Who in WWE knew about the Vince McMahon allegations? | Wrestling Observer Radio
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- Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez discuss the media coverage of the Vince McMahon allegations and who in the company knew about them.
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I have no doubt in my mind Kevin Dunn knew he quit right before the stuff hit the fan.
Good point
The lawsuit does state that her pictures and video were shared with the production crew. Not a stretch to say the ONLY person it was shared w/was Dunn.
He may have known something but that doesn't mean he knew everything you've got to remember. I guy like Vince McMahon you think anybody is going to say anything without any proof to the contrary. I mean seriously just because you have suspicions of somebody doesn't mean that you can just go to HR and speak about it without any proof
I bet Dunn was holding the camera he’s such a fuckin creep.
@@flyguy7825 no, but we are in a RUclips comments section. We can speculate as much as we want. Wouldn't be shocked if Cena, Austin, HBK, Rock, as well as countless others also knew and were complacent.
He wanted to be Walt Disney but he ended up being Harvey Weinstein
Walt Disney was the same. Research him more. It’s sad and sickening.
@@gunnarjordan6980 Wasn't Walt Disney a supporter of.......you know who?
@@atticus8659 Lord Voldemort?
Dude Disney was worse
You mean the funny moustache? Yes.
In fact US troops occupied all Disney properties during the war to prevent them from making propoganda for that fella.
@@atticus8659
Makes more sense why Stephanie left the first time
She def knew remember when she lead a thank you vince chant when the allegations came out the first time.
Please, Stephanie didn't leave because of any other reason than the fact that she found out she was no longer getting the company.
The minute Vince saw what her lunkhead husband was doing to WWE--and how she was just sitting their and letting it happen, she was done.
Amazingly, a few years ago, it appeared that Vince took his company back. Gone were the dull, small wrestlers being showcased at the top and characters were back.
Vince also changed NXT into NXT 2.0. Dropped the sickening-indie-style black and yellow and replaced it with a much more colorful and appealing logo, and lightened up the once, dark, arena... And when he did, Triple H suffered a heart attack. Could his heart episode have been caused by the knowledge that Vince was unhappy with his shitty direction? And what about Stephanie? At the same time that happened, she broke her foot. Did she break it accidentally or did she throw a childish fit over not getting her father's spot because her moron husband began catering to the minority?
Steph didn't leave because her father slept around. Steph's gone because Vince would rather see the company under control of an outsider that will run it successfully rather than watch his own family completely erase all of his successful, billion dollar making accomplishments.
Now, sadly, if he's gone from TKO for good, there's nobody to pull the reins on Triple H. Now Triple H can focus on dull, indie-style garbage and turn the WWE from a global, worldwide phenomenon into a small, rinky dink indie promotion.
@shmenge987 you are next lvl delusional that hool family is nuts and was runing that company off a cliff it's everyone's falt not just his doter and triple h
Which is why they sold the company on the first place. Imagine if there are more women
Nice troll
The extend to which many drones eagerly defend Vince & co. is extremely disturbing as well.
They probably would do the same thing, if they don't do the same thing.
@@patbrooks9823 double digit IQ's in abundance. No shot they could actually manipulate anybody.
I haven't seen anyone defending him, so it's not that widespread
@@DenkyManner You haven’t seen it, so therefore it doesn’t exist. Ok.
@DenkyManner there's literally comments under this video blaming women for what happened to them.
Vince McMahon used to do degrading things to the divas on TV. So none of this is the least bit surprising
Don’t kink shame... nah I’m kidding it’s gross but as long as it’s consensual to each their own😂
If u look back on a lot of it, its very cringe now. Kiss my @ss club : (
Same thing went through my mind he deffo guilty of this
I mean some of the details are honestly pretty surprising. I have expected allegations of sexual misconduct of some kind to take Vince down for years. Based on the stories, and some of the vague things I heard about because my family does have wrestling connections, (including Dave's old best friend; I swear that's true. His name started with a Z) I always thought it was very possible. But I didn't expect this. There are things that I just never imagined. And wish I still didn't have to
Vince got off so bad doing all that. Gross.
If HHH, Stephanie, Shane, Undertaker, Kevin Dunn, HBK, Bruce Prichard, or any top executives who worked closely to Vince or even friends with him, knew about Vince's sex trafficking, they all should be held accountable for not saying anything to put an end to it. So yes, it's fair for TKO to remove anyone associated with Vince McMahon. If Brock Lesnar is guilty of it and refusing to comment on his involvement with Vince's scandal, he should get fired. We heard Vince's response, and he denied everything, but we did not hear anything from Brock yet, unless his lawyer told him not to speak to the media.
Bricks not under investigation though he’s not even named in the lawsuit, but referenced
@@tw9341 Doesn't matter. Many people are pointing their fingers at Brock. He fits the descriptions. If he's not saying anything, those people and his fans are going to call him out. It's going ruin his reputation.
I think Vince is a gross kinky old bastard but do I believe she’s a victim ? I don’t know, Im leaning toward no but I don’t know anything for sure. He should have paid her more and this wouldn’t have come out.
You definitely know Shane, Stephanie and HHH knew but imo Shane is the one who outed him Steph and HHH definitely helped keep it a secret those 2 are pos remember how HHH lied to Brett's ex during the screw job and Stephanie was like let's thank my dad when he retired.
@@nwo2coolBut Brock never actually did anything with her. A snow storm and him being intoxicated saved his azz
Those "budget cuts" made lot of sense now ... knowing what's going on in wwe now ... just crazy 😮
I read budget cuts in Johnny Ace voice
Yeah to save money
Not really, all companies do budget cuts. Vince wouldn’t even oversee those.
"vince is just being vince" triple h
Marks will still defend WWE It's an inevitability.
its hard to feel bad for somebody getting pooped on willingly for millions of dollars when we gotta wake up and go to work a real job in the morning, somebody please give me millions to poop all over me
Yep and haters will hate
It going to be sad when after 2 months the WWE going to cover it up after everything is done
Sounds like the US government. Look at the Hunter Biden situation , look at the Epstein list situation. But oddly we aren’t allowed to talk about those things. They are (D)ifferent.
Improve your grammar, Junior.
I hope so
I was a student and local talent at a promotion a few years ago and we had a former wwe agent working on our writing and booking staff. One day at practice he told us and focused in on females and told us in the business people will try to take advantage of you and use you for their immoral selfish bullshit and it was their change to really think of this business is for them. He also mentioned some stuff he was privy to for Vince and if the road agent who was barely on tv knew this shit COME ON DUDE
@vibangigan5336 any comments from you about this a few years ago or did you just decide to share it now? 😆
@@jaybee4288 bro what would it change I was a local Indy wrestler, I’ve told plenty of people about it and it’s not my business to take public (if you think a comment section on RUclips is public grow up) I know that the office that is handling the lawsuit had a lot of new inquiries for first hand experiences so if they’re in there I’ll tell ya bud.
I think they were already systematically replacing Vince's crew, but now that the cat's out of the bag, it's going to be sweeping.
I wouldn't underestimate Ari Emanuel possibly firing a lot of people just to save his own ass. We know that the company can roll along without Vince, HH, etc., no one there is untouchable at this point.
So who do you expect to manage the day-to-day operations and put together/manage all the live shows? You sound clueless. You can't just stick anyone in that role. The business won't function properly with a Jim Herd type in charge.
@@quentinkaasa47 Really? Because I remember hearing for decades that Vince McMahon was the glue holding everything together at the top and the company only worked because of his leadership - yet once he was suddenly removed things kept rolling on the same if not better and the company is as profitable as ever. They have millions in guaranteed money locked up with long term TV contracts. This narrative that the business can only function if run by Vince and his cronies was only fostered by him to entrench his own power.
@quentinkaasa47 you are dumb as shit. Literally all the have to do is put Heyman or someone of that ability in charge of things for a month until they hire people.
"Thank you for asking that question, and I'm so glad you asked that question. We take this situation extremely seriously here and are doing everything possible to ensure employee safety. We're a tight knit community, and it's unconscionable how circumstances at hand led to the situation we find ourselves in. WWE Inc is in communication with Slim Jim, Netflix, Endeavor and TKO about what we will be doing heading forward, and I'm excited to work with our staff and performers to ensure the best product and best working conditions possible. Next question, please?"
I'm barely literate and I cobbled that together in 2 minutes.
You are barely literate. Agreed.
@@comejointheparty Screw Cody . Do you think he was thinking of this Company when he Bashed Triple H in AEW . Face it Cody is a Suck Up Leach that will kiss 💋😘 his bosses ass if it means he gets further in his Job
Even at 1.5 speed I can't get Dave to the point fast enough
Uhm, uh, uhm, uh
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
They all knew. They can spin it any way they want. This shit has been going on for 40+ years.
Pritchard, Laurinitus, Patterson, Brisco, JBL, Hayes and that damn lawyer.
The wrestlers heard stories. You think they all got their push because of raw talent? All of them?
This is thermonuclear.
JBL is an odd inclusion. I'd be naming people like Jerry Lawler , Cole , HBK , Taker , Cena before random people like JBL
Actually thinking on that , Jerry Lawler should be looked into . He was basically the constant on air presence of Vince during Attitude era screaming about woman
@@user-qx3eb2jx1p You're forgetting JBL is close friends with Taker and not to mention that time he was caught looking up porn during a Smackdown show, now that doesn't mean he knows much but I wouldn't rule him out.
@@user-qx3eb2jx1p imaging youre a new wrestler, youve just made it to the biggest wrestling company. Youre in the showers and some naked dude (also showering) walks over to you and starts rubbing soap suds into your chest and back. . . . . .
JBL would weed out new guys by soaping them up in the showers. If the new guy complained about his unwarrented touching, JBL would call them a Primadonna.
Thats taken (not verbatim) from Edge's book: "Adam Copeland on Edge"
So, JBLs actions in the shower are sexusl assault.
A lot of people over the years probably knew something. A lot of people will be asking what HHH knew, for example. The whole board of directors actually. What did they know when they initially forced Vince out?
They all knew. Clearly someone(s) knew when they were the ones who leaked it to the board & the newspapers 1st.
If lawyers were involved, the board knew.
If they all knew, they should be held accountable for not doing anything to put a stop to it. If HHH, Steph, Undertaker, and Bruce Prichard had knowledge of what Vince had been doing, and are protecting him, TKO should remove them.
How could anyone know about these allegations when the woman herself didn't even know she was going to make any allegations until 4 years later ? I'm sure they knew Vince was having sex but how could they know if she was willing or not ?
@@antonycuff4512 Stop it. Vince was sharing nudes of her as trophies with staff.
@@antonycuff4512as for wling..well dude is 80 and she was barely 21 so..
I wannastay completely out of conjecture and vilification. However, if all of this is true, can we go back and please look at the Ashley Massaro case?
They all know at some level. Many may not know the dirty details, but wrestlers talk. We know this through history. In the territory days, wrestlers knew what Grizzly Smith was doing with little girls; they openly joked about it in the locker rooms. People (including Vince) knew what Pat Patterson was doing with teen boys; they either joked about it or warned the ring boys. It's a carny world still, and so it's all about the money with the health and safety of outsiders being secondary.
It’s common in all business. People are not blind and they see things. But it’s very rare that anyone sees enough to know exactly what they’re seeing or make any grounded allegations stick.
If you re-watch WWF around 85-87, you'll hear Gorilla joke one commentary "I think (wrestlers name) attended the Terry Garvin/Pat Patterson School of Wrestling/self defence".Gorilla would remarked about the physical predicament the wrestler was in.
Eric Young was with the company as a midcarder for four years during this time and knew enough to walk in protest of Vince’s rehiring.
If he knew, it’s delusional to suggest that the people in Vince’s inner circle wouldn’t have known.
...or he just knew that Vince thought nothing of him professionally, and didn't want to stay there if Vince had creative input because his career would be dead. You're making a gigantic leap with your assumption.
@@nicodimus2222they might have said that because of the comment Young made when asked why he left. “I signed up for one thing and it turned into something completely different. Personally, professionally, and more importantly for me, morally, I just couldn't work there anymore.”
He mentioned morally too.
NDA's can't stop criminal acts from being talked about. All of those NDA women should come forward (as well as others who didn't get any money) and take Vince and the WWE to criminal court. It will be bigger than the OJ trial for viewership.
They'd have to return the money. Noone wants to give back millions of dollars.
@vortex_1336 No, she doesn't because the NDA was never valid to begin with. You cannot legally force you not to disclose a crime.
@@leafy4142 Correct but that would also mean that you don't get to keep the money.
@vortex_1336 The court would have to order you to give it back. Why would they order you to give it back to a criminal who asked you to conceal the crime to begin with? That's just what it cost you to file your lawsuit.
I feel like Paige is another NDA and something was going on between vkm and her filming the prono with creed and maddox and releasing all the nikked pics and video. she was then forced into retirement by wwe's "doctor", same thing they did to danielson. how deep does this go...my guess deeper than a chicago style pizza!!
If I were a betting man, it would be almost mathematicly impossible to be in the business for any length of time and not know something.
She may not want a settlement. If she wants to embarrass him to the moon and back, as well as the company, she won't accept any offer.
at this point i wouldn't even be surprised if she gets outside funding to supplement her funds JUST so that the world can watch this empire fall.
She shouldnt. She should force it to a trial so they do the discovery phase and really look into Vinces shit, that man has many skeletons to unearth. This could end with Vince paying hundreds of millions or Vince being unearthed as a prolific predator. 😬
Triple h would have known son in law
So Bryan Danielson knew then
I’m pretty sure 80/90% of employees, including wrestlers knew or heard the stories no doubt.
so do you fire them all? Erase undertaker?
@@perryco34 yes!
@@atticus8659 dean Ambrose? Jericho, Christian? Edge? Aew will be shit
@@atticus8659 AEW HAS A BUNCH OLD WWE GUYS. They all knew
,, or partook in say'd activitys,,,,
HHH had to know, he will be gone soon, not saying he was involved but he kept quiet
Anyone who in WWE/F knew Vince was always doing something he shouldn’t be doing. He has a horrible personality as a human being and he enjoys abusing his power in every way from these current allegations to humiliating people. You could probably fill a book with every wrong that he has done going back 40 years.
The Ari Emanuel-Vince McMahon press conference to announce the selling of WWE is gonna come back to bite Endeavor in the ass since they already knew what they were getting into after the stuff leaked to the WSJ in July of 2022 and they still decided to involve the guy in the deal. WWE brand about to turn as toxic as it did after the Benoit murder
They needed vince for that or there could have very well been no deal
There's already a civil lawsuit on the sham sale Vinny Mac & Ari pushed thru, by a pension company (that they effectively robbed). Triple HGH & Lil' Nicky Khan are also defendants in that one. If it passes muster (it will), it opens the door for the inevitable SEC criminal charges.
The brand wont be harmed.
@@MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT I remember that one time marks & jobbers like Cornette & Russo told me Vince wouldn't be raided by the FBI, and sell WWE out of desperation.
@@TheCaptainSlappy I don't recall that. Nutty take.
Vince lets it go to trial, just so he can stand up and shout “it was me all along, Austin!” as they drag him away
Vince isn't going down with the ship, but he'll definitely try and take an many people with him. I expect him to break the silence on tons of people.
I hope she takes this all the way to discovery and trial!
I'm sure they all knew , shane leaving back in the day , hhhs heart attack , mad stuff make sense now looking back.
triple h never had a heart attack, what the hell are you talking about
Lol delusional
@@meciociochill. He had a heart issues. Don't get your panties in a bunch because he didn't get that part exactly right 🙄
@@meciocio he did have some serious heart problens were he almost died from
@@meciocio he had a heart condition and nearly died in 2021, look it up he spoke about it also with Ariel too before clash of the castle
Now we know why Rick Flair did not get punished for the Plane Ride From Hell fiasco. Apparently Vince must have loved that.
🤦♂️ Yeah ok👍 good job detective.
Go comb through the archives and give us some more Nuggets.
"This lawsuit says Vince McMahon entered a consensual relationship and then getting freaky in 2019 so that must be why Ric Flair didn't get punished for harassment in 2002" 🙄 do any of you people touch grass?
Brock never got punished for exposing himself to Terri Runnels either.
Flair did what happened on the plane ride from hell virtually every night in the 80s and 90s
Lol ofcourse, Vince was on the plane dicking about with the rest of em. Its always been a big boys club and Vince always loved being a part of it.
I think we need to remember theres a difference between someone knowing about it and someone being complicit. There might have been loads of folk who knew but didnt speak up because they feared for their own careers, and there would have been people who knew and actively helped in covering it up.
Some people feel somewhat simple to try and figure out. Like the filing says _"a WWE employee who worked in risk and government relations (referred to herein as “WWE Employee No. 1”), was a decades-long family friend and confidante, similar in age to McMahon and one of a small, original group (what McMahon called the “titan family”) who helped the WWE expand from a regional promotion to a global juggernaut."_
Which matches the role and is partially almost word for word the description for someone on the WWE site itself which says _"began his career more than 50 years ago with Vince McMahon’s father, Vincent J. McMahon, and helped WWE expand from a regional promotion into the juggernaut it is today."_
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Everyone acting like this is the first shit thing Vince did...the man walked into a police station with a briefcase filled with money and when he walked out, a MURDER investigation against Superfly was dropped. The man beat his girlfriend to DEATH and she did not die right away, he just left her there in the room and she died alone unable to move to call for help.
There are times that Dave is getting ready, or in the middle of making a good point, then something happens..and I get a headache
Triple H was a wild boy back in his day. He absolutely knew about the Vince stuff
Vince’s inner circle that will be investigated: Pritchard, PS Hayes, Heyman, Kevin Dunne, Lesnar, HHH, HBK, Steph, Linda, Rock, Shane, Laurinitis, Hogan, Taker, Mark Carano, Pat Patterson (def involved back in the day with the gay ring boy/referee scandal), Ashley Masaro’s suicide, what does Rhonda Rousey know exactly?
Ya Pat was Vince's right hand man forever and he was a sicko chasing young Boys. Him and Vince probably abused a lot of people together.
Gay ring boy???
@@lolololololololYeah. There was a scandal with Patterson and him hiring underage boys for ring crew and forcing them into sex.
@@lolololololololgrrrrr!!
@@lolololololololSay what I never heard of that scandal. What period in WWF was that?
Even there’s some wrestlers that are retired are saying this has been going on forever there
Yes. While they were active they wouldn't dare say anything for fear of losing their job.
The comparison to July of 2007 is telling, because in both cases I think that the answer to the question "who knew" is, on some level, "literally everyone who ever watched Raw."
People on a higher up level definitely knew and the very least benefitted from turning a blind eye to whatever it might have been
I think all of the executives knew of the allegations because of the email about the NDA and the wrestlers, not participating, heard stories. But the participants knew details. The question is how many people participated?
If you go by the allegations in the lawsuit: Laurinaitis participated. Vince's physical therapist participated. UFC guy that everyone assumes is Lesnar knew and was supposed to participate, but other circumstances kept preventing it. I don't recall the document specifically mentioning any other participants, but it implies that there were more men involved. Allegedly Vince claimed Linda McMahon knew, and Grant was pressured into signing the NDA so Linda wouldn't go through with a threatened divorce.
When discussing the NDA, Grant said that it should address the people that knew of their relationship, including (but not limited to): Laurinaitis, Vince's personal assistants, Corporate Officer 1 (a Board member and high-ranking employee), and Corporate Officer 2 (a high ranking employee who made hiring decisions and conducted interviews.)
Beyond that, you have all the people that were shown photos and/or told stories by Vince. (Which includes a WWE Referee and 12 people on the tech crew, but Vince also told people to pass on the photos he gave them.) The issue here is you don't know how much these various people should be expected to "know". There are differences between someone showing you nude photos of a woman, showing nude photos while telling you what a willing slut the woman is, and showing you nude photos while telling you how they brutally assaulted the woman while she resisted.
Beyond even that, there are the various people who could or should have had a clue that something was going on. Allegedly Vince moved her to the XFL because there were too many rumors (only to then start showing explicit photos and videos of her to various people). Corporate Officer 4 (a high ranking employee who worked with legal affairs) either knew or suspects things, and supposedly told what they knew to *another* executive. There are the employees that should have heard the sounds during office, locker room, or where ever "meetings". Etc.
Who's the woman in 2004 that they're talking about? Was on the main roster and sent to ovw in 04?
Uncle Dave gives this lawsuit 5 Stars.
😂😂
I knew. Vince McMahon showed me the pictures of him going poop on the girl on his phone.
same
I am the turd 💩
😂😂😂
He paid off the Allentown PA police department for Snuka murdering his girlfriend in 1983
I wonder if legally the wrestlers who knew will avoid any legal culpability as they were independent contractors and not employees?
Now they've got Rock trying to erase Vince, too. Put up that NYSE clip show and made sure Vince was completely removed from it.
Well
Of course he would
You know just like the bucks took out all the Marty and the dick spot guy stuff from BTE
COMING UP THIS SEASON ON DARK SIDE OF THE RING.
Everyone knew in various degrees of detail.
For the last 30 years or more. All the way that Pat Patterson was fired and brought back 3 months later in the 1980's for doing ringboys. Vince paying off the police to get the investigation into Jimmy Snuka killing his girlfriend disappear for 30 years. Steriods. And everything else. People now are acting like its the worse thing ever. The girl was there 3 years if she was hired while Vince had his pants off in first interview. Then she was a willing person. She mad because they got a new prostitute. That is all. But yes Vince been that said guy on TV for years.
They heard. If you weren't in the room you didn't know jack shit.
Or Vince shit.
Don't say everyone. You are not in the know.
@@marklefkowitz4385 if they worked for wwe they knew
Oh you're in the office...
Gee, the timing of Dunn resignation couldn't have been better
"What does Meltzer know?" -Jessie"the body" Ventura.
i heard for bryan to get his job with dave he had to eat 6 steamy logs straight from daves butt
Jesse knew as well.
Lmao every Jesse quote always plays in my head in his exact voice. 😂
"Why don't you tell me?"
So with everything coming out about vince allegedly, does it make you look at the past champions who may have had the same offers and went along with it!?
I am replaying old clips from the attitude Era and like the way Vince is looking at several of the divas was gross.
There investigation when they looked at all the previous hush money but never called this woman is a serious problem trips nick and the rest of the board members signed off on is not good
She wouldn't have talked. She signed an NDA. She's only allowed to talk now because he broke the agreement by not paying.
@vortex_1336 do u think this just started she already talked about no1 talking to her vince stopped paying her almost 2 yrs ago they knew this was happening its why there were reporters from TKO that Vince was bad for their company u do understand how how long it takes to get things together for lawsuits dont u
Can we all club together and buy Dave a mic stand
Why would Emanuel or HHH take any heat? HHH was not with the company in an official role when the scandal broke, since he was in the hospital and had been removed from power. Due to Vince's controlling interests in the company, it was impossible to complete the sale without him. They had to keep Vince to complete the sale. Emanuel had no choice but to give Vince what he wanted, since Vince had the ability to prevent the sale from going through. What was HHH even able to do? Everyone knows that he or Stephanie leaked everything in the first place, so what else could they do?
I hope to god that this doesn't end up in a settlement. I would TOTALLY understand it from the victims perspective, they have to do what's best for them. But man, the only way this is going to be cleaned up opening the "books" or a federal investigation/hearing.
Saw a tiktok of Hulk or Captain America (lol) asking Vince during a lie detector test skit is he a "Sick, perverted, power hungry, FREAK?"
Vince said no and the lie detector said it was a lie....LIKE IT WAS RIGHT IN OUR FACES 😭
Mr. X knew about everything but didn’t tell Dave until after it came out?
So now Dave knows someone who knows info about sex trafficking and is many doing anything about it??
I have a fucking WILD theory about the 7million payout…
I have no proof of this, other than a gut feeling and a spiral of conspiracy theory thinking…
… what if the 7million lady, was Sable ?
She’s alleged some mad shit went on, and it would be the twisted carny cherry on the shit cake that she then ended up marrying Vince’s buddy buddy Brock, who continued doing business with the company. It’s so outlandish that, I wouldn’t be shocked if I’m right
Interesting to see if they take a chance of it coming out later that people knew, cleaning house might be needed for a total fresh start and clean the stink off, even if some are totally innocent.
Are you kidding me , who else knew? My guess about 70 percent of the company knew. Wwe is a ocult. The good guys have the konch now. 😂
Get ready for some truth.
I love how these two idiots are experts on what should be discussed in a press conference or not. The two of them do not have any idea what they were told by legal counsel. Two guys sitting in front of a microphone Monday morning quarterbacking and speculating. must be nice. The allegations are disgusting which is why they probably are not saying anything until everything goes to court or in an arbitration process.
I think Dunn knew it was a good time to go when this was going to drop, I believe those close to Vince in the company will be gone soon.
My question is, when are they going to reinvestigate all those poor ring boys?
Since both Pat Patterson and Terry Garvin are dead, you can't go after the main suspects anymore.
What happened with ring boys?
They were 5exu@lly abused
It's the biggest business in the world. Most underground. Traffic allowed and pushed by celebrities, politicians, world Leaders. Look up McMartin preschool, presidio daycare,Hampstead, Franklin coverup, p1zz@g@t3
@@lolololololololPat Patterson, Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips were accused of running a child sex abuse operation where they would hire local young fans to help put up the ring for WWF shows, and would molest and rape the most vulnerable of the group (meaning the boys who needed money or had no ride or looked to have no parental supervision or guardians). WWF and Vince knew about this, as Vince is quoted in an article by columnist Phil Mushnick as saying he knew about Mel Phillips digressions but as long as Phillips stayed in line he could keep his job. WWF, Vince and Linda also pressured one of the survivors, Tom Cole, to retract his allegation in exchange for employment in WWF.
I'm concerned that old timers like Taker, Shawn and others knew about his nefarious deeds and will be complicit for not saying anything. I think a lot of people knew.
What does a consensual relationship between an old man and a prostitute have to do with anyone else?
Bro, you can't even speculate on that just because you may have suspicions about a guy's indiscretions does not mean you knew everything about what they were doing. Literally what was made public who the f*** would have known that outside certain people at certain positions
@@flyguy7825 considering it was apparently normal for Vince to show off pics of women to employees. Then it wouldn't be out of pocket to speculate.
The great reputation of Taker at the backstage will take a great hit
@@flyguy7825ahh yes we can everyone did with vince and loon how that turned out
Christy was brave n smart 2 leave with the cash b4 it got worse. The Divas were oral 4 Vince n Johnny but they're scare 2 say anything 4 fear of being fired or put on shame. The brave 1s speak out.
Did trips honestly.beliebe that thentreat of never being invited to another wwe event would be enough to stop journalists asking the question.....
I asked a question today online about the need to know what taker knew or hid. People were not fucjing ready for that
@TokyoConvertible01 im saying he should, or had to of known.
Im asking what and how were the culture of the company lead to the point wherein this happened in the open. Im not suggesting taker did anything. Im asking what he knows and how one could argue against his monopoly of power and how that responsibility was used. Its a real shit thing happening right now, but an 70 something year old doesnt wake up in 2021 and just become this POS. It tskes time
This is crazy could you imagine if shit came out about stone cold or the rock
My question is can a criminal suit develop from a civil suit?
Who all knew are those who were the first to come to the office with Vince and those who were the last to leave with him
With the amount of grooming being alleged with the Janel Grant case, I wouldn't be surprised if Vince and Jerry sweet talked her into accepting $3 million. While it may seem questionable about why she didn't get more out of a settlement, don't discount their ability to manipulate her on all fronts, if it's found to be true.
Playing devil's advocate. The same could be said for the accuser. I doubt it will reach a judge but if it did. It would be interesting to see how it plays out for them all.
Is brock listed as both ufc heavyweight champion and wwe wrestler? Or was wwe wrestler someone else?
I think Shane, Stephanie, and their spouses, are going to supervise any visits Vince has with his Grandkids at this juncture. Not for any seedy reasons, more so he can't poison their minds with his dissertations. The Grandsons I'm sure are disgusted. Bet the Granddaughters are 2x as disgusted, and rightfully so. All 6 Grandkids are btwn 11-20, and grew up in the business. Kids are more perceptive than people may realize.
someone told me Vince pooped on Paul
Joey styles from his segment in 2009
A lot of people knew she was there for a couple of years. They were probably calling her doo doo brown in the hallways.
Everyone knew, and you listen to all these wrestlers talking about it and they’re pretty much saying that they knew without saying they knew.
Why did Paul Heyman break away from Lesnar? was it because he was part time? or did Paul know something and distanced himself?
11:38 Who’s Dave talking about?
I think the real question should be, who didn't?
Literally anybody who was super close to this man probably knew that he was up to no good to what extent that is the question but This is a plate out narrative that a lot of people in the media want to use to try and get after other people that probably have literally nothing to do with the situation. I work with people all the time and if you're in close proximity with them, you kind of have an idea of if they're up to no good or not, especially at the workplace but to what extent you just don't know and it's not like you can go to anybody and say something without any evidence to the contrary
Who is dave talking about when he he goes on a tangent about OVW
We know that the culture at least as far as the locker room goes has changed since Triple H took over as far as morale and even communication has been. This very program has talked about how it was eggshells with Vince and the majority happy practically celebrating when Hunter is in charge
That's because Hunter's done a good job of cleaning up his own image.
He's still got his share of questions to answer besides what he knew of Vince's NDAs, most of which has gone overlooked because of his rehabilitation from "ruthless political player" to "unproblematic fave who loves indy darlings."
"This will never go to trial." WWE will settle out of court, but Vince and JL are on their own and either one could choose trial since their reputation is irrevocably destroyed anyway.
Who was the woman sent to OVW in 2006?
The Ultimate Warriors family should do a documentary called, the self destruction of Vince McMahon.
Don’t forget Vince’s home was raided. What were they looking for? I believe this is just the first of many bombshells to drop.
Dave Meltzer is the definition of circumstantial thought process.
HBK, HHH, Brock, Undertaker and a few members of his BSK crew all knew something. Shake the tree of who Vince was loyalty to and you'll find the rotten apples.
You have evidence to back that up? Thought not
@@thenightking6662 i do. I was there
@chrisriley7431 follow up; to what extent & and how long were you there? Genuinely curious
I always thought it was as strange that Toni storm wanted out of that place so quickly after getting to the main roster. And the other girl Karion Kross’ girlfriend so beautiful and so talented never were given a chance.
HHH done the right thing by not discussing it. Yes he should have said a statement at the start but you know they were hyped over a really good RR.
Plus imagine how hard it is for the guy to openly discuss what his father in law, his wife’s husband, his kids grandfather has done in the public eye?
Easy for Meltzrr etc to criticise him
It’s Triple H’s job. He should have made a statement. He’s definitely not clean in this.
Kevin and Bruce for sure. I think HHH and Steph found out.
Who was the wrestler from 2006 that Meltzer is talking about? The one that got sent back to OVW?
I disagree with how people didn't know what was going on. Reading that 67 page lawsuit majority of people said yea that's something Vince would do.
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