The Expanse's Anti-Piracy Pirate Gunship
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- Опубликовано: 9 авг 2020
- Today we continue our series covering the ships of The Expanse. The OPAS Tynan is Klaes Ashford's anti-piracy gunship mancave!
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This ship is the dedicated gamer ship of the expanse, why else would they have a flat screen monitor 2 meters away from the captains chair
Lots of buttons, monitor screens, no glass, no oxygen, uses life supports room as a second shield, increases the armor plates, take out the bridge and use the sensor relay room as inner bridge. More armor, more shields, an AI close ranger gun ship 3 months of Oxygen before entering a planet basically a sub with no gravity.
Non consensually borrowed is almost a legitimate salvage
David Strathairn was so damn excellent as Ashford that I would have watched a season of him knitting sweaters
What's even better than a man-cave? A gunship man-cave!
Regarding buttons. I helped set up and operate comms on a warship, depending on the ship 90% of the buttons in an ops center are bullshit and never get used.
Also, hanging wires are generally indicative of new/temporary equipment being set up and the techs being too lazy to cinch the connections down properly. Marine units usually bring our own equipment and lay it on top of the Navy's on deployments. Running just a few feet of lines can take hours, and sometimes people just wanna get the trash set up and leave.
Fun fact, the "steering wheel like device" looks disturbingly like the gunner control yoke form a modern armored vehicle (I was a gunner on both the ITV and Bradley armored vehicles in the 1980s). Book VS Show, in the books Belter ships have aesthetic where safety equipment are visible from any part of the room, in the show they just made lots of really big buttons and had tubing and conduit hanging from ceiling. There tends not to be an "up" on Belter ships from the books where they actually spend a lot of time on the float in 0g because they can't afford expensive Epstein drives, it's a little harder to do in the show and this is easily forgiven as they have to film in 1g here on Earth. As for "standing above the airlock", there's no "up" in space, they have grav boots and could very well be standing on the walls, this was just shot this way for psychological effect, your capture standing above you handing out mercy or death at their whim.
Also the Roci stering is a 3DConnexions Space Mouse. I use one like it for computer assisted design.
From the outside shots, it looks like it was a salvaged former MRCN ship, but it was only the back half of a ship with a jerry-rigged bridge. You can see the half of MRCN logo on the outside.
Well spotted 😅
It's half a ship, the original bridge was in the half that's gone, Belters just made a new one with what they had, they most likely made the new bridge in what was a cargo bay, you can even see half an MCRN marking on the hull.
It seems reasonable to me to assume that the Tynan uses the frame of an MCRN ship but many elements could have been added or replaced by elements of UNN ships. Things like the graplers or the breaching pod appear to be Belter made, and having to use consoles designed by different armies would explain why some systems seem to only be able to control from a particular console.
I imagine the Mars tech gave the belters a lot of problems they fixed by installing mostly their own dated hardware to take over for the touch screens, or it could've broken and been replaced as they wouldn't have known how to fix it.
It might actually be the other way around, that the Tynan is a very old ship that Ashford stole decades ago and has been patching in new equipment and modifying it ever since
weldonwin it could have been modified with salvaged tech from the Earth-Martian War. There were plenty of ships destroyed, and lots of things to salvage
@@dankuser8303 True and the Tynan herself does look like a bit of a Cut-N-Shut job, where they took an older Martian gunship, cut it up and welded in back together with parts from other ships. But I'm still of the opinion that the Tynan is an old vessel, that Ashford has been commanding her a long time
weldonwin I think she was probably and old vessel that Ashford had stolen a while ago, but was very sturdy and reliable. They probably scavenged PDCs torps, and various other components to make a decent gunship
@@dankuser8303 The Grapple clamp on the bow is probably a new addition too. Really, the Tynan reminds me of a Technical, where you take a flatbed pickup truck and mount a heavy machine gun on the back and some bolted on armor. It ain't pretty, but it works
Actually the airlock is like that on the roci, they were simply standing on the wall with their mag boots in zero g.
The airlock hallway remind me a bit of the ISS. There is no dedidated floor or ceiling. Any of the four walls can be your floor or ceiling whenever you feel like it. On the ISS it's the same, especially in the centre where the modules connect.
On the other ships we've seen so far like the Roci, Hammurabi, Scirocco and Agatha King, there is a designated floor that is used for walking. The crew of the Roci isn't just gonna act like the wall is their floor now.
The only other ship that feels similar are the Amun-Ra stealth ships. They appeared to have identical floors and ceilings. The crew could effectively walk upside down and not have the feeling that they're walking on the ceiling.
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gravity is a beer
and inertia is debatable
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this is the best series ever. and dreadfully accurate. except, no i got nothin else.
Of course, there's keyboards, mood lighting and gamer's chairs on a pirate hunting pirate ship. You have to follow the pirate's code after all....
You know, one major weakness that I often see with Martin ships is they have a minimalist mindset. And by that, I mean that they only equip their ships to what they consider the bare minimum to complete its job. For example, despite having the space for it, the Donnager class ships is actually under-equipped when it comes to point defense. And the only reason I can find why was it was considered an adequate amount of protection despite some sources claiming it is less protected from enemy fire than the old Truman class ships that overemphasize in defense for a ship its size. Meaning the skimp on what they consider not essential in what is essential for if they had 60 point defense like the Truman class instead of 48 the ship carriers, then maybe not a single missile would have hit the Donnager. This is further emphasized with Martain Corvets like the Rocinante when people like a former UN Navy Officer like Holden and former OPA Naomi consider the amount of ammunition it has to be small for a ship like the size and worries that in large scale fights that Alex would burn through most if not all their ammunition in a single fight. Showing that the Corvet is designed to operate with a mothership or station to resupply after every battle, never alone as it can barely support itself outside fleet operations or reconnaissance.
So, the reason we see no buttons on Martain ships is that they probably do not have a backup if the screen gets damaged.
I actually really like the rugged, utilitarian, "used" look of the Tynan. It is a great contrast to ships like the Roci and feels like the sort of thing Ashford would be used to using from his pirating days. I also really liked this aspect of the Cant.
Looks like a ship built from salvaged warship wrecks from the earth-mars war, scrapheap challenge style. Something belters do very well. In the books, visuals can be obtained by the use of powerful telescopes, found on all warships, as long as you know where to look. If you do know where to point the scope, you can look at your target all day and night long. If you don't know where they are, and their drive is off, good luck, space is big. Very big. I'd also like to point out that the holographic display in the series is by no means advanced high warship technology, as Miller uses one in his apartment on Ceres to track the Scopuli, so for Ashford to jack one into his ship seems about as complicated as upgrading the stereo in your car with some subwoofers.
my guess it´s an outdated MCRN recon ship....it would make sense to have a ship that can overwhelm everything smaller and run from everything bigger....and the recon suite would make sense for a prolonged mission profile.
The Expanse is such a damn good show, thank you guys for putting me on it!
At 5:30 (approximate) you mention that Asheford has a gunner and the Roci does not. The seat directly to Alex's left (that Bobbie sits in while she is strapped in) is the primary weapons station, although from the books we know that command is decentralized and everything except manual piloting can be rerouted to any of the command consoles for division of duties when it is fully manned. I don't want to spoiler you, but Alex does get a gunner later on (at least in the books)
Given that, during his almost execution, Marco was on the float, it's possible the crew were standing on the "wall" next to the airlock door. Any direction can be "down" when not under acceleration.
It's likely the the technological disparity between bridge consoles and stations is caused by the older nature of the ship itself. Over time, certain components may have been upgraded or added/removed. For instance, the central console that drops from the ceiling is obviously more advanced than the rest of the consoles, so it was likely a later addition to the ship and not part of the original design. Just my thoughts on the matter.
7:47 they are in 0G thats why they can stand on the "wall", you can do that in the rocinante or any other ship too
On the note of the fact that Alex operates both the weapons and piloting, this is something that is called out repeatedly in the books that these are usually two seperate roles on the vessel but that the Rocinante is so horribly understaffed that they don't have a gunner. In the books when Bobby hooks up with them in the second book she takes gunnery (she is a gunnery sergeant and has an explanation for what that means that I won't go into here), but it was shown that while she was aboard their weapons fire was more accurate and efficient since they had someone in a dedicated role. The thing about military equipment is redundancy, if one crew member of a tank gets taken out the tank isn't down, someone else can fill more than one roll and generally an entire vehicle crew is cross trained across multiple roles for redundancy.
In the case of the Rocinante it is under maned so Alex acts as pilot/gunner with a full crew these would be separate roles. Alex is still a bad ass though
It's a Gunship Man-Cave, those tanks are obviously beer kegs!!
Well, part of the MCRN logo is seen in the outer hull/armor, so they at least used some MCRN salvage
Much of the long range tracking is using telescopes. It's in the texts "put a scope in that" and in dialogue.
Nothing in the world could've prepared me for for the absoluted trauma and emotional assult of Ashford being spaced.
It was one of 5 things about the show that wrecked me.
Suggestion: A breakdown video about Space battleship Yamato (from Space Battleship Yamato 2199/2202)
The two tanks on the Tynan are bottled air . It feeds into a manifold that serves the helmets that Ashford has on in battle . Then the pel-tac (bridge) can be breeched by explosion and anyone on the bridge wearing a helmet won't suffocate strapped to seats or fumbling to close the puncture ? Makes sense huh ?
Ironically, the Tynan's console design looks the most practical and most similar to a modern navigational bridge of a seagoing vessel (sans the windows), as you would expect from a ship that is constructed by people actually accustomed to being on a ship (i.e. belters), not some commitee (like Agatha King bridge clearly is) or a retrofit of a chapel (like Behemoth bridge is, explicitly).
There is a reason why physical controls (switches and buttons, and sticks and knobs as well) are used for many critical functions, and it has to do with how they can be reliably operated even in a stressful situation. Muscle memory is a thing, and it is important. On the other hand, putting multiple displays at any station useful for redundancy when inevitable one of them fails. I would have liked them to be uniform in size, though.
Bobbie is the Gunny, removing some load from Alex, later when she’s crew.
Does this comment age gracefully?
@@Maj_Kasul She removed his load as far as being the martian on the ship
The airlock is not facing downward but on the side like in any other ship. It's the characters that are standing on the wall. They must be in 0g and have stuck their magboots to the wall to be above Marco. At 7:41 you can see it is a door not a tapdoor, the way airlock is written and it links to the floor means that the way we see it is the way it should be seen. It is even clearer at 7:47. It would be stupid to create a hangar that would be so narrow but with such a high ceiling when in 1g. The crates are clearly anchored to the "wall" which is actually th e floor. It's a great directing trick to convey how there is no real up or down for the belters, and they are way more comfortable in 0g than others. Our little inner minds were tricked easily.
Consider the dragon space capsule from SpaceX. Originally Elion musk wanted just touchscreens. But the US military and already had a issue with touchscreen only controls for a new destroyer. They lost control of it because the touchscreen got touchy. So the lesson they learned is they need a back up manual interaction. You’ll see with the new Dragon space capsule they have buttons at the bottom of the touchscreen. They were not unlike up down left right and enter. There is a place for actual physical buttons even in the future
I am enjoying your breakdowns of The Expanse. Very good work! Thank you.
Non-consensually borrowed sounds real bad out of context
You had fun with this video's title, didn't you?
I think the age and level of technology of the ship varies by the number of parts and modules it is built of. One must remember, the Tynan is a belter ship. More specifically a (ex-)pirate wessel of Ashford's. So basically it was built from all the "scrap" materials a belter engineer has access to and many times retrofitted with whatever they were able to steal raiding other ships, salvage from crippled wessels or trade in exchange for stolen goods.
So there you have it, a ship that looks stone age basic on the one side and has some cutting edge techs, like - especially by belter standards - very powerful and advanced weapon systems (salvaged perhaps from crippled Martian warships?) on the other.
While its possible that some of the video is being relayed through drones I imagine most of those other craft are being tracked by Telescope since all that seperates most ships is a huge expanse of nothing and Epstein Plumes are easy to track once you know where they are.
Add that with a military infrastructure that has multiple High powered telescopes in several positions through the solar system and pretty much every ship that can go anywhere is being actively tracked to make sure they correspond to their flight plans.
Pirates have to use clever tricks to slip under the eyes of watchers, like pretending to be other ships, going on the float for long distances and minimizing use of the Epstein.
Letting wires hang from the ceiling is a better use of space?!? Since when? After working construction for over twenty years, that is not a true statement at all.
Definitely! In addition you'd want to run the wires through conduit to reduce the risk of fire. Especially in an enclosed atmosphere as on a small/medium ship like that.
Hanging wires and conduits are a very bad idea in a ship which could experience acceleration of multiple gee, perhaps in more than one direction
I was curious if anyone else picked-up on that too.
i always thought the idea was that they are easier to repair and replace when they aren't hidden behind panels. Perhaps the visual effects people should make them look more secure to avoid problems of them being loose and kinda flying around, but the general idea makes sense to me.
Have you ever been in a warship? Exposed wire tracks in the overhead is standard.
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Looks like a salvage job on a fairly intact old MCRN model. Which is exactly what i think it is.
Operationally, big buttons on combatant command consoles are great for just all the reasons. My favorite is a human factors consideration: they're easier to press accurately under maneuvers, where G loading may shift rapidly and unpredictability, causing among many other effects, temporary deformation of the eyes and affecting vision and depth perception.
Exercise: Chop a dozen onions without a tissue (or goggles), then have someone drive you around a rally course while you type a soliloquy on your phone, and the advantage of big analog buttons becomes clear. Also simplicity of action means simplicity of repair. A button that closes a wire circuit is simplicity itself to jury rig.
Belters seem to favor low-tech reliability over high-tech style, and analog buttons are boss hog.
I never knew i would be up for a review of a button panel on a fictional space gunship
Haha, careful, I might start a whole channel just on button panels.
I initially thought the Tynan was half a ship, that had been repurposed.
some say that the Tynan is 36m in length what would mean that it has smaller than 30m body, but ships like that usually have one airlock, while the Tynan has 2, and additionally room for 4+ strike team breaching pod and genuine missile launcher..and here we can see the Tynan docked at Medina station dock that is ~60-70m wide/long(docking ring)and the Tynan is ~70% of docking ring length..
having dedicated screens for different monitoring systems makes sense. If you only had a handfull of screens that were all subdivided to show all the info, you would find yourself often searching for which screen has the info you are looking for at any moment. Not as difficult when that info has its own dedicated screen.
The Screen on the wall of the bridge is within Focus of All of the crew.
Which would be a courtesy of the captain to let the crew observe their tasking’s progress whilst they have an idle moment.
Allowing them to add input and assist on their own instinct rather then be completely blind to the recon/ scan data or intel.
It would be necessary for when the captain is in control. But all crew need to know.
Whilst not having them all jeopardise their stations screen to watch the captain get a kill streak.
Ashford is just a sweaty try hard Vouyer.
Could you do a video on where Ashford gets his hair done. I feel hair dressing is an aspect of the Expanse universe you've hitherto neglected.
I honestly believe he lost his hairbrush in a drunken bet about 20 years prior to the events of the show and simply hasn't touched his hair since.
Looks like he does his hair with a 110.
if we look at modern naval equipment, we can see that it matches the UN ship. the US only uses proprietary equipment making it hard for others to hack or understand the capabilities of the equipment. the downside of this is that it costs a lot more, and tends to be less advanced. civilian stuff which gets used in military tend to be rigged together leading to advanced civilian tech mixed in with older 'standard' military equipment. both of these match what we see on the expanse based on their situation/military structure. the mars ship with its super advanced is basically a typical sci fi ideal of everything being the best and most advanced stuff.
In regards to the buttons and screens. In our own navy there are old ships that have been updated so much that it will look like that.
Hi American Ben,
I was wondering if you ever do a versus video, can you cover The Mandalorians (Star Wars) vs The Elites (Halo), to see which warrior culture would come out on top, also the use of tactics, arsenal and equipment.
It's up to you, but it's just an idea I would like to see on your channel, anyways love your videos and take care.
The martian Marine corp would crush them !
@@auxencefromont1989 You talking about the Martine Marine Corps from the expanse if so they would get demolished by the Mandalorians.
I think the Tynan is an amalgamation of salvaged MCRN warship wreckage. Part of its forward structure seems like it was taken from a Morrigan class destroyer.
Favorite ship in the whole damn series
Okay the probe thing makes me think, where are probes in the expanse? You'd think it'd be really easy to slap an IRST or ELINT system on a torpedo, send it out to where you think stuff might be and it could passively detect targets without making it too obvious that you're out there looking around. You could probably fit some kind of radar on one as well, but those would obviously be easier to detect.
“Legitimate Salvage”
“We found the ship just floating in space after we killed their crew!”
An explanation for the amount of screens and buttons msybe that most of these systems are after-market or custom made each subsystem has an individual monitor and small control console instead of a nice big modular display. The navigator may control atmo and the docking bay doors. While the gunner controls the security cameras cameras and doors as well.
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I find it extremely fitting that an anti-pirate pirate ship was made of salvaged/stolen/borrowed pieces from its previous victims/customers.
Hello glad to be back
The tynan vs alex split with regards to weapons and piloting could be explained with design concept variations. Also it could be that the Roci has a purpose built ai that is able to handle the Roci with no human interaction, the belter ship may not have the same level of super-computer.
Also the placement of the airlock at the bottom would be to a psychological advantage against inners as the belts dont think in terms of up and down as permanent but more perspective.
Alex handles helm and weapons because they are short crew members. It’s not ideal but he’s awesome and can manage. They will pick up an extra crew member later that will sit the gunners seat next to Alex and act as a dedicated weapons officer (quite effectively)
Please keep up the expanse stuff!
Cool! Waiting for videos about Tom Clancy's universe!
Its a normal airlock you can see the walk way on what is oriented as the roof. however they were purposefully in zero g in order to facilitate the execution. The prisoner was left suspended in the centre of the air lock with no momentum and no way to create any so in effect he was completely restrained and there for no need to be bound. I like to think thet belters wish to die and kill as free people. The way they were standing might have been ceremonial but it was definitely an amazing piece of cinematography.
That big screen is a space pirate equivalent of standing desk.
04:10 but how accurate would be those Rocinante touchscreens in case of decompression, when pilot should operate in space suit with adequate compression gloves?
Great piece guys. I really liked the Expanse and am pumped that American Ben and co did too. On the critique side of the Expanse, did anyone else find theistic or religious themes in the show (and found them a bit jarring)? If folks at Gen films did, I'd be interested in an ep about it. Look forward to more from G.F.
it reminds me of that half mcrn ship the roci tried to grave rob for ammo in season three and found survivors. still cool tho
Belters live their lives in those ships. They know every inch of them the way you or I know our own homes.
And the mixture of those ships old and new technology makes sense. They would be constantly upgrading those ships in piecemeal as they salvage (see pirate) new technology
Tynan love! Woo!
3:45 the tynan looks like it has comically large antenna around the ship! I’m guessing it’s some sort of advanced scanner
Best control is mixed control. Typing is much faster on physical keyboard. Manual maneuvering is much more precise with a joystick. Emergency functions need to be always accessible regardless of the active screen on the touchscreen device. See the SpaceX Dragon Capsule: 90% touch screen with a few lines of physical buttons under them. All touch-screen is not good.
hey the Nostromo has buttons switches and it worked
Buttons and switches are reliable though. They work.... in many situations a flat screen wouldn't. Especially with big gloves on, just ask a construction worker in winter how much gloves fuck things up. Ah, you mentioned there's advantages later on in video.
It may have been said already, but those two tanks next to the command chair may contain "juice" for the crew during high G burns
Those tanks are actually beer kegs
I built the tynan on starfield :) my character is klaes and looks a lot like him with the burns and wrinkles freckles etc
Let's not forget that belters climb up in a ship way before than any other in the system also they really need to learn how the thing works for survival
The ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 Parsecs. She's got a lot of special modifications. The Tynan got it where it counts. Besides, who is going to fly it, you?
With the airlock. There is no down in space. 😂
It looks to me like OPAS Tynan is in fact salvaged wreck of Morrigan Class Patrol Destroyer . I think it may be the same one that "Roccie" found when they were looking for ammo after crippling the UNN Frigate that was chasing the Razorback - MCRN "Kittur Chennamma" was the name of the ship, and You can see that MCRN Hammurabi discards it after transferring survivors in S03EP5. That's why it has unique bridge, as "Kittur Chennamma" command deck was sheared off by a railgun hit, in a surprise attack by UNN battle group. Ensign Loftis and Ensign Sinopoli talk about this while being treated in "Roccies" Med-Bay
I'm sure the Tynan was already in that configuration when the Rocinante found the KC, I don't think the time-line meshes with your theory.
@@d3ltaohniner261 In the TV series we meet Ashford for the first time after the UN-MCR war (Season 3 Episode 7 "Delta-V"). While The Kittur Chennamma is destroyed during the war (Season 3 episode 4 Reload). So as far as the "Timeline" goes the theory holds...
I wanna that Man cave. =D
I'm guessing the Tynan was an older ship that had been sitting in a mothball yard when it was "borrowed" or Mars my have donated BECAUSE it was antiquated.
My guess for the screen being so far away from the captain is probably a trade off between usability and visibility
physical buttons & switches don't BSoD, are easily maintained, are extremely reliable, and reduce the length of the circuit they are tied into in the advent of an EMP. (Oh yea, rogue AI can't operate physical toggles)
I'd be willing to bet these ships were designed as cheap disposable defense ships, with "monkey see, monkey do" training in mind. The "feel" of them reminds me of the US Navy's early "P.T. boat"s - small, cramped, dirty, and cheap.
Plus buttons are easy to work with heavy gloves on.
@@thomasking5472 that would also explain why NASA's space shuttles use so many toggles & buttons - and being made to be operated in an EVA suit beats the hell out of any of my excuses.
Two tanks in the middle of a man-cave... Of course they are beer kegs!!! What else!?!?
Space people of the future will look at this, the way we look at the Jetsons.
Actually, the airlock orientation was probably just because they were in Zer0-G.
Good another ship to the anti xeno fleet
Modern battleships still use crank phones and buttons and switches because they can work without power like after an emp from a nuclear blast
I am gonna guess tynan original is a MCRN Morrigan Class destroyer which later destroyed in war and salvage by belter which then retrofit with UNN parts and belter parts
it looks like the back half of a ship. Also why are none of the buttons apparently labeled?
Makes me think it was state of the art but in between what you say is new and old.
Like designers hadn't got there heads around the new tech yet
The splitting of helm and fire control being stated as a weakness. . . I don't know. It depends on the weapon I would say. I mean the venerable F14 Tomcat had a weapons officer in back for handling the long range missiles. So I can't narrow it down to ship scale or direction of weapons.
The mix of touch screens and physical controls. I think I will have to agree with others that it is a ship with a mixed bag of tech. Either an older ship that has been updated. Or a higher tech ship that is repaired with what is on hand. Multiple stations to look over different things going on? Well, yeah ship. That is going to be a constant the sensor officer does not have to have his whole view right in front of the captain all the time.
The defending of divided screens however I need to come back to the real world. Navy drafting areas with windows and all the rest had to go split screen again. Putting drawings on a center screen. And the tool pallet on one side screen with documentation on yet another. This allows the information of a single screen to be as large as it needs to be for a given function. Can some be handled by just one screen? Yes. But not always as well.
As to the good captain living on his ship even docked. Well I always wondered about that. If you basically live aboard your ship, isn't it your house? Basically this is a house boat. You pulled into a new dock and town. You might check out a movie or hit a restaurant. But your home is that boat. So why rent a hotel room or the like? So it makes sense for it to be the man cave.
And if you look at that console with the keyboard it seems to be the only one that actually had it this would emphasize to me that that was to be a more Universal console after all command line is still the most efficient way of inputting data into a computer it's just harder for some people to understand but that would explain why the keyboard was there also would explain why on the erratic physical controls ships they use gui displays because each station is optimized for specific purpose where's that particular station if not in other words as a general purpose console thereby it uses the most versatile input device a keyboard
Spoilers for Season 5.
5:30 Now no one does.
i was about to say, it's sad he was one of my fav. characters
What streaming service has the expanse. I would like to watch it but I don't know where
Amazon prime
Fog for the disco...LOL-!
The screen in front of his seat would be nice for the rest of the crew if they need to see what he's doing.
It looks like a old mcrn warship that got damaged in battle years ago and they found it and brought it back into working order better style.
Sorry to be a downer here , but where was the Tynan when her captain needed her most?
Spoilers to follow if you haven't seen the last episode of season 4. (and an angry rant as well)
What good did all that cool swag do for Ashford in the end?
Was there nobody left back on the Tynan during the raid on Marco's ship in case something went wrong? Maybe they should have taken out Marco's Epstien Drive before they boarded his ship. Maybe they should have called for backup. Did they think Marco wouldn't put up much of a fight? What did they think would happen with three people vs Marco's entire crew? Isn't he one of the most notorious pirates currently operating? Maybe they should have just shadowed Marco for awhile and reported back to Drummer. Or maybe, just maybe, they should have blown Marco's ship to pieces and solved this problem once and for all. If any of these things had been done Ashford would still be alive for crying out loud.
Sorry for my rant. As you can see I'm still angry about Ashford's exit from The Expanse. He was a great character and he will be missed. And if you think I'm mad about Ashford's death, wait until Drummer finds out.
Dittoes. Klaes was recording Marcos' all the way out the airlock. Drummer is gonna carve her initials into Marcos' chest with a belter's compressed gas-operated pickaxe as her tattoo needle. I feel in Season-5 Drummer will be presented with Klaes, found by his shipmates... Its a damn good question where the heck the rest of his 6-man crew are, and the Tynan...but I suppose that question has to wait until the Fall season begins. I play a Traveller-RPG Belter about Klaes' age, a man of varied careers before he took ship aboard an armed yacht as a lowly interstellar curmudgeon. I soooo identify with that rascal. I will miss him sorely. Camina will avenge him.