GEAR COLLAPSE + PROP STRIKE | Bad Landing at Ann Arbor Muni.
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Thanks to this follower for his detailed report. Glad the occupants of N302FG are OK!
What report?
@@TheMonkeyNeuron If you pause the video somewhere around 7 or 10 seconds you can read it.
@@TheMonkeyNeuronhow ignorant of you
FUCK DUDE is not exactly the standard phraseology for declaring an emergency, but it seems to work just as well...
That's what information Foxtrot stood for
What is happening is the pilot shortage being treated with a pilot mill strategy. The same applies the aviation maintenance. Too many people being pushed through to the finish line as a means to fill the demand. Experience comes with time in training and while flying for job experience requirements. We’re seeing the results of when things are being rushed. The industry isn’t the same. Be safe
@@hyb180 The hour requirements hasn't changed for pilots. It's still 250 hours for a commercial, 750-1500 for ATP depending on where you trained at. I don't know about A&Ps. Flight training quickly is the best way to learn and to stay proficient. The airlines does it, the military does it, flight schools like ATP, ERAU and many many others does it as well.
No callsign after that FUCK DUDE! as well.
probably a stuck mic
What happened Will?! IDK you f$&ked up!! 🤣🤣🤣
Funny but if it was a gear failure...... like the title says.
@@mrsaskriders Email from the video says they flared 80ft above the runway. They were so afraid of pulling a Lufthansa, they pulled a reverse-Lufthansa.
@@chris-hayes The Lufthansa pilot did it Navy style.
@@chris-hayeswhat did the Lufthansa do?
@@michalpatryka3k A couple weeks back at LAX I think, they had a really rough landing, flared too late, it bounced, and they did a go around. This was their 747, The Queen.
It's kinda noteworthy because "Airline Videos", another great youtube channel, caught it live in the middle of their stream.
4:35 I would suggest either diverting or... finding an airfield somewhere else.
Oh, ok. Good to have options. 😂
Field, not airfield. To drop the banner.
@@Kinetic38Field implies airfield. Said he was minimum fuel so he needed to land soon
@@yamkaw346No it doesn't.
@@mehere8299 😂 Yes it does…. If tower tells me “airport is closed due to an emergency, you’ll have to find another field” I will be looking to divert to another AIRfield, not a literal field of grass….
Willow Run is literally like 10 miles away. The two airspaces almost run into each other. Most would divert to KYIP in that situation.
They should change their callsign from FG to FD 😂
Dark lmao
Foxtrot Delta 🤣
That went from a $100 hamburger to a $100,000 hamburger quickly…
Bloody inflation!
🤣
Actually went from $100 hamburger to free prop and possibly new engine, nose gear, insurance will cover it.
@@tkfounder Well, after the deductible, anyway. Which I'm guessing is not an insubstantial amount of money.
@@jonathankleinow2073 most insurance (per all the quote we got for our airplane) have a $0.00 deductible. And we also have 2 student pilot owners apart of our airplane.
I'm pretty sure "Fuck dude!" is street slang for, "The ground is hard".
As a Piper owner an "improperly timed flare" is an under statement to collapse a nose gear... this was really rough whatever happened
I was thinking the same. I've bounced a few times in my W2, but dayumm..
EDIT ADD: In my training, I was known for having more landings than approaches.
Yeah you really got to be trying hard to screw that up
It may be more accurately described as a very low altitude stall. It's the same thing, of course.
Well said…
Foxtrot
Uniform
Charlie
Kilo
Delta
Uniform
Delta
Echo
!!
😂😂😂 Good One
Read it to the tune of Bloodhound Gang. Mission success!
“Tower 2FG:
Warrior 2FG Tower:
“FCK DUDE”…
😂 🤣
His mic was stuck so he could not hear tower
@@conorscully7008 That certainly explains a big fat "FUCK DUDE!" on frequency
Lmaooo bad day at work for that cfi
His reaction is heartbreaking to me. Having been an instructor, we all know things can go sideways quickly. Seen better pilots than me get bit. But all hope isn't lost, many of them are at better airlines than me now too haha. Hang in there, learn, dont quit, stay positive.
It's hard to describe, but I love the interconnected thinking that happens when a number of actors have to make changes that fit with all the other changes. It's like a dance. No honking, just pure communication, cooperation and execution.
I used to rent a seriously ghetto C172M many years ago, I called it the "flying zombie", it flew crooked like a banana, all the paint chipping off. Next week I turn on the TV and a news chopper is hovering over a 172 that a poor student popped the nose gear on landing, and pogo'd off the runway. Upon closer look, it was the same one I had rented a week earlier. I found out they eventually patched it up, slapped on some new paint and it was like brand new, lol.
Those were always the best to fly. My favourite old 172N was bent and slow but nice to fly until another student doing bush strip practice had a bird strike and put it down hard enough to collapse the nose gear and have a prop strike. The school decided to spend some money on giving her some love, new paint etc. It flew awful after but looked great.
We had a 172 at the local flying school, that needed a very heavy left hand on the yoke to cruise straight - and it stalled as if a church was dropped on its left wing.
What a shame!! Flew the 302FG in 2013 with Solo, great school.
Said the plane ended this way.
It’s being repaired. Luckily! It has fantastic avionics now and is my favorite IFR plane I have access to.
Man! I flew 2FG back in 2021 with them. My favorite out of the 2 pipers. Shame
N53703 sounded like a cool guy!
Thanks!
Yup I can just catch a cab back 😂
yeah, when you work enough to have a cool expensive And well deserved hobby. 😂😅
Hello this is Jim from Ryanair recruiting, can someone please put me in contact with the pilot? Thx.
Good post victor. Good to hear all aircraft doing what they can to help tower manage the workload. Good learning for all pilots.
I like the videos you post that don’t hyperfocus on a pilot or controllers mistake. We all make them. Obviously the mistake is required to give us these learning moments, but some videos are posted for the sheer voyeurism they’re sure to attract. Again, good post.
What a surprise to see 3540T on the channel. I did a lot of my training and PPL check ride in it years ago. Glad it wasn't the one damaged here, it was my favorite 172 of the small fleet.
Bill & Ted's excellent adventures
duuuuuuuuuuude . who's that guy playing chess ?
@@sicfrynut chess?
My guess is he didn’t mean to key the mic or maybe had a hot mic due to how hard the landing was. Still funny tho lol
I’ve never heard an FBO/station other than tower or actual ATC on frequency other than just the ramp frequency, sounded so crisp too
Got two ratings in that plane and used fly at Solo. Not surprised this they’re a pretty awful flight school.
I'm glad they're okay.
Just glad all ok. When I first pulled that, I for some reason imagined Spicoli from Ridgemont High at the controls :)
Brings back the memory of being in a gears-up landing at the Hailey, ID airport many years ago. Both the pilot and me were fine, although a bit shaken.
This has delayed my flight training a little bit since the flight school only has 1 other IFR equipped aircraft for flight training. Its going to take them a couple months to repair the aircraft and get it flying again.
Yeah there’s greener pastures elsewhere my friend. You’re not stuck there.
You can fly at any flight school. Don't let this hold you back.
@sakumisan I still need a lot of my PIC cross country hours for the instrument requirement, so I can work on those for the most part. Just going to slow down actual instrument training a little. I need to make some extra cash to help pay for everything anyway, so I'm not too worried.
Why is someone doing IFR training if they cant land an airplane? Asking for a friend. Lol
@@DeltaAlphaAviation The plane is IFR capable. Didn't mean anything about the accident pilot.
There was just an emergency landing at Toronto Pearson, air Canada Rouge. Fire trucks surrounded plane closed runway for a bit happened just before 4pm Saturday May 18. Wake Turbulence aviation caught the landing on his live stream
Thank you for the hot mic. You could feel the disappointment.
Glad you guys are ok. Never like hearing my local field on this page.
that N757MPaaaPAaahh is it the same guy from the other video? PaahPaahhh~~~~
Pah pahhhhh
Just think one of those "dudes" is a CFI. 😂😂
It's insane how in the US CFIs can get a job instructing without real world experience. He was probably a student himself only a few months ago.
@@goodshipkaraboudjanthat's pretty terrifying. Just saying.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan Is flying an airplane not real world experience?
The real problem is the 1,500 Hour Rule. Sitting in the right seat of ASEL watching a student fly doesn't translate to a transport jet. That's the reason for the pilot shortage and "student CFIs."
Ryanair would like to hire this dude
Plane landed off airport near wings field today KLOM north of Philly
Ann Arbor can get pretty hectic with all of the advertising banners being towed around.
Willow Run airport is even on the screen over to the right.
According to the witness statement, they flared 70-80 feet above the runway?!
Do they realize how high 70-80 feet is? If they flared that high it would have pancaked the plane and almost certainly there would have been life threatening injuries. That’s way above the tops of really large fully matured trees.
Can you please explain what it means to flare? I'm not exactly sure what happened
@@ZaidMahomedyRounding out so the longitudinal axis of the plane is parallel to the runway. Usually to bleed off airspeed and to protect the prop and nose wheel
@@ZaidMahomedy It’s just an antiquated word that means a transition.
The transition should occur between the approach glide path, which is typically a 3° angle from the runway surface, to a more horizontal flight path as you get close to the surface. If you flew the same direction towards the ground without ever changing the angle, you’d smash right into the runway. So as you get close, you begin to level out the descent so it’s more gradual as the wheels get close to the surface. The goal is to reduce the amount of energy absorbed by the aircraft to as little as possible when it touches down.
@@ZaidMahomedy Flaring is when the nose of the airplane is pitched up during landing. You're supposed to do it right before you touchdown. If done too high (early), which seems to be the case here, the airplane lands very hard, hence the gear collapse and propellor strike.
@@ZaidMahomedy When you see a typical airliner pull the nose up right before landing so that they land on the big multiple rows of main wheels that are located about half way down the airplane, is what it mean to flare. The nose gear on typical airplanes, airliners and smaller trainer aircraft, are much weaker so pilots does not want the nose to touch down first.
Will is a good friend.
As another comment stated it appears that they flared too early. This could be caused by an illusion of a wider runway. I have had similar occurrences when I moved from a smaller airport about 75 feet in width to a bigger airport with 150 feet in width. And it causes the illusion that you are closer to the runway then you actually are which can lead you flaring way too early.
Edit: I have been informed that the runway was much thinner than I assumed. When I was saying that there was an illusion I was thinking of in my experience going from a 75-ft wide runway to a 100-ft wide runway. Apparently the runway that they crashed on was 75 ft. We will have to wait for an NTSB report if that ever happens to determine anything.
Runway 6-24 is 75 feet wide.
@@einokalonen1313 and it's their home field
Don't worry dude, I'm sure it will buff out.
Deploy the duct tape.
Shouldn’t the CFI (the PIC) be stepping in to assist with the go around if the flare was too early and it’s looking to go south? Maybe help jam that throttle to its stops? Doesn’t seem like letting nature take its course is the best option. 😉
Dang, finally hearing familiar voices from my home field.
Sounded like it hurt a bit
I sent you the same audio weeks ago
"either diverting or finding a field somewhere else" 🤔
I’ve flown this plane, really nice avionics. I also know the instructor. Sad to see. Glad they made it out ok
Glad they made it out but I'm guessing that instructor was only a student at a pilot mill themselves a few months ago.
Rough day but that’s what insurance is for. Reminder for everyone when there’s an emergency going on. Don’t sit up in the pattern and start delegating instructions to everyone else *cough* 40T *cough* let ATC do their job.
I wondered about that, but then I assumed that the person on the radio in 40T was an instructor and 7MP might have been a student solo
@@mrmcdermo there’s definitely the possibility of that. I still think the idea of one guy trying to “help” atc by giving directions is a terrible idea
The message at 2:22 sounded like 7MP might've been on a different frequency than the tower at some point? So then 40T was just relaying a message. But I have no idea why 7MP would be on any other frequency while still in the airspace.
@@RealPigeon "company" freqs are used while monitoring the tower.
Ouch
I'm surprised someone hasn't blamed Boeing yet.
Are you fcking kidding me, DUDE. This is unacceptable, this is not okay, an instructor let this happen? DUDE, you fcked up! Dude, you don’t want this on your record.
So CFI wasn’t doing his job? Got it
The comments on this one are just hillarious.
You ever land so hard your key gets stuck?
I'd probably be pissed and cussing as well, but why was he keying his mic for it?
It was probably stuck.
@@MichaelJM Stuck because he was strangling the yoke.
1:11
Lyrics:
Aaaargh
Fuck dude
Holy shit!
Uuuh, uuuh my good
Oh my god, tower 2FG
Oh my god, oh my god!
Oh my goood Will, what happened???
I dont know, dude!!!
Tower 2FG, fuck duuude..
"I recommend either diverting or finding a field somewhere else" 🤣
I think I’ve seen video from inside the cockpit that shows the instructor saying “Flaps up” on touchdown with the student pilot somehow confusing that for “Gear up” and subsequently commanding gear up which resulted in what you heard here.
On this episode of “Jeff Spicoli Learns to Fly”
Flaring at the right moment is a big deal. Don't know if it can be taught, it's more of an intuition.
@kdub6593
It can absolutely be taught. That's what CFIs *do!*
We must teach the way to avoid that intuition and that's the hard point when practicing landings with students. All runways are different. Slope, width, length... the illusion of being low or high is different and it's crucial to know when and where is the right time to flare depending on other factors such as speed, weight or flap configuration.
@@VASAviation Either you teach your students to land on every runway in the US and abroad or what you state is the exact definition of intuition, one using learned experience and applying it to novel situations. So, if a flare is counter intuitive, all learned experiences should be negated on every approach.
@@kdub6593 I teach the basics to interpret that illusion of upslopes, downslopes, narrow runways, etc... so they don't get fooled by that fake visual illusion ending up in a bad flare judgement
The Runway Expansion Effect by Rod Machado (YT video) helped me.
Took way too long for the pilot/instructor to advise tower.. like, could've been dangerous even more
I wonder if the FCC will join the fray for the profanity... Glad noone was seriously injured.
Not very professional. Glad he’s ok though.
Was this a RG? Perhaps G.U.M.P. has fled him.....
No RG…. Standard piper warrior.
@@matthewremington8693 Dang....
Some radio etiquette would be the next chapter ?
It was a stuck mic. He didn’t know he was transmitting the expletives. Notice when he calls the tower the couple times. Those words were all he thought was going out.
I thought the radio calls after the incident weren't too bad. He effectively communicated to all pilots on frequency that he had an emergency and it did not go the way he had hoped.
I almost docked points for repetitive transmissions but then I remembered that even a MAYDAY call needs to be said three times so I see no reason that the ol "Foxtrot Delta" shouldn't also get repeated.
lol I don’t know why 40T thought he had any authority to tell another aircraft what to do in tower controlled airspace
40T is probably a CFI and 7MP is probably a student or a renter.
@@ellisisgamer doesn’t make a difference, it’s towers airspace, not his
Valeu!
I'm no pilot or ATC, but at some point shouldn't the ATC have said, "Unnecessary radio traffic, shut the f**k up"?
Since you're not a pilot please follow your own advice ;)
@@sakumisan As a commercial diver, I know a little about unnecessary radio traffic, and clogging up the coms with "Oh f**k, oh f**k, oh f**k" is generally frowned upon to say the least.
This also goes for boating and shipping coms and protocol, particularly when the Coast Guard is involved. Be professional and follow the rulebook, jackass.
If that's not your thing then I wouldn't want you in control of any aircraft I'm on, either as a pilot or as an ATC.
@@sakumisanI'm not a pilot either, but I do know enough to know that most airplane radios aren't full duplex so broadcasting that someone has an open mic probably won't do any good.
What I want to know is whether or not the pilot will be fined by the FCC for broadcasting one of the 7 no-no words on the public airwaves.
@@sakumisan I may not be a pilot or ATC but I am a commercial diver and I know enough about coms to know to keep things professional at all times, particularly when all hell is breaking loose. I also know that you are the last person I'd want sitting in either the captain's chair or an ATC chair were I to be onboard a flight you're involved with.
So yeah, Einstein, just because I'm not involved with aviation doesn't mean I'm not familiar with coms protocol.
Extremely unprofessional mike discipline/communication skills.
Like 👍 #217
What a muppet. Hot mic was the cherry on top, especially without making any effort to communicate with tower deliberately but they called their school instead. The US has to pull their act together with flight training, it's a joke at this point.
Whatever happens do not EVER swear on frequency
Pilot was chinese. Say no more.