The new Milwaukee Gen 4 Drill and Impact Driver is BAFFLING!...This is strange!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Milwaukee Tool introduces their all new Gen 4 Impact Driver and Gen 4Hammer Drill. The only issue is I'm not really sure what to make of them, and this is why
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Got a trick for ya ON the gen 3 clint When you tighten the gen 3 chuck down back the chuck backwards 1 click it should Lock the bit into place its a secret Feature most tooless chucks have tighten the chuck till it stops ratcheting then back it off 1 click @Tool Review Zone
I have the gen 3.5 impact and that was an upgrade from gen2. That upgrade was massively noticeable! I don’t think I’ll have the same experience moving up to gen4.
Milwaukee just pulled an apple move. "Here is the new iPhone peasants, it's the same as the old one but we know you are all going to buy it anyways"
Lol I have gen 3, definitely not about to buy a new set
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Nailed it.
So we do get fooled again,jeje
Yet everyone complains about dewalt not doing this every year.
I kind of feel like this was Milwaukee's way of keeping all the Milwaukee guys including myself pacified until they come out with some kind of technology whether it be pouched cell batteries or a larger voltage line AKA battery platform or something that's really going to set that bar back up high like it should be
I sorta feel the same way brother. As mentioned, I'm not blown away with these Kentucky. I'm glad they fixed some of the issues on the new, but I was wanting more I guess
They have a 24V line. They're just crazy expensive.
@@ToolReviewZone yeah I love the lights and look of em but I wanted more power or at least ouch cells. I truly feel since they are falling behind that they might become kinda like Makita
@@nerdyned500 who is that??
@@nerdyned500 you talking about the M28 line?? Yes they are expensive and very hard to find I believe
With your chuck coming undone. Once you have tightened it turn it back slowly a little bit until you hear it click. That’s the chuck locking shut. Will probably solve your issue.
that's exactly it. When he puts it back and tight it up I was like... he didn't lock it!!
Incorrect
@@heeltoe6845 no it’s correct, unless you have something to back it up so we understand your point, but thats how Milwaukee chucks work.
Even locked, I have seen my gen 3 loosen up.
I still own a gen 3 and I am very well aware of the locking mechanism and it still loosens up constantly... I don't have the same issue with my m12 hammer drill but the m18 gen 3 has been nothing but a headache.
If you actually locked the chuck by tightening all the way THEN twist the chuck back a degree counter clockwise and you'll feel the chuck rest in a detent for the locked position. The tightening sleeve on the chuck is then locked as well as the Jaws. Then your bit will never come out.
I was about to mention that he wasn't locking the chuck.
This works, it took me 3 yrs to figure this out on my Gen 1 drill....slow learner I guess.😉
@@erik34 He actually commented back to say "Always do brother". So, I guess everyone that commented about it saw it wrong or somethin'. Lol.
You shouldn't have to do that every time. It's annoying.
I wanna see the new M12 drills tested. Please make sure to weigh the drills as well for any changes.
You got it👊
@@ToolReviewZone can't wait.
I bought the gen 4 impact drill later to realize it was a surge impact 😶 was gonna return it back but dam I'm liking this surge not what I wanted but dam wasn't expecting such a suprise
I've had a gen 2 for years now. And been looking to upgrade for a few years. But the horror stories I've seen with gen 3 impacts and Chucks held me off for a while. Glad they made those little improvements, and came out with the gen 4 finally. Now the hard part is finding a set. Hopefully it's worth it
Did u get the sets? Is it worth it now?
Hopping from gen 2, I would say yes! Haven't had any complaints with the gen 4 so far. If you currently have gen 3's especially with the gen 3.5 impact (or the surge impact), I would wait till either if there's a sale or you really had to replace cause of damage, wear and tear etc.
Very nice impact I’ve had one die on me a week into using it the trigger gave out and soon enough the motor blew out due to continuous use for about 5 1/2 hours soon bought the dewalt DCF845 it’s been a year I abuse the thing for 6-8 hours a day and she’s still going strong covered in sewage drywall dust paint and all and never had a problem still using it with the original 5ah XR battery dewalt all the way
Someone analogue switches and physical buttons are just better. My mom bought an air conditioner that has a touch pad a couple years ago. Half the time the touch pad won’t respond if your fingers are the slightest bit wet. Also, so all the the lettering is work off, and whiteout that, you can’t really tell where the buttons are supposed to be. So, she used a sharpie to write what buttons are where, but she still has the issue of lack of responsiveness. Personally, in cases like that, I’m fine with switches and buttons.
Agreed brother
Your twin brother has good judgment, he doesn’t like you either!
Vance!
That's not very NICE VANCE 😪
FYI with the gen 3 chuck, once fully tight backoff Quarter of a turn locks it
The XC5.0 is limited to 720W (20A x 2 x 18V) while the high outputs can do 1620W (45A x 2 x 18V)). Those 5.0 limiting these drills from meeting the power demanded by the motor. If you see them trading blows too it is likely the where their torque curves land based on being power limited since they likely have very similar curves. It's near the end top of the curve where you should see the 4th gen break away in terms of speed.
Still a good video which shows the generation differences based on the 5.0 batteries.
No high output M18 battery besides the 12.0 reaches over 1600W and you're never going to want to use that battery on this drill if you can help it. 6.0/8.0 cap out around 1260W, 3.0 CP is 630W. Milwaukee uses Samsung 30T and 40T. whatever spec you've found is either wrong or from a cell nobody in the power tool industry wants anything to do with due to inadequate cycle life. ex: Molicel. Nobody uses Molicels in power tool packs. Vast majority source from Samsung, LG, Sanyo or Murata. Molicel 21700s rated @ 45A are a product primarily for Vape Lords. And the P42A are Made in Taiwan. Where as most/all Milwaukee cells are sourced from South Korea or Singapore which is where Samsung's chem facilities are located. Printed right on the bottom of their packs, even just checked my 8.0s. Don't need to open them to know they're going to be a Samsung 40T rated at 30-35A CDR.
This class of drills and drivers don't pull enough power to see any real consistently useful gains either, and you're taking on extra size/weight as a trade-off. Past 40A you're already in the land of diminishing returns where your only real benefits are coming from lessened voltage drop. Tools like these don't have large enough motors to consistently ask for 1,000 some watts for any useful length of time.
Aww the Evil Twin Back with his Shinanaigans lmfao Clint 🤣 @Tool Review Zone
Awesome video man thanks. I don’t think I’m upgrading.. Thanks for helping me making this videos
Did you lock the chuck? Tighten all the way and go back one click. Might help the gen 3 chuck issues.
Always brother. I always tighten then one click back 👊
I have the Gen 3 2804 hammer drill and had the 2607 brushed Milwaukee hammer drill. I can’t stand the Gen 3 because the chuck is always dropping bits, same with the previous brushed hammer drill. I’ve noticed when the drill stops, it stops to quick along with a metal on metal slapping sound and loosens the bits. So I switched to Dewalt and I have never had that problem. My 40v XGT Makita drops bits sometimes.
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Ridgid used to be the worst with that. Glad they fixed the issue on these those
My gen 3 has two ball bearings , but I think they it's considered gen 3.5 not 3.0 , like the one's with the single bearing in the "collet"I think it's called .
Hey Clint, will you be doing a similar review of the new M12 Fuel drill and impact?
That’s strange my half-inch hammer drill GEN three only has the settings on top it does not have settings on the bottom like the impact. I wish RUclips would let people post pictures in the comment.
Believe that's the One-Key version
@@randymathews3348 it has to be, more control options in app with OneKey. I also have the Gen 3 2804 non one key and I only have the setting 1-2 on the top.
that's true. One Key versions get those bottom keys, same with DeWalt Tool Connect. Used to have the DCF888 and DCD997 and they had digital keys below
The buttons above battery was only on the one key version..... Pointless in my opinion as you have the trigger and the manual switch on top.
Great review. Real naas like. Thanks Clint 👍🏻. I’ve got the gen 3.5 impact with the two collett bearings and will stand pat. I’ve got a decent hammer drill and don’t see anything major there to make me pick up the gen 4 hammer drill but I’ll check for more reviews on them as they get out there. Thx again
It amazes me that reviewers are shocked when they don't get a huge upgrade in power. I mean, until some company puts the Flux capacitor in a drill, how much stronger can they get?
Milwaukee claimed that this was the most powerful drill/impact on the planet at Pipeline. Mayne you just except what these companies tell you 🤔
@@ToolReviewZone Or I know they are all full of it, and every product ever marketed is "The Most Powerful Ever" (in God voice)
Finally someone with some rational thinking. There isn't an infinite amount of more power available with the same size. All the brands are using great quality brushless motors, you can't just magically get more torque out of them without raising the price range significantly. From what I saw, the Gen 4's reduced the head length and kept the same power. Improved triggers and lighting on the impact, improved safety and switch design (and went back to mechanical clutch) on the hammer drill. How is that not a win for the same price?
I have gen 3.0...rarely use it
I however use the surge way more instead
I have gen 3 drill as well... the chuck is all rust out....
I might be wrong here but for better results on HO batteries it has to be 8ah and up....
Clint! Really good video. I’m still rocking my Gen 1 Fuel drill. Passed on Gen 2, and didn’t really care for the Gen 3? I’m not alone in my disdain for that friggin trigger. It needs to be redone. It looks like its the same, so I’ll pass on this Gen. 4. I have way more drills than I need, even after selling several lately!. 😯
T. R. Z. Rocking it out. And that’s “Real Nass Like!” Take care bro 👍👍👍✌
Appreciate the awesome comment and feedback George!
@@ToolReviewZone Appreciate the reply Clint! You awesome Bro! 👍👊
@@georgedavall9449 and I appreciate the comment brother
I have gen 1& 2 very happy no need to upgrade.
Everyone says the gen 1/2 is way more robust & reliable than gen 3
@@kristene2372 You dont hear me disagreeing with you! 👍✌
I always tighten down on my chuck then do a slight turn in the opposite direction, that should lock it and stop the power of the drill and weight of the bit causing it to loosen.... Try it if it works then thumbs up👍
Unfortunately, that's just a myth. Even Milwaukee says that doesn't work 🥺
@@ToolReviewZone fair play, many I've tried definitely "click" still give it a go for a laugh, probably placebo effect but I think it helps lol...
Already have a 2804 but looking to get a second drill. I can get the gen 3 or gen 4 in a kit for the same price on sale right now. I've Already ordered a 6.0 high output battery so I'm thinking I might as well go with a gen 4 to get something better. 200 more inch pounds is roughly 16% more power. Add that to a 6ah high output and there should be a noticeable difference i would hope.
Gen 3 chuck, do it up then one click back locks it so it dont loosen when the brake comes on. Altho saying that we have 3 of them at work and 2 of them loosen and drop bits its only my one that dont. Think it is an issue with the chucks them selfs
As for the wrist breaker mode thing i prefer the drills without it.... If you really need it put it on number 14 on the torque clutch and it acts the same as an anti wrist breaker mode....
Personally drilling stainless and brass i like the wrist breaker function as it just keeps going when the bit goes through rather than petering out and leaving a huge burr
Personally had gen 1 ( still got it) and gen 3 and the brushed versions.
If i could warrent it i would still have my loktor 18 volt nicd drill as that was a beast. Cant see any of the newer drills taking the amount of abuse that i used to throw at that thing. That thing used to do a 4 inch core bit through brick and breezeblock, yes it got hot but just kept going
Gen 3 drill, try tightening it till the ratcheting stops the back it off 1/8 turn, you should feel a slight release in the chuck tightness. Most drill chucks have a locking mechanism that most people don’t know about. 🤫
The better lighting is long overdue. Its not complicated to add more lights.
wow, it took 4 generations to implement that wrist breaking safety feature. my 11 year old drill has that feature. anyways, is the gen 4 more efficient? maybe that's the real upgrade, who knows
Hilti had years ago too
If u just put the gen 3 milwakees clutch in the highest screw mode it basically is the same thing
I had the same problem with my gen 3 hammer drill, I thought that it was a Chuck problem... No, it wasn't a problem I guess only after spraying 40 WD to the Chuck my hammer drill was like new.
I supposed this is due to lack of lubricant or something.
Hmmm, interesting 🤔
Great video! Your evil twin seems to have a bit of an attitude 😂😂
We never did get along Dusty 😪
Were you able to trigger the safety stop just to test it out? I tried flicking the drill and while it worked the first couple times it suddenly stopped doing it and now I’m worried that my hammer drill may be defective.
Considering all my tools just got stolen I will be grabbing up some of these new milwaukee tools I think I'm gonna go with the m12 combo first though.
Man, sorry to hear that brother
@ToolReviewZone what model of gen 3 hammer drill do you have? Because I got mine in combo kit 2997-22 and mine does not have a digital button for modes?!??
thank you for the comparison and hope it works for ya!!
Ridgid Ron 👊👊
Had my gen 1 drill since around 2015 and it's been used daily since then since I work in the trades. It finally fell apart when drilling an 8" hole with a core drill through concrete. Might be worth an upgrade.
Hahaha ya right!! That thing would’ve burned up first 10 seconds trying to fire drill through concrete!! 😂
On most drills if you tighten the Chuck nice and tight then give a slight turn in the loosen direction you’ll feel a click which locks it in place so it doesn’t open up 👍🏻
I always do that
Id want to see the 6AmpHr batteries because of the higher cell voltage.
Dude really just threw some sawdust on the gen3 to make it seem like its actually been hard at work🤣
Yeah, cause all of your videos show you doing hard work.... oh...wait
I think they are doing the same thing DeWey did with the 845. They are calling it an "upgrade" in order top get rid of a design flaw without admitting there was a design flaw.
Red Gen 3 had the collate problem. DeWey 887 had the...well...blowing up in your hand problem. Out come the Gen 4 and the 845 which, spec for spec are no better than their predecessors at all, but they both have the previous design flaws fixed. It's an attempt to get everybody off of their ass, without causing everyone who never noticed the flaws to return their tools.
So, to step up from Gen 2… straight to Gen 4 or wait for a great deal on the Gen 3’s? I do like the tri led lights and anti kick feature on the 4’s
i like the extra switches. i think i got generation 2 milwaukee hammer drill and impact driver.
Chris 👊👊👊
Just bought these. They are incredible.
My gen 3 has the auto stop too, and my gen 3 drill has no button switches at the bottom
Yeah please post anything else you may come up with. I love Milwaukee but when my GEN three burns out may have to go with that flex with the turbo. And I really don’t like flexesMarketing and I don’t care for Lowe’s. But that hammer drill is pretty sweet.
I'll definitely be posting more vids brother. Just didn't want this one to run an hour long 🤣
@@ToolReviewZone that’s why we luv ya Clint!
Milwaukee switch blade Forstner Are very nice
I font know the correct term for them but i have pressure sores ! Or something from years of using the gen 3 impact driver at the base of my thumb that pushes up against the tool . It hurts like hell when im using it .it seems like p;"s poor ergonomical design work !and the gen 3 chuck opening happens to me all the time on mine . Plus the impact driver often still runs in forwatd 1st time i pulll the trigger after putting tool into reverse ! Ive had some real problems with my mileaukee tools
I have other brands so not really an experienced user. I dont use large bits often so I think I would be searching for clearance gen 3s if I was in the market
Which drill would make a better boat motor
When is it in store??
New tools release 's, always have fans , happy to spend with .
Is it worth coming from the Gen 2? My dad now needs to hit his drill with a hammer to get it to switch and it’s so old there’s no parts. I already preordered the new m12’s they do everything I do.
youre problem with the chuck is you are not locking it, tighten chuck on arbor then turn chuck back opposite direction till you feel a click. locked in will help you with loosing youre bits...
Firstly, I did that, second... that's a myth, third..... many people are having issues with the chuck
Great comparison
Question, how good is that auto stop?
I'm an industrial electritian and constantly up on lifts and ladders and in tight spaces, and most of the time drilling through metal. So I've been waiting for a tool company to put this on a a drill for a long time now. So does it actually work?
And I've noticed that with my gen 3 with the chuck thought I just had a minor defact in the drill. Hasn't bothered me to much but enough that I notice it, it's never stoped me from doing my job and that's even drill through stainless steel. It would be nice to not have to deal with that issue
It does not work that well. It only kicks in under extreme circumstances, and sometimes not at all. I was hoping it would work like the Bosch SDS's and immediately stop when it binds up, but the gen4 needs the drill to actually break loose first, which kind of defeats the purpose.
@@dcl97 got ya, thanks for the info was debating if I wanted to invest in the gen4 as my gen 3's only about 8 months old. I drill a lot of stainless steel and metal
Might want to check out the 4 gear Festool drill. Very sensitive kickback stop and rpm from 450 to 3500 👍
Seem to works very well if activated. You can activate it by moving the drill fast in your hand
The auto stop works well on my gen 4 m18 fpd3 but it can be turned off easily by pressing the trigger 5 times with the trigger locked the stop light lights up then fades off, then turn it back on the same way but the stop light blinks to show it's on.
Same tried out gen 4 yesterday
Didn't seem to have the power but bought for 130$ 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Catch a sale on the Gen 3’s and you might get lucky with a Gen 3.5, that already has the two BB collet bit retention fix that the Regular Gen 3’s lacked. Get a good deal, maybe an extra tool or battery…and then maybe if you’re good…Santa will slip a schweet-schweet Gen 4 in your stocking for Christmas.🎄
(They’re so compact.)
Now, wouldn’t that be Real Nass Like?
When will the Milwaukee gen 4 impact be available in stores
Already at the Home Depot 👊
Will have to take another look tomorrow at the one I go to here in ct they didn’t have any at the one a town over. Love the vid thanks for the great info loved it 👍🏻👍🏻
I run all m18 fuel except for my impact, It’s an atomic dc850, but now that the gen 4 is only 1/2 inch bigger than the atomic I should complete the set 😎
I have the gen 3.5 with two bearings. With no plans to upgrade. The light alone isn't worth the upgrade.
Your gen 3 impact and hammer drill must be old because my gen 3 impact has the 3 speed modes with the drill mode and my hammer drill has no buttons on it but has the auto kickback feature
@ToolTeviewZone
Hey Clint I have an awesome test for you!
So I've been thinking, you know has the best anti kickback technology?
An impact wrench!
Why don't you try buying a 3/8 to 1/4 hex adapter (Here's one IRWIN 1869512)
And plug in some big ol hole makers and do a test Milwaukee Mid Torque Vs Gen 4 drill!
Yes, pretty friken rad if I do say so meshelf!
It's going to work it's going to work it's going to work (is what my brains saying)
It would definitely be interesting, plus you know it would get like a gazillion views!
$53’000 timber, that’s cheap compared to English prices right now. 😂😂 nice video.
Back to VCG Construction I go!
Hoping I can get some gen 3s on sale now haha
Sticking with my gen3 they work just fine for me.
Can both be bought together in a kit?
This is wayyyy better than VCG Construction !!! Just sayin .. 🤷🏾♂️
I just wish he wasn't so mean to me 😪
@@ToolReviewZone he’s mean just cause his shirt it too tight 🤣
Old Busted Hotness! 🤣🤣
I would like to see it against some competitors, like the dcd805, xgt, etc.
I just wanna know where you got your sunglasses....
Hahaha, can't remember. Probably Walmart or something 🤣😎
This made me decide to stay with my gen 2 impact until it breaks and upgrade to gen 4 on my chuck drill
Yo Vince! I mean Clint. Does that 6x6 have any pilot holes?
Haha, noooo pilot holes! 👊🤣
Well, that’s odd! Your evil twin is right-handed, too, just like you! LOL!
It's the only thing we share
Seems they went for more refinement and simplification over sheer power. Battery pouch technology and the tooling/investment to switch is probably expensive and they must beleive it’s a better investment at this time.
I wish they would have updated the m12 rotary hammer and the miter saws, selfishly because I’m in the market.
Just bought the M12 hammer drill. Love it. But an update wouldve been nice.
The auto stop feature is what I want.....don't care about a faster hole.....
I wonder when they will come out with a bigger voltage battery. 20v 40v and 60v
My gen 2 had the auto stop feature
Glad for the new tools: but/and maybe new is not best?
At least not as good as I was hoping anyway
I do want the to tri led but I need it to perform 😡
Can you make a review on gen4 clutch settings... Because gen3 has a clutch issue its overpower even on lowest setting.
The gen 4 switched back to a mechanical clutch, which should fix all of the issues the gen 3 had in low settings
I have to say, when I do upgrade from my Ryobi stuff, it'll be to my other favorite yellow tools.
Other yellow? Ryobi is green
@@larryecker8972 once they've had enough grease and grim for long enough period of time, they hit puberty and change color.
A up brother yes I’d upgrade REAL NASS LIKE 👍
This guy is the kind of neighbor you want to live next to.
What is the best case use for a hammer drill?
Drilling holes in Concrete for tap cons and such
@@ToolReviewZone that’s what I thought, but I wasn’t sure.
Get a rotory hammer (SDS) drill for concrete if you do it enough. Chuck hammer drills are garbage for concrete
I won't be going out and buying them right away by any means. Will wait until my Gen 3 has issues, which probably won't be anytime soon. As I kind of predicted when these were announced, the performance difference just... isn't.
The gen 3 was too powerful. Some might appreciate not breaking so many bits and screw heads now.
Important to note that the gen 3 non one key variant of the impact does have the auto shut off like the gen 4 non one key
Similarly with the hammer drill, the gen 3 non one key doesn’t have the electronic speed control on the heal by the battery.
Gen 3 revised impacts also have dual ball bearings and if yours doesn’t you can call Milwaukee and they’ll upgrade your existing one.
The only true differences between gen 3 and 4 would be the impacts light array, increased rpm and temperature shut off thresholdsfor both drill and impact, and auto stop on the drill (which can be turned on or off)
M12 gen 3 fuel next up?
I have one other video I have to do first the gen 3 m12 early next week 👊
@@ToolReviewZone
Right on!!
…so they fixed the drill’s chuck, which should have been fixed years ago. And then the stole desalts lights and didn’t put that ring light in Hilti’s Nurons have?
*disappointed dad face emoji
4:20 Gen 3 pushed down with other hand, gen 4 did not.
*laughs in ryobi HP*
You do know how to lock a chuck yeah?
Read the comments
Gd one bud👍
Thanks Steve 👊👊👊
Awesome content buddy! Lmao
Comparison not fair because you test a used gen3 vs new gen4
That was the whole point 🙄
You need to use high output batteries
If you have the gen 3 you obviously don't need to upgrade. They're just newer versions of the same.