Direct Connection Stage 2 Review
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2023
- This is a quick review of a Stage 2 Installation on my 2021 Dodge Challenger Red-eye.
The installation was completed by the guys at David Dodge in Glen Mills Pa.
The Dyno comparison pulls where completed by Josh Swartz at HHP in Smyrna Delaware.
Just wanted to clear up an error in the video, when I said the baseline tune by Josh I meant to say baseline Pull, the car was completely stock and not tuned in the before Dyno test. 
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Thank you for the honest in-depth review. Very informative. Glad you’re happy with the stage kits.
Congratulations Ron B. 👌🏽🥳🎉🎈😎
Beautiful car love the color and stripe!
Great review, thanks and keep posting
Thanks 👍
I just found out about direct connection about a hour ago! and wow! Can’t wait to upgrade my redeye charger! This is new to me and it’s under warranty! Take my money!!! lol. Thanks for making these vids bud.
Excellent job 👏
Thank you very much!
awesome wheel and tire set up.
Thanks 👍
Good information thank you
Great video, very informative. Do you mind saying what wheel and tyres combo you use for the drag strip, I have a narrow body redeye and am looking at options currently
The rears are Weld RTS S71 Beadlocks 17x10 +30 with MT ETr 305/45/17, I bought the adjustable down links from HHP, only like $75 a pair, so the would clear sway bar unsprung. Depending on what year red-eye you have determines what front skinnies you can run, 21+ you only have 1 choice and that's the Weld 20x5.
Good video! Getting my jailbreak charger done this month
Cool good luck with it.
THANX 4 THA REVIEW🔥🔥🔥YUR THA 1ST N ONLY 1 TO DO IT🦾💯🫡.. IVE BEN WAITING SINCE ANNOUNCEMENT TO DO MY REDEYE HELLCAT CHALLENGER. DODGE FINALLY GOT PASS CALIFORNIA CARB CERTIFICATION. THA LAWS OUT HERE IN L.A. COUNTY R INSANE🤔STAGE 3 IS TBA MIGHT BE CLOSE 2 950HP🔥🦾💯🫡
Np you're welcome, I was in the same boat as you I had been #1 on the install list at my dealer for over a year and a half. Finally gave up waiting and scheduled aftermarket install and then they announced the kits were approved and shipping the week before it was supposed to be done 🤣
Congratulations
Hi thanks for this! liked & sub'd! I just paid online for the prestage kit (even though I don't need an air filter) as my 2019 Redeye has about 1 year left on powertrain warranty. I'm in Eastern PA so going to connect with HHP and ask them to install the stage 1 and 2 and make sure all is good with the car. I really like the way the stock transmission shifts but interested to know what a tuner does that makes it better. My question is that is the higher RWHP result realized by HHP's mods are on pump gas or on 100 Octane?
I wouldn't buy the DC kits if you're going to go the HHP route, it will cost more and you won't get the warranty because Power broker isn't doing the install. HHP has everything you'll need and will be cheaper than going piecemeal.
The trans tune they do will optimize shift points for better performance.
HHP didn't tune my car at all, just did the before and after Dyno pulls, I meant to say pulls instead of tunes in that part of the video.
My gains were noticed on the Race gas(HO) tune of the Stage 2 kit, on the 91 tune my times showed no or little improvement. When Josh tunes your car you'll see marked improvement in both pump gas and race gas tunes.
I would definitely give them a call and ask to speak with either Josh, tell them Ron with the orange Red-eye sent you they'll take good care of you.
Keep in mind by improvement I mean my 1/4 mile times. We didn't Dyno the non HO mode because there wasn't any noticeable improvement in times or speed.
Thanks again for your time and replies. There is allot of info out there but little compares to the detail and way that you describe this.
I have yet to see anyone showing track times and trap speeds.
I sure would not want to go against you on the drag strip it seems like you are dialed in on this car!
I have owned and logged many miles on some of the fastest cars made.
I'm in Eastern PA and believe it or not, I have never been on a real track and never even driven with drag radials.
(The days of street racing are over I got away with alot and luck eventually runs out).
I'm thinking of going to Island Dragway in Jersey pointers.
@@nyplantings2420Np was my pleasure. The main reason I made the video was because of all the BS and misinformation being put out there by all the so called " Experts"
Great video. Love the before and after testing. How about seat of the pants difference?
When HO mode is active you can definitely feel the difference, when it's not imo, and my times, there's not a noticeable difference.
Thanks for the video…I’m actually in the area and I was wondering about the Direct Connection…I have a 22 SS I think I’m going to go for it
This won't work on a chevy
No Problem the Guys at David Dodge did an awesome job.
SuperStock just didn’t feel like spelling it out
Tell Tyler Ron b sent you 😁
Thanks for the review! Question: I am picking up the Pre Stage Kit tomorrow but I wanted to install it myself. Is it easy to diy install pre stage kit or does it require dealership installation?
It's not hard, the toughest part will be swapping out the thermostat and then beading the cooling system. Keep in mind that if you do it yourself it will only have the DC parts warranty, not the factory warranty. The dealer has to install the kits in order for you to retain the Dodge power train warranty.
Well final testing is finished and confirmed that not Only can you Activate HO mode without race gas in the tank, it actually applies the tune as well. Was on pump gas for this weekend and With HO mode active (on pump gas) the car ran the same 2.5 - 3 tenths quicker than when 91 tune was active even though there was no race gas present( only did a couple btb passes for test purposes only) It's not supposed to but it does. I definitely would Not recommend doing this because it's just a matter of time before engine grenades because of detonation from lack of the high Octane, plus I'm pretty sure you'd void your warranty if you blow the engine in HO mode when they find out you were on pump gas.
Mine kicks out of HO mode if I don't have 100 octane, says "knock detected, blah blah blah back to 91 mode"
@@zachman0808 Hmm maybe they pushed through a fix then, when did you have yours installed?
@@BodsRailRoad 6/16
learn how to grab the camera retard!
Thanks for sharing! I’m getting pre stage installed on my 2021 redeye late June . Question….how is pre stage 802 turned on after install? Will track mode say 802hp instead of 797
I think it's automatic no need to activate, it updates the base tune when they install the new software.
Will you be doing a video to compare your launches between your stock wheels VS the new WELD racing wheels setup?
Here are 2 Pre- Stage 2 videos the first one is best time stock fronts (in -DA weather)
ruclips.net/video/Yx3yy1S6Ge8/видео.html
Here is one with the Weld Ventura 5 Spoke 20x5s (again in -DA weather)
ruclips.net/video/gH4FpukFu-I/видео.html
@@BodsRailRoad Awesome man- thanks for sharing. Did you also do a run with the stage 2 while using the original tires before the Weld racing wheel upgrade?
I did last week, with stock fronts in HO mode in 93' about +2600ish DA ran 10.37 vs 10.57 in 91 in back to back passes.
Love the WELD racing wheels. What rim and tire combos specs are you running in front and back?
The fronts are Weld Ventura 5 Spoke 20x5s, and the rears are Weld RT-S S71 17x10 beadlocks
@@BodsRailRoad what did you go with for drag radials front and back?
@@JeanClaudeBeyondMystic003 I run these in the rear
highhorseperformance.com/mickey-thompson-et-street-r-tire-p305-45r17-3572/
And will be running 17x6 MT Street ET fronts up front once my new wheels are completed.
@@BodsRailRoad I have the wide body som im going to go with 315 in the back. Im still debating on the skinnies in the front. I really want to drive to the track and back home after the race without having to swap front tires. Im not certain i want to do any mileage with skinnies in the front. What is your experience with that?
The skinnies can knock off at least a tenth and as much as 2 tenths off your ET depending on which ones, and are a must if you're serious about getting the most out of your car. I used to drive to my track on my 20" skinnies because I ran small street tires up front. I won't be on the new 17" ones since they will be drag fronts, though street legal they are really thin.
Just FYI guys they Changed Stage 3 kit supposedly will now be based on the Demon 170 even calling it the DC170 kit. 1k+ HP will be E85 as well, but going to be Really expensive because they are changing the heads, head studs, fuel pumps, blower snout, top and bottom pulleys, even adding 2" headers, no eta or cost as of yet but just going by list price of available parts and the 20 hours labor they quote will probably be well over 20k.
Here is a screen grab of kit contents before they deleted it from DC site.
"Genuine: Direct Connection Parts
Product ID: 77072557AA
Description:
Includes Redeye Stage 1 Kit and Stage 2 Kit contents
1300cc injectors
High flow Demon fuel pump
e85 capable
Ported and CNC machined cylinder heads
All gaskets (intake, exhaust, cylinder head, valve cover, spark plug)
Head studs
Colder spark plugs
Hellephant 105mm snout
2.72 supercharger pulley
10% overdrive harmonic balancer
2" primary headers
For 2019+ Challenger Redeye 6.2L vehicles.
Install Time: 20 hours
Warranty: Parts warranty: 24 months UNLIMITED miles, Vehicle warranty: 3 years or 36,000 miles, Powertrain warranty: 5 years or 60,000 miles"
Just got my stage 2 installed by the dealership. Filled it up with racing gas..activated HO mode and it still staying 837. Did you ever find out why it's not registering 885 on the uconnect screen?
It's a known bug, they are working on software fix. Also Be careful, HO mode will engage without Race gas in the tank if you activate it and it will damage your engine, also a known bug and they're working on that as well.
How much that stage cost you $ ??
Was $3700 plus $ 250 tax.
Considering doing this for my 2019 redeye, so now that time has gone by any update? Any problems? Would you do it again? Was the software issue resolved? Thank you.
Have been running it for almost a year, without issue, had a dozen or so passes at MIR on Sunday ran ten 9.9s with a couple of 10.0s, temps never above 190, car ran smooth even hot lapped the last 3 at the end of the day, 9.9, 9.9, 9.9 😁. As for software they did fix the HP number for Non HO mode shows 837 now, but still No 885 in HO mode. The car runs great on 100octane in HO mode, but a little slower in non HO. Would definitely do it again all things considered, but that's very dependent on who the dealer is and if they'll stand by their work ECT. In your case with it being a 19 and almost out of warranty imo you'd be better served going with a reputable tuner as you get more bang for you buck and your warranty is almost expired anyway, also keep in mind the extended warranties will not cover Stage 2 failures resulting from it. Hope that answers your questions if not feel free to ask again.
Thanks
What’s the affect on MPG in daily driving?
Just Fyi folks they added a Transmission tune to the Stage kit, here's a quick install video, will have data logs and results this weekend.
ruclips.net/video/YI81KvyAXr8/видео.html
I Have A Question With This Kit Kan You Use E85 Fuel?
No, strictly pump gas for non HO mode and Race gas (100 octane and up) for HO mode.
Question does anybody knows here if you can use 100% 91 or E85 pump gas for the Direct Connection Stages’s 1, 2, and 3 to take advantage of the new improve horsepower or you need to run race gas in order to take advantage of the new horsepower?
No e85….to unlock 885 just use 100 unleaded race gas I use 105 Sunoco evo 10 race gas make sure it’s unleaded
@dawkoo hi how do you buy your race gas in 5 gallon cans?
I'm thinking of getting a 55 gallon drum for home but not sure if that is a wise move.
@@nyplantings2420 yes 5 gallon cans on Sunoco website
Hey boss i have a question what tire size your running 315/55/17 or 315/50/17?
Hi, I run 2 different sizes depending on whether I'm bracket racing or going for quickest ET. I run 305/45/18 on Weld Laguna's when bracket racing, and 305/45/17 on Weld RTS S71's when going for quickest ET times.
@BodsRailRoad oh I see well I appreciate it boss I was thinking of ordering me some 17 welds but wanted to see if I get 315/50/17 or I have to get 305 instead then we'll thanks I appreciate it
The 315s can be made to fit but it takes modifying the inner fender wells quite a bit by beating them flat where the rib weld is and then trimming the liner for clearance.
If you looking for an awesome set of wheels, I'm selling my lightweight Forged welds at a great price, with or without the Micky's, lmk and we'll see if we can work something out.
Here's my Wheels and tires on craigslist
delaware.craigslist.org/wto/d/middletown-for-sale-weld-racing-forged/7733507038.html
Was the stage 2 on pump gas faster than the stock tune? Any dyno results?
It was marginal at best. Best time on Stage 2 91+ was 10.269 at 134 which was slower than my before times in like weather (the 10.2 slips in video) so we didn't bother I would say 700 whp at best. Looks like they pulled a lot of timing on 91 tune, it showed only avg of 12' advance vs up to 18' on race gas tune.
@Bodsrailroad great review buddy...
So would you recommend it as worth the money if the intention is to drive 99% times on pump gas - 93 octane?
Worth the money?
My powerbroker said they are having issues removing the pulley out of the snout and replacing the whole snout ($6k but under warranty)
@@HotRodsDFW Your PB guy needs to buy the Metco Pulley tool to pull that pulley.
If you're not going to be using the race gas tune it's not worth it. It says 837 on 91+ tune but I didn't notice any increase in performance with HO mode turned off, it may be a slight increase but definitely not worth 4k.
But if you're not using it because you daily drive the car and only use it at the track, and go racing with some frequency then yes it is.
@@BodsRailRoad Thanks a ton for the detailed reply boss!
This certainly helps a lot!
To be honest, would have been 100% on the time on pump gas - it's a fun fast weekend car for me --
Got others like a 2022 Shelby GT500 Carbon, ZL1 1LE and a C7 Z06/Z07 for track duty.
It was exactly what you pointed -- seeing that 837hp in Uconnect (feel good) - but was also expecting to feel those extra 40HPs in the highway pulls like car pulling harder. more responsive etc - but if those aren't noticeable, or super marginal, I gotta really think again.
I may go from a 2.62 diff to 3.09 instead then!
Its so hard to find a non biased viewpoint as people are always super excited for any new mod and will tell you how amazing it feels in every way :(
What's your tires setup?
20.5 weld Ventura 5 spoke with 175/55/20 Briddgestones up front, and Weld S71 17x10 Beadlocks with MT 305/45/17 ETRs on rear.
The 21+ Red-eyes have the larger front rotors now and so far the only "Skinny" wheel that fits are the Weld 20x5s, they have several styles to choose from but they are on the heavy side, 25.5 lbs, for a skinny.
So how is your stage 2 kit working out so far?
Have 1200 miles on it so far, 90% of it on the track in HO mode, and have had zero issues so far. Car runs much cooler and in HO mode am down to 9.85 at 139mph in the 1/4 (with front 4 piston brake conversion and 17x4 Billet specialties wheels)
That’s awesome! They couldn’t figure out what the issue was with the pulley not engaging so they put the stock pulley back on and gave me a full refund yet left the tune in so my car still runs cooler and has HO mode for free! If I could find someone who knows how to do a pulley swap correctly I I would still like the have the DC pulley put back on.
It sure is sad to see Dodge failing us Scat Pack owners by lacking DC parts and upgrades. A real damn shame man.
Don't worry they will get to it, certification stuff taking longer than expected, and they doing the Hellcats first it looks like.
I just had my Direct Connection Stage 2 kit installed last Monday and all of a sudden today when I went to drive it my supercharger isn’t putting out any boost like it has been completely disabled.
Sounds like your pulley is not engaging, assuming of course your belt hasn't come off. I would definitely call your PB asap.
First thing Monday morning.
@@markfields7597did your issue get fix what happen?
So they replaced the whole supercharger with a new stage 2 pulley and 20 miles down the road it did it again. This time they do believe it’s the pulley but 2 in a row? They’ve been going back and forth with direct connection engineers and they are going to put the stock pulley back on and detune it back to prestage and see what happens.
They are probably installing the pulley wrong. If the Supercharger was damaged they probably didn't use the Metco tool when removing the old one and it was probably installed with an impact. This pulley has been around since 2019 and performed well.
Have you tested your 0 to 60 time with the stage 2?
It's about 1.95 seconds 0-60 based on a 6.42 @ 109 mph 1/8th mile time according to Wallace racing calculator
www.wallaceracing.com/0-60_equation.php
Did that software glitch ever get fixed so you can activate high octane mode on the main screen as well as the tuner?
@@markfields7597No not yet.
stage 2 is great but u shouda waited for the stage 3 cuz itlll have 900+ hp
Not really worth it in my case. My car is a Red-eye and with stage 2 it's at 885hp for $4k all in. Stage 3 kit is listed at $10k. It's a 3L blower and on the 426ci Hellaphant engine it comes from makes 1k HP. On the 6.2L (378ci) Red-eye engine it will probably make around 925ish Hp. So another 40-50HP is not worth $10,000.
@@BodsRailRoad oh damn. I also have a redeye and am interested in installing a direct connection kit. how did you find out the price for stage 3 and also I thought stage 3 didnt come out yet.
@@abdurraheembaban5879Parts Manager found it in his system, though nothing is official, it was on the DC site for a couple of days, but has since been removed.
alr thank you so much for your replies it really makes everything clear ☺
@@abdurraheembaban5879keep in mind that the 10k doesn't include Pre stage kit and labor which will bring the total to about 14k from fresh install, and and additional 12k or so extra if you have pre stage and any of the other stage kits already installed. For a red-eye imo it's not worth the extra cost, since red-eye already has a 2.7L blower.