Dodge Will Cave Unless They Do These 3 CRITICAL THINGS!
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2024
- I give you my thoughts on what Stellantis needs to do to help Dodge succeed in the future. There are 3 critical things that Dodge, Jeep, Chrysler, RAM must do in order to regain the trust and the business of their brand loyal enthusiasts that have sworn them off. I tell you why these things are so important to Dodge staying relevant in the years to come.
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No wonder there's such theft in America and Canada. So much car theft in Canada it makes me scared to buy a car now . Also sky rocketing food prices people are walking out of Big Box supermarket chains that have self checkout without paying
I don't really think Stellantis really cares about the Mopar brand. Otherwise they wouldn't have killed the hemi and the Challenger. Why would they kill off a top selling car? That would be like Ford killing the Mustang. They should see the writing on the wall. EV's aren't selling. Americans want cheap gas and fast cars.
What would you have them do? Do you know how much they were paying Tesla every year? Imagine trying to win a race where your competitor starts 1/4 mile ahead of you.
They care because the Hemis were selling like hotcakes and were the only thing dodge was making. Until they were forced to discontinue it and the Hemi Brotherhood clutch on their pearls crying that Dodge is doomed because Stellantis doesn't care. No becuase Dodge refused to "sell out" as the crybabies say. Before Daimler bought Chrysler pre-2000, the last version of the Charger L-Body from 1981-87 had a 1.6 L Peugeot or a 1.7 L VW sourced I4, or a 2.2L I4 Turbo. Post merger, you got the current chassis Chargers thanks to Mercedes. The Viper was thanks to Shelby giving Ford the finger, Iacocca and Dodge owning enough of Lamborghini to derive the V10 that became the 8.0L Viper plant.
As for the EVs well, its the scam everyone has fallen for and the brands have to do to not get fined for having their fleet above that targeted overall number set by the EPA. 36-40mpg and 40% EV by I believe 2028?
Of course they care, this is more of a govt issue than a Stellantist issue and out of the big 3 they’re the first to comply…JMO
@@cblue3581 I don't give two shits about your Tesla. Outside of weight reduction, you aren't going to go much faster than stock. I'm tired of you and your globalist overlords forcefeeding EV's to people. People like you make me take joy in "hurting the climate"
When your tesla wins: "Me Me have real wace car!"
When your tesla loses: "bUt ItZ JuSt A FaMiLy CaR!"
Also, Electricity is made by burning coal. You aren't doing shit for the environment.
Hate to keep repeating myself.
Peugeot, Vauxhall, Citroën.
The list goes on.
4 door, 4 cylinder disposable shitboxes.
I'm sure they laugh at our stupidity buying an outdated L car thats approaching 20 years old for 80k.
Quit whining. Buy used for 50% less.
Another factor is insurance. Rates have gone through the roof. My 2010 SRT8 rates have gone up over the last three years. No tickets. No accidents. The average buyer is being priced out of the market at every level.
My dealership has never done any of this crazy stuff. Weird.
Honestly as someone that lived through the 1970's I am surprised insurance companies will insure todays high hp "muscle cars and supercars". There is absolutely no good need for the amount of hp and torque on public streets. Add to that the high cost of repairs for accidents.
Unfortunately 2018-2020 was a great time to buy a car and a lot of basketball americans were able to just barely squeeze into a hellcat or scat pack and then proceeded to total them out by doing some stupid shit or taking them to take overs. When that was done, they started stealing them from others.
Now we all gotta pay the price.
Racer X you have hit three nail on the head I have been a Dodge fan for ever bought a last call charger since they were going away, honestly they have nothing muscle anymore I will switch to something else in the future with a V-8
It depends on where you live and how long you have been driving. I'm getting a great rate in PA. It pays to shop around, I'm a senior and got a great rate through AARP.
What’s crazy is even in the car industry it’s the lowest of the population that gets so many things changed… Majority of people want their V8’s yet companies have their heads so far up their ass they just ignore it to satisfy the “1%”.
They won’t be able to build enough mustangs, I predict Mustangs V8s will sky rocket!
@@jimmycline4778 well good for Ford if they keep it up!
Here's what needs to happen (in my opinion) - and in this order. 1) Elect a new president. 2) Immediately change EPA regulations so automakers have flexibility to build what people want. 3) Offer the I-6 as the new base engine. 4) make the 6.2 and 6.4 V8s optional 5) Abandon (or greatly restrict) the electric option since it's obvious nobody above 10-15% of the market wants them. 6) Price all of the above at reasonable prices. This would be a winning formula, but I have little confidence in the current management of Dodge/Stellantis that any of this would happen
Is Too bad that I can only give you 1 👍 instead of 1,000😃
Stellantis should sell Dodge because they don’t care about America muscle
Tim Kuniskis ran Dodge into the ground by not turning his back on commuter car people and pickup truck people by strictly focusing on performance cars they should have a Honda Accord, Toyota Camry or Nissan Altima type of car and a Toyota Tacoma size pickup truck with the Hurricane engine I don’t understand how they only have 3 cars in their lineup and their all performance cars it’s ridiculous Dodge should be as big as Ford and Chevy right now but they literally going right back into that trash company from the early 2000s all over again they’re supposed to be expanding and making the brand accessible to all and not just for performance this is sad Tim Kuniskis failed Dodge by only focusing on the dumb Hellcat engine for over 10yrs releasing the same exact car
Don’t know why you guys think Trump care about middle class people the guy in there is a car guy. Trump only cares about Trump
Anybody paying $70k for a scat pack has lost their minds...and thats before interest
You nailed it. I have been a Mopar guy for nearly 40 years and currently own 3 late model Mopars. I will not own another if there is no V8. Also if the prices don't become affordable.
😮 Demon 170, $300,000,,, 😢 awesome car, but no. I'll just keep watching "Racer X" 😀
Short answer is - corporate indifferance and dealership greed surpasses what little relevancy they may have.
I agree it’s another reason why this country is going downhill
This was Stillantis plan right from the get go!
Amazing how much they have destroyed the brand in just about 2 years.
Their goal was to eventually shift to an Alfa product with a Dodge badge. They have zero interest in building an American vehicle for an American market.
Once they realize we won't buy their Fiats or EVs, they'll be gone.
Chrysler destroyed the brand ,Americans company doesn't honor the warranty . Happened on my truck. They refused to fix it while under warranty.
Drove a Dodge Ram with the Hemi 5.7 for the last 15 years. Just got a new Ram Rebel with the Hemi 5.7 and I will drive it for as long as I can. I chose to buy now because I don't want the 6 cylinder. Similar to how I keep driving the 2012 Boss 302 because I don't want the big tablets across the dash in a new one. Maybe I am just getting stubborn as I get older, but I know what I like and that is how I will spend my money.
I bought a 2016 Rebel in 2020 with a 5.7 in and love it. Had only 35k miles on it. I will drive it until it gives up the ghost and then hopefully grab a Power Wagon
Haters love to call Dodge outdated.
That's why they sold like hotcakes.
I wanted a new muscle car, not a spaceship, so I bought a Dodge.
Simple, powerful, and robust.
There is now absolutely nothing on the new market that holds my interest.
My house payment is 680.00 per month with a 20% cash down payment.
Why on Earth would a spend more per month on a vehicle that depreciates the day you take ownership and will need repair after repair after repair...providing you actually drive the vehicle.
The V8 sound. Agreed.
If you are going to make a 3.5 ltr 6 cyl.
Then make a 3.5 ltr V8.
Yep, dealership here in AZ has 4 parking lots full of chargers and challengers, and none are selling. They want nearly 50k OTD for a basic dodge rt... ridiculous!
@racerx I remember 2019,2020 and 2021 me and my twin brother used to be so obsessed and would do anything to get a dodge. After how the dealerships treated us, we went over to Chevy and bought 4 Camaros since 2021 first two v6 then in 2023 we bought the SS.
Dodge you lost us! 💔💔💔💔💔
I work for a ln aircraft sales and service center, a dealership if you will. We are absolutely held to a standard set by the manufacturer, and they do impose penalties of we step out of line or give them a bad name. Even would go so far to pull their authorization as a sales and service center.
Great to hear 👍
My 2015 challenger scatpack with employee discount but NO other incentives was $36k out the door. They got even cheaper a few years later with the POWER DOLLARS incentive program. Current pricing is ridiculous.
Dodge’s CEO, Tim Kuniskis, Killed The V8 And The Brotherhood!!! 💀💀💀
No he didn't. His hands are tied.
Everything is high these days and the car prices reflect it; you go buy groceries and come out with two small bags and you've spent almost $100, 1100 square foot house cost you 350K! Just the world we living in now.
Nah. This all started when we had the chip shortages and they never came back down. They want to sell for the same prices because they think the public as a whole is dumb.
May Lido "Lee" Iacocca R.I.P. That said, it's ironic to have all Big 3 auto makers prices elevated to the point where they are not the first choice and or not considered at all anymore.
U couldn’t say it any better!!!!
Dodge is in trouble!!!
For Christ sakes a final edition, TRX is $125,615… that’s ridiculous! Those things are still listing all over the place and they are not selling.. 762 hellcats on cars.com. They are not selling…. Too damn expensive for everybody’s blood.. killer upload buddy
some dealers sell for msrp as for hellcats did see a few narrow body with no opts but colors trx one dealer had $50k mark up
MSRP is the problem. Mark up are long gone.. They’re selling super bees for $74,000. For 392. Scats should be between 40 to 46,000. Hellcats need to go back to 52 to 58,000. Average interest rate right now is like 8%. MSRP is the problem
@@williamrose7818 saw a super bee plum carzy $50k mark up if one shops might find a pre price increase car still on the lot cars are getting picked over , me I like a no opt scat pack wide body muscle car no drivers assist to. help me as I drive on open hi ways not in city traffic so no need for the bs , assistant , same with the $1995 18 speaker sound system and $995 out dated factory navigation waste of MONEY
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 Hellcats Charger Widebodys are up to $5500 off sticker! Found 4 dealers blowing them out. TRX’s are $7000+ off sticker here in Mn
@@DefinitelyNotYouThankGod nice deals are out there if we shop
Thank you for making a video on this issue.
You are right on with this Racerx. They have out priced their own brand, and sold their soul for a Benjamin. It's so sad what they have done. I've been a Mopar guy since my 73 Cuda. It's a sad day for what we have to look forward to.
Thank you Thank you Thank you! I hope the right set of ears here’s this, you are spot on!
Yep , prices are crazy now I don’t know how people can afford these cars , when I bought my scat pack charger in 2019 it was only 43k but now omg and my new ram truck I don’t even want to say how much I paid 😢, great video and I hope they listen to what you have to say , great video and be safe out there
My local dealers want 57k for a charger Dayton 5.7 no sunroof, no adaptive cruise. That price alone is laughable. And then they want to use their banks for an %8 loan? Yeah, you keep the car.
Those are all great ideas, I would add communication as an item too. We are currently in the dark on your 3 topics. Does the Dodge brand plan to vent continue.
The new Charger design is killer. I love it.
me to please just one v8
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 where will the engine fit..I’m asking?
@@slimhardaway8 maybe if a inline I-6 fits and its rear wheel drive based floorpan
@@slimhardaway8it’s already been compared online that TT I6 is same size as 6.4L HEMI. Not sure about 6.2L
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 You already know there are people ready to V8 swap one of these on day one haha.
Earlier today, I saw a NEW 2023 Scat Pack Challenger Wide Body for $89,995. I couldn't help but laugh. That is absolutely ridiculous. I owned a brand new, highly optioned 2020 Scat Pack Charger a few years ago for below MSRP. I wish that I still had it.
At that price it better be leather interior. They have around $10,000 off on Scats but need another $5-$10,000 more.
I bought a 2023 Challenger Scat Pack Wide Body on Halloween 2023 for $60K, $2K below MSRP, no add ons. Classic in Arlington, tx.
@@user-kb8hl2rm3dthat sounds like a decent deal man. Nice ride! What options did it have?
Lots of ppl who bought these cars new a few years ago and sold them are actually missing their cars and want them back and these prices nowadays are such a slap in the face! So glad I kept mines!
I leased a Scat Pack when they first came out. The sticker was 41k, my how things have changed.
I’m a Chevy guy and I’m pissed about discontinuing the Camaro,,,,how can they do that! That woman that is control of GM is outta her mind!! GM and Ford stopped their EV plans because they’re not selling, now Dodge kills off their #1 selling vehicles and engines,,,,that Daytona Charger looks totally ridicules and it’s a EV or twin turbo 6,,,lol these young and older guys don’t want that crap ,,,did Bud light team up with Dodge to make these huge decisions? Do they realize just because they want this don’t mean the masses do! 🤯🤯
Fanatec Video! I stand by all of your points! 💯
Very well said. What about cutting out the dealership and buying directly from the manufacturer?
An excellent way to convey the concerns we all feel in a reasonable and measured fashion.
Thank you for doing this video!
Nice and thoughtful list. Thank you.
My small town local CJDR dealer has so much inventory right now they are double parking in rows that you can barely walk through. Last week they received a delivery of Ram 3500 Duallys on top of it all that is double parked in front of the service bays!!!
I agree with RacerX something has to give with Stallantis and the dealers soon! Can’t help but think this inventory bubble has to bust one way or another!!!
I don’t think Stallantis cares , they probably think their loyal customers are going to fold at some point
Thank you Paul greatly appreciated Sir
Really great points. I think Stellantis is showing they don’t care about the dodge brand and are ready to discontinue the brand in a way. I do agree with how the dealerships are doing their loyal customers. They definitely will take the amount down just to move the vehicles.
Awesome content buddy 🙏👍💪
Hybrid V8, flex fuel tech across all platforms, and utilize turbo tech instead of on N/A or supercharged options. All of these are huge performance upgrades and smog compliant. Obviously have a few EV options to take advantage of credits as well
Yes! Absolutely agree, they need to bring some V8 back. I know they could if they really wanted to.
Buying a new Dodge from a dealer has always been difficult. I have passed on many and bought few. Sometimes you can buy a used one and do well. Although I have tried to buy a used car and ended up going through a dealer and bought the same year model car in the same color late in the year and made a better deal with 19000 miles difference.
Over here in Houston area many mustangs sitting on lot alao. Ultimately inflation and interest rates killing spirt car sales. I love the new gt and a base model 6 speed at under 40k w diacounts not to bad $ compared to mopar options
Sure the V8s are great but people forget 2/3 of their sales were V6s. I hope Dodge stays alive, i need the dealership here for my Scat!
Absolutely true about dealerships. For years, i have had pretty great deals. This last year has been the worst.
Love Dodge, had 3 Chargers and one Challenger Scat Pack. I’m still kicking myself for trading in my Scat Pack. Feel like Dodge brand is very disorganized at the moment. Thought about buying another Scat Pack but prices have gone crazy at dealerships. When I bought my 2020 Challenger Scat Pack it was around $48k now they are charging almost 55-60k!
Great review RACER! Time is short for CJDR unless things change very quickly.
No one wants EV. Not only do they Not want EV but they are dramatically driving up insurance rates for everyone.
Totally agree!
the money they were paying to Tesla in the form of BS carbon scam credits was insanity. Glad I just picked up my '23 Durango SRT before they went away. Certainly would not have bothered if it was a TT V6 , even if it made more power
They are just fine in the stealerships lots .we don’t want marked up and inflated prices .had to go with a 23 5.0 moded from dealership with roush supercharger for 75k saved 25k from a Cat .
My 2019 Charger Scat Pack Plus was $51K fully loaded with every option besides the dynamics package, I paid $44K for it brand new with 3 miles on it.. I recently asked about the 1320 edition Charger scat pack to see how much it was at a local dealer and they were selling it for high $60K range and I was like O_o definitely not worth $70K after taxes.. (from Michigan 6% tax) ((I also have access to EP pricing and even with EP it doesn’t help as much anymore))
Good job thank you
when you ordered you demon 170 how come you didn't delete the rear seat from the factory ? or go for the base Lt. wt cloth int with rear seat delete ? or a one seat drag car to save some wt at the drag strip
I got my 2022 WB scatpack right before they announced they were discontinuing the V8 Hemi….,,man I lucked out
Dude, you NAILED this!!! You are preaching to the sinner...Dodge! Amen for speaking truth to power. I bought # 23 of the Last Call Mopar WB RT SCAT and the dealership took advantage by up charging an extra $5000 over MSRP
You nailed it ! Dodge dealerships are, IMO, the biggest issue. Dealerships have always been a “sticky” part in the auto purchase process, however in the last few years it’s become more prevalent. I wanted a challenger RT or scat but withall the B.S coming from the dealerships, I went and bought a Mustang. Sold my RAM pickup and bought a f250. Completely done with Dodge and the headaches they are causing in the auto market. Keep up the good work thanks for posting this.
I agree with you on every single thing you said,🚗 bravo!
Well said RacerX
There IS incentive to purchase now, and I just purchased a 2024 Ram 5.7l hemi 4x4 to get one in it's last year. Got a big dealer and factory discount though I had to go out of my home state to get it!
Good points.
I wish we could order from the factory for under msrp and pick it up and drive it home ourselves, bypassing the greedy dealerships.
I've had enough of Dodge I was a life time customer with Dodge, I wanted to upgrade to a Hellcat from a scatpak, so now I am a proud owner of a Camaro ZL1 at MSRP, no matter what I tried to do I could not get a Hellcat at MSRP. I was Mopar die hard kind of guy but Dodge got to greeted with Markups and they should have done something about those dodges dealership with outrageous markups. Shape on them.
I’m done with Dodge also…
Dodge is done. It's all self-inflicted. I enjoyed them while they were here. I've moved on. That Dark Horse is a beast. And it's modable. Lining up a supercharger for it now.
You hit all the points right on the head. One thing all add, I'm waiting for the Hurricanes so why buy anything now until they start putting the Hurricane in more than just a Wagoneer.
You nailed it!
Good video. All manufacturers need to lower their prices. I have no idea how people pay a $1700 monthly car note.
I am a long time Moparite. I know the Hemi is short lived and the reasons why. One of the first Mopars in my family when I first started driving was a Slant Six Valiant. I am actually excited about the Hurricane. My wife is making noises about the Wagoneer. I would like try the Twin Turbo Six but I am afraid the car will be way more than we can afford. We have a '21 Grand Cherokee L with a lot of life left in it so a new Wagoneer is probably just a pipe dream. We are both retired, comfortable our income but it won't cover an $80,000+ car, she likes her bells and whistles.
A turbo v6 based on the 87 Buick grand national engine would work. They performed better than modern 6.4 hemis and sound great with the right exhaust. A modern version would be epa friendly off boost. They could even tune in green from factory but allow easy retuning for the aftermarket.
Ancira Chrysler Dodge in San Antonio is one awesome dealership as well. I actually got my 170 under sticker. Cross town at San Antonio Dodge the are stoking there customers 200k for a 170
I think it would be interesting to see a 4.5 L flex fuel V8 with double overhead cams. from dodge
V8 is a must if Dodge remains a relavant game player. They are known for that. It's like Tesla began producing 1.4L petrol engines, wouldn't probably go well..
Here is my theory...FCA is going to depart north America due to rising employee costs and will be mainly on the European brand
Dodge keeps calling me everyday for the Durango hellcat… even went as far to offer $4700 off the sticker…. Which I still think ISNT a deal
I love my 2023 Durango Hellcat. Best of both worlds a family truck that’s fast.
I bought my challenger last year and got 5k off msrp I love my dealership but they don't have the inventory that others have sadly I wish they had more
They thought that saying "Buy it now, before it's gone" was going to make people pay stupid prices... guess the TONS of cars they still have on the lots shows that they were wrong!
I think you alluded to it in a prior video, but they had opportunity to bring back the Stealth to fill the gap. They could have taken the power plants from the Alfa Giulia or a variant of them which seem to be reliable engines and put together a halo car to replace the Viper and Challenger.
Just scored a great deal on a loaded 2023 Touring XT.
7:33 that's a lot for a
Challenger art hellcat redeye
In early 2020 before Covid,galeana van dyke dodge in Warren Michigan had a 2019 leftover grey scat pack for 33,000 clearanced that sticker for $42.000 brand new, try to get a leftover 2023 for that today deal of a lifetime..
In 2020 my brand new hellcat was 53,000… brand new and they had 11 of them for sale on lot from 52 to 55,000… I think they might’ve had 15 for sale.
I have been a Mopar enthusiast since I was 18 years old when I bought my first 70 Dodge Charger that was a one owner with 53k original miles back in '86. I have saw them go through the rotten years up through the glory years and have owned a lot of Dodges and Plymouths over the years. Most recently a 2010 Challenger R/T, '14 Ram, '17 Scat Pack Challenger and currently a '15 Ram R/T. I also currently own a '67 Dodge Dart hot rod, but have decided that after these are gone, I will not purchase another Stellantis product. I have watched them destroy the CDJR brand and am going with the import models going forward starting with the very soon purchase of a Toyota. So long Stellantis, not been so nice knowing you!
Carvana has the model, no hassle if you don't mind used. Still costs need to come down on the new ones.
I would absolutely agree with all of that and to make a new V8 that is fuel efficient. They could make a new Magnum V8 which was smaller than the Hemi, I’d say a supercharged 4.7 would be the best choice so it keeps the supercharged V8 goodness, and it will bring everyone back to Mopar. Just my thoughts but I’m sure they’ll do what you said
I bought a 2016 charger with a MSRP of 39995. I negotiated the sale price to 29995. They were selling the hell out of chargers and challengers. Like you said X, the dealerships want MSRP plus they add a 600$ service fee. Total BS. They can keep them cars until they are ready to offer a good deal. Enough is enough
I was going to buy a scat pack back in late 2019 when they were $42,900($38,050 after $4850 discount) but didn’t pull the trigger because I could find an orange one. I got the itch to buy one again in late 2021 but the prices had gone through the roof. I might end up buying one if there ends up being a ton a repos and the price craters on used ones.
Hi Racer X, great content as always. I can't help but wonder if Stellantis is deliberately trying to run the MOPAR brands down to the point where they will stop using those nameplates, and just roll the desirable products into their European portfolio brands, like the Charger / Durango / Hornet roll up into Alfa , roll the Ram and Jeep Wranglers under a different Euro brand etc..
I agree 100%
This is a no brainer without even watching.
1) Build a better quality product
2) Price them accordingly, so make them cheaper as they’re worth much less than what they’re currently asking.
3) Bring back some reliability. Having 0 resale value other than special models means when your customer needs a new car they need to be able to sell or trade the one in they have. Leaving them with the option but to have their Journey towed to a junk yard or a $500 trade in is next to no incentive to buy a Dodge product.
Unfortunate this is the world we live in now! It's not just the auto industry it's doing business with anything. Piss on the EV's!
Actually the new Challenger Daytona electric is the best looking electric car out there but it doesn't compare as far as looks to the way that the old last year's Challenger body style appeared
I’ve had a gut full of dealership slide of hand. I will not trust them and confidence has been obliterated. At this point they can go get bent.
💯 rite @RacerX hit it rite on the nose
1023 Ford Explorer, 4 cyl turbo, not a hybrid. $62,495 CDN. So how far off is the G Cherokee you quoted?
Dealership experience and the way Dodge handpick allocations has kept me from getting another one.
All this talk about the EPA and the EV makes me want to go out and do a fat burn out in my hellcat💨💨
Imagine if a scat pack is 70k in the states, its 100k in Canada! For a scat pack?? I remember in the 90s dodge had v8 options like the 318 and the 360 magnum in the dakoda RT. They were very cool trucks!
Always some great comments...wished someone with deep pockets would buy out the Dodge/Jeep division from Stellantis...nobody wants European influenced models and EV's...just bought more dream giveaway tickets..6X right now.
One simple solution is to get rid of stealerships....make it an order online or a building with only a couple of vehicles for each model that you just order all options with a kiosk and only have to deal with a person to do paper work....all of these dealerships are gouging customers also in their parts,service along with sales....got a price for the green belt for my 19 challenger hellcat redeye and it was over $750.00....used the gates number and it was $68.00...their prices are outrageous.
Just checked my 2023 Charger GT's window sticker, and the "smog" index for my V6 is a 5. So, meh. Right in the middle.
So true, I'd love to get a hellcat but just so damn expensive and I definitely don't make 6 figures
I have owned a couple of Rams, a couple of Chargers, all with the 5.7 Hemi. I used to dream of owning a Charger scatpack wide body, but when they announced all of the EV, they killed the Hemi and raised all of the prices through the roof. My car choice now is a 5.0 Mustang. I have never been a Ford guy, but for the money and horsepower at this point, you can't beat them.
People need to put complaints at the department of motor vehicles as that's where the dealerships get their license. Once someone lodges a complaint there the dealerships jump. This info needs to be said more.