Can a Magic Player Tell How Good Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards Are? | Staple or Stinker
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- We invited famous MTG Mythic Champion Thoralf to come give his best guess as to whether these Yu-Gi-Oh! cards are staples or stinkers!
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Change of Heart is seeing more play in side decks lately, so we'll give Thoralf a bonus point for his foresight! Check out an example deck list here: - bit.ly/4b1pGUB
people used to hate it but... they had a change of heart
Thoralf said Phoenix is the same as Change of Heart so if he gets a point for it he should for Phoenix as well.
Change of heart has always been good and still is. You're being foolish for ignoring decades of usage in favor of recent trends.
Staple Stinker is kind silly all these cards are good or have seen play it would be better to ask MTG players to talk to Yu-Gi-Oh! players just to take about the game the current meta and talk about why they like it or don't about the game and what the similarities and differences between the games. This format of video not only doesn't make sense but also misses the point of tech cards and edge cases where it's correct to play them but that kind of nuance is impossible when you produce this kind of drivel content get better please huge platform disappointed.
You should do all synchro and xyz monsters next time, but only ones that are good in their specific archetype. Really throw Thoralf for a loop
Change of Heart - "Stinker! It was a staple card for a very long time and even banned, but not anymore."
Knightmare Phoenix - "Staple! It was a staple card for a very long time, just not anymore."
My thoughts exactly
I honestly wouldnt have known what to call em in this series … They both seem very much in between, as phoenix is seeing much less play since sp and change of heart is niche side deck
Funny thing is that Change of ❤️ has been re-entering side decks recently as part of a Thrust package for going 2nd, and Phoenix is regaining relevance as a fire fiend that you can make when you're fiend locked by Sharvara and fire locked by Promethean Princess, plus it can be co-linked with an Apollousa to protect it from battle
Yet change of heart is still topping
change of heart is played more then phoenix i know i know pop the s/t but would i why go into phoenix when i can go into asscode not have any trap used on me and blow up the whole backrow
??? change of heart is seeing play RIGHT NOW
@zefile mainly in side decks but it's an option
Given that the channel has been out of commission for 8 months, they most likely had to film and edit a bunch of videos to create a buffer for themselves, so when they filmed this video it probably wasn't seeing any play. (Remember that with the recent Baronne and Borreload bans that spell and trap based board breakers are much better than they were a few months ago.)
That's a common complaint for both this and the MtG staple or stinker. It always feels like there should be a third category of "playable but not broken". So staple means every deck that can run it does, stinker no deck runs it, and "just ok" is it's used in some competitive decks, but not a big part in them.
idgaf, taking control of an enemy monster for extra deck material is GOOD 👍
@@HyouVizer that's if the opponent allows it to go through and alot of monsters can't be targeted now A days
Example ex purrley noir
Change of heart is actually played in a lot of side decks currently to take the apolusa of a SE Board
calling "bad a limited to 1 card that has tops in recent major events is crazy
Category error is the issue they want to bucket cards into good or bad it's not that simple side deck main deck not playable is probably but it's just awkward for them
Yeah Change of Heart was a weird card to start off with. It is an objectively good card but calling it a staple feels wrong.
@@wyomingptt Sure but its hard to see it as a stinker either, it was great when it came out, got banned. now off hte banlist finally and seeing regular play even if not in every deck or main deck
Same with phoenix it was a good link 2 but rarely see play anymore unless the deck has space and needs something to remove backrow.
Because i don't think phoenix should get a staple tag in the current day.
@@waiyon1951snake eye plays Knightmare Phoenix. I don't know if its the standard, but it's utility and allows you to OTK on an open board with the zealantis.
Holy heck, the channel isn't dead? Welcome back!
Excited to be back! Thanks for watching! -Taylor
THE CARDMARKET YUGIOH CHANNEL IS BACK!
I wish the best for the old cast, and hope theyre doing well. I'm hyped to see what's the new peeps are gonna cook
What did happen to the old cast? Just curious as I'm also glad to see this channel back.
@@thesonicslasher75 they left for reasons we do not know.
@@friskydrinklunkybank1108 oof. Alright then. Well like you said I wish them the best and am glad that this channel is back.
A couple months ago they indicated that Leoni would be returning with the YGO channel! I hope that's still true
Stay tuned! You may see some familiar faces in the future :) -Taylor
One issue I've seen on this show (and other similar segments) is ambiguity on what situation we're evaluating the cards in.
For Yugioh, I suggest clarifying the time period: is a Staple™️ considered a card that's a staple currently, a staple at some point in the past, or a staple over many different formats throughout the game's history?
Still, I love the format and am super happy about the recent revitalization of the Yugioh channel!
I agree with the sentiment here, it should be clearer what context the evaluation is in. Would like to say that they probably use the word "staple" to just mean "significantly higher than average card value" and/or "meta-relevant." Or maybe just "good." They're using the word because it has alliteration with "stinker" that makes for a catchy name, even if it's a bit of a misnomer.
Nah come on now I wouldn't call change of heart a stinker, it sees some play in side decks as a board breaker. I wouldn't call it a staple either but still
Bro, if it's not main decked everywhere and a lot of people just dont play it at all cause it isnt great anymore, it's a stinker
Yet it still tops
0:44 WTH are you talking about?! He used it ONE time, and it was used by two VILLAINS before that!
The host was probably thinking of Brain Control. He used that one a lot.
I haven't watched all of DM but even I was like "but isn't that Bakura's favorite card?" lol
Probably just minor confusion since Change of Heart was in the Yugi Structure.
This was an excellent episode, having a nice means to translate game mechanics between the two big card games. More Yu-Gi-Oh! staples or stinkers would be great to see!
Don't play any of these card games, but I enjoy x card gamer rates y cards videos and i dont even know why.
Happy y’all are back, even though I’ve not played since PSV, I’ll happily watch what y’all put out!
I'm glad this is back! Hope to see more of what you've got cooking!
the logic that traps are slow and thus practically never used is such a trap itself, its precisely because traps is hardly used that when someone does set a spell/trap facedown its noteworthy because it means theyre either bluffing or its just that powerful of a card they risk using it
to be fair this really only counts for generic non archetypal traps that has to be set to be used. good archetypal traps that can be search still definitely see play depending on decks
Traps are heavily used, they're just rarely main-decked because the game is much faster. You only really main deck a trap card if it's in-archetype and searchable (so you only need 1 copy so you're less likely to draw it if you go 2nd game 1), or it has applications going 1st and 2nd (Imperm, Black Goat, Transaction Rollback, basically any trap that can be used from the hand/the turn it's set/has a GY effect). 90% of side decks have trap cards in them for going first.
The only reason is that because the game is rng, it is harder to get into the control/grind state of the game for decks with trap cards. Unlike combo decks, there aren't many tools to reach ideal setups so there is no reason anymore for the old 20/10/10. That's why Lab is one of the strongest trap decks, it has an engine that facilitates reaching that state and the liberty to do some combo plays. Independently of Lab, trap cards are strong, just not reliable. In fact, one of the best ways to force through SE going 2nd is to set 5. Traps became bad when the meta is to sit on 3+ omninegates and board wipe. While I hate the current business model, I have to say we don't see too much of that nowadays.
cardmarket yugioh is back. i am happy. welcome back! we've been patiently waiting for more cardmarket yugioh content!
I like this new guy! He is very good at explaining stuff, and he seems like he has great potential as a presenter on the channel :D
(Don't know if you're the one who runs the channel, but if so, hi!)
Yay, another Caardmarket Yu-Gi-Oh video. It's been 8 months, so it's so good to see a new one.
Yugi/Yami only used Change of Heart once, during his duel against Kaiba during their Battle City Semi-Final duel, in fact Change of Heart was only used 3 times, Bakura used it during his duel with Yami and Noah used it during his duel with Yami and of course the previously aforementioned Battle City Semi-Final duel.
It was one of the Bakura's favourite card
@@GaybrohamStinkton I remember
Yugi used brain control which, in the show, was basically just change of heart with a different name. Not sure why they made him use change on heart in that duel.
@@flockinify I don't either.
@@flockinifyit was to change kaibas heart. Symbolic of how his character changed from that point onwards. He wasn't an antagonist at all from that point forwards
So glad this channel is back updating!
I highly contest the change of heart segment.
Change of heart is a FANTASTIC card. There's a reason it's stayed limited after it was unbanned. It's seen a moderate amount of competitive success since the day it was released from the ban list.
I wouldn't call it a "staple" by any means, but it's a very good card, even by todays standards.
Some issues with waking the dragon would be that it doesn't go off half the time in a game where card advantage is extremely important, it's dead going second, it's not enough to win the game on its own, and it can be negated if your opponent made a negate first or has ash blossom.
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Nice to see the channel is back.
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Man, seeing Coelacanth in this episode brought me back. During the tail end of the 5Ds era, I made this Fish Synchro deck that used Big Wave Small Wave to get Coelacanth out, utilizing Fishborg Blaster and other fish cards as well as Deep Sea Diva and flanking Coelacanth with Shooting Star Dragon and Red Nova Dragon.
Would have likely never gotten far in a YCS, but it won me a locals on 3rd round with time called before the round started. Was definitely one of my happiest Yugioh memories to go second, then just do my Coelacanth combo, reveal 3 tuners off Shooting Star, and OTK.
But I definitely understand that it would never ever work in today's Yugioh.
Welcome back! I’ll miss Adam but I’m sure this new host will be great!
It was very refreshing to see this series return, and congrats on hiring the new host. I hope they enjoy their time on this channel.
i love these videos please do them more often
Welcome back. We’ve missed you
I'm always happy to see another one of these. As a Magic player, though a very amateurish one, I got them all right, though that was mostly just because I'd watched the previous videos.
Hey you guys are back..!!!
But but, where is adam?
He's gone, unfortunately. But in his place we got Taylor! :D
13:15 interesting that Thoralf read it as "in the graveyard or banishment" when this card hasn't been errata'd to use this new terminology.
Ummm…. The card says it right there and when you look up the card it says that exact description.
@@PhenomenalVibez The card definitely does not say Banishment nor is this card ever errata'd to have that text.
He’s not a native English speaker, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a German version of the card where that translation makes the most sense, compared to ‘is banished’.
Change of Heart doesn't see play because it's a card that's best going second and modern decks mostly focus on going first.
Fishborg Harpooner makes Coelacanth a bit easier to summon but it's still not the easiest to search which is why the deck doesn't see much play.
Change of Heart doesn't see play because...
actually that's total nonsense, Change of Heart is played. It's not something you put into every deck but it's still a great sidedeck card that sees plenty of play competitively.
It's seeing competitive success right now...
Change of Heart sees side deck play because it's a good card to have when you know you're going second and there's decks in the meta it's good against. Wouldn't call it a staple and anyone maining it is coping hard because it's not good blinding second, but it does see play.
i like this fella. welcome back cardmarker
I run Waking the Dragon often. Because no one runs it, no one expects it, so it works surprisingly often. Then in game 2 and 3, the threat of having a Waking the Dragon tends to ward off backrow removal, so you can take the Waking the Dragons out and not have to worry about your opponent destroying your other traps.
i like how chill the new host is
Adam left big shoes to fill, but you did good :)
oh he left the channel? why?
Glad youre back
You guys are back!!
I think this channel does this format of video "X card game player tries to tell if X card from different card game is good or bad" videos the best. No super tricky cards with yes but no type answers and solid explanations on why they're good or bad from the knowledgeable player.
Yeah, instead of tricky cards, they just get their own assessments wrong. The very first card, change of heart, is still very good, but mostly as a side deck card. If the criteria for card to be considered "good" it must be played in the majority of main decks, that limits your options to something like only 30 cards being actually "good"
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is phonix still stable after SP little release?
I dont know about TCG, but I rarly see in MD
I don’t even watch magic but man I love this guy. He’s so awesome.
Hell ya!! It’s time for another vid of non-yugioh players guesstimating the power lvs of yugioh cards!!! I love when a new 1 is posted! Time to watch it now lol.
Edit: u know u like these kinds of vids when theres multiple channels that do them and u get them mixed up til u start watching. I read the title and b4 even finishing I got excited and clicked. Lol. I didn’t even realize this was the cardmarket channel til this 0:28 far into the vid. Lol
this is the only yugioh channel i watch. i missed this place.
THE CHANNEL IS BACK BABYYYYYY.
change of heart is more of a staple than a stinker for sure, its a thrust target and if your sidedeck plan is board breaking its often times included. it might not be the correct meta call right now, or be played in every deck but its most definitely a staple.
coelcanth is also weird, its a stinker sure, but the card isnt bad as it reads similarly to snake-eyes flamberge dragon, you just dont have the supporting cast for that card to make the deck it goes in good. its similar to snake rain or ancient leaf, these cards could be bonkers insane if the right payoff is there
The way I see waking the dragon working best is as a sideboard card in a best of three where you are playing an archetype that already uses a couple traps. In game 2 your opponent might decide to go for gold and blow up your trap since you used one in game one, and then you get this effect, and then in game three they have to be more hesitant with whether or not they blow up the trap, especially if you have one of each on the field.
Love the video !
My favorite type of video ❤️
Leoni and adam coming round? Glad you guys came into resurrect the channnel
Holy carp you guys are back???? That's so awesome what happened ? I hope all is well with everyone
Holy shit they are back! Hope they are here to stay this time...
Superacient Deepsea King Coelacanth can be good in fish deck, if you build way to special summon it from hand, deck, grave, or banish, in that fish deck.
In these days, most players special summon monsters, that are level 5 or higher, one way or other.
change of heart is a great side deck card right now to take apollousa. some decks like tenpai even main it. the reason why its not in most main decks is that is a going second card only so if you draw it game 1 going first, you handlooped yourself for one.
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I'm not keeping up with the competitive side of YGO, so CoH could be seeing no play currently. either way this was a really enjoyable video. glad the channel is still going.
Welcome back!!!!!!!
Finally you're back
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I think Change of Heart probably errs closer to staple than stinker, but I see the vision. I think the thing to note most about Change of Heart is that it does nothing if you go first, which pretty much automatically relegates it to "side-deck card", and then it's competing with other dedicated go-second cards like Evenly Matched.
Obviously, also worth mentioning Talents being "better CoH" (once it's online), by virtue of both being non-targeting, and being able to do stuff turn 1.
I *love* Staple or Stinker! Still waiting for the day you do one with Flesh and Blood!
I think another good way to describe the Extra Deck would be Companions on release (pre nerf)
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They have returned!
Please do more of these vids...
BABE, WAKE UP NEW CARDMARKET-YUGIOH UPLOAD!
What happened to the old hosts?
We got some Gandalf/Frodo energy going on here
Welcome back, Cardmarket YGO!!!!
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Block dragon came out in 2017
And it was only played in a deck that didnt top any events in adamancipators(as the world shut down) but they murdered the deck with the block drsgon hit
yeah i feel like they should change the staple name tag, since staple means the card is so good it see play in anything, Block dragon is a banned card but it's so far removed as being a staple card since it only works with rock monsters.
Change of Heart maybe not a staple, but it's definetly not a stinker.
It's still a good going second card, you either get a free something or forces an opponent interaction.
3/5 is pretty good for a Magic player. that is a passing grade so well done Thoralf. I totally understand him getting Phoenix and Coelacanth wrong, those were tricky cards to evaluate. The change of heart tho i would definitely give to him cause it doesn't seem fair calling a card bad just because there are better versions of it, especially for a card that was banned for the longest time. Like you wouldn't call Knightmare Phoenix a bad card cause S:P little knight exists, you know.
The Return of the King
Interesting to hear that yu-gi-oh! Also has a hexproof/ward problem to some extent.
God i love this series
bro has not seen the shenanigans that lukevonkarma subs pull off with superancient deep sea
I don't know, I feel like these cards weren't the right choices:
-Change of Heart is defenetely not a stinker, but many people already told that.
-Knightmare phoenix wasn't played in the last years, mostly after the release of Little Knight. It's played in Snake-Eye right now only for one of the otk lines with Zealantis.
-Block Dragon and Coelacanth are cards that to be evaluated requires you to know the pool of rock and fish monsters. Like you said Block Dragon wasn't even played in the beginning.
Doesn’t Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth see a splash in many fish decks that can cheat it into play like Ghoti?
I feel like there should be 3 categories: staple, stinker, or side. Change of Heart definitely sees side deck action if you're going 2nd.
Where have you been?
people talking about change of heart but can we talk about how this man is a synchro fish denier
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Change of heart, mind control played good amount since Omi negates are gone.
More please!
change of heart is absolutely a staple, it's just better in board breaker formats, and not as good in handtrap formats
There's some handtraps that come and go but they're absolutely a staple
Were u been guys .. 😢
I'd like to start by saying 2 things. First, I love your channel and your team. You all do fantastic work! Second, I'm woefully American and have never met a Thoralf before. My question is this. Ive heard you called Thoralf and Toffle. Is it like Michael and Mike where one is just a nickname for another?
Thought I unsubscribed because I thought the channel was dead. Glad I apparently forgot to. Welcome back!
Why would you unsub dead channel though? It is not like you'd get notifications from there anyway.
@@Datuna-vw3un Yeah, I just go through and clean up my subs sometimes. It doesn't really matter, but I just do.
Show him raidrapter ultimate falcon beside the waking the dragon. It’s the biggest pain in the arse to remove coz it’s giant and uneffected by other cards
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