Louise Perry | The Case for Having Kids | NatCon UK

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  • @timsargent5202
    @timsargent5202 Год назад +28

    Louise Perry has put her finger on the biggest challenge we face as a species: that we have embraced a culture that is hostile to children, motherhood and families. And she also has put her finger on the direction forward: we must change this culture by exploding the myth that all traditional institutions are evil and wrong. Brava Louise!

    • @cevanille1104
      @cevanille1104 Год назад

      The culture is hostile to women.

    • @vira1340
      @vira1340 Год назад

      Culture hostile to having children because is hostile to men. feminists like Louise Perry are responsible for this. Women can have all the kids they want. Keep men out of it No sane man should get married or have a long term relationship given the divorce laws and the toxicity of modern women.

    • @kaybrown7733
      @kaybrown7733 4 месяца назад

      It is evil and wrong if it oprrsses people. We do not owe anyone our fertility. This thought process of controlling people because you think it's right is wrong in all cases.

  • @rdf5356
    @rdf5356 Год назад +21

    Absolutely brilliant speech! So few people can see the extent of the problem but Louise obviously can. Bravo

    • @lasttango7522
      @lasttango7522 5 месяцев назад +2

      Brilliant Louise. You made me think about previous practices my mum experienced after child birth. She was nursed for 14 days. I was discharged after 24 hrs. Feeling lost and alone.
      If my daughter has a baby I will ensure she definately has the traditional lying in time.

  • @fernandasampaio5902
    @fernandasampaio5902 Год назад +8

    Louise Perry's loveliness and brilliance is an inspiration. Thank you in the name of women and families everywhere.

    • @kaybrown7733
      @kaybrown7733 4 месяца назад

      Regurgitating right wing talking points is not brilliant. A monkey could do it.

  • @patriciaryan7066
    @patriciaryan7066 Год назад +7

    I was in the vanguard of the 70s feminism. Many of the women were heroic in challenging the unfairness, disrespect and discrimination that had pertained for centuries, the problem was that we had no template for women's equality, so we looked to male power patterns, believing that the only answer was to put on the jocks and play rugger with the boys!
    It took me two decades to realise that what we should have fought for was for equal support, respect and fairness for the essential work of bearing and raising the human race, without which all the other high status jobs would-be pointless and meaningless.

    • @BOZ_11
      @BOZ_11 Год назад

      "Many of the women were heroic in challenging the unfairness, disrespect and discrimination that had pertained for centuries"
      that's a gross misreading of history. if you think that women were oppressed the whole time leading up to the 60s, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Men looked after and were responsible for women. They did (and continue to do) all the back breaking work in society (construction, agriculture, factory work, fighting all the bloody wars). My problem with feminism is that it sounds exactly like a baby's whine, with its one-dimensionality

  • @abigaile1723
    @abigaile1723 Год назад +5

    Amazing, Louise! Can’t wait for the next book!

  • @ericlefevre7741
    @ericlefevre7741 Год назад +39

    When my sister gave birth to her first child, our mother drove 250 miles to the city she was in and stayed with her for over 3 months.
    My sister said it was the most positive and supporting action she has ever received.

  • @Cotictimmy
    @Cotictimmy Год назад +4

    A very lucid and coherent analysis of our predicament.

  • @nikobellic570
    @nikobellic570 Год назад +3

    About lying in. I watched a TV program about an elephant herd and the arrival of a newborn was greeted with such joy and celebration by the adult females!! Now I understand how important society and community took motherhood

  • @JimmyMFP
    @JimmyMFP Год назад +23

    5:58, to Louise's point that third wave feminism suggests that motherhood reduces the opportunities of women in their careers, I would point out that for women who choose to prioritise their familes - and ergo their children - that actually whilst it may restrict their opportunities in full-time work, women are today uniquely capable of treating their childrearing years a part-time career, whilst they also potentially choose voluntary or part-time work alongside. I would rather get by on one or one and a half incomes, than two incomes, if the difference is having children rather than going on more holidays per year. Motherhood is the noblest career to have.

    • @erikbrus8388
      @erikbrus8388 Год назад

      If women have 3 babies between 18-22 and then have a career it won't be a problem

    • @Madoldcatlady
      @Madoldcatlady Год назад +9

      First we have to get rid of the stigma that exists of women who are content to put their children and family first. Who are content to just be mothers and housewives. Currently, there’s a culture of thinking less of these women.

    • @viviennedunbar3374
      @viviennedunbar3374 Год назад +1

      ⁠@@Madoldcatlady for a start we need to not say they are “just” mothers and housewives. That is immediately stigmatizing.

    • @Madoldcatlady
      @Madoldcatlady Год назад +1

      @@viviennedunbar3374 fair enough, but that is not at all how I meant it. I worked from the age of 15 yrs till I married at 27 yrs old. I WAS a stay at home mother! I AM still a housewife, but I am many other things besides. I had many job and I always said it was the hardest job of all.
      The stigma comes from people thinking there’s something wrong with us if we prefer to bring up our own children or don’t need to or feel the need to work. Not every woman has that luxury though. My husband has a good job, but very long and odd hours. One of us needed to be the anchor and it was me. I’ve always been content to do it, but, others have made me feel "less" for doing so.

    • @jscullyandmulderx25
      @jscullyandmulderx25 Год назад +1

      It's fine if that's what you want to do. It's fine if you have a husband that can make to support this. The problem is alot of families don't have that luxury. Oh between 18 to 22yrs really? The problem is owner and bosses not keeping up with the price of living.

  • @KevinArdala01
    @KevinArdala01 Год назад +19

    Finally someone focusing on the genuine issues we face as a society...

  • @farcemask8729
    @farcemask8729 7 месяцев назад +2

    Very good. This is what "interpreting the signs of the times" looks like.

  • @bergeracvandamme
    @bergeracvandamme Год назад +14

    It's great to see some actual conservativism again. Keep up the awesome work!

  • @megazero952
    @megazero952 Год назад +3

    thank you

  • @LC-yb9rz
    @LC-yb9rz Год назад +10

    It's not having kids that a case needs to be made for. Plenty of women WANT more kids than they have. But they've already got, say, two. And from that they've learned that every baby sentences them to 2-3 years of the most dreadful isolation. That there's no help. That caring for a baby means neglecting your older children. That you can spend 2-3 years recovering from a pregnancy-induced hernia, be barely able to lift your own baby (much less keep up with your laundry and clean your floors), and this doesn't entitle you to any help or sympathy from anybody. "You're the one who wanted kids. Deal with it. *I* went back to work two weeks after you were born." Grandparents are far away and feel no obligation to help. Your neighbors are people you don't know. Your husband is away at work most days. You're absolutely on your own. But hey, being a mom, greatest job in the world, right? Right??.... right?
    No, it f*****g sucks.
    A case needs to be made for reviving a culture where women help each other, where homes are large enough to accommodate extended family groupings-- grandmothers, spinster aunties, even teenage cousins-- where you aren't seen as a useless human wasting your life if you *don't* hold down a fulltime job or have a "career" but instead devote a large amount of time to your household and the children in it. Where women dropping in "to visit" each other is a normal thing, not a big production that has to be planned out two weeks in advance. A case needs to be made for re-orienting culture toward the raising, protecting, and nurturing of children-- even for people who haven't got any children. Make childrearing something *other* than a prison sentence, and I guarantee women will have more children.

    • @mjh277
      @mjh277 Год назад +2

      Yeah it was called Christianity

    • @sofiabravo1994
      @sofiabravo1994 10 месяцев назад +1

      It doesn’t suck your attitude does.

    • @TheYoli182
      @TheYoli182 8 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@sofiabravo1994Both things can be true at the same.

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever 27 дней назад

      @@mjh277 Very well then, make it the liter 7 day creation believable to all, or forget about it.

  • @nathanngumi8467
    @nathanngumi8467 Год назад +7

    Great speech!

  • @GairikGhosh
    @GairikGhosh Год назад +8

    The erosion of the extended family and grandparent care arising in part from a self centred worldview is also to blame.

  • @LeonApricus
    @LeonApricus Год назад +7

    Maybe we need an economic system that isnt a ponzi scheme.

    • @jscullyandmulderx25
      @jscullyandmulderx25 Год назад +1

      Explain the ponzi scheme? I can guess Pension or other programs. Hey maybe Very Wealthy could pay Taxes! But we get Ponzi scheme. Never mind Lawful gambling Wallstreet.

    • @LeonApricus
      @LeonApricus Год назад

      @@jscullyandmulderx25 The stock market price is only pushed up because there are more people buying stocks each year because of population growth. When population declines and the ponzi scheme of more buyers coming in to buy is gone the stock market will crash.

  • @vanessajanik4623
    @vanessajanik4623 10 месяцев назад +1

    Can’t have progress without motherhood. No more babies, no more future for society. It’s a slow crumble. She’s right on the money 👏🏼👏🏼

  • @alastairhunter353
    @alastairhunter353 Год назад

    Thank you

  • @alfredpetrie7920
    @alfredpetrie7920 3 месяца назад +1

    I'm 65,I never had Kids possibly become I came from a broken family and was possibility terrified the same miserable pattern would repeat itself on a child,notwithstanding that I abused alchohol from 16 till I was 39,possibly due to my own painful background.To the future I travel

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever 3 месяца назад

      This is what some conservatives miss. They keep ignoring the people who had kids they don't want, because they were told that having kids are a must. Some people are opting out in order to break the cycle of dysfunctional families.

    • @FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij
      @FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij 15 дней назад +1

      @skylinefever
      Or some just don’t want to have children..just because!
      Although I believe motherhood/stay at home parents are highly noble, important jobs!

  • @thelimey351
    @thelimey351 Год назад +1

    This was excellent. ✔

  • @AyakoTachi
    @AyakoTachi Год назад +2

    Excellent. I also recommend Darrell Bricker and John Ibbitson (demographers) on this topic

  • @bensanderson7144
    @bensanderson7144 Год назад +21

    I think it’s too late. She wants to hit the brakes on modernity .. but there’s no brakes on this train. Women are going to literally choke to death on feminism

    • @luisdawnfinder3188
      @luisdawnfinder3188 Год назад

      Modernity is fundamentally incompatible with anything that can last

    • @chrisa5631
      @chrisa5631 Год назад

      It's coming to the point where the only solution is for trans to have wombs surgically implanted in them and produce the next generation.This is crazy fantasy and I dont believe in the trans movement but not enough women are having kids.

    • @LuisCarruthers
      @LuisCarruthers Год назад

      And will convert en masse to Islam.

    • @JeffCaplan313
      @JeffCaplan313 Год назад +3

      Isn't that one of their top kinks? 🤔 Seems like a win-win situation...

    • @LuisCarruthers
      @LuisCarruthers Год назад +1

      @@JeffCaplan313 "Their" top kinks? Who are they?

  • @alfredpetrie7920
    @alfredpetrie7920 3 месяца назад

    Great speech

  • @stevesmith3990
    @stevesmith3990 11 месяцев назад

    What a brilliant speech. Every MP should see this but all they are interested in is getting re elected and not actually doing anything useful.

  • @alfredpetrie7920
    @alfredpetrie7920 3 месяца назад

    I didn't know how to be a Father mine's left home at 7 and went USA when I was 10 and made no contact.He ceased to mean anything me.As much contempt I have there isn't a day goes by I don't think about him and he is 21 years gone.That is just what this life serves up sometimes.I will survive

  • @alfredpetrie7920
    @alfredpetrie7920 3 месяца назад

    Very brave Woman

  • @asecmimosas4536
    @asecmimosas4536 5 месяцев назад

    One thing I strongly agree about is that reversal of falling birth rates is the gold mine that will define the powers of tomorrow.
    "The first group of people that can crack this problem, will have the world before them. Let it be us."
    And this will be, for me a mid-20s man, well within our lifetime. I will be in my mid-40s, God willing, when the babies born today enter the workforce, and the military. For the country that turns the tide, and has many of those, it will be an empire defining advantage.

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever 3 месяца назад

      Much of Africa has high birth rates. I guess if we bring back subsistence farming and make children the only pension, every country will have high birth rates.

  • @ottofrinta7115
    @ottofrinta7115 Год назад +3

    Wow. No conservative speech has given my libertarian mind so much to think about as this one.
    She nailed it. Absolutely nailed it.

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever 3 месяца назад

      This is why I found Distributist Dave interesting. He reviewed Bioshock and explained why it was a huge joke about Ayn Rand. One point he made was how Ayn Rand had no children and that Galt's Gulch was not known to have children. That couldn't be sustained.

  • @erpollock
    @erpollock Год назад +3

    When women joined the workforce, prices for all goods and services, especially housing, doubled, because of the assumption of two incomes. The economy has doubled the cost of living due to women working full time jobs. This is highly detrimental to our long term health as a nation. It is the cyanide in the kasava. Louise Perry's address was brilliant. Elizabeth Warren pointed out the economic costs of a two income family - otherwise I agree with her on nothing. Advantage is taken of additional wage earners.

    • @johnisaacfelipe6357
      @johnisaacfelipe6357 Год назад

      giving women the vote was such a massive mistake.

    • @FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij
      @FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij 15 дней назад +1

      Yeah that’s true and because taking advantage of the now 2 incomes that’s possible amongst families, inflation has risen including house prices etc
      So having said that-If one of the aims of feminism/getting women into the workforce WASN’T to dismantle nuclear family/have children raised out of the home, then how come MOTHERS or SAHP still aren’t paid for their labour?!
      Yes it mightn’t fix issue of inflation but would certainly benefit women who do not wish to work outside the home, and would prevent them forcing themselves due to economic pressure..! 2024 and this hasn’t been brought up by any ‘conservative’ Our western gov are cons!

  • @victoriahigman6802
    @victoriahigman6802 3 месяца назад

    Unfortunately the relatives are either too far away as we see the habits of movement around the country as a right, or they are out at work!!

  • @boldertash
    @boldertash Год назад +2

    No kids means no future and massive poverty in a very short time for All

  • @jjclauslegos1999
    @jjclauslegos1999 Год назад +1

    how'd they get Hera to speak at a conservative conference?

  • @easternwind4435
    @easternwind4435 Год назад +10

    Why does there have to be a case for it? It's what healthy organisms do, if they don't they're maladaptive and die out. It should be the default to have kids and anyone who claims to not want them should be viewed with strong suspicion.

    • @jumblestiltskin1365
      @jumblestiltskin1365 Год назад

      They tend to be the ones calling themselves "progressive".

    • @tgbrfvolik
      @tgbrfvolik Год назад +1

      You just made a case for it.

    • @easternwind4435
      @easternwind4435 Год назад +2

      @@tgbrfvolik I really made more a case against the opposing position

    • @ChefEarthenware
      @ChefEarthenware Год назад

      If someone refuses to have children because of "climate change", aren't we better off not having their mutations in the gene pool?

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever Год назад

      Good, then encourage the maladaptives to stop breeding. I often joke that if the Idiocracy stopped breeding, what would be lost?

  • @09cutie0pie
    @09cutie0pie Год назад +7

    The problem is, lyin-in takes women away from the workforce. There are some women who would see that as oppressive and fight against it. And the current western economy doesn’t benefit from losing labour for a month on a large scale. Also, the nuclear family works best in a capitalist system, because an extended one (with female kin close by) would mean people have to rely on getting local jobs they are qualified for and can support them and their families, all the while being there for the mother post birth. I guess there needs to be a balancing act in the end, there will always be tradeoffs.

    • @erikbrus8388
      @erikbrus8388 Год назад +1

      If women have 3 babies between 18-22 and then have a career it won't be a problem

    • @JeffCaplan313
      @JeffCaplan313 Год назад +1

      You mean the years they're riding the CC in college?

    • @viviennedunbar3374
      @viviennedunbar3374 Год назад +2

      @@erikbrus8388 How many men between 18-35 are prepared to be husbands and fathers? Virtually none. A big problem is women who want to be married and have children young finding any men who would cooperate. Don’t suggest older men as no father or mother I know would hand their daughter off to a man a lot older than her, and most very young women find them physically repulsive anyway. Historically (I.e. from records from the Middle Ages onwards) the average age for marriage has been around 23 for women and 28 for men. It’s a myth that young women were marrying much older men, these were very much the anomalies, such as aristocratic and otherwise very wealthy families who were trying to retain land and control. My daughters are 20 & 22, traditional Catholics and don’t find men much over 25 appealing. My nephew is engaged to be married and he and his bride are both 24.

    • @BOZ_11
      @BOZ_11 Год назад

      @@viviennedunbar3374 "How many men between 18-35 are prepared to be husbands and fathers? Virtually none."
      because the modern woman is an ersatz man. We're not gay

    • @sofiabravo1994
      @sofiabravo1994 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@viviennedunbar3374 I have two daughters and I have no problem with my daughter‘s one day dating over men as long as they are born against Christians know if you’re saying like my daughters 19 and he’s 50 that’s weird that’s definitely weird but if she’s in her 20s and he’s in his 30s or late 30s. I don’t think that’s a problem at all people make age such a big deal when men and women are different women mature sexually a lot faster and we have a biological clock and men’s biological clock last a little longer so there’s a balance and I would rather have my daughter be with a man who has some experience in life and is able to guide her and take care of her

  • @dogsandyoga1743
    @dogsandyoga1743 28 дней назад

    I'm a parent, but FTK 😂

  • @blafonovision4342
    @blafonovision4342 Год назад

    Look at the world population curve over the past 2 centuries. There had to be a correction. We went into overshoot.

  • @DrJams
    @DrJams Год назад +16

    8:05 She almost got it. All feminism is bad. Its fundamental value is you don't need no man

    • @taylorjlee
      @taylorjlee Год назад

      The new Little Mermaid is all about that tenet

  • @searose6192
    @searose6192 Год назад +2

    Sorry Louise, but the first people to crack that problem will not be the UK or the US, it looks like it is going to be Hungary.

    • @erpollock
      @erpollock Год назад

      Israel has a good replacement number - Women have average 3 babies.

    • @rampage241
      @rampage241 3 месяца назад

      Hungary has a lower fertility rate than the USA. Their pro-natalist policies aren't reversing the trend.

  • @earth9531
    @earth9531 Год назад +6

    Because contraception is degeneracy. There, FIFY

  • @Jointknight
    @Jointknight Год назад +1

    unfortunately, nationalizing everything doesn't work. Only if it did we would be in better shape. But you can't, as you well know Louise, change people with external motications, unless those motivations are genuine. the reason for groups succeeding isn't the good things, it's the religion that binds the goodness and molds the hereditary and eventually biological values. And while we service evil corporations above all else , like BlackRock with our confidence it's at least a double headwind at very best.
    and further those same people, that you need for such, are quite opposed to your interests, because it is by traditional standards of religion against homosexuality and sexual well wishing ideals that makes them do what works. You cannot through idealism and compassion fix the inherent genetic reality of this issue.

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever Год назад +2

      Indeed. I often say that if people who don't want children don't fall into the trap of having them, the shitty parent gene goes extinct, and we lose nothing.

  • @jasonseng5463
    @jasonseng5463 Год назад +7

    Kids cost money. Therefore, i dont have them. Money is more important. Having kids, just burdens yourself and makes you more reliant on your boss. No thanks. Make money and run out the clock.

    • @Egyptianfaith
      @Egyptianfaith Год назад +6

      They actually don't cost as much as you think. Unless you spoil them.

    • @jasonseng5463
      @jasonseng5463 Год назад +3

      @@Egyptianfaith I really don't understand the fascination with having kids. Waste of money and time.

    • @Egyptianfaith
      @Egyptianfaith Год назад +1

      @@jasonseng5463 the biggest famines start from lack of population, not enough farmers, not enough doctors, not enough people to keep supermarkets open, not enough train drivers not enough Pharmacists etc. The problem is in the west we have a huge aging population and when they are old and retired, there won't be enough children now that will then be adults to keep society going when the older generation can't work. For the first time more than 50 percent of 30 year women in England are childless. So if that doesn't change you'll have half the amount of people looking after double their number. Which isn't sustainable. So it's time people "lie back and think of England" !!

    • @Egyptianfaith
      @Egyptianfaith Год назад +2

      @@jasonseng5463 we need to get making babies for our survival! 😉

    • @rampage241
      @rampage241 3 месяца назад

      ​@@jasonseng5463You don't need to understand it. Natural selection will gladly take your defective genes out of the gene pool. But not after you live your elder years in penury. When there aren't enough young workers, the paper money you saved for retirement won't be worth anything.

  • @ReasonableForseeability
    @ReasonableForseeability Год назад +3

    Nice long list of PRO having kids. I could make an even loger list for the CONs. Do you know the term cherry-picking? Oops, I forgot to say at the start "speaking as an Antinatalist."

  • @mimiluluXx
    @mimiluluXx Год назад +4

    the world is overpopulated

    • @chrisa5631
      @chrisa5631 Год назад +10

      No, Its not fairly balanced. If you took every human, you could place everyone of them on the island of Man. Consumption and greed, is killing the planet.

    • @j.davila4523
      @j.davila4523 Год назад +4

      Population collapse WILL happen if this keeps occurring though, this as is promiscuity, lower smv women because of that, therefore taken less seriously to be a wife and throw the pill on top of that!

    • @coshvjicujmlqef6047
      @coshvjicujmlqef6047 Год назад +1

      That is the result of capitalism imperialism. Marx was perfectly correct about this. Feminism is a reactionary ideology and the result is only for benefiting the men at the top.

    • @BOZ_11
      @BOZ_11 Год назад

      @@chrisa5631 in 300,000 years of homo sapiens existence our present population is orders of magnitude greater than at any point prior to the 20th century. In fact, there's good contemporary evidence that the Roman Empire collapsed because the carrying capacity of the land was exhausted, precipitating the dark ages where the population of major cities shrank markedly; mass decentralisation naturally occurred, and wars were being fought with MUCH smaller numbers compared with antiquity

    • @skylinefever
      @skylinefever Год назад

      Yes, so spread feminism to where women usually queef out 5 kids and can't feed them all.