I was on this flight too - people have asked me if I was "scared", not so much, more "nervous". The loud, persistent banging from the left side of the aircraft was very alarming. Never heard anything like that and hope not to again! Credit to the AA crew all round, they remained calm and professional, throughout, which enabled the rest of the passengers to do so too!
We did not. I believe the pilot said we would come in for a “normal landing”, “not urgent”. I don’t recall the term “emergency landing” being used, it was referred to as a diverted flight. Again, all very calm…
Probably some of the best comms I have ever heard. Clear and conscise with all relevamt info given to ATC. They took the 'stay ahead of your plane' phrase well and truly 👏🏼👏🏼
@@beyondinsanitybr which is exactly how it should be. That's debatable if it's even required information. I'm just glad they used proper phraseology for PAN PAN and MAYDAY. Instead of saying "we have an emergency" or some BS.
@@beyondinsanitybr the souls, and fuel were most likely done when they were talking with Minneapolis center, and it just wasn’t picked up in the recording.
That was about as clear and concise as a MAYDAY decleration could possibly be. I liked the fact that the calls led the tower rather than waiting for the tower to ask a million questions.
Probably one of the best Emergency situation recordings I have ever heared! Everyone was proactive and ahead of the curve. Not picking up on the old ATIS call is pretty much the only mistake. Very well done by all involved.
Very impressive. The pilot stated the nature of the malfunction clearly, as well as well as the level of urgency by using the MayDay call (!!). He also stated clearly his intentions and actions. The air controllers did not ask or said anything other than what was absolutely needed. There was no unnecessary small talk like "do you need us to deploy the emergency vehicles / No , we don't/Well we will deploy them anyway" or anything like that. Very professional work from everybody involved. I wish all ATC communications were like this one, all the time.
Both the pilots and tower discuss having ground equipment stand by at 6:09 in the video. This is not "small talk" but rather a serious matter to be discussed. If the emergency escalated to an engine fire, then ground crews should be there at the runway to perform their duties.
Total professionals involved in every stage of this incident. Pilot declaring PAN at the right time to let others on frequency know something is occuring. Then switching to MAYDAY assuring full cooperation from all involved. This is how it should be done. Great job by the American Airlines pilots. Well done.
That has to be the best mayday call I've ever heard. So often pilots seem uncertain or mumble it out, which I mean, I get as they're in a high stress situation. But this dude was so clear, concise and assertive.
I am surprised that ATC continued to direct other airplanes to 12R after hearing possible engine fluids. Luckily, they realised it later and redirected others to 12L.
Minneapolis is one of the closer major airports to my neck of the woods! Glad the pilots got the support they needed. MSP has always been good to fly into.
Very nice and clear comms from everybody, except my _cross-your-eyes-and-dot-the-tease_ criticism is that ATC should have come back and told Allegiant 756 that information India was current at 3:45.
Pilot says “Standby.” Next transmission is ATC asking if they need to divert or anything. They were already told to standby. And they had to say it again! Again, ATC interrupting checklists and planning. We know that once we declare an emergency, we can get all the assistance that you can offer. We’ll tell you when we need something. I stand my my comments ref the MHT Be 99 crash. Exception: if I’m about to fly out of your airspace or have a terrain issue, by all means, let me know. Otherwise, please leave me alone while I AVIATE.
This is the third time Portland flights have been impacted this year and it's only January. Alaska plug door. Vegas to PDX return to Vegas. And now a Charlotte to Portland divert to MSP.
MAYDAY = SO much better NO longer: "uh tower we have an engine problem" " ok, what would you like to do?" " we need to return to the airport" "ok fly heading xxx, speed & altitude your discretion" " we would like to declare and emergency" "ok"
Maybe to get ground traffic out of his way. They are having to suddenly switch active runways and shuffle everything around and they have to be ready for him to dump oil on whatever taxiway he's on if it happens. It's a busy airport that doesn't shut down for an emergency.
Hope you eventually got to Portland without too much delay. When one engine goes silent, that's never a good feeling for a passenger. Hope you already knew that the plane can fly just fine on one engine!
My guess is trying to plan ahead for exits and taxi paths in case he has to stop or is leaving a trail of fluids behind. But yeah, seemed a bit early. We didn’t hear the proverbial request for souls onboard and fuel so maybe that was lost in the trimmings and the gate request was not as early in the conversation as it appears.
Can someone please clarify the difference between PAN PAN and MAYDAY? Also is it appropriate to nitpick the Allegiant and ATC lack of direct feedback confirming the runway switch by name and the lack of the updated information India?
Here’s a way to remember it, although it’s not an acronym. PAN = Possible Assistance Needed. MAYDAY = emergency. Comes from a French word for “come to my aid”
The crew was the teacher at the head of the classroom and ATC were the student.... "You will sit up straight and listen.... I will teach you everything you need to know" 👍
Here in the 121 airline world when we are cleared to land ATC usually assumes we will vacate the runway before coming to a complete stop. American letting the tower know they intended a full stop landing is just letting them know that they are initially planning on coming to a complete stop on the runway and sit there. If the pilots decide afterwards to taxi off the runway that is their jurisdiction but it helps ATC know and plan accordingly for spacing and other things like releasing the ARFF onto the runway
it's probably cause they didn't know what was up with the oil situation. which could have turned worse. plus one of the passengers says that the engine in question was extremely loud. which also indicates that the situation could have turned worse eventually.
All dual engine transport category in western aviation, are required to land at nearest suitable airport, when on one engine. The possibility of a second engine failure is greater than 0, esp during the first 1/2 hour, as sometimes one engine failure can follow another.
@@gerardpully762 - You're kidding, right? They're mechanical systems with lots of parts. Of course they sometimes break without it being anyone's fault, and being predictable is a rare thing.
I understand PAN PAN in theory. But in practice IMHO, you either have a problem (MAYDAY) or not. We've also seen similar confusion over MINIMUM FUEL calls. You either have a fuel concern or you don't. Why flirt in the middle?
Pan pan means you have a problem you're handling and you want to alert ATC in case it suddenly gets worse. MAYDAY means something's wrong and you need assistance, usually priority over traffic. It literally means Help Me.
Ultimately, the decision is the pilots to make. I was taught that you will never be punished for using Mayday rather than Pan-Pan. But technically, Mayday is for *immediate* risk to the aircraft, Pan-Pan is for when you need support, but you have time. Both take priority over "normal" traffic, but Mayday takes priority over Pan-Pan. The difference makes more sense in a marine setting (where I learnt to use radios) where they use fewer channels, and Mayday calls result in radio silence requirements for all operators except those involved in the emergency.
Nicely handled by the pilots .. clear concise instructions to ATC. ATC also played their part by not interrupting (unlike NY - based controllers ) 😮 Only fault would be the initial pilot claim that they needed to burn fuel as they were overweight to land. That’s not correct, airbus recommend labs ASAP when one engine failed. A LAND ASAP memo is highlighted in red on the upper ECAM display to emphasise that. Being overweight is irrelevant and will most like result in nothing more than engineers doing a more thorough inspection before the aircraft is released back into service.
Also, why is the FO telling tower he will be a full stop? Well no shit, how many airlines plan touch-n-go's? They're all full stops, especially when you're an Emergency aircraft.
@@VASAviation The proper terminology would then be "stop straight ahead on the runway." This was a former military guy who went straight to American Airlines and skipped the regionals. The "full stop" term is definitely US Air Force training. Under pressure or not-normal scenarios, we fall back on our previous training.
If I ever lose an engine in my Citation, I will definitely declare a Mayday no matter if I have another one. I actually do every time I get failures in my recurrent training.
I almost cried when I heard that magnificent first MAYDAY call by the American. Clear and concise. Be in my team, dude!
Bravo, pilots! M'aidez M'aidez etc.
So very clear! Very impressive. Thanks for getting these out so fast, especially today with everyone worried.
Much better than most.
😂😂😂😂
allegiant had old information HOTEL
Glad to hear the pilots asserting what they need to do to handle the emergency, rather than asking. And ATC was ready to support.
They needed to decend immediately due to their altitude. The aircraft could not fly at that altitude with one engine, it would stall.
Spot on... That's exactly how it's done... A perfect training transcript right there
The schoolhouse is doing a great job..
I was on this flight too - people have asked me if I was "scared", not so much, more "nervous". The loud, persistent banging from the left side of the aircraft was very alarming. Never heard anything like that and hope not to again! Credit to the AA crew all round, they remained calm and professional, throughout, which enabled the rest of the passengers to do so too!
Did you brace for landing?
We did not. I believe the pilot said we would come in for a “normal landing”, “not urgent”. I don’t recall the term “emergency landing” being used, it was referred to as a diverted flight. Again, all very calm…
Pilot on the mic must’ve been the safety official for AA he’s that concise and clear!
Probably some of the best comms I have ever heard. Clear and conscise with all relevamt info given to ATC. They took the 'stay ahead of your plane' phrase well and truly 👏🏼👏🏼
This man had this HANDLED! Good to hear.
Actual clear PAN-PAN and MAYDAY calls in North America? I'm staggered!
And no souls on board or fuel remaining in time, pounds, tons, feet or anything else
Yes. The entire US stock was used up.
They’ve clearly been watching this channel and have learned how we feel about it
@@beyondinsanitybr which is exactly how it should be. That's debatable if it's even required information. I'm just glad they used proper phraseology for PAN PAN and MAYDAY. Instead of saying "we have an emergency" or some BS.
@@beyondinsanitybr the souls, and fuel were most likely done when they were talking with Minneapolis center, and it just wasn’t picked up in the recording.
That first pilot's sit.rep was brilliant. He immediately told ATC what he needed to know ahead of time.
That was about as clear and concise as a MAYDAY decleration could possibly be. I liked the fact that the calls led the tower rather than waiting for the tower to ask a million questions.
Probably one of the best Emergency situation recordings I have ever heared! Everyone was proactive and ahead of the curve. Not picking up on the old ATIS call is pretty much the only mistake. Very well done by all involved.
Great work on the pilots, always one step ahead
Very impressive. The pilot stated the nature of the malfunction clearly, as well as well as the level of urgency by using the MayDay call (!!). He also stated clearly his intentions and actions. The air controllers did not ask or said anything other than what was absolutely needed. There was no unnecessary small talk like "do you need us to deploy the emergency vehicles / No , we don't/Well we will deploy them anyway" or anything like that.
Very professional work from everybody involved. I wish all ATC communications were like this one, all the time.
Both the pilots and tower discuss having ground equipment stand by at 6:09 in the video. This is not "small talk" but rather a serious matter to be discussed. If the emergency escalated to an engine fire, then ground crews should be there at the runway to perform their duties.
Total professionals involved in every stage of this incident. Pilot declaring PAN at the right time to let others on frequency know something is occuring. Then switching to MAYDAY assuring full cooperation from all involved. This is how it should be done. Great job by the American Airlines pilots. Well done.
The American pilots did a phenomenal job communicating, staying ahead of the questions and controlling the comms the whole time.
Well one finally went well! The SFO ATC team needs to do some shadowing and training with MSP. Well done!
That has to be the best mayday call I've ever heard. So often pilots seem uncertain or mumble it out, which I mean, I get as they're in a high stress situation. But this dude was so clear, concise and assertive.
ATC and Pilots on game with this one. Nice!
100% professional all around. Well done to everyone on frequency.
This is a what is called a pilot in command
Exactly... There is a reason they don't call it ATC in command 👍
Good situation awareness and crm by the flight crew. Very professional communication by the Atc.
Awesome job, congrats
I am surprised that ATC continued to direct other airplanes to 12R after hearing possible engine fluids. Luckily, they realised it later and redirected others to 12L.
Minneapolis is one of the closer major airports to my neck of the woods! Glad the pilots got the support they needed.
MSP has always been good to fly into.
Very nice and clear comms from everybody, except my _cross-your-eyes-and-dot-the-tease_ criticism is that ATC should have come back and told Allegiant 756 that information India was current at 3:45.
Just fantastic communications. Clear in what they needed and what they planned to do. Superb all around
Handled perfectly on every end of this….the way it should be.
Great job by all those involved
Amazing, exemplary, beautiful comms from that American cockpit. Wow. Amazing.
This situation was handled perfectly by all involved!
Pilot says “Standby.” Next transmission is ATC asking if they need to divert or anything. They were already told to standby. And they had to say it again! Again, ATC interrupting checklists and planning. We know that once we declare an emergency, we can get all the assistance that you can offer. We’ll tell you when we need something. I stand my my comments ref the MHT Be 99 crash. Exception: if I’m about to fly out of your airspace or have a terrain issue, by all means, let me know. Otherwise, please leave me alone while I AVIATE.
All done by the book. Excellent job all around!
Mayday! Nice and clear.
Solid work fellas
I love your videos
Hey, thanks!
Bravo.
Pilot is speaking very clearly.
Was there to witness it
Concise communication all around.
With one engine out would they have used the remaining reverser in an asymmetric configuration? Or brakes only?
Yes, in certain conditions the operating reverser can be used
This is the third time Portland flights have been impacted this year and it's only January. Alaska plug door. Vegas to PDX return to Vegas. And now a Charlotte to Portland divert to MSP.
This was from the US!?.. Outstanding work from all.
Does it seem like everything has been a flight to/from Portland lately. Things really happen in threes. Glad everyone is ok.
The popcorn in the pnw is growing significantly. Where there are people there are people doing things. More flights means more flights doing things.
What, no Airbus jokes? Good job, AA crew.
I think most of this crowd knows pw, rr, or cfm on the wing is the butt of the joke!
“To a full stop” 😂
Aviate, navigate, communicate.
Did I miss something or did ATC not ask SOB and fuel remaining!!!!
MAYDAY = SO much better
NO longer:
"uh tower we have an engine problem"
" ok, what would you like to do?"
" we need to return to the airport"
"ok fly heading xxx, speed & altitude your discretion"
" we would like to declare and emergency"
"ok"
Who was it that told me US pilots done declare mayday?
why are there so many aircraft issues right now
Cause of the internet.
The media: A *BOEING* A321 made an EMERGENCY landing in Minneapolis.
I didn't know the two companies had joint manufacturing deals. Trust the media to get it wrong.
@@davidhandyman7571 Not saying it DID happen, but they've definitely been milking the MAX 9 debacle.
1:45 The plane is at 12500ft, why is the gate number so important at this time ?!?
Maybe to get ground traffic out of his way. They are having to suddenly switch active runways and shuffle everything around and they have to be ready for him to dump oil on whatever taxiway he's on if it happens. It's a busy airport that doesn't shut down for an emergency.
Possibly in order to assign a different runway if needed to minimize taxiing.
It's so dangerous to fly these days, is it normal that so many flights lately are having mechanical issues?
Wait, no fuel or souls on board???
That probably happened on the Approach freq that wasn't recorded.
With the pilot taking command, ATC was not game to ask. Maybe we just did not get to hear it .
There's something about PDX.....
I was on this flight
Hope you eventually got to Portland without too much delay. When one engine goes silent, that's never a good feeling for a passenger. Hope you already knew that the plane can fly just fine on one engine!
@@BillinHungary ...until it fails...
Was it today
Two days ago
I don't understand why ATC ask about the gate? Can't that wait until they're on the ground?
My guess is trying to plan ahead for exits and taxi paths in case he has to stop or is leaving a trail of fluids behind. But yeah, seemed a bit early. We didn’t hear the proverbial request for souls onboard and fuel so maybe that was lost in the trimmings and the gate request was not as early in the conversation as it appears.
also if there is any medical emergencies that are spawned from this they would probably have EMS standing by at the the gate to assist.
How is this better? How?
Can someone please clarify the difference between PAN PAN and MAYDAY? Also is it appropriate to nitpick the Allegiant and ATC lack of direct feedback confirming the runway switch by name and the lack of the updated information India?
Here’s a way to remember it, although it’s not an acronym. PAN = Possible Assistance Needed. MAYDAY = emergency. Comes from a French word for “come to my aid”
The crew was the teacher at the head of the classroom and ATC were the student.... "You will sit up straight and listen.... I will teach you everything you need to know" 👍
Ok lol
He did not just say they will be making a full stop landing 😂.... As opposed to doing a few single engine touch and go's?
Here in the 121 airline world when we are cleared to land ATC usually assumes we will vacate the runway before coming to a complete stop. American letting the tower know they intended a full stop landing is just letting them know that they are initially planning on coming to a complete stop on the runway and sit there. If the pilots decide afterwards to taxi off the runway that is their jurisdiction but it helps ATC know and plan accordingly for spacing and other things like releasing the ARFF onto the runway
As smothly handled in the air and on the ground, hardly an "emergency". Ptocessionalism from get to go!
Why would they need to land ASAP? A321 should be able to fly perfectly well on one engine.
it's probably cause they didn't know what was up with the oil situation. which could have turned worse. plus one of the passengers says that the engine in question was extremely loud. which also indicates that the situation could have turned worse eventually.
All dual engine transport category in western aviation, are required to land at nearest suitable airport, when on one engine. The possibility of a second engine failure is greater than 0, esp during the first 1/2 hour, as sometimes one engine failure can follow another.
So an overweight landing is concern on one engine?
Any case of only having one engine is a concern. Overweight problems are- well another part of the wider concern of having less or asymmetric thrust
who is cutting corners here?
Seems that after Xmas and NY holidays, U S airline fleets weren´t properly inspected after almost running the aircraft to the limits.
Engines fail for lots of reasons. Way too early to break out the torches and pitchforks.
@@GWNorth-db8vn Please name two failures that aren´t preventable. No torches, but truth. Alaska Airlines?
@@gerardpully762 - You're kidding, right? They're mechanical systems with lots of parts. Of course they sometimes break without it being anyone's fault, and being predictable is a rare thing.
I understand PAN PAN in theory. But in practice IMHO, you either have a problem (MAYDAY) or not. We've also seen similar confusion over MINIMUM FUEL calls. You either have a fuel concern or you don't. Why flirt in the middle?
Handled differently by ATC.
Helps prioritize simultaneous emergencies. I suspect they switched to MAYDAY because they needed to descend immediately due to a lack of thrust.
Pan pan means you have a problem you're handling and you want to alert ATC in case it suddenly gets worse. MAYDAY means something's wrong and you need assistance, usually priority over traffic. It literally means Help Me.
Ultimately, the decision is the pilots to make. I was taught that you will never be punished for using Mayday rather than Pan-Pan. But technically, Mayday is for *immediate* risk to the aircraft, Pan-Pan is for when you need support, but you have time. Both take priority over "normal" traffic, but Mayday takes priority over Pan-Pan.
The difference makes more sense in a marine setting (where I learnt to use radios) where they use fewer channels, and Mayday calls result in radio silence requirements for all operators except those involved in the emergency.
FINALLY! About God damn time! Was getting sick of the Boeings being all over the place.....
Has nothing to do with air frame though. Run the engine in your backyard and it can fail same way.
You can tell it was an Airbus as they didn’t mention it was a Max or that Boeing sucks 100X.
Nicely handled by the pilots .. clear concise instructions to ATC.
ATC also played their part by not interrupting (unlike NY - based controllers ) 😮
Only fault would be the initial pilot claim that they needed to burn fuel as they were overweight to land.
That’s not correct, airbus recommend labs ASAP when one engine failed. A LAND ASAP memo is highlighted in red on the upper ECAM display to emphasise that.
Being overweight is irrelevant and will most like result in nothing more than engineers doing a more thorough inspection before the aircraft is released back into service.
Pilot said that later in the recording - checklist says to land ASAP
panne-panne m'aider
Airbus fanboys in shambles
2024 is bad cause so many aviation tradegy
Also, why is the FO telling tower he will be a full stop? Well no shit, how many airlines plan touch-n-go's? They're all full stops, especially when you're an Emergency aircraft.
Maybe referring to the possibility of stopping on the runway
New FO falling back on GA training? If you fly 1500 hours doing it the one way, then something unusual happens here...
@@VASAviation The proper terminology would then be "stop straight ahead on the runway." This was a former military guy who went straight to American Airlines and skipped the regionals. The "full stop" term is definitely US Air Force training. Under pressure or not-normal scenarios, we fall back on our previous training.
Remember when it was standard for planes to have redundant engines, so losing one wasn't an emergency?
If I ever lose an engine in my Citation, I will definitely declare a Mayday no matter if I have another one. I actually do every time I get failures in my recurrent training.
Losing an engine is always an emergency. They obviously had a redundant engine or they wouldn't have been airborne very long.
No, I don't remember a Boeing 747 losing an engine ever not being an emergency for any self-respecting pilot.
...what the heck are you talking about
I believe there was a BAW 747 with only three engines operating that just continued crossing the Atlantic…
I don’t know why pilots dont check oil levels on their plane
On walkarounds
Low oil pressure on a turbine in flight is usually secondary to whatever else went wrong causing the oil to leak out.
Oil quantity is displayed on the flight deck. Pilots don’t open the cowling to check oil levels. That’s for maintenance to do.
They do bud. And this isn't what caused the engine failure.
I thought that this would be a touch and go, lmas