Carbon Fiber Bicycle RTM Manufacturing at TIME Bicycles!
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- TIME Bicycles has developed a process that delivers perfection in every strand!
Their Braided Carbon Structures (BCS) involve the meticulous weaving of dry carbon fibers, while Resin Transfer Molding (RTM) securely bonds the fibers to form a resilient frame!
This cinematic masterpiece showcases the complete frame-building journey, highlighting the unmatched quality and expertise invested in every bike.
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I'm 77 & worked in racing and aircraft composites for may years, but this video is awesome! Most people have no idea how complex this is.
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Thanks. I have a few questions, hoping you'll take the time to teach me.
Resin transfer looks (to me) to have advantages over pre preg in better control of orientation of the fibers, since they are locked in a weave with no risk of them shifting during moulding. Presumably also less risk of voids. But on the other hand, maybe requiring a lowe fiber to resin ratio?
If Could it be an idea to combine the two methods with pre preg for simpler shapes (tubes) and resin transfer for the more complex ones (bottom bracket, headtube, seatstay/ seat tube/ top tube junction)?
On an engineering level - carbon fiber is pretty much only strong in the direction the fibers are running, and only flexible at 90 degrees to that direction. Getting a multi-layer carbon fiber piece to be *just* right in terms of rigidity and strength is really, really hard.
Wish you good health
That's a commercial I'm happy to watch.
Thank you Time bike company
idk man, that painter with improperly worn medical masks instead of proper, purpose built respirators makes my throat hurt.
@@Noname-rc8uc lol yeah I was like, that's not a proper respirator.
I have two! Best frames I’ve ridden in 40 years.
Вау! У меня не было ни одного карбонового велосипеда и я думаю над тем чтобы приобрести его. Неужели опыт настолько потрясает?
Another comment pointed it out already but they should really protect themselves against carbon fiber dust.
Protégez vous des résidus de fibre de carbone. Surtout quand vous poncez !
Surprised to see how much detail they allowed to be filmed!
Some of the best quality and most accurate frames in the industry.
On the other hand. I don't expect any bicycle manufacturer (not even Time) to use tech so cutting edge it has to be protected. Not sure I can imagine any of the other brand potentially copying them either. It is so labour intensive, they'd have to fire most of their marketing staff to afford the necessary manufacturing staff.
The beauty of the technology is the mix with the vectran fibres and the reticulation process…it’s stiff, continuous and confortable where you need. Wonderful bikes…
Feel like the paint does the core injustice, imagine how stunning a clearcoat would look
At the time it was built by Toyota, it was said that the LFA had parts built by one of only 2 carbon fiber looms in existence. I dont know if this is number 2, or if more have been made since then, but its always amazing to see them in action.
I legitimately thought that carbon frames were made using molds that would make the entire frame a single piece, like how they make boat hauls.
Show me a boat hull that's made up of a bunch of joined tubes. They're totally different animals.
Im so happy with my Time huez 24. Great frame, precise & comfortable & nervous
Absolutely perfect. Piece of tech art.
Magnifique vidéo, les passionnés vont adorer 😍
Great video, I've been working with composite materials for years and this video is impressive in the way the different processes for composites are used in the manufacturing of these bicycle frames.
sweet frames but everyone in that shop should be wearing respirators, carbon dust from trimming and sanding is carcinogenic, you really don't want to breath it or get it on your hands.
Even the painters weren’t wearing the right equipment. Sad.
very cool process but i was itching just watching this lol
Good thing about eastern Europe is that their working condition is actually worse than Asian manufacturers
If they don't care about their own health, then neither should you.
@@the6ig6adwolfIs it that they don’t care or don’t know and if they do know, maybe they really need that job to, say, feed their child which is supremely important. Today. Not 20 years from today when his doctor gives him the bad news. The people who are paying his wages and control his world 40+ hours a week have the legal and moral responsibility to provide a safe workplace and the funds to do it. Beware of simple answers to complex questions. Peace. ✊🏻
I am so happy to own and ride one of these
Great bikes, built to a quality few can match
Amazing
thanks for sharing!
So beautiful, so expensive, but clearly worth it.
Great video!
Definitely perfect, the brand of TIME the frame is very strong as army product.
This is great technology!
FANTASTIC WORKERS 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
And their management could care less about them pays them $20 hour supplies no protection or educates them on it very great workers terrible company sadly
Did not know this brand but their build looks impresive
Incredible 👍👍👍❤😊
Favourite bicycle brand, one day i will get a scylon
excellent
Wonderful video
Even if they are expensive passion is the driver here
Fascinating! Great video.
Wow... Makes me want to own a TIME bike. Spectacular....
Superbe !!!
Sweet.
Time and Look, best frames you can ride
15 years ago, maybe.
Owned Time, look 695, 795. Early Carrera steel, scandium , carbon. Legend queen Ti, 10.5 carbon. Zullo stainless etc. I personally have never ridden anything that compares to my WR Compositi bikes :) .
Very precise dimensional frame wall thickness control with lost mandrel technology. As a person who has been in over 20 carbon frame mfg facilities I can say that this one of the most unique methods in the industry and a strong difference between Time and any other Asian made carbon frame. IMPRESSIVE !!
Forget Asian made, I don't know of any carbon frame that isn't created using cut sheets of prepreg with overlap joints at mold lines. This kind of stuff is something I've always thought would be cool, but thought it'd be difficult to pull off in a proper production environment rather than just one-offs.
Makes me want to go out and buy a few of these frames knowing just how much work, materials and craftsmanship go into them 😂
Only two brands I've never had to warranty. Time and LOOK.
They seem to go easy on safety measures (no mask while painting, not always gloves while draping fibers...)
Anyways lovely to see those processes which are most of the time kept more secret.
Anyone knows how modern one-piece carbon cockpits are made ?
The only bike i would buy. There is no other brand cares this much of its product. 3T was producing similar like that but iguess they stalled a bit.
You have obviously never seen or ridden a WR Compositi :)
I was listing after one for a while, but ended up getting a specialized Roubaix as I ride rough roads. Hard to beat the future shock for comfort
It's so fantastic and hardworking for road bike!
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Nice...just wondering if all that carbon fiber weave makes the bike heavier than it needs to be?
Short answer is "no". Simply because the fiber is applied in just the places where it needs to be and is left out where it can be, from a structural point of view. A modern frame like that, with modern components in, is likely to fall under the regulation minimum weight for competition.
TIME is the only bike I would own today. They've never compromised quality. Seeing this video shows why they're the #1 design and manufacture.
I didn't know that we are having such a company in Slovakia
I think this shows the production in France, but it was moved to Slovakia. If thats true, you look at people who lost their jobs some time ago. You can hear french radio at 1:03. I bought my frame 2020 and it was already produced in Slovakia. But I am sure to the same high standard though.
I wonder if they can do a double layer
Time is good brand
Just take my money!!!!!!
where is your production situated? nice video btw
This is in Slovakia
すんごい・・・
The difference between a CARBON FIBRE frame and a "Carbon" frame.....Time = Timeless masterpieces.... 🙂
How do thay get the molds out
This reminds me very strongly of the Lexus LFA carbon fiber loom from.... 14 years ago now?
Hard casting wax. Of course. I always wondered how they rendered those molds. Beautiful process and craft. Great music as well. So many RUclips videos lack tasteful music.
I second that !
Do they use a wax core instead of a vacuum bag? Is that what melts out of the frame?
@@francescofoschi8941 yeah, it seems to be a very hard wax, similar to some waxes used in jewelry and other metal casting.
Dang, thats really a lot of high qualified manual work! No Wonder carbon frames cost an arm and a leg 😊
Don't crash your bicycle
Wow, so labour intensive. No wonder they are so expensive.
Time uses about 1/4 the labour hours that a chinese made carbon frame does. laying up prepreg results in far more finishing work. that's why it's not profitable to make conventional carbon frames in the west.
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Oceangate. "Write that down!!!!"
Карбон действительно так прочен, как об этом говорят? Или прочность зависит от использованных компонентов и технологии изготовления? Вопрос задан потому, что есть некоторые сомнения по поводу продукции малоизвестных китайских брендов.
Красивое
Knit me bicycle I'll be back for breakfast. Woof!
Can't believe they're cutting and smoothing carbon fiber with bare hands. Carbon splinters are almost invisible and impossible to see to remove. Ouch, been there. Beautiful hand crafted production.
Is the wax inside the frame??
No it's melted out
Yes it's melted out
you can see in the video when it's melted out in the oven
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I better understand now why the price tag is about ! ❤
wow.... this carbon tube weave looks way better than those using the older style carbon sheet layering method (that's used by most chinese manufacturer).....
Wish i can afford one though.....
It remember me Pakistan cast iron workers videos. So eye pleasing but I am very doubt workers are happy of breathing all that vapor of epoxy compound every day.
Uaah, please wear better protection, especially when applying paint or clearcoat!!!
that is nice mass production carbon fiber 3D element. and not just sheets and cardboards.Using wax instead of bags and prepeg carbonfiber is really nice movement.
I have question. I know is not your field. But instead of put layer after layer tube to achive let say 5mm. Can you manufacture 5mm tube? on this step 0:35. Instead going one layer use another 3 layers. I mean think like is cube (m3) instead of square(m2)
How much money for one of these bikes?
These frames are a little over $3000
what is the material of the melted core at @2:33
wax, they put carbon araund wax core and put it into the mould, after the hot melt the wax and make hard the carbon
milk
some say vegans wouldn't be so happy on TIME
@@SonnyDarvishzadeh he's never happy anyway.
@@SonnyDarvishzadehI'm guessing it's paraffin wax, nothing to do with animals
Really cool technology but the employees should wear gloves and other PPE
Sure but that’d be less profit…
If you can take the time or effort to properly protect your workers why should I trust you take the time and effort into making a bike frame?
Cool but too labor intensive, hopefully this can be 3D Printed soon with the same toughness and specs and with customization possible.
holy shit balls
I still love my iron frame 🚴♂️🚴♂️🚴♂️☝️
That's an old video. None of the frames have integrated cables, some are rim brakes still. I also recognize the old Slovakian dude from another video.
Can you post a newer video, now that ownership has changed?
The current line-up do have integrated cables, and while they've recently done a limited run of the ADH with rim brakes, the core line-up is all disc brakes now.
What were the skinny white tubes they were running through the frame tubes then? Frame mouse spaghetti?
Blokes are sanding carbon fiber frame with a surgeon mask? WTF?
Interesting video, but the music makes it sound like they are saving the world or coming up with a cure for cancer.
Then the price makes sense
Specialized, Colnago, and all the other brands don't have tooling like that. This was proof TIME bikes are made better and worth the asking price.
Colnago/Specialized are made in China who comfortabley make the best bikes .. time are heavy and small tyre clearance.. like look and Lapierre they have a good marketing niche .. I'll take the colnago .
@@philipsimmonds1103 Cinelli
These are common tools of the composite manufacturing industry. Nothing proprietary.
Получается внутри она не карбоновая рама, а пластиковая!?.. 🤔
1:50 罐
"marketing"🃏
looks like giant not the only one who knit their carbon fiber sheet form carbon string..
Giant makes their own prepreg, and then they makes frames like everybody else, by layering bits of pre preg.
Time is the only one to infuse resin onto carbon fiber cloth weaved on a wax mandrel like that.
@@pierrex3226 doesnt it increase the weight?
Уважаю людей рабочих специальностей, а не чиновников
Isn't carbon fiber carcinogenic if you sand it?
you are very knowledgeable about it
lungs rip
В итоге вам продают пластик, обклеенный карбоном.
В этом и смысл - прочность та же, а вес меньше
нет, карбон намотан на восковые ВЫПЛАВЛЯЕМЫЕ модели. и в ролике есть кадры как вытапливают воск.
@@ds1003 раз так, то беру
3:45 hey if this is you use this against your employer when you get cancer in 10 years
I would be really worried about the levels of airborne particles coming off of those carbon fibre strands. Actually this video just got worse and worse as I watched. One single person was wearing an FFP2 mask, and even he had a beard, which greatly reduces the effectiveness. Medical masks are for stopping large particles on the order of spit, not aerosolized ultrafines, and I cannot believe that you guys don't know this after living through a pandemic. This video was tragic.
Watching this video did the opposite of sell me a bike 😂like if you can’t take basic safety precautions why should I trust you can make a bike
So basically they are sewing bikes 🤔
Not Suitable for Under Water use
Most likely the people building these bikes cannot afford to purchase one.
Дедушка должен уже отдыхать на пенсии, а он продолжает горбатиться и дышать всякой гадостью. Жаль дедушку.
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Appreciate the craftsmanship here but it shows how manual and human error prone the products are. Wonder what kind of QC is being applied before shipping.
Too bad they don’t value worker protection more like another comment here. All that cutting and chopping and painting and coding and they’re just wearing cheap paper masks, that shit does not protect. You need to wear full face respirators.
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I don’t think this is actually carbon fiber
very interesting but very poorly filmed . rapid fire images makes,it impossible to,linger and absorb more in-depth visual information . it's a pity so many video producers use this attention crushing technique . i suppose they think it's cool
I like it, you just have to see what the video wants to be. I think it should convey a feeling, a kind of work of art. It's not about showing you all the details. The video is just art
Well that's a good point , hadn't thought of it that way .
but still to rapid fire for me .
I'm 78 & worked in racing engineering and aircraft composites manifestation for years and years, but this video is terrible! Most people have no idea how ridiculous this is.