Talking 767 MAX & 777-10 with Boeing’s VP of Marketing
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Chapters:
Intro - 0:00
737 MAX Update - 2:29
XLR Competition - 3:33
767 MAX? - 5:18
787F Difficulties - 6:38
787-10ER - 7:56
777X Cabin - 10:15
777X EIS - 11:48
777-10? - 12:48
777-8 Update - 14:00
777X Philosophy - 15:00
Closing Thoughts - 16:00
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Boeing: 1000nm more range on A321XLR is just a phantom.
Also Boeing: 500nm more range on 787-10 is a game changer.
And with auxiliary fuel tanks they could make the -10 a phantom. They just don’t want to
hose cargo and weight compromises airbus made.
And he gives lost cargo and bags capacity, like it is even taken into consideration on LH secondary routes. Like, what is seriously demand for cargo between Gothenburg and New York? I assume very low and those few LD3-45 containers will still fit in there.
If you can sit on a narrow seat for 9 hours you better have a bigger and heavier baggage 🛅 with you, and he didn't say it's a game changer than just an extra capability to the same type with no modifications
Range is a more important issue on widebodys
@@interstellaraviator6437you'd be surprised.
Wow, Coby, you're amazing in an interviewing position! You asked VERY INFORMED questions; it was obvious you knew what you were talking about. Thanks for this! I love your channel! (And you rock the beard/dress jacket look too.) :)
This is very professionally done. With some good interview questions. Its always nice to listen to flowing interviews that actually make discussion as opposed to canned questions! In the future you should use some harder hitting questions. It might generate some interesting debate lol
Putting those sales skills to good use here. Love it Coby
Its actually great to hear from an actual person rather than the “industry” and it really adds some insight. Loved this, great job!
Finally sm1 talking about the underrated 767, thank you!
Every seller in the world:"Yeah, our product is inferior but it's actually better"
But to be fair, interviewees are often asked to prove the benefits to their product even if it seems inferior to abother one which might make it seem like they are just saying "Our product is inferior, but it's actually better."
@@qc7112 Yeah, it was just a joke, I know that
@enricomontanari1390 Yeah, you're right though, that is generally what every seller in the world is like lmao
Great interview, Coby! Always happy to see RUclipsrs getting legitimate serious interviews.
A 767 Max would low-key be a brilliant move. I wonder if that is part of the reason why Boeing has continued production.
I won’t be flying on it that’s for sure… can’t stand the 767
I think they continued production because they still have orders
Reengineering an old design nothing bad can happen there....
@@sportsMike87True. The A320NEO is based off a type that came out in the 1980s. The 747-8 is based on a type that came out in the 1970s. Both are very safe.
@@Mmaulin12 Curious - what makes you say that? Economy is in a nice 2-3-2 config. If they can put some quiet, efficient engines, what's wrong?
You'd never know how young you are this was very professional and well done
Amazing interview. Kept the flow on just the right pace and asked hard but interesting questions. Great video to watch.
I think if Boeing Built a next gen 767 it'd be the perfect 757 replacement and also a great replacement for older 767s on routes with not enough demand for a 788 to be efficient. I could just see Boeing adding a 787 composite wing, The Genx/Trent 1000, sky/777x interior and other improvements 😁
Perfect A321XLR/A330Neo competitor, I think they'd sell like hotcakes.
You've got some fantastic interviewing skills! Good and intricate questions, the flow of conversation was nice (no one talked over one another) and the guest responded in kind.
Remember when Boeing was lead by engineers and not empty suits with good hair? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
And now I want summer sausage, smoked cheddar, and crackers😭😭
The last CEO , who retired due to the 737 MAX crisis was actually an engineer .
Boeing kills people for fun and tries to blame them for their deaths. 🤬🤬🤬
Boeing will still be in the top 3 after Airbus and Comac.
@@NotchNate Ah yes, Comac, the company which relies on parts from Airbus and Boeing...
Great job on pushing through with tough questions, Coby, especially on the 737max vs 320neo front.
While I understand that he needs to defend his product, I think the claim that only a very small percentage of narrowbody missions need the range of the neo LR and XLR is a bit logically flawed. Of course that number is miniscule precisely because aircaft capable of that specific mission did not exist before. Once sales and deliveries of the neo LR and XLR ramp up, surely the percentage of long range narrowbody missions would also increase. That's a market that Boeing, admit it or not, would be missing out on.
I agree with that take on the NEO. He just denies it’s worth it. Even when Airbus has been super successful at even stealing some of United’s basically all Boeing fleet
It exists! It's called the 757!
I agree, this fraction of a percentage of missions need the LR/XLR is flawed because there's no narrowbody aircraft capable for the new longer lower capacity routes the 14 airlines ordered the over 400 jets for.
Doesn’t matter to me because there is no way in h… I would take narrow body flight longer than 5 hours! That’s just insane!
I generally totaly agree but I don't know if thats a very big problem vor Boeing. I mean there are certain Max variants that have a relatively high range and the 787-8 is also relatively small and has a very long range. So my question: Would this small market (routes too long for the 737 and too small in passenger volume for the 787) be a reason for Boeing airlines to switch to Airbus? I honestly don't think so (except of a few exceptions of course). I don't think that Boeing will loose market share because of that. The only thing imagineable is, that some Airbus airlines may have bought the 787-8 or 737 Max before to fill in this gap and now Airbus has it's own variant to offer for it's own customers.
I think it was an excellent interview ! Very good questions ! Congratulations !
Great journalism. I can see this channel become one of the biggest aviation channels on YT.
I flew this week on A350 and 737 Max. The Airbus was soo quiet and smooth. The noisy 737 is just VW beatle with fresh paint.
And you compared old tech narrow body airplane to new tech wide body airplane which will never be make sense
@@Arkan_Fadhilathe 737 Max is old tech ? Internally it looks pretty modern?
@@strix1985 but the body is literally come from 60s just streched to accomodate more passanger
How do you compare a 737MAX to an a350? Who does that?
Congratulations on this very nice and informative video!✈
Great interview on both sides. Thank you for making this content!
One of my favorite aviation channel❤️
Great job Coby. Knowledgeable interview.
Fascinating interview. Well done.
What a great interview! Congrats, brother! Great job!
Thanks for the conversation.
Great interview. Many questions answered for this Boeing fan and aviation lover.
I’m looking forward to the Airbus interview as well.
This is excellent please do more of them
nice video
an i cant wait to see the inerview with airbus!
Great interview! Good questions and good information. One thing I wish you would have addressed was the issues with the Max aircraft's certification and how they're addressing that, but I guess that will remain a wish. lol
Wow coby has some interview skills!
Great interview.....sound information....❤
Interesting conversation regarding the Mid Market, single isle aircraft and the 767F. I have been thinking about, as I always do, the 757 and in particular a 757x, next generation. The aircraft everyone would want and the 320xxx killer.
When the 767 project was underway the 757 project came along with them making the choice to use commonality across the two aircraft. Seems to have worked out well.
I believe Boeings ace up their sleeve would be to reduce the diameter of the 787, down to a single isle, keeping the form identical with the sloped nose, etc. The wings should be resized to ensure the lift factor stays high to keep the 757's short and high alt field ability. The engines would be the question, but whichever engine is chosen, it would have to support short/high alt field capability. It would be lighter so a GEnx would be too much but a Leap isn't enough. I'd go for the GEnx with a little placard next to the throttles, pleading to not firewall them. ;-)
There would be a synergy between the 787/757x as there is with the 767/757, with a nod to the former. If I had Boeings attention, I would do everything I could to beat this idea into their heads because it would be a suitable next gen 757. A 32xxx killer and the plane everyone would want, like the 757. Even God wants a 757.
the 757 has to live on
Don't forget the screen door on your submarine...
This idea quitely make sense, at least for myself
Coby came ready to this interview 😅
Great job Coby. I loved your attitude, the directness and firmness in asking questions. In my opinion, a MAX/neo version of the Boeing 767 would undoubtedly be the icing on the cake for Boeing. I liked your directness regarding the rivalry between the Boeing 737 MAX and the Airbus A320neo. I think this kind of approaches, more direct and objective, are the key to make this kind of interviews more interesting and captivating. As for the "secret company" that will bet on a large scale in the Boeing 777X, my bet goes to Emirates (or maybe Qatar Airways, who knows...). I hope to see more interviews of this kind in the future, continuation of the good work.
Great content, well done
Really enjoyed this interview!
It will be Qatar Airways. The length was just about right, and they have one of the largest orders for the 777X.
Emirates as well probably.
Emirates is my guess, too.
@@oadka emirates is also my guess
Launch customer for 777-9 will be Emirates
It was supposed to be Lufthansa, but with so many delays and complains, Boeing decided to let Emirates be the new lauch customer
And it'll test it in mid 2024 before it'll start to operate it
I think the launch customer for the 777-10 or the 777-9 will be Emirates. One because they have a huge fleet of Boeing 777 aircraft.
(Edit) God damn its WW3 in the chat
No they want the A380NEO
@@antjeeDream on
He ruled out 777-10 ! with the stupid comment of the year " Frequency, just fly 2 of 787" by that logic -- or 3 A220s or 50 Cessna 150s
@@antjee I think that they´ll need a plane to replace their a380s. It probably won´t matter if it´s a 777x or an a380neo, the plane just needs to be similar sized so emirates can continue using their economical strategies.
@@EmilGisbrecht No there will be no 380 NEO. They way they will meet capacity needs is Dubai will finally finish out the build out of DWC so they can double departures from what's available at DXB. EK is pushing for that hard core now but they got to get all these goverment companies to agree. They are all part of the goverment.
Wish they had a 757-9 MAX or a 757-10 MAX
Great interview Coby!
You certainly know you industry Coby👍
I am usually not a fan of Coby. But I must say, he did a really good job with this interview. I was continually surprised and impressed at many points by how well informed and well spoken he was. And more than just informed of facts, he showed good understanding of the issues discussed. I'm not an expert, but I usually feel like I understand the aviation industry better than Coby does. Not in this one, this time he has me beat. This is certainly the best video I have watched on this channel. 👍
This was awesome!
Glad to know that great minds in Boeing are working really hard to make the ends meet!
Aha
nothing new to offer the market, a overweight 777-8 that no one will buy and no 777-10 because you can fly there twice in a smaller aircraft (maybe a A220)
@@qbi4614 bro you high or what? You are comparing a 777-10 to a220? plus the 777-8 is not an overweight aircraft....
Great video, minus the Nestlé water.
Emirates has GOT to be the launch customer, surely
the word was too long to be emirates sounded like singapore airlines
@@minisquad5633 Right? I was thinking the same, I am going with Lufthansa....
It´s Pan Am, for sure.
It can be Qatar Airways too, as qr seems to be very commited to Boeing and the 777X
On some website it states that Qatar airways is going to be the launch customer.
"how do you address the range gap between 73 vs 32?"
"Sure...by me denying its existence"
Peak marketing right there
Love your video’s! can you make some finnair videos?
VP of Boeing quickly refuted the A321 XLR saying it’s a niche plane but Colby didn’t bring up the 500 plane order by Indigo, even with the teething trouble they’ve had with the A321 NEO.
Well, anyone who wanted the capability of a a321XLR has already been able to get it. It is called a 757... Very Very Few used 757 on such routes. 757 were all bought for much shorter routes with larger passenger numbers + cargo. Key is the + cargo. Why the 757-300 never sold worth a damn. Couldn't carry the Pax + cargo. Though with new engines it could do so now. a321 has a smaller wing and why everyone is using it as the 757-200 replacement. Market has expanded since then so instead of selling 100-->200 757s for long routes, Airbus can probably sell 400 of such planes and why it is PARTIALLY feasible.
@@w8stral can't get 757s any more. XLR has 4,700nm range @206pax vs 3,915 @200pax or 3400 @243 pax.
Nope, there haven't been super-long, super-thing routes being flown by narrowbodies so far -
because until the XLR there weren't any narrowbodies that could do the job.
That’s because they only ordered 70 of the XLR, the rest of the order is normal Neos. So yes, the XLR still is very much a niche.
@@jameskjx Let me know of any route that wants PAX at long range and ZERO cargo... There is a reason 753 never sold worth a damn as this is EXACTLY what the XLR is... a people mover which carries ZERO cargo if you fill the extra 16,000 Liter fuel tank. In case you need help that is ~15t of fuel instead of cargo. Most air routes require CARGO to be profitable. Especially, especially LONG SKinny routes to out of the way destinations. So far, those who bought the XLR... almost all of them own 757's. Probably to mostly use on routes of ~sub 2000nm flights where they do not have to fuel up at one end of their destination as said destination has VERY expensive fuel.
@@FlyByWire1 Total order book for A321XLR is over 500 planes now. Customers include JetBlue, American, United, Air Canada, Qantas, Indigo among others. If it is a niche airplane it wouldn't have attracted so many orders. These are all very efficient carriers and they know what they are doing.
Good interview
767 is my most favorite plane of all time
767 Max could work great for replacing 757s or older 767s
can't wait for the airbus one too
The 777x launch customer was originally supposed to be Lufthansa if my memory serves. My guess would be Emirates now
Coby’s big time now!
You should of grilled him more he didnt asnwer your question with the 787-10 and a350-900
He is not that guy yet, let his channel grow more otherwise he wont be getting another interview like this again.
I will answer that. The 787-10 HGW simply means airlines like KLM , United , British airways and more , who operate dozens of 777-200ERs won't have to order the a350-900 as a replacement because the 787-10 will now be able to match is range and performance .
In simple terms , the 787-10HGW will steal away potential orders from the a350. Around 50-150 to be more precise.
@@mmm0404 thanks
777-9 first delivery will go to either Lufthansa or Emirates.
The 777x cabin is different than other new Boeing cabins, but there is a very similar story going on at Airbus too. The A350 is the only new Airbus with pivot bins, but the latest interiors for the NEO families and future A220s will have traditional bins
I hope that the 777x PSUs have FA call buttons and reading light buttons unlike the 787 and current 777 which the controls are baked into the IFE or armrest
Air Algérie 737-9 Max, can't wait to see it coming to reality
Coby please mention Air Algérie orders next week
So Boeing did a lot to the 767 Tanker. MCAS, some better screens and software; added some very old reliable engines so they would start when you pressed the button. They were about to close the line! 737s which are cheap and stretches of the NG with newer engines, but of course lack range compared to the 320 family; especially the 10 which can't fly the Atlantic with a load. I doubt that will matter? And every bodies favorite: the 777-X, which is years late and has a glitch in the flight control software because Boeing fired all the computer engineers! Boeing used to produce new aircraft faster than they try to roll out a modified old model, and we can expect that into the 2040s: wow, I can hardly wait! Still I enjoyed seeing the marketing type spin.
But airbus won't be producing any new aircraft type too till the 2030s. The XLR is not a new aircraft, the a220 was not designed by airbus
Yes I would. Nothing wrong with having a little extra spending money on vacation!
Coby, you are an excellent interviewer. When we hire for folks in Market Research, we look for individuals that ask probing questions that follow a learning agenda but who can also flex and adapt the conversation to explore different avenues. You did this really well, thank you for bringing us this interview.
This said, this Boeing dude... oof. I do not at all buy the "phantom" gap argument for the 320neo and XLR vs. the Frankenplane that is the 737. The reality is they dont have a successor to the 757 and they are at a competitive disadvantage for it.
777-8 is a new version of 777-300er, a composite light weight fuselage, large window, more improve range and a quieter engine. Wow! What a game changer.
But except for the cargo version, no airline orders it.....bad Boeing marketing
But the fuselage isn't composite... And thats the problem. It isn't that leightweight. And the A350-1000 does everything that plane does, but better. That's why it has so few orders
Launch customer will be Emirates he said it in another interview
Holy crap, how can I hear Boeing's VP talk for over 15 minutes and not ONE word on the 797/MMA?
Is this a different multiverse where the 737max is a success?
No nma, just truss braced wing aircraft moving forward aka 737 replacement.
Boeing has made it clear that they don't think there's enough technological advancement with real world impact to justify the 797/NMA. As posted below, they need a real leap forward tech to give a salable leap in stats. Thus the truss braced wing research.
BTW: As an addendum, the 737 Max is a success in this universe. They have like a 4000+ order backlog of them and IIRC it's well ahead of where NG orders were, even given the crisis. I just flew on one and they're great, muuuuuch better than the NG's as a passenger. Smooth, roomy, and quiet.
@@GarrisIiari I understand that.
What I want to know is why they said the contrary for eight years. The limits if the available technologies were well known even before the max was announced.
737 ultra next 🤣
@@azeoprop 737 double plus good... with sprinkles! 😁
How he answered that 737 Max question, about the A321 dominating, really shows you whats wrong at the Boeing company!! OMG, sir!, wake up and smell the coffee, all airlines are clamouring for the NEO product, and you are just sitting there dismissing its success!!
If you think there is something wrong at Boeing please tell us!
@@nickolliver3021 well there is
@@ant2312 there isn't anymore fanboy
Nothing much Boeing can do even if they wanted to. No new aircraft until the mid 2030's. The 737MAX IS STILL selling well thou
So cool
This IS what I call Quality Content. Congratulations for this video. Thank you Coby.
They need to start designing a new narrow body plane. Clean sheet design
is that what airbus should do as well. everything does not need to be clean sheet design every time
@@nickolliver3021 airbus wasn't mentioned, pipe down
@@ant2312 can't tell Me to pipe down if airbus are not mentioned
@@nickolliver3021 maybe not everyone values complacency like you.
@@sportsMike87 actually they do value complacency. What's your problem?
Still waiting for the 797....
Great video as always.Hope to see US carriers as the first launch customers. Would love to get to fly on it in the near future. Have a safe and fun 4th of July. A friend Lee Crolley, lll
margins on international flights are so much fatter than domestic. emirates/qatar/singapore almost always will be able to launch before the us because their orders are so much larger on these big boys.
Considering Boeing is sending a 777x to Emirates for test flights, surely they would be the launch customer?
that “middle of market” (B737 MAX vs A321 LR/XLR) response was very disappointing from Boeing. I was very interested over the past few years about what Boeing was going to do in response to the LR/XLR, but have never been able to find a concrete answer. Well, credit to Coby, I found it, but it turns out that it almost seems that they are avoiding the problem, saying that it won’t be a very big market segment and that small planes compromises on passenger capacity. But the thing is, isn’t that what this anticipated market is supposed to be, small passenger numbers on long distance flights?! This makes Boeing’s statement, at least in my opinion, flawed at best. Please feel free to discuss my opinion, would love to talk about it.
Absolute that was a pass, everyone seems to forget large orders for A321 NEO planes.
Had it not been for B787 Boeing would have been in serious trouble.
Uh, answer to that is called a 737 replacement with taller landing gear and a slightly bigger wing. 737's wing is maxed(pun intended) a321 has a larger wing than a320 and why it has the better PAX/Range. XLR is a joke as anyone wanting the XLR capability could have been using a 757 for several decades now. No one or should I say, almost NO ONE did so. Airbus probably will not lose money on it, but it won't be making money other than as a portfolio filler.
@@w8stralThe A321 and A320 have the same wing except their flaps. Yeah and all those 757 will get replaced by the XLR. And with the fuel efficiency the cost per seat is also so low that low cost carriers can work with them which is a completely new market.
@@Infiltator2 And no. a320/a321 Span is identical but the internals of the wing are all changed due to larger flaps and higher MTOW. Which means the outer form jigs are still applicable, all the pieces which have to be formed, and made up are different. LE slats and spoilers will be the same though. Uh no about fuel efficiency... if this were true then people would bu using 757 on said routes as their fuel efficiency per seat compared to a wide body is superior. There are VERY few 2500nm+ routes flown by 757 today. I think majority buying the XLR will have a central hub where fuel is CHEAP, uh CHEEEEEPPP, and want to be able to fly from CHEAP fuel to destination and BACK to CHEAP fuel without refueling on routes most likely dominated by PAX and no cargo around 2000nm==> 2500nm and maybe upwards of 3000nm so they only have to buy a small amount of EXPENSIVE fuel compared to CHEAP fuel or none at all.
13:44 Looks like Mr VP of Marketing has forgotten about one of their most loyal customers, BA! And before anyone says it, their 3rd runway will take just about as long as the 777-8 to enter service just to be approved so they do need the capacity without additional frequency.
I think you should have made follow up qustion how can two smaller planes replace one A380 on a route where there is slot availability for one plane if there isn't plan to make something that could fully replace an A380.
A 767X would be a great 2nd home for the GENX-2B, which had great potential, but the potential was wasted just because of how the 747-8 didn't sell like hotcakes.
The GEnx is too big for a 767 application unfortunately.
@@dmcr9525 if Boeing uses the same MLG from the 767-400 for their 767x, then it can fit a 747-8 engine underneath
I agree
I think Boeing could make a very efficient next gen 767, a perfect true replacement for the Legendary 757 too 😁.
New engines, the interior from the 777X or 787, latest avionics, new wing design taken from the 787, along with the slightly smaller less powerful GEnX-2B or a Trent 1000, LED lighting and they could make the fuselage from composites to lower weight if they wished.
@@bikerguychris33 there is no need to detune or shrink the GENX-2B. They can use the exact same engine as the 747-8. If anything, the main landing gear can be lengthened to fit that engine underneath, and that lengthened landing gear already exists on the 767-400.
These videos are better than DJs aviation 😜👍
a320 family, a330 neo and a350 (atleast for now) bigger and better than what Boeing offers, similar type rating and flying charecteristics, better range and fuel effeciency. Boeing has lost narrow body war but 777-X can be a game changer if it doesn't get into chaos like MAX
But the 787 is approaching 1800 sales , could hit 2000 by early next year , the a350 around 1000 and a330neo around 300 sales. The 777X has 350 sales so far.
So 777X + 787 = 2000+ orders
A350+a330neo = 1300 sales.
If there is any fuel saving it’s only because the Boeing under rates and carries more cargo
@@stevesmoneypit6137 the engine and material of the aircraft matters... carbon fibre and high bypass engines are the future
@@mmm0404 the 787 was launched almost 10 years before the A350 so of course it has sold more up to now doh!
@@presidentvladimirputin850 Uh, no. CF is limited by its matrix(epoxy). Right now 787 gained next to ZERO in its fuselage from CF. CF wings/empenage save a lot of weight. Even then, Only the use of Titanium in both A/B aircraft in the wing allows one to use CF. CF helps most in terms of surface smoothness and air friction compared to aluminum. It theoretically should make assembly cheaper as well. So far this last aspect has NOT happened. Maybe in the future this will happen. For now... Nope and we need a better matrix material than epoxy to actually use CF to its actual potential.
Launch for 777-X will be Emirates I think
coby looks hot cleaned up
Hello coby
And what about the B767?
Do you think that a Max version will be added to the fleet?
Yeah its called the 787-8
you didn't ask about a 757 replacement!
The fufutof boeing is a gift from nasa
Go Boeing! Yes!!
United.
I love how he pretends the regular A321NEO doesn't exist when comparing the range of the 737-10 vs the LR/XLR.
The a321neo is now offered as standard as the a321LR, if you don't want the extra range you just opt not to get the additional fuel tanks
Emirates is the launch customer for the 777-9.
Emirates is the launch customer fir 777X
I am a huge fan of the 767-200 and based variants. I know the -300 is the big boy in sales but the smaller frame just looks better in my opinion and everything about it is perfect. A Max/NEO version with a slightly redesigned wing with wings and bigger and more powerful engines would make perfect sense if sold at a reasonable cost, it would be a big hit with the companies with the oldest fleets of both passenger and freighter variants.
Need to look at the obvious 757 replacement. What is Boeing thinking!?
Launch Cus I bet is gonna be Lufthansa/ singapore
lunch customer of 777x is Lufthansa or emirates. At least give it a like coby
Lufthansa could be the launch customer too.
Why are you guys not moving your HQ to where your product is manufactured? Why Mr VP?
should of asked about a new 757
So he squasted the ideas about the 767 MAX and 777-10
Also will there still be a 787-9 HGW as well??
I think it's more likely the HGW is the -10. That's the plane that really needs the increased range more.
Yea but there’s stiff competition like the a350-900
@@CoDWiiPS3Gameplayalso noticed how he said “ it it right on top of the capability of the 200ER “ but didn’t mention about the a350-900 when Coby explained
Yes , got 4.6T or 500km+ of additional range. 787-9 should have a range of 14500km+ now starting by the end of next year