Do Pronomian (Pro-Law) Christians "Hate Jesus" and Reject His Work on the Cross?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Christian author and teacher Michael Kelley (@bibleInspiredTopics) insists that Christians who obey and teach God's Law "hate Jesus" and are "literally rejecting what Jesus did on the cross for us." He also claims that God's Law is "bondage" and that Jesus freed us from our obligation to obey it. In support of these assertions, Michael cites passages that, according to him, illustrate a dichotomy between the Torah and Jesus's commandments. Additionally, he argues that the implications of Jesus's heavenly high priesthood include the establishment of a new law that supersedes the Law of Moses. In this video, I examine Michael's arguments in support of these assertions.
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Lol it amaze me till this day when the messiah said I have not come to abolish the law. I have not come to do that. I don't understand how people just don't get that? Crazy
Exactly.
I believe pride plays a big part on people not wanting to admit the truth.
Some believe that this antinomian way of thinking started with the Nicolaitans; which Yeshua hated by the way…
Fulfilled means just that. The veil of the temple was split then 40 years later God destroyed the temple
I've studied Matt 5:17-20 with 20+ people. When I hold them to the context and meanings of the first part of the verse they JUMP to "fulfill" (plēroō) and pretext it to mean abolished, ended, stopped, ect.... they then begin to act like a spoiled child who's toy is being pulled from them.
It's indoctrination at a very deep level. It's really weird to see.
Shabbat shalom
There is a great line from _American Hustle_ where the protagonist says ppl spend their lives conning themselves. That is certainly the case with antinomians. They convinced themselves that Christ came to lay down His life for mankind in order to free ppl from oppressive laws because their real problem is that they don't want God telling them how to live any more than the average atheist does.
@@CarlosPerdomo It did start with them. After the apostle Peter rebuked Simon Magus in Acts 8, the latter started his own brand of "Christianity" and emphasized God's grace as being a license to reject His laws.. It is for that reason that the epistles and Revelation consistently emphasizes law-keeping. The original apostles had to fight the doctrines of Mystery Babylon back in their own day.
If keeping the commandments of the law means we hate Jesus...then when they don't tell lies, don't commit adultery, etc. they hate Jesus. Passover is just as much a commandment of God's Law as any other.
They’re only reading Paul, not Jesus. Peter warned that it was confusing and to not be led into lawlessness.
The problem isn't that antinomians only read Paul. Peter said that ignorant and wicked ppl would twist Paul's words because some of them are hard to understand. Everything Paul preached was completely in line with Christ's words. He just phrased the theology differently. And because he phrased it differently, even pronomians manage to reach the conclusion that Paul opposed Christ.
That is one of the most ludicrous statements I have ever heard. Obeying the two foundational commandments, the ten commandments, and the 200 plus of the 613 instructions that actually apply to us today under the new covenant, (omitting ones relating to a Temple, Levitical priesthood, or living in the physical land of Israel) does NOT place us under bondage. In fact, it is the exact opposite: they are liberating and result in our protection and blessing!
There are 2 arguments that I always here from Christians concerning the law of Moses. 1) It was done away with the death/burial/resurrection/ascension of Yeshua. 2) Christ has a different set of laws (which some overlap with Moses). In both cases they are pitting the Son against the Father, which is bad theology and a misunderstanding of scripture.
thats a fair statement as ive heard them both also...
shabbat shalom
I think a basic concept of "dispensationalism" is the cause. It hurts my heart so much.. I speak to protestants and they deny they are "dispensationalist"... but they think there are different laws for different people at differing times. 😟
What makes things confusing and something neither side discusses or is able to articulate is the integration of the law and the covenant. The Law was the Old Covenant. The old covenant has been replaced with the new covenant. Every physical thing in the Old Covenant found its spiritual type in the New Covenant. Hence, sacrifices, feasts and sabbaths found their spiritual counterpart in the New Covenant. The moral law is eternal and is the same no matter what covenant you are under.
@@goldenarm2118 The Law was not the Old Covenant. It is this kind of false thinking that leads ppl to believe that the Law was abolished. The Old Covenant was indeed abolished, but the Law is the contractual terms of the covenant, not the covenant itself. The _contract_ is what was abolished, not the terms. That is why the same exact principles and commands exist in the Second Testament.
I by no means grew up in the faith. I picked up a Bible for the first time when I was 30 years old. Naturally, as any Christian I started in the New Testament. Why? Because "we are under a new covenant".... I read it all, from Matthew to Revelation and a lot of questions were raised. I then decided to read the Whole book. Of course I did a lot of Bible study provided by the SDA guys on RUclips, but I could not connect the studies to the scriptures and the strange cross references to prove that the "Law was done away with". So I did all I could. I prayed for guidance, and God heard and granted. Now I am learning HIS ways, and I have much to learn but everything makes so much more sense. Praise YAH for His Loving Kindness and Patience. And may Workers such as David continue to reach those who have an ear to hear. Shalom Brother David, thank you for your patience in making these videos.
Agreed, it all makes more sense when we learn more of His Truth...and the contradictions start to go away.
Another great video. I appreciate how gracious you are in approaching brothers and sisters who disagree with us. You're an inspiration and a good example of how to lovingly disagree. As a very passionate person I am not always as good at this.
Thanks for that encouragement, bro.
@@DavidWilberBlog I have a question brother
This is such a great video, you broke it down so well! I love Yeshua and His law!❤
Thank you so much!
That verse in Hebrews is a slam dunk. How can anyone get around the author validating the Torah? But they sure do try.
Torah is repeated in Matthew 23:3 when Yahushua commands us to observe what the scribes and Pharisees tell us to do. It connects to Acts 15:21 since they were in the seat of Moses.
Laws of Yah controversies of the Gospels are on issues of Halacha (based on biblical commandments (mitzvot), subsequent Talmudic and rabbinic law Halacha teaches how to behave between others and God)
The N.T. uses paradosis for Jewish Halachah (Rabbinic rules for walking out Torah): For example see Matthew 15:2,3,6; Mark 7:3,5,8,9,13. Paul uses it in a negative sense in Colossians 2:8 “tradition of men,” and in a positive sense for his own instruction as to how believers should walk (1 Cor 11:2; Gal 1:14; 2 Thess 2:15; 3:6).
If only mainstream protestant christians could understand this concept.... there would be ONE church instead of 47,300 "denominations".
Shabbat shalom
I would love to hear your explanation of hebrews 8 about the new covenant and why Jesus said, in Matthew 5, nothing would change in the law until all was fulfilled and then listed changes in the next 27+ verses. It's a big change in the law from thou shalt not murder your neighbor, to you can't be angry with or hate your neighbor.
Do you have my book, "Remember the Sabbath"? Also, I have a video on Hebrews 8 where I read an excerpt from Dr. Jesper Svarvik, FWIW.
@@DavidWilberBlog can you give me the title of the hebrews 8 video? I saw your debate on the sabbath with Solberg and think you lost so I won't buy your book. Repeating "if you love me keep my commandments" and not reading on in John to what His commandments are doesn't cut it. Jesus also points out in John, that He's talking about two different sets of commandments.
@@mikepotter1291 The title of the video is "Dr. Jesper Svartvik on Hebrews 8:13." Regarding the claim that there are "two different sets of commandments," I already addressed that in the video. Merely repeating objections that have already been refuted is not persuasive or fruitful. You need to actually address the arguments. I hope you'll reconsider getting my book. I think you would find it helpful. Blessings!
The word "fulfil" in Matt 5:17 is grossly misunderstood. The word is "plēroō" and in the following words (sermon on the mount) our Savior did just that! He added detail and further explained the laws of Yahweh.
It's such a simple concept it repels the mind...
Shabbat shalom
The next 27 verses of Matthew 5 aren't changes in the Law, he was targeting specific misinterpretations that were circulating in his day.
Leviticus 19:18
“You shall not take vengeance, nor hold any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD."
Exodus 23:4-5 ESV
“If you meet your enemy’s ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him. If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall rescue it with him."
His first mistake is thinking a perfect law would be bondage.
Thank you for addressing the last part about Hebrews and the heavenly priesthood. Its actually something ive been going over and contemplating at this time in my study of the Word. Its very helpful!
You’re welcome! I definitely recommend the papers I quoted from Thiessen and Moffitt for more on Hebrews.
Shabbat shalom, David. I pray that you and your family are well brother. Thank you for the edifying video. Sabbath Mic Drop!!! Stay safe and well brother. Sabbath blessings. David (UK)
Thank you, my friend. Shabbat Shalom!
Great teaching. Something for some to think about: When Yeshua gives The Sermon on the Mount he is giving the true application of the original commandment given. Like do not commit adultery has always meant, do not look upon a woman with lust. Job knew this already was true. Also, if Yeshua brought a new set of Commandments he would be adding to, which we are commanded not to add to nor take away from. Yeshua was with the father from the beginning before the foundations of the Earth. Everything commanded through Moses the Son also agreed with, as he said i am in the father and the Father is in me..
Amen David!!!!! Thank you!!!! Great video
You truly have the heart of David. God bless you.
Great video... and I love your koala T-Shirt!
Another excellent discussion and completely reasonable explanation of the topic.
Everytime i get confused by mainstream church teachings about the Torah, i always go back to Matthew 5:17-20. Our Master was the one speaking here. He would not contradict Himself.
I'd suggest you're both in error as Paul explains how to, “rightly divide The Word of Truth” in a single verse in his letter to the Galatians. Those who have studied the Scriptures need only fill in the answers to the questions. Galatians 3:19 “What purpose then does the law serve (WHICH LAW IS PAUL REFERRING TO)? It was added (WHAT WAS ADDED AND WHAT WAS IT ADDED TO?) because of transgressions (WHAT TRANSGRESSION?), till the Seed (WHAT SEED) should come to whom the promise was made (WHO WERE THE PROMISES MADE TO); and it was appointed through angels (WHO GAVE THE BOOK OF THE LAW?) by the hand of a mediator (WHAT MEDIATOR?).” If we fill in the items Paul is referring to it reads like this: Galatians 3:19 (Paraphrased) “So what purpose then does The Book of the Law (GALATIANS 3:10) serve? The Book of the Law was added because of transgressions against The Father’s Covenant Law (EXODUS 20:1-17 / EXODUS 32:19), till Christ (GALATIANS 3:16) should come to whom The Covenant of Promise was made (HEBREWS 6:13); and The Book of the Law was appointed through angels, by the hand of Moses (EXODUS 20:18-19).” Thus, we are no longer under The Book of the Law but The Father’s Eternal Law (Exodus 20:1-17), which will be binding until heaven and earth pass away, just as Christ stated (Matthew 5:18). May you be blessed in your pursuit of truth.
Yeah, you're just regurgitating Matthew Nolan's and David Perry's unbiblical "Book of the Covenant vs. Book of the Law" nonsense. I refuted this idea of his years ago here: davidwilber.com/articles/matthew-nolan-and-david-perrys-melchizedek-doctrine-subtracting-from-torah
Flawless victory!
Although I am not a trinitarian, I agree that the law is to be followed.
I'm glad we agree that the law should be followed. You should watch my video on Hebrews 1 titled "The Divine Son." Maybe I can persuade you toward trinitarianism. At least worth considering my exegetical arguments? Blessings!
If Yeshua, did away with the law ; then what am I saved from and why do I need a Savior now? I don't have to worry about the law because I walk in the law of liberty. Before I sinned because I was a sinner. Paul refers to the law as signpost. Just as if I'm driving down the street and a cop is behind me . So I need not worry if I'm obeying the traffic laws. I'm not under the law as long as Im obedient to the law.
Time stamp 5:40... "...Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me..." HE would have to have " A Will to do different" to have Commandments of HIS OWN... And men would have to contradict HIM, to say anything Different... "...Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me..." "...Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me..." These are just a few "Words in Red" as a Witness that HE did not make Commands of HIS own...
His Opening statement... Did he not read believe, and understand The Words of The Messiah... "...Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God..."
It is actually in fact, our love for God That causes us to want to keep his commandments...... And are love of the truth that allows us to know what those are.......
That man is so hard headed bro.
Time stamp 3:52... "...Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me..." Words in Red that say HE did Not bring "New Laws"... Here is another... "...Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me..." More Words in Red that say anyone claiming HE brought HIS own "Rules" are actually contradicting HIM... There are more, but If he won't hear these he won't hear those either...
So can you be saved at the judgement if you don’t follow the law? Is grace void if we don’t follow his laws? Which laws? The feasts too?
Every one of god's sabbath's new moons and festivals all point to Yeshua..... What he has done for us to fulfill the law, And what he is going to be doing Upon his return....... So if you're not keeping these in the law, then you are missing how god is revealing things to us.
Great video. Well explained
David, Michael does not take in to consideration Deuteronomy 13 when he says Jesus created new law and did away with God's law.
When he says at 3:52 there are two sets of commandments, isn't that a form of Marcionism with two gods?
Jesus said "get away from me you workers of lawlessness " ..... What Law do you think he was talking about?.....
Thanks for the comment. But judging the hearts of Christians (comparing us to a hypocritical brood of vipers who have no love or fruit), merely because we have a different view than you, is not loving and displays poor fruit. I think Christians who disagree with me about the Sabbath are sincere and are living out Scripture to the best of their understanding. Christians who do and teach the Sabbath are doing the same. We keep the 4th commandment because we love Jesus, and that's what we believe he wants us to do. That's all. Blessings!
Amen brother!
Did he forget Yeshua is a priest after the order of Melchizadech so there's no issue?
No, people who love the law do not hate Jesus at all. It is His death on the cross and resurrection that has saved our lives so...... We love Yeshua.... But what we realize that you seem to not Understand is that you cannot separate God from his law.... His law is literally his character. In scripture, The book of the torah is not laws it is actually called instructions.... Teachings...... It's directly translated in the words..... These are all God's ways. So when we are to live in God's ways. How do we know what those are......? Well we knew what those are from His laws...... Otherwise without those laws we know nothing else about him people......... Do you understand that...... Even the actions he took toward people in the Bible were all according to his ways and laws. So if you don't understand those you do not understand him.......He is the same yesterday today and forever, And all those things that make up His law and what He IS in Righteousness, don't change either...... In the book of revelation, it describes the saints as those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua.... So brothers and sisters we are expected to know And have both..... Read the book of revelation it says here is the perseverance of the saints........ And then it goes on to say they have both the testimony of Yeshua and God's word in his commandments that they keep....... Our lord (faith) and his righteousness (obedience)..... In zephania 2 it even says Seek the lord all you humble of the earth, Who keep the commandments of god, Seek righteousness, Seek humility, And perhaps you will be hidden in the day of the lord's anger........... And John repeatedly says if you love me you will keep my commandments. There is a direct connection between us and god's words instructions and commandments. .....
You cannot separate His law from Him it is his character. There is mercy and justice sown into His law because those are the foundations of His throne. And sadly, Any one who does not keep Gods ways..... The ones that apply to them..... And I say ways not laws because many of these ceremonial laws are not to be kept any longer because of god's sacrifice on the cross...... But many many others of the law are to be kept..... Such as the sabbaths and the new moons..... His festivals..... The Jewish people were Exiled out of their own land by god because they didn't uphold the schmita years of forgivness..... In god's law, he requires every seven years for all debt to be forgiven and every forty nine years a jubilee of the same..... God is a god of forgiveness........ And generosity........ So obviously he wants us to keep his seven and forty nine year Jubilees...... So what people are saying is that he wants us to keep these jubilees, but we don't have to keep anything else because if he's punishing people for not keeping the jubilees, he obviously wants them to be kept...... No brothers and sisters, Everything that is within our power within God's word we are to walk out.... So if you are not a woman, Then the laws about women do not pertain to you..... If you are not a fighting age man, The laws on war don't apply to you...... If you are not a priest..... Those laws don't apply to you my point is whatever does Apply to you..... Keep. God calls us a peculiar people set apart. .... Do you think that's going to mean we're going to look like everyone else..... Sound like everyone else..... Act like everyone else????? No set apart means set apart and peculiar means odd off weird..... For lack of a better way to put it. Keeping the sabbath on Saturday definitely sets you apart from most of the people in your life. Trust me..... Brothers and sisters following after the God of the universe is not going to look like what everyone else looks likehere on earth..... Because people here on Earth are going wayward. So the more we draw close to God, the less we're going to look like world........ Come out of her my people!!!!!!!! Think about this....... That statement I just said...... That's a command.............................
I would be very careful when speaking of the Torah (instructions of Yah in Hebrew) He says they are Forever His Holy days are dress rehearsal for his bride . Yahusha Ha'Mashiach is the walking Torah and the Sabbath is the Fourth commandment and He even sacrificed it , and now scientists have proven on the 7 day your heart slows down and man thinks they can get out the natural law of Him who created all things.
Not sure if I understood properly but did he say the levitical priesthood still applies today (near the 8:40 mark)
The point is that the Torah's laws concerning the Levitical priesthood still apply to the Levitical Priesthood on earth. The "change of the law" does not affect the earthly priesthood or the Torah's laws concerning the earthly priesthood. I did not mean to imply that the laws concerning the Levitical Priesthood could be practically applied today in the absence of a temple cult in Jerusalem.
@@DavidWilberBlog is Jesus’ priesthood through the order of Melchizedek greater then the Levitical priesthood? Who is our High Priest who offered Himself as a Lamb for the sins of the world? The shadow is not equal or greater then what comes after which is the actual being. The Levitical priesthood is not greater then the priesthood of Melchizedek which is able to cleanse us of all our sins in the past, present, and future. The law showed us just how sinful we are and how bad we needed a Savior. The law is well known by Christians today because we accept all scripture to be sound. We study the Torah, the Prophets, Psalms, and wisdom because it’s the word of God. Jesus did not destroy the law so that we Christian’s never learn about it but He fulfilled it so that we didn’t have to. This is why the man Christ Jesus came to earth. To be obedient to the law and to go up on the cross completing The Fathers will 🙏❤️
@@eliasvalle8241 Yes, Jesus's heavenly priesthood is greater than earthly priesthood. But the reality of Messiah's priesthood in heaven does not negate the role of the Levitical priesthood on earth (Heb 8:4-5). The two two priesthoods perform entirely different functions.
@@DavidWilberBlog if you read Hebrew 8:6-9 you read that the old covenant wasn’t perfect so God created a new covenant which is superior to the first. You can remain in the first if you’d like but the levitical priesthood is no longer relevant. I hold on to the new covenant which comes through the order of Melchizedek with a perfect Lamb of God who is now a mediator between man and God.
@@DavidWilberBlog There is no more Levitical priesthood. Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. Hebrews says a change of the law necessitates a change of the priesthood also.
Are you saying God doesn't mean what He says? Because that line goes back to the garden.
Yeah Yeshua himself was called according to the priesthood of melchizedek...... I believe that was shem. ..... But i'm not totally sure and not much in scripture supports that...... But it does say in Scripture that Yeshua Was called according to the priesthood of melchizedek, which means that it is A different Kind of priesthood that allows someone to be from both the house of judah and the house of Levi..... Incidentally, Mary's lineage actually is from both houses believe it or not..... Joseph lineage actually only goes back to the house of Levi. I believe but mary goes back to both levi and judah..... Causing Yeshua To Be both a king and a priest...... Our high priest.
no one is declared righteous in GOD'S sight by observing the law
Correct. Christians believe we are declared righteous by faith in the Messiah. The reason Christians observe God's law is not to be declared righteous but because we've been declared righteous. Blessings!
We don't keep the Law to try to be righteous. Jesus did that for us. However, after we have faith (salvation) then the Law helps us walk out (sanctification).
Jesus didn't free us from bad law he Fred us from a weak law Romans 8
Of course the law is perfect but it never made anything perfect Hebrew 7:18-19
Our high priest is after Melchisedec
It's not borage but a burden
There is no human that ever kept the 10 commandments and was righteous before God
Romans 3:10-19
We follow the law of Christ which is the nature of God
You follow the law ordained angels ordained that man can not flesh cannot perform only to revive sin in all manner of concupiscence
Hi Andrew, Yahushua HaMashiyach came to pay the debt for on Sin. (Cherigrahion) He is our sacrifice for Sin. Too reconcile us back to YaHuWaH our Father. We don't sacrifice animals for our sins. Yahushua paid once n for all. But Torah-law does apply to us, How would we know Right from wrong. I don't believe thst we can keep the whole 316. It doesn't apply to us all.
1 Samuel 2:27-36
Those are very unthought out statements! My goodness! All you have to do is read what is in the Bible.
Can you make a response to the anti nomian videos by the channel abide in the word. He is also a small channel but he has made a lot of videos attacking the Law which he calls is the law of sin and death. He recently made a video attacking 119 ministries and making a lot of false accusations against them
I'll take a look.
You lost me in the end, but the law went from the letter to the heart (spiritual) from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart. Therefore the priesthood was changed as well as the law. Keeping the law in our hearts. Shalom
I don't disagree that the New Covenant writes the law on our hearts. That does not negate the Levitical Priesthood though. The author's point in Heb 7:12 is that the laws pertaining to the Levitical Priesthood do not restrict the Messiah from being a priest because his priesthood is in heaven.
@@DavidWilberBlog I really really REALLY don't think the law of Yah is written on people's hearts today. If it were we'd see evidence and not having to learn of them.
Shabbat shalom
@@DavidWilberBlogthe priesthood changed from Levitical to Melchizedek.
Search Eliyah Ministries, The Book of Hebrews Teaches Torah (Law) Observance - Part 1
And so, this commandment here in Hebrews chapter 7 that is set aside is a specific commandment in the Torah- that only a son of Aaron can function or enter this holy place. And so, that is the commandment that is annulled because of its weakness and unprofitableness.
The command regarding that only the sons of Aaron can enter in was weak and it was not profitable because it required a succession of when one priest dies, a new one would take its place.
And it was called a “fleshly command” because it involved and required the expectation that someone is going to die, and then someone else is going to have to take the place of the other.
Whereas, Yahushua, He is a High Priest. He has an endless life. And therefore, He is not subject to that.
The fact that the place where the law was written changed does not mean the law itself changed. If i took a law that was written on a piece of paper and typed it onto a computer screen, does that mean the law changed? No.
Good video David
(Joh 5:19 KJV) 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
(Joh 5:30 KJV) 0 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(Joh 6:38 KJV) 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
(Joh 7:16-17 KJV) 16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
(Joh 12:50 KJV) 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
(Joh 14:10 KJV) 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
(Joh 14:24 KJV) 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
These verses should be self evident that Yeshua came to speak what the Father told him.
They are in fact one !
Tommy
The Torah of Yah is the upmost important of living in natural order of the divine creator Period! Yahs Torah not the jews Torah , they add to the word and the Christians take from and the Muslims and the catholic have their own book Yah never changes and neither does Yahusha , but there are many that believe a man instead of seeking truth . Sunday worship, christmas, , halloween valentine , etc are all from pagan worship we are mystery babylon and under roman rule but who will listen or call out to Yah. We are in the days of Noah where the people believe they are gods just as in the garden and they are quick to seek the serpent on the pole and to go with the top of the line technology to make them more depended on the snake that bit them in exodus
Hebrews 7:12 literally says a "CHANGE" in the law. You want to assert that since Jesus' service is in heaven, it doesn't change the law here on earth....but the verse literally says the changing of the priesthood requires out of necessity a change of the law. The display of blindness in this video and the comments section on this verse is quite frankly a lesson in the cognitive and emotional process of denial. Most people can see their error; only those within cannot. Hebrews goes on to say that the old covenant (which includes the Levitical priesthood) was obsolete and "passing away", leaving on the priesthood of Jesus.
Thanks for the comment, but merely repeating objections that have already been refuted in this video is not interesting or persuasive. As the Christian scholars I cited point out, your interpretation contradicts Heb 8:4, where the author continues to assume the validity of the earthly priesthood. I definitely understand your confusion with the term "change," but remember, the NT was not written in English but Greek. Regarding the word translated "change," as Dr. Thiessen points out, "The noun μετάθεσις means 'transformation' or 'translation,' while the verb μετατίθημι means 'to transfer' or 'to translate.' Most relevant, though, for the use of this word within the discussion of an earthly and a celestial priesthood is the author’s use of μετατίθημι and μετάθεσις in his treatment of the faithful Enoch: in dependence upon Gen. 6:24 LXX, he interprets it, as was customary, as evidence that God translated or transformed Enoch so that he could move from the terrestrial realm to the heavenly realm without experiencing death. It is this same transformation or change that the author envisages with regard to the laws of priesthood. That is to say, the laws of the earthly priesthood do not apply just as they are to the celestial cult-they must be transformed. What qualifies one to be a priest changes when one moves from the terrestrial cult, where mortals become priests through genealogical descent, to the celestial realm, where the mortal simply cannot exist....Hebrews claims that the cultic regulations have changed because there has been a change in location-from terrestrial to celestial."
Hope that helps!
@@DavidWilberBlog Thanks for your response. No, that doesn't really help because the author of Hebrews goes on to say the existing commandment was disannulled in Hebrews 7:18, just 6 verses later.
Hebrews 7:18
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
The commandment was disannulled (ἀθέτησις) which means: abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection. This "disannulling" refers to the existing commandment. The existing commandment that required a Levitcal priest was PUT AWAY.
@@goldenarm2118 The specific commandment regarding priestly descent is indeed "put away" *as it concerns Christ's heavenly priesthood.* Here is Dr. Thiessen on why 7:18 does not say what you think it does: "In Heb. 10:28, the author cites scripture regarding what is to happen to one who does away with the law: “Anyone who annuls the law of Moses” (ἀθετήσας τις νόμον Μωϋσέως) dies without compassion “upon the testimony of two or three witnesses.” Here he refers to the legal requirement that one cannot be put to death unless the testimonies of more than one person support the accusation (Deut. 17:6; 19:5). The author’s quotation of this passage demonstrates, at the very least, that he believes in the continuing applicability of this particular law. In terms of the judicial requirement for more than one witness, Hebrews is not alone among early Christ followers (cf. Mk 14:55-59; Mt. 18:16; Jn 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1; 1 Tim. 5:19).8 But the author’s commitment to the Jewish law goes further: he continues to believe that the person who annuls the law of Moses ought to be put to death.9 For the author, Jewish law observance is so important that the rejection of it merits death. None of this thinking does the author undermine or dismiss. In fact, using a qal wahomer argument, he bolsters his own declarations about the seriousness of rejecting the son of God (v. 29). If breaking the law of Moses merits the death of the transgressor, how much worse must the punishment be for the one who spurns the son of God? If the author believes that the Jewish law no longer remains valid, then Deut. 17:6 and 19:5 no longer apply: that is, no longer must one be put to death for breaking the law of Moses. And, if this is the case, his claims about a greater punishment for the one who rejects Christ unravels...Readers might wonder whether the author himself is guilty of the very thing that he here asserts makes one worthy of death, for in Heb. 7:18 he argues that there is an annulment (ἀθέτησις) of the legal requirement that earthly priests must descend from Levi. If the majority of interpreters is right in claiming that the author dismisses the ritual and cultic law, then the author would indeed stand condemned by his own words. As I shall argue, and as one can see from Heb. 8:4, the author does not intend to suggest that this law (or any other) is annulled per se, only that it does not hold once one moves into a different cultic sphere."
The verse is clearly referring to how the law is administered. Study 2 Cor. 3, and you can see the "change" Paul is referring to in Heb. 7:12. Hebrews illustrate what Paul talks about in his other letters, and vice versa. That's why ppl need to stop trying to isolate Paul's words in 1 letter and understand all of his letters within their proper context. They all explain each other because's he's 100 consistent in what he taught.
Based on an exegesis of Hebrews 7:11-12, Matthew 5:43 is not Matthew 5:44, and Matthew 22:39 is not John 13:34.
Coward. A ShadowBan on RUclips is a sneaky tactic that a creator uses to limit the visibility of a commenter on a creator’s videos without the commenter knowing. An exegesis of Romans 7:7-13 proves that you are in the spirit of error Da'vid.Wilber.
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Acts 28:25-27
The thing that was nailed to the cross with Yeshua..... That was the curses that the law brings us if we break them. God made us. He knows how we operate at the very molecular level, So he knows telling us to live A certain way is in accordance with his natural patterns and laws Keeps us healthy and safe because he made us. He knows what will keep us healthy and alive. When we live away from that, we are going off of God's ways and his patterns and therefore by very definition, Hurting ourselves and slowly dying....... That's why he says choose this day whom you will serve..... That day they were being offered life.... Choose this that you may live...... People think it's just spiritual but I think it's physical too..... And this is why they started dying in the garden. It wasn't that day, but none of them lived beyond a thousand years and a thousand years is to as a day and a day as a thousand years to god, so they literally did start dying and died within the first day........ To god. So he says in his word. If you don't keep my words, you will be cursed. But that's because we are just walking away from the natural ways of things...... The curses literally consequences of our actions...... Not god putting some voodoo thing on us...... And when he took the cross, he took all our sin and that curse that was attributed to us for having sinned..... Many people in the mainstream Christian church who don't want to live according to God's ways and laws think that the law was nailed to the cross. But it says that nowhere in scripture.... What was nailed to the cross where the curses that came upon those with sin........ The curses were nailed to the cross so that we don't have to have them as a consequence any more because we covered by his blood. But the law..... It's still one hundred percent intact. When god says he came and fulfilled The law..... That means he lived it out to perfection..... Not one job or title of the law was changed or broken in Yeshua's life..... So any one who is seen by god through the blood of christ, Is seen as Blameless...... Because the curses were nailed to the cross.......not the law!!!
Am I free to kill . Have other gods ect
I showed you, David Wilber, in a comment on another video that Mt 5:17 - 20 has to bee understood within the time frame it was spoken. Jesus said these words while living under the Mosaic Covenant. After his resurrection (and the beginning of the New Covenant), Jesus asserted that "all was fulfilled". Thus, since Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets, a jot and tittle can now pass from the law. In fact, animal sacrifice and the need of a Levitical High priest, among other things, have passed from the law.
Yes, you have made this argument before and you are repeating it here. But merely repeating objections that have already been refuted is not interesting or persuasive. As I explained before, the immediate context of Matthew 5:17-20 and the overall thrust of the sermon on the mount preclude the antinomian interpretation. For a fuller treatment, see chapter 1 of my book, "Remember the Sabbath." Hope it helps!
Do you guys realize that Yeshua Kept his own law..... He went to the Synagogue on sabbath, He kept all the feasts, Whenever any one of them taught about the law all they had was the torah...... There was nothing else in existence and nothing they taught out of came from anything else but the torah and the prophets...... The law and the prophets... Absolutely nowhere in scripture do we see any change of worship from the seventh day to the first day of the week....... My point of bringing that up is that none of Yeshuas habits from what he was taught from the torah to live out everyday changed after he rose from the dead...... It says that they gathered on the first day of the week, but it doesn't say that's when they regularly worshipped...... Nothing changes the worship of the 7th day. Because that was the day God rested from all his work, That was the day he made holy, And the sabbath day is mentioned in God's word As something we will keep perpetually throughout all our generations. And it even goes further in Scripture to say that the keeping of these commandments and Sabbath's and new moons.... Will be a sign or a Seal between you and your god....... You want to know what and where the seal of god is found...... Look in the fourth commandment...... Looking Leviticus, where he talks about this being a seal between us in god forever........ A seal is the sign of authority from someone. It's usually has their name their title and their dominion in it..... So our president would sign it abraham lincoln, President, Of the united states Of america..... His name.... His title..... What is dominion over........ I hope you're seeing that same pattern in the fourth commandment because it's there...... God, Creator, Of the heavenson earth and all that is in them and the sea and all that is in them....... Name, Title, Dominion...... The seal is right there and if you're not keeping god's laws you're not sealed........ These are to be kept through all our generations..... We are going to be going up to jerusalem to sukot year after year in the millennium...... So god obviously wants us to keep his ways....... Brothers and sisters..... Do not be deceived...... And I will send a warning out those who teach that says this in scripture for people to not keep God's laws and commandments. And if you teach people not to do that You will be judged heavier..... You will be the least in the Kingdom of God. That's what it says in god's word. He wants us to love his law because it's truth. The whole word is truth and it says in his word that they have not Eternal life because they don't have the love of the truth..... We need to love the truth.......... Do not be deceived brothers and sisters by people who tell you not to keep god's laws and god's ways....... Take this in prayer to him...... He will show you truth.
Your arguments aren't convincing. In fact, most scholars are more confused than certain of what they postulate as iron-clad truth. Just like PhD economists are less likely to understand how the actual economy works, so, too, are scholars with PhD's in Theology and Biblical Studies, less likely to grasp the Gospel truth. Is the Levitical Priesthood still operational? If not, then how are the aspects of the law administered by it still binding?
Your objection is not convincing. Biblical scholars typically know more than RUclips commenters. Regarding your question, I'd simply ask was the Levitical Priesthood operational during the Babylonian exile? No it wasn't, but that does not mean that the Torah was done away with at that time. If a road is under construction, has the speed limit law attached to that road been done away with? Of course not. It is just inapplicable for a time. The same logic applies to the Levitical Priesthood. As the Messiah and the author of Hebrews make perfectly clear: nothing will pass away until the present age passes away. Blessings!
1 Samuel 2:27-36 effectively ends the Levitical priesthood.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you that people with degrees and who are "scholars" know more than you.
Remember, God chooses the humble. His wisdom confounds worldly wisdom. And God is no respecter of persons.
Jesus chose fishermen and tax collectors as his disciples.
The "wise" pharisees (who should have known better) were largely blind to Jesus.
There are many wolves.
Rightly divide the word. Different people different timeline! Are you a Jew? Gentiles were never under the Law! Jesus did it all. You can not earn salvation! If that was so then why did Jesus die on the cross and defeat death? Jesus paid the sin debt that we could not pay!!! Live by the Law die by the Law! By the Law shall no flesh be justified! The Jews rejected! Dont reject Jesus's finished work on the cross. Jesus defeated death so we could have everlasting life!
Christians don’t keep God’s Law to “earn salvation.” We keep it out of love for Jesus because we’re already saved. Regarding God’s Law being only for Jews, the Bible disagrees. See my on the 119 Ministries channel titled “Is the Torah for Gentiles, too?” Hope it helps!
@@DavidWilberBlog if you try to keep the Law after you are saved than you have fallen from GRACE! READ Galatians!
@@DavidWilberBlog Jesus died and defeated death so we could live! The Law is what brings us to Christ! You are going back established the Law!
Galatians 3:10-13
[10]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[11]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[12]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[13]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Jesus defeated death and are nolonger under sin for all who believe! Live for Jesus The unsaved are under the Law of sin. Do you pick and choose what parts of the Law you follow??
@@carriebasso5075 If obeying God's laws causes us to fall from grace, then doesn't that imply that one must deliberately and consistently break God's laws to remain in his grace? That doesn't seem quite right.
@@DavidWilberBlogWell you can't break a Law that once save you are no longer under! if you do not believe that Jesus is enough and that you have to go back and do a Law that already brought you to God than maybe it's about you and not about God!
Going back to do a Law that we were freed from! The Law brings death! The Bible doesn't contradict! That why we rightly divide! Law was meant to be kept! The whole Law.
Hebrews 6:1,6
[1]Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[6]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.