OCG Player Complains About Banlist
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
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Edison next time. Apologies for current format.
0:00 Intro
0:53 Bans
1:23 Limits
6:48 Semi Limits
7:14 Colossus
7:53 Maxx C
#yugioh #ocg #banlist
I'm pleasantly surprised to read all the supportive comments on this video, and in the future, I'll consider making a 'Cultural Differences between the TCG and OCG' video. I'll be collecting topics for the video from the comments of this video. Thank you for all the kind words!
Why not just hit the demon smith engine in October
What i got is japan doesnt treat this game as a job like the tcg does, they treat it as a hobby hence the rarity boosts here in the west
Yeah but that doesn’t explain how the Beatrice hit is fine if they intend to slap FS in October but don’t think Beatrice is banworthy
Is it true that OCG players have Stockholm Syndrome with MAXX C?
One of the reason TCG player expected maxx c to be ban is because of Mulchummy Purulia which kinda replace maxx c
How impactfull is this card in OCG?
I'll tell you right now, I'm subscribing with the hope that you will continue to do OCG discussions. We really don't have any English speaking OCG players on RUclips and I have always wanted to hear that perspective on OCG news. TCG players can speculate but an actual OCG player perspective is really nice to see. So please, do OCG content
Your OCG insights are very interesting from a TCG player's perspective, please do more
You are engaging and eloquent enough to post on whatever you feel like. Also, respectfully, for a small channel with sporadic uploads I don't think there is any need to worry about people who may not want a certain type of content.
Yeah, I have a bad habit of overthinking irrelevant issues. Thank you so much for the compliment! I appreciate the support
No, no. You had it right. Gamble culture is appropriate. Let's call a spade a spade, random packs are gambling.
random packs are "more" gambling if you are specifically opening them for financial return, though, which is what happened in US/western tcg culture post-COVID boom. big thanks to whatever Paul brother it was which did that crap
@@samuelheddle That's not exclusively a western thing, and even before covid, people have been opening packs for financial return since the advent of TCG secondary markets. I was buying singles from my LGS for yugioh all the way back in 2006, and you can't have people that are selling singles without those people cracking packs for profit. Hell, I'm not even that old, I know some people who were into the same kinda thing even EARLIER than that, back in ye olden days of Magic The Gathering.
Logan Paul's main influence during covid was in the pokemon TCG secondary market, where he basically manipulated the market and it caused prices to sky rocket in a way the game still has not recovered from to this day. This, in turn, attracted a ton of bottom of the barrel grifters that singularly care about using TCGs as a glorified stock market - "Investmentbro" and "marketbro" culture.
This ESPECIALLY affected the Japanese market, too, which caused plenty of Japanese sellers and buyers to behave in the same way. There are many videos covering the insane inflation of Japanese Sealed product for PTCG - something that before Logan's stunt during covid were actually CHEAPER than their English counterparts.
All of this to say that it's always been a thing, but Logan's influence made it much much worse, and specifically attracted people that do not give a flying fuck about the community or the game itself into the space. However, people have ALWAYS been opening sealed with the intent of making profit from it - the difference is the people doing it use to actually care about the game, and would give back and provide for the community because they respected it.
Thank you for the section about Maxx C and the cultural differences between TCG and OCG. It was so interesting to watch that I even shared it with my friends!
As a TCG player seeing this kind of inside into OCG is very interesting especially the cultural differences when it comes to card games in general, since the most we usually see is tournament results.
Really glad that an OCG player calls out the TCG Players not knowing about the OCG mindset and playstyle as to why Maxx C isn't banned. Honestly, it could be applied to Master Duel also, even more actually.
the casual perspective is something i never see tcg youtubers mention as thats seemingly something they are not aware of. Thanks for the insight
From my Gimmick Puppet understanding, the only FTK that didn’t use 2 40 was the 1-card with the field spell. Because the field spell is unsearchable, and that combo lost to Imperm and Ogre without a 2nd card, it is a huge hit for the FTK.
Is a good thing, I think they should do a FTK is the Deck but not so consistent
Time to play foolish burial goods with rainbow bridge of salvation
@@AljoschaW1993 IMO there should be NO FTK at all in the game, no one likes Solitaire and Yu-Gi-Oh is minimum a 2 players card game
@@lz9275But let's be real for a moment, almost all decks right now are OTK decks who more often than not already won in their first turn, and at that point the difference between FTK and OTK is only in the name.
This was intriguing as a Western TCG player.
I'm an OCG player and I agreed that we didn't even have the thought of banning maxx C. If anything we want Beatrice banned
Subscribed and Commenting for the algorithm. This was a great video dude. Awesome insight into the OCG. Like other comments have said it's awesome hearing someone who actually plays the OCG's opinion on these things.
Would love to see more of this!
Burning Abyss catching strays from Beatrice being limited
Another TCG player chiming in to say that I would love to continue to hear your thoughts on the modern OCG. The Western RUclips and discussion scene badly needs more actual OCG player perspectives represented, and the conversation about how the TCG culture actually works for y'all was very enlightening.
Finally a banlist breakdown video from someone that actually plays and understands OCG. Came across your channel in comment section of other OCG related videos from other TCG content creator and as an OCG player I really like your insights & explanation a lot 👍 Hope your video gets noticed more so ppl can understand more OCG cultures that they aren't aware of.
This was by far the best explanation on someone’s thoughts regarding hits on the list! Great work man!
This was VERY interesting to listen to as a TCG Yugioh player. Listening to what OCG is dealing with is what will potentially happen later or foreshadowing the meta in the future for TCG. Nice Vid
please keep uploading ur thoughts and explanations are very good
Thank you for this insight!
Thank you for this video, very insightful. I would love to see more content regarding the ocg
The other problem that also results in having more than 1 Colossus legal, besides having two indestructible floodgate monsters, is the fact that Colossus is somehow an extender as well. At least in the TCG, back when Colossus was still at 3, you had a lot of players just either Linking them off or using them as Xyz materials just to summon more negates or floodgates before bringing back a Colossus or summoning a 2nd or 3rd one. It was, in all honestly, outright jarring to see how Konami managed to screw up when designing this card.
Finally an OCG duelist talking about the OCG Banlist and not some TCG content creator trying to milk views 😂
can ya blame them though? Konami TCG doesn't care about it's player base
Settle down. It’s Yugi oh people talk about, stop trying to gatekeep things.
You mean a tcg player who just looks at maxx c and screeches
Agreed. It's more valuable to hear from someone actually competing in that format when it comes to banlist changes.
You are the 2nd person I've listened to today and the first major OCG player to have a reasonable breakdown and thoughts about the banlist. TCG players here are just losing their mind, as they always do for any banlist, because they don't understand how the OCG works. All they see is maxx c at 3 and they go crazy. Thank you for your reaction and explanation.
Even most OCG players hate Maxx C and prefer the formats, like world formats where it's banned. What the crack are you on about.
@@Luna-Starfrost You completely misunderstood. They are saying that most tcg players lose their minds on why Maxx c is legal when they do not know anything about the culture and the consequences of Banning Maxx c without making hits to other problematic cards gradually over time
@@chewdoom8415 Let me guess, "MaXx c kEePs CoMbO dEcKs iN cHeCk"?
Doesn’t really work in a post-master duel world where people know Maxx-c and all of its arguments. If you wanna say they’re wrong, go ahead but they very much understand
@@chewdoom8415 Dunno why RUclips flagged my previous comment, but I guess you also support the argument that Maxx C keeps combo decks "in check"?
Nice video, love hearing explanations like that. Most people dont explain things that well
As a guy who wanted to play paper OCG for so long. This breakdown helps me understand both the banlist decision and the format a bit more. It also made me realize that INFO pretty much ruined an already bad format.
And as you said we mostly played "casual" and/or pet decks because deck is cheap we can pretty much buy what we want to have fun. My current group consist of Melodious, FunnySynchro.dek,and HERO. So yes we are not going for a strong deck anytime soon.
And as the gambling point. Yes, we definitely have an addiction.
I buy packs just for funsy and for the fun of it. Heck My whole Solfachord deck was a result of me buying a bunch of Ancient Guardians box and then supplement then with staple later.
Hero is actually a relatively strong deck and so is melodious but that could be my bias from the tcg since I don’t know what hits melodious has and hero in the tcg have zero cards on the banlist
Subscribed! Would love to see more OCG content from you since I’m planning to stop playing TCG soon and buy AE cards instead
This is the first vid I have seen from you, but the way you present your points is great and I would love to see more videos covering more OCG topics.
Knowledge how well sets sell/are received in the OCG and well as the thought process you brought up on why Maxx C isn't banned are not things that most TCG players are aware of. Seeing more videos shedding light on topics like that would be cool.
This is something that the TCG does, but sometimes when a card is unnecessarily put to 1 as opposed to being banned, its meant to telegraph to the playerbase that the card is just on Konami's radar.
Given that cards like Dragoon are banned in the OCG compared to the TCG, I could see SP getting banned for sure. This just gives people time to offload the card (although with how inexpensive the OCG is compared to the TCG, the practice seems a bit silly).
I personally do not see a world where SP gets banned. Beatrice, maybe, but not SP
Does SP really deserves the ban though? I think its a pretty great card but IP is what pushes it over the edge. So imo IP should get the axe not SP. Also ban Beatrice just on principle lol.
@@sammydray5919 I personally find IP to be the "problem" here too and only will continue to get better because it is something that turns into another card.
SP is either a problem solver or part of an end board so it should not be scaling up further. If you can't link it during your opponent's turn then it also cannot act as a double interaction.
@@sammydray5919IP is only as powerful as her targets.
But sp is independently absurdly powerful and having a recursive removal option
@@GG_Nowa My guy IP is only gonna get more and more absurd because every link 2 and higher monster (unless its VERY restricted in its summon requirements) will always be a potential target.
IP no matter what will ALWAYS find ways to be abused because it has and will always have multiple of targets to choose from.
SP is VERY strong. But without IP it will be FAR more manageable because its not an immediate disruption on summon like it is with IP. Without IP the opponent can't summon it on your turn so you dont have to worry about its first banish effect. That already makes it more bearable because you only have to worry about the second effect. Which is strong dont get me wrong but infinitely more manageable than having to deal with BOTH effects on your turn.
Also as strong as SP is, without IP its not that broken imo. Super strong yes, but manageable and arguably pretty healthy because its a phenomenal tool for going second.
So yeah... IP is the problem card here. Not SP as far as I am concerned.
8:02 Yes. Thank you, finally someone says it out loud
OMG hasta el MaskedHeroVic le llego el video😱😱😱😱
All three modern formats suck right now.
Yup. You see plenty of TCG players complaining about their last banlist update too
yes but we're not doing anything about it other than complain. we'll keep playing the game and buy cards so idk why we even bother complaining
@@mrharvy100 Its practically a conversation starter in any locals you could go to. Itll lead to something more interesting
Great video!
We need more OCG people talking about it. Thank you for speaking up bro.
Really like the ocg content, +1 sub. Super interesting to hear your perspective, esp given how baffling their lists are in comparison to tcg
the beatrice warning limit makes less sense than the SP warning semi last time. SP at least had the excuse that it was a more recent card and you dont want people to feel like they wasted money on that 2nd copy that SOME decks ran but i might be wrong but i dont remember beatrice having a recent print in the OCG. so why even give warning shots on a card that has never been used for anything other than degen shit these days
and limiting snake eyes ash when fiendsmith + beatrice just puts you in the same situation as facing branded in MD where they get to build a board while getting branded fusion.
and like you said tenpai isnt as crazy as people make it out to be. tenpai was imo one of the better decks they made that actually focuses on going second and limiting the field spell just makes it so much more vulnerable cause despite what people think even tenpai isnt THAT consistent on playing thru a board without it.
just some extra info regarding beatrice's reprint, beatrice got reprinted earlier this year in the QCCP set 👍
It’s really nice to see an actual OCG player making a video about the OCG banlist and also showing the TCG players that they know nothing about how the game works here. It’s peak comedy whenever I see TCG players on Twitter say “oh this banlist doesn’t touch Maxx C at all, it’s just bad” and then go “why did they ban Catapult Turtle? is it because of Magical Scientist?”
Ty for vid
As a fellow TCG turned OCG player:
Which region are you in? I'm in Japan and obviously the game can really be different compared to China for example.
In terms of gameplay, at least where I play (Kyoto and Osaka Japan) while Fiendsmith is in a ton of decks, I haven't seen the degenerate stuff you have.Yes, it is annoying see the same cards being played in every deck.
I really like your insight on not banning max c as well as the atmosphere/culture of having a bunch of different card games. You inspired me to consider uploading a video essay
It would be great if you uploaded a video as well. I am not from the same region, so I would like to compare differences
I really appreciate this video, I would love to hear more insights from more OCG players. Even though I am mainly on the TCG side, I always look at what is happening in the OCG and seeing a bunch of the disgusting things happening or cards legal in the format like Maxx "C"
p.s. I do agree that Beatrice should be banned, and it should've happened a while ago.
New suscriber, interesting insight
I love hearing about the OCG please keep making the content.
"If you reprint Maxx C and then banned it not even a month later that will look bad" this reminds me of when around 2017 when in the TCG Konami released the Mega Tins which is a reprint set with pretty much every good card, and those tins in particular had Zoodiac and True Draco reprints which were the best decks at the time, well around 2 weeks passed and Konami pretty much anihilated True Draco and Zoodiac in the banlist, and everyone got pissed, the players and the selllers, because the product became worthless because the only good thing that the tins had was Zoodiac and True Draco.
Also when the Super Heavy Samurai support was release the TCG banned Scarecrow like 3 weeks after the release, but no almost no one got mad about that because the format sucked.
Hi, speaking as someone from the OCG as well, I'd like to throw in a couple of my personal takes and anecdotal experiences (although I haven't played paper OCG as much, though that is relevant to this)
I go to locals with a friend of mine, mostly to hang out, everyone there plays more than one card game (Weiss Schwarz and Vanguard mostly), I was quite new there since I only joined after Master Duel came out, so I was out of the loop on a lot of things, but one of the things I did notice is that part of the reason why you might hear certain OCG players talk about how "no one complains about Maxx C" there (note: please important that an anecdotal story from one OCG player is not reflective of every OCG player's experience) is that if you're *that* sick of Maxx C, odds are you just quit
The sunk cost fallacy in OCG is, I assume, nowhere near as catastrophic as TCG and the constant nightmarish things I hear about pricing, and considering it's very easy to market new card games to you, why wouldn't you just move on to One Piece or Digimon or something if Maxx C is hurting your experience *that* bad? I noticed this as I was talking to some of the One Piece player, and while Maxx C itself isn't the sole reason for their quitting, it can play a role, maybe more than you'd imagine
In some way, that's also kind of like my own experience, I hate Maxx C with a passion, I'm aware of the variety of cultural reasons why it's here, I think this culture is a horrible cyclical problem when decks like Superheavy Samurai are seemingly balanced around Maxx C existing and so we have archetypes designed around Maxx C, more often than not for the worse when you include decks like Adamancipator still legal with Block Dragon, I'm so sick of this that I just opted to play TCG on unofficial simulators as to not get priced gouged on shit like S:P, I do have cards I miss like Zenmaity and Electrumite, but having to contest Maxx C every fucking duel sucks so much that I would unironically rather play the sometimes overkill TCG list because I actually get to play YGO and not Maxx C turbo
Of course (and I have to reiterate this due to how TCG talks about the OCG), we are not a monolith, understand every one of us have very different backgrounds and experiences about this, I'm most likely less tolerant of Maxx C because I started out from MD and my first format is Drytron-Eldlich, my average experience with YGO is getting full comboed by Drytron and then being dropped Maxx C, all the while I couldn't even afford my own Maxx C just from trying to learn the game, and the moment I did shift into paper, it was just to play with friends, I also play an amount of slow decks (Paleo, Plunder, Ninja) that gets hosed on by Maxx C and doesn't even combo as hard if at all, so it's particularly infuriating for me that I would go so far as to just play TCG unofficially
Honestly would love to see more perspective on how's the ocg doing from an actual ocg player. Keep doing what you're doing my man👍
Subscribing since this is how I wish more people spoke about the ocg. I always preferred the culture difference of the ocg from what I heard or read in small bits.
This is a very fascinating perspective, thank you.
I found the video fascinating. I was unaware of the casual culture, though it makes sense given howexpensive it is here, investing £120+ into a playset of triple tactics thrusts is an investment, i expect good returns on investments.
Something to note is that I want maxx c banned as i fear it affects card design in the ocg, and thus when we recieve cards in the tcg, we get a lil overlooked (and our design team isnt as powerful as the ocg design team, so all our influence typically goes out the window)
New subscriber! Love the OCG input. I collect and play TCG, but I enjoy following a lot of the OCG decklists and meta trends
As, OCG player and play snake-eyes, I not happy too, yes I can still play but SE is exist long enough, they should be gone.
At this ban list now make Fiend Smith + Beatrice is very hard carry all 3 fire deck(R-ACE, Fire King both pure and SE, pure SE)
This ban list will perfect if they ban Beatrice and Yubel has some hit.
Oh wow, this was hands down the best video I've seen regarding this subject. Not only do you actually know what you're talking about, the last half about card game culture was wildly interesting.
Would you ever be down for a short interview?
I think it would be difficult to schedule an interview with my timezone and work schedule, but I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have if you message me on discord or just leave them in the comments. Thank you for the compliments!
@@SunnyYGO what is your discord ID?
@@TheAverageGatsby sunnyafterdark
This is a good take as a fellow OCG player although you miss some minor key details (at my point of view)
1. You didn't mention the team format Konami experimenting on us lately.... In those format beatrice and s:p limited makes sense since only 1 player (or 2 if they decided to split) is allowed to run 1 bea 1 sp
2. The puppet ftk still good but not that consistent, since c40 needs a monster that has already a string counter before it procs its burn on summon... Their most go to strat now is to highroll the field spell on the opening combo
3. Other FTKs still exist (Bish, the world) but most of them lose to the roach
4. Speaking of roach... Yep I agree... The pet deck issue also modern archtypes are based on the roach game which this part mostly on Konami's fault
5. Consistency hits are fine (Having flashbacks on my pendulum magician before with tons of limited cards in the main deck and still winning locals till it got powercrept by Adaman format)
P.s. I almost forgot.... Quik fix semi-limited again (the last one is kinda become disaster coz spyral dominates during that certain period of pandemic format aka post VW era where konami semi limit it and spyrals for some weird miracles dominates) hopefully this time spyral copers wont find any new toy to abuse (I still having the hate train coz of the tier 0 spyral before)
Spyral is already cooking in Master Duel where it is now fully unlimited. Spyral Snake-Eyes can end on a V link board with I:P, Apollousa, Tri-gate, Firewall Singularity and Selene with Secret Village lock. + Sleeper.
It's not very popular though, only a few people plays it.
One really good point is the culture of hobby VS competitive that the OCG and TCG have regarding product and their expectations on return for their investment.
The TCG is pretty much allergic to buying sealed product if there's no chance that they at least break even in their pulls, which means that they'd rather go to the secondary market for the certainty. The thing is, someone has to buy boxes to pull the card so that they can sell it to you and they need to make a profit as well, this is the reason the TCG is so expensive.
I think konami knows this and this is the reason they don't adopt the rarity system the OCG has, a set won't sell if people can buy whatever they want for cheap without needing to buy a box.
This video popped up in my recommendeds when it dropped, and I gave it a watch then. As a TCG player mainly, I'd like to hear more about OCG differences. You have great insights for such a small channel, though it's probably due to you actually playing the OCG while mainly all the big names are TCG.
This helped me understand why the OCG hasn't banned Maxx C like everyone outside of it was expecting. Going to see other videos on the OCG and players saying doom and gloom and "WHY NOT BAN MAXX C IF MULTCHUMMY??" while being TCG players seems silly now.
Also, your very low editing and calm, normal voice makes watching you much easier compared to the overedited loud sensory overload slop some of these aforementioned creators release. I appreciate videos like that.
I will also probably watch the Edison stuff to hear how my boy Caius is doing.
Maybe its just my speakers, but the audio on my end is bad. Great video otherwise! I don't really care that much about OCG, but it's interesting to see and learn more. Thanks for that!
Sorry about that. I broke my mic a couple months ago, and that’s kinda when I stopped uploading a lot. I might try and get another one, but I don’t upload enough for it. Appreciate the support as well!
I played Spyral on Master Duel for some time, occasionally I still do. I'm not sure that the 3 Quik Fix is going to be a problem. Spyral is a strong deck uninterrupted. But it's a lot like other combo decks in that it goes crazy only so long as opponent has no hand traps. The summon of Master Plan is often very vulnerable to stuff like D.D. Crow, if you don't have the field spell yet Imperm gets you, it's hard to protect yourself from Nibiru in any realistic sense... I think the main thing three Quik Fix provides you is the ability to try to play Machine Duplication builds like people used to when the deck was first good, which does make your ceiling extremely strong. But that's really the thing - your ceiling is high, but you have to get lucky. It's also definitely one of those Adamancipator style decks that does worse in a Maxx C format because you will just randomly lose games to the card and there's no plan B to mitigate the damage, you have to play into it or you won't end with even a single meaningful interaction. Its in-archetype interaction is okay but outdated, it relies really heavily on stuff like Tri-Gate as the only way to protect itself from Evenly, and so on... I think the deck is okay, but I'm skeptical it will be able to compete in the modern era.
Located in Japan? I play OCG in Hokkaido, lot of similar sentiments and experiences to what you’ve shared
As a tcg player any insight to how the ocg is going is greatly appreciated in my opinion.
Nice video, and insights on the Asian perspective of card games
Darn, I was really hopeful, but I didn’t think about that perspective. I’m also in the OCG, but I guess I pay more attention to the TCG so I never thought of the casual players. I still really like Multchummy and am hopeful that one day we could get replacements for the stupid roach, but even if that does happen I guess it’ll still take a while.
Honestly if you made more ocg content I'd watch every video. It's a very needed perspective
Great Video, was very fun to learn about OCG meta and especially the underlying culture. Just curious, are you living in Japan and do you speak the language? Just wondering because recently there has been some information floating around the internet around OCG store owners not letting foreign people compete in their tournaments.
I felt a bit uncomfortable answering exactly where, but I do not live in Japan, I live in a different Asian country and I am fluent so there’s no issue with language when playing.
Is it true that Japan doesn’t allow you to play unless you are native? There are foreigners commenting in this video saying they play in Japan. My guess would be that if you can speak the language there’s probably no issue, but I am not knowledgeable here. Many Asian yugioh players can use Japanese to communicate because they need to read the new cards. In my experience from traveling, playing in foreign countries hasn’t been an issue because a lot of East Asian players can speak either two major East Asian languages and English, so it’s easy to find a common language.
more ocg content please we have a saturated tcg view on youtube while OCG feels neglected just because of "Maxx-C"
Let it all out, brother.
Nice to hear some actual OCG analysis from an actual OCG player. And not from the tcg "professional" groups that has gaslit themselves into thinking maxx c will be the death of the game.
Ignoring the fact that the roach is over a decade old at this point and the OCG is still going. OCG must be dying the slowest death ever known to man.
A very slow death while still being the second best in top sales after pokemon. TCG seethers can't imagine that.
@@AmanoJack00 And I say all that as a tcg player.
@@b1acksteve sometimes it's really disheartening to see this schism happening just because of konami being greedy, we all want a good game, whether it's TCG or OCG or MD enjoyers.
I do think that the ocg ban list is legit terrible, but you can 100% balance a format around maxx c. They have done clown actions like limiting VFD before banning it, and semi kaiser after a whole format of it just taking games because its ignorant. Card of demise is at 3, fairy tail snow is still legal, so is that grass looks greener. Not to mention a stupid card like block dragon, I don't even think adams or any strategy that would abuse it would be particularly good, that card just makes games incredible toxic and miserable to play. Whole decks end up being built around abusing the plus 3 and the extra bodies it gives you.
@@shawnjavery the game is already beyond toxic by your standards, cards keep powercreep by just having 1 standard format, by not banning block dragon adamancipator enjoyer could still play the deck and top some local with it, cyberse for example still have their circular, do u see them topping any wcq recently when compare to the new broken new cards or engine such like fiendsmith? Decks not strong but it's very much playable in OCG
TCG player always want to kill this kill that and wanted cards ban, they just hate consistency hit without factoring how banned card just completely kill a decks beyond playable
Op broken shit come and go, but with consistency hit u still get to enjoy old broken stuff that get powercrept by new broken stuff, and able to top u some local
Do u compare the diff between OCG and TCG meta now for wcq, the ratio of SE in TCG is so much more absurd, banning their ceiling such like barrone and savage just after cards getting reprint is pretty stupid while not hitting any SE for consistency hit yet TCG cheer for their banlist, and now player abuse that for omega hand rip, how's that good?
After snake eyes dead the next broken stuff will be released, and TCG player would ditch and go for new meta, and the cycles continue
I love hearing your explanation of differences between OCG culture and TCG culture.
Also, you play master duel? And if so, will you play in the 2010 event?
Also also; I’ve heard that Amsa says Japan is less interested in melee (compared to ultimate) because there is a greater appreciation of “new” things. It seems like western culture loves to revisit retro games, whether it’s smash brothers, yugioh, pokemon, or even something like Tetris. Have you noticed a lack of interest in retro yugioh that aligns with Amsa’s observation about Japan?
I’ll probably play in the 2010 MD event, but it’s sadly tier 0 Sam format and not Edison.
As for the comment aMSa made, I’m not sure. I’m not the biggest expert on Japan, and my country is a bit different because it industrialized much later. This means it didn’t really have access to global media as early as other countries so older things are still popular today. My personal trainer for example still replays Pokemon Emerald as his only form of gaming. Retro yugioh is definitely not a thing in my country though, but it’s probably because we just didn’t have many players that were playing back then. Yugioh exploded in popularity recently.
woah this blew up, hopefully there will be more ocg content creators to bridge conversations for both formats
Spyral snake eyes in master duel can 1 card starter U-Link ur board ❤ apo selene/secret village trigate masq n firewall singularity. The U-link combo plays thru nib too.
Good video
Id love to keep hearing more insight from an OCG player
I was gonna make a point about kashtira being able to banish Sp and Beatrice but than I remembered OCG Kashtira is nerfed into oblivion
Hey quick question. How much does a full snake eye fiendsmith deck cost in the OCG to build from scratch
While I absolutely agree with what you said about Japan's "random purchase" culture being stronger, Konami TCG is not properly taking advantage of the existing "random purchase" culture the west has. With rarity bumping and mostly worthless sets, they force players to buy an absurd amount of packs to either pull high-rarity mandatory cards for competitive play, or high-rarity engine pieces for casual decks like Shining Sarcophagus and Blue-Eyes, pricing out a majority of potential players.
Pokemon has it figured out. People all across the world are willing to open packs for the thrill of the hunt, the chance at something special. But TCG players are forced to partake for minimally viable decks. The OCG caters to their casual audience, while the TCG actively pushes them away.
Can you explain how you trigger the effect damage on angel of blue tears please?
Demonsmith fusion can burn when it hits the GY.
Discovered the series in December last year and started with Duel link and Master duel a while later. Don't play much so I don't really understand anything (meta, etc)
Video's interesting though.
fellow ocg player here, pretty much agree with your point, but let me chime in the cope. They just don't want to make that bog of a change FOR NOW. Worlds are coming, fiendsmith is still pretty new, etc. etc. is just some reason they hold their big banlist. They must know what's going on on player side if they put catapult turtle and 'notice' beatrice. For now the biggest issue is beatrice, and while the list literally don't do anything in practice, I just can cope they will do it next banlsit after world. For maxx C as you said, we just accept it for now not to mention the tactical try deck, if they do something about it, interesting. If not, well it is what it is, we've been living like that
Amazing education about maxx c for a westerner. Thank you 🙏
wish we had that petdeck, casual culture in the tcg
People do that, just mostly in other card games. Its pretty much what commander is, which can skew even more casual as well. Yugioh just seems to be a more comp game over here.
I have arguments in discord over these exact topics but people refuse to listen to me because I'm a Western player in MD/TCG, glad to see someone on the other side who agrees and understands.
Hello sunny. As someone who has to keep an eye on the meta (i play casual duels on emulators and a lot of people love to point fingers on anything being a meta deck, so i have to keep a watch) it has made me curious on things that I've always had a inkling on but never knew if i could get confirmation.
So, can i ask if its true or not that ocg players tend to prefer more control style decks over the tcg preferring combo decks
From what I’ve seen at my local, players don’t prefer control decks, they either play what they like or play meta. But one difference in deck building principles is that we usually have a plan for playing longer games since there will be turns we have to do less under Maxx C.
@@elainasjournal5734 hmmm
interesting. i only ask because while i do try to keep track of the ocg, i don't really know any of the mindsets behind it all, i just know the tcg and ocg have different mindsets.
@@DarkSymphony777 well we don’t really have plants link winning multiple events so I guess that’s the difference
Just like how in TCG people have plays around nibiru, in OCG they also have that AND plays if they get roached.
@elainasjournal5734 have a friend who plays plant link. The amount of times people will call the deck meta and quit on my casual server is hilarious and sad. They won, one world champion and everyone will hold it against him. For shame
People were saying that Beatrice was set to 1 for 3v3 format
Going first is so good in modern yugioh because if your solitaire deck can play through there hand traps and your able to set up your board first you pretty much win :P
Also IMO regarding rank 6s as long as the tractus lurrie package exists there's really no reason to run Caesar in a series deck like snake eyes of fiendsmith Yubel (I call it fiendlink)
More current OCG videos please.
At this point I'm just looking forward to Worlds. The OCGs consistency hits and the TCGs slaughter approach colliding has always been an interesting format to witness.
would love for you to be any given TCG streamer's OCG friend because it's so much speculating about the OCG without knowledge
Those arguments about maxx c make sense for OCG, but they have no ground when it comes to Master Duel. The playerbase is not only decently competitive on average, its also mixed with TCG, and even if that wasn't as important, the banlist already did damage to pet decks. We have block dragon already banned to take example from this video. The reason why TCG players (like me) even remotley care about OCG having or not having Maxx C is because of Master Duel, and we are just waiting for any sings of hope. When we debate about OCG banning Maxx C its really just copium inhaling for Master Duel.
I think I didn't communicate myself very clearly during the video. When I say the OCG has far more casual players, I mean if you attend a locals, there will be a very large portion of the players there playing some completely uncompetitive rogue deck, not that they have uncompetitive technical play. For example, I would not consider myself to be a strong player, but I can maintain Master 1 in Master Duel with very little difficulty every season (just by playing games on the metro to work), and I believe the players playing these uncompetitive decks at locals can easily do so as well.
Additionally, I believe Master Duel has a very lax banlist relative to most formats. Block Dragon is a good counter-example, but it is one of the only examples of Master Duel truly ruining a deck. I think Master Duel is doing a relatively good job making sure decks are playable with their main engine, and that's due to their focus on consistency hits. For example, Master Duel is the only format where Kashtira is still a deck with Ariseheart, and Tear is still a deck with Kitkallos. Both are still playable albeit a bit inconsistent. But this is an example where I think Master Duel actually supports that they would prefer not to kill decks if possible and that's partially why Maxx C is still legal.
I also think that the perspective that Master Duel should just ban Maxx C from the perspective of western players is a bit flawed. A lot of eastern players want Maxx C legal, so although I would personally prefer if Maxx C were not legal, I can understand why it is not banned at the current moment.
@@SunnyYGO Thanks for the response, it's very well written and I can get behind your arguments. Spright is another interesting example, where we technically have all the cards legal, even Elf, but because of how mamy semi limits and limits we have it's not very good.
The Maxx C debate is naturally very subjective in nature, and we TCG players are very vocal about it by default because we got the shorter end of the stick when it comes to the bug (by that I mean we were forced with the ocg banlist from day 1). I can imagine it could have been the opposite if Maxx C was banned from the beginning but well, that's just how things are.
One thing I would like to point out tho; the recent Master Duel events/festivals. For the past 4 or so main events, alongside most of the uninteractive floodgates and stunk cards, Konami has actually completely banned Maxx C (not counting WCQ of course). I think this is quite peculiar, because it seems that they fully understand and agree that Maxx C is a very unhealthy and toxic card, and yet they keep it in the main game. I'm not sure what to make up from that.
Have a good day and thanks for the response again
ocg player here, good to see some competitive ocg on youtube. It is so hard to find good competitive ocg contents here. Whenever I search for yugioh, either I would see some pack openings/fan decks duel/skits etc.
Quik fix is fine, master plan is the scarier main deck spyral card imo. If that card comes back in multiples, then maybe spyral would be scary. With stuff like gimmick puppet ftk tho, I don't think it's that bad atm
Genuine question. Has there ever been a time in the last few years, yes years,, where max c was ok to ban? Cause i keep hearing the argument that there's too many problem decks that maxx c checks but the goalpost keeps getting pushed. Maxx c was for swordsoul, virtual world, branded, tear, kash, and now snake eyes. Those decks are good regardless and if you replace Mac c with 3 other hand traps, they'll still keep ftk decks in check. So what would it really take to ban it? Cause as a pet deck enjoyer i HATE going 2nd into a meta deck draw phase Maxx c me.
To be clear first of all, I am not a Maxx C defender. But I did want to say a thought here. I don't think Maxx C actually was to keep stuff like Tear and Kash in check - part of the reason Tear and Kash were strong is that they only really needed a few summons to produce a playable board if they got Maxx C'd. The decks that Maxx C is really seen to "keep in check" are the over the top pure combo decks like Superheavy and Adamancipator, which is part of the justification for why Adamancipator is allowed Block Dragon over there. So I think the argument is often that they allow certain ridiculously over the top summon a billion times decks because the existence of Maxx C at 3 in every deck gives them a significant consistency hit, which makes it so they're only decent instead of what's actually the top tier deck. Personally I don't like this; it feels like the variance is more frustrating than anything, but...
Let me make this clear first: YGO is a game where you can actually do any absurd combo as long as you build a deck with that in mind. I’ve been hit with these combo-pile, all gas no brake decks in both OCG and MD, and those are extremely unfun to play against. And when we say “Maxx C keeps combo decks in check, we means those kinds of decks, and it actually has been successful at that. We don’t see stuffs like Horus Adventure PK pile topping in the OCG or in MD, that is proof.
The thing about Maxx C is, while it may not actually stop those degenerate combo decks that often (due to not open it on t1, or opp has Ash/Called By anyways, etc.), the fact that it exists already made people reconsider what deck they want to bring to an event. And in OCG/MD, it’s actually a good idea to bring a lower power deck that simply is good against Maxx C, because you won’t just lose to a random Maxx C resolving against you.
I agree with the two comments left above. I don't think Maxx C was necessary for any of the decks you listed. The real decks I think Maxx C stops that are good are the maximum extender combo decks where hand traps aside from the lingering floodgates cannot stop them because they retain bodies after hand traps which they can convert to more extenders. Take 60 card grass lists for example. The ones they thought of are also some good ones.
@@elainasjournal5734 all engine gas decks dont need something like maxx c to keep them in check all they need is the truely degenerate combo enablers (block dragon, chaos ruler etc.) to be banned theres a reason they rarely perform in tcg too cause they run almost no non engine and cant go 2nd while something like snake can end on almost equally strong boards and play handtraps and fit all the outs to maxx c which is why dominates all 3 formats. What maxx c really does is hurt midrange decks like salad or marincess while making the all engine combo decks more frustrating since they get to keep the really broken stuff like block dragon and shs engine just making them infinitely worse to play against unless you resolve maxx c. It doesnt even lead to less stuff needing to be hit just different cards like branded and lab being hit in the OCG simply because they play under maxx c well where as they are completely fine at full power in the tcg or how hard they had to hit floo in master duel just cause of maxx c. maxx c really pushes low engine decks to the forefront which sucks cause those are usually the least interesting I would much rather see big engine combo be popular rather than 20 handtrap/boardbreaker tenpai or shit like stun but those decks get boosted by maxx c.
@@elainasjournal5734 also to add you bring up horus adventure pk not doing anything in ocg as if the infinitely more annoying shs earth block dragon pile didnt do well in the ocg like that deck is so much worse than anything pk can do lmao. maxx c just makes it so if you are gonna play a balls to wall combo deck it has to be truely insane to be worth playing even with the risk of maxx c which is why that kinda combo deck does well.
Also also snake eye oak being able to interact with banished fires is one of the most frustrating design choices recently
More OCG Content pls, is like Master duel with MaxC so you have knowledge which Decks will be good and so on
I dont think any of us were actually expecting Maxx c to be banned here (although admittedly this banlist did have the highest chance in a long time of that Happening) but even disregarding that entirely this banlist is just horrible for many many other reasons
finallly someone with knowledge about ocg is talking about ocg (in a language we understand)
The presence of Maxx C is what's preventing Spyral from booming in popularity on platforms like Master Duel. If Maxx C got banned then there would have to be serious consideration to banning Spyral Masterplan as the deck is still fully capable of setting up ftks and handloops.
really good video
but I am confused why people act like he has a completly different view on this list than tcg players.
Most of the things he said is also the generally accepted opinion of the tcg.
There are some yugioh players/content creators that said something different, but mostly it seems to be the same things said in this video.
Most TCG content creators are just like “Oh this list doesn’t ban Maxx C? It’s bad then”
To be honest, I'm a little bit confused the video had such a positive reception as well. I didn't think I said anything too abnormal
Correct.
Yea more of these videos like this would be great
As a tcg player I really enjoyed this video
With Tenpai, I will say that it is the worst fucking feeling in the world when you out Summoning and then they can just... Slap down another one and turn the game into Solitaire again. If it had a hard once per turn on it's activation like the Vaalmonica field spell, that wouldn't be an issue.
I feel you on the packs thing, though. Every time I go to a prerelease I'm always the only one there who isn't trying to make a profit off of my box.
The flood gate bans are the only things that will matter long term. The little knight restriction seems to be a bad attempt to prevent ip+knight+apolusa and hand traps being a good back up in the future. I genuinely dislike ban lists that don't live in the here and now which this feels like to me.
Spright is nowhere near close to full power in the TCG as a huge portion of that power is in Elf, which is the only hit with it being banned.
Same with OCG. Card is banned there too rightfully. Only MD has the card still legal.
The main difference I think is they didn't ban ronin but banned toadally instead. But yeah if you have elf banned and either ronin or toadally banned the rest of the cards can easily all come back to 3
@@mrharvy100 Thought that it was legal, oh well.
@@slubberdegullion2747That was my fault. I misspoke. Spright is not full power in the TCG, but it comparatively feels that way because the OCG doesn’t have Elf or Toad and has Blue, Jet and Starter at 1. It’s borderline unplayable, but when I ask what my locals thinks about the deck, they don’t think Blue can come back to 3.