In short, many of the "Terrible Teens" got sold to Ethiopian Airlines for a major discount. They proved useful for flights to many parts of Asia from Addis Ababa, where the extreme range of the "good" 787-8's was not needed.
Very interesting. I do remember a bit of the reporting on the problems Boeing had early on with the manufacturing of the 787. It was clear that they had to do a lot of rework on the early build aircraft. Never knew that it resulted in less performance for those aircraft. Fortunately the owners got a nice bargain.
This brings back memories. I’ve worked on most of these lines for Boeing. The work was tough, the times were tough but I had a great time to work with. I worked on the wings and fuel systems mostly.
lines 5,6,7,8,9,12, and 13 I worked on. Line 8 is the mexican airforce one, that is for sale. Changing that aircraft from flight test to charter was a massive pain. There are those who worked on these particular aircraft will not fly on them. they do not feel safe flying them.
I'm really surprised by a lot of the comments here not know about this. This is NOT a unique occurrence and happens on every aircraft. First deliveries are usually out of spec and need modifications. It is one of the drawbacks of early adoption by carriers. This happened on the A350 as well as noted in 2008 when the planes first come out.
Well it appears that even the terrible teens though heavier are still more efficient than any other aircraft, part of the development of new technology, and proven by the fact most are flying today and proof Boeing did improve the efficiency of the 787's, It is still the most efficient plane flying !!!
@@brakinglate8828 *That's even worse!* Honda would be sued into the ground if they even tried to sell off a "test bed" Accord to a retail customer, so why was Boeing allowed to sell tested, stressed, and abused planes to airlines and *carry REAL human beings?* 😭😭😭
Looks like you had to go back a ways to dig up more Boeing dirt. Good point though.. A handful of unwanted 787's , vs.1700 wanted ones airlines can't get enough of.. Great reporting as usual !!
A company like Boeing shouldn’t have one bad 787. Let alone dozens. Stop apologizing for a bad company like Boeing. Remember how they murdered 384 people with their fucking terrible 737 max for no reason whatsoever then just pure greed
I did most of my flight training at KPAE during the time many of these aircraft were parked on runway 11-29. I had heard that they were early production units that were built before a change to the design was made, and that they were waiting for a gap in production to go back through the line to have the revisions applied. It sounds like that was partially true, but there's more to the story than what I originally heard. There were also some partially completed, engineless 747-8s parked among the 787s on runway 11-29. They had giant concrete blocks hanging from their wings to simulate the weight of the engines. Any idea what the story is with these aircraft? When I returned to my flight school in 2017 all the aircraft stored on 11-29 had disappeared, but the runway remained closed. The rumor at the time was that the weight of these aircraft exerted in one spot for several years had damaged the runway and it was unknown if it would ever be repaired and brought back to operation. As of this writing it remains closed and doesn't even appear on KPAE's entry in the AFD.
By the time Air Zim took the 777 these 787s were already sold , it was more of like a political deal between Zimbabwe and Malaysia, the 777s were bought for 16.5m each so it was a bargain.
@@kudakwashe3660 I also hope they can add to their fleet and expand. They can start off by waiting for some airlines to retire 777-300ER for the 777x or a350s (like Japan Airlines) and take those at giveaway prices so that many long haul routes are served simultaneously
At first I thought these airlines got a bad deal with it being so difficult to sell them at first. But with the reduced cost and fuel savings compared to the Airbus mentioned, I think the likes of Ethiopian ultimately benefited from their purchases.
@@wilburfinnigan2142 Maybe fuel efficient, what about cost efficiency? Perhaps as a goodwill gesture, Boeing could simply transfer them to Ethiopian Airlines as well as Lion Air, no charge, full warranty and maintenance??
The carbon fuselage has been a disaster, it delayed the program by two years due to mismatched fuse. sections. More recently issues with titanium joints between the fuse. sections. The use of so much carbon has made the 787 the most titanium intensive passenger aircraft flying today. The titanium is needed, because it is corrosion resistant to the carbon……and titanium is very expensive, compared to aluminum 😢
Took my first two flights on a Dreamliner recently and wasn't that impressed on the 13 hour flights Much prefer the A350 and A380. Much less noisy than the Boeing.
Not exactly accurate and this also depends on where you were sitting in the aircraft. The A380, which has engines farther way from the fuselage is the most quiet because of this very reason. 69.5dB, 787 is actually number 2 at 72.7dB, and the A350 is a tad bit louder than the 787 coming in at 74.9dB.
@twotanks6427 Bias, Airbus And Boeing has the Same Noise Levels, Boeing In the 2000's is better than 2010's Boeing which is Money Comes After Safety. Airbus has it's A321 XLR like the 777X can't get out of certification.
Hi… New aviation addict, here. Question. Would these “terrible teens” have been heavily incentivized to move them, beyond the massive price break? Are there additional “perks” for Ethiopian Airlines and the others whom have taken delivery of these behemoths?
Sadly NO. Boeing has not designed a new aircraft from scratch for decades - mostly they have simply modified others so as to try and argue they do not need to retrain the pilots. Airbus has done the opposite AND developed and introduced fly by wire - which Boeing have been forced to copy. Why should anyone EVER buy from Boeing?
Why should airlines not Buy from Boeing just because they dont necessarily implement fly by wire and develop new designs? Airbus has not developed any new designs as such as they have re done the a320 and a330 to meet new modern efficiencies
Parts of every 787 were built in Charleston, every center fuselage and after fuselage section have been built there since ship 1. Charleston didn't start assembling any 787 until the 30 building was built and that would have been 2013 or 2014.
Be great if they could be donated to aerospace schools like Embry Riddle and such, for airframe & powerplant and jet turbine technician training as well as pilot instruction. Are there cargo conversions for the 787? Perhaps as a goodwill gesture, Boeing could simply transfer them to Ethiopian Airlines as well as Lion Air, no charge, full warranty and maintenance??
ALL 787 NightmareLiners are defective. Every single one. I have not, and will not be willing to fly on the NightmareLiner, as it's a dangerous airplane that's inferior not only to the 777, but also to the 767 which it directly replaced. Frankly, there is no reason for the 787 NightmareLiner to have ever been built, as airlines would have been better off using 777-300er's or 777x's in those slots, while Boeing would have been better off creating an update to the 767, with new engines and an improved wing.
How in what way are the 787 "Nightmare liners" defective? "I have not, and will not be willing to fly on the Nightmareliner, as it is a dangerous airplane thats inferior"? How is the 787 a dangerous airplane? It hasn't had any hull loss and no safety concerns? And the 787 is not inferior to the 777. its a lot better than 777. Are you mis informed about the 787 and why so many airlines have bought the 787? Over 1000 orders and counting? Does that make you realise its not dangerous and not inferior?
@@alvinloh9068 as if a320neo engines fail and it dives is a better option leading to airlines not getting their planes when they need them right now LMFAOOOOOO
Now I know and I will not fly on any Ethiopian airlines if it’s Boeing. Good thing when you purchase your ticket you know what airplane you’re flying on.
Aviation enthusiasts actually enjoy this sort of thing. It's not Boeing bashing, it's just an interesting story about the challenges of engineering. If you don't like it, don't watch it!!!!
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In short, many of the "Terrible Teens" got sold to Ethiopian Airlines for a major discount. They proved useful for flights to many parts of Asia from Addis Ababa, where the extreme range of the "good" 787-8's was not needed.
Gosh, I love this channel.
Everyday, something new, interesting and explained simply with a soothing voice.
Thank you again team Simple Flying!
I also heard this guys voice in a video about gaming PC's to buy. His voice is very convincing
@@tpr1808 True, true...
@@tpr1808 it’s dictation
Very interesting. I do remember a bit of the reporting on the problems Boeing had early on with the manufacturing of the 787. It was clear that they had to do a lot of rework on the early build aircraft. Never knew that it resulted in less performance for those aircraft. Fortunately the owners got a nice bargain.
have to admit the B787-9 & B787-10 are great looking twin engined wide body jets in recent years . . .
and A350-1000?
@@МатвейБеккер-р2ь also
@@МатвейБеккер-р2ь actually A350 is better
@@kirilmihaylov1934 it's a gorgrous shape
@@МатвейБеккер-р2ь agreed
Never heard of terrible teens or terrible Dreamliners group. Thanks for explaining that👍.
This brings back memories. I’ve worked on most of these lines for Boeing. The work was tough, the times were tough but I had a great time to work with. I worked on the wings and fuel systems mostly.
I feel it bro... MAC/DAC Long Beach... couldn't give up So Cal. Did a bunch of stuff... rear spar C-17 was one
lines 5,6,7,8,9,12, and 13 I worked on. Line 8 is the mexican airforce one, that is for sale. Changing that aircraft from flight test to charter was a massive pain. There are those who worked on these particular aircraft will not fly on them. they do not feel safe flying them.
dont feel safe flying on a 787 that has never crashed?
@@nickolliver3021 Did you ever work on those lines?
@@dougmate2378 where did I say that I did?
@Nick Olliver I'm asking you if you did, guy.
@@dougmate2378 perhaps your going by tne Al jazeeera documentary?
I flew in the "terrible teen" of air austral 😮
Pamandzi ( Mayotte ) to Paris CDG ( France ) great experience around 4340 nautical miles
Great video! Really makes you wonder why the A330NEO isn’t selling as much. Bigger wing, proved design, commonality, initial price.
It's cause Airbus didn't make the next big step. A redesigned fuselage. As of now it's just an age-old airframe with a very high price 🙄😒
I'm really surprised by a lot of the comments here not know about this. This is NOT a unique occurrence and happens on every aircraft. First deliveries are usually out of spec and need modifications. It is one of the drawbacks of early adoption by carriers. This happened on the A350 as well as noted in 2008 when the planes first come out.
The worst 787 experience I had was with Qatar in economy. It was dreadful. Extremely uncomfortable and horrendous legroom with boxes on the floor.
Ameer Ali Blame the airline as to how they put the seats in NOT Boeing !! DUUUUH!!!!!!
@@wilburfinnigan2142 I have. Where did I blame Boeing. I’ve clearly blamed Qatar. BA’s 787 is much better.
Well it was economy. Fly business next time.
are the boxes on the floor or under the seat ? either way, i would not fly comfortably with that foot situation too
@@johniii8147 I fly Premium Economy if available. QR doesn’t offer that.
* I checked at flightradar24 and ET-ATG is now painted in Star Alliance Livery.
I've recently booked flights to Fiji. Made the effort to not fly Fiji Airways or Qantas Boeing.
Well it appears that even the terrible teens though heavier are still more efficient than any other aircraft, part of the development of new technology, and proven by the fact most are flying today and proof Boeing did improve the efficiency of the 787's, It is still the most efficient plane flying !!!
Boeing has been shit last few years
@@kirilmihaylov1934 that doesn't apply to what he has said
Very Interesting Information. Really your work on the channel is so good
😮
7:34
Boeing and its bloopers. Lmao
They were test bed aircraft, ofcourse they had flaws
@@brakinglate8828 *That's even worse!*
Honda would be sued into the ground if they even tried to sell off a "test bed" Accord to a retail customer, so why was Boeing allowed to sell tested, stressed, and abused planes to airlines and *carry REAL human beings?* 😭😭😭
@@brakinglate8828 It’s not a reason. This never happened on Airbus aircrafts
@@Emi_LDA cuz Airbus never sold any early versions of their plane. Anyway Boeing prolly sold them with a heavy discount to offset the excess fuel use.
@@brakinglate8828 I guess you're right ! Btw I love your profile picture xd
Looks like you had to go back a ways to dig up more Boeing dirt.
Good point though..
A handful of unwanted 787's , vs.1700 wanted ones airlines can't get enough of..
Great reporting as usual !!
You still got some boeing cum in your face sir
A company like Boeing shouldn’t have one bad 787. Let alone dozens. Stop apologizing for a bad company like Boeing. Remember how they murdered 384 people with their fucking terrible 737 max for no reason whatsoever then just pure greed
@@Glen.Danielsen true. They always go deep to find out Boeing’s flaws like it’s what they’re paid for
For example. Airbus is currently having issues with their a320 neos but you won’t hear about them
@@Samguy55 that would eventually plague the 737 maxs too, blame P&W and CFM for the parts, not AB.
Ethiopian has great business class award availability from the U.S. on 787s. Coincidence?
IMAGINE SAYING AIR AUSTRAL B787 THAT IS TERRIBLE 😭
Woah, can't imagine if Lion Air purchasing those 787.
Lion Air operates the A330neo.
@@heidirabenau511 yeah, I know.
Its probably a good thing Lion air did not purchase the 787....they most likely would have been the first to crash one !!! !
@@wilburfinnigan2142 nice one
@Wilbur Finnigan how so?
I did most of my flight training at KPAE during the time many of these aircraft were parked on runway 11-29. I had heard that they were early production units that were built before a change to the design was made, and that they were waiting for a gap in production to go back through the line to have the revisions applied. It sounds like that was partially true, but there's more to the story than what I originally heard.
There were also some partially completed, engineless 747-8s parked among the 787s on runway 11-29. They had giant concrete blocks hanging from their wings to simulate the weight of the engines. Any idea what the story is with these aircraft? When I returned to my flight school in 2017 all the aircraft stored on 11-29 had disappeared, but the runway remained closed. The rumor at the time was that the weight of these aircraft exerted in one spot for several years had damaged the runway and it was unknown if it would ever be repaired and brought back to operation. As of this writing it remains closed and doesn't even appear on KPAE's entry in the AFD.
Ethiopian airlines scored a bargain
Why didn't Air Zim take these instead of the Malaysian Airlines dumped 777-200s
If they cost less than half
By the time Air Zim took the 777 these 787s were already sold , it was more of like a political deal between Zimbabwe and Malaysia, the 777s were bought for 16.5m each so it was a bargain.
@@kudakwashe3660 What bores me is that they are still parked. I hope they fly one day
@@tpr1808 yeah me too man. Their international permits have been granted so hopefully we will see them go to London
@@stephenfienberg8765 They did plan it but didn't succeed
@@kudakwashe3660 I also hope they can add to their fleet and expand. They can start off by waiting for some airlines to retire 777-300ER for the 777x or a350s (like Japan Airlines) and take those at giveaway prices so that many long haul routes are served simultaneously
At first I thought these airlines got a bad deal with it being so difficult to sell them at first. But with the reduced cost and fuel savings compared to the Airbus mentioned, I think the likes of Ethiopian ultimately benefited from their purchases.
I flew every year from IAD to CMN with those early boing and always I had the best experience with ROYAL AIR MAROC
flown on ET ATG in 2019, in star alliance livery, didnt notice anyt different
So were these heavier Boeing 787 sold at a steep discount?
Yep, to Ethiopian.
Going on a 789 next week. Looking forward to it up front
That is, if the 787 doesn’t have an acne breakout and yell that it hates you before slamming the hangar door closed to play video games
@@coyotelong4349 How is it living in a tent, on the streets?
U wonder wat incentives these overweight planes really bring to these airlines...especially Ethiopian Airliness..
Bwayo Even over weight the 787's are still MORE EFFICIENT than anything else !!!!!! DUUUUHH!!!!!!
@@wilburfinnigan2142 Maybe fuel efficient, what about cost efficiency? Perhaps as a goodwill gesture, Boeing could simply transfer them to Ethiopian Airlines as well as Lion Air, no charge, full warranty and maintenance??
Aviation "scratched & dents" bargains.
The carbon fuselage has been a disaster, it delayed the program by two years due to mismatched fuse. sections. More recently issues with titanium joints between the fuse. sections. The use of so much carbon has made the 787 the most titanium intensive passenger aircraft flying today. The titanium is needed, because it is corrosion resistant to the carbon……and titanium is very expensive, compared to aluminum 😢
Private owner registering #20 in the Cayman Islands? Color me shocked!
Took my first two flights on a Dreamliner recently and wasn't that impressed on the 13 hour flights Much prefer the A350 and A380. Much less noisy than the Boeing.
Not exactly accurate and this also depends on where you were sitting in the aircraft. The A380, which has engines farther way from the fuselage is the most quiet because of this very reason. 69.5dB, 787 is actually number 2 at 72.7dB, and the A350 is a tad bit louder than the 787 coming in at 74.9dB.
@twotanks6427
Bias, Airbus And Boeing has the Same Noise Levels,
Boeing In the 2000's is better than 2010's Boeing which is Money Comes After Safety.
Airbus has it's A321 XLR like the 777X can't get out of certification.
Little doe Ethiopian know what will happen to their max a few years after they received all these 787-8
Over 1000 delivered, yet still not made a profit on the project and it’s cost more than the A380 program
Wait really ?
@@MainInternetUser Yes. A380 was about $25-$30 billion. 787 is over $40 billion
Hi… New aviation addict, here. Question. Would these “terrible teens” have been heavily incentivized to move them, beyond the massive price break? Are there additional “perks” for Ethiopian Airlines and the others whom have taken delivery of these behemoths?
Yes price discounts I heard
Sadly NO. Boeing has not designed a new aircraft from scratch for decades - mostly they have simply modified others so as to try and argue they do not need to retrain the pilots. Airbus has done the opposite AND developed and introduced fly by wire - which Boeing have been forced to copy. Why should anyone EVER buy from Boeing?
Why should airlines not Buy from Boeing just because they dont necessarily implement fly by wire and develop new designs? Airbus has not developed any new designs as such as they have re done the a320 and a330 to meet new modern efficiencies
They may not be the worst!
The biggest piece of crap in the sky, the 787 Nightmare Liner
No mention of TUI.
Guessing ones manufactured in Charleston
Parts of every 787 were built in Charleston, every center fuselage and after fuselage section have been built there since ship 1. Charleston didn't start assembling any 787 until the 30 building was built and that would have been 2013 or 2014.
I thought it was "terrible tens" HAHAHA
Pay attention to what you read or when people talk !!!! DUUUUHH!!!!
Yes I fly this planes almost every day!
Is the 787 the only Boeing with fly by wire ?
777 as well
777 series of aircraft is the first Boeing Yoke Aircraft that have the Fly By Wire.
Almost everything discussed in this is wrong. It's rather remarkable how much incorrect information is in this.
The window system is the part of the 787 I hate most.
They should of been scrapped.
Wise decision made by Ethiopian to fly these 787-8 jets .
Jetstar is not mentioned
The oldest Jetstar 787, VH-VKA, is line number 123. It was built in mid 2013. The aircraft with the weight problems were built in 2006 and 2007.
I never flew on any of those, but I helped build each one.
You work for Boeing
@@kirilmihaylov1934 I was with them for 8 and a half years. From ship 1 to the first -10.
@@dennismurray4999 what happened. Why did you leave them
@@kirilmihaylov1934 I along with about a thousand others got laid-off back in 2016.
@@dennismurray4999 something is wrong at Boeing big time
Be great if they could be donated to aerospace schools like Embry Riddle and such, for airframe & powerplant and jet turbine technician training as well as pilot instruction.
Are there cargo conversions for the 787?
Perhaps as a goodwill gesture, Boeing could simply transfer them to Ethiopian Airlines as well as Lion Air, no charge, full warranty and maintenance??
The goodwill thing would be cool, but the shareholders would be livid; heads would roll unfortunately
So give them free planes because a shitty Boeing product killed hundreds of their passenger?
worst really ? they are being useful ...l guess.....helping Ethiopian to be the best and biggest airline in Africa.
It’s ‘Ah Nah’ - sounds like 「あな」
wise Ethiopian airlines
Sell them to China. They are usualy not more than 50 kg per person.
Racist much?
Air austral’s 787 is really a bad plane 😂 they are always in maintenance
If it is Boeing, I ain’t going
No Marco, your quote is not correct.
It actually says “If it’s a Boeing, I am going!”
Ok, don’t. Bye!
If its Boeing, I am going. The very best❤
@@mmm0404 not anymore
@@kirilmihaylov1934 yea according to you . Why am I not surprised
Ethiopian likes its broken Boeings
broken?
They are 787-MAX
Lol
ALL 787 NightmareLiners are defective. Every single one.
I have not, and will not be willing to fly on the NightmareLiner, as it's a dangerous airplane that's inferior not only to the 777, but also to the 767 which it directly replaced.
Frankly, there is no reason for the 787 NightmareLiner to have ever been built, as airlines would have been better off using 777-300er's or 777x's in those slots, while Boeing would have been better off creating an update to the 767, with new engines and an improved wing.
How in what way are the 787 "Nightmare liners" defective?
"I have not, and will not be willing to fly on the Nightmareliner, as it is a dangerous airplane thats inferior"? How is the 787 a dangerous airplane? It hasn't had any hull loss and no safety concerns? And the 787 is not inferior to the 777. its a lot better than 777.
Are you mis informed about the 787 and why so many airlines have bought the 787? Over 1000 orders and counting? Does that make you realise its not dangerous and not inferior?
boeing is a disaster
You don’t believe and conclude everything you hear on the internet, dude.
Boeing is why you are relevant. Lol
Airbus is a disaster
airbus fanboi’s chanel continuing to bash boeing
clearly you haven’t watched a single minute of the video 🤦♂️
Good plane, and yes the early ones were heavier, but there's no scandal here--waste of time story
The most luxurious plane I've been on is economy on a Qantas A330. 🤣
Can't imagine that even the worst 787's are worse.
dude boeing goin down lik my shit airbus going up like my piss when there's no gravity
You sound highly educated.
@@mxb_se ye cus im in 6th grade failing my clasess and getting my butt whooped
Going up a place I don't want to mention. Lol
@@mmm0404 as if diving to hell like the 737max is a better option, oh LMFAO
@@alvinloh9068 as if a320neo engines fail and it dives is a better option leading to airlines not getting their planes when they need them right now LMFAOOOOOO
Handful of airplanes, give me a break
Now I know and I will not fly on any Ethiopian airlines if it’s Boeing. Good thing when you purchase your ticket you know what airplane you’re flying on.
The only thing I like about the 787 is the large windows , but they are cheap feeling and they bounce around and are so uncomfortable!!
kekw
The windows bounce around? How is that even possible?
@@brkitdwn the plane bounces around ya clown, the best thing about the 787 is the large windows ffs 🤦🏻♂️
Totally unimportant...12 or so airplanes, and they've built a 1000.....why is this even being reported? Another Boeing hater.
Aviation enthusiasts actually enjoy this sort of thing. It's not Boeing bashing, it's just an interesting story about the challenges of engineering. If you don't like it, don't watch it!!!!