This makes me feel really good about buying the gen 3 combo during the OPT flash sale. I was afraid that I might regret not going with the newest generation. I think the only think I missed out on was 3 lights and spending a lot of extra money. Plus I got a free bare Sawzall and pack out box. Niiiice.
Makes me feel good too. I bought two Gen 3 kits with the Home Depot deals lately. I’ll save my $400 to finish 1/10th of a second faster and running 10-15 degrees hotter.
Definitely getting the Gen 4. Milwaukee Fuel Gen 3 impact driver hands down my favorite. I’m hoping in the near future we see a Gen 2 m18 surge. That would be awesome. Thanks for the testing fellas. Really appreciate the comparisons so quick. Everyone has been waiting for this
@@praetorianstride5948 I'm pretty sure M12 is a generation behind. The new release was the 3rd gen. While m18 is on gen 4. Just letting you know you might be waiting a while if you want the m12 gen 4. Personally I want to see the gen 2 surge in m12 and m18. Hydraulic drivers are very nice but also much slower. A speed increase would be appreciated
Just picked up a new impact because my first gen just died, the store didn't have the Gen 4 so I got the Gen 3 and watching that review, I'm real glad I did get the Gen 3. Thanks for your solid review!
Well after searching all night for black friday sales i couldnt decide what to get. I was going to buy the standard brushless kit but the drill and impact lacked a bit compared to the gen 4 fuel. After failing to build the kit i truly wanted with all the "free" tools. $400 for the kit plus a router/jigsaw just wasnt what i was after. Found milwaukee is selling gen 3 fuel kits for $280 which i didnt even realize the difference till now. Saved $120 for a more than capable kit and in my view outperformed the gen 4 in alot of test. However them lights are way nicer on gen 4. But at the end of the day i have a nice kit and my $120 can go towards the bare tool i want. Great review.
Great comparison video, I just like the way you guys do this. You make it interesting and fun to watch, with actual facts and real world usage that we can see. Well done Vince, keep up the good work 👍👍
I dont think there is enough in the Gen 4 to get me to “upgrade” from my gen 3.5! However, I am VERY curious how it stacks up against the Flex!!!!! Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos Vince…great entertainment value and informative! Cheers!
Im a Milwaukee Fanboy but definitely not opposed to using other brands. Ive just been in the ecosystem for over 10 year and have never had any major issues. I do take extremely good care of my tools by using them correctly. I rarely use an impact to drill holes or a drill to drive screws. I make use of mid torque for medium duty and high torque for heavy as to not over work my tools
@@PrussianBlu3 He says he rarely uses an impact to drill holes or a drill to drive screws. That means he normally drills holes with a drill and he drives screws with an impact.
Hello again Vince and Vcg Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I think, I will stay with M12 for now. It does everything I need!!!!! I enjoy watching. Again thank you
I'm wondering if the tail of the two will be revealed if you swap out the xc5.0 for for some H.O. batteries, I got a hunch that the technology in the Gen 4 allows it to take better advantage of them 21700 cells. Maybe even already programmed to take better advantage of pouch cells with better efficiency who knows, the gen 3 M12 are programmed to take advantage of the new HO batteries, maybe same technology is in the M18. I'd like to see this test ran again with some newer battery technology. 🤞🤞
I don’t think the newer generations are necessarily “programmed” to take more advantage of higher output batteries. I think that the “red link” or “red lithium advantage” in every Milwaukee tool allows the chip in the tool to see what the peak amperage it can consistently draw under load. I say this because with both the M12 and M18 high output batteries they advertised 20% more power in tools that had been released years ago.
I’m sure the newer generations are created with higher output in mind, not that the previous weren’t- but that the chips onboard are more efficient than the PCBs of 4-7 years ago,
Gonna upgrade from M18 non-Fuel Brushless impact driver. Served me well in the last 3 years, but now it's time to get more power. Was gonna get the Gen 3, but after seeing this, the Gen 4 is basically a Gen 3 with slightly faster RPM and IPM and a tri-LED light.
I’ve got gen 3 and think I will skip, not because there is minimal difference but my gen 3 is way too new to switch. I love it and will run it till it’s dead. Now if I needed to replace it, I’ll go gen 4, why wouldn’t I?
Maybe not a big upgrade in performance but the new lights are nice to have. Plus I'm sure they spent a lot of time trying to solve the trigger issues. Probably just an all around better tool not just performance upgrade. Me personally I'll be waiting on the new M12 stuff to upgrade to from current gen!
I love the m12. I don’t need much more other than tearing through brick, (which is often) which it can do but it takes more time. I love the tri-leds. That is a huge selling point for me.
Thanks for the tool test. I love my Milwaukee tools. I liked the side by side comparison even though half the video it was difficult to see who had the 3 and who had the 4. Overall I would say if you have the 3, there's not enough difference to "upgrade" to the new model. Just the information I needed. Thank you.
They were already pushing on the higher end with gen3 it makes sense that barely anything changed. My 5 year old dewalt still does everything, I just got the gen3 for heavier applications.
I’ve bought 2 gen 4 impacts both broke in the same way, something was making the “impact mode” stay on even when just pulling the trigger and not screwing/drilling anything. I usually try to inspect all toys I own or anything for that matter to fix it myself cause I’m a cheap ass but I was really but hurt when I bought 2 of these gen 4’s totally in love with it just to be out 300$ in the same year
M24 seem not to be a bad idea thought. But the 18v its nice because when using smaller tool like impact etc the batteries are not huge . The 40v makita for instance its very great line of tool but the 40v need 2p batterie wich i don't like that much . Its why i think 18v its the best
@@OUTILSCLIPSQC 18v is 20v, it's just a different reading of the voltage. 18/20v = 5s which is 5 cells in series, packs are available in 5x1 5x2 and 5x3 A 24v would be 6s or 6 cells in series, so packs would only be very slightly larger.
I replayed the video and the Gen 4 had more vibration (6:00- & 7:25-minute marks) and ran hotter than the Gen 3. Heat is what kills equipment, both electrical & mechanical. Add vibration to heat and the life-span diminishes ever more rapidly (ask any Reliability Engineer, like me). Based on this sample of one, each, the Gen 3 will last longer than the Gen 4.
That's a tough one... The lights are better on gen 4 but if you're using your driver all day that vibration is going to kill you. Unless you work in a dark place it seems the gen 3 with less user fatigue is a no brainer choice
I have the gen 3 and decided to get the gen 4. Returned it after a few days of using it. I personally don’t feel no difference other than the light. I’m more than fine with my gen 3, and I do a bunch of cabinet work, building decks, framing where you need to use the screws for trusses and other stuff like that and a bunch of other wood working projects. Just didn’t seem like it was really worth the extra money for something new. I’m fine with waiting until a gen 5 comes out. I had the old brushless impact and there was night and day difference between that and the gen 3. I will wait until another drill comes out with a big difference. I know people will buy the gen 4 though because people love throwing money like it’s nothing. I got the hammer drill/impact kit along with 100 piece drill bits and also 23 piece metal drill bits on a deal all for $162 off Home Depot awhile back. Best deal I had seen in a while. Came in a hard case and all
Ridgid fan 1 of my batteries just died went to use the warranty have to take to shop none near me. I was waiting for gen 4 to see how good it's is might just buy gen 3 before they're all gone. Great job 👍
Go Vince! I've, NO We've been waiting for this for a bit! If all they did was fix the Chuck issue and add those lights its enough for me to get it. I love my Gen ll OneKey which I'll probably frame & mount as my most used & valued tool next to my 5-N-1. Yeah Vince, Its the lights!
I, too, bought a Gen 3 (with dual ball bit holder) a few months ago based on VCG's real-world reviews & comparisons. I am a DIY'er that appreciates and uses high-quality, contractor-grade tools. I have four old Dewalt 14.4 drills which still run fine, but was intrigued by the impact drivers, so I bought the Milwaukee M18 Fuel driver for about $90 (driver only). I bought the Milwaukee charger and two (cheap) aftermarket batteries for much less than half the price of Milwaukee batteries. They hold-up just fine for my projects and charge faster than I can discharge them. I turn to VCG for reviews on accessories too. I thought the 30-piece Dewalt impact set was nice until I found the Milwaukee 100-piece set for about twice the price as the Dewalt, but with a much wider variety of bit sizes, types & lengths.
I have Gen3, awesome power tools. No need for extended bit. The Torx itself is enough. When put together it adds more kinetic energy on the tool itself - wear and tear - keep it short and sweet.
So, what I am seeing that the only really difference is lighting and heat? Does the Gen 4 improved lighting add to the heat? The new cost higher on the Gen 4 than you can get a Gen 3? Something to contemplate. Ridgid Ron
I have the gen 3 impact and hammer drill set. I also have the gen 4 set of both. I prefer the gen 4 only because of tri light and being more compact for tighter spaces. I have 2 sets of each gen for my guys on the job site. If you want performance for the buck. Get gen 3. If more compact and the light matters. Get gen 4. It’s minimal on the compactness difference though
Seems like a step down in terms of getting into tighter spaces also, because of the triLED it doesn't really taper and that's a bigger problem than anything else. That heat buildup could also be a concern for longer term durability
@@kyle3045 if they'd incorporated the ¼" socket external shape of the collet that Bosch have, it would be a game changer. As is I don't see it as a replacement for the gen 3 but rather a tool for construction sites where you have good access but poor lighting, adding the easy change to a ¼" socket without an adaptor would be an amazing compact and versatile tool that covers many roles
This is the test I was waiting for Vince. I think I might get those Gen3 tool deals that they are going to be wanting to get rid of to bring in the Gen 4.
@@VCGConstruction just do what you do brother a ttr were gonna have to put it against flex 24v id also like to see some ho batteries in it aswell mabey it needs the high output batteries to get optimal results 😉
I’ve got all m18 fuel tools gen 3 both impact drivers. Oscillating tool, hacksaw, hammer drill and brushed orbital sander, grinder, saws all and fan. It pays to wait to save money. I started with m12 but I wanted more power.
Cool stuff 😎 I think there both top of the line tools. I'm a Metabo Bosch kind of guy, but if I had to pick one. I would go Gen 4 because I like the LED lights on Gen 4. Thanks for the video Vince.
I'd like to see you put the Gen 4 up against the M18 Fuel Surge Impact Driver. I was thinking about getting the Surge for work because it's a little quieter than the basic tool. But if the M18 Fuel Gen 4 beats it out. Just might have to change what I get.
@@johnnyt4654 I am actually thinking of getting the Gen 4 for work. It'll come in really handy when replacing some things on Semi Tractors or Trailers.
@@bbcamillo yeah look up the impact. Comes with a 3.0 for $129 which a decent deal in itself but if you don’t want the 3.0, return it and the impact comes out to about $68.
I don’t currently have a impact driver. I have been watching and May make the move to Milwaukee from Ryobi and see how it goes. My application is self drilling screws into hard metal for wood walls in my metal building. Where is best place to purchase Milwaukee?
Nice comparison vid, and wish Milwaukee at pipeline had this kind of test going on as well as using other brand’s tools. It would be nice if at new tool events, the companies/brands, what have you; ALSO HAD PRIOR GEN of the tools to run and actually compare differences in last gen to new gen; would be cool to see, but not sure anyone has done this. Could be wrong…. Thx Vince and Jimmy, you guys rock (and that slo-mo w/ vibration of gen 4, looked like and sds hitting you😉) Cheers✌🏻
My big question would be, did they fix all the problems that the gen 3 has? I’ve had mine for a year and a half and the collet and auto-stop are both shot.
I have it and I like it, but it is not nearly as powerful as the M18 Fuel. I own both, like them both, if I had to choose one it will definitely be the Milwaukee
The real question is: did they improve the trigger control on delicate fasteners? It already had more than enough power to compete with anything on the market.
@@VCGConstruction cabinet screws when installing kitchens for example. The gen 3's trigger control is kinda difficult to control and ramps up to full bore too quickly in my opinion. I know you shouldn't use an impact driver for really delicate work, but sometimes it happens :p.
Didn’t see too much of a difference besides the lights of course, but I was gonna get the Gen 3 cause I only run the Gen 2 m12 fuel right now, but the Gen 4 looks nice. Thanks for the video Vince!
@@VCGConstruction is there an actually release date for the Gen 4 impact or is it just sometime in August? I’d love to get my hands on it. My Gen 2 M12 fuel is very nice as an electrician’s apprentice, but sometimes it isn’t as strong as I’d like, and that new impact would help out a lot.
What's the probability of getting a Gen 3 vs Gen 3.5 buying off the shelf? Are the single bearing collet drivers still out in the wild? Can I buy confidently upon the assumption that I'll be receiving the 2 ball collet?
Thanks for the tool test Vince. Jimmy looking good hope you're doing good. Not too excited about Gen 4. The improved collet and Tri Lights with 100 more impacts per minute should have been on Gen 3. I'll stick with my single LED, less than great collet, and intermittent dead trigger for a bit longer.
I have been using the gen3 for a few years and it's great, the only thing I dislike is progressive control/feel. I find it can be too over powered for day to day tasks as it ends up wanting to spin out, or bust bits over and over again. As where I find makitas impact works great for everyday use with progressive feel but the power isn't there. So I was hoping to see if the gen4 had a more progressive feel rather than focusing on power and speed
I’m a diy’er with a 2600 model drill I found in my late fathers garage, anxiously waiting on gen4s release. However, I am not really seeing a noticeable difference between them, you tell me. Gen3 has had time to be improved, and it would seem to be just as good if not better.
I wish they would do a thermal test and a comparison when both are hot and how much it takes to get them hot those are honestly more important than cold performance
What about the new Gen 4 Milwaukee Impact driver vs the DeWalt DCF850? Which one is more compact and more powerful???? I'm curious if Milwaukee caught up with the compactness as it looks slightly the same just with the chuck area being a bit smaller? Also no Powerstack technology from Milwaukee.... curious how the DCF850 with a power stack will stack up against the Milwaukee Gen 4 with a 5AH battery! Also we got 5Ah Powerstack batteries coming!!!
I'm upgrading from gen 2. New lights and smaller design with even more power is great for me. If you have gen 3 I don't think it's worth it
Watch the slow mo footage, lights are improved Bigly!
The difference in power between my old gen 2 and gen 3 was night and day. However, the tri-LED on the gen 4 looks like a huge upgrade.
coming from the m18 "brushless" mid-range. it's a big heeall yeeeah!
I just bought the Gen 3 with the free 3AH HO battery. Idk if I should get the gen 4 just to have it.
@@Papiiswagg, you can never have too many impacts! I bet you also have the Surge.
This makes me feel really good about buying the gen 3 combo during the OPT flash sale. I was afraid that I might regret not going with the newest generation. I think the only think I missed out on was 3 lights and spending a lot of extra money. Plus I got a free bare Sawzall and pack out box. Niiiice.
Should have bought dewalts latest,its smaller with the same power.
Glad you scored Mark!
gen 3s a beast mate good work
Makes me feel good too. I bought two Gen 3 kits with the Home Depot deals lately.
I’ll save my $400 to finish 1/10th of a second faster and running 10-15 degrees hotter.
@@djsi38t the 850 and 840 are far from the same power. Even with Powerstack.
Definitely getting the Gen 4. Milwaukee Fuel Gen 3 impact driver hands down my favorite. I’m hoping in the near future we see a Gen 2 m18 surge. That would be awesome. Thanks for the testing fellas. Really appreciate the comparisons so quick. Everyone has been waiting for this
Awesome cuz! 👍🏻
gen 4s ok but if you have a gen 3 theres not much point yet, wait till the gen 3 dies lol it wont
I have gen 3 m12, and would love to have the 4 m12, but I think the gen 4 m18 is my next buy.
@@praetorianstride5948 I'm pretty sure M12 is a generation behind. The new release was the 3rd gen. While m18 is on gen 4. Just letting you know you might be waiting a while if you want the m12 gen 4. Personally I want to see the gen 2 surge in m12 and m18. Hydraulic drivers are very nice but also much slower. A speed increase would be appreciated
Surges the best drill on the market
Just picked up a new impact because my first gen just died, the store didn't have the Gen 4 so I got the Gen 3 and watching that review, I'm real glad I did get the Gen 3. Thanks for your solid review!
Glad the video helps
Thanks VCG much appreciated video. Vince you are the best of the best in handling impact driver.
Thanks Robert G! I think the impact driver has been one of the most important tools introduced in the last 15 years
Well after searching all night for black friday sales i couldnt decide what to get. I was going to buy the standard brushless kit but the drill and impact lacked a bit compared to the gen 4 fuel. After failing to build the kit i truly wanted with all the "free" tools. $400 for the kit plus a router/jigsaw just wasnt what i was after. Found milwaukee is selling gen 3 fuel kits for $280 which i didnt even realize the difference till now. Saved $120 for a more than capable kit and in my view outperformed the gen 4 in alot of test. However them lights are way nicer on gen 4. But at the end of the day i have a nice kit and my $120 can go towards the bare tool i want. Great review.
Great comparison video, I just like the way you guys do this. You make it interesting and fun to watch, with actual facts and real world usage that we can see. Well done Vince, keep up the good work 👍👍
Thanks, we appreciate that!
I dont think there is enough in the Gen 4 to get me to “upgrade” from my gen 3.5! However, I am VERY curious how it stacks up against the Flex!!!!!
Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos Vince…great entertainment value and informative!
Cheers!
Thanks Steve!
What the model# for a Gen 3.5 and Gen 3. I purchased the m18 fuel combo on December. How do I know which one I have.
@@pedropassament4299 Vince did a video on it…just search thru his vids…it’s what I did before going out to buy it.
@@shigthehandyman thanks
Look in the collet 2 balls = 3.5
Great comparison and testing!
Glad you liked it!
Vince, your video influenced to to buy the GEN3, without watching this, I would have ordered GEN4 today. Txs, Bro !
Im a Milwaukee Fanboy but definitely not opposed to using other brands. Ive just been in the ecosystem for over 10 year and have never had any major issues. I do take extremely good care of my tools by using them correctly. I rarely use an impact to drill holes or a drill to drive screws. I make use of mid torque for medium duty and high torque for heavy as to not over work my tools
How can you not use the impact driver for screws? That's what it was designed for. What do you use and why?
@@PrussianBlu3 He says he rarely uses an impact to drill holes or a drill to drive screws. That means he normally drills holes with a drill and he drives screws with an impact.
Hello again Vince and Vcg
Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I think, I will stay with M12 for now. It does everything I need!!!!! I enjoy watching. Again thank you
George you’re the best thank you!
@@VCGConstruction Hello again Vince
You make that easy!!!!
I have the gen3 and from the looks of your guys test it's definitely not worth upgrading and I definitely won't be. Great video guys thanks.
Thanks Nick, glad the video is helpful
I'm a M12 user wanting to add M18 watching this demonstration first thing I noticed was the much brighter light output from Gen 4. Excellent video 👍
I'm wondering if the tail of the two will be revealed if you swap out the xc5.0 for for some H.O. batteries, I got a hunch that the technology in the Gen 4 allows it to take better advantage of them 21700 cells. Maybe even already programmed to take better advantage of pouch cells with better efficiency who knows, the gen 3 M12 are programmed to take advantage of the new HO batteries, maybe same technology is in the M18. I'd like to see this test ran again with some newer battery technology. 🤞🤞
Good thinking
I don’t think the newer generations are necessarily “programmed” to take more advantage of higher output batteries. I think that the “red link” or “red lithium advantage” in every Milwaukee tool allows the chip in the tool to see what the peak amperage it can consistently draw under load. I say this because with both the M12 and M18 high output batteries they advertised 20% more power in tools that had been released years ago.
I’m sure the newer generations are created with higher output in mind, not that the previous weren’t- but that the chips onboard are more efficient than the PCBs of 4-7 years ago,
Gonna upgrade from M18 non-Fuel Brushless impact driver. Served me well in the last 3 years, but now it's time to get more power. Was gonna get the Gen 3, but after seeing this, the Gen 4 is basically a Gen 3 with slightly faster RPM and IPM and a tri-LED light.
Awesome
I’ve got gen 3 and think I will skip, not because there is minimal difference but my gen 3 is way too new to switch. I love it and will run it till it’s dead. Now if I needed to replace it, I’ll go gen 4, why wouldn’t I?
Smart move
Maybe not a big upgrade in performance but the new lights are nice to have. Plus I'm sure they spent a lot of time trying to solve the trigger issues. Probably just an all around better tool not just performance upgrade. Me personally I'll be waiting on the new M12 stuff to upgrade to from current gen!
I didn’t realize how much better the new lights are until I watched the video (especially slo mo parts)!
@@VCGConstruction Night and day! Literally!
Great stuff. Yeah I’m waiting for the m12 version too. Hopefully you do that one soon before I buy it
What was the trigger issue?
Whats your reason for choosing m12 over m18
Good "dual", I'm waiting for the M12 to come out, can't wait to see the winner in that test, good one Vince.
I love the m12. I don’t need much more other than tearing through brick, (which is often) which it can do but it takes more time. I love the tri-leds. That is a huge selling point for me.
Thanks for the tool test. I love my Milwaukee tools. I liked the side by side comparison even though half the video it was difficult to see who had the 3 and who had the 4. Overall I would say if you have the 3, there's not enough difference to "upgrade" to the new model. Just the information I needed. Thank you.
just look at the gray part. Gne3 has curve on the gray part. Gen4's just right out flat with black finish
Great honest review nice vid Vince
Thanks Matt
Great vid. Two impact beasts in action!
Thanks Barty!
Yes, Vince and Jimmy are high impact beasts all day
Excellent review, informative and entertaining. It help me pull the trigger on a 2853 Black Friday deal .
They were already pushing on the higher end with gen3 it makes sense that barely anything changed. My 5 year old dewalt still does everything, I just got the gen3 for heavier applications.
If it works, keep using it Jack
Had an old boss that used dewalt, love the design, but can’t deviate from the rest of the crew if you know what I’m sayin.
I’ve bought 2 gen 4 impacts both broke in the same way, something was making the “impact mode” stay on even when just pulling the trigger and not screwing/drilling anything. I usually try to inspect all toys I own or anything for that matter to fix it myself cause I’m a cheap ass but I was really but hurt when I bought 2 of these gen 4’s totally in love with it just to be out 300$ in the same year
The lights have sold me. I was already sold on the drill with the gyro sensor so I guess I'm going to get the combo set in the future
Lights are definitely bright. They’re gonna be selling less flashlights!🤔
good thing i have both just got the gen four week ago don't notice the difference as much either milwaukee is a solid tool company A++
I just bought the m12 surge for my compact setup to fit in my 3-drawer setup. Waiting to grab the gen 4 m18 for my power house.
Looks like I'll be keeping my gen 3 stuff and wait to see if gen 5 has anything real to offer. I personally would love maybe a m24 line 😉
M24 seem not to be a bad idea thought. But the 18v its nice because when using smaller tool like impact etc the batteries are not huge . The 40v makita for instance its very great line of tool but the 40v need 2p batterie wich i don't like that much . Its why i think 18v its the best
@@OUTILSCLIPSQC 18v is 20v, it's just a different reading of the voltage. 18/20v = 5s which is 5 cells in series, packs are available in 5x1 5x2 and 5x3 A 24v would be 6s or 6 cells in series, so packs would only be very slightly larger.
I swear this dude could hold a world record for most screws put or something like that you can tell he’s very familiar with the process
Whoever is doing your video productions -- crushing it. Keep it up Vince. Much love and respect to you and and the rest of the VCGang.
During the slow-mo shots, you can see the vibration difference between gen 3 and 4. Looks like the Gen 4 had WAY better vibration dampening.
I replayed the video and the Gen 4 had more vibration (6:00- & 7:25-minute marks) and ran hotter than the Gen 3. Heat is what kills equipment, both electrical & mechanical. Add vibration to heat and the life-span diminishes ever more rapidly (ask any Reliability Engineer, like me). Based on this sample of one, each, the Gen 3 will last longer than the Gen 4.
Cool Video Vince
Thanks Jamal, appreciate it!
That's a tough one... The lights are better on gen 4 but if you're using your driver all day that vibration is going to kill you. Unless you work in a dark place it seems the gen 3 with less user fatigue is a no brainer choice
I have the gen 3 and decided to get the gen 4. Returned it after a few days of using it. I personally don’t feel no difference other than the light. I’m more than fine with my gen 3, and I do a bunch of cabinet work, building decks, framing where you need to use the screws for trusses and other stuff like that and a bunch of other wood working projects. Just didn’t seem like it was really worth the extra money for something new. I’m fine with waiting until a gen 5 comes out. I had the old brushless impact and there was night and day difference between that and the gen 3. I will wait until another drill comes out with a big difference. I know people will buy the gen 4 though because people love throwing money like it’s nothing. I got the hammer drill/impact kit along with 100 piece drill bits and also 23 piece metal drill bits on a deal all for $162 off Home Depot awhile back. Best deal I had seen in a while. Came in a hard case and all
I always buy new... Business write off lol
Nice Comparison I’m Interested In The Gen 4 Hammer Drill In Tool Test Wars
👍🏻
Ridgid fan 1 of my batteries just died went to use the warranty have to take to shop none near me. I was waiting for gen 4 to see how good it's is might just buy gen 3 before they're all gone. Great job 👍
Go Vince!
I've, NO We've been waiting for this for a bit!
If all they did was fix the Chuck issue and add those lights its enough for me to get it.
I love my Gen ll OneKey which I'll probably frame & mount as my most used & valued tool next to my 5-N-1.
Yeah Vince,
Its the lights!
Nothing wrong with improving reliability adding a bell and whistle or 2!
I, too, bought a Gen 3 (with dual ball bit holder) a few months ago based on VCG's real-world reviews & comparisons. I am a DIY'er that appreciates and uses high-quality, contractor-grade tools. I have four old Dewalt 14.4 drills which still run fine, but was intrigued by the impact drivers, so I bought the Milwaukee M18 Fuel driver for about $90 (driver only). I bought the Milwaukee charger and two (cheap) aftermarket batteries for much less than half the price of Milwaukee batteries. They hold-up just fine for my projects and charge faster than I can discharge them.
I turn to VCG for reviews on accessories too. I thought the 30-piece Dewalt impact set was nice until I found the Milwaukee 100-piece set for about twice the price as the Dewalt, but with a much wider variety of bit sizes, types & lengths.
I have Gen3, awesome power tools.
No need for extended bit. The Torx itself is enough. When put together it adds more kinetic energy on the tool itself - wear and tear - keep it short and sweet.
So, what I am seeing that the only really difference is lighting and heat? Does the Gen 4 improved lighting add to the heat? The new cost higher on the Gen 4 than you can get a Gen 3? Something to contemplate. Ridgid Ron
I’m gonna watch when we take the temps a second time and give you my thoughts!
@@VCGConstruction Looking for forward to it
I have the gen 3 impact and hammer drill set. I also have the gen 4 set of both. I prefer the gen 4 only because of tri light and being more compact for tighter spaces. I have 2 sets of each gen for my guys on the job site. If you want performance for the buck. Get gen 3. If more compact and the light matters. Get gen 4. It’s minimal on the compactness difference though
how can u compare both when u let the oother cool down before u do it
Thanks Jimmy! 👍
When are they sending you the track saw?
I’m just bought my first set of M18 Fuel from HD don’t know it which gen hope it good 😊
Seems like a step down in terms of getting into tighter spaces also, because of the triLED it doesn't really taper and that's a bigger problem than anything else.
That heat buildup could also be a concern for longer term durability
The TriLED lights things up so much better. DeWalt really nailed that on theirs
@@kyle3045 if they'd incorporated the ¼" socket external shape of the collet that Bosch have, it would be a game changer. As is I don't see it as a replacement for the gen 3 but rather a tool for construction sites where you have good access but poor lighting, adding the easy change to a ¼" socket without an adaptor would be an amazing compact and versatile tool that covers many roles
This is the test I was waiting for Vince. I think I might get those Gen3 tool deals that they are going to be wanting to get rid of to bring in the Gen 4.
Don’t blame you Kenny!
Good 👍🏼 video and comparison between the gen 3 & gen4
I'd like to see bigger lags and a whole TTR on them thanks ive been waiting to see it in action....
What size lags Brandon?
@@VCGConstruction just do what you do brother a ttr were gonna have to put it against flex 24v id also like to see some ho batteries in it aswell mabey it needs the high output batteries to get optimal results 😉
@@VCGConstruction 5/16"x 4" would be good, dontcha think?
Can you compare the Gen3 drill/hammer drill to the Gen4 drill/hammer drill? I am curious if they reduced the heat it can generate.
Sure ting
I’ve got all m18 fuel tools gen 3 both impact drivers. Oscillating tool, hacksaw, hammer drill and brushed orbital sander, grinder, saws all and fan. It pays to wait to save money. I started with m12 but I wanted more power.
Hey. Did the fix the collet problem with bits falling out?
*_It has 2 balls in the collet and seems pretty good, but we haven't abused it enough yet to know absolutely!_*
Million $ question: Did Milwaukee fix the COLLET????? Does it still drop the bits??
Cool stuff 😎
I think there both top of the line tools.
I'm a Metabo Bosch kind of guy, but if I had to pick one. I would go Gen 4 because I like the LED lights on Gen 4.
Thanks for the video Vince.
Thx for the comparison
when does the gen4 release in stores?
i have the m12 gen 4 but thinking about getting the m18 because my m12 doesnt have the power to screw self tappers thru sheet metal into air handlers
Did they fix the collet that is constantly slipping off paddle bits???? That's the only issue I've ever had with Gen 3
Please compare 12V gen 2 to gen 3. Thanks! 👊
I'd like to see you put the Gen 4 up against the M18 Fuel Surge Impact Driver. I was thinking about getting the Surge for work because it's a little quieter than the basic tool. But if the M18 Fuel Gen 4 beats it out. Just might have to change what I get.
I have both and the gen 4 is Def more powerful. I run hundreds of self tapping screws daily and the surge just can't compete with the gen 3 or 4.
@@johnnyt4654 I am actually thinking of getting the Gen 4 for work. It'll come in really handy when replacing some things on Semi Tractors or Trailers.
Can you do this test again but with the high output cp3.0 battery?
Where can I find the best magnetic bit holder? Something that magnetically holds the fastener? I thought I saw a video about those on the channel.
As a DIY’er I will look forward to your Gen 3 blowout price alerts over the next month……hopefully there will be some deals!
You know it! 👍🏻
You can already get the gen 3 for about $68 at home depot.
@@miggythegreat really…..how? Haven’t checked prices in a few days. Is it done with a hack?
@@bbcamillo yeah look up the impact. Comes with a 3.0 for $129 which a decent deal in itself but if you don’t want the 3.0, return it and the impact comes out to about $68.
Have you done a review on the Hydraulic Drive Impacts yet?
Love to see videos like this. Are you doing this with the M12 line too? (Because I'm a home owner/contractor and use M12 tools instead of M18)✌️🤠
When will gen 4 hammer drill come?
Good video guys I have gen 3 one key version and gen 4 fuel very good power tools
Did they fix the collet problem even though they added a second ball bearing?
Is the M12 comparison next!?
About to get my Gen 4 soon! Can’t wait 🔥 selling my 2850-20
Keeping the current gen 3 and will buy the gen 4. Doesn't hurt to have an extra around
Break it in slow! Don’t fully put it in the jobsite mix until after you get your first scratch on it! 👍🏻
@@VCGConstruction thanks for the heads up Vince. Will do that☺️
I don’t currently have a impact driver. I have been watching and May make the move to Milwaukee from Ryobi and see how it goes. My application is self drilling screws into hard metal for wood walls in my metal building. Where is best place to purchase Milwaukee?
Nice comparison vid, and wish Milwaukee at pipeline had this kind of test going on as well as using other brand’s tools. It would be nice if at new tool events, the companies/brands, what have you; ALSO HAD PRIOR GEN of the tools to run and actually compare differences in last gen to new gen; would be cool to see, but not sure anyone has done this. Could be wrong….
Thx Vince and Jimmy, you guys rock (and that slo-mo w/ vibration of gen 4, looked like and sds hitting you😉)
Cheers✌🏻
Thanks Aepek, the vibration was only a problem on that one lag test in speed 2 for me.
What about the colic issues with gen3, has it been resolved with gen4?
just replaced my gen 1 with gen 4, drill was starting to play up, lets see if it lasts as long.
Did they fix the retention in the collet in G4 ? Will my spaddle bits stay in the tool ?
Yo Vince which Spyderco are you running?? Just saw you flick it so fast and tuck it away
When does this come out?
My big question would be, did they fix all the problems that the gen 3 has? I’ve had mine for a year and a half and the collet and auto-stop are both shot.
What abt the chuck ?? Did they fix it
What about the chuck/collet problem? Have they figured it out for gen4? lol
Keeping my gen 3 😁 ! Nice for lights but that about it.
When you doing the gen 4 Hammer drill and the M12 3rd gen hammer drill and impact
I guess my big question is, in previous videos I'd see you complain about the collars releasing bits. Has this problem been fixed?
yeah I'm sticking with my DeWalt atomic. it's by far the most compact 20v impact. love the damn thing.
I have it and I like it, but it is not nearly as powerful as the M18 Fuel. I own both, like them both, if I had to choose one it will definitely be the Milwaukee
@@levskitoronto I'm an HVAC installer. It's more than powerful enough. It's the best impact for getting into tight spaces
I what to buy gen 4 when is coming out
The real question is: did they improve the trigger control on delicate fasteners? It already had more than enough power to compete with anything on the market.
What type of “delicate” fasteners we talking about?
@@VCGConstruction cabinet screws when installing kitchens for example. The gen 3's trigger control is kinda difficult to control and ramps up to full bore too quickly in my opinion. I know you shouldn't use an impact driver for really delicate work, but sometimes it happens :p.
Just wanted to know if you’re assembling computers with the thing! 🤣
@@VCGConstruction now that would be a great test 👍.
U make me love woodworking
This is good for plumbers, electricians, and HVAC techs as well. Glad you like it!
Go Vince!
Gen 4 is "Hot", literally!
Could be a problem long term. Ask Ryobi, lol.
Thanks Redd, which one should I ask them about?
@@VCGConstruction Any of them, 😅😅🤣
Let me leave Ryobi alone. Its been a while since I seen one of their tools do a rendition of "Ol Smokey"!
Didn’t see too much of a difference besides the lights of course, but I was gonna get the Gen 3 cause I only run the Gen 2 m12 fuel right now, but the Gen 4 looks nice. Thanks for the video Vince!
Thanks Ryan!
@@VCGConstruction is there an actually release date for the Gen 4 impact or is it just sometime in August? I’d love to get my hands on it. My Gen 2 M12 fuel is very nice as an electrician’s apprentice, but sometimes it isn’t as strong as I’d like, and that new impact would help out a lot.
What's the probability of getting a Gen 3 vs Gen 3.5 buying off the shelf? Are the single bearing collet drivers still out in the wild? Can I buy confidently upon the assumption that I'll be receiving the 2 ball collet?
I will be getting the new m12 fuels when they come out! Use my m12 fuel Daily for work
Thanks for the tool test Vince. Jimmy looking good hope you're doing good. Not too excited about Gen 4. The improved collet and Tri Lights with 100 more impacts per minute should have been on Gen 3. I'll stick with my single LED, less than great collet, and intermittent dead trigger for a bit longer.
Thanks Skillz, we appreciate it! 👍🏻
I have been using the gen3 for a few years and it's great, the only thing I dislike is progressive control/feel. I find it can be too over powered for day to day tasks as it ends up wanting to spin out, or bust bits over and over again. As where I find makitas impact works great for everyday use with progressive feel but the power isn't there. So I was hoping to see if the gen4 had a more progressive feel rather than focusing on power and speed
I’m a diy’er with a 2600 model drill I found in my late fathers garage, anxiously waiting on gen4s release. However, I am not really seeing a noticeable difference between them, you tell me. Gen3 has had time to be improved, and it would seem to be just as good if not better.
Gen 3 is the way to go.
I wish they would do a thermal test and a comparison when both are hot and how much it takes to get them hot those are honestly more important than cold performance
Vicente Jimmy , you got to let your captains duke it out it's not fair, just bought one of each👊👊👊
Can you please do a review on the milwaukee m18 90 degree drill and test it with 1" paddle bits please I would greatly appreciate it.
What about the new Gen 4 Milwaukee Impact driver vs the DeWalt DCF850? Which one is more compact and more powerful???? I'm curious if Milwaukee caught up with the compactness as it looks slightly the same just with the chuck area being a bit smaller? Also no Powerstack technology from Milwaukee.... curious how the DCF850 with a power stack will stack up against the Milwaukee Gen 4 with a 5AH battery! Also we got 5Ah Powerstack batteries coming!!!