"Radar Contact Lost" | Pilot Not Responding + BELLY LANDING at Billings
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Unable to find further info on this. Anyone here?
www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:95:::NO::P95_EVENT_LCL_DATE,P95_LOC_CITY_NAME,P95_REGIST_NBR:12-MAR-24,BILLINGS,N299AV preliminary notice, hopefully will be more info in future
I found a local news story from the KTVQ news website with a corresponding date and the same type of aircraft.
"BILLINGS Mar 12, 2024 - An aircraft made an emergency landing at Billings Logan International Airport on Tuesday morning after losing power after take off.
Jeff Roach, the director of aviation and transit at the airport, said the incident happened at about 8 a.m. when a twin-engine King Air aircraft departed the airport and "immediately lost all power."
The pilot declared an emergency, Roach said, and returned to land on the airport's main runway.
"Due to the power loss, the pilot attempted to lower the landing gear manually, but it did not lock in place and the aircraft landed with the gear in the retracted position," Roach said in an email to Q2 News."
@@CMDR_Nefthat's awesome info. Thanks for sharing.
He lost his electrics. Gear was down but didn't lock and collapsed on touchdown.
I bet Juan will find stuff.
Top class ATC for recognizing the situation immediately and acting appropriately! True professionals!
It's part of the standards and recommended practices.
@@markor2476And rarely excercised in a timely fashion as it was here
This is the kind of professionalism that makes me feel safe in the sky. Kudos controllers! Great job by the crew getting back safely in an emergency!
@@markor2476 I'll bet you never leave a tip, either.
This kind of ATC proactive calls also clears the pilot mind (if he was able to hear it) : "ok, ATC is managing my airspace and prepare everything, I can really focus on aviate without having to remind him that I don't want to see another plane anywhere near me"
Cleared to land any runway.
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Oh, is that not good enough for you? Ok, cleared to land any surface.
I think that's more acknowledging reality than permission.
United Airlines Flight 232. "Roger. You want to be particular and make it a runway, huh?"
@@MaxZomboni : thanks! I remembered something like this but couldn't find it.
"Whether it's gray or green, as long as it's inside the airport fence you have my blessing"
@@MaxZomboni Was that actual ATC comment to 232?
Congratulations for the controller to keep talking to "nobody" in case the pilot were listening and couldn't answer back and, of course, also for immediately recognizing the emergency
Also it covers his ass because investigators can just replay the tape from ATC and find out exactly what he did
First time I hear "Cleared to land any surface"
That covers Harrison Ford too.
Practically its a useless callout but what it amounts to is the ATC saying “put the plane down wherever you can and we’ll all worry about the consequences later.”
@@markmaki4460more than a dozen airliners I can think of that did the same, or tried.
It’s a good way of reminding the pilot that they don’t have to maneuver around to a prevailing runway, if there’s a shorter path they need based on glide.
There really is no need to say that. Gravity says it for you.
But some of the others above make good points. A lot of pilots die trying to make a runway when they had alternatives. Reminding this pilot of that probably did no harm.
"cleared to land any surface" is never what you want to hear as a pilot :(. Great job by ATC all around on this one.
Fortunately in this case the pilot didn't hear it! Unfortunately, the silence was even more worrying.
Unless you are landing and can't make a runway.
If you hear "I'm gonna declare an emergency FOR YOU" followed by "You're clear to land ANY SURFACE " Then you know fun is over and the pilot got no time to talk.
great job ATC
A++ controllers damn, no hesitation, no BS, just doing their best without distracting a clearly distressed pilot. good job to all
Well, even if the controller was distracting, the pilot won't be able to hear that anyway since it looks like the electrical completely gone in this one, means no inbound comm received...
Well done Billings ATC and a great job doing a belly landing by the pilots. Will be interesting to learn more details on this one.
I'm not a pilot, but I am some anonymous guy from the internet, so I think my opinion's just as good as anybody else's!
I'll withhold the egregiously ignorant know-it-all remark just this once to say that the professionalism of all involved is pretty impressive, particularly on the part of the pilot since he had a pretty cognitively challenging task to perform under extreme pressure.
The pilot was following the correct order: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. He might have lost all power and comms but at the very least he had his hands full, and got the plane down safely. He knew that the ATC would be watching him descend and turn back to the airport, and knew that the ATC can put two and two together.
It’s actually refreshing to see a pilot in an emergency saying nothing to ATC. He had better things to do.
I suppose Dan will get after him for turning back instead of going straight ahead
Yeah, ATC did a fantastic job recognizing the return, declaring the emergency on their behalf and clearing the air. Well done.
@@williamedwards1528 LOL… probably not with the altitude that they had, but fair point. 🙂
@@williamedwards1528 He had climbed over 10000 feet, so this was a safe choice. The advice you are referring to is when you are close to the ground.
I like how it went from "Any runway" to "any surface."
Communicating instead of flying the airplane is the equivalent of laying on the car horn instead of steering away and out of a crash! Job well done!
Aviate, navigate, communicate. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost their electronics in some major way.
Yet so many people do that, in both airplanes and cars.
@@GWNorth-db8vnAgreed, first Mode C fails, then transponder fails, gear didn't come down ... not a stretch to think radios went too.
You are correct, but so many people disagree with you -- just watch any of the dozens of dashcam compilation videos you'll find on RUclips. Of course, they're usually not in the video because they managed to avoid striking another car.
Man, I would HATE to be ATC blindly talking to myself through an airplane having an emergency. You'd feel so powerless and lonely. Hats off to those guys.
Great response from ATC, glad they made it back
I landed at a new airport just after a snow squall the whole thing looked like a plain white field Tower told me clear of all traffic because I couldn't see the runway. Telling the pilot that all traffic on the airport grounds is stopped and out of the way is a good thing to know.
Wow, very good ATC, kudos! They figured it out quickly, gave good info if the pilots could hear. Just textbook amazing!
Good job ATC for being able to read the situation.
Absolute fantastic ATC response. Seriously professional all the way around
1:00 "Teton 299, your Mode C readout for altitude is intermittent."
Flew into Billings last week, not a whole lot going on out there. That's probably the most excitement they've had in a long time.
Believe it or not they catch over 200 diversions a year there. Nice long runway, if you're coming over the northern tier it's basically the only thing between KMSP and KGEG.
This should be good.
Had to have been massive utility failure, avionics out and/or ability to lower gear. Operator could have had his hands full big time.
Wowww ATC did an amazing job
Excellent proactive handling of the situation by ATC. Recognized an emergency situation as it was happening and maintained communication in the blind.
Outstanding work and professionalism from ATC. Immediately discerned something was off and the pilots may not be able to communicate their intent. Well done!
Outstanding job ATC !
Fantastic work by ATC, very glad everyone made it ok!
Very curious to hear Blancolerios findings 👀👀
I didn't know about that channel. Thank you so much for the recommendation! Now I have another aviation channel to watch 😎
@@VideoManDan The more, the merrier! Seriously, though, blancolirio is one of the best aviation channels on YT. Juan Browne does an excellent job and he and VAS have a bit of synergy going.
@VideoManDan Well he's the best of the best. If i'm not watching Victor here on this channel, I'm watching Juan.
Juan may be flying today but he monitors this channel, so his report will be forthcoming.
Good job ATC and good job, pilots!
Top class instant responses from ATC well done guys. I hope the pilot is ok.
"Teton 299, parking lot is available to land if you need it."
Excellent analysis, actions and communication by ATC. Sounds like he didn’t turn his gens on and the main battery died.
The engines wouldn’t have failed if his gens were not on?
@@barz1221 I don't know the particulars of this plane, but at least on most single engine pistons the ignition is driven by a magneto, needs no power to run. On engines with a computer (FADEC) usually there are two alternators/generators. The main, and a backup for just the FADEC, so the engine stays running even if the rest of the electrical system malfunctions.
Certified aircraft are interesting that way. They have built in redundancy for just about everything required to keep the engines running and the flight control surfaces moving.
@@barz1221 I have a bit of time flying one of these. The starter generators are used to start the engines, and then the switches have to be changed over to “generator” after engines start. Other than starting the engine, they are not needed to keep the engines running.
Just shows you how fast things can go south. Curious to hear the cause of the emergency and what exactly happened but I’m just happy everyone got on the ground safe.
Probably a failing battery or alternator. The pilots radio call sounded like low voltage
Some of the parts were manufactured by a Boeing 3rd party.
Should get to these later, grate discussions in the comments usually!
That isn't going to buff out. Great job everyone in staying focused on getting the plane back to the airport.
Both good controllers: declaring emerg & passing only relevant information to the crew. Appears all on the King Air were safe too. 👍🏻Probably an ‘I learned about flying from that’ kinda story. Will be interesting to see the findings.
Perfect responce by ATC and tower.
Excellent ATC very quickly noticing something was amiss, declaring emergency, and clearing the runways!
Wow! you're around aviation long enough, you'll know someone. I've flown this plane back around 2008.
You see, you don't need to have even two parties talking to declare and handle an an emergency; yet, it seems 90% of all the emergencies declared involve endless debates about if they are declaring an emergency, which channel to call if they do, and should they have anchovies on their pizza or not when the fire department arrives. 🤔
Good on the pilots and controllers here, did an excellent job.
Awesome flying captain happy to fly with you anytime well done
Glad that it ended okay with no injuries etc... ATC did a good job.
Whoa teared up on this one. I hope all were ok
Fantastic work by the ATCs.
Excellent controller work. They noticed there was an issue. Could tell what the plane was doing. The pilot might have heard or not but it’s the controllers job to help with what they can. They talked to them whether they could be heard or not. Cleared the airspace and gave them runway and wind info to help and got help out there.
Just happy to see they made it back safe.
You could hear the electric failure happening in their radio calls due to their very poor audio quality. I had this happen to me in a c172
ATC SO professional!!
From a little bit of investigation I just did, the Beechcraft 200 series of aircraft (sometimes referred to as B200) is a twin turboprop aircraft, and the landing gear system can be actuated one of two ways normally.
On early production aircraft, the gear was electrically actuated by a 28vdc electric motor directly raising or lowering the landing gear via a mechanical linkage.
Serial number BB-1193 and subsequent production aircraft instead use an electrically pumped hydraulic system, still driven by the same 28vdc electrical circuit as the previously used direct-driven electric retractable gear.
The procedure to extend the landing gear in an emergency differs slightly between these two systems, but both involve pulling the "landing gear relay" circuit breaker and placing the landing gear control handle in the "DN" (down) position before attempting manual gear extension, and both involve a lot of physical exertion by the pilot to operate the emergency gear extension drive lever.
Once the landing gear relay CB is pulled and the landing gear control handle placed in the "DN" (Down) position, the procedure continues as follows, depending on electric or hydraulic gear:
On direct electrical drive landing gear equipped aircraft, the procedure starts by first pulling and turning the emergency landing gear drive engagement handle, which connects the emergency gear drive lever's continuous-action ratchet to a gear in the landing gear extend/retract gearbox for all 3 gear. Once that handle is positioned correctly, the emergency extension drive lever may be pumped to attempt to lower the gear.
On electro-hydraulic gear equipped aircraft, once the correct CB is pulled and the gear position lever is in the "DN" (down) position, simply begin pumping the emergency extension lever immediately.
In both cases, continue pumping the emergency extension handle until all 3 landing gear position indicator lamps show down and locked, at which point the landing can continue normally.
The landing gear control handle itself always contains 2 red lights which will illuminate whenever the gear is in transit, or otherwise not fully in the Up/Locked or Down/Locked positions.
However, the status indicator lamps which are adjacent to the gear position selector lever take 3 different forms:
Aircraft prior to serial BB-453 will have a cluster of 3 lamps indicating the status of each individual gear, in a triangle.
BB-453 and subsequent aircraft will have the indicator lamps housed in a cube, with a lower right and lower left segment for the corresponding main gear, and the upper half of the cube for the nose gear. NOTE: This means that some aircraft with motor+gearbox driven gear will have the same gear status indication lamp arrangement as ALL electro-hydraulic driven gear aircraft have.
Resource used: www.aviaco-va.es/WP/BE20_Technical_Manual.pdf
Given how short the time between the turn-back and the landing was, I feel comfortable making the assumption that this pilot wanted the aircraft on the ground sooner than the emergency manual extension procedure would allow, or there were other factors impacting pilot workload to make that procedure non-viable.
After that cleared any surface clearance a Hotshots style landing dropping in at the base of the tower would have been a win. Nice driving by that dude 😎
Really good job on both ATC and the pilot!
Outstanding job by Air Traffic!
And the pilot for the good landing!!!
We can fix it, my dad's got an awesome set of tools!
Hats off to the controllers
I think the pilot(s) did a pretty awesome job too.
1:02 “Your mode C readout for altitude is Intermittent”
Any crash you can walk away from uninjured is a landing.
But where were the seven minutes of ATC asking for a radio response?
I reckon they was aviating and navigating, but didn't have time for the communicating part. That's cool.
He did the most important thing....aviate.
I'm not like most of you here. I'm not a pilot or an ATC. In fact, I don't even like standing on a chair to change a lightbulb. I don't like heights. I'm actually a commercial diver and I go in the other direction - below sea level. But I am an aviation fan if that makes any sense, and I gotta say, in my opinion, the ATC handled this emergency perfectly. That's the type of person you want handling an emergency, in an aviation setting or in an underwater setting.
You'd be surprised how many pilots and skydivers are afraid of heights. There's something different about being in an aircraft or jumping out of one. It's not nearly as anxiety provoking as standing on a ladder.
I always carried a hand held just for this reason.
I flew the B200 for many years and notice that the flaps for landing are not extended. This is a very strange incident!!
Just wondering, any chance pilots could use other devices (maybe their cellphone radio or whatever) to receive radio transmissions when the aircraft power is out?
Perfect. First fly and fly and fly. If you have time Comm
When you successfully complete the Impossible Turn, landing gear is optional.
Well, that's not the impossible turn there...
From 6000 feet above the airport, it's more like the Very Possible turn.
I think that is the first time i have ever heard the ATC declare an emergency for an aircraft. I'm sure it's happened before, but I don't recall any cases.
Yes, it is pretty common actually. You can check other videos.
Awesome Job by these controllers!
1:26 - - returns to airport + goes off radar
I want to see the faa report on this one, really curious about this one.
omg 3m after posting
Well that looks expensive
The only time i see Billings Airport is on my FAA written tests
I thought for IFR flights you’re meant to fly to the end of your clearance and then follow lost comms rules from there?
Not if your electrical is gone, completely...
Forget to turn the Generators on, battery died??? 🧐
what's Mode C?
one of the transponder capabilities: roughly, mode a = transponder code; mode c = altitude; mode s = global unique id and a lot of other information
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_transponder_interrogation_modes
Climbing through 4.6?!
Yeah I bet panel was starting to go a little wonky so he was a tad distracted and mispoke a bit.
Billings is at 3662'
He was through 4600 for 11'000. Seemed clear enough to me
I wonder if something happened to the pilot and a passenger with basic flying skills but not familiar with the aircraft (and the radio) took over and landed the aircraft.
turn was possible here?
Altitude helps.
And Teton 299, if you can hear this, we have a number for you to call tower for possible pilot deviaton.
Dual gen failure is my guess.
Why do the captions never match the audio??
Describe never
@@VASAviation listen to the audio and watch the captions simultaneously. They never completely match. I haven’t seen 1 exception yet
I’ll probably get hate for this but his radio comms did not sound like that of a professional pilot or normal. Wonder what happened..
I agree with that, slow and slurred
Other people mentioned what happened. Plane lost all power - gear didn't lock in place when lowered manually - collapsed on landing.
He was hammered out of mind. Wife left 2 days ago. Enroute to Cancun. Lotta cheese.
Comms were normal. I'm sure they're glad to know that RUclips armchair pilots are grading their radio comms.
@@sakumisancomms are amateur at best.. besides the slurring, it should be “four thousand, six hundred for one one thousand” instead he said 4.6 for eleven thousand.