340hp Morgan Plus 6 Review - A proper handful but where do I sign ?! [Part 2 of 2]
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- In part one of this two part Morgan special I drove the manual Plus Four, now its time to experience the more powerful Plus Six. The Plus Six is powered by a BMW 3 litre turbocharged straight six engine coupled to an 8 speed ZF automatic gearbox. That provides dramatic performance with no driver aids, its just you and the car ! Strap in and hold on tight as we take this smile generator into the Malvern Hills and put it through it's paces.
Famous the world over for its unique blend of craft, heritage and pure driving experience, the Morgan Motor Company has been manufacturing quintessentially British vehicles in Malvern, UK, for more than 110 years.
Passed down through generations, the same craftsmanship skills that were integral during the founding of the Morgan Motor Company in 1909 are as alive today as they have ever been.
The company was established in 1909 by H.F.S Morgan with the design of the now iconic Morgan Three Wheeler. This was followed, in 1936, by the Morgan 4-4, based on the Morgan steel chassis. This chassis was produced until 2020, making it the longest running production car architecture in the world.
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I'm delighted with my new Plus Four. Wouldn't trust myself in a Plus Six. I think to drive one of those safely you need to be properly trained to handle such a car. 0 - 60 mph in 5 seconds is more than enough for me. The thing I love most is the reactions from other people, and the mutual waves exchanged with other Morgan drivers. Getting my own Morgan was my dream come true.
Congrats Stuart. They are very special cars 👌
loved your report,i owned an old plus 8 which sadly i sold,ilove morgans but couldnt afford another so brought a bmw 240i with the b58 engine for a third of the cost of the plus 6,its a serious piece of kit especially in the wet,if i had a choice i would buy a plus 4,my time in the bmw with all the handling gizmos can get a bit edgy to say the least a +6 without the handling tech would bring my blood pressure up to its limit
Think I'll stick with the Plus 4 like I said in the last video. For me, I'd be able to use more of the power, more of the time and still stay reasonably legal. It also fits in better with the drive down to the south of France, never going near a motorway, taking your time thing I'd want to do with a Morgan. As for having it as an auto, no, not for me.
Great car, I'm sure but not for me.
I agree it's the wrong car for an auto. And if you do end up wanting more power from the 4, I'm sure you can get way more than 300bhp from a tune.
Agree John; I have a 2006 Plus 4 and using the gears is part of the fun; and that BMW auto change thingy! Groan. Michael
I own a new Plus Four and was advised not to purchase the Plus Six. . My previous car was a Ferrari F430 Spider, yet the Plus Four is fast enough for me. I also prefer the 8 speed auto; faster and yet more economical. Horses for courses. But I will keep my Morgan for some time and naturally paid for it with my own money. Unlike motoring journos :) I do however agree that the rev counter should be in front of the driver, but there is insufficient room for it.
Having owned a Plus 4 and now a PlusSix I am delighted to say that I too appreciate the difference. Whilst both are beautiful cars the PlusSix has that extra presence the wider body and wings bring, never mind the awesome performance. The driving experience is just thrilling, roll on some better weather for more hood down days out.
So I prefer the blue one to be honest the more old school wheels and enough power to just go for a nice cruise with my wife and be comfortable enough to give her the keys to drive as well. That old classic charm is so front and center and I love it. Great reviews Sir Pete! Very much enjoyed these Morgan car reviews
Yep the ‘would the Mrs like driving it’ test is always a good benchmark 👌👍
I think there have been some mods to the plus6 to calm it down a bit. I bought a Plus Four and am delighted with it - it has enough power for me , and the auto box I find brilliant. The plus six I drove - in 2020 - frankly scared me on a damp road, and I think I would not be as relaxed as I am in the plus four. Both great cars - I am more than happy with my choice.
Nice 👌
Great reviews. Seriously considering a new Morgan. Manual with wires for me and the narrow body is ideal for the Dorset country lanes where I live.
Thanks for another great video. Having watched both, I lean towards the Four. I wouldn't rule out having paddle shifters, but it's surprising not to have them aligned with the steering wheel. I've never driven a car configured like that, but I'd think that shifting mid-turn would be awkward.
As a sports car guy from way back (TR4, Sprite), I'm so glad Morgan is still building these cars and so wish I could indulge.
BTW, that parking lot you were in would make a wonderful weekend "cars and coffee" spot. ;)
I will be adding links to this and the PLUS FOUR video to the next Thames Valley Morgan Club's newsletter.
That would be amazing. Thank you so much 🙏🏻
The difference in width between the Plus 4 and Plus 6 is a little bit more than 15-16 mm, it's 106 mm, 1650 vs. 1765 mm.
Definitely a Plus4 for me - the Plus 6 would be too much like my wife's BMW. I have a four cylinder older Morgan and it is plenty fast enough. I would be interested to hear your views on the Plus 8 if you can blag one from someone. Good vid.
It’s really difficult to form an opinion without driving them personally, but your videos give a great impression of the pros and cons of both. My view may change if I drove them, but I must admit that I’m leaving towards the 4. My current car has a B58 and it’s a superb engine, but I find it’s often a little too much power to really exploit on the open road. In a lighter car I just feel that it would be too much. I would also want a manual and the flappy paddles and BMW drive selector are a turn off in the 6. Both lovely cars though and to be honest I’d love either in the garage for a Sunday blast!
spot on ,me to
I cannot imagine the excitement of ordering and speccing either of these two beautiful Morgan's and then waiting for the big day, sleepless nights I reckon.
Oh I know. I’d be visiting the factory on a daily basis during the one month build time 😂
I have a MY22 Plus Four auto which is superb. I previously had a Plus 4 (2 litre Duratec) and then a Roadster (3.7 litre Mustang V6). The Roadster had an Aero Racing ECU and produced over 300bhp but the Plus Four is faster. I think it's a pity that you didn't try the auto as it is so much better than the manual. It has about 50 more torques than a manual and pulls like a train especially in Sport+. I have also had a decent drive of a Plus 6 and it definitely has it for comfort and ride. I loved it. However for the traditional looks it has to be a Plus Four.
Great videos. I’m picking up my new plus four next week. I opted for the auto box as the roads are so busy where we live. I figure the power will be plenty enough for me to drive to a pub but I can see the appeal of the plus six if you like things a bit scarey! One of the best bits is specking out your own design, but you don’t even have to buy one to do that!
I’m looking forward to checking out your other reviews.
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I am sure this car is very capable, but is it really all that much fun, i.e. apart from the kind you get in a Mustang? Right, it has a LOT of “poke,” but given that Morgans don’t handle amazingly well, what is left, for over $100K? See I prefer a manual, and it’s hard to spend what I’d normally spend on 2 or 3 cars on anything else! Yes, I’m sure this car is fun to drive, but given a choice, would I chose it? I would not. If I wanted a Morgan, and I do, it would be a +8, with a manual transmission. It’s wouldn’t be a BMW, but THAT must be the whole point (Instead, it would be an Oldsmobile)!
I've a 70th Anniversary model 4/4 with a Duratec engine as well as older Plus 4's ('57 and '63). All great. For me the traditional chassis car with an engine around 2 litres is just right. More power isn't needed and may cause you to come a cropper. Some people are buying the new hyper cars without the skills required to control them in poor conditions. Meantime, my very first car was a Ford engined F-type Morgan three wheeler too which you used to be able to drive at 16. I've driven them for - ouch - 50 years! I'd go with a Duratec 1.8 or 2 litre car, or the great TR engine or Crossflow in an earlier car, either on twin 40 DCOE carbs (which sound great too).
Did you want to check my 1993 Holden statesman
Just stunning! Again, there’s something so very special with Morgan cars, and this really made my day. Thanks Peter 👍
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
It is a special car. I wish they had chosen a British engine rather than BMW
This car could have had a BMW drivetrain, WITH a manual transmission. There are some still available in the US, and I believe many more in Europe. Why not choose one of those?
😂 I don’t know should i buy it? My dad wants to change our BMW to plus six but its probably too fast our car is very normal and enough for us.
The fact that you'd want more than 250hp in the Plus4 shows that you think the chassis was capable of more which is a good thing but for me I think we've lost a grip on reality when someone says 250hp in a 1000kg classic car is not enough for British roads. Personally I would like to try the 150hp non turbo version and change my attitude to the way I drive the car that I have in front of me (which is a classic beauty).
I'd take neither.....I'd go for what appears to be a Plus 8 GTR in yas marina blue in the greenhouse behind......😁
Well spotted 👌👍
First! Evening all! Hope everyone has had good week.
Good evening Francois. A bit battered after stacking my road bike early this morning, so not a great start. Things (I’m hoping) can only get better though 👍
Hi 👋
Guys answer this question are you going to buy a EV Morgan after 2030 as there will be no ICE Morgans????
I'd get a plus 4 and if it needed more performance further down the line, I'd take it to good BMW tuner ... a Morgan needs three pedals and that BMW auto shifter is just too wrong in the car ... I also think the Plus 4 looks better as it's a more cohesive design.
For me, I think I'd ideally want the Plus 4 with the manual, but with the 6cyl engine from the Plus 6. As they don't offer that, I think I'd still opt for the Plus 4, and if I wanted more power, I'd have it tuned.
cmon, people are pushing these b58s, they are throw the fastest street cars now, 800hp on stock engine and box
I'd be happy with a PlusZero. No engine whatsoever, just sitting in the drive while I looked at it all day
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I'd prefer the Plus 4 as I don't do track days and I think for the roads up here in Scotland it's got more than enough power. With the difference in price between the 4 and 6 I'd in a few thousand and get a MV Augusta Brutale
Great plan 👍
I'd have the plus 4 and get it tuned, so best of both worlds with the manual gearbox and more power, and the look of the 4 just looks like a Morgan should
My thoughts exactly Graham, best of both worlds😎
Well don Ped, great video, delighted to see that you don’t put the plus 6 through a hedge backwards, unlike a lot of new owners! I loved the test drive I did in the plus 6 but at £80k plus, way too rich for my budget. I’ll stick with my plus 8.
What would Vintage Voltage do to either of these cars.
Peter - really enjoy all your videos thank you. I’m undecided between a 992 2s cabriolet and a plus six - what’s your opinion? It will be my retirement treat and it will my main car (wife will also have her car) - thanks in advance 👍😊
If it’s your main car then the 992…no question 👌
Sunday Funday car…Plus Six
@@PetrolPed thank you 👍
Hi Pete - just to let you know I’ve put in an order for a plus six 👍😊😊😊
@@gregvickers3633 😅 of course! 👍
Would be happy with testing either car, but this is where my love of motoring collides with my disability and lifestyle. It is so frustrating when you love cars and motoring, but feel left on the “outside” when you cannot simply jump into a car when you need hand controls and adaptions just for a test drive, and manufacturers are not going to spend money to do so on the off chance of maybe gaining a sale. I guess this is something that is not going to change in my remaining years either.
Awesome car, real fun drive.
Oh yes 👍
And all the electronic problems like all newer cars.
Always loved the Morgan, but wouldn't be able to shoehorn myself in with a hardtop, if in a carpark :) Was bad enough in my early 20's with a MG BGT.
Awesome review. I've been fortunate enough to both visit the Morgan factory and drive one of their beautiful cars... Deffo want one for the weekends I'm not out in the VW campervan. 👍
As long as it has b58 I’ll love it hahah. I own a 340i
Flappy Paddle shift ...oh dear! 😵
Great video Pete I’d have the 4 but definitely with the spare wheel on the back 👍
What a treat it was to have an opportunity to drive not one, but two Morgans on a very same day!!! I'd love to buy the one with a manual gear shifter. The automatic lacks in character in a stylish vintage cockpit. Thank you very much for your 2 Morgan films.
My pleasure 👍
Surprised that manual isn’t an option. Also surprised at the quality and position of the auto’s paddles. Lovely looking cars of course, and the hard top certainly adds another layer of practicality. I can’t help but think the plus 6 is a rather confused car. If you are going to take away the heritage looks ( hand finished wooden interiors, wire wheels) and driver experience by making the vehicle auto only then why not add the safety of traction control, stability control ,etc. for our lovely British winters or when you simply do not wish to be running at ten tenths (especially as these can be turned off should the driver wish to do so).
And as for the price …..
You and me both!
Great two part video! I would most definitely choose the Plus Six. You mentioned the price of how much it would cost to have a Plus Four monthly, but what about the Plus Six? I’m not sure if you mentioned it, but how much would it cost to have a Plus Six monthly?
A difficult question to answer. Depends on the spec you choose, size of deposit, PCP or HP and length of term. Quite a bit more 😬
I think I'd have to go with the plus four at first. I'm itching to own another manual car, and I probably couldn't forgive myself if I got my Morgan in an auto. Plus, I'd look forward to ringing the car out to its limit without having to go on a track. I own two BMWs at the moment, both with the B58 engine, and it's properly quick for a 4cyl, so I bet it's plenty powerful in a car that small. These cars make me smile more than any other car I can think of. I was able to visit the factory with my school about ten years ago now, and it's wonderful that they've made such updates (the CX platform) while still keeping all of that heritage. I live out in California now, so it's a bit of a wait to get these new cars out here, but my name will definitely be at the top of the list.
That engine in my G20 M340i xDrive is pretty epic. I should imagine in the Morgan, shorn of around half a tonne, it probably just morphs from over here to over there, which is how I described the old Plus 8s years ago.
I really like the idea of an Elise for spirited drives, a Plus 6 for touring / Sunday pub lunch runs and a Caterham 620R for the track.
I like your thinking 👌
Personally I would go for the +4 , The manual gearbox with the classic looks of a Morgan.If you wanted more power you could probably remap or tune the engine ? Cheers Jim
The air exits on the bonnet are NOT "air intakes"
That’s a Fort Wlliam to Applecross on a blue sky day kind of dream Car. Have some lunch and back. 😁👍
Oh yes 🙌
The 6 absolutely with the same engine I have in my m140. Epic !! 👍👍
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Two awesome videos for the price of one Ped!
Loved the back story and the perfect amount of B-roll on the company. Thank goodness they saved the ‘wonky’ jig! Lovely factoid for the pub that…
Incongruous gear stick aside*, I’m with you. The 6 knocks it out of the park for me.
*it could have been worse. It could have been the crystal maze nonsense from the M8…
That wouldn’t be good 😣
Great video as always Peter. I’ll change my mind, when are you putting your order in for this one then. Amazed how easy it was to get in and out of the car with the roof on.
I've owned a 2014 Plus 8 since it was new. Now, 45,000 wonderful and trouble free miles on as I turn 70 I want to go back to a slightly simpler life. I've driven both the Plus 4 and the Plus 6. I think a manual Plus 4 beckons.
The awesome BMW B58 in an awesome Morgan! What's not to like. Loved that engine in my M140i!
I so enjoyed you review of each Morgan, I currently own two BMW's a 2022 X3 and a 2023 BMW M235i. I started to order a BMW M3 Competition xDrive Sedan. I 5'8 and so enjoy driving cars that are a bit smaller than the M3, after driving a M235i I knew that was the car for me and needless to say I do enjoy driving the car. Sadly I just discovered that the Plus 6 in not available in the US, that's likely a good thing, my wife also loves to drive my M235i.
I love manual gearbox until I hit traffic; it's a painful experience
Good exercise for you ankles and legs 😂
Interesting that you would pick the Plus 6, as the happiness quotient seemed much more evident in the Plus 4. As they say, power corrupts, but as our weather proved, it's difficult to enjoy when it gets a bit damp! Great pair of back-to-back reviews, though.
I test drove a manual plus 4, and was pleasantly surprised, having owned a couple of Aero 8s that weren’t great. The salesman mentioned that several plus 6’s had been through the hedge backwards due to a combination of no traction control and a gearbox which in sport mode is inclined to drop 3 gears, spin the rear wheels and swap ends!
I think it may be a proper handful , I have the same engine gearbox combo in my m140 , no way would i turn the traction off in the wet !
Even with it on , the back end has came out on me 😂
He gets it. Morgans are for life & he has the bug. The Plus Four auto is amazing and sits between the mad Plus Six & the manual Plus Four.
Thanks 👍
Fab review. Two lovely cars. I agree with Ped's conclusion. I own a Z4 M40 which has the same B58 engine. Superb unit in any car and must really transform the driving experience in a Morgan. Where would you put the schnauzers?
Stop it______ stop it. Morgan showroom just 30 miles from me
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I'd have the Plus 4, just looks more Classic in my opinion. Also PP you certainly had no trouble getting out of Plus 6. Another 2 great video's on the 2 Morgan's. 👍
Thanks 👍
Another great video 👍
I just thought about why I enjoy your videos. Some keywords: Slow pace (or not high pitched), well produced, enthusiasm, genuine, respectful, likable.
Well done 💪
Another great great vid Mr P. Shame no manual ......Or are you going to be doing a new video next week showing a few that were made but kept hush hush...? I get the impression you will see what can go to be able to accommodate one....I would pick the 6
Regarding the wheel jig: we asked what happens when that jig finally fails. They have a new backup jig waiting (likely based on the laser scans you were referring to)
The Mini JCW has a 300 bhp version of the BMW B48 which sounds like an ideal in between ;)
For the minuscule price difference, it's a no-brainer, and for the same exact reasons this mate stated: In a month or two, one will yearn for more power.
Hi Ped
I knew after Part 1 you were hooked😉 Before starting to watch this evening, my bet was you would choose the Plus 6 despite the auto box. Who said power corrupts. As I mentioned earlier you ought to go for it and order your new second car, but maybe you are too attached to Ruby Roadster. If TG was not sure you sell the idea on minimal depreciation. Having enjoyed my Plus 8 over many years (old tec chassis & Rover V 8 , had to go one better with Aero 8, bonded Ali chassis & BMW V8 376bhp plus manual box.😘😘 As always treat with respect in adverse conditions. You must have a Morgan in your life, but do not leave it too late, otherwise you will be looking at a further step up in build quality, use ability and practicality in sports car guise as a daily - Porsche Carrera. Needless to say my Morgan friends were disappointed when I left the family.😥
It is tempting 😜😂
I think I actually prefer the slightly more classic looks of the Plus Four. I’d have the interior a bit more classic too and less silver/grey with a walnut dash perhaps. And you’re right it does need the spare wheel on the back as it looks slightly odd. It’s a shame we couldn’t see under the bonnet and see a few drive by shots this time though. It would have looked good with that invisible selfie stick thingy.
I live a minute walk from the factory and my dream is to own one of these cars. I love watching people drive down my road in them! I doubt I'll ever afford one though
I've never driven a Morgan but this video really captures why I need to. If only I could afford one. Thank you 👍
Not sure if I’m pleased to see how up to date they are, or disappointed that they aren’t really old school. A bit uncomfortable on this fence!!! 🤔
I wonder how many +6's will end up in the body repair shop... It's the +4 for me!
I’ve done the factory tour twice - magic! Hopefully I will hire one in the not too distant future, but your video has given me a taster, so thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
I like the idea of the big straight six with it’s torque, but for my driving style these days, I’d take the four.
Thanks for review
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Pete. Just seen this very car at Caffeine and Machine which Petrolhead Tours had for the weekend
Very tempted with the Plus Six…and surprised how easy you made it look getting in it with the hard top on!
So was I 😂
Two great cars.
I did the factory tour a few years ago and one of the guides said that if he was ordering a car (not the 3 wheeler) he'd have the alloys because the wire wheels look great, but they flex and as you say Pete, the wires are a pain to clean.
I'd have either, but like you, I think if I got the 4, I'd want a 6....
Nice review
Thanks 👍
Not a problem for me as I have staff to clean my wires etc
Get your order in :)
+6 for me all day long it looks great with the hard top. How much do kidneys go for on ebay these days. 😅
Plus Four for me! I consider the Plus Six too scary for me. Quit understand why the factory added ESP to both, especially the Plus Six. Consider swiping my 4/4 for a Plus Four!
It's so quiet inside. My 4/4 from 81 is so loud when the roof is up 😅
You know I love a Morgan & that was another cracking video.
I’m totally with you… I thought I’d go for the Plus4, as the idea of hooning around in a Morgan seemed quite observed….
But how cool would you look & feel, taking a Morgan on a track day, against a backdrop of the normal toys people bring.
The underlying beauty is, you don’t even need to drive that fast, just enjoy the experience & pleasure.
Now go buy yourself a treat…. Mrs P won’t mind 😂❤️
I’d love to track one 👌
I am sure the plus 6 is now available with a proper gearbox, the thought of driving this car with a paddle change is not something I would look forward to, I would constantly be wondering if it would stop working properly, especially as it is a product from BMW, I thought they also offered this with the V8 engine.
What an awesome looking car. Has the look of a custom car... Love it. Thanks for bringing these to the channel. It's been an education for me to learn about Morgans. Cheers Pedro.
Cheers Dan. It’s a tough job but someone has to do it 😂
16:12 Morgan should consider to purchase the manual gear box from GR Supra!
16 or 18 MILLIMETRES wider?!! Surely he means 16 - 18 cm wider.
I love them both but would probably chose the Plus four with a manual gearbox. But I just re watched the 300bhp Abingdon MGB Video done in 2019 and your smile in that car seems a lot bigger, I love the shape of the Morgan but I wonder if the MGB is a better drive. You certainly seem to enjoy them all so no loser among the three but would love another Abingdon MGB Video if possible.
Looks lovely and another great video, but personally I don’t like the bmw gearshift in a car of this character. Showing my age but sounds a bit flat with the turbo,d engine, maybe my tablet speaker is not doing it justice!
Tickle the throttle ha ha , bit greasy out there for you . It looks great ,shame it’s damp out . 👍
Got to be the 6 for me 😊
The second car I totally agree more power and it looks awesome too great video 👍👍👍💪😎
Lovely, but that gearbox is heresy. A car like that should always be a manual. Maybe sequential, but certainly not automatic.
Thanks for the short clip of the manufacturing process Pete. Tradition lives on! Think the plus 4 with manual box would be plenty enough for me and probably more powerful than the first plus 8. If only I could afford a £60k weekend toy! 👍
You won't get one for £60K; not even used.
I have the same problem 😬
Always love your reviews, plus 4 for me, think it’s got enough grunt for a tour and the manual trans sells it. Anyone know how small a bag you can fit behind the seats
Excellent reviews, thanks. I have owned 4 Morgans so far, none recently, but two classic 4/4 and two +8. I much preferred the Rover V8 3.5 and 3.9 Plus 8,; was for me a far more natural fast sporting and touring car and enjoyed the 'give it some welly' speed .. have had many classic sportscar 2 seaters including every model the Panther Car company made. I drove my Morgans all year round in all weathers but also owned several classic TVR along side them so swapped between those and two different Porsche.
This year after some many years in SUV and other more 'mundane' vehicles it was time for me to go back to the factory and did another tour. In the past I watched the build of one of my Morgan Plus 8 which was fascinating. I rarely if ever would drive a Morgan with the roof up, and never owned a hardtop. After my drives this year in Malvern it's clear that I agree with you that the Plus 6 is the one to order but I also found the Plus 4 to be a fabulous driver's car and the exhaust pops and notes are wonderful. Like you, I need the extra 'ooomph' and the acceleration thrill.
Of course prices have escalated since my last ownership and my current personal spec was quoted at about £110,000 (many extras) for a Plus 6 so they are 'serious money' now. Nothing beats the feel and 'gentleman style' of these classic motor vehicles; you cannot drive one without experiencing proper 'motoring' not just A-B travel as in mass produced transit cars. I narrowly missed out on buying one of the last Morgan Aero cars when I was there and ideally I'd get one of those convertibles if they still made them as I love the blend of classic 1930s and futuristic that these embodied, but I am not keen on buying pre-used cars and prefer the feel, smell and exclusivity of a tailor made new car on delivery day.
That leather is wonderful but I'm sticking to the classic wood dash and accessories not the body colour. I also miss the chrome bumpers and think the front and especially the rear looks 'unfinished' without them and without a spare wheel on the back instead of that vacant looking grilled surface. Unlike you, I prefer spoked chrome or body coloured wheels not the modern alloys.
Enjoy the new car. It sounds like it going to be very special 👍
very nice video,on my favorite cars
Glad you liked it
Plus4 please