well, the contract should have incentive. In other words, right now, our tax law incentivizes divorce. It should be the other way around. Our tax laws should always show a clear benefit to staying married. How big is the marriage penalty according to a quick Wikipedia search? Marriage penalties can be as high as 12 percent of a couple's income.
Marriage ends in divorce half the time with women doing the family breaking 3/4 of the time, with an automatic golden parachute, proportionally much more generous than any CEO ever gets (they don’t ever leave with half the business). It’s not men leaving this institution, but they sure are increasingly noticing what women are actually doing with it. No tax break is going to fix that.
@@NerdlySquaredduring the US divorce maximum in the 1980s, “half of all marriages end in divorce” was both very true and horribly misleading. Most people didn’t get divorced at all, a smaller group got one divorce, and even smaller fraction 2, smaller yet 3, and the smallest group 4 or more. And it was this smallest category that skewed the stats.
My father told me he would never walk me down the aisle if I were either pregnant or had a child outside of marriage. He was a very strict parent for which I am now extremely grateful. Although I came quite close to loathing him as a teenager.
In other words you would never have done the sensible thing if your father wasn't strict. Dads can be a lot softer if they want to be you know, if kindness is in their nature.
@@therespectedlex9794 Thank you. Now that I'm older and a parent myself I understand, and respect more the hard work and kindness that goes into raising children.
@@patriciachadwick5658 There is the hard work, yeah. But parenting and having a job are things people just end up doing. Or they want to do it a bit too much, because they need too much support, for wrongdoing, and possibly need a scapegoat in the family.
Orwell's Housecat You can try a prenup. Or you can establish yourself before you enter into marriage. As well, petition your government for a change to drop the divorce punishment of men.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Applied to relationships: If you make it easier to get divorced you will make it harder to get married.
Not so, it will make divorce harder... Which is the answer, no fault divorce was a huge part of the problem as is the Matriarchy and it's men having no legal rights. The left were warned about this when pushong these reforms decades back, it's not as if they are clueless to what the problem is. It's clear that liberal thinking is a cancer to society
If you make it harder to get a divorce, you'll get fewer marriages. I don't know why you people don't see this. You sound like the CCP and the one child policy. You refuse to see the consequences of your policies.
That's why progressive types have no idea what they are even complaining about. Most of them don't even know history and are therefore ungrateful for things they have today. Instead of learning history and appreciating things, they would rather destroy everything only to realize they have it better before.
Feminism: it was brought in by elite women in the upper classes, to give them more power, to allow them to access education and the modern economy. Sounds good. But most women who do well in life, are from the upper classes. So opening the world of work and money for women, it mostly benefitted the upper class women. This strengthened the economics of the upper classes in advanced countries. How? Most women in university are from the upper classes, getting trained to take their place at the top of the economic pyramid, making a lot of money. The upper class women get married at university, get well paid careers, then bring in lots of household money, so it's not just the upper class husband bringing in lots of household money. That's why you have a pattern of marriage has continued to be strong in the upper classes...money. Feminism was a roaring financial success for women in the upper classes, like Louise. Bright women from well off families got careers, two professional family incomes. So upper class women really cleaned up, with feminism. ✅ But...but...an unforeseen problem that arose was feminism also decimated the lower class women, while benefitting rich women. How? Lower class women get less education, less opportunity, have less family backing them up in life. They must work hard to get ahead. The bottom 80% of women, who now often outcompete men their own age, focus mostly on career over family now, wealth is heavily concentrated in the top 20%, so men in the bottom 80% have little to offer women, in marriage. The women have little interest in getting married to the men around them, men they often out-compete. There is nothing in it, for lower class women, to get married. For what? To support some lazy bloke? The joke is on women, unfortunately. Who do women now work for? Lower class women working mostly generates money for the elite class, at the expense of their own lives. Feminism got lower class women to generate wealth for the elite, while telling them they were "empowered" and "liberated". In the 1960s the marriage rate was 80% for all classes. Now, only well off people marry. The marriage rate is now extremely low, at the lower ends of society, because we brought in sexual liberation....liberal values...trained lower class women to out-earn the men around them, then robbed the lower class women of the benefits of marriage, while freeing men to be cads, who sleep around. Not a useful social pattern. Short answer: rich girls won, but the bottom 80% of women, lost badly. Feminism helps women who are from well off families, hurts the rest. Louise knows all this. She says several times, it is poor women that are hurt by the new social patterns. Good for her for trying to straighten out this mess of unforeseen consequences. Remember Chesterton's fence.
Oh, yes. I recall a television interview show where a half dozen women in top notch business and academic positions recounted all the services that allowed them to concentrate on their professions, rather than their children. The women in the audience, most of whom no doubt had shit jobs with no such privileges, were eating it up, with stars in their eyes.
I am married, but I don't blame other men for walking away. Not many women out there who are offering a good deal. Marriage is already weighted towards women, so it doesn't take much to tip the scale
@@vivienneb6199 that too, the cats are giving you terrible feedback here hen. Listen, i know this is how you get the attention you need from men, but I can't be bothered with you anymore, I assume like every other man in your life so I'm going to go and play video games and ignore you. Have a nice night :)
You better be sure on that one,the first thing all the women say is. It’s nothing to do with the money,well it’s everything to do with the money every single time
Why not hook with a homeless bloke... I mean a lot of homeless men and women shag like animals all the time... I assume they are good at sex. So realistically... he would be "orgasmic" for her.
The tone & thrust of most comments here is so negative, snide & bitter it’s frankly incredible! I wonder how happy most are when their first instinct to a very sincere, well researched author is to stoke the pointless Battle of the Sexes
Upon more reading you’ll likely realize it’s not for adults either - just the vapid projections of an entitled effete sophomoric attitude lacking self-awareness and any conception of gratitude. Equality is a fine aim and the first wave feminists had a point. The subsequent waves were pathological.
Feminism isn't all bad as it washes many of the bad mothers out of the gene pool. The future should be populated by a higher percentage of healthy God-fearing families. We've only had 50 years of evolution under the BC pill; the significance of which can't be understated. Just think of 100 years ago when orphanages were over flowing and every mentally ill crackhead was pumping out kids. Of course, morality and enforced monogamy was stronger then.
ive spent a lot of my time studying the history of empires. When an empire dies it takes years (sometimes 100s) but the fix is in often way before then. The western empire is in its last death throes now. in the longterm ALL empires die but i am curious where the next empire will come from? south america, singpore?? doubt i'll live to see it due to ill health but it is interesting.
We went through the reformation. Now i think we're going through the reclamation I see punters and intellectuals - and regular people - everywhere reclaiming old traditions. The ones that still hold value, and always were good ideas. Interestingly a lot of us are atheists and a lot of the ideas come from our Christian heritage, but that doesn't make them wrong Mind you. Now that times are getting tougher with inflation and recession, I'm sure we'll start seeing strong independent women start to demand that men step up and start paying for everything again
Keeping Christian heritage beliefs without Christianity is like trying to keep a tree standing without its roots. It might totter for a while but the foundation principle is gone so it will collapse - that’s what we are seeing in the west. Judeo Christian values didn’t just happen in a vacuum. Individuals eventually where seen as valuable because they where seen as being made in Gods image. Men and women came to be seen as both sharing that dignity, but with complimentary natures that allowed for companionship with variety (equal but different). Marriage was seen as Gods decree for a stable society. We are just starting to realize what a mess we can make of things when we rip up ancient landmarks (ie marriage) without asking why they are there in the first place.
@@andrewwilliamson450 1. Confucianism don`t have any "God" in it, yet it held stronger then "Judeo-Christian" traditions. 2. Unless country would get rid of abortions and contraception(maybe allow selling contraception to married couple with multiple kids for example, but ban selling to unmarried people), there can`t be any "marriage values". And "God" is gonna just hurt the cause. Because when you believe in science, it is hard to also believe in "God". While with Confucianism it goes like this "there need to be harmony, and therefore marriage and this are the roles for man and women". That idea of social harmony is much better then the "God" and would hold much longer.
I don't think and marriage reform made over the last two hundred years has strengthened the institution. On balance, some reforms did more good than bad, but they all weakened the institution. Marriage is an economic union, primarily for bringing up children.
Perhaps it is for a woman it is an economic union. For the man, I don't know what the hell it is other than a major bait and switch game in which he is likely the big loser.
It was always about making life better. money is just one aspect of it. Marriage is a symbol. Basically a promise saying -> I am ready to build my life with you and dedicate myself to keep understanding and knowing you regardless of the hardship life may throw at us. I will be there for you and the family we will create. Your couple is what you make of it. Living with someone does not mean you know them. Truly knowing and loving someone require dedication and commitment. If you don't put time and effort into your relation it will never last. Specially today where divorce is so easy to achieve.
A MESSAGE TO WOMEN You all need to start fighting for the divorce laws, child custody laws, domestic violence laws and false accusations laws to be made fairer to men. Seriously.
The fact that we don't make education of our youth an important issue we are going to have the least educated people of the next few generations. Somewhere along the way some forgot what it means to teach boys to be strong and responsible Men and to teach our young girls to be strong and responsible women because without that we don't have a future and as a result immigration will be a major factor in the moving forward. Because instead of education of our own youth we are going to import people from the third world to work in Fields our own youth are not interested in working because they became too soft and delicate.
-“I’m bored” says the housewife to then go work for her own money slaving away all day and tired out 😂 -“He’s controlling” says the housewife to go be controlled by her boss 😂 -“he isn’t loving” says the housewife to then watch Netflix with her cats alone 😂 -“he’s lazy” says the housewife to find she doesn’t have her man to fix things around the house 😂 -“all he wants is s€x” says the housewife to end up buying a toy on Amazon 😂
@@SeattlePioneer "Never married and no children"? See: Rise of the Sheconomy. Morgan Stanley Investment Firm of New York is predicting by 2030, about 40% of women of child bearing age in advanced countries, will be single and childless. Invest in cat litter. Not working out for them.
If either partner can impose divorce on the other spouse, without his or her consent, and on no grounds at all, halving his/her income and wealth, without penalty or the requirement to compensate the other spouse, then marriage does not exist.
I agree with that. I express it as follows: If either party, at any time, for any reason or no reason at all can get a divorce, then marriage has been abolished. We should, however, be glad that women have a powerful desire to be "Queen For a Day" at their own wedding, because without that feminists would have been pushing for expansive common law marriages that allow them all the legal privileges of marriage without being married at all. If increasing number of men refuse marriage, I expect that to become a political issue anyway. Fuck a woman, or perhaps even kiss one, and they will want to claim all the perqs that currently go with marriage.
@@SeattlePioneer I totally agree. If divorce is an option you haven't been married in the first place. As for your future outlook, you are totally right again. When the feminists are done men will avoid women like they're contagious.
@@hanswurscht6625 a lot of it is what happens before you marry. First we call having casual sex, having a fuck. We took the most private parts of the human body and simply called it having a fuck. We told 15-16 year olds to experiment. We've got men who've run through double digit women by the time they get married. Arguably, it's turned out worse for the women whose sexual nature is generally ignored in that arrangement. But it turns out fantastic for the men who come with a conquer as many as possible mentality. Or for the Hugh Hefner's of the world, who wanted to turn the female body into a moneymaker. Then we told young boys and girls that it was okay to touch and experiment before they got married. So instead of letting young people start something special and enchanting with each other. Letting them discover each other's personalities and values etc. We encouraged them (especially young men) to objectify women. So when they did marry, they married a fucktoy not a wife. Then we told them that sex several times a week was ideal. So instead of taking a break from physicality for a couple of days each month to refresh their marriage. They fucked until they got bored and then they divorced. Generally after he knocked her up once or twice. If you want to avoid negative consequences. You have to encourage sexual values and relations between the sexes radically different then the ones society has now.
Slavery in what sense? That they can’t have sex with multiple people? How would it be any less slavery for women? Statistically women are the ones who much more to lose - they are beat and killed by men at a much higher rate than the other way around. Seems like a restriction of unlimited freedoms for men being called slavery is a bit dramatic. Many times when we make a choice to limit our freedoms and commit to something it’s because there is a benefit to it- married men are healthier- they have more sex, they often have domestic labor taken care of. It’s hard for me to see what men think is so god awful about marriage besides not having sex with many different people without consequence. (Don’t cite divorce statistics as to why marriage itself is “slavery” for men, but somehow wouldn’t be for women)
What age was she? If she was in university or just out of it, that explains it. Once you hit late 20’s and early 30’s this often changes. Before that everyone tells you you have to focus on school, not boys, and it’s looked down upon to have kids or be married in early 20’s. People tell women they are throwing away their lives.
Having had a few friends slaughtered in the divorce court I hear you.. My barely drinks, never taken drugs friend with a heart of gold who adored his children was apparently a raging alcoholic druggie with a violent wife beating temper...
@Danni Catzer I have a bud I went through to jury trials with him after his wife got pissed he would not chauffeur his in-laws around so she got a SWAT team called on him. No BS. All the responding officer had to do was a background check on her first and would have seen she had three prior arrests for DV
I've been in a partnership for 30yrs, not married, 7 kids. had our troubles some serious but still together. seen married friends divorce but what I have seen, in the next generation is an unwillingness to take up marriage, especially amongst men
> That is the smart and prudent decision for men. I swore off marriage and children at age 19, in 1969. Best decision ever. What amazes me is the number of men who continue to opt into the burdens and pains of marriage and children. WHY do they do it? Why?
In other words if u don't have to stick together u won't what a surprise don't fall for the fraud of rings fellas there is lots of advantages for her but none for u
Marriage / Radical monogamy ( haha I loved that ) has many advantages in my mind when it works, absolutely zero, in fact negative for Men when it doesn't
@@Antipodean33 I'm guessing you have never been married / partnered with someone who has both complimented and supported you. Working as a team of 2 can produce the results of 3. Add children to the mix and this and, in my experience, can be a most uplifting purposeful way of living. Time doesn't lie , we have been doing this for a while now.
Empty egg cartons force modern women to review their earlier decisions. Men are becoming too jaded by women’s nonsense to care anymore. Bicycles don’t need fish either.
In usa, one party gets the house, alimony, savings, child support, tax return, children, life insurance policy and dog. The other party gets all the bills. That is why marriage is ending. That silly piece of paper means nothing, only to the government.
Yes. That's a huge problem, which governments and news media apparently have no interest in addressing. And yet, the basic security of our society depends much more on men than on women (look at the Ukraine).
most modern women are incapable of empathy. they'll kill their babies and can't understand a man even when he's told her everything she needs to know in childishly simple terms for decades.
When my buddies can't find a good women because they're out partying until 30 no one cared. Now they're looked at as not real men because they won't pick up the trast.
In 1969, at age 19, I observed the plague of divorce taking place, which has continued unabated ever since. I resolved at that time never to marry or have children. Just not worth the risk of social and financial disaster for me as a man. Of course, women often receive a financial bonanza from divorce, the bill for which is paid by men. At age 72, that has proven to be my best decision ever.
I am 64. At still 17 I endured the total wrath of a feminist English Professor in my first term at the University of Florida. I noticed then, the entire population of women was either like her or becoming like her at a rapid rate. I've never got married and am happy to say I escaped getting divorce graped.
1969, eh? Wow, that's when my father's first divorce took place. Interesting even though they should never have married to begin with or stayed married for a decade. Who am I to talk though, my first marriage was 7 years, and it also should never have happened.
She said that "when It's hard to divorce people tend to stick with it" . At the same moment everywhere in the Christian world, women are benefited from divorce and can easily break the marriage.
The person who initiates a divorce is NOT the person who files the papers. The person who ends the marriage, is the one who is first to violate his/her marriage vows
@@chriswatson1698 lol, you may want to re-think this statement. Two top reasons for divorce are infidelity and finances. I looked up the vows, it says nothing about infidelity and it actually says " for richer and for poorer", completely invalidating your argument. Top reason of financial straits causing divorce is against a central tenet of "marriage vows". Quite literally the person "who files" ends the marriage. Faulty logic CHRIS.
@@allanluis3696 Wrong. It is your logic that is faulty. And my marriage vows, which were the standard Anglican service, most certainly included a promise of lifelong fidelity. We both promised to "keep me only unto thee, as long as we both shall live". Marriage is a contract between two people. You can't claim to be fulfilling the contract if you are violating its terms. When only one of the participants is keeping his or her promise, then the marriage does not exist, regardless of whether the papers have been filed or not.
@@chriswatson1698 I see how you avoided THE MAIN THRUST of my argument. I spent most of my response talking about FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES being a leading factor for divorce. You have not addressed this argument. TRY AGAIN CHRIS!
@@allanluis3696 The Anglican wedding ceremony includes the words, spoken only by the man: "all my worldly goods I thee endow". I have noticed that in the fictional American weddings seen on TV shows, there are no actual vows at all. The statements that the characters refer to as "vows" are just assurances of love in the present. Research in Australia shows that women do not benefit financially from divorce unless the husband is particularly rich. While both parties take a drop in wealth, after divorce, the men quickly recover financially. The women do not, until they re-partner.
Men have taken the rational decision that marriage is not for then, all these men have done is performed a risk/benefit analysis and decided that marriage/family life is not for them as they see no benefit in it for them, if anything it puts everything they worked long and hard to build in jeopardy, as the courts system is totally biased against them. They see the winning move is not to play the game. The only reason Louise Perry is advocating for marriage is that the feminists see all the resources that single men represent walking away from them. If a man isn't married he doesn't have to work himself to death, not having to support the debt burden of a married household.
@@kmc1872 It is what was expected of them by society, that they put in all of the hours god sends, plus overtime, and then get moaned at that they are never home.
She didn't make a 'feminist' case for marriage. She made a traditionalist case for marriage. I'm not sure if there is a 'feminist' case for marriage, although there absolutely is a case against marrying a feminist.
I divorced and carried huge guilt as my boys were 8 and 10. They're now in their forties, straight and live with "partners" but have no children. Whereas my 3 siblings who stayed married, are all grandparents with one a multiple great-grandparent. So either my sons' lack of both marriage and children is autosomal dominant genetics or learned (my very bad example). My point is that it isn't the fact that easier divorce devalued marriage, it's the effect of living through parents divorcing that has soured the idea of marriage for children....and it's also an experience they're then loath to pass on so they don't have children. Yes. I feel bad about this.
Divorce shouldn't be made harder. We shouldn't be marrying ie. contracting with each other and state from an emotional stand point.. How many contracts do you sign while high on your own supply?
@@wyleecoyotee4252 if marriage is bad for women why aren't feminists trying to reform or abolish marriage? Where are the websites warning women about these statistics you mention and advising women that they are happiest single?
@@richardnorth1881 Why waste time and energy to abolish something when it's easier just to not take part in it? Educated motivated women already know about this and it's a choice for many. It's the tradcon men and a few midwest girls who are trying to scare women into marriage.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 again, Louise Perry asks them leftist progressive women like you...why you are the biggest demographic to get married? Marriage is soo soo bad...and yet liberal people are more likely to get married. Why is that?
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Married women reporting unhappiness more doesn't equate to them actually being unhappy. Men are discentivized to open about their feelings and say their marriages fail. Men's masculinity and worth as a partner is measured by how well they're able to keep a family intact. That could explain why men report less rates of unhappiness.
Plus men should have signature approval over a wife's decision for abortion if the child is biologically his. (he should get at least this for marrying)
Or not engage. It's not a positive situation if people can't leave a marriage that isn't working. Most married people are miserable. Would you force that on them for the rest of their lives?
@@vivienneb6199 just as wives get away with spousal abuse every singe day. Men struggle to prove they are being abused too. No fault is less expensive? than what? how so? that's the best argument you have? No fault is not necessary, and you haven't given me a single reason why it is other than declaring your baseless opinions as facts.
Quick question. Why should men care, or even risk their safety, for a society that treats them either as a joke, a disposable resource, an afterthought, an inconvenience, or a threat? Thank you for your kind, sensible, and courteous reply.
Freddy G. Absolutely agree with you. Respect is earned, it's not a given for those who think they're more special than anyone else, so feel entitled to abuse anyone who doesn't agree with what they learned at University.
@Dreddy G they shouldn't. You aren't allowed to opt out, you'll basically be destroyed if you try and resist it, it's too late to stop it, so hasten the demise. These types on this video, the woman, is trying to save herself. It's going to be rough, but until the majority of women are in a situation where their current denial of reality and biting the hand that feeds them becomes deadly, things won't change. It's going to be sad. You are going to see lots of kids roaming around like feral dog packs, women eating out of dumpsters and death (this is common in third world countries, coming here soon).
Society doesn't respect men for the good works they do and obligations they uphold. It is expected of men so no acknowledgement or respect is given. Ask a guy today if he's recently received a compliment for simply being a decent fella. Pretty much no man gets complimented anymore unless he's done major productive work. It's expected, as always. Men are wising up to this extremely poor deal. Even the lady here; she probably 28+ now and wants marriage for all the benefits she would receive, yet hasn't given a thought to what would be the benefits her husband would receive beyond obligation, responsibilities, and accountability to her and the family. And think about it, a husband isn't even entitled to sex in a marriage today. So what's the point?
Six point five per thousand are committing to marriage. Slice and dice it any which way you please, but forty to eighty is a long time when all you got at home is box wine and cat litter.
Totally not worth it....the greatest curse you can endure is the "rich life" without a family to spend it with... you're gonna grow old with lots of money but alone..... and you know it deep down when no one truly got your back...buttom line....the west needs to restructure their marriage laws
@@toddjohnson271 Don't be funny sir/ma grandparents spend more than 5 decades together..my parents are on their third decade.... it's only in your society that I'm hearing such horrific events of women leaving marriage after 7 years 🤮🤮 .. what's the point of "till death us part" if you can't stay for half a century through the hardest and sweetest moment.. it's definitely not a rollercoaster..ups and downs are a must.. it's the principle that bounds them together...as always you're not obliged to live your life base on my experience
Any men advocating for marriage ?? Going on and on about it ?? How sad that there are no marriages ?? Any men telling other men it's so great you don't know what your missing ?? Any??? Anywhere?? No religious types need respond I know you have no choice
The person who files for divorce is NOT the person who ends the marriage. Marriages are ended by the spouse who is the first to violate his or her marriage vows, assuming that vows were made
@@youtubeyoutube936 We have no figures for the numbers of either sex that violate their marriage vows. I don't see why the numbers of people who file for divorce would be 50/50 by gender.
Why is petitioning F:M in the region of 80:20? If it is not representative of anything but just a whim then what is the point of men getting married? I’d say because the court system in Europe/ west favours the outcome of one party
@@youtubeyoutube936 Research in Australia shows that the custodial partner is always poorer than the partner who is free to invest in his earning capacity, free and unencumbered by child care responsibilities.
Marriage rates in the US, broadly, are declining because middle class men (and women) are earning far less than they were 50 years ago, according to government statistics. At the same time, women have been given legal equality with men in seeking jobs and careers. Women, however, steer clear of professions like engineering, previously dominated by men. Only 20 percent of engineers are women. And, of course, most women prefer not to dig ditches or drop giant old growth trees in the Northwest US. Most women also seem to prefer daddies as partners, whether these women were feminists when younger, or not. So, we have a lot to consider. But this is 2023, and a lot has changed. Nevertheless, the primary reason preventing ongoing, positive change is an economy some refuse to or can't accept, creating a game in which more men won't or can't participate.
Louise Perry waffles - the distinction between marriage which tends to result in divorce at around 50% and cohabitation is equivocal. But, Perry claims that there are "rights." she also claims that marriage is important to the children. No differentiation between marriage and cohabitation of couples is drawn nor any reference to married couples with children and couples who have children outside of marriage. The differences are not clear except that some people have the "conviction" that marriage is necessary. So, what is motivating marriage? Tax breaks? Right to property and inheritance? Rights to assets upon divorce? Chance at custody or visitation upon divorce? Are these the kinds of reasons we should consider valid? Perry also brings up the apparent contradiction from liberals who she claims advance divorce but also tend to marry and stay married, but she offers no reason for this motivation! What Perry is doing is claiming that everyone 'ought' to get married, but it is unclear why other than to reap the tax break. Aren't there many relationships between the genders where marriage is impractical and instead a form of subjection, for example, people who do not have children, people who are too old to have children? Why people who are less wealthy tend not to get married, is not addressed by Perry, she merely persuades everyone into marriage. As a result everything Perry claims is necessary is nothing but opinion. Underlying her hubris is the main issue: marriage is big business based on traditional obligations, marriage is not about love or friendship as clearly evidenced in the divorce statistics and its sequelae, namely the conflicts over custody, visitation and child support and/or alimony payments. What I wonder about is why can't people be friends instead of entering legal contracts.
How do we know that it's Marriage that makes couples stick together, and not that couples likely to stick together are also more likely to get married? No one seems to ask that question in this debate. Correlation is not Cause!!
Marriage is a contract. Women today have broken that contract all too often because they no longer desire their husband. Desire has never been the foundation of marriage or in LTR's. If women are so empathetic towards the effects of divorce on children, then why are most divorces filed by women? I've witnessed more marriages where the man is trying his hardest to make the woman happy, but nothing suffices. Divorces almost entirely is biased against the man and his assets. I've seen many divorced women, in short order, move on to another man and/or back to the party scene for the "fun times" while the men proceed with their life progress career/financial wise. Why are women more effected financially by divorce? Because too many of them either don't work or work lower paying jobs AND don't manage their money as well. I've worked with many women over the years, more in the recent past. Only a few women were actually skill qualified for their job positions vs the men. Many women get the jobs that they're less qualified for because of their gender. HR depts and the beta/simps are there to support the women only. Men, regardless of how much more qualified they are, how much more productive they are, don't get considered for higher positions because society, government, and women want women to get those promotions even if it means the job is not done as well. Businesses, in the end, suffer the fallout of this as productivity goes down. More men will continue to extract themselves from a rigged work environment and refuse to do the work that the women were hired to do but can't do.
And everything they get involved in ie. army,navy,police,fire brigade,construction,and lots more,they fuck it up want to change the dynamics to there woke weak ways,most of them full of bullshit and then blame anyone apart from themselves for there shortcomings
"Only a few women were actually skill qualified for their job positions vs the men." The massive over-representation of feminist female teachers, in our education systems in the West, have been grading girls higher than boys for decades now, to give them an advantage over men in the job market later in life. There's amble evidence of that, plenty of research has been made, and there's lots of articles on the findings online. Logic dictates that this is going to reveal itself when they get out there, especially as CEO's, and need that nobody male employer from accounting to follow them around everywhere, because they don't actually know what they're doing. Which curiously enough is one of the stories that are most prominent, when the topic of women in leading positions are brought up..
@@ErikDeMann I am old enough to remember when the education system and examinations where rigged in favour of boys. ( girls had to achieve higher pass marks)To blame feminism for all the world's ills is simply unfair.
@@jodawson5268 Oh, well, I guess that makes everything allright then, doesn't it? It's not like anyone unfairly might call you all a bunch of fucking hypocrites then, is it? Never mind the fact that none of your generation ever were oppressed in the West, by any conceivable standards, quite the contrary actually. And never mind that none of the young boys in the education system today ever oppressed you or any of your ancestors. It's all fine and dandy that you're doing the same thing you claim that men did, as long as you get your petty and infantile revenge over a group of children that wasn't even born, exactly like you weren't, either. Because that's *all* that this is about, -Petty revenge for perceived slights, that didn't even happen to the last two or three generations of women, if ever. You feminists make me want to puke. You really are a revolting bunch of people, and completely oblivious to the fact that you've now become everything you set out to fight. You should all be fucking ashamed of yourselves, for sanctioning this kind of biased hatred against your own boys, and you most of all, woman, for trying to defend a deeply psychotic justification like that. How the fuck do you even sleep at night, let alone end up getting custody over your own boys after divorce, when you so obviously despise them, based on their genitals alone?
marriage is a bad deal for men. divorce favours women and they know it. women might have a couple of kids with their husband and divorce them 10 years in. they get half the assets and control of when their husband can see the kids. this is so common and men are now aware of it. why should a man who's worked hard to do well have to give half away.
The destruction of poor families leads to more dependency, which means more power for the scum who pretend to be compassionate by robbing Peter to pay Paul.
After listening to this whole interview, I do not know what the lady was saying. She said a whole lot of loud sounding nothings. I now feel less intelligent than before listening to her
If women were not abandoned to try to mitigate and manage domestic abuse of 1) primary family 2) partner, then perhaps they could stay married. The social circumstance of abuse is like a chronic illness that sticks with someone over a lifetime or one never experiences it. So how do we manage abuse that is deadly or damaging?
All it takes is one statement to flush years of hard work and having children together in a loving committed marriage; “I’m Not Happy.” And off to the Court SHE runs too to, which 80% Marriages are done by! Average marriage in the west lasts only 8.3 years. No wonder why Men refuse to get married and commit, look at how women behave when it comes to this archaic institution. Very Sad!
Maybe our great grandparents actually had it more right and, dare I say, a society built upon judeo-christian values was a pretty good idea on the whole?
Couverture - in 1870s married women were granted control over their property and earnings. When will men be given the same rights? When will men no longer be held responsible for funding the family? Alimony, child support and family support/ social security are all funded overwhelmingly or primarily by men. If a m a n refuses to fund his wife's lifestyle that is deemed to be the crime of financial abuse, a form of domestic violence.
If you have not done 50% of the child care when the children were small and required constant attention, 24/7, then you owe your income to the person who has. Child care has adverse effects on a woman's earning power for the rest of her life. Even if she never does have children, her career opportunities are limited by the expectation that she will go off and care for a child at some time in the future.
It is her choice to have a child, he gets no legal choices. If she suffers a loss of earnings that is again a consequence of her choice. She could have married a man who earns less than she does, but very few women do that. If he earns less then it makes sense for him to do the child care not her. How many women give her partner the choice of being the primary carer? How many women give up her maternity leave so he can take it instead? Women being oppressed by their own choices and preferences - not by him!
Men have always had control over their property and earnings. When men do their fair share of the child care, then they can expect women to do their fair share of the breadwinning.
@@SeattlePioneer I agree that women should be paid as much as a man and that men should absorb 50% of the burden and inconvenience of satisfying the needs of children from birth. Haven't you noticed that few woman are having children at all, and those who do have a child, have only one.
Society is a community. The smallest form of community is a marriage - a community of two. A society made up of marriages will be better than one made up mostly of single people. A community made up of couple-communities will be in tune with itself.
Women aren't able to divorce their husbands. They are not allowed to have their own careers. Without a way to support herself she is effectively enslaved. Islam only allows the man to divorce and he doesn't have to have any grounds.
It seems to me that a lot of people are more interested in the wedding than the commitment. It would be hard for a Tory government to interfere in people's lives on the marriage front while saying they are against it in other areas.
It's interesting that Ireland hasn't seen an 'explosion' of divorces since divorce was legalised there in the mid-1990s. The solution to high divorce rates can't be to abolish divorce, it should be to better prepare people for marriage and educate them on the benefits of a good marriage.
why would men get married when they have no right and there is a 99.99% chance they loose everything and a 99.99999% they get blamed for everything while women never are held responsible for their actions???
Just to share - - The baby in the worm has it's heart beating (hence, it's similar to murder/ killing of life. It's FAR from any characteristics of a tumor✌🏽 ) - Termination of pregnancy for medical/psychological & other unfortunate circumstances are ofcos considered as mother's life & well-being is priority... - Having unprotected sex for pleasure & getting oneself pregnant from it, is simply irresponsible... also shows how one has no value to life & very disrespectful to creation itself... (putting morals aside) One should be extremely clear & careful on this matter... the consequences are far greater that many can imagine 😅 God bless 🙏🏽
Someone once said:"A contract where one person is incentivized to break it won't last for long"
So, I wonder which gender initiates divorce, 80% of the time? 🤣🤔
well, the contract should have incentive. In other words, right now, our tax law incentivizes divorce. It should be the other way around. Our tax laws should always show a clear benefit to staying married.
How big is the marriage penalty according to a quick Wikipedia search?
Marriage penalties can be as high as 12 percent of a couple's income.
Marriage ends in divorce half the time with women doing the family breaking 3/4 of the time, with an automatic golden parachute, proportionally much more generous than any CEO ever gets (they don’t ever leave with half the business).
It’s not men leaving this institution, but they sure are increasingly noticing what women are actually doing with it. No tax break is going to fix that.
@@NerdlySquaredduring the US divorce maximum in the 1980s, “half of all marriages end in divorce” was both very true and horribly misleading.
Most people didn’t get divorced at all, a smaller group got one divorce, and even smaller fraction 2, smaller yet 3, and the smallest group 4 or more. And it was this smallest category that skewed the stats.
My father told me he would never walk me down the aisle if I were either pregnant or had a child outside of marriage. He was a very strict parent for which I am now extremely grateful. Although I came quite close to loathing him as a teenager.
If you disliked your Father as a teenager, you were both doing your jobs correctly 😁
He was clearly emotionally manipulating you.
In other words you would never have done the sensible thing if your father wasn't strict. Dads can be a lot softer if they want to be you know, if kindness is in their nature.
@@therespectedlex9794 Thank you. Now that I'm older and a parent myself I understand, and respect more the hard work and kindness that goes into raising children.
@@patriciachadwick5658 There is the hard work, yeah. But parenting and having a job are things people just end up doing. Or they want to do it a bit too much, because they need too much support, for wrongdoing, and possibly need a scapegoat in the family.
Liberal ideology seeking Conservative outcomes.
Feminism has been a big factor in ruining marriage.
Feminism Ruins Everything, for Everyone
Well said
Exactly what they do. Modern day liberals try to hijack Conservative values and manipulate younger generations.
There is no such thing as femnisim, just women.
@@olympusentertainment2638 its pronounced 'Narcissism'
Why would a man sign a contract that the other party is incentivised to break?
There are ways around that.
Orwell's Housecat You can try a prenup. Or you can establish yourself before you enter into marriage. As well, petition your government for a change to drop the divorce punishment of men.
@@williammentink judges just throw them out in divorce settlements,
@@johnwatts8346 That's why I put up, "try". Anything short of an irrevocable trust is going to be at risk in divorce courts?
real men are not worried about this.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Applied to relationships:
If you make it easier to get divorced you will make
it harder to get married.
Not so, it will make divorce harder... Which is the answer, no fault divorce was a huge part of the problem as is the Matriarchy and it's men having no legal rights.
The left were warned about this when pushong these reforms decades back, it's not as if they are clueless to what the problem is. It's clear that liberal thinking is a cancer to society
If you make it harder to get a divorce, you'll get fewer marriages. I don't know why you people don't see this. You sound like the CCP and the one child policy. You refuse to see the consequences of your policies.
Everything that was supposedly progress was the exact opposite.
isn't that a metaphor for todays woke agenda
Just replace the word 'progress' will 'irresponsibility' then the progressives got it right.
@@samn8309 exactly right
That's why progressive types have no idea what they are even complaining about. Most of them don't even know history and are therefore ungrateful for things they have today. Instead of learning history and appreciating things, they would rather destroy everything only to realize they have it better before.
They confuse "change" with "progress".
Feminism: it was brought in by elite women in the upper classes, to give them more power, to allow them to access education and the modern economy. Sounds good. But most women who do well in life, are from the upper classes. So opening the world of work and money for women, it mostly benefitted the upper class women. This strengthened the economics of the upper classes in advanced countries. How? Most women in university are from the upper classes, getting trained to take their place at the top of the economic pyramid, making a lot of money. The upper class women get married at university, get well paid careers, then bring in lots of household money, so it's not just the upper class husband bringing in lots of household money. That's why you have a pattern of marriage has continued to be strong in the upper classes...money. Feminism was a roaring financial success for women in the upper classes, like Louise. Bright women from well off families got careers, two professional family incomes. So upper class women really cleaned up, with feminism. ✅
But...but...an unforeseen problem that arose was feminism also decimated the lower class women, while benefitting rich women. How? Lower class women get less education, less opportunity, have less family backing them up in life. They must work hard to get ahead. The bottom 80% of women, who now often outcompete men their own age, focus mostly on career over family now, wealth is heavily concentrated in the top 20%, so men in the bottom 80% have little to offer women, in marriage. The women have little interest in getting married to the men around them, men they often out-compete. There is nothing in it, for lower class women, to get married. For what? To support some lazy bloke?
The joke is on women, unfortunately. Who do women now work for? Lower class women working mostly generates money for the elite class, at the expense of their own lives. Feminism got lower class women to generate wealth for the elite, while telling them they were "empowered" and "liberated". In the 1960s the marriage rate was 80% for all classes. Now, only well off people marry.
The marriage rate is now extremely low, at the lower ends of society, because we brought in sexual liberation....liberal values...trained lower class women to out-earn the men around them, then robbed the lower class women of the benefits of marriage, while freeing men to be cads, who sleep around. Not a useful social pattern. Short answer: rich girls won, but the bottom 80% of women, lost badly. Feminism helps women who are from well off families, hurts the rest.
Louise knows all this. She says several times, it is poor women that are hurt by the new social patterns. Good for her for trying to straighten out this mess of unforeseen consequences. Remember Chesterton's fence.
Oh, yes. I recall a television interview show where a half dozen women in top notch business and academic positions recounted all the services that allowed them to concentrate on their professions, rather than their children.
The women in the audience, most of whom no doubt had shit jobs with no such privileges, were eating it up, with stars in their eyes.
I don't think we need any more cultural input from the feminists, thanks.
who initiates most divorces - then regrets that decision -
In fact, just stop listening to women. 99 out of 100 we make better decisions.
Feminism Ruins Everything, for Everyone
Incels have arrived
@@beauraymond11 So have the feminists XD
Men are working out how bad a deal marriage is for them
Balderdash.
@@msj5885 🙄
@@msj5885 Wake up.
not according to science, but i'm sure your bitter whinging will pay off for you one day... somehow.
I’m many ways yes, but in other ways no.
I am married, but I don't blame other men for walking away.
Not many women out there who are offering a good deal.
Marriage is already weighted towards women, so it doesn't take much to tip the scale
Avoid them bro. We are winning, let them eat cake.
Women don't offer the deal. The state does. That's the problem.
@@vivienneb6199 shes a great woman so she is happy with how things are going
@@vivienneb6199 I'm sure that sounded like a much sicker burn to your cats
@@vivienneb6199 that too, the cats are giving you terrible feedback here hen.
Listen, i know this is how you get the attention you need from men, but I can't be bothered with you anymore, I assume like every other man in your life so I'm going to go and play video games and ignore you.
Have a nice night :)
Divorce really screwed my life up, I'm never doing that again!
I'm watching a coworker go through it rn. Soon to be ex wife is totally unhinged. It's brutal.
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My neighbor just got married to a harpy, it’s like re- watching a series. I know what’s going to happen in seasons 2-4&4 LOL he deserves it.
@@mordinsolus9414 blows my mind how some men get re married 2,3,4 + times ! It's crazy!
It was never about the marriage ... it was always about the MONEY !!!!
You better be sure on that one,the first thing all the women say is. It’s nothing to do with the money,well it’s everything to do with the money every single time
"Women are opportunists by Nature, if you got money."
~ Donald J. Trump, (The Mean Tweets.)
Why not hook with a homeless bloke... I mean a lot of homeless men and women shag like animals all the time... I assume they are good at sex. So realistically... he would be "orgasmic" for her.
No wonder Swedish children are the most depressed in Europe.
I'll happily marry if the woman has a couple of million in assets and doesn't require me to sign a pre-nup. Isn't equality brilliant ?
The ruinous effects of divorce on men is probably the greatest reason for the decline in marriage- oddly nor mentioned.
They ignore the elephant in the room - due to the divorce policy biased against men marriage is a sh| t sandwich for them.
Not odd, just obvious. There’s an agenda at play
"ruinous" more like Apocalyptic
The tone & thrust of most comments here is so negative, snide & bitter it’s frankly incredible! I wonder how happy most are when their first instinct to a very sincere, well researched author is to stoke the pointless Battle of the Sexes
Interesting hearing this from a self avowed Feminist. The more I look into Feminism, the more I realize its not for kids.
Feminism Ruins Everything, for Everyone
Upon more reading you’ll likely realize it’s not for adults either - just the vapid projections of an entitled effete sophomoric attitude lacking self-awareness and any conception of gratitude. Equality is a fine aim and the first wave feminists had a point. The subsequent waves were pathological.
Too ironic to hear it from them.
I was 15 when I (unknowingly) became a feminist, after witnessing my poor mothers and grandmother's marriages
Feminism isn't all bad as it washes many of the bad mothers out of the gene pool. The future should be populated by a higher percentage of healthy God-fearing families. We've only had 50 years of evolution under the BC pill; the significance of which can't be understated. Just think of 100 years ago when orphanages were over flowing and every mentally ill crackhead was pumping out kids. Of course, morality and enforced monogamy was stronger then.
ive spent a lot of my time studying the history of empires. When an empire dies it takes years (sometimes 100s) but the fix is in often way before then.
The western empire is in its last death throes now.
in the longterm ALL empires die but i am curious where the next empire will come from? south america, singpore?? doubt i'll live to see it due to ill health but it is interesting.
Russia is the only place that isn't chemically castrating 9-year-olds and calling it hormone therapy.
well go to any store, take any item, then read the ''made in'' notice and you have your answer
We went through the reformation. Now i think we're going through the reclamation
I see punters and intellectuals - and regular people - everywhere reclaiming old traditions. The ones that still hold value, and always were good ideas. Interestingly a lot of us are atheists and a lot of the ideas come from our Christian heritage, but that doesn't make them wrong
Mind you. Now that times are getting tougher with inflation and recession, I'm sure we'll start seeing strong independent women start to demand that men step up and start paying for everything again
No thanks. Don't need a man to pay my bills. Got it covered
Keeping Christian heritage beliefs without Christianity is like trying to keep a tree standing without its roots. It might totter for a while but the foundation principle is gone so it will collapse - that’s what we are seeing in the west. Judeo Christian values didn’t just happen in a vacuum. Individuals eventually where seen as valuable because they where seen as being made in Gods image. Men and women came to be seen as both sharing that dignity, but with complimentary natures that allowed for companionship with variety (equal but different). Marriage was seen as Gods decree for a stable society. We are just starting to realize what a mess we can make of things when we rip up ancient landmarks (ie marriage) without asking why they are there in the first place.
@@andrewwilliamson450 1. Confucianism don`t have any "God" in it, yet it held stronger then "Judeo-Christian" traditions.
2. Unless country would get rid of abortions and contraception(maybe allow selling contraception to married couple with multiple kids for example, but ban selling to unmarried people), there can`t be any "marriage values".
And "God" is gonna just hurt the cause. Because when you believe in science, it is hard to also believe in "God". While with Confucianism it goes like this "there need to be harmony, and therefore marriage and this are the roles for man and women". That idea of social harmony is much better then the "God" and would hold much longer.
They never stopped asking for the money. It's called welfare
@@wyleecoyotee4252 not until you do hahaha
Women seem not to like marriage, and men seem not to like divorce.
Fewer heterosexual marriages is an example of Western society’s decline.
Piece of paper make it better - marriage
Piece of paper make it better - divorce
No one is thinking about the pieces of paper. The poor paper.
So if she knows all this, why is she a feminist... 🤔
Because women are a herd, and say it or not, they tend to stick together.
because she still wants power over men. That's her only reasoning. Don't be fooled.
Because feminism is necessary to protect women.
"Where Byonce goes, we follow", why ?
That's humour btw
I don't think and marriage reform made over the last two hundred years has strengthened the institution. On balance, some reforms did more good than bad, but they all weakened the institution. Marriage is an economic union, primarily for bringing up children.
Perhaps it is for a woman it is an economic union. For the man, I don't know what the hell it is other than a major bait and switch game in which he is likely the big loser.
We've been saying this for decades Louise. Welcome to the Right.
@@vivienneb6199 Are you a crazy liberal trash leftist?
@@vivienneb6199 Hell for a woman is a ridiculous bodycount then sitting alone in a clinic while the sweaty quotidian snigger.
@@vivienneb6199 I identify as one when going through a custody hearing
It was always about making life better. money is just one aspect of it. Marriage is a symbol. Basically a promise saying -> I am ready to build my life with you and dedicate myself to keep understanding and knowing you regardless of the hardship life may throw at us. I will be there for you and the family we will create.
Your couple is what you make of it. Living with someone does not mean you know them. Truly knowing and loving someone require dedication and commitment. If you don't put time and effort into your relation it will never last. Specially today where divorce is so easy to achieve.
Thank you when a female ain't present or doesn't tell you I'm goons give us a chance how would he know to wait calmly and to stay healthy.
But it's too often saying, I am a narcissistic bully, who needs a partner to create toxic drama with.
A MESSAGE TO WOMEN
You all need to start fighting for the divorce laws, child custody laws, domestic violence laws and false accusations laws to be made fairer to men.
Seriously.
They're not going to. They would have to give up all of the power they are given under the current system.
@@Hammerhead137 of course, but at the same time, the current system is creating incentives for men not to marry at all
@@plouf1969 solutions, anyone?
Don’t forget paternity testing at birth
@@BC-vg3zf definitely!
Men will not get married anymore child zupport debter prison
The fact that we don't make education of our youth an important issue we are going to have the least educated people of the next few generations. Somewhere along the way some forgot what it means to teach boys to be strong and responsible Men and to teach our young girls to be strong and responsible women because without that we don't have a future and as a result immigration will be a major factor in the moving forward. Because instead of education of our own youth we are going to import people from the third world to work in Fields our own youth are not interested in working because they became too soft and delicate.
-“I’m bored” says the housewife to then go work for her own money slaving away all day and tired out 😂
-“He’s controlling” says the housewife to go be controlled by her boss 😂
-“he isn’t loving” says the housewife to then watch Netflix with her cats alone 😂
-“he’s lazy” says the housewife to find she doesn’t have her man to fix things around the house 😂
-“all he wants is s€x” says the housewife to end up buying a toy on Amazon 😂
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I'm waiting for feminists to applaud because I never oppressed women.
Never married and no children.
@@SeattlePioneer "Never married and no children"? See: Rise of the Sheconomy. Morgan Stanley Investment Firm of New York is predicting by 2030, about 40% of women of child bearing age in advanced countries, will be single and childless. Invest in cat litter. Not working out for them.
@@kmc1872 we all know "controlling" means no girls night out or sleepovers at men's houses
@@kmc1872 trouble is I doesn’t matter what he does,she will never be satisfied ever,so the best thing to do crack on and satisfy yourself solo
This.
It is what women wanted. What they demanded. Changing their mind is too late. The men have gone.
yep, I tend to agree with that. The smart ones have gone, the others are living in pain.
Who has the stats on the third of people who 'regret divorce' - i wonder if that's mostly men or women? 🤔
Perry does. She may not have wanted to tell us.
If either partner can impose divorce on the other spouse, without his or her consent, and on no grounds at all, halving his/her income and wealth, without penalty or the requirement to compensate the other spouse, then marriage does not exist.
I agree with that. I express it as follows:
If either party, at any time, for any reason or no reason at all can get a divorce, then marriage has been abolished.
We should, however, be glad that women have a powerful desire to be "Queen For a Day" at their own wedding, because without that feminists would have been pushing for expansive common law marriages that allow them all the legal privileges of marriage without being married at all.
If increasing number of men refuse marriage, I expect that to become a political issue anyway. Fuck a woman, or perhaps even kiss one, and they will want to claim all the perqs that currently go with marriage.
@@SeattlePioneer I totally agree. If divorce is an option you haven't been married in the first place.
As for your future outlook, you are totally right again. When the feminists are done men will avoid women like they're contagious.
@@hanswurscht6625 a lot of it is what happens before you marry. First we call having casual sex, having a fuck. We took the most private parts of the human body and simply called it having a fuck. We told 15-16 year olds to experiment. We've got men who've run through double digit women by the time they get married. Arguably, it's turned out worse for the women whose sexual nature is generally ignored in that arrangement. But it turns out fantastic for the men who come with a conquer as many as possible mentality. Or for the Hugh Hefner's of the world, who wanted to turn the female body into a moneymaker.
Then we told young boys and girls that it was okay to touch and experiment before they got married. So instead of letting young people start something special and enchanting with each other. Letting them discover each other's personalities and values etc. We encouraged them (especially young men) to objectify women. So when they did marry, they married a fucktoy not a wife.
Then we told them that sex several times a week was ideal. So instead of taking a break from physicality for a couple of days each month to refresh their marriage. They fucked until they got bored and then they divorced. Generally after he knocked her up once or twice.
If you want to avoid negative consequences. You have to encourage sexual values and relations between the sexes radically different then the ones society has now.
Marriage is beneficial to society, government, women and children - but not for men. For them it's slavery,
Slavery in what sense? That they can’t have sex with multiple people? How would it be any less slavery for women? Statistically women are the ones who much more to lose - they are beat and killed by men at a much higher rate than the other way around. Seems like a restriction of unlimited freedoms for men being called slavery is a bit dramatic. Many times when we make a choice to limit our freedoms and commit to something it’s because there is a benefit to it- married men are healthier- they have more sex, they often have domestic labor taken care of. It’s hard for me to see what men think is so god awful about marriage besides not having sex with many different people without consequence. (Don’t cite divorce statistics as to why marriage itself is “slavery” for men, but somehow wouldn’t be for women)
My ex gf, an educated woman from an affluent family, often used to say that men are obsolete and only distract women from their careers.
They want to be men so bad 😭
Wow. You dated her? She sounds like a cold 🥶, bitter fish 🐠
What age was she? If she was in university or just out of it, that explains it. Once you hit late 20’s and early 30’s this often changes. Before that everyone tells you you have to focus on school, not boys, and it’s looked down upon to have kids or be married in early 20’s. People tell women they are throwing away their lives.
@@Firenmage433 what's wrong with women focusing on their career? Men can be stay at home dads you know
Nothing wrong with women focusing on careers. Men can so why can't women? Also men can be stay at home dads you know 😂
We need to have a law to have all men reaching the age of 18 mandated to spend a day in the divorce court.
Problem solved;)
Having had a few friends slaughtered in the divorce court I hear you.. My barely drinks, never taken drugs friend with a heart of gold who adored his children was apparently a raging alcoholic druggie with a violent wife beating temper...
@@dannicatzer305 yeap, dude I know is in the middle of it rn. Exact same thing. That happens a lot.
Men AND women.
Funk-ing facts!
@Danni Catzer I have a bud I went through to jury trials with him after his wife got pissed he would not chauffeur his in-laws around so she got a SWAT team called on him. No BS. All the responding officer had to do was a background check on her first and would have seen she had three prior arrests for DV
I've been in a partnership for 30yrs, not married, 7 kids. had our troubles some serious but still together. seen married friends divorce but what I have seen, in the next generation is an unwillingness to take up marriage, especially amongst men
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That is the smart and prudent decision for men.
I swore off marriage and children at age 19, in 1969. Best decision ever.
What amazes me is the number of men who continue to opt into the burdens and pains of marriage and children.
WHY do they do it?
Why?
@@SeattlePioneer they want their legacy to continue through their kids?
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Seems like the government is anxious to continue it's legacy through people's children.
In other words if u don't have to stick together u won't what a surprise don't fall for the fraud of rings fellas there is lots of advantages for her but none for u
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Marriage / Radical monogamy ( haha I loved that ) has many advantages in my mind when it works, absolutely zero, in fact negative for Men when it doesn't
@@justinsherrell6004 What are the benefits exactly of marriage if the marriage is working?
@@Antipodean33 I'm guessing you have never been married / partnered with someone who has both complimented and supported you. Working as a team of 2 can produce the results of 3. Add children to the mix and this and, in my experience, can be a most uplifting purposeful way of living. Time doesn't lie , we have been doing this for a while now.
@@justinsherrell6004 well youve been INSANELY lucky thats all
These comments are in line with The Scottish Family Party’s thinking. Moral/honest debate.
Empty egg cartons force modern women to review their earlier decisions. Men are becoming too jaded by women’s nonsense to care anymore. Bicycles don’t need fish either.
In usa, one party gets the house, alimony, savings, child support, tax return, children, life insurance policy and dog. The other party gets all the bills. That is why marriage is ending. That silly piece of paper means nothing, only to the government.
Why is it only a problem if women are adversely affected? Our society has an empathy gap - women receive far more empathetic treatment than men do!
Yes. That's a huge problem, which governments and news media apparently have no interest in addressing. And yet, the basic security of our society depends much more on men than on women (look at the Ukraine).
most modern women are incapable of empathy. they'll kill their babies and can't understand a man even when he's told her everything she needs to know in childishly simple terms for decades.
Empathy gap. I like that.
When my buddies can't find a good women because they're out partying until 30 no one cared. Now they're looked at as not real men because they won't pick up the trast.
Men are disposable in feminism
You might not understand how angry the movement has become
Like butcher marrying the cow. As long as divorce the way it is what man would. Single mother raised traumatised type
In 1969, at age 19, I observed the plague of divorce taking place, which has continued unabated ever since. I resolved at that time never to marry or have children. Just not worth the risk of social and financial disaster for me as a man.
Of course, women often receive a financial bonanza from divorce, the bill for which is paid by men.
At age 72, that has proven to be my best decision ever.
I am 64. At still 17 I endured the total wrath of a feminist English Professor in my first term at the University of Florida. I noticed then, the entire population of women was either like her or becoming like her at a rapid rate. I've never got married and am happy to say I escaped getting divorce graped.
Well i see a lot of single mothers who just have men walk away without paying anything for their children.
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Probably can't remember the names of the men they slept with.
1969, eh? Wow, that's when my father's first divorce took place. Interesting even though they should never have married to begin with or stayed married for a decade. Who am I to talk though, my first marriage was 7 years, and it also should never have happened.
And what of posterity? Don't you want to continue your fathers' bloodline?
She said that "when It's hard to divorce people tend to stick with it" . At the same moment everywhere in the Christian world, women are benefited from divorce and can easily break the marriage.
The person who initiates a divorce is NOT the person who files the papers. The person who ends the marriage, is the one who is first to violate his/her marriage vows
@@chriswatson1698 lol, you may want to re-think this statement. Two top reasons for divorce are infidelity and finances. I looked up the vows, it says nothing about infidelity and it actually says " for richer and for poorer", completely invalidating your argument. Top reason of financial straits causing divorce is against a central tenet of "marriage vows". Quite literally the person "who files" ends the marriage. Faulty logic CHRIS.
@@allanluis3696 Wrong. It is your logic that is faulty. And my marriage vows, which were the standard Anglican service, most certainly included a promise of lifelong fidelity. We both promised to "keep me only unto thee, as long as we both shall live". Marriage is a contract between two people. You can't claim to be fulfilling the contract if you are violating its terms. When only one of the participants is keeping his or her promise, then the marriage does not exist, regardless of whether the papers have been filed or not.
@@chriswatson1698 I see how you avoided THE MAIN THRUST of my argument. I spent most of my response talking about FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES being a leading factor for divorce. You have not addressed this argument. TRY AGAIN CHRIS!
@@allanluis3696 The Anglican wedding ceremony includes the words, spoken only by the man: "all my worldly goods I thee endow". I have noticed that in the fictional American weddings seen on TV shows, there are no actual vows at all. The statements that the characters refer to as "vows" are just assurances of love in the present.
Research in Australia shows that women do not benefit financially from divorce unless the husband is particularly rich. While both parties take a drop in wealth, after divorce, the men quickly recover financially. The women do not, until they re-partner.
Men have taken the rational decision that marriage is not for then, all these men have done is performed a risk/benefit analysis and decided that marriage/family life is not for them as they see no benefit in it for them, if anything it puts everything they worked long and hard to build in jeopardy, as the courts system is totally biased against them. They see the winning move is not to play the game. The only reason Louise Perry is advocating for marriage is that the feminists see all the resources that single men represent walking away from them. If a man isn't married he doesn't have to work himself to death, not having to support the debt burden of a married household.
@@kmc1872 It is what was expected of them by society, that they put in all of the hours god sends, plus overtime, and then get moaned at that they are never home.
@@kmc1872 I don’t think anybody wants to be alone if they can help it. Women use to know they needed men, now they think they don’t
She didn't make a 'feminist' case for marriage. She made a traditionalist case for marriage.
I'm not sure if there is a 'feminist' case for marriage, although there absolutely is a case against marrying a feminist.
There's more so absolutely a case against agreeing to any government contracts.
That is correct 💯. I wouldn't marry a feminist if she was the last women on the planet or the prettiest women.
I divorced and carried huge guilt as my boys were 8 and 10.
They're now in their forties, straight and live with "partners" but have no children.
Whereas my 3 siblings who stayed married, are all grandparents with one a multiple great-grandparent.
So either my sons' lack of both marriage and children is autosomal dominant genetics or learned (my very bad example).
My point is that it isn't the fact that easier divorce devalued marriage, it's the effect of living through parents divorcing that has soured the idea of marriage for children....and it's also an experience they're then loath to pass on so they don't have children.
Yes. I feel bad about this.
I'm sorry to hear that, I pray God blesses you.
I deeply don't feel bad for you in the slightest after hearing that..was your choice nobody forced you
@@gabbyafter7473 How would you know anything about the circumstances of someone else's divorce?
@@ratusbagus i guess that came out wrongly..sorry...but it's just how i felt
Divorce shouldn't be made harder. We shouldn't be marrying ie. contracting with each other and state from an emotional stand point.. How many contracts do you sign while high on your own supply?
Excellent point. Indeed.
Til death do you part ... How you arrange that separation I will leave to your imagination!
In other words, marriage is secretly better for women but it's taboo to say so.
Statistically it is only better for men to be married
Statistically the happiest people are single childless women
@@wyleecoyotee4252 if marriage is bad for women why aren't feminists trying to reform or abolish marriage? Where are the websites warning women about these statistics you mention and advising women that they are happiest single?
@@richardnorth1881
Why waste time and energy to abolish something when it's easier just to not take part in it?
Educated motivated women already know about this and it's a choice for many. It's the tradcon men and a few midwest girls who are trying to scare women into marriage.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 again, Louise Perry asks them leftist progressive women like you...why you are the biggest demographic to get married?
Marriage is soo soo bad...and yet liberal people are more likely to get married. Why is that?
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Married women reporting unhappiness more doesn't equate to them actually being unhappy.
Men are discentivized to open about their feelings and say their marriages fail. Men's masculinity and worth as a partner is measured by how well they're able to keep a family intact. That could explain why men report less rates of unhappiness.
For a man, marriage is an unconscionable contract.
Incentives? How about mandatory paternity test and abolishment of alimony and no funds split?
Plus men should have signature approval over a wife's decision for abortion if the child is biologically his. (he should get at least this for marrying)
"When divorce is more difficult, people tend to stick with it"
Case closed.
beta male
Or not engage.
It's not a positive situation if people can't leave a marriage that isn't working. Most married people are miserable. Would you force that on them for the rest of their lives?
@@vivienneb6199 abusive spouse doesn't fall under "no fault divorce". you need to do some more reading up on the subject.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 no one forced them to get married.
@@vivienneb6199 just as wives get away with spousal abuse every singe day. Men struggle to prove they are being abused too.
No fault is less expensive? than what? how so? that's the best argument you have?
No fault is not necessary, and you haven't given me a single reason why it is other than declaring your baseless opinions as facts.
Quick question. Why should men care, or even risk their safety, for a society that treats them either as a joke, a disposable resource, an afterthought, an inconvenience, or a threat?
Thank you for your kind, sensible, and courteous reply.
dont forget that if that man is also white he's fair game for ''new racism'' across the globe
Freddy G. Absolutely agree with you. Respect is earned, it's not a given for those who think they're more special than anyone else, so feel entitled to abuse anyone who doesn't agree with what they learned at University.
@Dreddy G they shouldn't. You aren't allowed to opt out, you'll basically be destroyed if you try and resist it, it's too late to stop it, so hasten the demise.
These types on this video, the woman, is trying to save herself. It's going to be rough, but until the majority of women are in a situation where their current denial of reality and biting the hand that feeds them becomes deadly, things won't change.
It's going to be sad. You are going to see lots of kids roaming around like feral dog packs, women eating out of dumpsters and death (this is common in third world countries, coming here soon).
Society doesn't respect men for the good works they do and obligations they uphold. It is expected of men so no acknowledgement or respect is given. Ask a guy today if he's recently received a compliment for simply being a decent fella. Pretty much no man gets complimented anymore unless he's done major productive work. It's expected, as always.
Men are wising up to this extremely poor deal. Even the lady here; she probably 28+ now and wants marriage for all the benefits she would receive, yet hasn't given a thought to what would be the benefits her husband would receive beyond obligation, responsibilities, and accountability to her and the family. And think about it, a husband isn't even entitled to sex in a marriage today. So what's the point?
Why should men care about what? Are you referring to marriage or society itself?
Modern Women are free to do what they want. And they do.
Men get screwed and women skip off into the sunset.... with everything!
A man is better off staying single in this day and age
with the very occasional one-night...if he ever finds that opportunity
Six point five per thousand are committing to marriage. Slice and dice it any which way you please, but forty to eighty is a long time when all you got at home is box wine and cat litter.
If strong and independent, a life alone is not all that bad, is it?
as long as you dont mind ''leaving'' by your own means when you get old and/or sick
Totally not worth it....the greatest curse you can endure is the "rich life" without a family to spend it with... you're gonna grow old with lots of money but alone..... and you know it deep down when no one truly got your back...buttom line....the west needs to restructure their marriage laws
@@gabbyafter7473 Women do not stay with men long term......so what is this fantasy that you will not be alone?
@@toddjohnson271 Don't be funny sir/ma grandparents spend more than 5 decades together..my parents are on their third decade.... it's only in your society that I'm hearing such horrific events of women leaving marriage after 7 years 🤮🤮 .. what's the point of "till death us part" if you can't stay for half a century through the hardest and sweetest moment.. it's definitely not a rollercoaster..ups and downs are a must.. it's the principle that bounds them together...as always you're not obliged to live your life base on my experience
@@gabbyafter7473 50% divorce rates....a coin flip. It is not MY reality, it is reality.
Any men advocating for marriage ?? Going on and on about it ?? How sad that there are no marriages ??
Any men telling other men it's so great you don't know what your missing ??
Any???
Anywhere??
No religious types need respond I know you have no choice
ask ANY guy and he will tell you that the ONLY point would be to ''make her smile during the party''
She’s very pretty. Probably a f*cking nightmare to live with.
It matters not how pretty a woman is. Someone somewhere is sick of her bullsh*t.
the pretty ones are the more dangerous of them all because they know they can get ANY man they want just with their looks
With women initiating diviorce 80% or more of the time; keeping the house chikdren what is the point for men getting married?
The person who files for divorce is NOT the person who ends the marriage. Marriages are ended by the spouse who is the first to violate his or her marriage vows, assuming that vows were made
Chris then wouldn’t the figures be more like 50:50?
@@youtubeyoutube936 We have no figures for the numbers of either sex that violate their marriage vows. I don't see why the numbers of people who file for divorce would be 50/50 by gender.
Why is petitioning F:M in the region of 80:20? If it is not representative of anything but just a whim then what is the point of men getting married? I’d say because the court system in Europe/ west favours the outcome of one party
@@youtubeyoutube936 Research in Australia shows that the custodial partner is always poorer than the partner who is free to invest in his earning capacity, free and unencumbered by child care responsibilities.
Marriage rates in the US, broadly, are declining because middle class men (and women) are earning far less than they were 50 years ago, according to government statistics.
At the same time, women have been given legal equality with men in seeking jobs and careers. Women, however, steer clear of professions like engineering, previously dominated by men. Only 20 percent of engineers are women. And, of course, most women prefer not to dig ditches or drop giant old growth trees in the Northwest US.
Most women also seem to prefer daddies as partners, whether these women were feminists when younger, or not.
So, we have a lot to consider. But this is 2023, and a lot has changed. Nevertheless, the primary reason preventing ongoing, positive change is an economy some refuse to or can't accept, creating a game in which more men won't or can't participate.
Interseting analogy from the Japanese side of the "Attack on Pearl Harbor"....
80% of divorces initiated by wmn who feel confused by Womenopause and think their partners are responsible for their feelings
@Tab Ford reality hurts?
@Tab Ford 🙄🤡
@Tab Ford touché
@Tab Ford But it is a fact that Women initiate the largest proportion of divorces
Louise Perry waffles - the distinction between marriage which tends to result in divorce at around 50% and cohabitation is equivocal. But, Perry claims that there are "rights." she also claims that marriage is important to the children. No differentiation between marriage and cohabitation of couples is drawn nor any reference to married couples with children and couples who have children outside of marriage. The differences are not clear except that some people have the "conviction" that marriage is necessary. So, what is motivating marriage? Tax breaks? Right to property and inheritance? Rights to assets upon divorce? Chance at custody or visitation upon divorce? Are these the kinds of reasons we should consider valid? Perry also brings up the apparent contradiction from liberals who she claims advance divorce but also tend to marry and stay married, but she offers no reason for this motivation!
What Perry is doing is claiming that everyone 'ought' to get married, but it is unclear why other than to reap the tax break. Aren't there many relationships between the genders where marriage is impractical and instead a form of subjection, for example, people who do not have children, people who are too old to have children? Why people who are less wealthy tend not to get married, is not addressed by Perry, she merely persuades everyone into marriage. As a result everything Perry claims is necessary is nothing but opinion. Underlying her hubris is the main issue: marriage is big business based on traditional obligations, marriage is not about love or friendship as clearly evidenced in the divorce statistics and its sequelae, namely the conflicts over custody, visitation and child support and/or alimony payments. What I wonder about is why can't people be friends instead of entering legal contracts.
Do as I say not as I do. Liberal irony
If divorce isn't easily obtained, women could be trapped in an abusive relationship.
How do we know that it's Marriage that makes couples stick together, and not that couples likely to stick together are also more likely to get married? No one seems to ask that question in this debate. Correlation is not Cause!!
Marriage is a contract.
Women today have broken that contract all too often because they no longer desire their husband. Desire has never been the foundation of marriage or in LTR's. If women are so empathetic towards the effects of divorce on children, then why are most divorces filed by women? I've witnessed more marriages where the man is trying his hardest to make the woman happy, but nothing suffices. Divorces almost entirely is biased against the man and his assets. I've seen many divorced women, in short order, move on to another man and/or back to the party scene for the "fun times" while the men proceed with their life progress career/financial wise. Why are women more effected financially by divorce? Because too many of them either don't work or work lower paying jobs AND don't manage their money as well.
I've worked with many women over the years, more in the recent past. Only a few women were actually skill qualified for their job positions vs the men. Many women get the jobs that they're less qualified for because of their gender. HR depts and the beta/simps are there to support the women only. Men, regardless of how much more qualified they are, how much more productive they are, don't get considered for higher positions because society, government, and women want women to get those promotions even if it means the job is not done as well. Businesses, in the end, suffer the fallout of this as productivity goes down. More men will continue to extract themselves from a rigged work environment and refuse to do the work that the women were hired to do but can't do.
And everything they get involved in ie. army,navy,police,fire brigade,construction,and lots more,they fuck it up want to change the dynamics to there woke weak ways,most of them full of bullshit and then blame anyone apart from themselves for there shortcomings
"Only a few women were actually skill qualified for their job positions vs the men."
The massive over-representation of feminist female teachers, in our education systems in the West, have been grading girls higher than boys for decades now, to give them an advantage over men in the job market later in life. There's amble evidence of that, plenty of research has been made, and there's lots of articles on the findings online.
Logic dictates that this is going to reveal itself when they get out there, especially as CEO's, and need that nobody male employer from accounting to follow them around everywhere, because they don't actually know what they're doing. Which curiously enough is one of the stories that are most prominent, when the topic of women in leading positions are brought up..
@@ErikDeMann I am old enough to remember when the education system and examinations where rigged in favour of boys. ( girls had to achieve higher pass marks)To blame
feminism for all the world's ills is simply unfair.
@@jodawson5268 Oh, well, I guess that makes everything allright then, doesn't it? It's not like anyone unfairly might call you all a bunch of fucking hypocrites then, is it?
Never mind the fact that none of your generation ever were oppressed in the West, by any conceivable standards, quite the contrary actually.
And never mind that none of the young boys in the education system today ever oppressed you or any of your ancestors.
It's all fine and dandy that you're doing the same thing you claim that men did, as long as you get your petty and infantile revenge over a group of children that wasn't even born, exactly like you weren't, either.
Because that's *all* that this is about, -Petty revenge for perceived slights, that didn't even happen to the last two or three generations of women, if ever.
You feminists make me want to puke.
You really are a revolting bunch of people, and completely oblivious to the fact that you've now become everything you set out to fight.
You should all be fucking ashamed of yourselves, for sanctioning this kind of biased hatred against your own boys, and you most of all, woman, for trying to defend a deeply psychotic justification like that.
How the fuck do you even sleep at night, let alone end up getting custody over your own boys after divorce, when you so obviously despise them, based on their genitals alone?
marriage is a bad deal for men. divorce favours women and they know it. women might have a couple of kids with their husband and divorce them 10 years in. they get half the assets and control of when their husband can see the kids. this is so common and men are now aware of it. why should a man who's worked hard to do well have to give half away.
I always ask this question alot and came to the conclusion thay western marriage system was setup to fail
Doesn't sound like a feminist case for marriage. It's a feminist making a case for traditional marriage.
The Feminist Case For Marriage. Brilliant satire! Well done, and if you believe that, pull this one-it’s got bells on.
I like the way she hypersexually smacks her lips every time she speaks. If I was married I'd like to have an affair with her.
So, marriage isn't good for women?
@@joelvonthrum8658 I think he means it's still rich coming from a feminist. The benefits or drawbacks of marriage for women are a different point.
@@therespectedlex9794 fair enough
Seriously-what guy would proactively choose to marry a modern feminist? How could that possibly be a benefit to any man alive?
Well done Louise! However, nothing new, other than a feminist saying it.
Get your sound engineer to sort out audio settings, ....... unless this is intended for insomniacs
I rather belive POOR men are suffering in divorce.
English women usually aren't gorgeous. How'd she get in?
Newsflash, wheather she knows it or not this woman is not a feminist.
The destruction of poor families leads to more dependency, which means more power for the scum who pretend to be compassionate by robbing Peter to pay Paul.
After listening to this whole interview, I do not know what the lady was saying. She said a whole lot of loud sounding nothings. I now feel less intelligent than before listening to her
Guys- avoid cohabiting or having children. The odds, and courts, are against you.
If women were not abandoned to try to mitigate and manage domestic abuse of 1) primary family 2) partner, then perhaps they could stay married. The social circumstance of abuse is like a chronic illness that sticks with someone over a lifetime or one never experiences it. So how do we manage abuse that is deadly or damaging?
Who are these women?
Have you ever met duplicitous and conniving women.
All it takes is one statement to flush years of hard work and having children together in a loving committed marriage; “I’m Not Happy.” And off to the Court SHE runs too to, which 80% Marriages are done by! Average marriage in the west lasts only 8.3 years.
No wonder why Men refuse to get married and commit, look at how women behave when it comes to this archaic institution.
Very Sad!
Are we not stating the blindingly obvious from a champagne drawing room
Maybe our great grandparents actually had it more right and, dare I say, a society built upon judeo-christian values was a pretty good idea on the whole?
Women fought to be free from men and marraige and now you're getting it
Couverture - in 1870s married women were granted control over their property and earnings. When will men be given the same rights? When will men no longer be held responsible for funding the family? Alimony, child support and family support/ social security are all funded overwhelmingly or primarily by men. If a m a n refuses to fund his wife's lifestyle that is deemed to be the crime of financial abuse, a form of domestic violence.
If you have not done 50% of the child care when the children were small and required constant attention, 24/7, then you owe your income to the person who has. Child care has adverse effects on a woman's earning power for the rest of her life. Even if she never does have children, her career opportunities are limited by the expectation that she will go off and care for a child at some time in the future.
It is her choice to have a child, he gets no legal choices. If she suffers a loss of earnings that is again a consequence of her choice. She could have married a man who earns less than she does, but very few women do that. If he earns less then it makes sense for him to do the child care not her. How many women give her partner the choice of being the primary carer? How many women give up her maternity leave so he can take it instead? Women being oppressed by their own choices and preferences - not by him!
Men have always had control over their property and earnings. When men do their fair share of the child care, then they can expect women to do their fair share of the breadwinning.
@@chriswatson1698
@@SeattlePioneer I agree that women should be paid as much as a man and that men should absorb 50% of the burden and inconvenience of satisfying the needs of children from birth. Haven't you noticed that few woman are having children at all, and those who do have a child, have only one.
Society is a community. The smallest form of community is a marriage - a community of two. A society made up of marriages will be better than one made up mostly of single people. A community made up of couple-communities will be in tune with itself.
Don't have many divorces in Saudi Arabia.
Women aren't able to divorce their husbands. They are not allowed to have their own careers. Without a way to support herself she is effectively enslaved. Islam only allows the man to divorce and he doesn't have to have any grounds.
@@chriswatson1698 just like the old days, till death do us part.
It seems to me that a lot of people are more interested in the wedding than the commitment. It would be hard for a Tory government to interfere in people's lives on the marriage front while saying they are against it in other areas.
Also this woman is not a feminist
I thought that was Isabel for a moment.
so wait does she wanna ban porn??
It's interesting that Ireland hasn't seen an 'explosion' of divorces since divorce was legalised there in the mid-1990s.
The solution to high divorce rates can't be to abolish divorce, it should be to better prepare people for marriage and educate them on the benefits of a good marriage.
That's very sensible. 👍👍👍👍
You say people like it's the men divorcing
People respond to incentives and with the laws written the way they are, women are incentivized to divorce.
delusional. without limits on divorce, and incentivizing one party to divorce, it will never work overall for society as a whole.
Yeah and Ireland has a lot of support for raising children. No need to stress over making money when the government looks after its people.
why would men get married when they have no right and there is a 99.99% chance they loose everything and a 99.99999% they get blamed for everything while women never are held responsible for their actions???
No liberation is for everyone!! changs of any kind favor some, and put others in disadvantage
Just to share -
- The baby in the worm has it's heart beating (hence, it's similar to murder/ killing of life. It's FAR from any characteristics of a tumor✌🏽 )
- Termination of pregnancy for medical/psychological & other unfortunate circumstances are ofcos considered as mother's life & well-being is
priority...
- Having unprotected sex for pleasure & getting oneself pregnant from it, is simply irresponsible... also shows how one has no value to life & very
disrespectful to creation itself... (putting morals aside)
One should be extremely clear & careful on this matter... the consequences are far greater that many can imagine 😅
God bless 🙏🏽
If Sweden is like Norway, you have heritage right if you have children together. You don’t have anything if don’t have children.