Treating Bipolar with Keto and Metabolic Therapies | Hannah’s Experience
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2023
- Hannah Warren shares her experience managing her bipolar disorder with the ketogenic diet and other metabolic therapies. Thank you so much Hannah for sharing your experience with us!
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Fantastic hearing educated, intelligent women speak about mental illness. As a women in STEM I struggle greatly with my mental illness while maintaining "life". This is great to hear from other people who I can relate to!
As human beings we thrive with encouragement and support. I'm glad you're enjoying this delicious conversation. I absolutely love it.
Sometimes, this journey with mental health can make you feel like a lone wolf and that is difficult on top of the cross we have to bear. Coming across the online community was life saving for me.
I am grateful for those courageous souls who beat to their own drummer. I too don't have any time for "complacency". I chose to walk away from a 17 years career as a psychiatric RN, and now work as a mental health advocate supporting individuals who want to explore holistic lifestyle interventions including the ketogenic diet.
I also had a 13-year nightmare with antidepressant induced bipolar disorder which I put into remission. I have my life back, free off medications, and no more swinging between hypomania and suicidal depression. What a miracle!
Finding others on the same path has been a soothing balm on my weary soul. I wish you the same. I'm glad you are here.
How long have you been struggling with your mental health? What's helping you cope so far?
Whoe the fuck cares about the fact they are women. I am here for valuable information, I dont care about their race or gender or age... why do you have to make this about women??? Are you sexist?
Thank you, Lauren and Hanna. My experience was different, I wasn't able to stay off meds. My opinion is that much more research is necessary in regard to mental illness and treatments.
Did you find ketosis helped you? I tried so hard but it doesn't help me and I don't understand why it doesn't work. My psychiatrist is aware of metabolic therapies, but she thinks there's not real evidence for it yet.
@@jasminmorley4644 It helped to improve the quality of my life in general and, also, I think because of that the symptoms were less severe, however, when my psychiatrist took me off medication I went into full blown mania. So, in my experience the treatment with medication has to continue. Is hard I know but that's my experience.
Thank you for sharing! In future interviews, I will be sure to mention that some people appear to benefit from this as an adjunctive treatment in combination with medication. I have heard that from others as well. By sharing my story, I do not intend to say that everyone will be able to go completely off of medication. As you mentioned, more science is needed!
@@RadiantBeasting thank you for sharing your experience!
How do you deal with suicidal ideation ?it’s every day because of sleep med which I can’t stop 😢
Medication is necessary for some, including VanGogh. He was on digitalis for epilepsy, which caused him to (as Hannah Gadsby points out) experience the color yellow very intensely. So perhaps the medication is one reason we have his sunflower paintings.
I didn't mean to say that I am anti-medication. I am not! I was just referring to the common complaint that antipsychotics often blunt creativity. That was my experience. I am not saying this is universal. There is nothing wrong with taking medication. Patients should choose what works best for them.
❤ Wow, I didn’t know this about VanGogh, and it’s very beautiful to think how he perceived this color. I live in France in Pontoise a town right next to where he ended his life, and I often walk in the fields where he painted. Last summer I visited the monastery in Saint-Rémy-de-Provence where he was hospitalized. They had numerous artworks that he created during his stay there in display. One was the Piéta. It brought tears to my eyes. His torment is palpable in that painting. I think many artists suffer mental illness, all of that energy must come out somehow.
As a psychiatric RN, one of my main roles was to administer and monitor the full effects of psychiatric medications. I worked with adults and at risk youth and their families, and I decided to leave psychiatry after 17 years of service mainly due to the incredible damage I witnessed psychiatric medications create in people who are already vulnerable and marginalized. There were additional reasons which I'm not going to discuss here for the sake of time.
Like Hannah, I am not against medications entirely. They can be life saving in acute crisis, but the evidence for long term treatment with psychiatric medications is just not there. The risk vs benefit ratio does not make any sense at all. I've seen youth attempt and complete suicide because they were not sufficiently warned about the black box warning on antidepressants.
The 2nd leading cause of death for youth between the ages of 14-24 is suicide, and the first is Motor Vehicle accidents. Likely connected to substance misuse. The conventional system has huge gaps in addressing these types of fully blown public health crisis.
When our youth come to the conclusion that life is not worth living and take their own lives, what does it say about us as a society? How effective is our "modern" mental health system? How effective are psychiatric medications when a majority of the school shooters in the Unite States were also treated with SSRI's? This is not about blame, but looking at the stark realties of our world.
The United Nations has recently made a substantive critique of current mental health service provisions. "There is now unequivocal evidence of the failures of a system that relies too heavily on the biomedical model of mental health services (namely medication) including the front-line excessive use of psychotropic medicines and yet these models persist." ~ United Nations, 2017 ~
The issue is not even that whether psychiatric medications are "necessary", but that the misuse and abuse of them. The wrong and unnecessary medications can wreck a havoc in a person's life - physically, emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually. It can cause tremendous loss grief - financial, relationships, work and many other meaningful aspects.
Currently the leading cause of disability worldwide is depression and imagine the economic impact of that, not to mention the loss of sense of safety, security, and purpose due to the loss of meaningful employment. We have a world on fire and medications are not the only or even the most effective answer.
The prevailing practice in psychiatry is overmedication and leaving people on long term treatment with which there are no studies to support. A six week clinical trial is not adequate provision to determine the long term effects of any medications, let alone medication that act on the central nervous system.
In my book, psychiatric medications are a necessary evil, until you implement more sustainable ways of creating health and harmony within and without. To that end, what Hannah and those who blaze this trail (including the ancients) have discovered is there are a thousand paths to healing on a deep level - renewal of every cell in our bodies down to the mitochondria. And it may or may not include medications, and in my opinion psychiatric medications need only be used only as a last resort life saving measures in acute crisis.
@@NeseretBemientwhat about people who suffer from psychosis? I have had psychotic episodes many times due to bipolar 1 and my life has been destroyed by the psychosis leaving me to try to pick up the pieces after the episode. In fact I would be homeless many times over as well as dead were it not for my mother stepping in to rescue me. Meds don't help me a lot, but they do help some so it seems like it would be a bad idea to not take them in my case and the case of others like me.
@@laurelpowell8536 If medications are helping to keep you from harm's way then that is the right thing to do. In the mean time you keep exploring less evasive methods of finding health and wellness. For some people long term medication treatment may be necessary. And still those complementary/alternative therapies may allow you to better tolerate the effects of the medication and improve your quality of life.
I love ur transparency and educational videos on mental health! I have general anxiety and ADHD and have recently started seeing a therapist for the first time in my life on a weekly basis. Best decision of my life 😊 I can see mental health issues in some of the people around me but no one wants to admit it or speak on it. I’ve learned that being honest with yourself and accepting your differences is the first step and getting help feels so powerful and life changing for me!! I will always self advocate but your videos make my journey so much more easier! Thank you so much ❤
This came an a stunningly uncanny time! I am bipolar and I started this diet literally today. And had an elaborate conversation for the first time about this exact diet with my mother in law today. What an auspicious sign! SO excited to happen to be going along with your same journey trying to heal your chronic mental illness with metabolic interventions!! I'm more than hopeful--it already works (as I've dabbled in the past) so long as I purely stick to whole foods (in my case also vegan) the results are night and day! I'm am rooting for you to have amazing outcomes!
Thanks Lauren! 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽
I also gained 60-70 pounds on my first AP (Seroquel). Now the metabolic side effects of various treatment are scaring me at age 53.
Running is such a good way to exercise and exercise is always good for our health… in general…with or without a condition of depression.
I just wanted to say how much it is appreciated for the work like this being shared. It is important for those with mental illness's to understand the challenges they face and ways to potentially help make their lives a little more sustainable. Great episode and I will continue to keep watching!
Agreed. So many people languish for years and decades because they are not informed these types of options exist. For someone who is been in deep suffering for so long, this could be the difference between life and death. Not to say this is a panacea but when it works, it does wonders.
I had to leave conventional psychiatry because I knew the current system offers very limited options for treatment. As a psychiatric RN, one of my main roles was to administer and monitor medications and I saw first hand that many of these medication often do not address the concerns but cause great harm.
Clients often described feeling like they are "chemically lobotomized" and were experiencing horrific effects. No it is not "side effects", it was the "FULL effects" of those medications I was a witness to. In psychiatry medication noncompliance is the pink elephant in the room.
Why do people refuse to stay on medications and choose instead to risk debilitating illnesses or self medication? It's not because psychiatric medications are effective but people become desperate. It's not a choice to decide between your peace of mind and your physical health. That's an awful place to be.
Psychiatric medications can be life saving in acute crisis but long term they are damaging to most people. The quality of life is poor and people end up feeling a dumbed down version of themselves. There's no zest for life, just a groundhog day existence of trivial and mundane activities. It's unfortunate.
And when you know how good you can feel off psychiatric medications, you cannot put a price on that state. Health is truly the greatest wealth. I was able to put a 13 year nightmare of antidepressant induced bipolar through holistic metabolic therapies including the ketogenic diet. I finally have my life back.
As a mental health advocate, I now support individuals and at-risk youth and their families through the same process. Now, I actually have something of value to offer to my clients. That is so meaningful and life changing. Having a renewed sense of vision and purpose makes life worth living.
You’re very smart to jump on the bandwagon of using metabolic keto for healing since this movement is going to be huge.
Great interview!! Thank you both ❤
Love and prayers for your journey. I'm so happy to see and learn from you here. I've prayed for you and I'm so encouraged to see you doing well!❤
This is so fascinating! I have bipolar and my therapist has recommended I research changing my diet although I am not sure if she specifically mentioned this therapy. I have pretty much run through all the anti depressants for my depressive episodes, and I do have a decent mood stabilizer, but sometimes during my depressive mode I become so frustrated at feeling nothing or feeling awful that I have taken risks to push me into mania (psychedelic drugs). The last time I did that I was manic for four months and ended up in a behavioral heath center to calm me down - either in psychosis or very near.
I'm so sorry. I hope some of this information might help!
The depressive episodes of bipolar disorders are awful. I can appreciate your desperation but of course you already know psychoactive substances may temporarily take off the edge but will compound your pain and suffering.
Your therapist sounds helpful. I just recently took a course on Metabolic therapies from Dr. Georgia Ede, a Harvard trained psychiatrist who trains Clinicians in Metabolic Psychiatry. It was an amazing course and perhaps your therapist might be interested? I would forward Georgia's information.
As a psychiatric RN, I was diagnosed with antidepressant induced bipolar disorder and struggled with it for 13 years. It was an absolute nightmare. I had suicidal depression in the fall/winter and hypomania in the spring and summer. I had horrific reactions to psychiatric medications in general. I one of those people who was extremely sensitive to any medications period.
Through holistic lifestyle interventions and the ketogenic diet I put my condition into remission. I was medically supervised by my family physician and a pharmacist during this process. I would not recommend doing this on your own. However, your therapist may benefit from learning about the ketogenic diet specifically as she they are already leaning in the nutrition direction.
I would just make sure you have a ton of support if you at some point decide to explore metabolic therapies. It may or may not be helpful but it is worth a try to see if it would ameliorate your depressive episodes.
How long have you been struggling with bipolar disorder and what has been most helpful so far? How are you doing during the current season?
@@NeseretBemient I was diagnosed 34 years ago. I know what medications can temper my mania, but the depressions and anhedonia the rest of the time are so frustrating. I haven’t found any lasting relief there, just antidepressants that work for a while, then stop working but have terrible withdrawals. I think I’ve basically run out of antidepressants at this point. I’m lucky in that I feel good during mania (although many times I make poor decisions). I feel silly because my current manic episode began last week, and I had a therapy appointment yesterday, but I completely forgot to mention ketogenic and metabolic therapies! I should have written it down.
People with bipolar have twice the risk of high blood glucose leading to diabetes. So metabolic dysfunction seems to be associated with poor mental health. A ketogenic diet (like carnivore) can reverse diabetes and help with mental health. Ketogenic diets have been used to treat epilepsy.
This is so interesting and hopefull about future therapies. I can relate to Hannah and her struggles so much. So encouraging to hear how well she is doing. Thank you 🙏🎄 Merry Christmas from Scotland xx
This is a great and informative video. Thank you for this!
Thankyou for this knowledge you both are sharing. I believe it is a very logical course of action. Merry Christmas. Happy Trails!
Thank you for providing a notice at the beginning of the video that it is important to work with mental health professionals in this undertaking! I am excited to follow your journey & findings with this!
Notice was not enough since this whole video is a promotion for going off medication. Some poor delusional soul will hear ONLY that.
The things you two talked about when it comes to reality & existential thoughts is at the core of Hinduism, Buddhism, and nonduality. I can imagine exploring these topics could probably bring a ton of relief to anyone who's dealt with psychosis. You're honestly not wrong to question things and you're certainly not the only people who should explore "reality" at a deeper level. Everyone should.
Super interesting discussion and really looking forward to see how this transpires with all the benefits that Hannah has experienced!
You two are both amazing. Thank you so much for sharing!
Thanks Hannah for sharing your story and insight! I have issues when I tell people about starting keto and why I'm doing it - they have lots of doubts. So much hope though!
Lauren, thank you SO much for posting this conversation you had with Hannah, it's so empowering to hear to people suffering from mental illness / neurometabolic dysfunction discussing this new exciting strategy. I'm diagnosed with bipolar and my mom had schizoaffective disorder (unfortunately, she is no longer with us). I've been trying the ketogenic diet for 4 weeks now, and I've freed myself from the antidepressants and feel even happier than when I was on them, but I'm still on the full dose of antipsychotics, mainly due to lifelong insomnia and how that can trigger manic episodes. I've experienced some adverse effects during longer fasts though, and am currently getting checked out for possible nutritional deficiencies. Again thanks ❤
i love this young woman's spirit..we all know just how complicated and how long it can take to get to a position of strength over conditions..not everyone reaches that point...putting the work in to search and hunt down ways to improve our lives
Awesome! Thankyou for this very validating!
A two month old interview I’m just seeing now? How’d I miss this one…until now. Great interview ladies! Thanks for all the information!
Nice conversation. I myself have been on a low carb diet and intermitent fasting for three years. It helps much.❤
Lauren, this is fascinating! It was great to hear another lived experience perspective. Have you considered hosting a podcast where different people with psychotic illness diagnoses come on and talk about approaches to managing symptoms? I think that would be a great way to share our expertise and insights with each other. Just an idea. Happy holidays! ❤
Maybe incorporate that into the existing podcast, Living Well With Mental Illness?
@@user-wb2yv7ll9d Yeah, I’d be down for that! :)
Yes such a good idea! I love hearing peoples’ life stories
I love hearing about success stories.
We are working on that @metabolic_mind.
I have bipolar as well and I’m inspired now to try it for myself.
You try it or not
My diagnosis just changed to schizoaffective.
Still considering keto, but haven’t tried it yet .
God has a plan and a purpose with you!!
AMEN!!
Amen
Zombie Jesus?!
I did a lot of fasting (for about 4 years) when I first began having symptoms of schizoaffective disorder. Mainly it was caused by a paranoia surrounding food. Because of the fasting my general health improved, but my mental health symptoms stayed basically the same. I didn't exercise that much though, so that could of been a reason for my lack of improvement concerning the schizoaffective illness. Hoping the very best in your endeavor with the Keto diet!
I fasted once for 3 days and ended up in the psychiatric hospital. I never fasted again.
@@Catlily5 I don't blame you for not fasting. I only did it because of my paranoia of being "allergic" to food.
@@catherinel2020 That would be hard to go through.
@@Catlily5fasting is a careful well planned procedure or process that our body can benefit hugely from when implemented properly,and is typically a period of time (according to how we prepare our body firstly and how often we have trained to undergo the fasting,only a certain amount of hours with no solid food intake ,there are no similarities and should never be confused with to suddenly just starve your body of sustenance ,fuel , nutrition ( including fluids ! ) for several days at a time, especially when we are fragile and or vulnerable, this is not fasting ..honey ..and many many ppl should not attempt to undertake a fast or detox without thought to research this complicated subject,I hope you take good care of yourself and your body and mind and really take conscious efforts to treat yourself with kindness and love ❤and know you are well worthy of care and attention.❣️
Someone from My family is just going through schizophrenic episode. Your channel is providing me some help in coping. Thank you for your help and sharing your experience
Thank you for sharing.
Support persons and caregivers have a difficult journey as well.
It is such a vulnerable position to be in when someone you care about struggles with their mental health. There are serous repercussions to their illness and people often end up feeling frustrated and helpless. As well, most people with episodes of schizophrenia typically don't have very good insight into their illness during acute crisis.
What supports do you have for yourself?
I always tell client's families that the best gift they can give themselves and their family member is to educate themselves and take good care of yourself.
It can be incredibly stressful to be a witness to those who are suffering. And you can only benefit them as a support person from a place of balance and mental stability within yourself.
I'm glad you're finding help in this community to help you cope. You can never have too much support, so make sure you're looking after yourself during this challenging time.
Your family is lucky to have someone who cares for them deeply.
Goig from keto to carnivore was a total game changer for me. Depression, anxiety, lack of focus, brain fog, memory problems, and sleep problems all resolved.
Thanks for sharing. My husband has cancer & I have a some mental health issues mostly anxiety & panic & sometimes depression. We are not eating very healthy right now. Would you recommend going straight to carnivore? We’ve watched a lot of RUclips doctors on carnivore. Do you take electrolytes? ❤
What if I don’t like meat?
I've heard before that certain genotypes don't do well with keto. What sort of testing can determine this? Has dr Palmer looked into this?
This would seem wild but when you step back and look at the slop in our foods and the amounts of sugar, it makes a lot of sense.
Very, very encouraging ❤
The best part of this episode starts at 20:39 . I want to hear more conversations like THAT
Ah, this was very interesting! I have bipolar 1, with troublesome cravings for food and alcohol, in fact I bet it amounts to a mild eating/drinking disorder. Bad sleep and chronic fatigue are my biggest issues, I think. I will look more into this.
Hi. I thought I’d mention that bipolar and schizophrenia are both spectrum disorders. Some people’s illnesses are worse than others so while u may be able to manage just by changing your diet, other people won’t be able to. Lauren both my brother and I have mental illness. I have always taken my meds Lauren and not come off them except when the drs took me off. I’ve taken the same drug and titrate the dose as needed. The difference between me and my brother Lauren is he kept coming off his meds and using illicit drugs to self medicate. He’s brain is slowly wasting away from the frequent psychosis that has given him brain damage. Be very careful coming off ur meds Lauren because while u may have to live with side effects it can be better than having your brain deteriorate so badly that u r just a shell. I fully believe that because I took my meds always I have no breakthrough symptoms of my illness. I don’t see things hear things or have delusions. My body has adjusted to the medication so I don’t get that many side effects. I agree totally that diet plays an important role in mental health but it must always be used in conjunction with the use of medication. Ps I’m a qualified nurse and studying psychology part time
Thank you for your comment! I am new to sharing my story in podcasts and will be more careful to mention this explicitly in future interviews. This is emerging science, and there is a lot to figure out. There appear to be some non-responders, as well as people who benefit but still require medication and need to use ketogenic therapy as an adjunctive treatment. By sharing my story, I am not trying to say that this is how it will work for everyone. Overall, my desire is two-fold. I want to spread hope and also to push for more science to investigate root causes of mental illness in hopes of more effective treatments.
Awesome talk with you two...
I was fascinated by the movie Brain on Fire... Super curious, if you've looked into auto immune issues to the brain/gut, maybe exasperating your symptoms?
Very nice to hear you guys. Very informative I wish I have the courage to talk like you guys about my mental problems. I magine living 22 years with a mental problem yet never open open to any one. Hate my self for this.
It is never too late to find community and people you can talk with about your experiences. I would highly recommend it! There is no shame whatsoever in mental illness and being able to talk about it openly can generate connection and support. Please don't hate yourself for anything! Sending positive energy your way! 😊
So interesting and helpful. You are two beautiful and intelligent women who will work to change the perception of how we perceive living with a mental health challenge.
I really hope this diet helps you. I don't understand why I don't benefit from ketosis when the messaging is so strong that it should be helping. I have been carnivore for 4 months, then keto/carnivore for another 5 months, but my mental health continues to deteriorate.
Aw that’s frustrating. It seems that the results differ wildly from person to person. Also everyone may have different root causes. There research showing that up to 30% of people with schizophrenia have auto immune disorders and improved a lot psychologically from immune suppressants. But that doesn’t work for everyone just people with that underlying condition.
I am new to sharing my story, so I am learning a lot about things I should say explicitly the next time I am interviewed. I do not believe my illness is “cured.” There is a difference between being in remission and being “cured.” I am someone who has been metabolically compromised. As such, I need to closely monitor and manage my mental and physical health. I still keep olanzapine in my medicine cabinet and would take it in an acute situation. Luckily, I haven't needed to. You are right that I would not be willing to take it long-term again. I was not motivated strictly by weight loss but by wanting to feel physically healthy. Those are two different things. I would definitely be public about it if I had a relapse episode. I genuinely want to help this movement and people living with severe mental illness. There is no one-size-fits-all answer, and I said that in my interview. I just think we need to push for better solutions and support for those who are suffering.
There may be other therapies you could add. I would join a support group of others on the same journey.
@Irishrose777 yes, I have an autoimmune disease (Ankylosing Spondylitis) and the diet has drastically improved my symptoms. I'd say I'm in remission from the AS, and yet it hasn't helped my mental health.
Excellent. ❤
Lauren,
As for your concern with training, I would look into MAF (Maximum Aerobic Function) Training with a HR monitor to increase fat burning capabilities while still improving performance. I would just note to be patient with it and treat it like your theraputic ketosis intervention.
Love,
Nate, a 26 yo M fellow schizoaffective on the path to remission with keto
Hey Nate, i saw an interview of you somewhere, can’t remember where… would you consider exchanging emails for nothing more than just chat about our experiences with keto. 38 yo M BP2, putting this into remission with keto.
I would also suggest that there are specific foods that have very specific effects on different people, that may or may not be on a particular food plan/ diet
Thank you so much for sharing this keto travel with us. Could you find out whether your coach knows whether keto gives us enough vitamins and minerals?
Thanks for the interview. I would have loved to know what she actually eats, an example of what she eats in a typical day for example. ❤
I do not really talk much about the specific details of what I eat, just because I think the most important thing is getting into ketosis and that can be achieved with a variety of different diets. Also, the specific level of ketosis that is most effective can vary from person to person. I am a dairy-free vegetarian. I eat almost entirely whole foods. I love eggs, veggies, nuts, and berries. 😊 I aim for a ketone level of around 1.5 mmol/L. Important for people to figure out what is right for them through consulting with their care team.
Spot on
Folate, Shilajit and nac helped stabilize my mood.
Interesting.
How do we know Keto is working vs. the false sense of security we get during euthymic periods? I'm pretty confident she'll become manic again. There was a news article where a guy claimed to be cured of bipolar. Two years later he went manic.
Kraepelin wrote about a metabolic root cause starting with the 5th edition of his text book on psychiatry.
Hi there! I have been living with schizophrenia my whole life. I was first diagnosed with childhood schizophrenia at age 4 in 1997, and have been given every diagnosis from bipolar, borderline, and yes, adult schizophrenia too since then. From 2016 - 2022 I was on heavy antipsychotics. They only sedate you, they do not cure bipolar or schizophrenia. The best diet I have found is a vegan diet, meaning no animal products and lots of fresh, green vegetables. This is the most anti-inflammatory diet, and schizophrenia is worsened by inflammation in the brain.
Whether or not you fully switch your diet, brain health relies on a balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids. The traditional recommendation was to eat fish, but these are also found in high concentrations in seaweed and walnuts. Your brain also needs manganese and magnesium to heal, which are both found in almond butter. Add those to your diet for a few days and see how you feel!
I fully agree that lifestyle changes can make a big difference to someone living with a severe, chronic mental illness. It improves mental and physical health when combined with medication but cannot replace it. I feel your frustration with pills. I've been taking them since I was 6, and It took me 20 years to find the right combination. Now, I'm on the perfect meds regimen, go to the most empathetic therapist, and mostly follow lifestyle recommendations. I don't experience debilitating side effects from antipsychotics and actually almost became underweight on them, and my blood tests miraculously improved. It's still hard to feel well at times, but treatment helps a lot. Switching on and off meds can change how they work. It will take forever to find the right combination again. During this period, episodes will be untreated, worsening overall health outcomes. Is it worth it? Everyone decides for themselves. I will never quit meds.
I have not had an episode in the 2.5 years that I have been using solely metabolic therapies, including ketogenic therapy. I also used to think it was impossible to stay stable off of medication. Some people are able to get completely off medications long term with this form of treatment. I have now met a couple of people who have been completely off of meds for 5+ years thanks to metabolic therapies. Some people appear to do better if they do these therapies as adjunctive, positive lifestyle changes in addition to meds, as you suggested. I am glad you are doing well on medication combined with a healthy lifestyle. I would never say someone shouldn't take meds, that is up to the individual. I will say however that in some cases, it is possible to use solely metabolic therapies and stay stable. That has been my experience.
@@RadiantBeasting I'm genuinely glad you live a fulfilling and healthy life now, but 3 people are not statistics. Some people stop experiencing episodes and can go without them for years, have resolved somatic conditions or psychotic outbreaks from medication or drug effects. So, it could be just two events that happened concurrently. As someone in psychiatric research, it's impossible to withhold information about simple and effective treatments. I can’t see how it wasn't discovered somewhere and spread in our globalized world.
I can also relate to some of your perspectives on spirituality, but the concept of healing does not apply to bipolar. It's a highly genetic disorder(s) that starts in the womb by altering gene expression in the brain. However, as you said, BD doesn't represent a single entity but several conditions with distinct mechanisms. There should be so much more to be done in this direction for psychiatry to become personalized rather than randomly giving meds to patients until something works.
I hope it doesn’t come off as arrogant. I just wanted to share my drop of knowledge in the ocean of complex mental health conditions.
I didn't mean to criticize you personally, but I just wanted to respond to the points made in the video. I'm a big bore and couldn't pass by without writing a comment 🤭
@@topatopa5 Psychiatry has a one size fit all approach that does not work for everyone and furthermore is incredibly damaging. And yes throwing spaghetti noodles at the wall until you find one that sticks is the still the current psychiatry practice. It's the same way it has been over 200 years now.
As a psychiatric RN in the conventional system for over 17 years, one of my main roles was to administer and monitor the effects of those medications. We are the eyes and ears of psychiatrist and I've been in many discussion over the years with psychiatrist that randomly give meds to clients and often routinely overmedicate them.
I've witnessed tremendous impact of putting the wrong medication and unnecessary medications, the wrong doses, and or a combination of all those things do to people. It's devastating. The pink elephant in psychiatry is the huge issue of noncompliance.
If these medications were effective people would stay on them but majority do not - people are so desperate they would rather suffer their debilitating illness or self medicate than stay on medications that give them horrific effects, not to mention simply mask their actual illness.
I share my own personal harrowing journey with treatments for antidepressant induced bipolar disorder on my RUclips channel. It was one of the worst experiences of my life. Part of why I chose to leave psychiatric nursing after 17 years of service. I do not believe the one size fit all approach in conventional psychiatry is safe, competent, compassionate or ethical.
And yes there are simple and effective treatment solutions available which allowed me like Hannah to put my bipolar disorder into remission after suffering deeply for 13 years. Now, I have something of real substance and value to offer to my clients. As a holistic mental health advocate I choose to spread the good news. There are thousand paths to healing besides pills.
@@topatopa5 I appreciated reading your comments:) Thank you sharing your journey too. You were just a munchkin when your journey started. I worked in children's Emergency for 6 years, doing psychiatric assessments on youth under the age of 19. Sometimes I get the joy of interacting with the little, little ones. Some of it was heart breaking because they're so young - diagnosis of ADHD, ODD, even anxiety and depression. I had interactions with kids as young as 7 and 8 who had suicidal ideation. But mostly I wanted to scoop them up and take them home.
I'm glad you found something that works for you and gives you relief. I appreciate you struggling for so long to get to where you are. You're patient and persistent. How amazing!
Can CBT and DBT work better and be more helpful while on this therapy?
my son was diagnosed at 27❤❤
What are the names of the medications that Hannah was taking? Of course, not everyone is affected in the same way, but it would be very helpful information for people who need to chart their way through the maze of Bipolar Disorder. In the old days people were automatically given Lithium and for many of them that was a horrible experience. // Would it not be helpful for some people to stay on some prescribed medication while they began a ketogenic diet?
I am bipolar. I felt that i could start eating carbs again and i have become depressed again. I will start keto again.
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Thanks!
Your guest provided some of the best compelling arguments ever, for radical shift in mental healthcare practices. There is nothing more complex than human physiology, but this field waits for it's Einstein. Look at so called "depression protocols" of rTMS. Over 20 years old, and we are still at the beginning. What happened to DMN stimulation? r-DLPFC? l-DLPFC? For over 60 years nobody know hof AP work?! You two should be appointed by UN to lead this new approach. It is a matter of funding and getting this into the spotlight of global public. RUclips is a superb medium for this. Reveal everything, every single detail.
"Studying abroad" does not mean it came out of nowhere...
You put your body through tremendous stress, and it responded. Stress tends to consume a large quantity of B vitamins, which you need to produce GABA. A lack of GABA can produce a cascading effect of glutamate excitotoxicity, leading to bi-polar, (among many other psychiatric conditions).
Tbh I really feel like this is increasing the stigma.
My psychiatrist is actively discouraging me, although he did reluctantly supervise my de prescription.
So I have bipolar And I took myself off of medicine But I also Had eating disorder In the pass And Not fully gone yet How can someone with a eating disorder Do that diet Without going back In my eating disorder Because Almost died
I don’t have any answers but think this is a great question. I have had two hospitalizations for psychotic episodes that have occurred during my lowest weight, when I was suffering from an unrecognized ED and physically overexerting myself. If Lauren and her team could address the risks of triggering existing eating disorders with keto, and steps for mitigating these risks, it would be much appreciated.
@@80islandia That would be pretty cool Because I think she said she has had a eating disorder in the past maybe they will Because in eating disorder recovery You are not posted fast They did say this is not for everyone But every eating disorder professional Says you have to eat 3 meat a day and not fasting very bad for you Is according to my dietician That I had
Interesting. I think wether you have a mental illness or not, implementing a healthier diet will have a positive impact in the overall well-being.
Can you start keto while still on meds? While weaning off meds?
Yes. Most people start keto while they are still on meds. You should only taper off meds carefully and slowly with the help of a clinician. My recommendation is NOT to do what I did, as it wasn't safe. It is much better to do things slowly under the guidance of a clinician.
Also intermittent fasting isnt for everyone, i get moody and kinda psychotic if i don't nurture my stomach with vitamins and protein often enough. Been tapering from 15mg of meds to 10mg and I'm feeling good thus far. There is hope for us and you must keep in mind these stories are not everybody's story.
I'm glad to hear that she felt like herself after coming off meds even though she went psychotic. I personally would rather be psychotic than on these drugs, as an artist and musician who takes my craft very seriously and passionately. It is sacred for me and I will do anything to protect it. Sorry, mental health system, this girl is alive and running wild.
It is not out of curiosity that I ask what do you mean when you both say “I gave up drinking alcohol…”? Are you implying you both were heavy drinkers? Prior to embarking into ketogenic diet? Do you mean that you decided never to touch alcohol…not even in social occasions? Is it common among people with high levels of anxiety to eventually fall into psicótico episodes?
Lauren, I just want to let you know that one of the ads on this (wonderful) interview was for the World Transformation Movement, which calls itself a charity but which other people call a cult. I don't know if you can control what ads come on the site, but I worry that people might think you are promoting the WTM. And some people here might be very vulnerable to their teachings.
my husband thrives on keto, but I do not. I am a very picky eater, its a curse! I have to have my potatoes. Plus, I really dont like cauliflower and no cauliflower does not taste like potatoes.
I tried keto and eventually just went carnivore. Be warned, keto will disrupt your sleep which is incredibly important to maintain, especially with your condition.
Isn’t this only during the transition stage though?
Do you do Omad ? How many grams of carb and which type do you eat ? Do you know your fasting insulin and ketones levels?
@@tby62i think so, I've heard it improves sleep
@@tby62with bipolar, even a week of disturbed sleep can be detrimental and end someone up in the hospital.
@@alexyssaubrie1606 definitely a spectrum for this disorder. Though sleep is important to me - thankfully even the worst of it wouldn’t put me in a hospital.
Check out Dr. Anthony Chaffee, neurosurgeon, former rugby player
Mega athlete
Carnivore 20 yrs
I know you guess are vegan but I recommend taking a look at meeting you nutritional needs without need to supplement
OMG those beautiful eyes ❤❤❤
Hannah resembles a young Mary Timony.
Thanks! I definitely take that as a compliment! 😊
Kind of baffles me that you've not tried things like meditation before... It's highly proven to calm your brain at the very least. How can you fix if you're not even looking at what is happening? Schizophrenia brain is over excited, right? How come you never tried to use meditation-like things to calm your brain (on a regular basis)? Not judging, but i thought that would have made sense for you to at least have tried already.
The alien that caught me in the woods . Used frequencies to track me. I saw jets flying around trying to catch it.
That is what happens when you smoke spike
@@dagrun3821 I have hybrid technology in my head digital implant.
The only problem is long term the keto diet is bad for your health.
I disagree. Doctors are not educated in this matter.
Yay, dietary wu wu...
Definitely not expertise, and clearly not scientific data.
Hi Lauren and Hannah,
The prodigal son
Luke 15: 11 - 32
“11 Then He said (Jesus): “A certain man had two sons. 12 “And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the portion of goods that falls to me.’ So he divided to them his livelihood. 13 “And not many days after, the younger son gathered all together, journeyed to a far country, and there wasted his possessions with prodigal living. 14 “But when he had spent all, there arose a severe famine in that land, and he began to be in want. 15 “Then he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 16 “And he would gladly have filled his stomach with the pods that the swine ate, and no one gave him anything. 17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! 18 ‘I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you, 19 “and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.” ’ 20 “And he arose and came to his father. But when he was still a great way off, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and fell on his neck and kissed him. 21 “And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. 23 ‘And bring the fatted calf here and kill it, and let us eat and be merry; 24 ‘for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry.’ …..”
The younger son is the prodigal, his riot and ramble when he was a prodigal, and the extravagances and miseries he fell into. Why did he desire to have his portion in his own hands? Was it that he might apply himself to business, and trade with it, and so make it more? No, he had no thought of that. But, He was weary of his father's government, of the good order and discipline of his father's family, and was fond of liberty falsely so called (“Do art your wilt” the satanic verse), but indeed the greatest slavery, for such a liberty to sin is. He will not be tied up to the rules of God's government; he will himselves be as gods, knowing no other good and evil than what themselves please. He was willing to get from under his father's eye, for that was always a check upon him, and often gave a check to him. He was distrustful of his father's management. He would have his portion of goods himself, for he thought that his father would be laying up for hereafter for him, and, in order to that, would limit him in his present expenses, and that he did not like. He was proud of himself, and had a great conceit of his own sufficiency. His kind father divided unto them his living. He gave the younger son what he asked, and the son had no reason to complain that he did him any wrong in the dividend; he had as much as he expected, and perhaps more. He set himself to spend it as fast as he could, and, as prodigals generally do, in a little time he made himself a beggar: not many days after. He took his journey from his father's house. He get as far off him as he can. The world is the far country in which they take up their residence, and are as at home; and in the service and enjoyment of it they spend their all. He bought fine clothes, spent a great deal in meat and drink, treated high, associated with those that helped him to make an end of what he had in a little time. When he had spent all upon his harlots, they left him, to seek such another prey. Then there arose a mighty famine in that land, everything was scarce and dear, and he began to be in want. When this young man's riot had brought him to want his want brought him to servitude. He went, and joined himself to a citizen of that country. The devil is the citizen of that country; for he is both in city and country.
2Corinthians 4:4 ( Satan, the god of this evil world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe, so they are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News that is shining upon them. ….)
Sinners join themselves to him, hire themselves into his service, to do the devil’s work, to be at his beck, and to depend upon him for maintenance and a portion. They that commit sin are the servants of sin. How did this young gentleman debase and disparage himself, when he hired himself into such a service and under such a master as this! He sent him into the fields, not to feed sheep, but to feed swine. The business of the devil's servants is to make provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof, and that is no better than feeding greedy, dirty, noisy swine; and how can rational immortal souls more disgrace themselves?
Psalm 49:12 (“Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain; He is like the beasts that perish.”)
He would fain have filled his belly, satisfied his hunger, and nourished his body, with the husks which the swine did eat. Husks are food for swine, but not for men. The prodigal in the far country was dead to his Heavenly Father and his family (true Christian brothers and sisters), cut off from them, as a member from the body or a branch from the tree, and therefore dead, and it is his own doing. He said within himself, he reasoned with himself, when he recovered his right mind, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough! I perish with hunger. He considered how much better it might be made if he would but return: How many hired servants of my father's, the meanest in his family, the very day-labourers, have bread enough, and to spare, such a good house does he keep! I will arise and go to my father. He will not take any longer time to consider of it, but will forthwith arise and go. Though he be in a far country, a great way off from his father's house, yet, far as it is, he will return. Though he be joined to a citizen of this country, he makes no difficulty of breaking his bargain with him. He came to his father; but was he welcome? Yes, heartily welcome. When he was yet a great way off his father saw him, before any other of the family were aware of him, as if from the top of some high tower he had been looking that way which his son was gone, with such a thought as this, "O that I could see yonder wretched son of mine coming home!" The prodigal son came slowly, under a burden of shame and fear; but the tender father ran to meet him with his encouragements. Though guilty and deserving to be beaten, though dirty and newly come from feeding swine, so that any one who had not the strongest and tenderest compassions of a father would have loathed to touch him, yet he thus takes him in his arms, and lays him in his bosom. This kiss not only assured him of his welcome, but sealed his pardon; his former follies shall be all forgiven, and not mentioned against him, nor is one word said by way of upbraiding. It is strange that here is not one word of rebuke: No, here is nothing like this; which intimates that, when God forgives the sins of true penitents, he forgets them, he remembers them no more, they shall not be mentioned against them. He came home in rags, and his father not only clothed him, but adorned him. He said to the servants, who all attended their master, upon notice that his son was come, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him. The worst old clothes in the house might have served, and these had been good enough for him; but the father calls not for a coat, but for a robe, the garment of princes and great men, the best robe, and put a ring on his hand, a signet-ring, with the arms of the family, in token of his being owned as a branch of the family. He came home barefoot, his feet perhaps sore with travel, and therefore, "Put shoes on his feet, to make him easy." He came home hungry, and his father not only fed him, but feasted him. There is excellent food provided by our heavenly Father for all those that arise and come to him. It was a great change with the prodigal, who just before would fain have filled his belly with husks (Yoga, Alchole, New Age practices, Witchcrafts etc. are husks). The bringing of the fatted calf was designed to be not only a feast for him, but a festival for the family: "Let us all eat, and be merry, for it is a good day; for this my son was dead, when he was in his ramble, but his return is as life from the dead, he is alive again; we thought that he was dead, having heard nothing from him of a long time, but behold he lives; he was lost, we gave him up for lost, we despaired of hearing of him, but he is found." The conversion of sinners is greatly pleasing to the God of heaven, and all that belong to his family ought to rejoice in it; those in heaven do, and those on earth should.
Hannah, I pray for you too, I will destroy your enemies Lucifer and his demons (the sprit of depresion), but it takes time, he is not easily give up without a fight.
Switch to carnivore. Youll go quicker into ketosis or ketovore. Just very meat heavy..beef butter bacon eggs. Go very high fat. Your brain needs it.
RIP
Great video ty, if you don't believe in God, Jesus Christ, you're holding yourself back 🙏🏽 ❤
I am a Christian but still take anti-psychotic medication. I believe my illness is a result of growing up in an abusive environment. I became a Christian in 2018 after having a 'born-again' experience. Recently a group of Christians prayed for my healing if it is God's will. I am aware however as Scriptures tell us Jesus didn't always heal everyone since there was a greater purpose in not being healed. If I am ever healed in this lifetime it is in God's timing and His will. However, I will say that my illness has been my greatest teacher and I have found God through it. I volunteer at a mental health museum and glorify God through my experiences and how the Holy Spirit has healed me emotionally and spiritually.
The bible has the answers ❤
Jesus was shizophrenic too ,how come nobodyelse heard God but him ?
You are a feaud
Why do u think she is a fraud?
Fraud