Being a skinny black African woman is NOT easy. One guy once told me that even though I may be conventionally pretty, (his words, not mine💀) the fact that i wear glasses and the fact that I am not thick makes me the studious type of woman that men will likely ignore. Being overlooked has been a blessing in disguise. My sister and some of my female relatives have to suffer through extreme objectification. I won't make this comment long but overall, skinny or thick, there's no winning with a society that refuses to address the core of the problem.
My daughter is skinny. 21 years old. 98lbs and 5’5. She hates it. She wants to marry and have kids, but every relationship she attempts fail because he’s entertaining thicker women. The last dude she broke up with because he told her to start eating and go to the gym. That’ll make her look like a grown woman. She knew he would eventually play her. My daughters is a huge eater. She just doesn’t hold any weight. She was excited to hit 102 at one point but now is back down in the 90s. She’s just a tiny person with a nice shape. I keep telling her to be patient. She’ll find her RIGHT match.
I am currently 24 and I have been told that I look really young. Personally, I think I look around my age but that could be because I can tell if there are tiny changes with my body. I have generally looked the same since I was 18 and it's led to several situations where people wouldn't take me seriously as an adult. I have a cousin who's currently 22. She gave birth to her baby boy 6 months ago. Even after going through pregnancy, she barely gained a significant amount of weight. I mention my cousin because she and I endured countless comments about how our beauty does not matter if we're not thick. We tried so hard to gain weight but ultimately failed because we have high metabolic systems. Sometimes we'd get so sick just trying. It was awful. My mental health was affected. At any rate, I am currently on the road to recovery. I'm taking some counselling. Many people are suffering because the preferences of certain individuals were pushed as the general standard. Those who don't fit the standard are treated like lesser human beings. My cousin had to endure poor treatment from her boyfriends. Seeing her go through that made me wary about romantic relationships. Consequently, I've never been in a single relationship. The right one will find their way to me. I don't need any more toxicity in my life. Going back to my cousin. She's raising her precious little boy on her own and she's happy. I'm glad to see her happy. My sister who gets a lot of attention for being thick has avoided relationships because she despises being objectified. She wants to lose weight. My mother had to watch us all go through several phases of being unhappy with our bodies. One of her daughters would be trying to gain weight while the other was attempting to lose weight. Which brings the question of what the perfect weight is? Shouldn't we all just try to be healthy? Standards will change tomorrow anyway. Your precious daughter will be okay. There's more to life than being desirable. In fact, when you put that aside, you learn a lot. What's for you will come to you😊
as a skinny black african american woman with glasses i fully feel heard and seen. it’s the reason why a lot of my insecurities and body disorders as well as eating disorders has been developed ):
adding onto my additional comment from above, I am currently 23 years old and I have a look the same facially and physically since I was probably 17. I never really experienced any body dysmorphia or uncomfortableness until it has been pointed out by others, as well as my family members, who will make a comment about my weight, and how I’m overly skinny. And I definitely agree with concept on how looking younger and having a more lean body type is harder for some people to grasp in a professional world because people often view young black women who are young adults to look a certain way, and to have a certain body type. Not being met with a standard and entering my late teen and early college years with this new beauty standard has caused me some difficulties, as well as all a lot of relationship struggles as partners with often cheat on me for curvier thicker looking women, leading me to suppress myself into a hole or body negativity and hyper activeness in order to make myself appear like the instagram models and female rappers that are flooded on social media platforms, that being the supposed blueprint of how young black womens body goals are supposed to be. i really do feel seen and understood in this comment section as this feels too too too close to home. being called skinny minnie all my life and feeling relatively unattractive because i have 4c hair with glasses and no ass and boobs while my older sister and older cousins and even close friends have bodies that i would literally dream of obtaining. however i’m slowly working on trying to love myself and every inch. it’s a process, but it’s not impossible. it may feel like it on most days but it’s definitely something i hope one day to feel better about bc it’s so easy to fall victim into what the internet wants you to look, especially since i’ve been super torn about getting plastic surgery just bc i feel like i won’t hate myself anymore
@@OneHealthOfALife those men aren’t right for her. The fact that they’re cheater should show her everything that she needs to know. These men will cheat regardless, and they knew she was slim when they got with her. Some men love control and they want to humble you. Some women struggle with losing weight that would love her problem. As a slim woman, I understand how society ( urban culture) can act. However, there are other men black and non black that will embrace her. I’ve had naturally thick friends and when they put on to much weight ppl will easily fat shame them. They were sexualized to the maximum, skinny women can be sexualized too. However, them rejecting her was a blessing. They were gonna cheat regardless. They seem ignorant “ grown woman body”. Comes in different sizes, some women are meant to be plus size, thick, & petite. Your daughter should start looking into other types of men. Some might be preying on the fact that she is insecure about her size and purposefully trying to hurt her. I hope she isn’t disclosing that she is insecure about her body to them. Some men might uplift her but others will weaponize this. She needs to be very careful and selective when opening up.
“Beyoncé was initially the muse for this particular beauty standard, but over time, that image has been remixed so much that the current iteration is so far off that even the blueprint tried to mimic the replica.” OH.
Janelle Monae recently talked about this. How they kept trying to lose weight to be as thin as they were in their early twenties but nothing worked. We as a society have to learn people will age and the body changes. That doesn't mean a person is fat. A lot of it has to do with hormones
The fact that anyone believes that celebrities don't have "dental work" done (to borrow Kathy Griffin's joke), is a testament to how we are expected to think celebrities are just so pure and perfect, the mystification of coveted beauty. If we had to admit that with enough money, you can purchase beauty, it would break that parasocial relationship bond for many folks. An interesting comparison is to how similar this conversation seems to be in J-Pop and K-Pop culture in East Asia. Even though some of the eye surgeries, implants, chin reshapings, and rhinoplasties are pretty obvious, you are still expected to act as if no work has been done, and the celebrity is supposed to do the same. If someone is publicly discovered to have had work done, they are shamed for it.
There’s also a lot more infantilism when it comes to kpop and jpop idols in comparison to black artists, especially when they’re men. Even if we can admit they had work done, we interpret it more as something done to them while women and especially black and brown women are accused of doing it to themselves.
They blatantly promote plastic surgeries while conveting natural beauty. They makes people feel ashamed even after archiving their "perfect" bodies...but they would also be the one suggesting plastic surgeries to "correct" or "enhance". Things is a lot of people fall for it too or convinced themselves that surgically achieved features are natural then beat themselves up for being "ugly". The beauty standards and judgemental society is there to just mess with insecured people and break down confident ones.
@@sapphic.flowerThat’s such an interesting point that I’ve never noticed! American celebs are accused of “ruining their faces”, but I would guess that (especially in the beginning of their careers) just as many American musicians and actors get pressured by their labels or management to undergo surgery as do Korean celebs.
@velvet5620 Plastic Surgery I would guess is never explicitly required, at least I don't think there's any "legal" way to enforce such a contract... but like many "optional" items in life, pursuing cosmetic surgery can grant you extra advantages, or at least help keep you competitive if you do it right.
Michael jackson once said .. “if we were to take all the celebrities in Hollywood that had had surgery and send them all to vacation , Hollywood would be empty” 🤣
@@rachel2635 Yeah from memory, he said that in reply to being accused of having a ton of surgeries in an Oprah interview. He defended him self, by stating that he could count the amount of his surgeries on one hand. He wasn't against surgery, but didn't appreciate the focus on his own surgeries/appearance, compared to others who had many more and how normal it was in Hollywood etc
As a bbl woman myself I overly agree with every word said. Not having an ass causing insecurities but having a “fake” ass doesn’t make it fully go away. I do not recommend at all.
That just means you had deeper issues that surgery alone couldnt fix. Ive also had a bbl and do not regret it. Everyone has different reasons for getting surgery. Ppl should just do as they please with their body and money.
@@HennyCranberryyI think that's actually what she was saying - that a BBL doesn't address the trauma or deep insecurities you can catch when you're made to believe you have the wrong ass 😅
@@PickythickyYup. I definitely experienced trauma. I had a big butt since I was 12 years old ( I am now 36)and there was always issues with older man preying on me. I was even made fun of by my peers when I was younger. It isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, but I am very thankful for my confidence today. I worked very hard to gain that.
In 2016 I wouldn’t say now tho like respectfully she doesn’t have that much influence anymore she’s forgettable BUT when that music came out she’s was everything
Everyone tries to obtain some level of beauty standard. Like the maker of this video spends money, and the risk of damaging her hair to obtain this blonde colour and spends money on makeup. No one it’s exempt unless you are adhering to true feminism and objecting ALL of this not just in parts that make you appear “good”.
@@Mya_water umm there are women like me and her and another who like to play with colors and wigs and wear makeup, shave, exercise, and whatever they like to look and feel good. Nothing wrong with that. 😊 We are not barbarians and don't wanna resort to looking and smelly unkempt. That's feminism. There are different beauty standards in all regions, but one in particular is the impossible standard of looking flawless, youthful, and eurocentric that folks should ignore.
Thanks for tacking the mystification, the *deification* of Beyoncé. Treating someone as a literal goddess may sound like the opposite of dehumanization, but it absolutely is dehumanization. Gods are not human. And not being allowed to be human, not being recognized as human is the root of most if not all forms of misogyny. Beyoncé is a regular person like you and me, no matter how hard people try to believe she ain't.
I agree with you 100%. I'm a huge Beyoncé fan and for me her beauty on the inside is what makes her beautiful on the inside. I have met her 3 different times, at three different phases of her stardom and she was so sweet and down to earth all times. In my opinion she was a regular girl who just worked really hard to achieve her dreams. I had no idea when I first met her she would be as big as she is today. She is human just like us and to see what she has accomplished is inspiring and beautiful!
I'm so glad you made this video. I'm South African and a lot (not all) black South African (I would go as far as saying Southern African) women are curvaceous/voluptuous/thick whichever term you prefer. I grew up and am still surrounded by women who naturally look like the BBL archetype. It was so strange to me when pop culture started acting like being curvy and having an hourglass figure was this new thing just because it was new to white media. It also concerned me how our bodies (specially our butts) went from being othered, ghetto and gross to being beautiful and desirable once white women said they wanted to look that way too. As an aside, I want to add that your reference to Sarah Baartman in the beginning of this video is valid. I don't believe that the bodies of black women have truly transcended from being a spectacle, especially in a sexualised way. I love that black women entertainers have sexual agency and express themselves, show off their beautiful bodies proudly, but sometimes it feels like we went from Sarah being forced to display her body for the entertainment and pleasure of her oppressors, to black women willingly displaying themselves for the entertainment and pleasure of consumers/fans.
"once white women said they wanted to look that way too" fucking GOT me deep. THAT'S what bothers me so much about the mystification of the black body, it only ever becomes accepted once white women want to look like us. This is also exactly the reason why blackfishing exists.
I think there's also something to be said about Megan Thee Stallion coming onto the scene natural bodied & fit during a time where ppl were complaining about fake bodies dominating the mainstream, especially female rap. She sort of filled a void in that and kind of ushering back the natural athletic look. I swear I did not see as many women posting their workout videos like that until Meg hit the scene with her viral workout posts. She's def inspiring some of the girls to get back into the gym & take their physical health more seriously, natural or not and I love that.
Are you serious?! Megan the Stallion has had the MOST plastic surgery of any celebrity out there (except for possibly Cardi B) from head to toe. In order to transform "her" from a man into a woman.
Yes Meg I believe is natural. Her early years she was tall and slim. She gained weight the natural and healthy way to where she is thick and fit. Body Goals!
Yes but y’all only seem to praise natural bodies when they fit the black beauty standard (big butt small waist big boobs). Us smaller figured black women always seem to get left out and still shamed
The idea that a specific body shape is considered "trendy" seems surreal to me and can be incredibly detrimental to our society. I truly wish for a world where we can embrace and value ourselves without constantly seeking external validation, as it's impossible to please everyone.
I think the timing of having a child then having the "bounce back" is a clever way of getting surgery. Like, it's obvious that the girls got it but then they can say "well I was pregnant so...the baby did my body good."
Lorry Hill talks about this very thing (I forget the name of the video) but she talks about C-tucks (when someone delivers via c-section and has a tummy tuck pretty much immediately after).
Beyoncé did not have a bbl. She got heavier and started corseting her waist. She literally has a very obvious fupa and flabby arms now at a lower weight. I never saw no bbl where they don’t harvest fat from the stomach or arms
The real gag; she wasn't the ONLY one. Black people in general-with "distinct features" - were placed in circuses and other "zoo like" professions. And get this - they did this sort of thing to other groups of people, too 😉. Beauty is like the problem on world peace:: we gonna keep talking about it, and every once in a while actually do Some Things about it.
As a thick girl before a thick girl was a thing.. they way society has gaslit thick girls with thick thighs and a tummy is wild! Seeing people pay for what you have naturally while still telling you that your body is bleeehhh even crazier! As far as Sarah - she was like 12 and died at like 21 of STDs.
Girl, same. i was called thunder thighs all thru high school, my big butt was made fun of or sexualized since i was 11/12 years old. I wore baggy clothes throughout my teens just because i felt uncomfortable in my body and now being 27 and confident being thick, there are ppl criticizing my thickness. I have rolls and a stomach so what? this wave sure has given me better options for clothes but also they dont know what a natural thick body looks like anymore
@@annabananaSplitz1 you tell no lies sis! Baggy clothes was the uniform fareal! You are definitely right about folks not knowing what a natural body is because while the clothing options are amazing the cuts and placing for REAL CURVY BODY can be so off! 🩷🩷🩷
I was just reading up on this. She died a little later, at about 26. From wikipedia: 'Baartman died on 29 December 1815 around age 26,[2] of an undetermined[27] inflammatory ailment, possibly smallpox,[28][29] while other sources suggest she contracted syphilis,[5] or pneumonia. Cuvier conducted a dissection but no autopsy to inquire into the reasons for Baartman's death.[4]' She lived a terrible life, but she was very clever - played many instruments, spoke English and Dutch, had a great memory for faces and was apparently a very interesting person. She was only properly buried over 200 years after her birth after Nelson Mandela requested her skeleton be returned to her home country of South Africa in 2002.
@annabananaSplitz1 same. I'm 42 and been cat called since I was 12. Baggy clothes is the uniform. Now I don't even know what looks good on my anymore. Objectified by men, demonized by women. I used to get in trouble at work every single day for what I wore. What did I wear? Business casual aka slacks and a top with a long oversized cardigan to cover my hips and butt. Who had a problem with what I wore? Another "black" woman. What I had naturally, she had to pay for.
She became raunchy so I believe she aided in that treatment and narrative. She sexualised herself. Why does confidence have to come in a form of turning one’s self into a sexual commodity? I understand it’s taking your power back and feeling sexy and every excuse you may have in the book but don’t we already have enough of that in the media?
Let’s talk about how no one has accused her of plastic surgery while her body looks drastically different. But they talk about Beyoncé’s even though she has always been curvy
My "ick" with cosmetic procedures is a defense mechanism: I don't want to get sucked into a losing game. Like, where does it end? Because all I see is a downhill slide into trying to avoid the inevitable. No matter what I get done, I'm still going to age. I'm 34 and I don't want to spend the rest of my life wishing I looked like I did at 25. Better to just not engage.
Good for you, love! I agree completely. Getting bbl's (not a particularly safe procedure) and then removing them at the whim of whatever society tells you that day is just ridiculous. Imagine having a nice round figure and then making yourself look like a cartoon. Wtf is wrong with us.
It's definitely addictive. I worked in Dermatology for 6years and sometimes we DID get FREE Botox. That's where I started. By the time I left I had Botox, Juvderm & Restylain (fillers) in my CHEEKS, NSL(smile)folds, and in my lips. I'm black and was UNDER 35...I didn't NEED any of it BUT it was free or affordable, we all did it and once you start you DO WANT more
I agree and I feel the same but also I feel like it comes from a place of internalized mysogony and our bias with it even when we do not actively indulge in it is laced with mysogonoir and it just gives me the ick that I see it as a losing game and then subsequently I look down on women who have those procedures...idk though...maybe you're different
@@luliboelihlendibongo1036 I think it's more giving into misogyny than it being internalized. Regardless I've heard people say they won't ever get anything done and they don't until the age really starts to show lol. If you can afford a little tuck, injections, etc most women will because we're also incredibly ageist in America. Can't win except to be happy with yourself as much as possible with or without surgical help.
Beyonce didn't escape fat phobia she was most definitely called the fat one back then and that's how the song "Bootylicious" came to be I'm old enough to remember how initially her body shape was not welcomed by mainstream media and it caused Beyonce to have depression she was harassed online and disappeared for a while and when she came back with "Crazy in Love" she was thinner with more definition to her body.
Exactly gave this video a thumbs down when she said that, like I clearly are not familiar w beys career or what she has gone through. Ppl calling her thunder thighs when she was 19 just cause she was thicker than usual
I remember one interview she gave when she said she was extremely scared of getting pregnant because she thought she wouldn't lose the weight. That was the time Solange already had her son and Bey said she was happy to be just an aunt for now. She struggled with insecurities and weight issues just like us.
I totally agree. She was definitely bashed by some people. It was to the point where Eminem did a freestyle and included the line moving "like Beyonce's pot belly" in it.
It's crazy because I never thought of Beyoncé as particularly curvy or thick (like, she was but not in an outlier kind of way) early in her career because the way video vixens were STACKED. Beyoncé had a body type that black people were already familiar with. Although, when she did get pregnant with Blue it really made me noticed how hard she worked to maintain what we now call a slim-thick body type (she had abs for days) because, for me, it was the first time that she didn't seem super fit and in incredible shape. I did notice that at some point around the Coachella/Homecoming/Ivy Park time that she seemed more curvy than ever, like wider hips not just a bigger butt, I never considered that she might have gotten cosmetic surgery/procedures. But considering after 3 children and 20+ years into her career, she has to corset the hell outta her fupa because any amount of weight on Bey means she gotta be 'pregnant', which is a lil sad imho. You can def tell Bey is extremely conscious and meticulous of how she presents herself.
She wasn't, but she was a different body type from her bandmates. Me being white, I only saw her thicker thighs being out of the ordinary (her bandmates all had slender legs), otherwise she did not strike me as different or curvy, but close to perfection (yes, aside from the face and complexion, her being slim thick - perfect waist and wide hips. I could never look like that lol, I wish! )
Shout out to you for mentioning Riri's influence on tattoo culture. Underboob tattoos are our generation's tramp stamps and that's purely because of her.
Black Women literally DID THAT. Like Black Women are so insanely influential and we need to talk about it outside of the entertainment industry! Like it’s insane!
I remember being so young and Nicki getting HELLA hate for her body, even with all these people walking around to this day with surgery, she still gets laid out for her body. Nicki and Kim K most definitely made the “fem queen” look mainstream.
As she should. She used to skinny shame skinny women knowing she skinny herself with a paid ass. Please. They all look crazy. She is the queen of this delusional surgery culture. She was more famous for her butt than her music at one point
I'm a Beyoncé stan and agree with you 100%. You were thoughtful and completely honest. Beauty is NOT divine. In fact, maintaining the mystique around it is exhausting work!
@@Mya_water , that Beyoncé, like most female entertainers before her, has done whatever it takes to uphold the beauty myths surrounding her. She maintains her brand. As much as I adore muva, she had that ass pumped, then deflated. Which is no crime. It served its purpose. She's still strong, intelligent and talented in its aftermath.
@@Homoesper what’s missing from your observation is that she has lost a lot of weight. She does this typically for touring then when relaxed she goes up in weight. If you look at the composition of her body it’s very much the same at both times just when she gains more weight it looks a lot more extreme.
@@Mya_water , I agree she gained postpartum weight, but the proportions of her behind were greatly exaggerated for a period. Honestly? I don't look down on her for getting a BBL. She's no less fabulous because of it. She reversed it and STILL looks beautiful!
@@Homoesper I think it’s quite interesting you stated the point but also missed it. She was a lot bigger before overall. Now she isn’t as big but as I said her composition is exactly the same. Hence when she gained weight it looked bigger. There pics of her in her early 20s with the same build. There’s video of 21st bday same build. The time people are accusing of having a bbl is when she was also the biggest in weight she has ever been
Honestly!!! Beyoncé being the pinnacle ambiguity I think also is part of why she reached global status pre internet dominance. Like my cousins in india looooooved her despite them barely caring for most other western celebs I liked (her being such an amazing vocalist also helps lol) and I feel like you can prolly make similar arguements for many other parts of world where have brown skin is common?
@@puffball4484I always find it fascinating that people consider Beyonce mixed but not Solange. Lol. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone refer to her as mixed ever, even though they have the same father and mother
Hi Tee this is out of the topic of this video but I'm a South Korean student studying english and your video really helps me a lot with my vocabulary. Every time I watch your video, I turn on the subtitles and my dictionary app. Thank you!
I think people forget how mean the early 2000 were to female celebrities. From the upskirt photos and nude scandals. Rih had one that I think affected her deeply and guides how she presents herself now, aka she owns her presentation, including her nudity so it can't be used against her. Something worth researching and exploring as a topic; talking to myself here as weii😂
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 her nudes were leaked and I remember her saying how deeply it embarrassed her. Which is why her deliberate nudity and public embracing of her sexuality makes sense to me so that it can no longer be used against her.
the portion about nicki having that propped up "video vixen" body type sent me back to the first time i saw her on 106 & park in the 5-star chick mv. i kept being like "why do they keep showing this video girl??" and then she started rapping.......the black and pink hair??? the 'chinese' bangs??? the personality?!?!?! my life was forever changed in that moment
FACTS I remember the lil Kim squat pose and I thought who is this an up-and-coming video Vixen then I found out she was a rapper and the rest was history
For the past few years I stop complimenting on looks especially with children. It’s my attempt to reprogram the social construct of beauty. Now when I hear a sad story it truly irks me when I hear “who could do this to her, she so beautiful” SMH
I 100% believe Bey had work done when I saw the Ivy Park campaign. I think she had a boob job years earlier and no one ever said anything about it. I’m the same age as her so I think it has kept me from idolizing her over the years but I did feel very sad when I saw that ad campaign. She had to get work to keep up with what she started. But I love this video. It’s rare that any ever actually can present intellectual thoughts on the topic without being accused of being jealous or envious but you did it. And got yourself a new subscriber.
the belly button on the renaissance cover wasn't fooling the dolls and that's okay. Also Lil Kim was calling herself black barbie and originated that phrase in the early 2000's and she was super thin and petite which was the beauty standard at the time. You can say Nicki did the exaggerated curves but Kim originated the barbie aesthetic.
@@lenkahusarova1314 look at a candid photo of bey on a yacht in 03 vs her belly button on the renaissance cover. They are not the same. I love bey DOWN but let’s be realistic here. It’s okay.
I don’t think Beyoncé had the most extravagant work done ever , but why is it outrageous to say she got something done ? I feel like Beyoncé fans want to believe that she’s perfect & not anything like these new artists : she’s all natural , she never had any work done , she never wears weaves , she never reacts to anything people say about her . & I’m here to say it’s okay for her to not be perfect ! it’s okay for her to get surgery if she wants to & it’s okay for her to have something in common w/new artists . y’all need to remove these stigmas about “unnatural” things & understand that every celebrity is not gonna be 100% natural .
Nobody has ever said she’s never worn weave lmao what, she was the queen of braids, she’s got beautiful natural hair which is also partially died honey blonde, for example during the renaissance tour she wore wigs o stage, she tends to wear wigs on stage so she doesn’t sweat out, but day to day she tends to wear her natural tresses, I follow her hairstylist on IG, he posts when she’s wearing a wig and when she isn’t. Also Beyonce has been body goals for multiple years, she had a body people wanted, from the abs, shape, thigh ratio etc, so her growing older and looking fuller, it isn’t automatically assumed that it’s surgeries as she’s always had a very captivating shape that was never really lacking. The only thing I think she may have had is a boob lift, not implants, but a lift after the twins. I don’t think she’s had a BBL, she’s always have a proportional bum to thigh ratio, she also only wears high waisted clothing now, if she had a BBL she would be proudly showing off her stomach like she did prior to pregnancy. It just doesn’t make sense.
I don’t believe most Bee Hive fans get upset at the fact that Beyonce may have had or have anything unnatural (hair included). However, I believe the problem/ issue is why must everyone want Beyonce to say Oh yeah I had a tummy tuck oh yeah I wear weave. Beyonce has never said that she didn’t. The problem is why must everyone obsesses over what this woman do with her body or hair. She’s a musician and great performer. EVERY mainstream female artist enhance themselves for whatever “image” they choose to project. No mainstream female artist wake up wash their face and brush their teeth and hit the stage. So why is it so important for everyone to know what all someone has done to project their image. It’s a persona. Listen to the music or not ,but what’s the point in attacking a person. Sitting back nit picking at any possible “imperfections” on a person who hasn’t done anything to you says more about you than them. Y’all really jealous and/or are bullies. If she was a child y’all would understand but guess what she’s still someone’s child and she’s still a HUMAN. She don’t deserve the constant ridicule. She’s literally one of the best people. MOST celebrities praise her not for how she looks but by their interactions with her. They all say she’s so nice and humble which is all that should really matter.
No need, it was real, eating less and moving more is the only way to lose weight and be healthy, nobody wants to see a husky Beyonce on stage huffing and puffing and dragging on stage, she is a performer and looking the part is part of the package. You can't lose weight eating bags of chips.
it's okay to have a bias against plastic surgery while still supporting femmes who have it. men's bias seems to be about controlling women's looks and empowerment, but there's valid reason to hold a bias, too - femmes engagement with beauty can empower us, hurt us, give us more social cache while making it more difficult for others
The thing about plastic surgery that always has me thinking is would you have done it in a vacuum? Like without trauma, social pressure, bullying, racially biased beauty standards, or insecurity would plastic surgery even have come to mind? Would you have gotten that nose job to make your nose look more "white," or would you still have gotten a bbl if you weren't called "pancake ass" for years. Would you be putting metal in your legs to make yourself taller if you didn't think it make you more desirable/ manly? At the end of the day I think people should do what they want. And plastic surgery can help people. But, I think my (I guess aversion) comes from the idea that it doesn't seem like a truly free choice if that makes sense lol.
@@ORGSEfemmes is a term to describe people who fall under the umbrella of female identity this includes cis women, trans women, non-binary femmes, etc
@@ORGSE In non-lesbian circles, femmes can broadly mean to include feminine presenting folks like gay men or nonbinary & genderfluid folks. They're not dragging femme lesbians through the mud ^^;
As someone who was old enough at the time, the media already started this ‘slim-thick’ agenda and J Lo was very much centred in it. I remember thinking it so weird that magazines like Shape, Glamour, Allure etc would put J Lo in the ‘curvy’ section when she’s so slim.
Yeah, they started it with JLo in Selena. They tried their hardest to keep the secret that, that wasn’t so reeeaaaaal body and that she was padded up. But we all saw how the body from the movie, never made it into the “pop hop” music videos. But Beyoncé came in and the body was real. So they made her the standard
@@nezzytoyou767no actually that was her real body, you can look at old clips of in living color and see her proportions and how she tried to cover it. She lost alot of weight in for Selena but her but didn’t go away, after Selena she supposedly had lipo on her butt to fit the standard beauty and being skinny and proportionate, but she was still considered “curvy”, but Beyoncé was never known to have a big bum she was curvy and thick with a nice body but jlo was known for her butt, even after she lost it…which I don’t understand how but yeah. As someone who witnessed the shift real time, that’s how it went. Even Selena didn’t have a butt like jlo, I remember me and my friend watching Selena and having a “omg backy” and my friend is mexican and she was like “Selena didn’t look like that” even tho Selena did have a big butt. Idk jlo’s body was just propositioned differently. All 3 are/were/still is beautiful tho ❤ god bless the dead❤ (Selena)
That was also the era of low rise jeans so Beyonce's extra low jeans was definitely noticeable. I think context is important, Janet Jackson always had a butt but the media didn't pay attention but the brothers did lol. When she transformed and came out with a six-pack in 1992, she still had a butt but her abs got all the attention because that was what was in then. When I think of slim thick I think of the real Selena who of course unfortunately passed away. I think of Sade who shut down questions about her body from earlllyyy in her career by refusing interviews. The body type has always been around it's just the media honed in on Beyonce. I'm old enough to remember when she played back seat to Britney in popularity and Britney was considered the pinnacle of sexiness and curves 🤷♀️. Because "curves" back then meant boobs lol
Yes, JLo bore much of the brunt of having a real curvy body. Idk what that other person is talking about. Her booty was voluptuous in her pop videos & in magazines so I don’t know about any padding (has she seen the ‘I’m Glad’ video, it was shaking like jello). Of course she got the accolades for her body type as well & presenting it unabashedly, ushering in an era when a woman can embrace her curves… when this body type had always been there, albeit without any fanfare as Black women have always had curves, though were never applauded for it. After Lopez’s booty boom and with Beyoncé’s (DC’s) ‘Bootylicious’ it brought attention towards her curvy body & then it all became about Beyoncé’s body. I know I will get pushback for this but people always talk about how beautiful Beyonce is (and she is, her completely natural face & body is) but she’s had 2 nose jobs and Kelly looks completely different with her new nose but people pick and choose who they dog out for surgery but then they praise others for being ‘so beautiful’ but changing a facial feature is moving the goal post significantly. Like Alicia Keys talking about going without makeup (when she’s had a nose job) and how women should break the shackles of feeling like they have to wear makeup. It’s like ma’am if I could change the biggest flaw I felt was the worst thing on my face, I’d probably stop wearing makeup too. 🤷🏽♀️
@@zucchinigreenBritney Spears was the low-rise jeans trendsetter. Maybe she wasn’t the first person to wear them, but she popularized the lowest of the low rise in her music videos and concerts. The media was obsessed with her body starting when she was 16 with her first hit “Baby one more time.” After 2000 VMAs’ showstopping performance, MTV and others were openly talking about her b00bs and speculating on implants. She got asked about it a lot too. She was 18 then. Destiny’s Child had a big hit with “Independent Women” in “Charlie’s Angels” but Beyonce only became a mainstream solo star in 2003. JLo had been in the media spotlight with her curves for approx 5 years by then. ❤
10:13 "she's made the best out of the type of body she has" as if Beyoncé's natural body was some kind of consolation prize and not already fairly slim and, oh yeah...completely gorgeous
I cringed hearing that.. like girl stand up and let’s see what you’re working with.. but then I thought. Man, white people have a totally different standard of beauty
@@catierollins8493in the early 00s it was all about thinness and perfect long torsos. Nobody could escape the criticism if they didn't meet the standard of 100 lbs and visible abs. Britney got fat shamed at the Vmas when she was perfectly THIN. As children growing up then we got our fair share of body issues by watching that.
So glad someone is finally brave enough to say that our queen did in fact get a bbl. The ppl still here in these comments tryna deny are delusional. Ivy park era was very obviously unnatural laterals. And that’s okay babies. Denying it only means you think it’s bad or wrong what SHE CHOOSE to do with HER BODY
and when would she have gotten that? there wasn’t anything unnatural looking about her body during the ivy park era, y’all have just found out about bbls and now thing everyone with big hips has one. and people should think it’s bad, a bbl is one of the most dangerous surgeries you can get overall, not just cosmetic surgery. and after how hard her pregnancy with her twins was and how she almost died I doubt she ran straight to the operating table to get such a dangerous surgery.
why do people insist on a bbl? she’s always had wide hips..maybe it’s liposuction. she could’ve just gained weight and gotten some removed from her stomach. however, i’ve seen clips from the renaissance tour and her stomach isn’t extremely flat as it appears in the ivy park promotions.
I think everyone has fantasies that stem from the need to feel loved and respected. So manny of my childhood fantasies were similar to yours, I’ll grow up and be famous and successful and respected and happy. As stability becomes less and less attainable people look for ways to give themselves an edge, and when they see their faves doing things to themselves and then being happy and successful, why wouldn’t they do it to? I remember when I was 6 and went to a Raven Symone concert, I was so sure I’d run into her in the bathroom and we’d be best friends and was extremely disappointed when that did not occur.
Nikki didn’t have to tell me she got “ enhanced” there was a drastic change from her MySpace days to her Cash Money days. If you had eyes you could tell.
I remember having a conversation with a Caucasian friend of mine and I said "because her butt is fake" and he goes "no it's not, are you sure? I'm pretty sure that's just how her butt is.." I thought, oh my God, people are so dense sometimes.
I cannot BELIEVE people think Beyonce's body is natural. Her bbl has faded a bit recently. But she was never stacked like that until the Formation tour. People are delulu.
………her body shape has always been the same and she gained a ton of weight when she had twins, which she clearly shed to prepare to the tour. Are you guys DUMB or just haven’t seen how her body has changed over time?
Its as if she lost weight again. She wasn't thick until after the birth of the twins. The bbl rumor happened during homecoming/otrii world tour/back is king era. She never had time to rest until covid lockdown. Make it make sense.
Beyoncé did not have a bbl. She got heavier and started corseting her waist. She literally has a very obvious fupa and flabby arms now at a lower weight. I never saw no bbl where they don’t harvest fat from the stomach or arms
@@Giraffe27 yeah but this is what's damaging. People are assuming these celebs are getting new, more beautiful bodies and faces because they "grew up" or got pregnant. It's created an entire generation of dismorphic women and girls. Chile they are getting WORK DONE THE HOUSE DOWN BOOTS.
I get people have work done, but people often forget the body doesn’t stay the same as we get older. Breast that were small can become bigger with child birth and weight gain. I start with DD in the 8th grade, but I have also been a C cup in my late 20’s because I worked out twice a day in the Army. Now I am a DDD. There are ways of achieving the look without surgery when u have money to pay for it. Riri was small then people gave her shit for gaining weight like she was a girl when she started and is a full grown woman with kids.
@@Pink_pr1ncessBreast fat sits on top of muscle. If youre working out doing specific exercises to strengthen those muscles it does make the size of your breasts appear to be larger
@@Pink_pr1ncessthat should have been obvious from the comment lol. She said she was a DD. She dropped to a C because she was working out in the military
I mean, Beyoncé made a while song called Pretty Hurts. I'd like to think she was, in a way, admitting to having some kind of procedure to enhance her appearance.
Likely because in the video she's getting Botox and has her face drawn on as if she's going to get a facelift. So yes I know what you mean it's kind of like her admitting that she's not out of the mix when it comes to using plastic surgery to keep up.
My daughter just came home crying from middle school. The boys in gym were teasing her because she has a curvaceous body. I’m so mad!!! I wish she never experienced what happened to me. This has to stop. Poor thing is 13 and she gets cat called and I’m angry because I wanted to believe men are evolving.
As a fellow thicc gal that peaked in early high school, I found that the best thing to do is develop a backbone and unwavering confidence. The moment these men spot that u are self conscious about yourself, they swoop in. As twisted as it sounds, they get off to the fact that women are slightly afraid of them.
It’s very scary when this happens. When a group of guys were making fun of my shape as a teen, I was at first really embarrassed, then became angry and told one of them he shouldn’t be talking about me like that, especially in public He did apologise, but all that sick attention as a young person over a body shape you don’t control, makes me a bit salty that it’s a cute trend now. Hopefully your daughter can get through this! Street harassment is such a nasty social issue
It's completely F'd up. What I hate most about this plastic body trend is that for insecure women it creates this false sense of confidence/belonging/ego which can only be attained through a process that could KILL you, but it's promoted as if it were the equivalent of buying an expensive purse. 🥴What's worse is that mothers who get it, have daughters who will most likely inherit their mother's natural figure, then be subconsciously led by their mama/role model down a path of self-hatred and body dysmorphia & be inspired to also risk their life for plastic surgeries to fit an impossible beauty standard. Very vicious cycle. Idk,, unpopular thought but I always imagine if the roles were reversed where we suddenly normalised this bs for men, and were convinced to accept them getting D enhancement surgeries, fake biceps, facial reconstructions, etc. I could not marry a guy, let alone take him seriously, with any of that mess 😂😂😂 It must feel so off for normal guys to be told that they have to praise fake body parts nowadays 😭 Natural bodies all day 💖
That's the big thing is people compare there bodies to public figures and they don't even realise their figures might be due to surgery. You can't really hope to compare to that because when you start to look a bit older or out of shape as a celebrity you can just throw money at the problem and look 25 again and almost nobody in their regular life can do that.
I now call it the SZA/Summer Walker effect… cause before they were both shy, so “insecure”, so homebody… didn’t even mingle with certain women in the spotlight but now both can be seen out on stage, front and center, phones recording them… twerking, going to clubs to shake the ass they invested. I’m not mad at it but surgery is definitely a false sense of self security for sure… if you weren’t happy with yourself before but after a plastic surgery appointment… you whole life changed along with the public persona?? Can’t be right, can’t be true happiness in oneself within, it. But some ppl really only feel heard and appreciated after their bbl, even though MANY PPL have either core fans, friends, relationships that are waiting for them to step out as themselves without it… but if they like it I love it
Overall, people need to chill when it comes to celebrities, ESPECIALLY Beyoncé. Yes, Beyoncé is talented and beautiful, but she is just a human being, and we all shit out of the same hole. Placing her on some unreachable pedestal and treating her like a goddess is not good for us or her. She is the celebrity's celebrity and that must be incredibly isolating.
Before Nikki there was BUFFY THE BODY. They talked about it on a hip hop documentary how big butts went up after she came out. Even tho she was NATURAL
The Nicki portion was just spotttt tf onnn I thought I was the only one who felt like she didn’t acknowledge how much respect THE WORLD has for her as a rap artist
Something I find so interesting is that the women who actually are open about their surgery always talk about how they hate it and don’t recommend to anyone. But it’s always AFTER the work is done.
I think that’s also part of an agenda to depict one’s self as a martyr to the pursuit of beauty. Because then that makes them seem more grounded while never completely de-centering the desirability resulting from the regrettable surgeries from their overal image.
On the topic of Beyoncé being ambiguous, do you think that may be part of why she stopped doing interviews? I’m sure she also enjoys her privacy but I feel like people made fun of how she talked because maybe they didn’t expect her to sound so southern and black.
I think the main reason why she stopped doing interviews was she doesn't have heaps of personality like Nicki or Cardi B so staying slient was the better option. Also to boost her mystique and stardom and it keeps you out of alot of culture war issues.
I never saw Beyonce as racially ambiguous if that's what you meant she always looks black to me navigate talking about nationality then yes because I can see her being Dominican Puerto Rican or even Trinidadian where you question the percentage of black they have in them but you still see the blackness
@@monzorella1 She has lots of personality lol. This is literally a well-known fact that she stopped doing interviews because people like wendy williams kept constantly going after her deep southern accent and talking voice.
I guess, but tbh I could always tell she was a Black Biracial. I also wonder, if y’all knew that Tommy was the one who kept pushing that narrative because he didn’t like Black Ppl. 💀
Have to disagree. Mariah is clearly biracial black. Especially to Black people. Racial ambiguity is the not knowing bit. Beyoncé is in that range where you are not sure both parents are black.
I remember reading an article some years ago that stated that Beyoncé’s biological father is Italian (remember Matthew Knowles adopted her when she was 1 after he married her mom), so her facial features, lightness of the skin, and Creole features makes plenty sense. She’s a biracial black woman. Both parents aren’t black.
"Women deserve to have their privacy and bodily autonomy respected; what they do with their bodies is their business" and "America's obsession with objectifying women and putting unrealistic standards on pedestals is ABSOLUTELY going to affect the way that they see themselves" are two conversations that are not mutually exclusive. I'll admit, I have biases against plastic surgery as well, not against the women that get it, but because I recognize the overlap in women wanting to see their bodies in a way that's appealing to them (and they're valid for that btw), but that they probably wouldn't have those standards in the first place if it wasn't for the constant outside influences; ie. Celebrity/ 'Baddie' culture, and just social media in general.
You make such good quality videos. As a model from the 90’s and 2000”s, I feel like you are extremely correct about the Beyonce effect. Lil Kim is the one who started the Barbie trend and plastic surgery. Nikki took over Kim’s persona and made it more popular. She always feels tortured about the other girls not giving her flowers. Because she’s know what she did to Kim.
🎯 Nicki further popularized Kim's persona. She's talented, obviously, but the same way she was tight-lipped about her enhancements, she moved in the same manner in regards to Kim's influence.
Me personally I felt like academic validation was very close to beauty validation, like being called smart and being gifted or praised or promoted due to it has benefited me more than my beauty has. Lookism plays a huge part in society, and I feel like what incentives women get now for desirability is what men get for success and knowledge
It’s never crossed my mind Beyoncé has “racial ambiguity”? At most, she’s always been light skinned but she’s always been loud and proud about being black and everyone else always make a statement of it, so idk what ambiguity she’s supposedly getting
Her mother is creole. Most African Americans already have about 20% European ancestry due to admixture during slavery. Creoles can have even more which results in their really light skin and looser hair texture.
@@eenchantress5113Our textures can vary regardless of admixture. I am fully African (Nigerian/Cameroonian), and I am dark with 3C/4A hair, while my sister is lighter with very thick 4C hair.
Very well structured video. I clocked some of the surgeries subtly done throughout the years. Really interesting how you tied in how black women's bodies are treated as a separate entity from the actual person. Also, This video giving budget. Okayy 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I felt like I was the ONLY one who noticed Beyonces BBL after she gave birth to the twins. She’s definitely gotten thin again, even from the start of the tour till today.
y'all saying beyonce got a bbl after nearly dying giving birth to twins makes no sense. she literally started rehearsal for coachella not too long after she gave birth. she was on a strict diet. getting a surgery like that would prohibit her from doing her performing. mind you her weight has fluctuated throughout her career. she's always had curves.
As soon as she started the mythos section, I thought of Sarah Baartman. People need to become more familiar with her story. It’s weird how the same thing that happened to her has been remixed over the generations in some form.
this may sound weird because I am not a woman of color, but I am personally very happy that Beyonce and JLo and Nicki and Rihanna all came to the height of their fame with the bodies they had when they did. I was going through puberty and high school and it was so helpful for me to see women with thicker bodies be celebrated and desired. Now as an adult, I am realizing that the slim-thick body type is very difficult to achieve for most women including me without surgery, and of course I am more nuanced in my thinking about the advantages and disadvantages of bodily desirability, especially for women who's bodies are fetishized and often targeted for abuse because they are PoC. But with my middle school age understanding, I was glad that at least I never felt the need to engage in dangerous eating habits and I hated myself much less than I would have had they never become the sex symbols and icons that they did.
The history you went into, if you look at Serena, the similar thing was kind of done with her body. The photographers were always taking photos of her bum. I think before the bbl epidemic, her body was mentioned in quite a few songs.
@@Pushnotificationsalwaysoffbye I'm talking Serena Williams. There were posters of her serving but they pictured her from behind. Her body was always ridiculed by a lot the white tennis fans.
Beyoncé was on the cover of gossip magazines since Crazy in Love for her obvious liposuction. She may not be as extreme as others but it’s clear that she gets work done. Look at her modern lips
Bro I literally watched GET OUT after watching this, and it really points out how twisted this all is. Such as how the yt gaze tends to showcase black people as objects (I.e. like breaking them down to their features and body parts), it almost makes the black image animalistic. Like it is so wonderfully executed in that movie. And you did a good job of explaining that idea more as well.
I feel you so hard on the plastic surgery topic. I’m 21 and my mom recently got lipo and transferred fat, and I’ve felt so like… jealous? Or just resentful since it happened, and it’s a really strange thing to experience towards my mom, who I love. But I think it’s a sense of hypocrisy, like I grew up with you telling me these things are okay and we have to accept them, and now you go and change them? Im glad she feels happy tho, and I still respect and admire women who have gotten work done. I guess it’s an internal thing I’ll have to work on. I’m excited to see if you post a video about it ❤
@@elize2952 you're 21 (and I'm not saying this in a condescending way) but I'm older and although not a fat transfer I'd definitely like to get a tummy tuck bc no matter how hard I work out I can't get that stomach flat 🤷♀️
@@labelmeposh And that’s fine. Like I said in my comment, it’s the “hypocrisy” of saying that it’s okay to not have a perfectly flat stomach with abs, but then go and have work done, plus her stomach was not even visibly big or anything.
@elize2952 Have a good day..she probably said that 59 years ago and your jealous behind cannot let it go. It's a shame when daughters are jealous of their mothers. I hope you don't hurt her.
Regarding the point that Tee made towards the end of the video about how despite the content of her videos, people still comment on her looks: This is yet another example of how it doesn't matter what women do, what we say or what we achieve, we will still be judged and valued based on our appearances. There is such a massive fixation on women's appearances, that we are reduced to mere objects to be looked at. This happens whether people like what we have to say or not, just look at how Greta Thunberg and Sanna Marin were treated, for example. Yet at the same time women get ridiculed for paying attention to and working on their own appearance. In the end it all boils down to the desire or even the need to judge and control women.
She has had a skinny BBL for years. No one has perfectly round hips and no hips dips whatsoever. Of course some may have more extreme hip dips but she has had round hips for years. Just very very subtle.
i think identifying with our humanness would open a gateway to liberation from beauty, for lack of a better way to put it, a good place to start for playing outside of desirability. understanding we don’t always look one way, imperfections are ok, and ESPECIALLY understanding that i can respect you regardless of what you look like. just for starters. this is a great video talking about the mystic in the beauty and how beauty is like a pawn in a much bigger game
Listen… sis… you are IT… you’re GOING to have your own talk show or something! The way you broke this down so intelligently, with personality, charm and with eloquence 😎 you’re time is coming! Yessssss🎉💛
It’s very obvious to me that Beyoncé has had some body work done. And that’s ok. It’s not a bad thing. Most celebrities have because of the nature of this industry and the need to look “perfect.” Bey likes to be discreet and not put her business out there and we gotta respect that.
She has adressed the opposite in lyrics in Renaissance lol. "Been thick, been fine, still a 10, still here. That's ALL ME" (Cozy), "My body, my ice, my cash, all real...." (Top Off)
@@bubbles4897or she hasn’t lied and hasn’t had anything done. you know peoples bodies change, esp after children and getting older. also, it’s none of your business if people get things done anyway
@@lenkahusarova1314You Beyoncé stans in the comments make me so damn curious. What is it about someone saying that Beyoncé MAY have gotten work done that offends you guys so much? The sheer IMPLICATION rials you people up like nobody's business. Girl, Beyonce wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, why you getting mad on her behalf? Almost every single one of Beyoncé's peers - white, black, asian - have gotten SOME work done (nose jobs, skin lightening, bbl, breast implants, eye jobs etc). Their job basically expects it of them because they have to look a certain way if they want to keep their jobs. What is it about Beyoncé that makes you think that she's somehow above that? Even then, why CAN'T people talk about it? Are we not allowed to even speculate? Beyoncé cultivated her career by being a pop icon - someone who people talk about- but the moment it's about whether her beauty is completely natural, it's now "its none of your business" or "she had a baby". Like damn, she's still a human being. She can be influenced by the beauty standards she inspired, as much as your next door neighbour, fam.
Thank you for this video. Her skinny bbl is so freaking obvious and ITS OKAY. Y’all’s queen got a little surgery … accept it and move on it’s really not that serious
If it's not that serious then why are people making entire videos about it. Is bigger s*** going on in the world and y'all f****** making videos about whether somebody you will never meet in life has a skinny BBL. Maybe if y'all had this much energy towards actual s*** we don't care it's not that weird to dying is that we don't care cuz we're not there to look at her body we're going to hear her sing and listen to her music. Even if somebody's surgery look bad I refuse to talk about it I don't give a f*** it's not my body
I know I'm not her demographic or target audience but I love Tee's videos. Her way of speaking, the amount of research and her presentation of not just her opinions but FACTS IS TRULY THE GOLDEN STANDARD 👌
I appreciate the relatively greater openness about "work" (from fillers to veneers to boob jobs to bbls. Lipo. Whatever.) and think it's healthier than the secrecy. I'd like to view it all as the body modification choices of consenting adults. Nobody is trying to convince us their tattoos and piercings are just how they were born... but it does get a little hinky when modified aesthetics become pervasive enough to form a standard of beauty that folks feel external ~pressure~ to emulate. So we've still got a bunch of work to do. But just freaking Talking about it is at least a place to start. It would be great if everyone could just come to terms with the fact that there aren't actually ugly-looking people, but I'm pretty sure folks ain't ready for that one yet.😅
This! Talking about modified anesthetics would be a start. Body modifications have become so pervasive that many have been negatively impacted be it mentally, physically or emotionally. People have lost their lives trying to obtain the unattainable. I understand the right to privacy, but let's stop treating it as something shameful.
There's being open about plastic surgery in celebrities. Then there's 25 year olds getting preventative botox. We need to at least get back to a place where 'good enough' is an option.
But I don't get it whether the subject of obsession is surgically modify or natural your body can never be someone else's body. A young woman trying to replicate a BBL look that she thinks is real is manifestly no different than that same young woman trying to replicate a body that naturally looks like a BBL. Either way its not healthy for her to compare herself, and that's the issue. The problem is in the idolization not whether or not what you're idolizing is surgical or not. Some women have natural bodies that are just so genetical rooted that its impossible to get it, even surgery won't be as seamless looking, those women exist. Again it's simply not healthy to compare yourself either way.
Honeslty if we didn't use beauty as an incentive, we'd just find another category (for example: who's a better person, who has more money, or who is more artistically talented, etc) to continue the same dynamics. There will always be a hierarchy, a comparison competition, etc when it comes to homo sapiens honestly. Regardless of that, I think beauty is such a big deal because it's in our biological nature to pay attention to the visuals of the world. Maybe it protected us from predators or helped up pick better fruit, but either way I think it's woven in our DNA and isn't going anywhere for as long as we exist.
Sure but wouldn’t a hierarchy based on communal involvement, and deciding what it means to be ‘good’ be far more beneficial than the wildly dehumanizing standard of beauty? I dont think those standards of beauty aren’t inherent to our DNA. If it really is a matter of “well reproduction relies on us being physically attractive based on those standards”, why then do the children of those pairings surgically alter themselves? Wouldn’t they have the desirable traits passed from their parents? So maybe it isn’t biological. What, then outside of our biology, is causing those changes?
As a "early bloomer" pale redhead Latina (ethnicity ambo) seeing Tyra, Beyonce, Shakira, Jlo, made me feel more comfortable about my new body. The downside is that I felt/feel fetishism about my background and body shape (the "hot" Latina, mixed cultures = sexually free), I noticed the same with my black girlfriends. It's weird how people switch so fast based on stereotypes (men actually notice me vs. Ignore me, when they notice I'm "exotic")
LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF YOUR PHYSICAL BEAUTY, BECUZ WHEN YOUR OLD AND WRINNKLED, YOU WILL LOOK BACK ON THESE DAYS AND WISH YOU COULD DO IT OVER.......LOVE YOUR BEAUTY!!!
i so heavily feel you when it comes to your opinion of plastic surgery being something you’re still grappling w. my reasoning for disliking plastic surgery is fully based on my values of being anti white supremacy and therefore anti fatphobia and the subsequent beauty standards. i voice only support for those that want it bc im not for controlling others bodily autonomy but it frustrates me so bad that people don’t acknowledge that the changes many people want to make are due to the influences of white supremacy ://
I personally don’t thin Beyoncé has had a BBL but instead dressed to make it look bigger. Something that stood out to me is that Beyoncé doesn’t seem to really be aging then again we don’t see her up close and personal nor do we see pictures of her that hasn’t been on social media. I know a lot of people are bringing up lil kim but I think nicki was more of a bridge for white culture getting into BBL culture. I think the age of the BBL is getting to the point of having a negative effect on naturally curves people due to large butts becoming something to joke and laugh at again.
Honestly I don't think Bey reversed her bbl. Only a certain percentage of fat stays alive after the initial procedure. I think her intention was to have enough fat take hold that it brought her back to her pre baby booty. Especially with her vigorous prep for her tour. You still can't tell me she didn't have a face lift back when she accepted the award with Meg for the Savage remix. She was lifted, SWOLLEN, and tight in the face.
I definitely can see that Beyoncé plays with her face just like everyone else these days… I just thought it was the Botox thing cuz that’s what’s in right now! Wasn’t even thinking she got a face lift 😳 she’s only 42 … allegedly
@@ChristineSanders-id7mx in my opinion, definitely a lift. If you compare photos of her today with photos of her 20 years ago, there is no normal drooping with age, everything is still positioned the same on the face. Aside from her nose of course because she got that done waaaaaaay back.
Something with her face changed! I noticed she was always wearing glasses day and night indoors and outdoors. She def had a facelift which is fine. The only thing that bothers us is she keeps singing “if you wanna see some real ass” and that she’s all natural but she’s been getting lipo since DC days and that booty hasn’t been natural since 2013.
I noticed something different in Beyoncé already back when she released deja-vu, there is a clear "something" different on her upper lip area around that time. I don't know if it's true or if it's just me but I kinda gaslighted myself into thinking that was probably just my imagination over the yeaars, but if I had to guess I'd say she started there
Beyonce is a master at using ambiguity and the much unsaidness of “beauty” to become a powerful icon. Can you believe there’s people just now during the Renaissance tour with her blonde 45 inch human hair buss down admit she wears wigs!? I’ve always appreciated these artist for the total presentation not because I thought these fantasies were truthful.
Cause she's mixed. They want to believe "she's not like other black girls" cause that fiction is tied to their idea of what light skinnedness means. Are they still questioning her nose jobs?
Yeah and if you were to say it’s a wig you’d be called a hater. Her dr kao eye lift is another one, like don’t people see that? Are they blind? It’s obvious as day but god forbid one would say something online her fans are insane
Being a skinny black African woman is NOT easy.
One guy once told me that even though I may be conventionally pretty, (his words, not mine💀) the fact that i wear glasses and the fact that I am not thick makes me the studious type of woman that men will likely ignore.
Being overlooked has been a blessing in disguise.
My sister and some of my female relatives have to suffer through extreme objectification.
I won't make this comment long but overall, skinny or thick, there's no winning with a society that refuses to address the core of the problem.
My daughter is skinny. 21 years old. 98lbs and 5’5. She hates it. She wants to marry and have kids, but every relationship she attempts fail because he’s entertaining thicker women. The last dude she broke up with because he told her to start eating and go to the gym. That’ll make her look like a grown woman. She knew he would eventually play her. My daughters is a huge eater. She just doesn’t hold any weight. She was excited to hit 102 at one point but now is back down in the 90s. She’s just a tiny person with a nice shape. I keep telling her to be patient. She’ll find her RIGHT match.
I am currently 24 and I have been told that I look really young. Personally, I think I look around my age but that could be because I can tell if there are tiny changes with my body.
I have generally looked the same since I was 18 and it's led to several situations where people wouldn't take me seriously as an adult.
I have a cousin who's currently 22. She gave birth to her baby boy 6 months ago.
Even after going through pregnancy, she barely gained a significant amount of weight.
I mention my cousin because she and I endured countless comments about how our beauty does not matter if we're not thick.
We tried so hard to gain weight but ultimately failed because we have high metabolic systems. Sometimes we'd get so sick just trying. It was awful.
My mental health was affected.
At any rate, I am currently on the road to recovery. I'm taking some counselling.
Many people are suffering because the preferences of certain individuals were pushed as the general standard.
Those who don't fit the standard are treated like lesser human beings.
My cousin had to endure poor treatment from her boyfriends. Seeing her go through that made me wary about romantic relationships. Consequently, I've never been in a single relationship.
The right one will find their way to me. I don't need any more toxicity in my life.
Going back to my cousin. She's raising her precious little boy on her own and she's happy. I'm glad to see her happy.
My sister who gets a lot of attention for being thick has avoided relationships because she despises being objectified. She wants to lose weight.
My mother had to watch us all go through several phases of being unhappy with our bodies. One of her daughters would be trying to gain weight while the other was attempting to lose weight.
Which brings the question of what the perfect weight is? Shouldn't we all just try to be healthy? Standards will change tomorrow anyway.
Your precious daughter will be okay. There's more to life than being desirable. In fact, when you put that aside, you learn a lot. What's for you will come to you😊
as a skinny black african american woman with glasses i fully feel heard and seen. it’s the reason why a lot of my insecurities and body disorders as well as eating disorders has been developed ):
adding onto my additional comment from above, I am currently 23 years old and I have a look the same facially and physically since I was probably 17. I never really experienced any body dysmorphia or uncomfortableness until it has been pointed out by others, as well as my family members, who will make a comment about my weight, and how I’m overly skinny. And I definitely agree with concept on how looking younger and having a more lean body type is harder for some people to grasp in a professional world because people often view young black women who are young adults to look a certain way, and to have a certain body type. Not being met with a standard and entering my late teen and early college years with this new beauty standard has caused me some difficulties, as well as all a lot of relationship struggles as partners with often cheat on me for curvier thicker looking women, leading me to suppress myself into a hole or body negativity and hyper activeness in order to make myself appear like the instagram models and female rappers that are flooded on social media platforms, that being the supposed blueprint of how young black womens body goals are supposed to be. i really do feel seen and understood in this comment section as this feels too too too close to home. being called skinny minnie all my life and feeling relatively unattractive because i have 4c hair with glasses and no ass and boobs while my older sister and older cousins and even close friends have bodies that i would literally dream of obtaining. however i’m slowly working on trying to love myself and every inch. it’s a process, but it’s not impossible. it may feel like it on most days but it’s definitely something i hope one day to feel better about bc it’s so easy to fall victim into what the internet wants you to look, especially since i’ve been super torn about getting plastic surgery just bc i feel like i won’t hate myself anymore
@@OneHealthOfALife those men aren’t right for her. The fact that they’re cheater should show her everything that she needs to know. These men will cheat regardless, and they knew she was slim when they got with her. Some men love control and they want to humble you. Some women struggle with losing weight that would love her problem. As a slim woman, I understand how society ( urban culture) can act. However, there are other men black and non black that will embrace her. I’ve had naturally thick friends and when they put on to much weight ppl will easily fat shame them. They were sexualized to the maximum, skinny women can be sexualized too. However, them rejecting her was a blessing. They were gonna cheat regardless. They seem ignorant “ grown woman body”. Comes in different sizes, some women are meant to be plus size, thick, & petite. Your daughter should start looking into other types of men. Some might be preying on the fact that she is insecure about her size and purposefully trying to hurt her. I hope she isn’t disclosing that she is insecure about her body to them. Some men might uplift her but others will weaponize this. She needs to be very careful and selective when opening up.
“Beyoncé was initially the muse for this particular beauty standard, but over time, that image has been remixed so much that the current iteration is so far off that even the blueprint tried to mimic the replica.” OH.
Janelle Monae recently talked about this. How they kept trying to lose weight to be as thin as they were in their early twenties but nothing worked. We as a society have to learn people will age and the body changes. That doesn't mean a person is fat. A lot of it has to do with hormones
@@_adrian_sean where did Janelle Monae talk about this? I just want to know where I can find the video/article.
I had to get it off my chest 😩😂
I had to pause the video on this one
I think they talked about it in an interview after they released The Age of Pleasure, I remember watching this part on her Insta!
The fact that anyone believes that celebrities don't have "dental work" done (to borrow Kathy Griffin's joke), is a testament to how we are expected to think celebrities are just so pure and perfect, the mystification of coveted beauty. If we had to admit that with enough money, you can purchase beauty, it would break that parasocial relationship bond for many folks.
An interesting comparison is to how similar this conversation seems to be in J-Pop and K-Pop culture in East Asia. Even though some of the eye surgeries, implants, chin reshapings, and rhinoplasties are pretty obvious, you are still expected to act as if no work has been done, and the celebrity is supposed to do the same. If someone is publicly discovered to have had work done, they are shamed for it.
There’s also a lot more infantilism when it comes to kpop and jpop idols in comparison to black artists, especially when they’re men. Even if we can admit they had work done, we interpret it more as something done to them while women and especially black and brown women are accused of doing it to themselves.
Kathy Griffin just got her lips tattooed so that they look bigger.....
They blatantly promote plastic surgeries while conveting natural beauty. They makes people feel ashamed even after archiving their "perfect" bodies...but they would also be the one suggesting plastic surgeries to "correct" or "enhance". Things is a lot of people fall for it too or convinced themselves that surgically achieved features are natural then beat themselves up for being "ugly". The beauty standards and judgemental society is there to just mess with insecured people and break down confident ones.
@@sapphic.flowerThat’s such an interesting point that I’ve never noticed! American celebs are accused of “ruining their faces”, but I would guess that (especially in the beginning of their careers) just as many American musicians and actors get pressured by their labels or management to undergo surgery as do Korean celebs.
@velvet5620 Plastic Surgery I would guess is never explicitly required, at least I don't think there's any "legal" way to enforce such a contract... but like many "optional" items in life, pursuing cosmetic surgery can grant you extra advantages, or at least help keep you competitive if you do it right.
Michael jackson once said .. “if we were to take all the celebrities in Hollywood that had had surgery and send them all to vacation , Hollywood would be empty” 🤣
Damn😂 MJ said that ? He was funny 😂 and savage
MJ 😅
@@rachel2635 Yeah from memory, he said that in reply to being accused of having a ton of surgeries in an Oprah interview. He defended him self, by stating that he could count the amount of his surgeries on one hand. He wasn't against surgery, but didn't appreciate the focus on his own surgeries/appearance, compared to others who had many more and how normal it was in Hollywood etc
As a bbl woman myself I overly agree with every word said. Not having an ass causing insecurities but having a “fake” ass doesn’t make it fully go away. I do not recommend at all.
I have a real big ass and growing up with it has has gave me so much truma. Like I have to have a tool with me to feel safe. Booty isn’t everything
That just means you had deeper issues that surgery alone couldnt fix. Ive also had a bbl and do not regret it. Everyone has different reasons for getting surgery. Ppl should just do as they please with their body and money.
@@HennyCranberryyI think that's actually what she was saying - that a BBL doesn't address the trauma or deep insecurities you can catch when you're made to believe you have the wrong ass 😅
@@HennyCranberryyyou don't regret it but you still went to get it & that is where the problem lies
@@PickythickyYup. I definitely experienced trauma. I had a big butt since I was 12 years old ( I am now 36)and there was always issues with older man preying on me. I was even made fun of by my peers when I was younger. It isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, but I am very thankful for my confidence today. I worked very hard to gain that.
I would even say Teyana Taylor influenced the newest wave of the gym/fit body in the community, with her starring in Kanye's music video in 2016.
In 2016 I wouldn’t say now tho like respectfully she doesn’t have that much influence anymore she’s forgettable BUT when that music came out she’s was everything
For sure influenced me! 😅
Yes!
And she’s had work done as well
@TannaBanna423 😩please do request a Lorry Hill video. I’m now curious to know
I couldn't imagine all the mental and physical stress to maintain beauty standards for YEARS for the public eye.
I would think it becomes an habit. It's all she know.
Everyone tries to obtain some level of beauty standard. Like the maker of this video spends money, and the risk of damaging her hair to obtain this blonde colour and spends money on makeup. No one it’s exempt unless you are adhering to true feminism and objecting ALL of this not just in parts that make you appear “good”.
@@Mya_water umm there are women like me and her and another who like to play with colors and wigs and wear makeup, shave, exercise, and whatever they like to look and feel good. Nothing wrong with that. 😊 We are not barbarians and don't wanna resort to looking and smelly unkempt. That's feminism. There are different beauty standards in all regions, but one in particular is the impossible standard of looking flawless, youthful, and eurocentric that folks should ignore.
I agree 100%
Right!!??
“A teenage girl in her 20’s” I definitely felt that
Yes like I’m adult but please remember I just graduated the year before last
Thanks for tacking the mystification, the *deification* of Beyoncé. Treating someone as a literal goddess may sound like the opposite of dehumanization, but it absolutely is dehumanization. Gods are not human. And not being allowed to be human, not being recognized as human is the root of most if not all forms of misogyny. Beyoncé is a regular person like you and me, no matter how hard people try to believe she ain't.
This is actually so true
Correct
I always thought it was weird how extreme her following got and now it makes sense
I agree with you 100%. I'm a huge Beyoncé fan and for me her beauty on the inside is what makes her beautiful on the inside. I have met her 3 different times, at three different phases of her stardom and she was so sweet and down to earth all times. In my opinion she was a regular girl who just worked really hard to achieve her dreams. I had no idea when I first met her she would be as big as she is today. She is human just like us and to see what she has accomplished is inspiring and beautiful!
That’s what she intended.
I'm so glad you made this video. I'm South African and a lot (not all) black South African (I would go as far as saying Southern African) women are curvaceous/voluptuous/thick whichever term you prefer. I grew up and am still surrounded by women who naturally look like the BBL archetype. It was so strange to me when pop culture started acting like being curvy and having an hourglass figure was this new thing just because it was new to white media. It also concerned me how our bodies (specially our butts) went from being othered, ghetto and gross to being beautiful and desirable once white women said they wanted to look that way too. As an aside, I want to add that your reference to Sarah Baartman in the beginning of this video is valid. I don't believe that the bodies of black women have truly transcended from being a spectacle, especially in a sexualised way. I love that black women entertainers have sexual agency and express themselves, show off their beautiful bodies proudly, but sometimes it feels like we went from Sarah being forced to display her body for the entertainment and pleasure of her oppressors, to black women willingly displaying themselves for the entertainment and pleasure of consumers/fans.
Right! I’m Jamaican and I’ve noticed this with South African women. Very naturally voluptuous and beautiful I must say. People just aren’t aware.
"once white women said they wanted to look that way too" fucking GOT me deep. THAT'S what bothers me so much about the mystification of the black body, it only ever becomes accepted once white women want to look like us. This is also exactly the reason why blackfishing exists.
I totally agree with you as a South African.
Girl, I couldn’t read all that…but yes, South Africans…a good 97% of girls have an ash. I’m not one of them😅😢😢😢. #sad.
@@GamerSisters getting a overweight ant body means they wanna look like black woman?
I think there's also something to be said about Megan Thee Stallion coming onto the scene natural bodied & fit during a time where ppl were complaining about fake bodies dominating the mainstream, especially female rap. She sort of filled a void in that and kind of ushering back the natural athletic look. I swear I did not see as many women posting their workout videos like that until Meg hit the scene with her viral workout posts. She's def inspiring some of the girls to get back into the gym & take their physical health more seriously, natural or not and I love that.
True that 🙌🏼
Are you serious?! Megan the Stallion has had the MOST plastic surgery of any celebrity out there (except for possibly Cardi B) from head to toe. In order to transform "her" from a man into a woman.
Yes Meg I believe is natural. Her early years she was tall and slim. She gained weight the natural and healthy way to where she is thick and fit. Body Goals!
Yes but y’all only seem to praise natural bodies when they fit the black beauty standard (big butt small waist big boobs). Us smaller figured black women always seem to get left out and still shamed
@@Pink_pr1ncessHopefully one day a smaller Black Woman comes on the scene and takes over, allowing both to co-exist and NOT be compared.
The idea that a specific body shape is considered "trendy" seems surreal to me and can be incredibly detrimental to our society. I truly wish for a world where we can embrace and value ourselves without constantly seeking external validation, as it's impossible to please everyone.
i agree💜
If only we could be judged by our character.
And body standards change so many times
I am laying on my tummy kicking my legs in the air in glee when tee posts
Omg twins
Literally same
@@TeeNoir 🥺💚✨️💚✨️
I think the timing of having a child then having the "bounce back" is a clever way of getting surgery. Like, it's obvious that the girls got it but then they can say "well I was pregnant so...the baby did my body good."
Lorry Hill talks about this very thing (I forget the name of the video) but she talks about C-tucks (when someone delivers via c-section and has a tummy tuck pretty much immediately after).
Beyoncé did not have a bbl. She got heavier and started corseting her waist. She literally has a very obvious fupa and flabby arms now at a lower weight. I never saw no bbl where they don’t harvest fat from the stomach or arms
@@Laratata-nx4wq She has defiently at least had lipo, her stomach is super flat still.
@@brileekait really sent that flat lol even from tour vuds you can see a lil fupa tweets even went viral the other day asking if she was pregnant 💀
What's a fupa? @@Laratata-nx4wq
The story of Sara Baartman is one of the most sickening in history.
It is. I can't even begin to imagine her mental state..
Sara*
The real gag; she wasn't the ONLY one. Black people in general-with "distinct features" - were placed in circuses and other "zoo like" professions. And get this - they did this sort of thing to other groups of people, too 😉. Beauty is like the problem on world peace:: we gonna keep talking about it, and every once in a while actually do Some Things about it.
@@Mya_water corrected thanks!
Just pure evil.
As a gay latino man, this is so far from my business, but sat through the whole thing learning so much. Thanks for uploading it.
Hahaha
Nothing wrong with broadening your horizons! ❤
Knowledge is power. 👍
This is a video about Beyonce and Nicki Minaj, as a gay man you’re literally the intended audience and target demographic for this
Nothing wrong with learning info 😂
I cannot admire you more for never being afraid to speak up and doing so in the most articulate and logical way possible. Rooting for you always Tee!
Thank you SO MUCH!
@@TeeNoir💯!!!!!!! ❤
It’s gossiping under the guise of video essay. Be serious
As a thick girl before a thick girl was a thing.. they way society has gaslit thick girls with thick thighs and a tummy is wild! Seeing people pay for what you have naturally while still telling you that your body is bleeehhh even crazier!
As far as Sarah - she was like 12 and died at like 21 of STDs.
Girl, same. i was called thunder thighs all thru high school, my big butt was made fun of or sexualized since i was 11/12 years old. I wore baggy clothes throughout my teens just because i felt uncomfortable in my body and now being 27 and confident being thick, there are ppl criticizing my thickness. I have rolls and a stomach so what? this wave sure has given me better options for clothes but also they dont know what a natural thick body looks like anymore
@@annabananaSplitz1 you tell no lies sis! Baggy clothes was the uniform fareal! You are definitely right about folks not knowing what a natural body is because while the clothing options are amazing the cuts and placing for REAL CURVY BODY can be so off! 🩷🩷🩷
I was just reading up on this. She died a little later, at about 26. From wikipedia: 'Baartman died on 29 December 1815 around age 26,[2] of an undetermined[27] inflammatory ailment, possibly smallpox,[28][29] while other sources suggest she contracted syphilis,[5] or pneumonia. Cuvier conducted a dissection but no autopsy to inquire into the reasons for Baartman's death.[4]' She lived a terrible life, but she was very clever - played many instruments, spoke English and Dutch, had a great memory for faces and was apparently a very interesting person. She was only properly buried over 200 years after her birth after Nelson Mandela requested her skeleton be returned to her home country of South Africa in 2002.
Wtf thank you for sharing her age, I’ve seen her story many times but never heard her age being said. That poor baby. 😢😢😢
@annabananaSplitz1 same. I'm 42 and been cat called since I was 12. Baggy clothes is the uniform. Now I don't even know what looks good on my anymore. Objectified by men, demonized by women. I used to get in trouble at work every single day for what I wore. What did I wear? Business casual aka slacks and a top with a long oversized cardigan to cover my hips and butt. Who had a problem with what I wore? Another "black" woman. What I had naturally, she had to pay for.
Let’s talk about how the public treated Keke Palmer versus now that she has her child and “gained curves in all the right places”
Right like wtf and what about her behavior as well
Girlll because they dragged goodt sis to hell..about her acne and body..but now it's cool..
@@riquittamoore4874and she's so beautiful with her acne scars 🥺👉🏾👈🏾...I saw the pics of her in the bathrobe, and WOW 😳🥵
She became raunchy so I believe she aided in that treatment and narrative. She sexualised herself. Why does confidence have to come in a form of turning one’s self into a sexual commodity? I understand it’s taking your power back and feeling sexy and every excuse you may have in the book but don’t we already have enough of that in the media?
Let’s talk about how no one has accused her of plastic surgery while her body looks drastically different. But they talk about Beyoncé’s even though she has always been curvy
Im getting tired of people thinking early 4Os is OLD.
It is
It’s not old. It’s middle aged.
It is only for those who are younger than 40. I got called old at 27 by 23 & 25 year olds. When they get 40 they will be called old too. 😅
Sadly only women get told this it’s like once you get older you not beautiful anymore
@@FriendshipIsMagic1998 It's not even middle-aged. People live so much longer now on average that middle age is more like 50s.
My "ick" with cosmetic procedures is a defense mechanism: I don't want to get sucked into a losing game. Like, where does it end? Because all I see is a downhill slide into trying to avoid the inevitable. No matter what I get done, I'm still going to age. I'm 34 and I don't want to spend the rest of my life wishing I looked like I did at 25. Better to just not engage.
Good for you, love! I agree completely. Getting bbl's (not a particularly safe procedure) and then removing them at the whim of whatever society tells you that day is just ridiculous. Imagine having a nice round figure and then making yourself look like a cartoon. Wtf is wrong with us.
Addiction is REAL
It's definitely addictive. I worked in Dermatology for 6years and sometimes we DID get FREE Botox. That's where I started. By the time I left I had Botox, Juvderm & Restylain (fillers) in my CHEEKS, NSL(smile)folds, and in my lips. I'm black and was UNDER 35...I didn't NEED any of it BUT it was free or affordable, we all did it and once you start you DO WANT more
I agree and I feel the same but also I feel like it comes from a place of internalized mysogony and our bias with it even when we do not actively indulge in it is laced with mysogonoir and it just gives me the ick that I see it as a losing game and then subsequently I look down on women who have those procedures...idk though...maybe you're different
@@luliboelihlendibongo1036 I think it's more giving into misogyny than it being internalized. Regardless I've heard people say they won't ever get anything done and they don't until the age really starts to show lol. If you can afford a little tuck, injections, etc most women will because we're also incredibly ageist in America. Can't win except to be happy with yourself as much as possible with or without surgical help.
Beyonce didn't escape fat phobia she was most definitely called the fat one back then and that's how the song "Bootylicious" came to be I'm old enough to remember how initially her body shape was not welcomed by mainstream media and it caused Beyonce to have depression she was harassed online and disappeared for a while and when she came back with "Crazy in Love" she was thinner with more definition to her body.
This is so crazy omg. Because she was definitely skinny/slim she just had curves
Exactly gave this video a thumbs down when she said that, like I clearly are not familiar w beys career or what she has gone through. Ppl calling her thunder thighs when she was 19 just cause she was thicker than usual
Exactly!
I remember one interview she gave when she said she was extremely scared of getting pregnant because she thought she wouldn't lose the weight. That was the time Solange already had her son and Bey said she was happy to be just an aunt for now. She struggled with insecurities and weight issues just like us.
I totally agree. She was definitely bashed by some people. It was to the point where Eminem did a freestyle and included the line moving "like Beyonce's pot belly" in it.
As a teenage girl in her early 40s, I truly enjoyed this video essay.
Wait what?
I get it😂❤
When I tell you I read this twice to see if I misunderstood
Same 😂
Iykyk😂
It's crazy because I never thought of Beyoncé as particularly curvy or thick (like, she was but not in an outlier kind of way) early in her career because the way video vixens were STACKED. Beyoncé had a body type that black people were already familiar with. Although, when she did get pregnant with Blue it really made me noticed how hard she worked to maintain what we now call a slim-thick body type (she had abs for days) because, for me, it was the first time that she didn't seem super fit and in incredible shape. I did notice that at some point around the Coachella/Homecoming/Ivy Park time that she seemed more curvy than ever, like wider hips not just a bigger butt, I never considered that she might have gotten cosmetic surgery/procedures. But considering after 3 children and 20+ years into her career, she has to corset the hell outta her fupa because any amount of weight on Bey means she gotta be 'pregnant', which is a lil sad imho. You can def tell Bey is extremely conscious and meticulous of how she presents herself.
same…i remember Buffy the Body, Melissa Ford, as a couple that were very popular. Video vixens were the modern blue print, imo
i think video vixens were closer to the black beauty standard but beyoncé fit into both white and black standards.
@@tofeeeeee1exactly this.
She did not carry Blu
She wasn't, but she was a different body type from her bandmates. Me being white, I only saw her thicker thighs being out of the ordinary (her bandmates all had slender legs), otherwise she did not strike me as different or curvy, but close to perfection (yes, aside from the face and complexion, her being slim thick - perfect waist and wide hips. I could never look like that lol, I wish! )
Shout out to you for mentioning Riri's influence on tattoo culture. Underboob tattoos are our generation's tramp stamps and that's purely because of her.
Yeah this was such an interesting observation
That we found love in a hopeless place era was crazy
I never noticed that tbh
Black Women literally DID THAT. Like Black Women are so insanely influential and we need to talk about it outside of the entertainment industry! Like it’s insane!
I think hers is beautiful but haven’t really seen anyone else’s.
Love that you touched on ambiguity because its another thing the big 3 have in common that i think contibutes to thier appeal to the others
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The way you said big 3 and I immediately knew who you were referring to😭 (RNB)
Quite literally
who 😅@@jjpopesupremacy8762
they way I immediately caught the Big 3 reference! Bey, Rih, Nicki
I remember being so young and Nicki getting HELLA hate for her body, even with all these people walking around to this day with surgery, she still gets laid out for her body. Nicki and Kim K most definitely made the “fem queen” look mainstream.
Periodt
As she should. She used to skinny shame skinny women knowing she skinny herself with a paid ass. Please. They all look crazy. She is the queen of this delusional surgery culture. She was more famous for her butt than her music at one point
Literally!
Wtf is “fem queen”
I wish they didn’t 😞
I love how you’re educating the subject without disrespecting the artist . Pure intelligence !
I'm a Beyoncé stan and agree with you 100%. You were thoughtful and completely honest. Beauty is NOT divine. In fact, maintaining the mystique around it is exhausting work!
I’m confused what is it do you agree with?
@@Mya_water , that Beyoncé, like most female entertainers before her, has done whatever it takes to uphold the beauty myths surrounding her. She maintains her brand.
As much as I adore muva, she had that ass pumped, then deflated. Which is no crime. It served its purpose. She's still strong, intelligent and talented in its aftermath.
@@Homoesper what’s missing from your observation is that she has lost a lot of weight. She does this typically for touring then when relaxed she goes up in weight. If you look at the composition of her body it’s very much the same at both times just when she gains more weight it looks a lot more extreme.
@@Mya_water , I agree she gained postpartum weight, but the proportions of her behind were greatly exaggerated for a period. Honestly? I don't look down on her for getting a BBL. She's no less fabulous because of it.
She reversed it and STILL looks beautiful!
@@Homoesper I think it’s quite interesting you stated the point but also missed it. She was a lot bigger before overall. Now she isn’t as big but as I said her composition is exactly the same. Hence when she gained weight it looked bigger. There pics of her in her early 20s with the same build. There’s video of 21st bday same build. The time people are accusing of having a bbl is when she was also the biggest in weight she has ever been
Forgive me for laughing at the "ICU nurse" with a BBL. The accuracy.
So accurate! Half of the female staff at hospitals have BBLs now. Especially front desk staff and medical assistants.
Paralegals too!
Honestly!!! Beyoncé being the pinnacle ambiguity I think also is part of why she reached global status pre internet dominance. Like my cousins in india looooooved her despite them barely caring for most other western celebs I liked (her being such an amazing vocalist also helps lol) and I feel like you can prolly make similar arguements for many other parts of world where have brown skin is common?
Also the reason why Kelly isn't bigger
Beyonces features honestly look a bit Indian or even middle eastern. I think people forget she's mixed.
@@puffball4484Both her parents are black. Her mom just has creole roots..
@@puffball4484YESSSS!!! She literally looks like how I think the Queen of Sheba looked like back in the Day?
@@puffball4484I always find it fascinating that people consider Beyonce mixed but not Solange. Lol. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone refer to her as mixed ever, even though they have the same father and mother
Hi Tee this is out of the topic of this video but I'm a South Korean student studying english and your video really helps me a lot with my vocabulary. Every time I watch your video, I turn on the subtitles and my dictionary app. Thank you!
I think people forget how mean the early 2000 were to female celebrities. From the upskirt photos and nude scandals. Rih had one that I think affected her deeply and guides how she presents herself now, aka she owns her presentation, including her nudity so it can't be used against her. Something worth researching and exploring as a topic; talking to myself here as weii😂
Rihanna had one??
Yes, that really should be taken in consideration when talking about strategy, I mean the environment was HOSTILE
YES OMG I LOVE THIS IDEA
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024yes she did
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 her nudes were leaked and I remember her saying how deeply it embarrassed her. Which is why her deliberate nudity and public embracing of her sexuality makes sense to me so that it can no longer be used against her.
the portion about nicki having that propped up "video vixen" body type sent me back to the first time i saw her on 106 & park in the 5-star chick mv. i kept being like "why do they keep showing this video girl??" and then she started rapping.......the black and pink hair??? the 'chinese' bangs??? the personality?!?!?! my life was forever changed in that moment
ICONIC.
FACTS I remember the lil Kim squat pose and I thought who is this an up-and-coming video Vixen then I found out she was a rapper and the rest was history
For the past few years I stop complimenting on looks especially with children. It’s my attempt to reprogram the social construct of beauty. Now when I hear a sad story it truly irks me when I hear “who could do this to her, she so beautiful” SMH
Ty for being the responsible person younger ppl need :)
I 100% believe Bey had work done when I saw the Ivy Park campaign. I think she had a boob job years earlier and no one ever said anything about it. I’m the same age as her so I think it has kept me from idolizing her over the years but I did feel very sad when I saw that ad campaign. She had to get work to keep up with what she started. But I love this video. It’s rare that any ever actually can present intellectual thoughts on the topic without being accused of being jealous or envious but you did it. And got yourself a new subscriber.
She's had a bbl, too
She looks skinny as hell in Renaissance era
I think y’all are crazy for saying she had a bbl
"beauty is shifting from what you are, to what you can create", love that! and it is indeed just that right now
the belly button on the renaissance cover wasn't fooling the dolls and that's okay. Also Lil Kim was calling herself black barbie and originated that phrase in the early 2000's and she was super thin and petite which was the beauty standard at the time. You can say Nicki did the exaggerated curves but Kim originated the barbie aesthetic.
Thank you I was like what you mean Black Barbie didn’t exist?
The belly button will definitely give it away 😂
mind you her belly button has looked like that
@lenkahusarova1314 yes bc she had already had obvious lipo years ago
@@lenkahusarova1314 look at a candid photo of bey on a yacht in 03 vs her belly button on the renaissance cover. They are not the same. I love bey DOWN but let’s be realistic here. It’s okay.
Don’t let them silence you Tee!!!!
I am trying!!
@@TeeNoiryea off wid dem bloodclath head instead ❤❤❤🇯🇲💃🏾💃🏾
I don’t think Beyoncé had the most extravagant work done ever , but why is it outrageous to say she got something done ? I feel like Beyoncé fans want to believe that she’s perfect & not anything like these new artists : she’s all natural , she never had any work done , she never wears weaves , she never reacts to anything people say about her . & I’m here to say it’s okay for her to not be perfect ! it’s okay for her to get surgery if she wants to & it’s okay for her to have something in common w/new artists . y’all need to remove these stigmas about “unnatural” things & understand that every celebrity is not gonna be 100% natural .
This !
Nobody has ever said she’s never worn weave lmao what, she was the queen of braids, she’s got beautiful natural hair which is also partially died honey blonde, for example during the renaissance tour she wore wigs o stage, she tends to wear wigs on stage so she doesn’t sweat out, but day to day she tends to wear her natural tresses, I follow her hairstylist on IG, he posts when she’s wearing a wig and when she isn’t. Also Beyonce has been body goals for multiple years, she had a body people wanted, from the abs, shape, thigh ratio etc, so her growing older and looking fuller, it isn’t automatically assumed that it’s surgeries as she’s always had a very captivating shape that was never really lacking. The only thing I think she may have had is a boob lift, not implants, but a lift after the twins. I don’t think she’s had a BBL, she’s always have a proportional bum to thigh ratio, she also only wears high waisted clothing now, if she had a BBL she would be proudly showing off her stomach like she did prior to pregnancy. It just doesn’t make sense.
I don’t believe most Bee Hive fans get upset at the fact that Beyonce may have had or have anything unnatural (hair included). However, I believe the problem/ issue is why must everyone want Beyonce to say Oh yeah I had a tummy tuck oh yeah I wear weave. Beyonce has never said that she didn’t. The problem is why must everyone obsesses over what this woman do with her body or hair. She’s a musician and great performer. EVERY mainstream female artist enhance themselves for whatever “image” they choose to project. No mainstream female artist wake up wash their face and brush their teeth and hit the stage. So why is it so important for everyone to know what all someone has done to project their image. It’s a persona. Listen to the music or not ,but what’s the point in attacking a person. Sitting back nit picking at any possible “imperfections” on a person who hasn’t done anything to you says more about you than them. Y’all really jealous and/or are bullies. If she was a child y’all would understand but guess what she’s still someone’s child and she’s still a HUMAN. She don’t deserve the constant ridicule. She’s literally one of the best people. MOST celebrities praise her not for how she looks but by their interactions with her. They all say she’s so nice and humble which is all that should really matter.
@@deevasquez1171Her point is that her fans are the first to say what she doesn’t have or didn’t get-as you are right now
You can tell who's part of the beehive by the paragraphs😬
When she shared about her diet regime for the Coachella, I was like ooohhhh baby girl.... I feel so sad for her
Liiiikkkkeee to have to eat like THAT 😮😮I'm glad she realized her happiness or lack of a variety in diet wasn't worth that body
For her? I felt sad for the millions of young girls she was influencing 😢
No need, it was real, eating less and moving more is the only way to lose weight and be healthy, nobody wants to see a husky Beyonce on stage huffing and puffing and dragging on stage, she is a performer and looking the part is part of the package. You can't lose weight eating bags of chips.
@@r.walker7986she went the extreme way she didn't have to choose that but like you said images is everything and we live in a vain country 😢😢
@@asjasj7168you can’t blame her it’s already hard to be that famous and have all that pressure to uphold an image.
it's okay to have a bias against plastic surgery while still supporting femmes who have it. men's bias seems to be about controlling women's looks and empowerment, but there's valid reason to hold a bias, too - femmes engagement with beauty can empower us, hurt us, give us more social cache while making it more difficult for others
Hm, I will consider this the next time I visit the topic
What do you mean femmes? This has nothing to do with lesbians lol
The thing about plastic surgery that always has me thinking is would you have done it in a vacuum? Like without trauma, social pressure, bullying, racially biased beauty standards, or insecurity would plastic surgery even have come to mind?
Would you have gotten that nose job to make your nose look more "white," or would you still have gotten a bbl if you weren't called "pancake ass" for years. Would you be putting metal in your legs to make yourself taller if you didn't think it make you more desirable/ manly?
At the end of the day I think people should do what they want. And plastic surgery can help people. But, I think my (I guess aversion) comes from the idea that it doesn't seem like a truly free choice if that makes sense lol.
@@ORGSEfemmes is a term to describe people who fall under the umbrella of female identity this includes cis women, trans women, non-binary femmes, etc
@@ORGSE In non-lesbian circles, femmes can broadly mean to include feminine presenting folks like gay men or nonbinary & genderfluid folks. They're not dragging femme lesbians through the mud ^^;
As someone who was old enough at the time, the media already started this ‘slim-thick’ agenda and J Lo was very much centred in it. I remember thinking it so weird that magazines like Shape, Glamour, Allure etc would put J Lo in the ‘curvy’ section when she’s so slim.
Yeah, they started it with JLo in Selena. They tried their hardest to keep the secret that, that wasn’t so reeeaaaaal body and that she was padded up.
But we all saw how the body from the movie, never made it into the “pop hop” music videos.
But Beyoncé came in and the body was real. So they made her the standard
@@nezzytoyou767no actually that was her real body, you can look at old clips of in living color and see her proportions and how she tried to cover it. She lost alot of weight in for Selena but her but didn’t go away, after Selena she supposedly had lipo on her butt to fit the standard beauty and being skinny and proportionate, but she was still considered “curvy”, but Beyoncé was never known to have a big bum she was curvy and thick with a nice body but jlo was known for her butt, even after she lost it…which I don’t understand how but yeah. As someone who witnessed the shift real time, that’s how it went. Even Selena didn’t have a butt like jlo, I remember me and my friend watching Selena and having a “omg backy” and my friend is mexican and she was like “Selena didn’t look like that” even tho Selena did have a big butt. Idk jlo’s body was just propositioned differently. All 3 are/were/still is beautiful tho ❤ god bless the dead❤ (Selena)
That was also the era of low rise jeans so Beyonce's extra low jeans was definitely noticeable.
I think context is important, Janet Jackson always had a butt but the media didn't pay attention but the brothers did lol.
When she transformed and came out with a six-pack in 1992, she still had a butt but her abs got all the attention because that was what was in then.
When I think of slim thick I think of the real Selena who of course unfortunately passed away. I think of Sade who shut down questions about her body from earlllyyy in her career by refusing interviews.
The body type has always been around it's just the media honed in on Beyonce. I'm old enough to remember when she played back seat to Britney in popularity and Britney was considered the pinnacle of sexiness and curves 🤷♀️.
Because "curves" back then meant boobs lol
Yes, JLo bore much of the brunt of having a real curvy body. Idk what that other person is talking about. Her booty was voluptuous in her pop videos & in magazines so I don’t know about any padding (has she seen the ‘I’m Glad’ video, it was shaking like jello). Of course she got the accolades for her body type as well & presenting it unabashedly, ushering in an era when a woman can embrace her curves… when this body type had always been there, albeit without any fanfare as Black women have always had curves, though were never applauded for it. After Lopez’s booty boom and with Beyoncé’s (DC’s) ‘Bootylicious’ it brought attention towards her curvy body & then it all became about Beyoncé’s body. I know I will get pushback for this but people always talk about how beautiful Beyonce is (and she is, her completely natural face & body is) but she’s had 2 nose jobs and Kelly looks completely different with her new nose but people pick and choose who they dog out for surgery but then they praise others for being ‘so beautiful’ but changing a facial feature is moving the goal post significantly. Like Alicia Keys talking about going without makeup (when she’s had a nose job) and how women should break the shackles of feeling like they have to wear makeup. It’s like ma’am if I could change the biggest flaw I felt was the worst thing on my face, I’d probably stop wearing makeup too. 🤷🏽♀️
@@zucchinigreenBritney Spears was the low-rise jeans trendsetter. Maybe she wasn’t the first person to wear them, but she popularized the lowest of the low rise in her music videos and concerts.
The media was obsessed with her body starting when she was 16 with her first hit “Baby one more time.” After 2000 VMAs’ showstopping performance, MTV and others were openly talking about her b00bs and speculating on implants. She got asked about it a lot too. She was 18 then.
Destiny’s Child had a big hit with “Independent Women” in “Charlie’s Angels” but Beyonce only became a mainstream solo star in 2003. JLo had been in the media spotlight with her curves for approx 5 years by then. ❤
can your next video be on the history of moneymaking off of making women insecure of their natural bodies?
Yes
Please do. I have been waiting for someone to talk about this specifically.
This read
I recommend reading “the Beauty Myth” by Naomi Wolf
She really should
10:13 "she's made the best out of the type of body she has" as if Beyoncé's natural body was some kind of consolation prize and not already fairly slim and, oh yeah...completely gorgeous
Her body on that video was looking so damn good, and slim. What was that woman even on? The early 2000s were a trip I'll say that.
I cringed hearing that.. like girl stand up and let’s see what you’re working with.. but then I thought. Man, white people have a totally different standard of beauty
@@catierollins8493Not just white people, we all have a different standard of beauty.
Not tryna save that white woman but she followed it with strong, curvaceous and really sexy so i don't think it was a insult
@@catierollins8493in the early 00s it was all about thinness and perfect long torsos. Nobody could escape the criticism if they didn't meet the standard of 100 lbs and visible abs. Britney got fat shamed at the Vmas when she was perfectly THIN. As children growing up then we got our fair share of body issues by watching that.
So glad someone is finally brave enough to say that our queen did in fact get a bbl. The ppl still here in these comments tryna deny are delusional. Ivy park era was very obviously unnatural laterals. And that’s okay babies. Denying it only means you think it’s bad or wrong what SHE CHOOSE to do with HER BODY
and when would she have gotten that? there wasn’t anything unnatural looking about her body during the ivy park era, y’all have just found out about bbls and now thing everyone with big hips has one. and people should think it’s bad, a bbl is one of the most dangerous surgeries you can get overall, not just cosmetic surgery. and after how hard her pregnancy with her twins was and how she almost died I doubt she ran straight to the operating table to get such a dangerous surgery.
Idk if she got a BBL but she slowly been getting touch ups from a boss surgeon. She has definitely got some form of cosmetic surgery over the years.
why do people insist on a bbl? she’s always had wide hips..maybe it’s liposuction. she could’ve just gained weight and gotten some removed from her stomach. however, i’ve seen clips from the renaissance tour and her stomach isn’t extremely flat as it appears in the ivy park promotions.
I don't know why I always think she already said she had a BBL. I thought she said it a long time ago.
@@lenkahusarova1314you ate this reply uppp
She’s still human and a celebrity and literally almost every celeb has had a form of plastic surgery. I don’t know why people think she couldn’t do it
I think everyone has fantasies that stem from the need to feel loved and respected. So manny of my childhood fantasies were similar to yours, I’ll grow up and be famous and successful and respected and happy. As stability becomes less and less attainable people look for ways to give themselves an edge, and when they see their faves doing things to themselves and then being happy and successful, why wouldn’t they do it to?
I remember when I was 6 and went to a Raven Symone concert, I was so sure I’d run into her in the bathroom and we’d be best friends and was extremely disappointed when that did not occur.
This comment speaks to me deeply /gen
Truth! I agree completely. As we get older, we see a lot of stuff isn't attainable anymore.
Nikki didn’t have to tell me she got “ enhanced” there was a drastic change from her MySpace days to her Cash Money days. If you had eyes you could tell.
I remember having a conversation with a Caucasian friend of mine and I said "because her butt is fake" and he goes "no it's not, are you sure? I'm pretty sure that's just how her butt is.."
I thought, oh my God, people are so dense sometimes.
@@bex6638 Lol game goofy
Yeah at one point it was too big like Kim k hers was awful to
I cannot BELIEVE people think Beyonce's body is natural. Her bbl has faded a bit recently. But she was never stacked like that until the Formation tour. People are delulu.
………her body shape has always been the same and she gained a ton of weight when she had twins, which she clearly shed to prepare to the tour. Are you guys DUMB or just haven’t seen how her body has changed over time?
Honestly I just assumed it’s because she grew up or had kids
Its as if she lost weight again. She wasn't thick until after the birth of the twins. The bbl rumor happened during homecoming/otrii world tour/back is king era. She never had time to rest until covid lockdown. Make it make sense.
Beyoncé did not have a bbl. She got heavier and started corseting her waist. She literally has a very obvious fupa and flabby arms now at a lower weight. I never saw no bbl where they don’t harvest fat from the stomach or arms
@@Giraffe27 yeah but this is what's damaging. People are assuming these celebs are getting new, more beautiful bodies and faces because they "grew up" or got pregnant. It's created an entire generation of dismorphic women and girls. Chile they are getting WORK DONE THE HOUSE DOWN BOOTS.
I get people have work done, but people often forget the body doesn’t stay the same as we get older. Breast that were small can become bigger with child birth and weight gain. I start with DD in the 8th grade, but I have also been a C cup in my late 20’s because I worked out twice a day in the Army. Now I am a DDD. There are ways of achieving the look without surgery when u have money to pay for it. Riri was small then people gave her shit for gaining weight like she was a girl when she started and is a full grown woman with kids.
Working out doesn’t make your breast bigger
@@Pink_pr1ncessBreast fat sits on top of muscle. If youre working out doing specific exercises to strengthen those muscles it does make the size of your breasts appear to be larger
I have six children. I was 32A before my children and I’m still a 32A cup now.
@@Pink_pr1ncessthat should have been obvious from the comment lol. She said she was a DD. She dropped to a C because she was working out in the military
I mean, Beyoncé made a while song called Pretty Hurts. I'd like to think she was, in a way, admitting to having some kind of procedure to enhance her appearance.
Likely because in the video she's getting Botox and has her face drawn on as if she's going to get a facelift. So yes I know what you mean it's kind of like her admitting that she's not out of the mix when it comes to using plastic surgery to keep up.
Actually, it was written by Sia. Beyonce doesn't really write her own songs.
You know every song an artist sings doesnt have to be autobiographical right? You do know that RIGHT?
@@thephemeissuefalse she doesn’t write all her songs but she does write and I’m sick of the narrative
Also she picks every song she performs especially by the time Pretty Hurts came out, and she has a very hands on role when it comes to the visuals
“I know how you girls like to tussle; and LOSE!” That part 😂😂😂😂
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My daughter just came home crying from middle school. The boys in gym were teasing her because she has a curvaceous body. I’m so mad!!! I wish she never experienced what happened to me. This has to stop. Poor thing is 13 and she gets cat called and I’m angry because I wanted to believe men are evolving.
As a fellow thicc gal that peaked in early high school, I found that the best thing to do is develop a backbone and unwavering confidence. The moment these men spot that u are self conscious about yourself, they swoop in. As twisted as it sounds, they get off to the fact that women are slightly afraid of them.
Yes mom, empower your daughter. She's the prototype.
You are absolutely right! A lot of men are very predatory and get off on fear.
@@traveltoks6578❗️❗️❗️❗️This!!! I’d go full Drew Afualo on those lil boys, middle school boys are their own breed of menace to society 😭
It’s very scary when this happens. When a group of guys were making fun of my shape as a teen, I was at first really embarrassed, then became angry and told one of them he shouldn’t be talking about me like that, especially in public
He did apologise, but all that sick attention as a young person over a body shape you don’t control, makes me a bit salty that it’s a cute trend now. Hopefully your daughter can get through this! Street harassment is such a nasty social issue
It's completely F'd up. What I hate most about this plastic body trend is that for insecure women it creates this false sense of confidence/belonging/ego which can only be attained through a process that could KILL you, but it's promoted as if it were the equivalent of buying an expensive purse. 🥴What's worse is that mothers who get it, have daughters who will most likely inherit their mother's natural figure, then be subconsciously led by their mama/role model down a path of self-hatred and body dysmorphia & be inspired to also risk their life for plastic surgeries to fit an impossible beauty standard. Very vicious cycle.
Idk,, unpopular thought but I always imagine if the roles were reversed where we suddenly normalised this bs for men, and were convinced to accept them getting D enhancement surgeries, fake biceps, facial reconstructions, etc. I could not marry a guy, let alone take him seriously, with any of that mess 😂😂😂 It must feel so off for normal guys to be told that they have to praise fake body parts nowadays 😭 Natural bodies all day 💖
Most men honestly do not care about it at least the younger ones. I think mostly only women have this type of integrity.
That's the big thing is people compare there bodies to public figures and they don't even realise their figures might be due to surgery. You can't really hope to compare to that because when you start to look a bit older or out of shape as a celebrity you can just throw money at the problem and look 25 again and almost nobody in their regular life can do that.
I now call it the SZA/Summer Walker effect… cause before they were both shy, so “insecure”, so homebody… didn’t even mingle with certain women in the spotlight but now both can be seen out on stage, front and center, phones recording them… twerking, going to clubs to shake the ass they invested. I’m not mad at it but surgery is definitely a false sense of self security for sure… if you weren’t happy with yourself before but after a plastic surgery appointment… you whole life changed along with the public persona?? Can’t be right, can’t be true happiness in oneself within, it. But some ppl really only feel heard and appreciated after their bbl, even though MANY PPL have either core fans, friends, relationships that are waiting for them to step out as themselves without it… but if they like it I love it
There’s a lot of men who speak out against it too so it may be half and half.* @@thesacredbombshell
WELL THE REASON WOMEN DO IT IS BECUZ MEN ARE VISUAL, SO IT PAYS OFF FOR WOMEN TO ENHANCE...
Overall, people need to chill when it comes to celebrities, ESPECIALLY Beyoncé. Yes, Beyoncé is talented and beautiful, but she is just a human being, and we all shit out of the same hole. Placing her on some unreachable pedestal and treating her like a goddess is not good for us or her. She is the celebrity's celebrity and that must be incredibly isolating.
Y’all should chill on the MJ pedo accusations then
@@itzcandy5896 lmao who is "y'all" and why the hell are you bringing MJ up?
@@kisikisikisi
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Before Nikki there was BUFFY THE BODY. They talked about it on a hip hop documentary how big butts went up after she came out. Even tho she was NATURAL
Was Buffy natural? I remember she had a workout channel on RUclips.
Yep, her and Melyssa Ford
I see you out here UPGRADING that editing and production quality 👀
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The Nicki portion was just spotttt tf onnn I thought I was the only one who felt like she didn’t acknowledge how much respect THE WORLD has for her as a rap artist
Something I find so interesting is that the women who actually are open about their surgery always talk about how they hate it and don’t recommend to anyone. But it’s always AFTER the work is done.
THA'S BECUZ IT'S LIKE HAVING A B4EAUTIFUL WOMAN KEEP TELLING YOU SHE KNOWS SHE'S UGLY!!!...SEE WHAT I'M SAYING??
I think that’s also part of an agenda to depict one’s self as a martyr to the pursuit of beauty. Because then that makes them seem more grounded while never completely de-centering the desirability resulting from the regrettable surgeries from their overal image.
MAMA TEE I’m here and I’m kneeled 🧎♀️
❤, now get up off dat flo
Chile stand up 😭
I don't blame you tho lol😭
On the topic of Beyoncé being ambiguous, do you think that may be part of why she stopped doing interviews? I’m sure she also enjoys her privacy but I feel like people made fun of how she talked because maybe they didn’t expect her to sound so southern and black.
Ouuuuu, this is an interesting perspective!
I think the main reason why she stopped doing interviews was she doesn't have heaps of personality like Nicki or Cardi B so staying slient was the better option.
Also to boost her mystique and stardom and it keeps you out of alot of culture war issues.
@@monzorella1oh she def had personality tho
I never saw Beyonce as racially ambiguous if that's what you meant she always looks black to me navigate talking about nationality then yes because I can see her being Dominican Puerto Rican or even Trinidadian where you question the percentage of black they have in them but you still see the blackness
@@monzorella1 She has lots of personality lol. This is literally a well-known fact that she stopped doing interviews because people like wendy williams kept constantly going after her deep southern accent and talking voice.
When it comes to racial ambiguity, i'd say mariah carey is the best example of that.
I agree!
I guess, but tbh I could always tell she was a Black Biracial. I also wonder, if y’all knew that Tommy was the one who kept pushing that narrative because he didn’t like Black Ppl. 💀
Have to disagree. Mariah is clearly biracial black. Especially to Black people.
Racial ambiguity is the not knowing bit. Beyoncé is in that range where you are not sure both parents are black.
I remember reading an article some years ago that stated that Beyoncé’s biological father is Italian (remember Matthew Knowles adopted her when she was 1 after he married her mom), so her facial features, lightness of the skin, and Creole features makes plenty sense. She’s a biracial black woman. Both parents aren’t black.
No, Mariah Carey doesnt look mixed. She looks white and is white passing 100%.
"Women deserve to have their privacy and bodily autonomy respected; what they do with their bodies is their business" and "America's obsession with objectifying women and putting unrealistic standards on pedestals is ABSOLUTELY going to affect the way that they see themselves" are two conversations that are not mutually exclusive.
I'll admit, I have biases against plastic surgery as well, not against the women that get it, but because I recognize the overlap in women wanting to see their bodies in a way that's appealing to them (and they're valid for that btw), but that they probably wouldn't have those standards in the first place if it wasn't for the constant outside influences; ie. Celebrity/ 'Baddie' culture, and just social media in general.
You make such good quality videos. As a model from the 90’s and 2000”s, I feel like you are extremely correct about the Beyonce effect. Lil Kim is the one who started the Barbie trend and plastic surgery. Nikki took over Kim’s persona and made it more popular. She always feels tortured about the other girls not giving her flowers. Because she’s know what she did to Kim.
🎯 Nicki further popularized Kim's persona. She's talented, obviously, but the same way she was tight-lipped about her enhancements, she moved in the same manner in regards to Kim's influence.
What did nicki do to kim?
EXACTLY
Me personally I felt like academic validation was very close to beauty validation, like being called smart and being gifted or praised or promoted due to it has benefited me more than my beauty has. Lookism plays a huge part in society, and I feel like what incentives women get now for desirability is what men get for success and knowledge
It’s never crossed my mind Beyoncé has “racial ambiguity”? At most, she’s always been light skinned but she’s always been loud and proud about being black and everyone else always make a statement of it, so idk what ambiguity she’s supposedly getting
Her mother is creole. Most African Americans already have about 20% European ancestry due to admixture during slavery. Creoles can have even more which results in their really light skin and looser hair texture.
@@Cameron-rt4tbbut what about solonge 4b hair?
@@Cameron-rt4tb im creole and im literally the color of a white person. light brown hair and about 3a 3b curls. being creole does that lol
For the early 2000’s she wasn’t the typical black woman for sure. At a pop star/household name level.
@@eenchantress5113Our textures can vary regardless of admixture. I am fully African (Nigerian/Cameroonian), and I am dark with 3C/4A hair, while my sister is lighter with very thick 4C hair.
Very well structured video. I clocked some of the surgeries subtly done throughout the years. Really interesting how you tied in how black women's bodies are treated as a separate entity from the actual person. Also, This video giving budget. Okayy 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
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I felt like I was the ONLY one who noticed Beyonces BBL after she gave birth to the twins. She’s definitely gotten thin again, even from the start of the tour till today.
I'd lay more on the side of tummy tuck. Her ass isn't bigger, but a tuck can give the same weird waist/hip shape as a bbl
No girl. Alot of us noticed.😅
I remember saying that she looked liked Blac Chyna's fake figure in that outfit
y'all saying beyonce got a bbl after nearly dying giving birth to twins makes no sense. she literally started rehearsal for coachella not too long after she gave birth. she was on a strict diet. getting a surgery like that would prohibit her from doing her performing. mind you her weight has fluctuated throughout her career. she's always had curves.
@@caribbeanadams3345Beyonce don't know you. & quit liking your own comment
As soon as she started the mythos section, I thought of Sarah Baartman. People need to become more familiar with her story. It’s weird how the same thing that happened to her has been remixed over the generations in some form.
Sara*
@@Mya_waterit’s the same even Sara isn’t her original name…just the westernized spelling
@@thairenea The POINT is we know Sara not Sarah these are completely diff sounding name
Saartjie Bartman
@@VeeKayGreenerGrass exactly
this may sound weird because I am not a woman of color, but I am personally very happy that Beyonce and JLo and Nicki and Rihanna all came to the height of their fame with the bodies they had when they did. I was going through puberty and high school and it was so helpful for me to see women with thicker bodies be celebrated and desired. Now as an adult, I am realizing that the slim-thick body type is very difficult to achieve for most women including me without surgery, and of course I am more nuanced in my thinking about the advantages and disadvantages of bodily desirability, especially for women who's bodies are fetishized and often targeted for abuse because they are PoC. But with my middle school age understanding, I was glad that at least I never felt the need to engage in dangerous eating habits and I hated myself much less than I would have had they never become the sex symbols and icons that they did.
The history you went into, if you look at Serena, the similar thing was kind of done with her body. The photographers were always taking photos of her bum. I think before the bbl epidemic, her body was mentioned in quite a few songs.
Yes a lot of men were obsessed with her butt they also called her face ugly and such look like a man in the face and upper body
Yes and she’s had facial work done
She got work done too. Her body was naturally nice then her butt started looking weird. But, she can do as she chooses.
Do you mean Selena? They definitely did that to her before she passed. Or Serena Williams too
@@Pushnotificationsalwaysoffbye I'm talking Serena Williams. There were posters of her serving but they pictured her from behind. Her body was always ridiculed by a lot the white tennis fans.
" Thank you for respecting my duality." THIS!!!! Hit me in my core.
ugh i love how you communicate and express yourself so much. consuming your content is brain and soul healing
Weird
Can we just talk about Tee Noir's editing skills real quick? Outside of that, yes girl - continue dropping them gems!
"The blueprint tried to mimic the replica" MISS TEE W THE BARS
A celebrity from my country died today due to kidney failure that was the result of a botched procedure,so this video came at the right time for me
Those celebrities/influencers barely talk about the deadly side effects 😔
Beyoncé was on the cover of gossip magazines since Crazy in Love for her obvious liposuction. She may not be as extreme as others but it’s clear that she gets work done. Look at her modern lips
Her lips look normal and you seem bitter.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 you seem like a Stan because even the blind can see her lips. Now continue worshipping please! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🥴✌🏽😂😂
@@numerologicatarot3333word💯💯
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024stop lying. saying the truth isn't being bitter.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024girl bye !
Bro I literally watched GET OUT after watching this, and it really points out how twisted this all is. Such as how the yt gaze tends to showcase black people as objects (I.e. like breaking them down to their features and body parts), it almost makes the black image animalistic. Like it is so wonderfully executed in that movie. And you did a good job of explaining that idea more as well.
I feel you so hard on the plastic surgery topic. I’m 21 and my mom recently got lipo and transferred fat, and I’ve felt so like… jealous? Or just resentful since it happened, and it’s a really strange thing to experience towards my mom, who I love. But I think it’s a sense of hypocrisy, like I grew up with you telling me these things are okay and we have to accept them, and now you go and change them? Im glad she feels happy tho, and I still respect and admire women who have gotten work done. I guess it’s an internal thing I’ll have to work on. I’m excited to see if you post a video about it ❤
Idk how old your mom is but getting plastic surgery at an older age is different, it's kind of understandable.
@@labelmeposh not old, definitely not necessary or needed
@@elize2952 you're 21 (and I'm not saying this in a condescending way) but I'm older and although not a fat transfer I'd definitely like to get a tummy tuck bc no matter how hard I work out I can't get that stomach flat 🤷♀️
@@labelmeposh And that’s fine. Like I said in my comment, it’s the “hypocrisy” of saying that it’s okay to not have a perfectly flat stomach with abs, but then go and have work done, plus her stomach was not even visibly big or anything.
@elize2952 Have a good day..she probably said that 59 years ago and your jealous behind cannot let it go. It's a shame when daughters are jealous of their mothers. I hope you don't hurt her.
So well dissected Tee. Also, the ending “thanks for respecting my duality”. A proverb!
Cuz I'm sayin! 😂❤️
@@TeeNoir "respect my duality" is A Gemini negro spiritual!
Damn the production on this one 🤯 same gems but whew 😮💨 i know the fandoms ga feel this
Per your plug!!
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 thanks boss!
whos the editing plug?
I’m glad someone has finally said it. I’ve been saying it since the Ivy Park drop.
“Beauty is a bitch” is an eye opening statement
Regarding the point that Tee made towards the end of the video about how despite the content of her videos, people still comment on her looks: This is yet another example of how it doesn't matter what women do, what we say or what we achieve, we will still be judged and valued based on our appearances. There is such a massive fixation on women's appearances, that we are reduced to mere objects to be looked at. This happens whether people like what we have to say or not, just look at how Greta Thunberg and Sanna Marin were treated, for example. Yet at the same time women get ridiculed for paying attention to and working on their own appearance. In the end it all boils down to the desire or even the need to judge and control women.
This is one of those days when everyone releases a new video.
I love those kind of days💕
Who else👀 pls tell. I'm going through a drought
@@kodathepoet. Accented Cinema & Skip Intro to name someone.
Last day of the month to honor sponsorship contracts lol
they had a meeting😅
She has had a skinny BBL for years. No one has perfectly round hips and no hips dips whatsoever. Of course some may have more extreme hip dips but she has had round hips for years. Just very very subtle.
i think identifying with our humanness would open a gateway to liberation from beauty, for lack of a better way to put it, a good place to start for playing outside of desirability. understanding we don’t always look one way, imperfections are ok, and ESPECIALLY understanding that i can respect you regardless of what you look like. just for starters. this is a great video talking about the mystic in the beauty and how beauty is like a pawn in a much bigger game
Listen… sis… you are IT… you’re GOING to have your own talk show or something! The way you broke this down so intelligently, with personality, charm and with eloquence 😎 you’re time is coming! Yessssss🎉💛
It’s very obvious to me that Beyoncé has had some body work done. And that’s ok. It’s not a bad thing. Most celebrities have because of the nature of this industry and the need to look “perfect.” Bey likes to be discreet and not put her business out there and we gotta respect that.
She has adressed the opposite in lyrics in Renaissance lol. "Been thick, been fine, still a 10, still here. That's ALL ME" (Cozy), "My body, my ice, my cash, all real...." (Top Off)
Very obvious how lol. Idk how Beyoncé had work done but she still has fat on her arms, a little stomach and the ass in person is not big. But go off.
It’s only fine if you don’t lie about it, which she has, several times
@@bubbles4897or she hasn’t lied and hasn’t had anything done. you know peoples bodies change, esp after children and getting older. also, it’s none of your business if people get things done anyway
@@lenkahusarova1314You Beyoncé stans in the comments make me so damn curious. What is it about someone saying that Beyoncé MAY have gotten work done that offends you guys so much? The sheer IMPLICATION rials you people up like nobody's business. Girl, Beyonce wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, why you getting mad on her behalf?
Almost every single one of Beyoncé's peers - white, black, asian - have gotten SOME work done (nose jobs, skin lightening, bbl, breast implants, eye jobs etc). Their job basically expects it of them because they have to look a certain way if they want to keep their jobs. What is it about Beyoncé that makes you think that she's somehow above that?
Even then, why CAN'T people talk about it? Are we not allowed to even speculate? Beyoncé cultivated her career by being a pop icon - someone who people talk about- but the moment it's about whether her beauty is completely natural, it's now "its none of your business" or "she had a baby".
Like damn, she's still a human being. She can be influenced by the beauty standards she inspired, as much as your next door neighbour, fam.
Thank you for this video. Her skinny bbl is so freaking obvious and ITS OKAY. Y’all’s queen got a little surgery … accept it and move on it’s really not that serious
Exactly
Ikr? I don't get it.
If it's not that serious then why are people making entire videos about it. Is bigger s*** going on in the world and y'all f****** making videos about whether somebody you will never meet in life has a skinny BBL. Maybe if y'all had this much energy towards actual s*** we don't care it's not that weird to dying is that we don't care cuz we're not there to look at her body we're going to hear her sing and listen to her music. Even if somebody's surgery look bad I refuse to talk about it I don't give a f*** it's not my body
Yeah but who said it wasn't okay?
Gotta protect yourself from the hive now 😅
I know I'm not her demographic or target audience but I love Tee's videos. Her way of speaking, the amount of research and her presentation of not just her opinions but FACTS IS TRULY THE GOLDEN STANDARD 👌
I appreciate the relatively greater openness about "work" (from fillers to veneers to boob jobs to bbls. Lipo. Whatever.) and think it's healthier than the secrecy. I'd like to view it all as the body modification choices of consenting adults. Nobody is trying to convince us their tattoos and piercings are just how they were born... but it does get a little hinky when modified aesthetics become pervasive enough to form a standard of beauty that folks feel external ~pressure~ to emulate. So we've still got a bunch of work to do. But just freaking Talking about it is at least a place to start. It would be great if everyone could just come to terms with the fact that there aren't actually ugly-looking people, but I'm pretty sure folks ain't ready for that one yet.😅
This! Talking about modified anesthetics would be a start. Body modifications have become so pervasive that many have been negatively impacted be it mentally, physically or emotionally. People have lost their lives trying to obtain the unattainable. I understand the right to privacy, but let's stop treating it as something shameful.
There's being open about plastic surgery in celebrities. Then there's 25 year olds getting preventative botox. We need to at least get back to a place where 'good enough' is an option.
But I don't get it whether the subject of obsession is surgically modify or natural your body can never be someone else's body. A young woman trying to replicate a BBL look that she thinks is real is manifestly no different than that same young woman trying to replicate a body that naturally looks like a BBL. Either way its not healthy for her to compare herself, and that's the issue. The problem is in the idolization not whether or not what you're idolizing is surgical or not. Some women have natural bodies that are just so genetical rooted that its impossible to get it, even surgery won't be as seamless looking, those women exist. Again it's simply not healthy to compare yourself either way.
Honeslty if we didn't use beauty as an incentive, we'd just find another category (for example: who's a better person, who has more money, or who is more artistically talented, etc) to continue the same dynamics. There will always be a hierarchy, a comparison competition, etc when it comes to homo sapiens honestly. Regardless of that, I think beauty is such a big deal because it's in our biological nature to pay attention to the visuals of the world. Maybe it protected us from predators or helped up pick better fruit, but either way I think it's woven in our DNA and isn't going anywhere for as long as we exist.
Sure but wouldn’t a hierarchy based on communal involvement, and deciding what it means to be ‘good’ be far more beneficial than the wildly dehumanizing standard of beauty?
I dont think those standards of beauty aren’t inherent to our DNA. If it really is a matter of “well reproduction relies on us being physically attractive based on those standards”, why then do the children of those pairings surgically alter themselves? Wouldn’t they have the desirable traits passed from their parents? So maybe it isn’t biological. What, then outside of our biology, is causing those changes?
Myb, typo
*I don’t think those standards of beauty are inherent to our DNA
As a "early bloomer" pale redhead Latina (ethnicity ambo) seeing Tyra, Beyonce, Shakira, Jlo, made me feel more comfortable about my new body. The downside is that I felt/feel fetishism about my background and body shape (the "hot" Latina, mixed cultures = sexually free), I noticed the same with my black girlfriends. It's weird how people switch so fast based on stereotypes (men actually notice me vs. Ignore me, when they notice I'm "exotic")
LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF YOUR PHYSICAL BEAUTY, BECUZ WHEN YOUR OLD AND WRINNKLED, YOU WILL LOOK BACK ON THESE DAYS AND WISH YOU COULD DO IT OVER.......LOVE YOUR BEAUTY!!!
i so heavily feel you when it comes to your opinion of plastic surgery being something you’re still grappling w. my reasoning for disliking plastic surgery is fully based on my values of being anti white supremacy and therefore anti fatphobia and the subsequent beauty standards. i voice only support for those that want it bc im not for controlling others bodily autonomy but it frustrates me so bad that people don’t acknowledge that the changes many people want to make are due to the influences of white supremacy ://
Having those notifications on really does pay off. Another well articulated video. I cannot wait to see what Rihanna's progression is in all of this.
Yay! Thank you!
I personally don’t thin Beyoncé has had a BBL but instead dressed to make it look bigger. Something that stood out to me is that Beyoncé doesn’t seem to really be aging then again we don’t see her up close and personal nor do we see pictures of her that hasn’t been on social media. I know a lot of people are bringing up lil kim but I think nicki was more of a bridge for white culture getting into BBL culture. I think the age of the BBL is getting to the point of having a negative effect on naturally curves people due to large butts becoming something to joke and laugh at again.
@@Flowers-777where’s the bbl thou cos some outfits her Ass looks flat😂 but some outfits it’s a lil big it’s confusing 😂
Honestly I don't think Bey reversed her bbl. Only a certain percentage of fat stays alive after the initial procedure. I think her intention was to have enough fat take hold that it brought her back to her pre baby booty. Especially with her vigorous prep for her tour. You still can't tell me she didn't have a face lift back when she accepted the award with Meg for the Savage remix. She was lifted, SWOLLEN, and tight in the face.
I definitely can see that Beyoncé plays with her face just like everyone else these days… I just thought it was the Botox thing cuz that’s what’s in right now! Wasn’t even thinking she got a face lift 😳 she’s only 42 … allegedly
@@ChristineSanders-id7mx in my opinion, definitely a lift. If you compare photos of her today with photos of her 20 years ago, there is no normal drooping with age, everything is still positioned the same on the face. Aside from her nose of course because she got that done waaaaaaay back.
Something with her face changed! I noticed she was always wearing glasses day and night indoors and outdoors. She def had a facelift which is fine. The only thing that bothers us is she keeps singing “if you wanna see some real ass” and that she’s all natural but she’s been getting lipo since DC days and that booty hasn’t been natural since 2013.
@@ChristineSanders-id7mx But these Celebrities are getting them earlier than they need them!
I noticed something different in Beyoncé already back when she released deja-vu, there is a clear "something" different on her upper lip area around that time. I don't know if it's true or if it's just me but I kinda gaslighted myself into thinking that was probably just my imagination over the yeaars, but if I had to guess I'd say she started there
Beyonce is a master at using ambiguity and the much unsaidness of “beauty” to become a powerful icon. Can you believe there’s people just now during the Renaissance tour with her blonde 45 inch human hair buss down admit she wears wigs!? I’ve always appreciated these artist for the total presentation not because I thought these fantasies were truthful.
Mother.
Cause she's mixed. They want to believe "she's not like other black girls" cause that fiction is tied to their idea of what light skinnedness means.
Are they still questioning her nose jobs?
Yeah and if you were to say it’s a wig you’d be called a hater. Her dr kao eye lift is another one, like don’t people see that? Are they blind? It’s obvious as day but god forbid one would say something online her fans are insane
She's admitted to wearing weaves and wigs tho.