Let's Explore One of Oblivion's BEST Quests, WHODUNIT, & See What Elder Scrolls 6 Can Learn
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- In the Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, the Whodunit quest is a Dark Brotherhood fan favorite! Today we'll explore the various ways it can unfold as well as what The Elder Scrolls 6 can learn from it.
Of particular note is the need to enhance the speech skill and disposition system, far beyond what we saw in Skyrim, borrowing some goods parts from Oblivion and fixing the bad.
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The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fourth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series and was released in March 2006. It is the title preceding The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, which was released by Bethesda in November 2011.
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People tend to forget how great Oblivions AI was. I remember reading an interview with one of the devs. He talked about how they couldn't figure out why after so many hours of a play through, the dark elf at the beginning of the game always ended up dead in his prison cell. The problem ended up being the guards would run out of food, so the guard with the key would break in, kill him, and take his food. The solution wasn't to fix the code, it was give the guards more food lol
There’s multiple cases of Oblivion’s AI making decisions the Devs didn’t account for, such as the Drug Dealer at Bravil getting ganked by the Skooma addicts, City Swimmer getting caught and summarily executed for theft, NPCs going hunting with their fists and getting killed by Predators etc.
I wonder in any similar problems occurred in Skyrim, or if the Devs were able to build the AI with this in mind…
Oblivion and good AI can't go i'm the same sentence...
Nothing like telling people you're an assassin and then observing their confusion when people start dropping like flies
You got to stop idolizing them
@@thecomedygamingnetwork261 ?
@@StygianIkazuchi stop idolizing RUclips
@@Ma1q444 if you're just telling me what they mean, k. if you're telling me specifically to stop idolizing youtube, mind your own business because you don't know what I idolize.
@@StygianIkazuchi I’m telling
Divinity II has this great mechanic called “Tags” and you pick two tags during character creation. It’s essentially character backgrounds like “warrior, noble” etc and characters will address you based on your race or one of your two tags and you even have dialogue options based on your tags. This would be an awesome TES6 mechanic
Not from the start but better to get It trough your actions
It would be hard to earn nobility. I could see a social class tag and a skill one
@@Krack1999 dvnity has that too, there are several quest outcome that could give you the hero tag, and others that may make you a villain, for example
Maybe they could work traits in that system somehow. Your "tag" would have positive and negative attributes like traits, but built on the system used in the 3 fallout games by making dialogue options available.
Edit: I just finished the video, and realize that he said the exact same thing.
No thanks...
Old Lady: So who are you?
DB: I'm an assassin here to kill you
Old Lady: Oh what a joker
4 murders later
*OH*
Old Lady: N a N i???
CoC but yes
lmao
Honestly this dialogue option is why I like to save her for last, because it's great when she realizes you're the killer, as you actually told her.
Easily one of the best quests from oblivion
Among us before among us existed
@@ByrgenworthGraduate no one knew you were sus
It's a quest I can play a new way each time! Most recently
- Walked in with a sparse inventory. Party outfit, lockpicks, and inconspicuous magic items like amulets with life detect
- Played along with the scavenger hunt on the first day, confiscating all the stashed weapons in the house
- Steal and use Neville's mace. Killings begin.
-Eat a sweet roll after each kill
- Killed Matilde, who is normally on the ground floor by herself anyways.
-Took out Dovesi with Nel's stashed sword. Put cheese on her body because that's why she went in the cellar.
- Killed Primo in his sleep
- Turn Nels and Neville on each other at the same time. Neville will fumble his armor chest that's empty.
- With the final survivor, "find" the actual gold. Do the deed and have a sweet roll.
- Plant weapons on each of their bodies and leave
You're crazy. And I love it. Sithis guide you.
Skyrim Dark Brotherhood quests have nothing on Oblivion's. Oblivion's were so much more unique and you felt like a real assassin. Skyrim just made me feel like I was taking the orc's advice of rushing in with a big sword.
Fr. It’s much better to run in with a big axe instead 🪓
Thieves guild as well, both were significantly better in Oblivion imo.
Which is why Skyrim has you killing the imposters of the dark brotherhood, false assassin’s.
Sometimes I've started Oblivion up out of nowhere just to play this quest again
lmao
same about a million times
Same gurl
im doing this 7 mns into the video
Guilty! I love this one.
I think I'm going to do that after watching this video.
I wish I could go back in time and experience Oblivion for the first time at that age in my life. I think it was the most fun I’ve ever had with a video game and I’m too old to get sucked into a game like I was able to get sucked into Oblivion.
No you’re not.
@@RUclipscanfuckagoat I’ve really tried and just haven’t enjoyed much since The Witcher 3…
@@OmniscientSloth have you played the dragon age series or mass effect
@@BB-pb3hv I have, fantastic! I miss those days
There's a hidden dialogue option for Neville if he kills the second to last target and he's neutral to you. He realizes you're the assassin and stands his ground. I found this out because I was using an Illusion spell to increase people's affinity for me.
Dude this happened to me yesterday when I played! I was like "holy fuck did I lose my bonus? " 🤣
Oblivion in general had AMAZING quest writing. The best I've ever seen in any RPG honestly.
*I just want Spears man... Spears*
(And also, Fudgemuppet to be Lore Masters in a library)
@Sanguine
Yeah, and funny thing is, I've never played Morrowind, or much of Oblivion, but the idea of the far more various weapon choices is so enticing 😓
I want throwing stars, darts, and knives back. Crossbows in the base game. Pretty much every other weapon that was available in Morrowind back in TESVI. Make Marksmen live up to its name again. Also Spears and Halberds should come back.
Having more variety couldn't hurt at all. If I'm an assassin, throwing frenzy darts or poisoned knives at my enemies from a darkened corner adds to the experience.
There's no reason they couldn't do it either, they have the time, technology, and resources. So there shouldn't really be any sacrifices to save time on development.
@@lazilycatharticone4191 more weapons vatiety will hurt... you enemies
@@andrewhavrylei6333 Damn right 😤😆
You can have spears. Plenty of mods.
In Skyblivion, when Nels says his daughter looked just like a dark elf girl -- it will be harder to make that believable when not everyone has Oblivion butter-face. And when all the dark elves in Skyrim look like goblin-faced weirdos.
Oi! You got something against Skyrim's big brow/cheek boned and pointed chinned frea-I mean elves?
To be fair the female dark elves in Skyrim have much smoother features than the males do at least
I love the Dark Brotherhood missions in Oblivion so much more then Skyrim. (Spoiler?) Assassinating the Emperor is cool and all but thats the only exciting quest line there is.
Compared to Oblivion where I got the bonuses for every quest 🔥🔥
I agree, it did send chills down my back when the emperor seemed so non-chaulant about it though
You have bonuses in every Skyrim guild missions...
@@ToastLabs The man was a puppet body, he knew his days were numbered 🤣🤣
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I think he set it up. He does ask you to tie up the loose ends & kill the person who paid you to kill him.
He accepts his death with a nobility
that made me respect him enough to give him a quick death & carry out his final request.
I would say the wedding assassination was a great quest in Skyrim too. But overall, I think the Oblivion DB questline is more satisfying.
I always like keeping a save file just before that mission just so i can go back whenever i wan’t to play it again.
What precisely is so fun about the quest? Don't you just kill the redguard when he takes a nap and then use frenzy one by one on the others and lead them into the basement to kill them?? Is this video covering a mod or something??
I'm playing oblivion for the first time and I did this, from the description of the contract I already knew they cooked
New Vagas did an amazing job on quests, dialog and personality / speech craft, definitely something Bethesda Game Studio can learn from
It was awful in terms of speech checks you could fire pistols all the time and improve your speech skill, and on top of that they are just there in the dialogue menu making it so much easier to use and requiring less thinking. Gothic 2 had much better choices even though it came before new vegas, heck even in this quest you actually had to talk to people to get new dialogue options. Disco elysium has the best speech checks in any game making even the consequences very captivating
Unpopular opinion, but I actually LIKED the speech mini game in Oblivion. One issue with speech is trying to practice/grind/etc the skill. But in Oblivion you can literally practice Speech one ANYONE, and I loved that.
This quest was the most fun I had as an assassin. It was great as a kid maybe I’ll go back and play it again
Among Us, Oblivion Style.
Just without any cringe overused memes xD
Truly one of the best Oblivion quests...a timeless classic
What if, as an added twist, the player would have been allowed to recruit the last survivor of the murder spree. Who would you pick, and why?
Dovisi. It would be fun to turn an such innocent girl into a brutal assassin. The fact she hates killing makes it even more fun.
Nels would be a party animal
Neville the former imperial guard would be interesting to corrupt. Nobody would ever suspect the former guardsman, who swore to keep people safe. He wouldn't be easy to convince, but it would allow him to make enough money to live comfortably, unlike the pension that former guards may or may not receive. Maybe the money would be enough to sway him, maybe not
I'd turn the old lady! She'd absolutely never be the suspect from any locals.
The dude who paid for them to all die wouldnt be very happy
I’m just glad we can all agree that this might be the best quest in oblivion. I always have one save right outside Whodunnit so I can relive it on a whim.
I like the Nord outside the manor is named Fafnir, and references the dwarf turned dragon Fafnir who’s very protective of his gold.
Lmao the way the nord just ran up to the granny and punched her 😂😂
This is easily one of the best quests in any game, as far as I am aware.
"You know, you remind me of myself at a young age. All I cared about was riding narwhales and sleeping in honeycombs and drinking babies' tears. Word of advice, if you ever ride a narwhale, mind the pointy end."
What's this from? And why Baby tears 👀
If you avoid the pointy end then where are you gonna sit?
@Sanguine
Mad God? Oh, Sheogorath you mean?
@Sanguine I didn't know the Mad god and the god of Pleasure and Darker indulgences were cool with each other?
@Sanguine hope you know you're actually worshipping a fallen angel with your channel name...
I really hope the Bethesda watches your videos. You’re probably the best mouthpiece for the fan base.
One of best quests of TES4 after the Ultimate Heist quest. You guys are bringing back a lot of good memories.
This was by far my favorite quest in the elder scrolls series. It was always bittersweet for me though because I knew that after this quest the rest of the dark brotherhood questline wouldn't be nearly as good.
14:21 has me howling
Idk why, but michael's solo vids are gold!
The real question is, how would Ocheeva know whether or not you were seen killing anyone? They'll all end up dead anyway.
Maybe the doorkeeper is keeping an eye on things?
Maybe the guests would've opened a window to call the guards?
It is kinda dumb, if theres one person left and u kill them but they see u it still counts as detected. Very dumb
Sithis knows
YEEEEEEES!!! This quest is my #1 example of why I find Oblivion more fun than Skyrim.
I agree 100%. I like skyrim for a lot of (mostly) exploration and updated combat "feats" but oblivion had pure grade A quests with this one leading them all lol
I don’t agree while oblivion has better quests Skyrim does near everything better. oblivion open world is one of the worst I’ve seen there’s nothing to do very plain and just copy and pasted dungeons
Skyrim is supposed to be more epic and wild cause of the setting and it did.Oblivion by setting is more cosmopolitan and civil you know cyrodiil so quests tend to be more intriguing but skyrim has lotta epic quests too for example the quest about east empire company raiding island
@@boranathan1616 Good points! I'm not saying Skyrim was bad in any regard (I'm still playing it today unlike Oblivion). Skyrim is an amazing power fantasy, but Oblivion was an intriguing story both in and outside of its main plot. I just found stories to be more fun than limitless power personally.
More videos about Oblivion plz!👍👍
I still remember my brother playing this quest over and over seeing the different endings and outcomes of the quest, it was truly the pinnacle of quest design.
The one thing I like is how the bonus reward of a previous mission boosts speechcraft and they mention it in this quest
This is definitely my most memorable and favorite quest in oblivion, even had save just for this quest to see the different outcomes.
19:14 clearly, Fudge doesn’t appreciate the powers of a nice bit of cheese as a coping method.
You sound like the spokesperson for Wallace and Gromit 😂
This makes me sad that I could never get into Oblivion. I started with Skyrim, but this makes me REALLY want to try and get back into the game. 😭
You were probably too used to the thu'um and the enhanced graphics vs oblivion but it is an awesome game. And sets up Skyrim 200 years later. I felt this way at first until I got into the story a bit more and started piecing Skyrim and oblivion together.
same. I'm a normie that started on Skyrim, love the ES universe now largely thanks to fudgemuppet. I played oblivion but I mostly just rushed through the main quest line just so I could say I beat it. The engine just felt weird to me and things just felt off. I couldn't immerse myself. they should remaster the old games instead of releasing Skyrim 10 times.
If visuals are the problem, there is Oblivion Character Overhaul, Qarl's texture pack, Cyrodiil ENB, and Oblivion Reloaded. I recommend the first three combined over Oblivion Reloaded, but if you take the time to optimize them you can run them all for an amazing looking game.
You could wait for Skyblivion to be finished or play it as it is now. I feel the same way about Morrowind, but I started TES with Oblivion when it was all the rage. Which is why I'm waiting for Skywind first, then Skyblivion.
@@KillerChickn That is definitely not reliable, they won't be out for such a long time.
IDK why, but 24:18 is just so funny to me. HAHAHA 🤣
Beautiful
I knew what this was before clicking on the videooo lmao. This is the best DB quest ever. hands down.
I like how the doorman's name is Fafnir who guards his father's house of gold and gems
Indeed, it's a reference to an old Norse saga. It all starts when a young otter decides to eat his morning catch with his eyes closed so he doesn't have to see how the fish gets smaller with every nibble.
One thing leads to another, and next thing you know there's a dragon guarding a hoard of cursed gold spawned from the magic ring of a robbed dwarf.
Probably my favorite quest in any game I’ve played. *Chef’s Kiss*
This was always my favorite quest just to mess around with the different scenarios and I didn't even know that some of the dialogue is disposition based as my usual Mo would be to just bribe them till they like me because I didn't like the mini game. But I specifically remember two different runs I did which ended with me and the Redguard and another one with me with the noble dude killing someone in the basement before I killed them. I actually really liked having them as allies and then just turning on them at the last possible second. This quest really brings out the psychopath and everyone and to be honest that's why it's fun.
The old lady just wants to touch Neville's curved sword. Curved. Sword.
LMAO.. haha..
I would literally save right before I got through the door, and always keep the save so I can replay this quest when ever I wanted. Favorite quest
I love Michael’s energy!
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That whole questline is my absolute favorite. In skyrim, they were despicable, but in oblivion they were absolutely depraved. The things you do, are just horrible. Then you get to the ending, read the diary, and then you realize how deep that rabbit hole goes. The quests are fun, but they constantly remind you, that you are the villain.
I wrote my first fanfic, shortly after Oblivion came out, about Olga (Nels daughter) being the one that prayed to the Night Mother. Basically, her father ran when the bandits attacked leaving her behind. When she escaped the bandits, Neville blew her off because she was just a Barbarian. Dran was a child new to the city and saw fit to pelt the misshapen Nord with rocks as she was a bully. Petitt was the one that hired the mercenaries (bandits) to try and reclaim some semblance of her family's former glory, and Primo just snubbed her. All of them had created and added to her suffering. It was a prayer that didn't leave much gold for the Dark Brotherhood but one that the Night Mother would have heard very well.
I love this misson!
Where can I read it?
My favorite thing was to have my last two people be Primo and Dovesi because you can get pretty interesting reactions from them. I'm pretty sure if you talk to Dovesi, she'll say something about not being able to believe it's Primo, but knowing it can't be you. Then she'll go attack him. It was funny to me pinning the two people who looked each other against one another. Even if ones interest was much greater than the other's
Dark Brotherhood Assassin: I don't care about the gold, I just killed everyone so I could have all the sweetrolls!
You can do this quest even on increased difficulty, without high hand-to-hand by just sprinting in the building and hitting each of the people really hard in the face once. They won't even know it's you and you get the bonus. The Redguard was about to put his armor on but i just hit him once and he died,
Six sweet rolls, six guests, you can remove one each time you kill a guest, and everyone is trapped in a manor..
This, plus the characters’ personalities, seems like it’s referencing Agatha Christie’s ‘And Then There Were None’. A young lady, a former military man, a young guy who does reckless things out of boredom, a buff and cheery guy, and an old defenseless lady - suppose that makes us Judge Wargrave.
Thank you for making this video. I haven't played Oblivion but have always heard that this is one of the best quests in the entire series. Now I see why, with all the opportunity and agency. I think you're right about the speechcraft problem and the need for more ways to do a quest. Love you guys' videos and hope all of you are doing well.
Never been so early to a vid
This is one of my favorite quests in Oblivion. I have fun killing all the guests in different ways. My last playthrough I killed everybody in clear view, and nobody was the wiser.
i found this mission a long time ago when one of you from fudgemuppet made a video about it which got me make a whole new oblivion character and playthrough the dark brotherhood
Definitely one of the best quests of Oblivion and a great showcase how what makes Oblivions quests better than Skyrims.
Has anyone else noticed that Nevil (the Redguard) sounds like the same voice actor as Preston Garvey in Fallout 4?
I had a save that I constantly would replay this quest trying every possible combination and I had a blast every time
This is one of my favourite quest in any video game ever.
It's not about the destination it's about the journey. Sometimes it feels better taking the back roads instead of the interstate. Yeah it might take longer and be rougher on your tires but there's a serenity.
Thank you! I've always said this is my favourite single quest in all of TES, it's just so damn good!
It would also be cool if TES 6 had the reverse of this quest in the game, where you were just a regular house guest and had to figure out who exactly the real killer was (Obviously this wouldn’t involve the Dark Brotherhood quest line from your POV, although that would be a really cool intro into the guild- where you strangely find them randomly performing a job and you had the choice to either turn the killer in, kill them, or just straight up ignore it; then later on giving you an audience with a guild leader). That kind of quest would bring up a lot of nostalgia for the past players without strait up copying such a great quest. 🦦
Wow great video, as a newee RUclipsr this is a real inspiration. Very entertaining
"She'd never leave your side after the first kill was made allowing you to lead her somewhere private to kill her"
Yes, but only if people noticed her following you and you have to explain it convincingly or else your cover was blown.
One thing I wonder about WHODUNIT is....what happens to the doorman? We don't see him again after the quest and only meet him at its start.
Maybe there was no doorman. Sithis works in murderous ways
I think hes an assassin from another location
I wonder if you’d be able to fill a container with poisoned apples and just sleep and wait till you run out of food and they eat the apples, I wonder if the devs scripted it for a week or month long experience
Great work michael.
What a quest! Makes me want to play an oblivion assassin playthrough
I liked this quest and the poison apple quest.
I left a save permanently locked in on this quest in order to be able to return and replay it in different ways. Definitely the best or one of the best.
Oh, I loved this. Apart from Shivering Isles expansion.
Holy nostalgia, batman. It was awesome
best quest in the whole of the series : ) you gave it the attention it deserves
Great trip down memory lane. Great video!
The end reminded me a bit of daggerfalls disposition system at the start
Really hope the Elder scrolls 6 will be dynamic in so many ways with NPC interaction world space like being able to use some type of thing to knock rock's or part's of stuff loss to have fall on your enemy's and just overall feel more alive like I hope NPC's have a ton of dialogue like I mean a ton also more magic type's like ya know I am surprised there isn't more Nature type's of magic like imagine being able to have Tree's grab enemy's with their Branches or have Vine's whip enemy's or Grass start pulling enemy's downwards like quicksand and here is something that I feel no one talks about Necromantic Nature Magic cause Tree's are alive same with other nature thing's sure they don't have a soul but still bringing anything that was alive back to life counts as a form of Necromancy in my opinion another thing on the Nature magic with the whole Tree thing and all that imagine being able to take the form of a Nature giant if you max out Nature magic that would be interesting to say the least yep I just went on a Tangent about Nature type's of magic :|
i was literally talking about this quest yesterday
One of the best quests from all the games
I’d be keen for a quest like this to have the option to tell the guests the truth, then devise a plan with them where maybe they drink potions made with materials in the house that make them appear dead (Romeo and Juliet style) and then you begin taking down the Brotherhood or something grand like that.
TES VI should make the thalmor win, that would be a good twist
If only the Thalmor could take back tamriel for the elves
I think Paranoia is a better quest that shows off the same things as Whodunit with more player choice and consequences. You should do a deep dive on that quest too as another great example of what was I think the pinnacle of premise and quest execution.
Easily my favorite elder scrolls quest ever
For those saying this quest inspired things like Among Us- it's not an original idea. I recommend the Agatha Christie novel this was heavily lifted from, "And Then There Were None" (not just the whole conceit, but also minutiae like the sweetrolls, the anonymity of the host and presence of a storm, which is the book's excuse for their being trapped). Actually a decent read.
Hey guys i had idea for a video subject. It would be cool if you guys made a video about the in game authors of books. Like waughin jarth. Thanks for your videos.
Dovesi being described as a sweet young girl but sounding like a sixty year old chainsmoker is so jarring, lmao
Hello, FudgeMuppet, I have a few suggestions for a future video regarding your fallout content
1) A part two to your perks done right with an explanation of all the perks you would make.
Or
2) A Fallout Empire type video for fallout NV with a Mr House ending set 49 years after the 2nd battle of hover dam, just before people going into orbit.
What do you think?
Hammerfell is a trader nation. Let’s see Murder On The Colvian Express!
Hmm... I'm thinking "Murder on the High Seas", since Hammerfell is known for its sailors. So maybe a merchant ship from Highrock set to port in Sentinel. You hop on as a guest, paid for by whatever assassins guild is available.
Personally if the DB is limited to Skyrim and barely able to expand, I vote for the Morag Tong to make a comeback. Since Solstheim alluded to that happening.
The goal is to kill all the guests on board, maybe start with the ship captain so the boat would be stranded in the Iliac Bay. From there, you can kill whomever with a mixed variety of reactions from the passengers and guards on board. Depending on how you off them of course. There'd even be creative ways to kill, placed by the devs. Poison the banquet, push a passenger off into shark infested waters, trap a sailor's foot in the chains of the anchor and release the lever. Steal a valuable item from a Nobel and place it in a commoners room, framing them for theft leading to their execution by the guards. Or the classic dagger in the back, turn them against each other with speech, make a Nobel go crazy with a frenzy spell or poison and have them attack the crew, all sorts of other creative ways to end a life...
The bonus of course, is to not get caught killing them. A way they could make that seem realistic is to have a member of the guild (preferably a mage) morph into various animals on board keeping an eye on you, since polymorphing is a thing in the Elder Scrolls (it hasn't been seen since Morrowind tho), rats, seagulls, maybe a cat... Could even have some funny dialogue after the quest is over, if you tried to kill them everytime you saw one of the animals.
Also, is that Babette?
@@lazilycatharticone4191 Lets see HAMVIERFELL with a Thieves’ Guild run by Cyrus’s great-grand kid or some such, that has us as pirates, and a Dark Brotherhood run by Babbet, who either fled to Hammerfell to escape the Penatus Occularus or returned with Nazir to his homeland to re-expand the brotherhood.
I’m just a little girl, the Dark Brotherhood killed my mamma and poppa. Help me, please help me.
Primo's grief actually makes me feel bad.
Oh well. Stabby.
Do top 5 destruction and top 5 alteration builds!!! We need more builds!!!
Quests like these remind me a bit of Arkanes play your way style
Imagine if one of the other guests also went around killing people
Whodunit is literally Among Us
the hero of kvatch was kinda sus
I need to install oblivion and finaly play it more than 5 hours!
When I played this quest, I watched all of my prey like a hawk, as my sneak was low and it would have been easy to get caught if I screwed up. I also restricted myself to only being able to reload a save all the way in Cheydinhal and having to trek all the way back if I screwed up. At the time, as I didn't know how the AI worked, I thought if I was too close to the body when they died, even if I killed them without being seen the other residents would come to the conclusion it was me (which isn't true, as long as you kill them without being seen you can stand over the body and they won't think it's you).
At first, I spent a few in-game hours getting to know all of the guests. I listened to all of their dialogue and got a general idea of how everyone felt on each other. In particular, I noted Dovesi Dran's infatuation with Primo, and Neville's hatred of Nels (and vice versa). I wanted to exploit both of their unique relationships, so I convinced Dovesi Dran to go to go to Primo's room while he was in the living room. At the time, Neville and Matilde were sound asleep, and Nels was drinking in the corner. She was my first kill.
I left her body and decided to sleep in the bed that Neville was sleeping in. When I awoke, he was gone and Matilde was gone, with Dovesi of course dead. Now that everyone was on edge. I watched and waited, once again planning my next kill. I couldn't find any opportunities (honestly had plenty, but again I gave Oblivion AI too much credit) and I decided to just sleep. When I awoke, Neville's was asleep again, but I was stubborn and wanted to see how the Nels/Neville rivalry played out so I didn't kill him. Nels stayed in the same place, but interestingly Primo was all alone on the bottom floor...
I was rushed to kill him, and rushed to get out of there. It was probably the most tense moment of all the quest and made me truly love the feelings the quest gave me, even if it was all in my head. I rushed to Neville's room, who was still asleep, while Nels and Matilde talked, and I slept again. Of course, when I awoke, it didn't take long for me to kill Matilde secretly, and so I finally got what I wanted: the conclusion of the Nels/Neville rivalry. I hadn't talked to Nels much that quest, mostly focused on the others, so I decided to talk to him and raise his disposition. When I learned of why he hated Neville, it made it all the more satisfying and rewarded to convince him to kill Neville, even if I thought it would be one sided. I was pleasantly surprised when he took out Nevilles so fast, and of course I killed him, in which I tried to give him a grand fight to the death (unequipped all armor and used my weakest dagger) but I still took him out in one strike which I didn't intend. Best Elder Scrolls quest.
They said among us quite a few times, now that I think of it, the quest is very similar 😂
maybe that quest its the inspiration of Among Us.
@@josevillanueva2944 doubtful, this quest itself was inspired by Agatha Christie. Spy Party is more like this than Among Us.
@@DevilboyScooby i think i heard of that lady Agatha Christie, i dont remember if she was in a list of mysterious dissapearings?? But i think i will catch on eye in that story.
A great lore question. Who would win the Alliance War?