that means software was done by software engineers so it following principle of "reliability and safe firs"t rather then by coders "grow fast and break things"
@@tokarp390 Unlike the designers of the hibernation pods, the exhaust vents, the swimming pool, the overhead robots, the breakfast dispenser, the medical pod, etc. etc. haha
I like to think that when the droid says, "it's not possible for you to be here" that instead of accepting the reality of his senses, he assumes that he's malfunctioning and does a hard reset to clear his memory. I guess this ship has the Walmart version of droids who can't figure out paradoxes.
@@KneelB4Bacon I don't think it's the inability to figure out paradoxes, but rather the utter lack of curiosity to unravel the paradox that makes him truly artificial. A human in his position would have been like "It's not possible for you to be here, yet here you are... WHY?"
Great analysis. But if you realize the nature of reality, technically everyone around you are like Sheenbot. Your crushbot always behaves like a crushbot as long as you choose to simp. Your bullybot always behaves like a bullybot as long you reject a part of you. Your bestpalbot always behaves like you can share anything with him as long as you chose to trust him that way. Your fanbot always behaves like a fanbot as long as you choose to behave like a celebrity. They all exist infinitely in the timeloop and you access those archives based on the role you take for yourself.
When all of your sets are doomed to be the same thing over and over, you find yourself pouring into the small details to make things interesting. The Cube and its sequel, all the same room, some differently colored (the characters, more than the set, carry that one) The Hateful 8, after you ride in, you're pretty much locked into that one little room the entire movie The Lighthouse (I think?), Willem Dafoe and Christian Bale (I think?) are two dudes manning a lighthouse in the middle of nowhere, running out of food and supplies while waiting on the next two to replace them, who are late due to bad weather
WIll say it again. If they started this movie with her waking up and revealed what had happened after the bar tender lets the secret slip, this could have been a good movie.
Or one of the old script versions He instead dies at the end. She slowly goes crazy all alone, before waking up someone else she’s connect with… just like him
@@xxtoptankxx6873 no no he has a point, the movie, plot and actors are good but interstellar travel is very complex, modern astronauts are trained for unimaginable situations bc if something can go wrong it will go wrong, there always should be technicians,maintenance, pilots, scientists, etc, available on a interstellar ship and it's ideal that passengers wake up periodically while others are asleep, but again it's a good movie.
@@Demons972 in 600 years nothing had gone wrong. screenplay had parts mentioning parts of the ship systems were rated for 400 years of use before they had to be replaced.
@@toomanyaccounts Just for the sake of the plot but irl space travel is serious business and machines can't be 100% trusted regardless of their efficiency rate, The Russian rocket Soyuz has a 98% success rate in over 1,500 flights but safety protocols are implemented on each and every flight, once again if something can go wrong it will go wrong.
@@Demons972 when you have ships that are expected to be in flight for decades to centuries without maint then you build them to last and not break. there is no planned break and replace like with modern stuff.
What really gets me is that SheenBot is clearly programmed with the writings of Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome. Chad bartender handing out stoicism 101. Nice.
The perfect ending for this movie would have been that he dies. There's a montage of her living alone (as he had). She doesn't just sympathize now, but now can empathize. The last scene is her standing over a pod of another passenger - faced with same choice that he had. That would have deepened the meaning of the movie and would have engaged the audience to think about not only what they themselves would do, but also how do we make impossible decisions. How, or should, or can we judge the actions of others when faced with extraordinary circumstances ? Would have made it so much more interesting.
I don't get why anyone thinks he was "wrong" in the first place. The ship was obviously failing. You need a workforce of more than one to fix it- and even if only one CAN do it, there is no failsafe; if there is only one person awake, but they die in an accident fixing the ship, there is no one to continue the work and they all die. It's already well established early in the film that he cannot access the crew quarters and cannot wake a crew member. About the only thing he might have done "better" is to research the other passenger's educational and work histories to find the one most qualified to help fix the ship. Assuming he could even access that kind of information.
@@bronco5334 Because JLaw trashed it in her subsequent interviews and maybe people took her word as gospel for it - the analogy was to a date-rape drug I believe. She totally cheapened the movie's philosophical question by doing that.
@@bronco5334 Except he didn't revive her to help repair the ship. He revived her so he wouldn't be lonely. Pratt's character did it for entirely selfish reasons
“It’s not possible for you to be here” Funny. That’s actually something ChatGPT does. When you point out a contradiction, ChatGPT acknowledges it but offers no resolution.
@@kingofthekoopas8857 Yes, it's pretty astonishing. Arthur could be created today (although with far cruder animatronics) with the same speaking capability and it could even use Michael Sheen's voice.
Being a space junkie and having written a few short stories about "stranded in space" in my youth, this film has to be one of the best ever made, just for my taste. It really connects.
Wow! This scene is like the Shining (with Deep Space Nine technology). Both scenes have an eerily similar looking ballroom with full wall bar, both men walk in to a creepy bartender...one named Lloyd, the other, Arthur. Both movies deal with the psychological affects of isolation. Anyone else notice this? Strange, huh? but a respectable nod to Kubrick for sure
Sì esattamente... Anche la divisa del cameriere è identica come l'atmosfera... È il dramma della solitudine che sta spingendo il protagonista alla follia.... 😜
It's possible the bartender doesn't give clearance and that there could be security guards working that give access to the bar. Once you're in the bar you can order whatever you like.
Thought provoking movie. As for the fail-safe hibernation pods, they are fail safe. Jim was ejected from a malfunctioning pod alive and well. Gus was ejected from a pod with multiple failures alive, but not well. Still, if he gotten straight down to medical the auto doc might have been able to save him. The other interesting thing was that the ship's life support system was operational. It could well have been filled with pure nitrogen to prevent corrosion or decay of the organic materials of construction. The food supply could have been off. Water systems drained and inactive. Etc. And yet it's all setup for a person to survive for decades. Did the company know a pod could fail? And why was the crew quarters impregnable? Did they not want a woke up early person endangering the crew they would need at end of the trip?
I would imagine that you'd need a human back up crew to ensure everything goes okay as in Avatar. In fact,in one movie they would wake up other sleepers in shirfts , so as to not age too quickly and not go too stir crazy.
You're absolutely right. From an engineering perspective, the more systems you have running, the more likely it is that something will go wrong, and the more energy you will end up pointlessly using. Realistically, any craft capable of interstellar travel over vast periods of relative time would have to be on a tight energy budget as there exists no means of getting more fuel until they arrive. Even a single LED lightbulb drawing just 5W left on for 90 years would consume roughly 3.9 MWh. That said, every other aspect of this movie is so well-done that I can handwave away such concerns with minimal effort. For example, it could be the case, relative to the plasma shield and continuous burn engines, that the life support and hotel functions impose a relatively negligible cost that is easily accommodated by the fusion reactor. Keeping the ship oxygenated would also be important in the event that crew had to be woken up prematurely to deal with some catastrophe. All of the non-essential functions could also be operating in a low-power standby mode until human activity was detected. (I want to believe this is the case for Arthur's sake as it strikes me as cruel to have a sapient AI, built to give humans company, would be left active and conscious for decades for no reason.)
It's amazing how that series of AWESOME scenes (in, indeed, one of my favorite films of all time) takes place in only a little over 7 minutes! I'd say that is one of the best promo pieces I could imagine for this amazing film. Of course wonderful philosophy as well.
Here is a theory about hypersleep and space travel. It only took 66 years to go from the Wright Brothers flight to landing on the moon. So Imagine being asleep on the Avalon for 100 years but 30 years into your voyage someone on Earth invents hyperspace travel where now you can get to Homestead 2 in 1 year not 100. Well you are on the Avalon and when you get there people have been there long before you.
This is referred to as the Lightspeed Leapfrog trope in sci-fi. My favorite variation on this theme is from the book, Chasm City, where a man takes a slower-than-light ship bound for the most sophisticated human settlement in history only to arrive years after it's been ruined by a nanotech virus. Utterly fascinating read.
Part of the backstory for the Star Kingdom of Manticore in the Honor Harrington books. I don't recall if David Weber ever wrote stories about landing, there are some references though.
There’s an old sci fi short story called Far Centaurus that is exactly this idea. By the time the first travelers get to their destination star after years of hibernation, humans invent warp and have already colonized the whole place. You can read it free online. It was written in the 1940s so it’s probably the first example of this trope.
The game is shit but there is a funny sidequest in starfield. There is an expedition from earth that survived for 200 years in multiple generations. But when they finally arrived they planet was occupied by ignorant rich people who would only let them land for cheap labor.
Well, I suppose in a way. After all, was by himself on that vast spaceship. (Okay,cexcept for that bartended, and eventually, that journalist he woke up).
4:38 Notice the head tilt being straightened out, love it. It's like if I heard a random noise in my home, look at where it came from, then heard it again, and seriously "straighten up" realizing it might be a more serious matter. Subtle "acting move"
The sheer size of rooms onboard look a bit unrealistic when we compare to today's space station interior size, but who knows what we can construct in the future, even anti gravity, as here?
Arthur would be the only one to remember these two people who woke up early after all this time. I wonder what kinds of stories he told about them to the people who woke up at the right time.
When he gets trapped momentarily in one of those pods it made me think back to an old episode of ‘Space 1999’ TV series where an evil scientist gets his way and gets a hibernation pod on an alien ship back to earth, but soon realizes after a nap in the pod that he cannot be put into hibernation because of his human physiology and is trapped and goes insane in the hibernation pod.
Do the pods get their own supply of Oxygen & Heat or does it get filtered through just in case there is a malfunction? I get the idea that the ship is pumping it through because the pods aren’t sealed tight and if there any issues then it won’t immediately kill the passengers. There is the question of how oxygen is being supplied but you could put that down to a recirculation system that’s taking used air and then “recycling” it through plants or scrubbers to get oxygen again. The gravity situation makes sense to keep on for safety reasons because you don’t want anything loose smashing into the pods or any other vital equipment. Also just in case the passengers or crew do awaken suddenly then the ship doesn’t have to switch from 0g to normal gravity before the humans can assist operations of the necessary equipment in an emergency.
*Arthur didn't let the truth about Aurora "slip"!* Looking at Aurora, Jim said to Arthur there weren't any secrets between them. As an android, Arthur takes this verbatim and doesn't know Jim was emotionally caught up in the moment still intending for Aurora to never find out. Jim unknowingly did it to himself.
Chris Pratt is so lucky to act in the same scene as Michael Sheen. The man is a legendary actor! I can only remember him in the twilight films and he was amazing acting as Aro in those films. I can’t imagine another actor playing that role 👍
@@ajf5745 I knew someone would say that. But if this really is further in the future, then why does he not have legs? I've watched some clips of the show and it seems Michael Sheen is the only human like robot? Other robots look like they're from Fallout. If this really is in the future, shouldn't all robots look like humans?
I can't recall the last time I've seen a big budget Hollywood film that told a proper Science-Fiction story like this one. Most films calling themselves Science-Fiction these days are really just adventure stories that happen to be set in the future (not that that's necessarily a bad thing). A true Science-Fiction story is one that has all of the following elements: 1. Some central ethical or moral question that is posed. 2. The fictional technologies shown facilitate, or directly enable, that question to exist - they don't exist simply for aesthetics. 3. The question is thoroughly explored by the protagonist and supporting characters. If there is an antagonist, or foil, for the protagonist, their job is explore the "cons" to the protagonist's "pros". 4. There is enough space in the narrative for the reader/viewer to ask themselves what they would do. The author refrains from sermonizing or clearly indicating what he thinks the 'correct' answer is.
It's odd the crew quarters were so heavily protected. Did they think pirates were going to board or the passengers were going to revolt? Since everything is "failsafe" just seems out of place and unneeded.
@@rascallyrabbit717 I do wonder of the effects of placing a barrel-grade piece of wood into the bottle of whiskey though. Might be an interesting experiment. Fifty bottles, drink one a year.
So I know we have to suspend disbelief to make the movie happen but are you really telling me… * The designers never accounted for the possibility that the pods could fail, even if we assume its nearly impossible * there aren’t spare pods ready to be used in case there’s a technical issue or there need to be extra passengers or something * there is no way to contact the crew in case of emergency * the ship’s automatic systems don’t contact the crew even though it knows something is wrong, you know like the bartender learning he got awoken 90 years early * all of the advanced robots exist solely to entertain guests and not a single one to keep the ship from falling apart * there aren’t any scientists or engineers among the sleeping passengers that could have been woken up instead to fix the problem? There’s so many flaws in the premise that it really hurts the believability of the story. There are ways to rewrite around it
1. The bartender AI says it's impossible. That's the program, nothing to do with the actual pods design, working or fail-safes. 2. There may have been spare pods in the original design, perhaps these were not found or perhaps the ship was simply filled to a higher than originally intended capacity. 3. Should passengers have the ability to force crew members out of hibernation? 4. Looks like the general AI is bugging out. But why would the bartender be able to influence the main system? The bartender is, and should be, a stand-alone limited AI. Hence, the bartender can do nothing and is not designed to do anything. 5. Visible to the character. Clearly something is wrong with the ship, as it does not seem to notice anything is wrong. 6. It is well known that engineers and scientists share a hive-mind and clearly know everything about complex systems that there is to know. Even if you'd find someone that worked on that exact project, good luck trouble-shooting. They might know how to work on the coffee machine, but the chances of anyone having a comprehensive idea of what is going on and how to fix it, is probably in the crew bay.
@@GBXS 1. Fair 2. Sure but we never see this. A line like "all of the spare pods have been filled due to increased demand" could have resolved this. 3. I think in the event of an emergency being able to force crew members out of hibernation is an absolute necessity. Every transportation service be it a subway or cruise ship has a direct way to reach crew. It's strange that you ask this question as if it would be unreasonable. 4. The entire ship is networked. The bartender isn't an individual entity. Just a personality of the ai systems controlling the ship. Everything the bartender knows the ship as a whole knows. 5. That's fair, but there should be some system to check the ship's work. You could have some of the crew rotate in and out of hibernation in small groups for a few years at a time. 6. It's not just a luxury ship. The purpose of the voyage is to colonize a new planet. You would expect someone knowledgeable in a field that could be helpful. Hell, maybe you could wake all the engineers up and put them all to work on fixing the ships.
@@Fredfredbug4 2. True, it does not get addressed. I think it doesn't necessarily need to in the film, though. Humanity keeps making silly mistakes out of hubris, incompetence or short term selfish interests. So personally, a space ship with flaws makes sense to me. 3. Not unreasonable, no. But from the perspective that the ship is basically an infallible, self regulating space ship that would wake the crew itself if necessary, would seem silly to do so. The whole point is that the design and philosophy behind it is faulty. 4. I wouldn't want one comprehensive AI to run everything. Compartmentalization seems wise. Also, having one AI that needs to do all makes it more vulnerable to bugs and glitches. Keeping things as simple as possible seems like the smartest move to me. The bartender is super complicated already. And do you want a simple AI, meant to serve drinks and have conversations, to be able to independently influence the main ship AI. 5. That would indeed be smarter and safer. Yet, again, this goes against the design philosophy of the ship. The idea is that they made a self-sufficient, self-repairing ship. Something they were overconfident in. Seems super human to me. Even if engineers have individual concerns, corporate can just proclaim it as perfect and move on with the project. Only after serious problems will they make adjustments. 6. I don't really have any opinion regarding this one. Might have been a better course of action. Feels like woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Does anyone else see similarities between this movie and The Shining (1980) in this scene? Because, boy, could Sheen make a good Lloyd if there ever was a remake (not that I would see a remake)...
Strange that the crew pod room was so well protected while everyone else's pods were not. And why is there a hibernation operation/repair manual if they are "guaranteed" to never fail?
The issuing of a repair manual can have something to do with insurance perhaps, from the supplier, and is not the crew sleeping on the bridge? So it is actually the bridge that is locked of? Or what?
The ship would be making a return journey so all pods would need to be checked again before return. Plus it's best practice to have a manual for everything as a backup. I work in a shop, our procedures I have to read about include proper cleaning of food preparation areas - I work in the booze section, it's my 31st year there and I've never touched the food preparation area.
This is what happens when your interstellar ship's software is written on C++..., multiple programs and hardware goes out of control, yet the AI tells you: "Nah, it is impossible, everything is fine " ! 😅😂
The ship woke Jim up on purpose. It wasn't a malfunction. The ship was experiencing small glitches and chose the lowest person with just the right amount of mechanical knowledge to fix it, however, Jim didn't realize his purpose until the malfunction spread to other parts of the ship. If Jim had found the hibernation pod before waking up Aurora, he could have fixed the small glitch and placed himself back into hibernation.
A robot bartender is the best idea ever! A robot could get the mix right every time without overpouring or simply guessing at ingredients. They wouldn’t get drunk and comp their friends shots all night. They would be polite and fair and not need multiple cigarette breaks. Never call in sick. They’d always wash their hands. I’m ready for robot bartenders. This scene looks way too much like Kubrick’s bar scene in “The Shining”.
If Jim didn't wake Aurora up everyone on that ship would have died. It was also unfortunate but good that the captain also woke up to give him those codes for the medical care and to help them out. They were heroes. There is no way he would be able to fix the malfunctions of the spacecraft on his own. They really needed each other in many ways. It shows that human interaction is so important. We need each other. The sheen robot is great 😃 He added a lot to the movie. They lived a pretty nice life in a luxury place, friendly robot, bar, restaurants, pool, and entertainment provided for their entire life. They just needed to share that life with someone. ❤😊
The idea they wouldn’t have shifts of people to wake up for a few months at a time just to monitor the ship and check for malfunctions is such bull shit. So many things could happen and everyone would be lost.
For a company that made 8 quadrillion dollars on their last world, and the arrogance of that said company, they just saved money, placed everybody in hibernation and trusted the ship to work perfectly. I mean, its just a ship traveling through the void of space. and judging by the universe it is based in, nothing had ever happened to any other star-ship, so why change the status-qhoue... Until now, this will be a wake up call for the company...!! Remember, it a company, a business that created the ship and colonizing the world, and we all know what companies are like!!!..
@@toomanyaccounts Yes. You are correct. If intentional the ship's computer would have woken a crew member. Who most likely could go back into hibernation.
@@maxwellcrazycat9204 nope no hibernation. it requires medical staff and equipment not onboard the ship but at the start. the pods are moved on and off the ship with the passengers in them according to the screenplay.
Even in a distant future where there is abundance and absolutely no reason to discriminate based on passenger classes, we still manage to do it. We cannot dare to imagine living without our class differences.
Yep, the eternal Socialist/Communist fantasy dreamt of by people with mediocre intelligence and, once implemented, results in everyone being miserable and lower class. Let me guess, you're 16?
@@barrygoldwater2441 The fact that you felt the need to insult tells me a lot about your intelligence. Rousseau, Fourier, Thomas More, Engels, Marx, Sartre, Camus, Orwell, Keynes, Bertrand Russell, Einstein, Stephen Hawking and many others. So this is your list of people with mediocre intelligence... You are clueless and need to educate yourself.
Hierarchy is needed, and inherent in society, not everyone is equal, although it feels good to say it, and for alot of people, feeling good is more important than logic.
Michael Sheen is a phenomenally underrated actor
He's a great actor but I've never heard him being underrated
you must know that he's not underrated
I really thought it was Simon pegg and know I feel really stupid
True but he us a lefty woke tosser
@@davidtomlinson6138 you have your beliefs and he has his then. No need to get your panties in a twist about it.
I love that Sheenbot is given a logic bomb but when confronted with it just basically shrugs and goes “eh, none of my business.”
that means software was done by software engineers so it following principle of "reliability and safe firs"t rather then by coders "grow fast and break things"
@@tokarp390 Unlike the designers of the hibernation pods, the exhaust vents, the swimming pool, the overhead robots, the breakfast dispenser, the medical pod, etc. etc. haha
Good ol Paradox-absorbing Crumple zones.
@@mrsmartypants9136 all of which would have worked if not for a massive rock
It's like a leftist when shown that the most likely origin of COVID was a lab leak.
I love the stare and the little glitch as the code in his android brain throws an exception that most likely gets caught and promptly ignored.
I like to think that when the droid says, "it's not possible for you to be here" that instead of accepting the reality of his senses, he assumes that he's malfunctioning and does a hard reset to clear his memory. I guess this ship has the Walmart version of droids who can't figure out paradoxes.
Pretty common in humans, too, I've noticed. 😀
@@KneelB4Bacon I don't think it's the inability to figure out paradoxes, but rather the utter lack of curiosity to unravel the paradox that makes him truly artificial. A human in his position would have been like "It's not possible for you to be here, yet here you are... WHY?"
@@wjpshaw Especially when it comes to religion.
I like how the Sheenbot gives incredibly general advice that could be given to anyone, showing that its AI isn’t actually that deep.
Like any good bartender that doesn't want to actually learn everything about everyone they serve.
Sheenbot lol
Great analysis. But if you realize the nature of reality, technically everyone around you are like Sheenbot. Your crushbot always behaves like a crushbot as long as you choose to simp. Your bullybot always behaves like a bullybot as long you reject a part of you. Your bestpalbot always behaves like you can share anything with him as long as you chose to trust him that way. Your fanbot always behaves like a fanbot as long as you choose to behave like a celebrity. They all exist infinitely in the timeloop and you access those archives based on the role you take for yourself.
@@harikrishnanchandramohan4209 well said
that's logical , he is not a psychatrist , just a mechanical bartender who do his job and try to give some morals
I like the detail at 4:11 showing removed panels and scorch marks on the walls showing that he did try to find a way around the door, not just through
You must have graduated 2nd grade non verbal storytelling
@@boogietunt6862 I did! it's a shame you got held back
@@rebootxd6012 hehehe idot
@@rebootxd6012 it's a shame you got held back too.
When all of your sets are doomed to be the same thing over and over, you find yourself pouring into the small details to make things interesting.
The Cube and its sequel, all the same room, some differently colored (the characters, more than the set, carry that one)
The Hateful 8, after you ride in, you're pretty much locked into that one little room the entire movie
The Lighthouse (I think?), Willem Dafoe and Christian Bale (I think?) are two dudes manning a lighthouse in the middle of nowhere, running out of food and supplies while waiting on the next two to replace them, who are late due to bad weather
I love the homage/framing to The Shining's hotel bar scene.
it's really a remake. only instead of a hotel, it's a spaceship.
WIll say it again. If they started this movie with her waking up and revealed what had happened after the bar tender lets the secret slip, this could have been a good movie.
it's not a bad movie in its current state
Yes, someone did a YT essay about re-cutting it that way.
Or one of the old script versions
He instead dies at the end. She slowly goes crazy all alone, before waking up someone else she’s connect with… just like him
That sentence reads like it was written by AI.
@@ikichullo lol seriously. This comment could have been good if it weren’t completely illegible nonsensical babble.
Pratt is lucky getting to share a scene with a Legend like Sheen, damn.
Sheen is lucky actual movie stars exist to make movies around that he can have small parts in, when he's not kissing other men, damn.
@@hansolo631men kissing other men are the most precious thing in the world.
@@hansolo631it's called acting darling. Incidentally he's straight. Sounds like you're the problem.
@@mariad.s.6760it’s disgusting, stop supporting such gross behavior
@@mariad.s.6760nah
4:25 You'd think a ship experiencing this many malfunctions would have a procedure for waking up crew members to deal with it.
It’s impossible. Didn’t you hear the bartender
@@xxtoptankxx6873 no no he has a point, the movie, plot and actors are good but interstellar travel is very complex, modern astronauts are trained for unimaginable situations bc if something can go wrong it will go wrong, there always should be technicians,maintenance, pilots, scientists, etc, available on a interstellar ship and it's ideal that passengers wake up periodically while others are asleep, but again it's a good movie.
@@Demons972 in 600 years nothing had gone wrong. screenplay had parts mentioning parts of the ship systems were rated for 400 years of use before they had to be replaced.
@@toomanyaccounts Just for the sake of the plot but irl space travel is serious business and machines can't be 100% trusted regardless of their efficiency rate, The Russian rocket Soyuz has a 98% success rate in over 1,500 flights but safety protocols are implemented on each and every flight, once again if something can go wrong it will go wrong.
@@Demons972 when you have ships that are expected to be in flight for decades to centuries without maint then you build them to last and not break. there is no planned break and replace like with modern stuff.
We can all use a Michael sheen robot in our lives it seems
Yep. We are all stranded in our own seperate ships floating in space.
Don't tell me what I can use.
android, technically
The Shining Bar scene reference
YES 😭😭
Can't believe how much younger Sheen looks here :)
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What really gets me is that SheenBot is clearly programmed with the writings of Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome. Chad bartender handing out stoicism 101. Nice.
Sheenbot sounds like your typical HR handbook
@Marvin-dg8vj so does Marcus Aurelius
Anyone else getting "The Shining" vibes from this scene?
Getting Shining vibes in this is like getting Goodfellas vibes in The Sopranos.
The cinematography in this scene really seems borrowed from the shinning, an hommage I suppose.
futuristic Shining , with the barternder with red costume, the bright bar etc
That’s what so thought it was, another terrible re boot!!
It's the style the bar is in. The 1920s and 30s Art Deco style, much like the bar and ballroom in the hotel in the Shining.
The perfect ending for this movie would have been that he dies. There's a montage of her living alone (as he had). She doesn't just sympathize now, but now can empathize. The last scene is her standing over a pod of another passenger - faced with same choice that he had.
That would have deepened the meaning of the movie and would have engaged the audience to think about not only what they themselves would do, but also how do we make impossible decisions. How, or should, or can we judge the actions of others when faced with extraordinary circumstances ? Would have made it so much more interesting.
No need for him to die. When she begins do drown she understands what he went through.
I don't get why anyone thinks he was "wrong" in the first place. The ship was obviously failing. You need a workforce of more than one to fix it- and even if only one CAN do it, there is no failsafe; if there is only one person awake, but they die in an accident fixing the ship, there is no one to continue the work and they all die. It's already well established early in the film that he cannot access the crew quarters and cannot wake a crew member. About the only thing he might have done "better" is to research the other passenger's educational and work histories to find the one most qualified to help fix the ship. Assuming he could even access that kind of information.
@@bronco5334 Because JLaw trashed it in her subsequent interviews and maybe people took her word as gospel for it - the analogy was to a date-rape drug I believe. She totally cheapened the movie's philosophical question by doing that.
@@bronco5334 Except he didn't revive her to help repair the ship. He revived her so he wouldn't be lonely. Pratt's character did it for entirely selfish reasons
You just did. Nobody would want to see your "reflective" movie..
“It’s not possible for you to be here”
Funny. That’s actually something ChatGPT does. When you point out a contradiction, ChatGPT acknowledges it but offers no resolution.
Honestly didn’t think we’d have Arthur level AI but it’s already here.
@@kingofthekoopas8857 Yes, it's pretty astonishing. Arthur could be created today (although with far cruder animatronics) with the same speaking capability and it could even use Michael Sheen's voice.
A Mechanical Engineer can't even get a gold meal but a Journalist can 😅😅
hahaha exactly lolll
She works for CNN and helps the populace from thinking too much for themselves...more valuable...
@@charzanboo9940 worthless job when you get on a new planet, who tf going to read their shit when this mechanical engineer is busy building shit? Lmao
I think he is just a passenger who happened to be a mechanical engineer, he didn’t work for the ship
Shows their priorities sadly lol
I've never seen this movie but the inspiriration for the bar is clearly from the shining
Yup!
Fun fact the script was originally supposed to be a horror movie but they casted Chris Pratt and rewrote it as a sci Fi romance
Yeah and the fact it's in space means that Kubrick faked the moon landing
sees like an homage rather than rip off
@Menaceblue3 Interesting little connecting the dots, there. I like it 👌
Being a space junkie and having written a few short stories about "stranded in space" in my youth, this film has to be one of the best ever made, just for my taste. It really connects.
I watched it for the third time yesterday and was again surprised at how much I enjoyed it. It's also a damn sight smarter than many give it credit.
What do you think of the reordering the scenes theory?x
@@niiii_niiii Do you mean Aurora waking up first and later we find out Jim woke her and later why he did so?
@@FenrirWolfganger yes! What do you think ?
Yes
People diss this movie, but I really loved it.
This would be like my personal heaven. I really don’t think I would feel lonely for at least a few years
Michael Sheen is the best actor in this movie
Wow! This scene is like the Shining (with Deep Space Nine technology). Both scenes have an eerily similar looking ballroom with full wall bar, both men walk in to a creepy bartender...one named Lloyd, the other, Arthur. Both movies deal with the psychological affects of isolation. Anyone else notice this? Strange, huh? but a respectable nod to Kubrick for sure
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who got Shining vibes from the set and bartender.
I was thinking the same thing, lol.
@@dylanmesser3957 His demeanour, his coat. So charming. Like the Devil would probably be.
I thought I was watching a modern version of the shining!
Sì esattamente... Anche la divisa del cameriere è identica come l'atmosfera... È il dramma della solitudine che sta spingendo il protagonista alla follia.... 😜
How does he get given branded whiskey as part of his passenger level, but cant get a fancy coffee?
It's possible the bartender doesn't give clearance and that there could be security guards working that give access to the bar. Once you're in the bar you can order whatever you like.
It's only synthehol... commoners don't get the real thing.
Bar doesn't require a passenger ID scan. It's probably part of the standard. Everybody can have any drink.
How we know it's the good stuff we never get a chance to tasted.. 🥃
Actually, he looks like a microbrew guy. Not a whiskey guy.
All the different ideas people have here in the comments are great. The different endings and outcomes and the director engaging the viewer are great.
Thought provoking movie.
As for the fail-safe hibernation pods, they are fail safe. Jim was ejected from a malfunctioning pod alive and well. Gus was ejected from a pod with multiple failures alive, but not well. Still, if he gotten straight down to medical the auto doc might have been able to save him.
The other interesting thing was that the ship's life support system was operational. It could well have been filled with pure nitrogen to prevent corrosion or decay of the organic materials of construction. The food supply could have been off. Water systems drained and inactive. Etc.
And yet it's all setup for a person to survive for decades. Did the company know a pod could fail? And why was the crew quarters impregnable? Did they not want a woke up early person endangering the crew they would need at end of the trip?
Always Has Been.
I would imagine that you'd need a human back up crew to ensure everything goes okay as in Avatar. In fact,in one movie they would wake up other sleepers in shirfts , so as to not age too quickly and not go too stir crazy.
You're absolutely right. From an engineering perspective, the more systems you have running, the more likely it is that something will go wrong, and the more energy you will end up pointlessly using. Realistically, any craft capable of interstellar travel over vast periods of relative time would have to be on a tight energy budget as there exists no means of getting more fuel until they arrive. Even a single LED lightbulb drawing just 5W left on for 90 years would consume roughly 3.9 MWh.
That said, every other aspect of this movie is so well-done that I can handwave away such concerns with minimal effort. For example, it could be the case, relative to the plasma shield and continuous burn engines, that the life support and hotel functions impose a relatively negligible cost that is easily accommodated by the fusion reactor. Keeping the ship oxygenated would also be important in the event that crew had to be woken up prematurely to deal with some catastrophe. All of the non-essential functions could also be operating in a low-power standby mode until human activity was detected. (I want to believe this is the case for Arthur's sake as it strikes me as cruel to have a sapient AI, built to give humans company, would be left active and conscious for decades for no reason.)
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The movie is badly written.
Nothing in this is logical
@@cringekiller348 science FICTION.
I love that he glitched out a bit when the logic just doesn't add up inside his program.
He hasn’t been programmed with a solution so he basically does a reset to not get stuck in a loop.
He “forgets” the problem 😅
“But you’ve ALWAYS been here, sir…”
"Your money's no good here Mr. Torrence...orders from the House" - Lloyd the bartender, grinning sinisterly
It's amazing how that series of AWESOME scenes (in, indeed, one of my favorite films of all time) takes place in only a little over 7 minutes! I'd say that is one of the best promo pieces I could imagine for this amazing film. Of course wonderful philosophy as well.
Here is a theory about hypersleep and space travel. It only took 66 years to go from the Wright Brothers flight to landing on the moon. So Imagine being asleep on the Avalon for 100 years but 30 years into your voyage someone on Earth invents hyperspace travel where now you can get to Homestead 2 in 1 year not 100. Well you are on the Avalon and when you get there people have been there long before you.
This is referred to as the Lightspeed Leapfrog trope in sci-fi. My favorite variation on this theme is from the book, Chasm City, where a man takes a slower-than-light ship bound for the most sophisticated human settlement in history only to arrive years after it's been ruined by a nanotech virus. Utterly fascinating read.
@@davezad I will have to check it out, thanks for the reference.
Part of the backstory for the Star Kingdom of Manticore in the Honor Harrington books. I don't recall if David Weber ever wrote stories about landing, there are some references though.
There’s an old sci fi short story called Far Centaurus that is exactly this idea. By the time the first travelers get to their destination star after years of hibernation, humans invent warp and have already colonized the whole place. You can read it free online. It was written in the 1940s so it’s probably the first example of this trope.
The game is shit but there is a funny sidequest in starfield. There is an expedition from earth that survived for 200 years in multiple generations. But when they finally arrived they planet was occupied by ignorant rich people who would only let them land for cheap labor.
Your entire life might be over at this point, but hey, at least it’s an open bar!
You can have any alcoholic drink you like, but coffee is more restricted. Curious....
@@PGHEngineer Vodka in coffee it is then...
This looks like a scene from "The Shining".
I believe that was the idea
Well, I suppose in a way. After all, was by himself on that vast spaceship. (Okay,cexcept for that bartended, and eventually, that journalist he woke up).
"Jim, these are not robot questions."
He only passes the butter.
It would have been amusing if his question broke poor Arthur and Jim had to work on rebooting him
Nah, bartenders have to be ready for all sorts of weird stuff from the general idiot public.
Like poor Herbie from I, Robot (the book) when intentionally confronted with a paradox !
"You have had many, Señor." "Yup. And I'm gonna have many more, so keep 'em comin'."
I saw the “spit some bartender wisdom” scene before, but i never knew he was a robot
So you need to order some random coffee icon to see the name of the drink and understand what you just ordered? Sounds convenient!
I call it Space Coffee Roulette!
This has a The Shinning feel to it.
4:38 Notice the head tilt being straightened out, love it. It's like if I heard a random noise in my home, look at where it came from, then heard it again, and seriously "straighten up" realizing it might be a more serious matter. Subtle "acting move"
Set design in this movie is fantastic.
The sheer size of rooms onboard look a bit unrealistic when we compare to today's space station interior size, but who knows what we can construct in the future, even anti gravity, as here?
Arthur would be the only one to remember these two people who woke up early after all this time. I wonder what kinds of stories he told about them to the people who woke up at the right time.
if you read the original screenplay you would know things
When he gets trapped momentarily in one of those pods it made me think back to an old episode of ‘Space 1999’ TV series where an evil scientist gets his way and gets a hibernation pod on an alien ship back to earth, but soon realizes after a nap in the pod that he cannot be put into hibernation because of his human physiology and is trapped and goes insane in the hibernation pod.
He's lucky that the whole ship is producing oxygen and gravity, just for him.
The ship thinks everyone woke up. Though it is a little contrived.
Do the pods get their own supply of Oxygen & Heat or does it get filtered through just in case there is a malfunction?
I get the idea that the ship is pumping it through because the pods aren’t sealed tight and if there any issues then it won’t immediately kill the passengers.
There is the question of how oxygen is being supplied but you could put that down to a recirculation system that’s taking used air and then “recycling” it through plants or scrubbers to get oxygen again.
The gravity situation makes sense to keep on for safety reasons because you don’t want anything loose smashing into the pods or any other vital equipment. Also just in case the passengers or crew do awaken suddenly then the ship doesn’t have to switch from 0g to normal gravity before the humans can assist operations of the necessary equipment in an emergency.
I LOVE the soundtrack to this film.
*Arthur didn't let the truth about Aurora "slip"!* Looking at Aurora, Jim said to Arthur there weren't any secrets between them. As an android, Arthur takes this verbatim and doesn't know Jim was emotionally caught up in the moment still intending for Aurora to never find out. Jim unknowingly did it to himself.
It's incredible that an AI like this character is now completely possible.
Are you talking about the Elon Musk Tesla Bot?
@caitlyncarvalho7637 not you. That comment was for the main comment or
@caitlyncarvalho7637 no I’m not familiar with it
Really creative writing here. I'm just amazed at the set as well. It's just so, original.
When the Bartender moves it sounds like the Dominos pizza tracker....
Chris Pratt is so lucky to act in the same scene as Michael Sheen. The man is a legendary actor! I can only remember him in the twilight films and he was amazing acting as Aro in those films. I can’t imagine another actor playing that role 👍
Not the best movie but Michael Sheen was fantastic
He's a robot with too many facial expressions. Detroit Become Human is way better at representing human like robots.
@@FutaCatto2 You're forgetting that this movie is set quite a bit further in the future.
@@ajf5745 I knew someone would say that. But if this really is further in the future, then why does he not have legs? I've watched some clips of the show and it seems Michael Sheen is the only human like robot? Other robots look like they're from Fallout. If this really is in the future, shouldn't all robots look like humans?
@@FutaCatto2 Probably to save cost to be honest. And adding legs would slow down its movement.
3:54 "Tesla Cybertruck" vibes :-)
6:03 I really enjoyed this part of the film.
Sheen is an amazingly underrated actor. Proof? Watch "the music within"
Arthur was the best part of the entire movie.
Michael Sheen is really underrated as an actor 👏 🙌
I can't recall the last time I've seen a big budget Hollywood film that told a proper Science-Fiction story like this one. Most films calling themselves Science-Fiction these days are really just adventure stories that happen to be set in the future (not that that's necessarily a bad thing).
A true Science-Fiction story is one that has all of the following elements:
1. Some central ethical or moral question that is posed.
2. The fictional technologies shown facilitate, or directly enable, that question to exist - they don't exist simply for aesthetics.
3. The question is thoroughly explored by the protagonist and supporting characters. If there is an antagonist, or foil, for the protagonist, their job is explore the "cons" to the protagonist's "pros".
4. There is enough space in the narrative for the reader/viewer to ask themselves what they would do. The author refrains from sermonizing or clearly indicating what he thinks the 'correct' answer is.
I like this, thanks for the pointers, I might copy it for future reference... Thanks.
Brilliant pointers, and shows exactly how different parts of the movie work. Thanks for posting that, wish I could like it more than once.
The old Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, and some Night Gallery series usually fit the criteria of excellent sci-fi.
How have I not heard of this movie? I must check it out!
Love the film !! Underrated !!
I beg your pardon Mr. Torrence, but YOU are the caretaker...
Uh, it wasn't Lloyd the bartender that said that, it was Grady, the waiter as he was wiping something off Jack's coat in the restroom
Great movie, and great bartender.
Dude!!! This would be so scary; all alone with no one except Sheen-bot, haha. (I like how they show him problem-solving, though.)
He can get a whisky at the bar but only the basic coffee. Man set his priorities when ordering xD.
It's odd the crew quarters were so heavily protected. Did they think pirates were going to board or the passengers were going to revolt? Since everything is "failsafe" just seems out of place and unneeded.
“Arigato gozaimasu!~” I love that part for some reason, lol
Why do you need to wake somebody up, if you have Michael Sheen ❤😅. God, every phrase he's telling is a perfection. Amazing actor ❤
Because at the end of the day he doesn't have feelings... Or at least he doesn't seem to have real ones.
1:35 glitch in the matrix. Whoa, deja vu.
Loved this film
I LOVE THIS PART 5:14
All those whiskeys and wines will be hell of a lot better in 90 year's, or so...
Or vinegar, one of the two.
Whisky is aged in a barrel not a glass bottle.
They stop aging after they have been bottled.
@@rascallyrabbit717 I do wonder of the effects of placing a barrel-grade piece of wood into the bottle of whiskey though. Might be an interesting experiment. Fifty bottles, drink one a year.
@@jaroldscottwilliams.3rd832 the wood would absorb into the whiskey and it would stop aging.
5:33 Best Advice Ever I Swear To Fn GOD 🙌
Oh yeah, I remember this from the shining flashback in altered carbon.
Michael Sheen cleans up well.
The Cullens did too much damage to the Volturi. He just decided to become a bartender
The deco in that bar is amazing!
That was a fantastic movie. Loved it!
he cannt have a pumpkin cafe, but he can dring the bar - good 😂
Underrated movie!
Chris Pratt has a personality that is instantly likeable.
So I know we have to suspend disbelief to make the movie happen but are you really telling me…
* The designers never accounted for the possibility that the pods could fail, even if we assume its nearly impossible
* there aren’t spare pods ready to be used in case there’s a technical issue or there need to be extra passengers or something
* there is no way to contact the crew in case of emergency
* the ship’s automatic systems don’t contact the crew even though it knows something is wrong, you know like the bartender learning he got awoken 90 years early
* all of the advanced robots exist solely to entertain guests and not a single one to keep the ship from falling apart
* there aren’t any scientists or engineers among the sleeping passengers that could have been woken up instead to fix the problem?
There’s so many flaws in the premise that it really hurts the believability of the story. There are ways to rewrite around it
1. The bartender AI says it's impossible. That's the program, nothing to do with the actual pods design, working or fail-safes.
2. There may have been spare pods in the original design, perhaps these were not found or perhaps the ship was simply filled to a higher than originally intended capacity.
3. Should passengers have the ability to force crew members out of hibernation?
4. Looks like the general AI is bugging out. But why would the bartender be able to influence the main system? The bartender is, and should be, a stand-alone limited AI. Hence, the bartender can do nothing and is not designed to do anything.
5. Visible to the character. Clearly something is wrong with the ship, as it does not seem to notice anything is wrong.
6. It is well known that engineers and scientists share a hive-mind and clearly know everything about complex systems that there is to know. Even if you'd find someone that worked on that exact project, good luck trouble-shooting. They might know how to work on the coffee machine, but the chances of anyone having a comprehensive idea of what is going on and how to fix it, is probably in the crew bay.
@@GBXS
1. Fair
2. Sure but we never see this. A line like "all of the spare pods have been filled due to increased demand" could have resolved this.
3. I think in the event of an emergency being able to force crew members out of hibernation is an absolute necessity. Every transportation service be it a subway or cruise ship has a direct way to reach crew. It's strange that you ask this question as if it would be unreasonable.
4. The entire ship is networked. The bartender isn't an individual entity. Just a personality of the ai systems controlling the ship. Everything the bartender knows the ship as a whole knows.
5. That's fair, but there should be some system to check the ship's work. You could have some of the crew rotate in and out of hibernation in small groups for a few years at a time.
6. It's not just a luxury ship. The purpose of the voyage is to colonize a new planet. You would expect someone knowledgeable in a field that could be helpful. Hell, maybe you could wake all the engineers up and put them all to work on fixing the ships.
@@Fredfredbug4
2. True, it does not get addressed. I think it doesn't necessarily need to in the film, though. Humanity keeps making silly mistakes out of hubris, incompetence or short term selfish interests. So personally, a space ship with flaws makes sense to me.
3. Not unreasonable, no. But from the perspective that the ship is basically an infallible, self regulating space ship that would wake the crew itself if necessary, would seem silly to do so. The whole point is that the design and philosophy behind it is faulty.
4. I wouldn't want one comprehensive AI to run everything. Compartmentalization seems wise. Also, having one AI that needs to do all makes it more vulnerable to bugs and glitches. Keeping things as simple as possible seems like the smartest move to me. The bartender is super complicated already. And do you want a simple AI, meant to serve drinks and have conversations, to be able to independently influence the main ship AI.
5. That would indeed be smarter and safer. Yet, again, this goes against the design philosophy of the ship. The idea is that they made a self-sufficient, self-repairing ship. Something they were overconfident in. Seems super human to me. Even if engineers have individual concerns, corporate can just proclaim it as perfect and move on with the project. Only after serious problems will they make adjustments.
6. I don't really have any opinion regarding this one. Might have been a better course of action. Feels like woulda, coulda, shoulda.
i would like to be a party to this comment thread
No One had any doubts that the Titanic was unsinkable either. Whatever the technology level, people make mistakes.
i'm getting some 'the shining' vibes from this
Does anyone else see similarities between this movie and The Shining (1980) in this scene? Because, boy, could Sheen make a good Lloyd if there ever was a remake (not that I would see a remake)...
He will always be Wesley Snipes to me. ❤
I laughed at a man for wearing no trousers, until I realised that I'm a man who has no legs.
Irony at it's finest.
I was thinking this was Simon Pegg the whole movie. That's crazy
Strange that the crew pod room was so well protected while everyone else's pods were not. And why is there a hibernation operation/repair manual if they are "guaranteed" to never fail?
The issuing of a repair manual can have something to do with insurance perhaps, from the supplier, and is not the crew sleeping on the bridge? So it is actually the bridge that is locked of? Or what?
The ship would be making a return journey so all pods would need to be checked again before return. Plus it's best practice to have a manual for everything as a backup. I work in a shop, our procedures I have to read about include proper cleaning of food preparation areas - I work in the booze section, it's my 31st year there and I've never touched the food preparation area.
This is what happens when your interstellar ship's software is written on C++..., multiple programs and hardware goes out of control, yet the AI tells you: "Nah, it is impossible, everything is fine " ! 😅😂
The ship woke Jim up on purpose. It wasn't a malfunction. The ship was experiencing small glitches and chose the lowest person with just the right amount of mechanical knowledge to fix it, however, Jim didn't realize his purpose until the malfunction spread to other parts of the ship. If Jim had found the hibernation pod before waking up Aurora, he could have fixed the small glitch and placed himself back into hibernation.
He looks and sounds so much like Simon Pegg, I felt like I was having an uncanny valley moment
A robot bartender is the best idea ever! A robot could get the mix right every time without overpouring or simply guessing at ingredients. They wouldn’t get drunk and comp their friends shots all night. They would be polite and fair and not need multiple cigarette breaks. Never call in sick. They’d always wash their hands. I’m ready for robot bartenders.
This scene looks way too much like Kubrick’s bar scene in “The Shining”.
You either spend too much time in bars or you own a not very good one
I go to a bar to get away from the robots in my life.
@sharpdressedcat230 Bacteria lives on other things no excluding flesh and blood. Find it on metals, cloth, other materials
you sound like you have the mental logic of a business owner. I imagine you're basically as scummy as a landlord. Please let me be wrong.
If Jim didn't wake Aurora up everyone on that ship would have died. It was also unfortunate but good that the captain also woke up to give him those codes for the medical care and to help them out. They were heroes. There is no way he would be able to fix the malfunctions of the spacecraft on his own. They really needed each other in many ways. It shows that human interaction is so important. We need each other. The sheen robot is great 😃 He added a lot to the movie. They lived a pretty nice life in a luxury place, friendly robot, bar, restaurants, pool, and entertainment provided for their entire life. They just needed to share that life with someone. ❤😊
The idea they wouldn’t have shifts of people to wake up for a few months at a time just to monitor the ship and check for malfunctions is such bull shit. So many things could happen and everyone would be lost.
But then there wouldn't be a movie.
For a company that made 8 quadrillion dollars on their last world, and the arrogance of that said company, they just saved money, placed everybody in hibernation and trusted the ship to work perfectly. I mean, its just a ship traveling through the void of space. and judging by the universe it is based in, nothing had ever happened to any other star-ship, so why change the status-qhoue... Until now, this will be a wake up call for the company...!! Remember, it a company, a business that created the ship and colonizing the world, and we all know what companies are like!!!..
Jim got woken up because the needs of the many out weighed the needs of the few or the one. He's an engineer and can fix the ships problems.
his waking up was random. to actually fix the ship one needed to access the bridge and the diagnostic computer. something Jim couldn't do
@@toomanyaccounts Yes. You are correct. If intentional the ship's computer would have woken a crew member. Who most likely could go back into hibernation.
@@maxwellcrazycat9204 nope no hibernation. it requires medical staff and equipment not onboard the ship but at the start. the pods are moved on and off the ship with the passengers in them according to the screenplay.
Best character in the movie.
Exactly. But is there any point being human?
Guess that tells me what I need to know about whether it's worth seeing or not.
Just keep pressing 5 to hearing the Chris Pratt headbanging beat.
you're a funny guy! I made him lose it being stuck inside there!
Love this movie
That is actually a pretty good movie.
Only programmers would be able to survive this
I just keep imagining a robot cop that shows up when he breaks into the rooms lol 😅
Say whatever you want about this movie, but Michael Sheen was perfect casting.
Even in a distant future where there is abundance and absolutely no reason to discriminate based on passenger classes, we still manage to do it. We cannot dare to imagine living without our class differences.
Yep, the eternal Socialist/Communist fantasy dreamt of by people with mediocre intelligence and, once implemented, results in everyone being miserable and lower class. Let me guess, you're 16?
@@barrygoldwater2441 The fact that you felt the need to insult tells me a lot about your intelligence. Rousseau, Fourier, Thomas More, Engels, Marx, Sartre, Camus, Orwell, Keynes, Bertrand Russell, Einstein, Stephen Hawking and many others. So this is your list of people with mediocre intelligence... You are clueless and need to educate yourself.
If Jim was a Black guy, he probably would only be able to press tap water.
Some believe the point of being rich is to be richer than someone else. They would actually be unhappy if we all had everything we need.
Hierarchy is needed, and inherent in society, not everyone is equal, although it feels good to say it, and for alot of people, feeling good is more important than logic.
I loved this movie