After DODGE got GREEDY the Hellcat Charger & Charger Scatpack 392 STOPPED SELLING!
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2024
- After DODGE got GREEDY the Hellcat Charger & Charger Scatpack 392 STOPPED SELLING! When Dodge got GREEDY with the Price Hikes on Dodge Chargers & Dodge Challengers, this is what drove Dodge Charger Hellcat & Scatpack's into the ground and people stopped buying them.. SERIOUS Discussion Video.. (MUST WATCH)...
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I’m waiting for the 75% below MSRP sale
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That's in August right?
Imagine😂😂😂
Me and you both 😂😂😂😂
That won’t happen, they’ll whole sale them at auctions before marking them down 75%.
If they did that I’d buy a Scatpack Challenger for myself and a Scatpack Charger for my woman on the same day.
It’s getting so bad that the dealership leaving the Hellkats out to be stolen but nobody stealing them…😂💯
I think they can get their money back if it's stolen and not recovered. Right now they are losing money selling new 2023 Model year cars in 2024.
Now THAT'S wild if thieves aren't even interested in stealing the Hemis.
They all outside in NC😂
Yup lol here in Houston too only thing that’s inside is them 170 shits anything below that collecting rust outdoors😂
The thieves can't even afford to insure them. LOL
People take pictures on the freeway, stop me at food places, kids take pictures with my car. Gotta be honest my Hellcat gets all the love.
Do you have a charger or challenger?
@@nicos1097 Challenger
Same here, Charger HC Redeye, get photographed all the time and I plan on paying it off early and keeping it forever and of course mod it after the warranty is up
@@LSp8 Love it, and we have the same plans for our cars too 🔥.
You must live in a small town
Charger and challengers are the crown Victoria of the new age. Never changed.
Who wants to wait till the year's end to race out and buy an OUTDATED CAR that sat on the lot for over a year and collected dust and rust?
If they're willing to take on the cost of putting brand new rotors and brakes on it, and drain/change all the fluids, and change whatever Else has rusted, then I'll buy one.
Me.
My 16 SRT sat on the lot over a year collecting dust because it was a 6 speed, 7 years and 65k miles later I’ve had no problems!
Probably a lot of people!
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Dodge isn't special anymore. Chargers and Challengers are everywhere. I wanted a scat or hellcat for a while, but with all the news from Stelantis and cars getting stolen, i dont want the headache, nor do i want to put my life on the line for a Dodge 😂😂😂
Shi speak for yourself ima get me that super charger 😂
@YAU10 hope you're strapped and wearing bulletproof vests. Lol, good luck 👍
@@YAU10get you a ram 3500 dually looks good. And can make you money.
Interest Rates, Greedflation we are now paying the "Actual Price car
w/ cafe credit paybacks included, passed onto us the Consumer. Also milking the same cars since 06,08, & 05 was eventually gonna play out(300s Challenger & Chargers). A certain segament of the population, will still be rocking these cars 20 years from now listening to the exact same music from this ERA. Could care less.
@@Darkseid757 trust this ARP everywhere I go 😮💨
As they should. Hellcats should be 75k max not 100k and I’m talking redeye jailbreak 807hp. The only dodge worth 6 figures is the viper 🤷🏿♂️
Nope try 60k after tax, reg, title
ARC
To you
Hellcat should be 55,000 to 60,000 nowhere near 70,000. My Hellcat brand new and 2020 was 53,000.
And not even the public road purpose viper either we talking ARC track purpose like the mustang GTD( which is over priced imo)
Your right Dodge got greedy but I would say from 2020 to 2024 and 20 thousand plus for the same car is crazy . Dodge forgot one of the reasons why there cars were so hot affordability for the working guy who wanted a bad machine
My 2016 HELLCAT CHARGER was $75,000 loaded.
I NEVER would have spent the $85,000- $100,000 being demanded for the widebody or Redeye.
Dodge got greedy.
Now they’re going to die.
I paid 72 for my 2020 ordered red eye. I laughed at a dealer the other day who was still getting mark ups
You paid way too much
Lol
you paid too much as well, not even a widebody, 2016s were like 55-60k max
biggest thing stopping me from getting a wb scat, is saving for a house
all I want is a dodge Durango R/T don't need all that other stuff
Prepare to pay hellcat numbers just to get a V8 Durango off the lot
$66k and 👆
It all went down after 2019. COVID hit, and they found an excuse to raise vehicle prices.
Dodge failed to realize that people could barely afford the cars to begin with
Dodge messed up by raising MSRP on something that hasn’t changed in 10 years. But the dealerships need to go. If the EV thing gets pushed back like everyone other manufacturers is doing and brings the v8s back. They need to allow us to cut the dealerships out the equation and do what Tesla does and drop that shit off at your house.
Amazing idea
Somewhere Dodge forgot they were selling Muscle cars and thought, hey why not get supercar prices if they want these cars! There is always a tipping point and Dodge went past it by a mile.
Great insight from you KO360 I never thought about it like that, keep dropping the knowledge much appreciated 💯
I called yesterday about a $70,000 super bee. Let’s all keep in mind there’s nothing super about it and it’s a 392. I sent to the guy I’m interested in the superb. I know it’s been sitting there for a year. I’m nowhere near 70,000.. He says make me an offer. I want it off my lot. I replied 58,000. He said no, I can’t do it for that, but I can give it to you for retail. I said well what’s the retail price? he says 69,000. Ahahahha ahhahahahahaha ahahhahahahah…
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Goofy ass lost a chance to take it off the lot. They will be forced to severely reduce the prices because the masses for the most part agree they are severely overpriced. That salesman is Uber goofy.
Let this Scat rot on his lot....he'll remember not taking that 58k offer...
It's crazy that my 2012 charger r/t is about 80 percent the same interior wise to my 2023 1320
The prices increased because of the penalties Dodge paid to maintain the V8 production. It’s very expensive to maintain the V8 those days with the emission standards. They have to pay penalties to CAFE and it is reflecting on the car price. People want V8’s, but don’t want to pay the price. That’a why they are going electric. They have no choice
That's it right there. That's a major contributing factor as to why prices went up.
If that's the case why are Chevy and ford still making V8s that are capable of emission standards. Nobody wants EVs and the government wants to force something that is causing more pollution to be made plus more to get fixed
@@MR_DLG because Chevy and Ford don’t have the same strategy than Dodge. They diversified their products. Mostly Dodge cars have big engines (Ram, Charger, Challenger, Durango…)They don’t have the same emission. And I am pretty sure it will come a moment where Chevy and Ford will have to go electric. I am not a fan of electric cars neither. I have a Charger Super Bee and I am so glad I have it. I am not ready to go electric
@@Hdeejamesexactly, when Chevy and ford were making the more emission savvy cars like the ford fusion, trax, ecosport so and so fourth dodge only had the 3.6 to show and THAT engine isn’t even all that eco friendly so it’s all on dodge they shot themselves in the foot and now they can’t or don’t want to buy anymore carbon credits from Tesla so they gotta go electric 🤷🏽♂️ on top of stellantis wanting to get rid of the big V8s anyway
Where do you get this info from?
These remind me of when the SRT magnum and SRT 300c came out, everyone had them. After a while, nobody was breaking their necks when one passed by.
I don’t think the huge discounts will ever really materialize until the inventory is down next to nothing. I go on all my Florida dealer sites daily and their inventory is going down. Albeit slowly but it is going down.
Good video I took my Hellcat Red eye in to get serviced and I was looking around and they had about 15 R/Ts and they were selling them all at MSRP no discounts which surprised me.
No one ever gives props to Cadillac's CTS-V /coupe for bringing over 550HP and a SUPERCHARGED v8 to the party BEFORE Dodge did it in the Hellcat.
GM lost their way too.
Now they produce 500 - 700 HP Electric Lyriqs.
I live in Arizona and there's a lot of rich people here, You have a hard time finding a red eye of either charge Or challenger. You can find regular Body Hellcats, Wide body scatpacks, and of course the six cylinder. The job situation is not that bad here, So people drive what they want to drive. I just think everybody that wanted One of these cars has already bought 1.
“Snottsdale” lawyers got a few and then the cougars bought a few more for their 25 yr old boyfriend.
Dodge did a lot of things wrong but the main thing is that he never really changed the vehicles by much so when you bring the 2023 prices up, ppl said I’ll just get a used one. Plus you could just build one at this rate bc all the parts are pretty much interchangeable
Mechanically, The WIDEBODY models have ELECTRIC STEERING while the narrow bodies have hydraulic steering. A lot of people forget that.
The widebody also necessitates larger/ wider tires and wheels. The price increase is partly due to those factors.
Widebody models have a lower top speed than narrow body models due to drag.
Drag ?? Both cars have the same engine; the difference being the limiter/governor is set lower on the narrow body because the suspension and skinny tires can’t handle the extra power generated, there’s tons of videos showing the WB’s ahead of the narrow body.
Facts
@RARochester wrong!
@@lmjames33 Ok, so Dodge charges $6000.00 more for a WB that's slower than the narrowbody; let me guess, you have a narrowbody. Yeah, Dodge ADDS the wider tires and adaptive suspension because the car is slower than the narrowbody !!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dude, did you make it through 5th grade or did you start cheating at 5th grade ???????????????????????????????????????????????
Google it : Dodge says the Scat Pack Widebody pulls 0.98 g on the skidpad and is 1.3 seconds quicker around the same track than the standard, narrow-body Scat Pack but still slower than the Hellcat Widebody.Feb 2, 2022
I have a WB Challenger and creamed an NB Charger so I guess he must have had an off day.............
I agree a 100%. I love to have a SCAT PACK but I'm retired and can't afford the new prices.
The Roadrunner. Big engine, light body, cheap price. That’s the winning formula. Heavy car, big motor, big markups, big price is the losing formula. People work for a living, can’t live in their cars. Lost sight of reality
our local Dodge dealer had a whole lot full of Mopars marked up since last year, and not selling anything. they finally been forced to put discounts on their inventory (under sticker)
This is my second Mopar I am done with them I got one more year to pay my Scat Pack off that is it
My 3rd one and i agree 🤣🤣🤦🏿
It's Stellantis who is Greedy & passed that shit to CDJR. A '21 392 Jeep Rubi was 76k. That model stayed exact same thru '23, but '23s were 90k. The final edition is '24 & it's 96k right now at tax time but dealers got huge greed for additional 10-50k extra, depending on badging & leather color. The main thing Jeep has that Dodge doesn't is the rarity on #s, as they're only 6600 made per year, so 26k total Jeep 392s, but they all going balls deep with greed because it's Hemi's last year. No thanks..
The swap game is part of sales declining also...
Another great video and thanks
Excellent Video And Spot On! 👍
Also insurance is a big factor for how much these cost a month
Everywhere I go I see scatpacks. I actually thought trading mine in for a M3 Bmw
Seen a 2023 Hellcat in Canada listed at 140k Canadian funds.
Great points, Dodge is under new ownership and the direction for Dodge is EV's. BIG mistake IMP.
What’s the best aftermarket exhaust for the scatpack?
Nov-Dec I tried to get a wide body scat the cheapest I found in NC was 57K plus the 3500 pack I said no and went and got a 1LE
I think you're on the right track. I own two Dodge cars - a '16 RT Challenger and an '08 SRT8 Magnum. In Southern California, you can't throw a brick without it hitting some random challenger - they're everywhere. I love my car, but it doesn't stand out. By FAR I get more head turning and questions about the station wagon! 17 years of challengers is a long time. And unless you're really into Dodge, one looks the same as the next. It's like Porsche. Put two clean ones side by side, and I couldn't tell which was brand new and which was 40 years old, or which one was a $50k Porsche and which one was a $500k Porsche.
Any issues with the 16 R/T Challenger, I am looking at a Shaker with just 25K miles.
@@capricetony I had three problems, currently at about 120k miles. The antenna shorted out somehow, showed I was two times zones away and wouldn't pick up any radio stations. Dealer fixed it for a few hundred dollars. The other two problems I haven't gotten fixed. The center console cracked and split where my elbow rests while driving, and the leather interior panel on the driver door has bad adhesive, so on hot days you can hear it grip and release when you press against it. Other than that, been a great car with only scheduled maintenance.
@@rhaegotiall interior door panels peel away from the doors
@@2toofulcenter console too. My RTs in curling up bad and had been like that after the first couple years and ordered new. Annoying AsF but not complaining much since it’s mechanically perfect @ 126k
I’m not planning to leave Dodge all together I’m just shifting to a RAM 2500 and 3500 mega cab truck. The trucks are versatile and I can do more things with a truck from work, hauling, and long distance travel. With the economy crashing around us I will need a truck and trailer to live in and travel in.
I just got me a 2018 MT WB hellcat… my first Mopar… always been a mopar head since Viper came out… but never been able to afford it… (move to US 20 years ago… college, family, work, etc) is not a viper… but it will do! (More comfortable than a viper too) 😂
I just want a 392 scat pack Challenger
well said man... Currently in the market but abt to leave the market...refuse to pay prices so inflated......absurd
I just payed 50k for a 2016 hellcat 16k miles one owner clean car fax manual.
Damn where yall finding these deals i wanna cop one that price
@@mucleboy0151get on car gurus and if your willing to travel you’ll find 15 and up cats for decent prices used. Even a few 23 widebody scats
WOW
The challenger body exterior technology hasn’t ever changed since early 2000s minus the lights. Technology the same car
I agree Bro! With everything you said, any news on price on ev scat maybe interested if there is a $10000 tax credit
Moving out of the Brotherhood, been looking for Durango RT Tow n Go but it's $80,000 CAD MSRP according to the dealership. Family is getting bigger and wanted to upgrade from the Charger RT, but I can't with those prices. Looking to get Toyota Grand highlander, practicality maybe is the way to go now. Besides i can ride that thing forever
If the hellcat ever drop to 60-65k im trading in my RT immediately….until then im good with what I got!
I totally agree with you, but I still love my challenger widebody fam
I agree with everything your saying Knockout 360 💯
I think another reason for slow Dodge sales besides high prices is not everybody is into V8 6.2 vehicles. Alot of people might be anticipating the ELECTRICAL VEHICLES out with the old in with the New mentality like what's NEW ??!!
Look, there are still dealerships trying to get dealer markups above msrp. Look at the inventory on the lots.
I saw a nice one on a used car/new car website for 80k. I think I might go for that deal. I just brought a house with a garage. You know what the garage is for.
I’m still getting a Taurus or finding one cause it’s getting to that point where u have to hunt from state to state to find
I had a 2012 charger and sold it came back years later and bought a 2018 R/T. But by 2020 there was a charger at every single stop light. Not I'm on cadillac. Just bought a 2021 cadillac CT4-V. He ain't lying
I'm looking at the CT5 blackwing with 668HP
Yea where I live at they have 2018 and 2019 hellcat's going for $109,000 and Scat pack going for $85,000
Just saw an R/T Today in Arizona that is 23% off of MSRP! 😲😯
Speak on it bro! Let dodge know they lost their minds, I'm a Chevy SS guy but your absolutely right dodge was just being greedy. Now they want to lay off thousands of workers.
Looking at a 23 wide body scat challenger with fully loaded with red seats for 51k with 2k miles trynna grab for less if I can
I bought my 2015 cat in 2019 for 48k still got the window sticker… now I’m waiting. For the trx to drop in price. Not that low but hey who knows
My love for Mopar goes back to the classic 70s models of the Challenger and Chargers. IMO, Mopar always had the better-looking muscle cars! I cant see myself drivering any other muscle car! Maybe the Dark Horse or a Shelby Super Snake!
Honestly outside of car meets, I may see one WB challenger of any trim once a week. Just waiting for the wb challenger scat price to drop od
I agree these prices are wild, but if you take a look at an inflation calculator, $45k in 2015 is equivalent to $59.7k in 2024. So realistically, the price didn’t just go up for nothing. Still a crazy price, but that’s just inflation at work
I went from Scatpack to Tesla Model S , less on gas and can’t still gap SRTs at a stop light …
Dark Horse 500 horsepower
☝️ this will be the direction I'm going, faster and cheaper...
@@lynch6642 me to
I’m thinking Camaro ZL1
@@RLogan-sl7xl I don't blame you whatever it is it's not Dodge I'm done with them now one more year left with this Scat Pack is paid for I'm moving on
Dark Horses are between 57 and 60k! It's cheaper and faster than a Scat! I'm not a Mustang guy, but I would push a Dark Horse!
My c6 cost me only $20k, has LT headers, cam, tuned can easily smoke $90k cats. That’s what I did cause I wanted the most bang for my buck.
No it cnt
I respect the build but that’s not enough to beat a stock 6.2 regardless of how light it is, did you mean Scat packs…
@@Bagged_Hemi a tuned scat will give him problems too he cappin bro
@@Bagged_Hemithat build would definitely smoke a cat 😂😂😂 we talking a c6 with around 470-500hp with 3300ibs vs 4500ibs and around 650-700hp
People dont understand weight to power @@demarkisdinkins2737
Interest rates are crazy high, and some people are getting denied loans
they charge 6k for snap on fender flares.
You must have a NB with Vicrez cs the WB flares ARE NOT snap on🤦🏾♂️😂
Get a different suspension, wider rims/tires and bigger brakes to go with the “snap on” fender flares
@@FBG_Taliban the hell are you talking about literally 2 screws and a rivets is what hold the finder flares on. It is so easy to take off, that thieves pulled up with a screwdriver and snatched them off in less than 5 minutes
@@fulcrumsee5968 but you said SNAP ON smart guy,that's NOT snap on🤦🏾♂️
@@fulcrumsee5968 but you said SNAP on tho didn't you smart guy😂🤣and it isn't even screws,the WB Hellcat flares don't come off, they're connected to the car😂if you take the front bumper off the front half of the flares come off cs it's connected to the splitter as well🤣😂🤣tell me you aint never seen a Hellcat up close without telling me🤦🏾♂️
January 2021, FCA becomes part of Stellantis after merger with Peugeot. February 2021 Stellantis disbanded SRT division. It was all down hill after that.
Went to the dealership this past weekend with$ 5000down to get a Daytona frost blue suade interior with 28000 miles on it 2020 I didn’t get approved I have no repos my credit score is under a 600 😂
Ford also offers a factory warrantied supercharger that can be purchased and installed.
from canada here... checking EVERYY single day for widebody hellcats.... all of them are over 120s 🥺 any widebody challenger hellcat below 105 is like 2018 ... 😫 im big big dodge challenger guy... but prices in canada making me lean toward Corvette C8.... saw few 2LT option below 15k KMS .. below 95... i dont know what to do 😫😫
I was just a dealer they have a used 2023 scat pack for 52k BUT 5k of add ons $700 for nitrogen filled tires, $1500 for gps recovery system and $1500 for anti scratches and anti stains plus $700 for deep cleaning and catalytic etching 😂😂
Many dodge 2023 models and some 2024 vehicles are on sale. They are offering dealer discount plus MSRP discount.
ya needa hit up carvana bro, unless you want it brand new 0miles but carvana got decent prices
The 300 swaps is the new new
I’ve been peeping that
And they only being sold for 35k 😂 I’m just now finding out
@LowkeeLevi I saw one at a dealership by my house for 25 grand
yup people going custom since dodge aint doing it
@@Elder-Bryant
People are simply fixing one of CDJR’s biggest mistakes!!!! Not offering a SRT / HC 300 after 2015 (until the Last Call C & for export-only markets🤦🏾♂️). They should’ve built them and obviously they would’ve still sold, probably for more 💰. I would’ve gotten one over my Redeye if it was offered. I’m glad everyone is doing swaps and doing what should’ve been done years ago!
I just drove past my local GMC dealer the other day and they had a used Durango Hellcat on their lot on a podium on the outside of the actual car lot. Asking $85k. Ridiculous
Currently local to me, slim body scat challys are going for 10k off and charger scats 5K
Bro listen I went from a 16 accord coupe to a 22 Charger GT. LoL while the interior is the same, I'm still looking to jump to an R/T Daytona. Almost grabbed on before I moved out of FL but the price wasn't worth it. Funny thing is, there aren't as many Chargers and Challengers for sale in my area. FL is PACKED with them.
How much did u put down for charger gt and how much a month?
Purchased a new Jeep SRT in 2021. Kept it for 2.5 years. Recently traded for a BMW M2. Absolutely loved the Jeep it was amazing all around. Dealer service was horrible. They totally lost me with their hurricane engine. BMW is the overall better performer and value in some cases. The theft. Negative attention were a huge hassle.
Don't forget about the rates... still kind of high across the board. And it doesnt really matter what your credit looks like. I have a score that more that 100+ pts higher than when I bought my 392 in 2020 and the rate is almost 3% higher (No lates etc....) Even if the rates come down people don't want to pay high payments for cars that are now as common as Hondas on the road
Yeah the rates suck!!! I pay all my bills on time and the rate on my Redeye is 8% and Never Late. Just got a new 300C and credit was 760, got spanked with a fucking ridiculous 12% from Stellantis. I’m not really tripping since I’m just gonna refinance with my credit union I got my Redeye through. I see why these cars are sitting. Nobody should be paying bad credit rates when they have good credit🤦🏾♂️. I wonder what they would’ve hit me with if I was under 700 💀
@@LSp8 Damn!!! 12% w/ 760... Im in the same range... Glad to know if I do something it defiitely won't be with those. financial terroists. If you have below 700 I wouldn't even buy right now no matter what the incentives are.
When a non- salvaged decent mileage RedEye goes for upper 60’s low 70’s I’ll consider.
I agree. They made decisions based on greed rather than fanbase and they are where they are. That being said, I think the worst thing they did was make it difficult & expensive to mod. The dodge muscle cars have so many other good points about them that if they were more easily modifiable and slightly less expensive they'd still be high in sales. Most guys don't buy sports cars to leave them completely stock. So dodge got whooped in that corner.
If they covered certain mods under warranty, they'd still have the muscle car market cornered.
The latest gen challenger is still the best looking muscle car out there... the charger also, which Ford & Chevy have no answer for as sedans go... the widebody charger is the best looking sedan out, period (my opinion).
You forgot to mention how hot these cars are now with police, I'm a truck driver, I see them pulled over on the daily.
To replace ev battery will cost you 28,000 to 36,000.
What’s a good price for a “brand new” 2023 Charger R/T Blacktop?
If they would have done a interior redesign in 2020 I would have bought a hellcat charger motor and exterior looks wasn't enought to sway me esp for the prices
The MSRP on Stellantis has been raised 50.4% over the last 5 years which is higher than any other manufacturer. Then the dealerships added more on top of it. Now the manufacturers have dropped to MSRP and lower thinking it’s cheap. No it’s still overpriced because MSRP’s have been raised over the years. Dodge is going to have to have massive incentives to get rid of the remaining inventory because the public is over them.
i just found a 15' hellcat 6spd for 40k with 41k miles one owner lmao i thought id never
I wouldn’t buy a hellcat before 2018 superchargers have baring problems
@@diangelo6686 good to know!, I wasn’t gonna buy it but looked pretty good plus it’s an manual (pretty rare tbh)
@@NudaMan with 40k if I was gunna buy a redneck mobile I would buy the cheapest duramax I can find and mod the shit out of it easily push 1000hp 1000lb pf of torque. Plus you can drive anywhere fuck a curb don’t even need to worry about a curb or a bush for that matter
My auto mart puts the scatpacks and Trx’s inside the service lane here. They just recently this week put them in the parking lot to be stolen 😂😂😂😂
I got a 22 scat brand new, ordered it. Thought I wanted to keep this car forever. I’m almost tempted to trade for a mustang or Mercedes.
When a new hellcat or reset cost the same as a used supercar like a McLaren , Lambo, Bentley, GT2RS, etc grown folks would rather the supercar and nobody really wants to pay for a 90k-100k dodge
I wanted a dodge challenger but way to expensive like over 20k for used with 100,000 miles. So I bought a used Mustang for that with 28k miles
The 3 Ps are keeping those cars on the lot - Price, price, and price.
I love my lil outdated scat. Damn
Yeah it’s the markups!! I paid 7k markup for my last call 😢
My narrow body 2016 came electronic steering now my scat pack charger swapped Magnum wagon his it now😊
Now I'm rebuilding the 6.4 392 to handle my twin turbo setup .
C8 camero Mustang anre not muscle cars those are sports cars i dont understand the comparison
I agree on the c8 , but the mustang and Camaro are muscle cars
@@DirtyRice334 just go look it up those are pony cars not muscle cars like ppl don't no this...they were never muscle cars
these typa of vids are neccesary let them know consistenly how bad they fucking up we gotta force em to drop these prices