something I don’t understand about the ice-haulers is wouldn’t the various colonies/outposts in the Belt be “closed systems” and all water recycled? How much “new water” could they need?
The water was for mars and Luna. Belters give, earth and mars take.
The Cant had no point defense at all? I get that its a civilian ship and likely wouldn't have had the capability to shoot down the incoming missiles, but come on. What about pirates? What about the random asteroid hurtling towards the ship. At least give the ol' girl a manually-operated PDC or two to fend for itself.
Space is big and empty. Stray asteroid hitting a small target like Cant is very unlikely, so arming ice hauler with torpedoes for that would be overkill.
I give you the pirates though.
Pirates weren't an issue really. It's a belter ship hauling low value cargo, and the pirates were nearly all belters who for the most part, left their own kind alone and went after richer prey.
Remember the Cant !!!!!!!!
Can't change what happened to the Cant.
I'm sure any Australian crew would pronounce the Cant with a *u*
Have you ever hear the australians say the word you are implying. Maybe they all try to say it but with australian accent as a in joke
@@scraplord6390 We just use it as an adjective and a verb… and a noun, and a…
[As for _can't,_ we pronounce it sounding like _car]._
Many people here in Australia say "cunt" pretty casually as it's such a versatile word. In many instances it's used interchangeably with the word "person" the same way we say dude, guy, etc...
@@casbot71 No i mean from my experience australians saying cunt sounds like cant anyway. So,what i am saying they could as well cant the cant cunt with fake australian accnt and no one would notice.
@@23pyromaniac Im from Ireland so I never shyed away from cunt in casual conversation neither. I think its just americans getting upset over it xD
The most epic scene was turnover for deceleration. Don't know why they were pushing ice from saturn must be ice in the belt.
Apparently the belt has been overexploited, if you consider that Ceres, now mostly water, is completely mined of its water by the time of the Expanse. Damn inners
There likely is, but with 2-3 centuries of heavy mining for both the belt and Mars' terraforming project the big, easily mined stuff is indicated to be less common, while the rings of saturn are mostly ice.
The Cantaberry is for as old as she is does well.
Remember the Cant.
Well I suppose a 100 year old ship can't get out of the way of missiles fired by a stealth warship would be the obvious line
you cant keep a good ship down, unless you er on the side of "kill it with fire" and bury it with overwhelming firepower.
Well simple, no Cant, no water, everybody dehydrates. Cant = water.
Of course an expanse video...these guys just "Cant" help themselves. 😁 🖖
CANT Forever!
This video made me realise something thats wrong with the Cant. It's the only ship in the Expanse that has to have artificial gravity due to how it maintained gravity while still performing harvesting operations.
Oh and because of how they boarded the Knight. They climbed into the it on a ladder, which would have meant it has to be docked in the bow of the Cant else the decks are orientated incorrectly with the drive systems.
That and the ship has no hand rails, nothing is secured down, and the captains quarters have loose soil in them, meaning zero G (which is required for harvesting) would be beyond dangerous and messy.
Not sure about that. In season 2/3 they make a lot of "prax panels" on the Rocinante which are basically small potted plants. They stay in their soil just fine in both 1G and zero G. They only fly out when the Roci starts making high G combat maneuvers. Something the Cant isn't capable of.
@@xJavelin1 those panels are apparently designed for low/zero g, the soil is sealed in. Not sure how they do it, but the are apparently designed for it. The soil on the cant however was lose on the floor, it wouldn't stay on the floor.
@@cgi2002 I'd have to check the books to be sure about that. But...even if you're right wasn't the (show) XO crazy? So planting those plants like that wouldn't make sense anyway?
Plus, in the books Holden was the XO of the Cant from the start. So this is a show only issue. And likely a screwup since it does occur in the pilot...
@@xJavelin1 that's the point. They made a massive deal about realism with space travel for most of the show, and yet the very 1st episode has a massive hole.
Even disregarding the soil, look at the ship itself. If your planning on zero g, corridors should have handholds/rails for zero g travel.
And the knight is still oriented wrong when you see them board it and it launch. It launches from the top of the ship, meaning the decks in the cant would be at 90 degree right angles form it, not vertically below it.
Also as i said, all harvesting operations would been to be done with the ship basically stationary/matched velocity to the ice, so no thrust meaning no thrust gravity aboard ship, else the ice would just smash into the cant.
I know it's a little thing, but it's still an oversight that bugs me.
There are other oversights that can't really be well explained. For example they Martian marines "earth gravity training", just to adapt your body to earth's gravity should take, months if not years in constant 1g thrust, due to them been born with a much weaker bone & muscle structure. So now you need a huge ship (no point training a few dozen at a time) constantly under thurst going back and forward in the solar system for years at a time. Also, the moment you stop the training, they would start to deteriorate rapidly, meaning naval ships should also spend all their time under constant 1g thrust, meaning you need to train your naval crew to live in that too.
Earth forces troops however have the opposite problem, any time spent in microgravity would need to be countered with retraining. And in theory they could trian in 3g always if mars can do 1g.
@@cgi2002 There are other issues from the pilot which were also dropped. One of which was the far more accurate (to the books) display of a belter body - being tortured in this case. That was 100% accurate to the books yet was dropped.
We should always give a pilot a little slack. If it's picked up they'll get more money and can pay better attention to/fix these issues. If not, it doesn't matter anyway.
The Beast Mothership from Homeworld Cataclysm
Nothing new there, it's a company owned civilian ship, the sci-fi version of today's Oil tanker Ships
Old, outdated, almost falling apart AND... money saving for the company xD
Who gives a sh*t about employee safety, defensive weaponry (the cargo isn't profitable, NO! xD) or efficient operating design? xD
I really have to disagree that physical buttons are inferior to touchscreen. With non critical stuff touchscreen are good since they save weight and can be configured as any function. As critical functions physical buttons are great since you can push buttons without looking the controller. This is the modern cockpits are done nowdays f-35, airbus glass cockpits, spacex dragon capsule...
REMEMBER THE CANT!!
No time to watch this today, but you get a like nonetheless.
Also, hello to the ghosts of 2 Protogen specops who disliked this video
There is 16 now. I don't remember Protogen having that many
The Cant would be purged for Warp Taint in 40k.
in reality it was the scapu when it send the distress call
3:09 🤣🤣🤣
my guess is they removed passenger area witch had most wreck and other physicalitys .
So it most likely a death trap that wood be don to make money
Tbh not really, they may have removed some of it but I suspect most was cargo space. Colonists don't need excess comfort for the relatively short trips they'll be taking.
With an Epstein drive running at 1g, you can move about the solar system alot faster than you realise.
Distance from earth to Saturn is between 1.2 and 1.7 billion km.
After 24 hours of acceleration (not counting the distance covered in that time), a ship would, if it stopped accelerating (current speed is 846,720m/s or 846.72km/s), reach Saturn in between 16.4 days and 23.23days, but that's not how it would work. In reality you will be accelerating constantly until the half way point, then flip and slow down. Makes the math a right pain to do, but I can give a rough estimate.
Short distance: 8.1 days.
Long Distance: 9.65 days.
And this is assuming the ship starts at 0ms and ends at 0ms, which it wouldn't, but the math is even worse if I start adding in the relative velocities of Earth and Saturn (my head may explode).
@@cgi2002 1/3 ship crew and ship nasty 1/3 passenger 1/3 cargo 1/2 passenger 1/2 non passenger remove passenger zone now1/3 crew 2/3 cargo . i estimated mane med bay, mane lounge, and passenger
ps think T back crew no passenger, bottom front cargo no passenger, top front passenger zone ok
@@cgi2002 And it wood take weeks or more be cos g fores to fast will kill them true g fores is Les in space but stile no warping just mock speed at most
@@omegacommand1 that's the thing, there are actually no g forces involved beyond the ships actual thrust.
G forces are imparted by a change of velocity in space. So only accelerating or decelerating generates them. You can travel at 10kmph or 1million kmph and it'd feel the exact same. That's why in the expanse if you want gravity on a ship you need to be using your drive. As for lateral g forces, those are possible but your u likely to experience anything like you would on a planet due to the relative weakness of the maneuvering thrusters.
The exception to this rule is however the actual effect of gravity, if you flew too close to a large planetary or solar mass, you would experience gravity from it, and depending on how strong that force is, it could kill you.
@@cgi2002 space is 3d hi burn to fast die turn in hi burn die desalinate to fast become like gay fast burn into ring vortex or just die hit space garbage like astride die and engines trust is so much and first gen ma by sicken gen but not their gen engines its like saying a race car 30 years old shod kepi up with a marination race care and they did say how long it wood take from earth to the bleat so wreaks don't seam so far of with all the problems true ps i gave you a thrum up
Well naturally. "As long as it works...enough.. it's okay if it's ugly.. with no alibi". Same thing goes with doodads these days -only they often ARE pretty...but, don't last..as long as a wee lassy on a spring trail hike, with poor old Dad..trailing.. farther and farther behind.
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I'm not mad though, if you want to do the best way to get veiws, go for it.
Airlock, medbay, same thing, sa
One thing I dislike about the show is unlike Star Wars, Star Trek, Macross, or even Warhammer there is so little lore and details on the ship types. Like Mass Effect we see ships but get little to no stats for most of them. Infuriates me.