Mate, just think about it... When someone says that, your first question should be, "Wait. So, you're saying that you weren't being honest with me before?".
I swear, every time I hear him talk ANYWHERE it's him claiming innocence and saying, "who actually even cares about this wrestling shit, BrO!? come on, BrO!! none of that bad shit was my fault it was all them, BrO!" Probably thought that was about WCW. That was Russo yelling at a doordasher.
He was an unsafe muscle head with two moves, couldn't work more than a few minutes in the ring and was only in the business for the money. Basically, a proto-Lesner. There's nothing to like
@williamsmith666 not understanding that when you're eight, seeing a dude like that sold like a live action superhero can create some magic moments. It's identical to all the joyless smarks who don't like hogan. Kids have always been a big part of the audience and guys like goldberg, hogan, ultimate warrior, and Cena don't have to be particularly competent wrestlers to still make magic. The lesnar comparison is also bizarre because he actually can really sell his style. Not everything has to be leglocks.
I'd say it's way more complicated than that. It was more like a foul bukkakke where SO many people had a shot. Hogan, Bischoff, Shitstain, Nash, various Turner suits, and god knows who else blew their load all over the poor hooker called WCW until Jamie Kellner popped in to inform them that she's dead. Which is a long, gross way of saying that a LOT of people have their DNA all over the death of WCW.
I recently learned that the executive that made the call to pull WCW from the stations also cancelled my favorite WB cartoons. Not to speak ill of the dead, but in his life I say: Boo this man!
When someone is a POS most of their life, it's okay when you tell the truth about them after they die. Idk why we act like people suddenly become saints the moment they die. It's like, we all die in the end, and a lot of us are just total douchebags our whole lives. So, let's just be real about that fact whenever we're speaking about the deceased.
The stupidest thing about David Arquette winning the title, beyond the fact that an actor shouldn't be given a world title, is he won it by pinning Bischoff in a tag match, and screwing his own partner DDP out of the title. Arquette wins, and DDP is celebrating with him being champion, when that result cost DDP the title!
I love the exclusive that Schiavone came up with Arquette winning the title. Schiavone revealed that a long time ago and he was having fun with Russo. Tony didn’t care by that point.
Yes so dumb. It reminded me of Medusa in a world title tournament fighting benoit and Jeff jarrett screwed her after Russo put her back in the tournament???? WHAT?!?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
People forget that Russo, even when he was “head writer,” didn’t book the main events for the WWF- that was Vince & Patterson exclusively. Russo wrote for the rest of the card and even that stuff went through Vince first. But Russo smooth-talked his way into WCW and then immediately crashed & burned.
Russo wasn't a match agent period. He was a script writer who would write out the formats for the shows. And then McMahon would tweak everything Russo had laid out.
@@stevecinneide8183and that was for teen boys, not everyone’s a perv, you probably harass women on the street when they walk by, that’s the energy you’re putting out….”bro”
So one thing I can vouch for Jimmy without question? Was when I first started Greener than goose shit at Ohio Valley, & wrestling with VERY limited experience, and Jimmy wanted me to bodyslam somebody at the very end of my In-ring promo. BUT Before Jimmy would allow me to do it to the heel during our TV , before the show started, he made me do it to him first in the ring. Showing the multi year heel, I would be safe with him. That tells you all you need to know about Jim Cornette and his respect for our business
@@mattmorgan2534 tell us about inhumane rightwing politics. Corruption, destroying and polluting our environment, kissing up to corporations, destroying minorities' lives...
The death of wcw was a group effort, everybody chipped in, nash, bischoff, hogan, russo, ect. I just find it funny that now all the ones that played a part in it are now saying "well what had happen was....."
When Russo said he was better than 80% of the talent at WCW, I physically had to get up from my couch and walk around because I couldn’t believe how ridiculous that statement was.
I like how Russo talks endlessly about how he hates wrestling but can't keep his nose out of talking about it at every opportunity. Get a different job, bro.
Russo had a chance to save WCW with his “genius,” it was still salvageable at that point. But Russo put on the absolute worst wrestling product in American history.
When Goldberg called Russo a "shitstain" I asked if Goldberg listened to Cornette. They also didn't mention how Russo wanted to put the WCW title on Tank Abbott.
So, wait a sec: 1) Vince Russo takes writing job at WCW. 2) Vince Russo hates writing job at WCW. 3) Vince Russo books himself in a match against one of the most well-known unsafe wrestlers , & gets hurt in WCW. 4) Vince Russo gets paid to sit home with a concussion from WCW. Anybody else connecting the dots? Or is this just one of those "sheer coincidences" that I'm sure hold no water at all...
Guy Evans interviewed over 120 people who were directly involved with both Turner and WCW for the Nitro book, which is somewhere around 600 pages. It's not just a regurgitation of what was printed in the dirtsheets like the Death of WCW book by Alvarez and RD Reynolds. It's the story from the people who were actually there .
This whole topic should have been one TV episode. AOL/Time Warner did it. They wanted nothing to do with wrestling, threw in the towel and sold it for dirt to Vince.
Guy Evans is pretty much the only guy that's actually got Turner execs on the record. His book was the one that actually dove right in to everything, instead of going the easy path of "bad tv killed it" Nitro is absolutely the definitive book on the subject
WCW could have been a PG alternative to WWE with big stars from the past (Hogan, Sting, Flair etc) mixing it up with new rising stars (Jericho, Booker, Benoit, Raven etc) Profitable, ad friendly, smart booking, less egomaniacs politicking Hence, more attractive to AOL/TW
Great book, listened to the audio version of it. Siegel and his college dorm buddy were the ones that really signed the death warrant imo, they made sure Vinny Mac got WCW and noone else. Who knows how long it would've lived if either Jarret or Bischoff had bought it, but it would've been at least longer than March 2001.
Disco and Konnan confirmed the Booker T story. In a room Russo asked who should be the champ Hogan Jarrett or Book and everybody in the room said Booker. It might be the only 100% true story Russo ever told.
An absolute narcissist who lacks talent is the worst kind. Those WCW shows without the editorial guardrails of a Vince McMahon type were putrid. They were fighting for control of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. Jim is proven right once again…
The craziest thing is that Russo wanted to book his show to look like the Jerry Springer show, when Jerry Springer himself has said multiple times his show was the stupidest show on television.
At this point I could give two shits who killed wcw it's just sad it's not still here thriving and going up against WWE in 2024. So many mistakes could have been avoided and yet no they get bought out for pennies on the dollar
@@analiysanchez9949 Duckman had decent writing, so that's how I knew Ferrara wasn't involved. Weird Science and that show were both on USA network. I wonder if Ferrara talked about Duckman, or if Jim just repeated the same statement for years thinking it was true.
I 100% agree with Corny. Whenever someone (repeatedly) states 'I'll be honest with you', alarm bells should go off. And yes, Vince Russo was a horrible on-air performer.
I'm not sure why. I think he's come off quite well on the show so far. But then again, they pick and choose what they want to edit to push a certain narrative, present someone a certain way, or just to make the program look juicier. JR and others have had the same issue with the Dark Side guys
@@pleaseshutup7053he found out some info regarding what was planned before he won his first wcw world title check out his podcast called hall of fame.
Because Guy Evans is the first person to write a story about Monday Nitro that included the Turner network executives. It’s actually a really simple reason why it was so successful. Because everybody else like your boy from the observer, Brian Alvarez, just buried the bookers for demise.you can’t just overlook the time Warner/Aol merger and then when the bubble popped. Are you shitting me?
It seems most people blame the AOL-TW merger for WCW's downfall. Although I agree it may have been the nail on the coffin, WCW was already losing a lot of money before the merge. Eric Bischoff was a major reason for that by giving ridiculous contracts to the top Wrestlers. There were even guys/wrestlers getting paid 6-figures a year to just sit around and do nothing half the time. Money mismanagement was probably the biggest reason for WCW's downfall.
I would pay cold hard cash to have Jim review each Nitro from 1999 through to the end. Start off at the Humvee and then descend into the madness from there.
You couldn’t pay Jim enough to watch that circus. Even old Vince McMahon wouldn’t be able to pay Jim enough to watch that madness. And even if he could he wouldn’t because even Vince isn’t that cruel
Between Arquette and the gimmicked Statue of Liberty that would fall apart in guys' hands without even hitting someone with it, it's no wonder WCW drowned and floundered.
The funny thing is, Ferrara wasn’t even successful enough to write Duckman. He had nothing to do with that show. The peak of his career was Weird Science the tv show…
Plenty of guys treated as jobbers have massive credibility despite having good relationships with people like Shitstain. Al Snow never drew a dime because he was never presented as anything but midcard.
I agree with 99% of everything Jim Cornette says but I wouldn't say Bischoff "fell into a bit of luck for 2 years."' He had some really great ideas especially while competing with his number one enemy: WWE (F) at the time. Going live against a taped RAW, giving away results to their show, taking a NJPW idea and turning it into the nWo - one of the hottes angles in history, creating new stars like DDP when he didnt even want to, Scott Hall coming up with Crow Sting and Bischoff allowing it, Goldbergs winning streak, etc. The absolute truth is, when Bischoff left WCW, thats when WCW REALLY went down the shitter. He made mistakes, but imagine if Russo was made WCW President in 1996. We probably would've lost an extra 5 years of WCW.
I now doubt the reported Quote Vince McMahon said when Russo told him he was leaving for wCw which was "This is the most devistating call I have ever gotten"
Guy Evans was one of the better talking heads to have involved. His book Nitro, was a really in depth historical look at the rise and fall of WCW. It was well researched, and he spoke to executives and senior management at TBS who were involved with the company for interviews on a side of it that we had never really heard from. Nitro also published full memos, and in depth details of changes that were made, how it impacted business, and the talent roster. It was a far better book than The Death of WCW ever was, as RD Reynolds and Bryan Alvarez relied mostly on third hand accounts, and reports in the Wrestling Observer as their sources.
“He went to college in Evansville, make of that what you will.” I grew up in the 812 area code, and on behalf of all the fine residents of that area, Jim, I have only two words for you in response to that quip: You’re right.
Russo said with his own mouth that he was writing a "TEL-LEV-VIS-SION SHOW", not a wrestling show (no one talks like that except Russo). He wanted to write the Jerry Springer Show, but was on a TV show that happened to have Wrestling, so he did wrote Jerry Springer stuff into the show anyways.
@@LakefrontStudios The thing about the Jerry Springer show was you had a fresh bunch of wacky guests/characters each week. It didn't matter how crazy it all got or how bad you made a person look or what twist happened., They were not coming back next week unlike wrestling if Ken Shamrock sleeps or fancies his own sister, it doesn't vanish that follows him around.
As a rarity, I completely disagree with Jim on Guy Evans. Evan’s Nitro book is without doubt the most comprehensive, well-researched book on WCW’s demise and looks at the company from all angles. Unlike WWE’s angle of ‘WE BURIED THEM!, and the awful Death of WCW book by WrestleCrap’s ‘Well WCW was always garbage LOL’, Evan’s book looks at everything from WCW’s worth to Turner, company accounts, talent acquisitions, as well as the metrics like ratings. If anything, Guy was actually underused in this show, due to just how much research and decent journalism he’d done on the subject matter, which is rare in the ‘shoot’ business of wrestling.
41:00 Goldberg ended Bret’s career. But Russo thinks Goldberg was intentionally hurting. Just by comparing hart and Russo We can assume Goldberg is right he didn’t mean it.
It's sad when you think about it. Shit-stain has worked with the most brilliant minds that have ever been in professional wrestling. Jim Cornette, JR, Vince Macmahon, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Jerry Jarrett, etc., etc., etc. and he NEVER learned a thing. He actually squandered an opportunity that any true fan would give anything for.
I agree. I'd LOVE to learn more about the business than what JR, Corny or Dutch have told publicly. The inner workings and politics of the business and who gave a crap or not is always so interesting.
You just know whenever Russo starts a sentence with "I'm gonna be totally honest with you," he's about to lie his @$$ off.
I'm! GO-ING! TO! BE! TOT-TAL-LY! HON-EST with! you! BRO!
Dude speaks like he's talking to a slow 5 year old.
Mate, just think about it...
When someone says that, your first question should be, "Wait. So, you're saying that you weren't being honest with me before?".
I said that to my wife during the show just before he dropped the ridiculous 80% line.
Or just "BRO," period... 🤣
What’s the point of going to the comment section to say the thing the video says and pretend like it’s your own thought? I don’t get that
I love how Goldberg called him shit stain. That just goes to show everyone thinks he is shit stain not just Jim.
That or much like Jim's favorite president, likes to plagerise other's speech and pass it off as his own
You know he got that from this show, I’m sure.
that just goes to show that dangerous worker who never learned how to wrestle thinks that Russo is a shitstain.
@@TheTalk23 can someone kick Goldberg in the head lol
@@j_obaymaac2886 GTF over it.
The fact that to this day Russo blames everything and everyone else for his own incompetence proves he's full of shit.
@@disturbedftw1998 the dude you're blowing was throwing creative so bad that Vince McMahon couldn't do anything with. That's incompetence
So does Bischoff. So does Hogan. So does Nash.
I swear, every time I hear him talk ANYWHERE it's him claiming innocence and saying, "who actually even cares about this wrestling shit, BrO!? come on, BrO!! none of that bad shit was my fault it was all them, BrO!" Probably thought that was about WCW. That was Russo yelling at a doordasher.
None of the WCW guys take responsibility for that murder.
Bro wasn't my fault bro
Lol oh my god, Russo in ICP makeup. Travis Heckel never misses
I would say he needed Doink the Clown but I don't wanna run Matt Bourne's name down
Best part of the vids i listen to the full podcast sometimes and its not the same without the artwork.
he's a Juggalbro
WOOP WOOP BRO!
@@daleharris3809Matt Bourne ran his own name down long ago.
Honestly, as a kid when Russo started doing a promo, my brother and I couldn't change to Raw fast enough.
I'm torn on Goldberg. On the one hand, he ended Brets career. On the other hand, he speared shitstain into the guardrail.
Goldberg ended Bret harts career?? I hadn't ever heard that... (Obvious sarcasm fellow YT commenters.)
@@dannymcelroy922 Bret may have vaguely alluded to that a couple times.
This one is on bret
He was an unsafe muscle head with two moves, couldn't work more than a few minutes in the ring and was only in the business for the money. Basically, a proto-Lesner. There's nothing to like
@williamsmith666 not understanding that when you're eight, seeing a dude like that sold like a live action superhero can create some magic moments. It's identical to all the joyless smarks who don't like hogan. Kids have always been a big part of the audience and guys like goldberg, hogan, ultimate warrior, and Cena don't have to be particularly competent wrestlers to still make magic.
The lesnar comparison is also bizarre because he actually can really sell his style. Not everything has to be leglocks.
Goldberg calling Russo Shitstain popped me ngl
Thank u for not lying
Billy Goldberg is a fucking mark for himself ...just like everyone else in wcw '97-2000
At least we know Jim Cornette isn't the only person that calls Russo shitstain.
Same he should thank cornette to use that term
@@C0wboyzfan4lifeI'm surprised Corny hasn't tried to have it trademarked by now
Russo back then: Nothing matters in wrestling but the TV ratings.
Tony Khan now: Nothing matters in wrestling but the Cagematch ratings.
Everything's Great, Bro!
@@quentinkaasa47"Everything is bro, great!"
Tony Khan now: Nothing matters on wrestling, but the star ratings
Great¿
Russo claiming he wanted to get the "casuals" to watch wrestling. Yeah the casuals will wanna watch Judy Bagwell on a forklift match. what a clown
Or Viagra On a Pole Match
Every time Russo says bro, some of my brain cells die
You, too?
Matt Riddle should be the only one in wrestling to coin, "BRO..." 🤣
Me too. We lost a lot of brain cells during this episode.
I haf Ben watching so lang me Brian doos knot wurk honey as cracker more.
You should be in a vegetative state by now😂😂
3 people killed WCW.
1. HOGANS - Creative control.
2. Bischoff - Swinging on Hogans nuts.
3. Shitstain - For being a shitstain
I'd say it's way more complicated than that. It was more like a foul bukkakke where SO many people had a shot. Hogan, Bischoff, Shitstain, Nash, various Turner suits, and god knows who else blew their load all over the poor hooker called WCW until Jamie Kellner popped in to inform them that she's dead. Which is a long, gross way of saying that a LOT of people have their DNA all over the death of WCW.
I've said the same thing.
But not in those words.
Yep pretty much, that merger didn't help anything either
4. Kevin Sullivan's booking
I can't wait to find out why Jim is Duckman in the artwork.
@@jwconglomerate332 Ed Ferrara was a writer for it before he became Russo's shadow in WWF.
No wonder Duckman was short lived 😂
Duckman.
Maybe he once fd duckman maybe he once was duckman.
What the hell are you staring at?
I recently learned that the executive that made the call to pull WCW from the stations also cancelled my favorite WB cartoons. Not to speak ill of the dead, but in his life I say: Boo this man!
Jamie Kellner
He's my hero
@@danpoutsma1351more like Jamie Killner
When someone is a POS most of their life, it's okay when you tell the truth about them after they die. Idk why we act like people suddenly become saints the moment they die.
It's like, we all die in the end, and a lot of us are just total douchebags our whole lives. So, let's just be real about that fact whenever we're speaking about the deceased.
He did the right thing by ending WCW. It was an embarrassment. RIP Jamie Kellner.
The stupidest thing about David Arquette winning the title, beyond the fact that an actor shouldn't be given a world title, is he won it by pinning Bischoff in a tag match, and screwing his own partner DDP out of the title. Arquette wins, and DDP is celebrating with him being champion, when that result cost DDP the title!
I know! If he was a real friend, he would have been like, “Cover him, DDP!”
I love the exclusive that Schiavone came up with Arquette winning the title. Schiavone revealed that a long time ago and he was having fun with Russo. Tony didn’t care by that point.
"Everybody was making seven figures!"
-DDP
Yes so dumb. It reminded me of Medusa in a world title tournament fighting benoit and Jeff jarrett screwed her after Russo put her back in the tournament???? WHAT?!?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Now the son of an actor (Jack Perry) pins former WWE champions (RVD, Danielson).
People forget that Russo, even when he was “head writer,” didn’t book the main events for the WWF- that was Vince & Patterson exclusively. Russo wrote for the rest of the card and even that stuff went through Vince first. But Russo smooth-talked his way into WCW and then immediately crashed & burned.
Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous when he takes credit for Rock and Austin
Russo wasn't a match agent period. He was a script writer who would write out the formats for the shows. And then McMahon would tweak everything Russo had laid out.
EXACTLY 💯
Vince Russo is delusional. That last episode of Who killed WCW left no doubt about it
Russo genuinely lives in a different reality than the rest of us.
He gave us those Sable angles where she showed the puppies. Now you marks have Nia Jaxx or however you spell her name.
@@stevecinneide8183and that was for teen boys, not everyone’s a perv, you probably harass women on the street when they walk by, that’s the energy you’re putting out….”bro”
@@stevecinneide8183 Virgin trash.
Russo was like the Donald Trump of WCW! He was the young bucks before the Young Bucks
Vince Russo is more delusional than the Ocean Gate ceo
russo sounds like the modern disney star wars writers.
And his career went about the same too 😂
@@wraithstrongopark Nah he sounds more like the middle aged star wars fans who still think the show should cater strictly to them. lmao
@@wraithstrongopark those did very well at the box office and on rotten tomatoes, just saying....
Rotten tomatoes 😂😂😂😂@@stevecinneide8183
So one thing I can vouch for Jimmy without question? Was when I first started Greener than goose shit at Ohio Valley, & wrestling with VERY limited experience, and Jimmy wanted me to bodyslam somebody at the very end of my In-ring promo. BUT Before Jimmy would allow me to do it to the heel during our TV , before the show started, he made me do it to him first in the ring. Showing the multi year heel, I would be safe with him. That tells you all you need to know about Jim Cornette and his respect for our business
Great, you’re the real Matt Morgan?
Shame on you for being a rightwing gun nut
Tell us about Hard Justice 2009. Whose idea was it to keep Kurt Angle champion after getting arrested the day before?
@@mattmorgan2534 tell us about inhumane rightwing politics. Corruption, destroying and polluting our environment, kissing up to corporations, destroying minorities' lives...
The death of wcw was a group effort, everybody chipped in, nash, bischoff, hogan, russo, ect. I just find it funny that now all the ones that played a part in it are now saying "well what had happen was....."
Tony Schiavone has a podcast called What Happened Was 😂
And yet, as tough as some of those Nitros are to watch, I'll still take that over AEW...
And Brett is there like there all idiots
@@VicariousThePot ..
And now, I'll tell you the real story...
Corny must love these shows because they make the audience hate Russo almost as much as Jim does.
I can’t believe Duckman killed WCW. I thought he was an honest detective!
I don't think I've thought of Duckman in well over 20 years.
And just what the hell are YOU looking at??
Ferrara never wrote for Duckman
@@smarkslowplay3512 I checked IMDB. Ferrara never appeared on any credits.
*Ducktective
Jason Alexander did some good voice work on Duckman, lol.
And I like to be clear that Ed Ferrara never wrote for that fun show.
When Russo said he was better than 80% of the talent at WCW, I physically had to get up from my couch and walk around because I couldn’t believe how ridiculous that statement was.
I literally yelled OH MY GOD at the top of my lungs like Joey Styles when Russo said that.
That was my favourite bit and made me chuckle at how self-important Russo thinks of himself.
Have a look at the roster from back then, and it will make you walk about some more .
Russo needed to be slap for that bs
to be fair he buried 80% of the roster with his booking lol
If you aren't watching Reliving the War from Wrestling Bios, your missing a hell of a series that covers EXACTLY what happened during this time
Bios goes more in detail with no spin
A couple jam up guys right here ^^^^
@@bjg8638Smokey The Cat approves
I hear a davey boy smith chinlock in the chamber.....😂
“I’d like to say hello to my cat… Smokey “
Seeing Goldberg spear Russo was joy I had forgotten about.
Yeh that was a nice trip down memory lane
That was beautiful
After that episode there should be no question in anybodys mind why Jim hates Russo.
I'm here for Duckman Cornette and this is going to be a good one I can feel it.
I like how Russo talks endlessly about how he hates wrestling but can't keep his nose out of talking about it at every opportunity. Get a different job, bro.
Get any job
i'd call him a leech but that'd be insulting to leeches
Russo had a chance to save WCW with his “genius,” it was still salvageable at that point. But Russo put on the absolute worst wrestling product in American history.
Whether WCW could be saved or not is irrelevant, and I'm tired of Russo making that excuse. He made the product a thousand times worse.
Correction the worst wrestling product in American history until AEW
Worse than Tony’s booking? Doubtful
Russo in 1999/2000 WCW was some of the worst booked shit ever, no doubt. Only Sullivan's 3 months in between at the start of 2000 was worse
Until Tony Khan came along.
When Goldberg called Russo a "shitstain" I asked if Goldberg listened to Cornette. They also didn't mention how Russo wanted to put the WCW title on Tank Abbott.
Love Bret Hart quote "he was just another idiot"
Imagine being in the next room hearing Jim watch this episode, he probably had to pause every five minutes to gather himself and inhale a Sprite.
I imagine there was a lot of swearing
So, wait a sec:
1) Vince Russo takes writing job at WCW.
2) Vince Russo hates writing job at WCW.
3) Vince Russo books himself in a match against one of the most well-known unsafe wrestlers , & gets hurt in WCW.
4) Vince Russo gets paid to sit home with a concussion from WCW.
Anybody else connecting the dots? Or is this just one of those "sheer coincidences" that I'm sure hold no water at all...
Shitstain came off just as bad as everyone not named Bret Hart Booker T or DDP in this series lol
Konnan has been coming across pretty great so far.
@andrewsimpson6220 that's true. Forgot about Konnan.
The controller guy for Turner too: Dick Cheatham. He seems pretty honest and likeable, despite his name.
Bischoff didn't really come off so bad. He at least has owned up to his mistakes.
@@danpoutsma1351 Which one was he? He wasn't the one that could never remember how anything went down when someone put the blame on him, was he?
I love how they retread and wring every fucking molecule out of WCW and the Monday Night Wars because nothing has been interesting since then
Guy Evans interviewed over 120 people who were directly involved with both Turner and WCW for the Nitro book, which is somewhere around 600 pages. It's not just a regurgitation of what was printed in the dirtsheets like the Death of WCW book by Alvarez and RD Reynolds. It's the story from the people who were actually there .
My shift at work is moving at a snails pace thank you for this Jim and Brian
This whole topic should have been one TV episode. AOL/Time Warner did it. They wanted nothing to do with wrestling, threw in the towel and sold it for dirt to Vince.
True but why should they have wanted wrestling when it was hemorrhaging money most of the time they owned it?
@@totallybored5526 That was like hit the turbo pedal on a downhill and never pull it off.
That's the cold boring reality of it. Anything else is really just speculating as to who tanked WCW's ratings and business the most prior to that.
Yep.
The way I see it is that AOL pulled the plug on the terminally ill patient. The show is about who made WCW ill to begin with.
Guy Evans is pretty much the only guy that's actually got Turner execs on the record. His book was the one that actually dove right in to everything, instead of going the easy path of "bad tv killed it"
Nitro is absolutely the definitive book on the subject
Carnys don't like that fact. Basically makes all of this useless. Which it is.
WCW could have been a PG alternative to WWE with big stars from the past (Hogan, Sting, Flair etc) mixing it up with new rising stars (Jericho, Booker, Benoit, Raven etc)
Profitable, ad friendly, smart booking, less egomaniacs politicking
Hence, more attractive to AOL/TW
Great book, listened to the audio version of it. Siegel and his college dorm buddy were the ones that really signed the death warrant imo, they made sure Vinny Mac got WCW and noone else. Who knows how long it would've lived if either Jarret or Bischoff had bought it, but it would've been at least longer than March 2001.
@@garymunyak6753Jim Cornette couldn't be.... Wrong? Could he?
Yes. Habitually actually
@@smarkslowplay3512I see what you're saying, but that's not what made WCW hot during their streak
The RUclips views on this may outdraw last week's AEW Dynamite.
Disco and Konnan confirmed the Booker T story. In a room Russo asked who should be the champ Hogan Jarrett or Book and everybody in the room said Booker. It might be the only 100% true story Russo ever told.
ANOTHER CORNETTE BANGER! I CAN FEEL IT!
An absolute narcissist who lacks talent is the worst kind. Those WCW shows without the editorial guardrails of a Vince McMahon type were putrid. They were fighting for control of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. Jim is proven right once again…
The craziest thing is that Russo wanted to book his show to look like the Jerry Springer show, when Jerry Springer himself has said multiple times his show was the stupidest show on television.
Russo thought wrestling was stupid, so it wouldn't have mattered.
I think even people who hate Cornette must think Russo is a prick after seeing documentaries like this
At this point I could give two shits who killed wcw it's just sad it's not still here thriving and going up against WWE in 2024. So many mistakes could have been avoided and yet no they get bought out for pennies on the dollar
"Duckman? A duck could write Duckman!" That broke me 🤣🤣🤣
Problem is Cornette is lieing about that. Ferrara never wrote for Duckman. He wrote for weird science the tv series.
@@analiysanchez9949 Duckman had decent writing, so that's how I knew Ferrara wasn't involved. Weird Science and that show were both on USA network. I wonder if Ferrara talked about Duckman, or if Jim just repeated the same statement for years thinking it was true.
I really do miss wrestling magazines from the 80’s and 90’s. Good times.
I’ll take Bischoff over Russo every day of the week and twice on Sunday
They're both jokes
I 100% agree with Corny. Whenever someone (repeatedly) states 'I'll be honest with you', alarm bells should go off.
And yes, Vince Russo was a horrible on-air performer.
12/10 on the artwork Travis
I heard Shitstain said the word "Bro" 300 times in this episode. Thank god this isn't a drinking game.
“BrOOo”
Holy fuck, I was high and weed didn't even make him any less insufferable
DSOTR social media team put out a post about the total count 😂
not the episode, the entire interview, which I call bullshit on, it's 300 per minute
Bro
"You put your down down, you thrust your pelvis, HUH! You thrust your pelvis, HUH!" - Jim Cornduck
Lololololol. I forgot all about that
Russo deserved the kick Bret Hart got from Goldberg
well he did get speared into the guardrail and concussed as well too bad he was wearing the football helmet.
Booker t was pissed at this show and rightfully so.
Edit: who killed wcw not the drive- thru or experience 😂
I'm not sure why. I think he's come off quite well on the show so far. But then again, they pick and choose what they want to edit to push a certain narrative, present someone a certain way, or just to make the program look juicier. JR and others have had the same issue with the Dark Side guys
Why was booker t pissed
@@pleaseshutup7053he found out some info regarding what was planned before he won his first wcw world title check out his podcast called hall of fame.
@@pleaseshutup7053 Maybe he said a lot more and they cut it and just put up the racial stuff.
Booker said he will never appear on one of these shows again.
Because Guy Evans is the first person to write a story about Monday Nitro that included the Turner network executives. It’s actually a really simple reason why it was so successful. Because everybody else like your boy from the observer, Brian Alvarez, just buried the bookers for demise.you can’t just overlook the time Warner/Aol merger and then when the bubble popped. Are you shitting me?
It seems most people blame the AOL-TW merger for WCW's downfall. Although I agree it may have been the nail on the coffin, WCW was already losing a lot of money before the merge. Eric Bischoff was a major reason for that by giving ridiculous contracts to the top Wrestlers. There were even guys/wrestlers getting paid 6-figures a year to just sit around and do nothing half the time. Money mismanagement was probably the biggest reason for WCW's downfall.
AOL cut their budget, made them go PG, and dumped losses from other departments on WCW. Ted Turner is the reason WCW lasted.
Corny, those are pay or play contracts. They were standard in Turner.
There's not a wrestling podcast even close to as good as this
I would pay cold hard cash to have Jim review each Nitro from 1999 through to the end. Start off at the Humvee and then descend into the madness from there.
You couldn’t pay Jim enough to watch that circus. Even old Vince McMahon wouldn’t be able to pay Jim enough to watch that madness. And even if he could he wouldn’t because even Vince isn’t that cruel
Bischoff said it BEST.
WCW died a death of a thousand cuts
Yeah. But some of the cuts came from big machetes. Lol
The line of the year, " Grizzly Adams in the Insane Clown Posse!" 😅😂
God I've been waiting for this!!..
Travis heckle you're the f'n man!!
Jim Cornette not wanting Guy Evans in the doc while calling every single other person involved a liar or a grifter is crazy.
Good point. And I want to know what movie he saw David Arquette in and thought he must be a genius.
Please have Jim make review videos on russos nitros
I’d rather see that than AEW reviews.
That would be legendary.
That would be the ultimate torture for him or being brainwashed like Alex was on The Clockwork Orange.
Can we get Jim reading more Russo TNA formats, please?! That was one of my favorite segments of all time.
Between Arquette and the gimmicked Statue of Liberty that would fall apart in guys' hands without even hitting someone with it, it's no wonder WCW drowned and floundered.
The funny thing is, Ferrara wasn’t even successful enough to write Duckman. He had nothing to do with that show. The peak of his career was Weird Science the tv show…
Cornette has been telling that lie for years. Not sure why Last doesn’t take two seconds to figure that out
Trust me, when they get to the ad at the end, don't cut it off. Listen to the whole thing.
This episode made me appreciate my autographed restraining order even more. Russo the demo god 😂
Been waiting for this damn reaction for like 4 days now 😂😂, dont let me down Corny!
I have never clicked on a Jim Cornette video so fast in my life
Meanwhile you have Al Snow on Russo’s podcast acting like a wrestling savant when he never drew a dime and thinks Russo was good at what he did.
His voice kills me. Constant sounding like he’s huffing frion. I guess Russo is an actual Air conditioner like cornette said.
I think Al Snow has some credibility when it comes to training, and building match psychology. But he lost me when was gave Hannibal any credibility.
Al Snow likes to ask loaded questions and then tell you you're wrong no matter what your answer is
WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT???
Plenty of guys treated as jobbers have massive credibility despite having good relationships with people like Shitstain. Al Snow never drew a dime because he was never presented as anything but midcard.
1997 was the very last year I truly enjoyed WWF wrestling. I still watched until 2001, but it was never the same to me.
I think Russo believes if he doesn't end EVERY DAMN SENTENCE with "Bro", he'll spontaneously combust or something 😂. Jesus! 🙄
He has a verbal tick like that pimp that can't stop adding "know what I'm sayin'?"
It is terrible.
He loved giving himself "brojobs" back in the day
Did Ferrara actually write for Duckman? I can only find him being credited as being a writer for Weird Science.
He did NOT. It was the tv show weird science
I agree with 99% of everything Jim Cornette says but I wouldn't say Bischoff "fell into a bit of luck for 2 years."' He had some really great ideas especially while competing with his number one enemy: WWE (F) at the time. Going live against a taped RAW, giving away results to their show, taking a NJPW idea and turning it into the nWo - one of the hottes angles in history, creating new stars like DDP when he didnt even want to, Scott Hall coming up with Crow Sting and Bischoff allowing it, Goldbergs winning streak, etc. The absolute truth is, when Bischoff left WCW, thats when WCW REALLY went down the shitter. He made mistakes, but imagine if Russo was made WCW President in 1996. We probably would've lost an extra 5 years of WCW.
Jim is fucking hilarious! The sarcastic “Russo is up there with Medgar Evers … he’s a civil rights icon.” 😂
Straight facts....Cornette is funny.
Édouard Carpentier reference! (around 41:11) i actually know who that is now after reading death of the territories and the squares circle
Wasn’t the rumour at the time that Scott had a heated argument with Siegel’s niece and then he was done
Scott and her got friendly again like 16 years later.
Why does Cornette think they had anything to do with Duckman? I can't find his or Ed Ferrara's name anywhere on IMDB?
Cuz Cornette is lying or is just plain wrong about that! Ferrara wrote for the tv show weird science
I now doubt the reported Quote Vince McMahon said when Russo told him he was leaving for wCw which was "This is the most devistating call I have ever gotten"
26 fucking times he said BRO....
B R O !
It felt like so many more
See what you don’t unda-staaaand bro, is wrest-a-ling needs char-ac-ters
@@scottyoung7414 'better than 80% of the locker room" where at a gay bathhouse?
Jim's Air conditioning analogy perfectly described my workplace atm EXACTLY......Bro
This series needs to become an omnibus when it's over.
Yep! I need 4 hours of Jim going over who really killed WCW
Holy shit. Paddy Chayefsky.
Jim, I will defend you to the end of my life. That is such a deep cut. God I respect the hell out of you
Surprised me, too.
Corny waiting for that RKO out of nowhere while watching golf is something that came to mind. Cause i would watch it for that too
Duckman! Missed that show
Ahh just saw this pop up 11mins ago! Popcorn and an iced Coffee on the ready!
Guy Evans was one of the better talking heads to have involved. His book Nitro, was a really in depth historical look at the rise and fall of WCW.
It was well researched, and he spoke to executives and senior management at TBS who were involved with the company for interviews on a side of it that we had never really heard from.
Nitro also published full memos, and in depth details of changes that were made, how it impacted business, and the talent roster.
It was a far better book than The Death of WCW ever was, as RD Reynolds and Bryan Alvarez relied mostly on third hand accounts, and reports in the Wrestling Observer as their sources.
“He went to college in Evansville, make of that what you will.”
I grew up in the 812 area code, and on behalf of all the fine residents of that area, Jim, I have only two words for you in response to that quip:
You’re right.
I think just putting it all on Russo is giving him too much credit.
Duckman was such a weird, great cartoon
Russo said with his own mouth that he was writing a "TEL-LEV-VIS-SION SHOW", not a wrestling show (no one talks like that except Russo). He wanted to write the Jerry Springer Show, but was on a TV show that happened to have Wrestling, so he did wrote Jerry Springer stuff into the show anyways.
Yeah it was definitely a term I have heard from these interviews, known as Crash TV.
The difference was that the Jerry Springer Show was a better booked show than the garbage Russo wrote for WCW 🤦🏾♂️
@@LakefrontStudios The thing about the Jerry Springer show was you had a fresh bunch of wacky guests/characters each week. It didn't matter how crazy it all got or how bad you made a person look or what twist happened., They were not coming back next week unlike wrestling if Ken Shamrock sleeps or fancies his own sister, it doesn't vanish that follows him around.
As a rarity, I completely disagree with Jim on Guy Evans. Evan’s Nitro book is without doubt the most comprehensive, well-researched book on WCW’s demise and looks at the company from all angles. Unlike WWE’s angle of ‘WE BURIED THEM!, and the awful Death of WCW book by WrestleCrap’s ‘Well WCW was always garbage LOL’, Evan’s book looks at everything from WCW’s worth to Turner, company accounts, talent acquisitions, as well as the metrics like ratings.
If anything, Guy was actually underused in this show, due to just how much research and decent journalism he’d done on the subject matter, which is rare in the ‘shoot’ business of wrestling.
41:00 Goldberg ended Bret’s career. But Russo thinks Goldberg was intentionally hurting. Just by comparing hart and Russo
We can assume Goldberg is right he didn’t mean it.
While shooting on Vince Russo, Jim Cornette manged to bury Eric Bischoff.
I bet Cornette craps on Duckman because one of the characters is named Corny. lol
The episode was actually pretty friendly to Russo.
Dark Side of the Ring was more brutal on Russo.
Not as much as Cornette, but it's up there.
Putting Russo in charge of the creative is like putting your local Karen in charge of the supermarket just because she complains loud enough.
It's sad when you think about it. Shit-stain has worked with the most brilliant minds that have ever been in professional wrestling. Jim Cornette, JR, Vince Macmahon, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Jerry Jarrett, etc., etc., etc. and he NEVER learned a thing. He actually squandered an opportunity that any true fan would give anything for.
I agree. I'd LOVE to learn more about the business than what JR, Corny or Dutch have told publicly. The inner workings and politics of the business and who gave a crap or not is always so interesting.