This was amazing. I really appreciate people speaking against porn. It is a brutal thing. If I could go back in time then I'll stop myself from being exposed to these images. The damages it has done on me at times have felt unbearable. I feel pathetic that I saw all the things I saw and the things that I can't unsee and the impact it left on me. Anyone who is reading this and going through something similar I'll ask you to stay strong! Peace.
Ture. Before porn, a man would have seen max on or two women in his whole life, who most probably happens to be his wife or lover, even with wife there were certain limits. But now, young boys are exposed to thousands of beautifully presented women bodies and boys and men who are having no wife are going crazy in many ways and not sparing even little children. Exposure to women bodies, is biggest curse humanity is facing now and we should all fight against it.
The saddest part is that the natural emotional discomfort about the immorality of it, the feeling that it's bad for you is being explained away by how you just aren't "liberated enough" yet... I've fallen into that trap because I grew up at the opposite side of the spectrum, where even a brief thought, natural desire was considered sth that would make me a bad person. It doesn't, policing thoughts and instincts is insanity, just as it i as to allow them to completely control us, make us slaves to them.
Another reason not to watch it is that innocence and the joy of discovering something beautiful for the first time is lost. You experience it on the screen than with someone you love, which is sad.
I just heard her talk with Triggonemetry. Amazing speaker and I'm so glad she's sharing her concerns with everyone. I will definitely be following her.
@@mistergormsby Me as well. I'll have to buy her book. I very much enjoyed her conversation with the Trigg team. My only concern with Ms. Perry's observations is implementation. How does a supposedly free society control? stop? minimize? Contain pornography?
I think access to porn 24/7 , and the fact that children have access to it too has been very damaging. I think it desensitizes people to sex. it's unfortunate really.
children shouldnt have access to internet tbh. coz either internet is restricted in many ways and children are on, or in every corner you will see children accessing stuff and being damaged in one or another way. and im not even talking about porn. look at tiktok.. look at instagram.. look at cult sites... look at online gambling.. at this point 95% of internet damages children so i dont even know why we still allow them on the internet. its no brainer that its easier to ban access to internet for kids and fine parents that give that access ( same as we would fine parents who give access to alcohol) than change entire internet.
@@-haclong2366 there's a difference between humans & other animals - is that we are social beings. We have the ability to emotionally connect during sex, so why destroy that ability?
If I could only tell all the youth to avoid PORN like the plague. It is a devastating thing, a cruel habit, ruined my life in many ways - just by watching it. It changes you on a deep level, your way of thinking, your self confidence, your self-confidence, your dignity, selfworth... How I wish I never started any of it. But its never to late to change, I still struggle for a better life
Hey man. Check out The Easy Peasy Way. It is 100% free, and helped me reclaim my freedom from porn. All I ask is that you spread the word about it when you finish.
Good for you George. You've discovered and confronted a human weakness that others will exploit to the ruin of all of us. I salute you sir. May you continue to pursue the spirit of love.
"Ain’t Nothing Like the Real Thing." One day I confessed to a friend that I was struggling. As he turned on his car to drive away this song was playing on the radio. Perfect. That simple phrase helped me. I didn't want a fake thing. I wanted love and mutual commitment and security and freedom. Do what you need to do to position yourself to be the guy a great woman will want to marry. Get the real thing. Despite what the various forms of media present, the people having the best sex and the most sex are not single but married. And thank you for your comment.
@Jessie weeizy A big one. Imagine standing before him on Judgment day, why you broke your wife's heart making her feel inadequate. Why? Be stronger. Stand up for what is right. God will judge unrepentant sinners one day, and they will miss out on what God has planned for us: A new Heaven and a New Earth where righteousness is to dwell. Living Forever. Who will miss out? This day will come: 12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Porn addicts will not be invited to eternal life. It's time to stop and time to stop NOW before it's too late.
Wow, let's hope Louise decides on a career in politics. She's smart, eloquent and courageous. Just the kind of person we need in politics but are so badly lacking at the moment.
Politics destroys people. Either they see the cesspool for what it is and are destroyed when they do not conform, or they conform and are destroyed as they transform into a shallow, corrupted shell of a human. The former is way better, but why rub elbows with what is a universally hated demographic? Poiticians suck. Cant trust them. People who openly express running for office, should be mocked till they come to their senses. Save them from their hubris before its to late.
@@jmc0369 You're a real ray of sunshine aren't you. Could you be any more cynical or bitter? Whatever you think of them politicians run the country which makes it an important job. That's democracy.
she's not smart at all. she literally said if a woman says yes to something we shouldn't think she means yes. she's trying to take even more accountability from womens bad choices. this already is a massive problem with women and their extreme lack of responsibility and accountability
Pornographic imagery has been around since the earliest civilizations. Why are we still trying to shame it out of existence? Does this speaker want to "help" the models and performers? Or make a point about her own superior morality? Like intoxicating substances, porn will have to be managed, because it cannot realistically be banned.
Just imagine how many people live entirely off McD, KFC, Burger King and all the others, to not name Walmart and alike in the same sentence. That analogy is appalling to say the least. She has shown her true colors with that crappy contribution: a borderline inhumane elitist.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 How is she inhumane or an elitist? It's the new cultural elite that are pushing unlimited porn and she seemed way more concerned about the effects of Porn on humanity than those on the Pro side.
I most definitely do not like limbic capitalism, but it is what we were served for over 40 years now solely and increasingly since Ronny the thief and Maggy the b*tch took over the west. Individual self-exploitation on OF being falsely called "liberation" is only one tiny façette of that limbic capitalism.
Such an excellent speech. So many people in my generation see watching porn as something inevitable, innocuous, or even liberating - but it's none of those things. Think of it like the tobacco industry - doesn't care at all about its consumers, just interested in the bottom line, but brilliant at persuading people of its right to exist. The sooner we wake up to the fact that it doesn't have to be like this, the better.
Tobacco is only part of the spectrum of possible industry comparisons. You could also take coffee or alcohol. Or sugar, jung food or social media. Video games, gambling or entertainment in general. Why single out pornography from the rest of the bunch of supernormal sitmuli?
I always remember the quote from Peep Show which sums it up pretty well: ''Isn't it (porn) just the usual dead-eyed men f***ing dead-eyed women in a desperate world of pain? ''
I totally agree with her point on porn and modern attitude toward sex. The idea that women can enjoy casual sex as much as men is just ridiculously harmful to women.
I know a lot of women who enjoy casual sex. Let's not infantilize women and try to say what we think is best for them. People are individuals with different opinions, cultures, and things they enjoy or dislike.
Degraded? How so? Is talking about what the world contains, and the relative merits and problems of these things a much needed thing? The ostrich-sticking in the sand is not a very practical solution, methink.
When a religion talks against porn and open sex, people think it is conservative. But when people themselves realize after a bad experience and its ramifications on social life, they start to talk against it. Then, they get much appreciation 😅
So is alcohol, drugs, smoking, over-eating, lack of exercise etc. Porn is only destructive for those who let it destroy them. For most men it's an occasional pleasure. What's unhealthy about looking at women ? We know it's fantasy, just like the world of advertising and the entertainment industry.
@@PhilBaird1 …number 1: it’s an industry which profits from trafficking, rape, child exploitation. Number 2: it’s literally porn which comes from the word porneia which literally means unlawful sex…hence why it’s messed up within itself. Number 3: it glorifies one sided-pleasure, the idea that women like violence and that sex has to be violent when it’s not it’s a connection. (This is extremely damaging considering the average age a boy is exposed to it in the US is 11 years old). There are countless cases of YOUNG boys younger than 12 who have copied out what they’ve seen in those disgusting videos and raped even YOUNGER girls. Number 4: glorifies cheating, incest, misogyny, racism, sexism, pedophilia (the most popular category is teen that says enough) Number 5: its literally made to be addicted and some men have to go through literal therapy to help stop.why would you want to defend something like that? Number 6: it makes men weak. It makes them give in to their flesh which means they’re a lot more likely to cheat in real life when they’re in a relationship and they’re addicted. Not to mention it’s the cause of 56% of divorce in the US. The only people blind enough to defend it are people who have addictions themselves. Do your research, talk to some people who were once in the industry (I could give you a few) and you’ll see how horrific it really is. It is literally a platform for violent nonces! Even Ted Bundy himself said ALL people he knows who have committed violence against women watch porn a lot. There are NO benefits to society and I would NEVER be with a man who is watching “teen stepsis “ let alone have children with one🤢
Excellently articulated. I’m sure if given the time needed you could have been able to expand on the devastating effects on society, family sexual dysfunction, mental illness etc. thank you for bringing to light the things we want to turn a blind eye to
Yes I'm surprised Louise Perry focused on the brutality of the industry and did not say much (as she has elsewhere) about the deleterious effects of porn use on individuals, relationships, and society. She compares with McDonalds. But most people's primary concern about McDonalds is that it's an unhealthy fast cheap substiutute for real quality food, not empathy for the slaughtered cattle, or resentment of profits made? And clearly McDonalds is here to stay.
no it wasn't at all. she literally said "taking a woman at her word when she says yes it too easy" if a woman says yes to something it means yes. this insane feminist seems to think we need to second guess what she really means by yes and takes all accountability and responsibility away from the woman which is so fing typical. grow up girls and start taking accountability for your actions. it's well past time to.
This is somewhat unrelated to the video. I was exposed to this crap before 6 years of age and was genuinely addicted until I got into uni. As a lesbian, it made me objectify women while simultaneously hating my anatomy. Which ties in a little bit to the rampant gender dysphoria in young women my age (20's) and way younger.
I'm 39 and had an internet connection in the 90s when all porn was paywalled, it was still easy enough to access but 99% was, by today's standards, quite tame, mainstream, usually well known performers, and just something to bridge the gaps when a late teen isn't sexually active. The idea that it'd be freely available should have obviously started people thinking that a likely consequence was people becoming desensitised and demanding ever more extreme practices, in hindsight it seems obvious. Return the paywalls, just make it an effort to access and far fewer people will be so badly affected. Make it easier to do something else and people will do that instead. Yes, people will masturbate before bed etc but it will hopefully still be seen as second best to the real thing
Im 31. Porn completely destroyed my life. I've had ED all my life, have disturbing fetishes and philias, and absurd amounts of anxiety and depression. This industry needs to go down.
@Jessie weeizy amen. he can and will take the desire away. I'm not even tempted at all. God has helped me. Only God through the holy spirit can help you hate what is bad.
The brain can heal! Take heart, step out into the world and into nature, it will regenerate and not be disturbed anymore, if you persist and use your energy to build instead of tear down and disappear to ease pain
@@61505 Misogyny, as racism are eminently irrational. There's a big difference of fighting slavery for the exploitation of human beings to fighting racism. The same thing with misogyny; it isn't women the object of condemnation, but the irresponsible actions of those who aim at exploiting other human beings, including men who participate in the act. Individual freedoms are crucial, but some reference to the society should always be present.
@@DragonNo1 To add to my previous comment,itsfar more destructive to women and girls in society than men, because it has the effects oflowering the social status of women in society in the minds of men and teenage boys-and men are generally the ones with more power in society than women and girls.Men don,t suffer freom watching women and girls being used in pornography...
@@61505 I entirely disagree with you in that men don't suffer from watching pornography. You actually have no idea of the impact of explicit sex scenes have in the male brain, and the dependency it creates similar to an addiction to a drug with an evident loss of agency. I'm actually happy that some millennials are trying to stay away from pornography. Do you think that many of these actresses care about their lowering of the social status while they enjoy the easy money and attention? Not while they're in it, but yes, later in life when they discover all the bad choices they made in their hoe's years. This is not only an individual problem, it's a societal problem. Glamorizing crime and perversions only conduce to nihilism. We, in the West, are in a self-destructive path.
@@DragonNo1 itsmuch more harmful to the women involved and also the girls and women who will be the girlfriends or wives of these porn addicted men than it is potentially harmful to any males-it attempts to justify things like rape and it also gets porn addicted men to see all women and girls throughout society as inferior to men and of lower social status in general. Most men and boys don,t suffer from pornography, they claim to enjoy it.So whether you like it or not the status and health of women and girls are important. It is not easy money, the women involved are being directly sexually abused.you need to realise in general that women are important too, not just men.Pornography also falsely represents and trivialises womens sexuality and reproductive system.
Its an attempt to give the performers control of what happens during the shoot vs having them be under the influence. It also tries to be more body positive and open to all types of people being stars. However like she said, it is isn't popular
Dead right love! it dehumanises women in the eyes of the avid watcher!!! Especially to younger viewers who can access it so easily. My brothers mate watched a lot of porn from being a kid and sex became nothing to him so he was more interested in extreme acts of sexual gratification but once he came he was empty in his soul, his words, he’s late 40s now and says he’s never loved a woman!!! yea he’s single. Attacks against women is out of control worldwide!!! Recently I decided to walk home at dusk from my daughters because it was a beautiful night and the route is on a relatively busy rd. In an area I’ve lived in 57yr. I was pretty shocked to NOT see a single female? It’s not safe after dark, it’s not safe in the daytime in secluded areas! Basically we’re fked I blame porn and the mass immigration of men from a culture were women are there for the taking!
Do not mix the incompatible socialization some bring from their emigration starting point with pornography - that would be vastly incompetent, illogic and downright negating realities. Porn definitely is not in the slightest accountable for the "insecurity" You claim to have gathered.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 listen love I didn’t say that!!!! Grooming young white girls by Asian men is a FACT… it’s nothing to do with porn? It’s drilled into their heads has young men!!!!! Use white girls and boy they certainly do
@@manfredschmalbach9023 porn feeds off of insecurity, anxiety and loneliness. That is why it is dangerous and targets not only the women and children who are exploited/trafficked into the industry, but also young children trying to find some relief. And it’s only a downward spiral
So true and all the horrific cases I’ve heard of boys younger than 12 (!) who have been exposed to pornography thinking it is normal and end up raping or performing the acts they’ve seen on even younger girls! It’s truly horrific and the least that can be done is put some type of verification on it to AT LEAST but in my opinion the production of it needs to be banned in America. And I have hope one day, since they have now banned abortion which I never thought would happen
@@aliciabell4116 You would ban porn because some parents fail completely with parenting? Or because some of the producers do not comply with consent and age legalities? You might, that way, also ban motorized vehicles because some people can't master driving well enough to not recurrently hit other people .... or might criminalize the production and sale of sugar because quite some people feed themselves into downright pathological obesity ...? Not to mention the urgent need to criminalize cell-phones because many if not most people develop an unhealthy, psychologically devastating pattern of use .......😆🤣 It could be hilarious to watch You seriously demand that sort of crap, was it not as extremely dangerous to let people jeopardize other people's liberties and their freedom of choice ... that sort of prohibitional nannying has the exact opposite effect of what You intend to gain in terms of prudish cleanliness. Plus: A constitutional democracy can not tolerate the moral tyranny of some anxious, fringe prudish zealot minority, otherwise it would turn into a theocratic dictatorship ..... Look into Saudi Arabia, Iran or Israel to see what that sort of governing does to its citizens ... reasonably sane democracy-dwellers can not want something like that.
People who look at porn should ask themselves, "Would this be acceptable to me if these were pictures of my sister or my mother?" I think most sane people would say no, but I'm sure there are some very troubled people out there that wouldn't care.
I love how they’re dressed for this debate. I freaking love academia when it’s like this. It’s one of the highest expressions of our humanity, this being well dressed and sitting civilly together discussing societal topics.
@@forgottenfuryan Dressing well and looking sharp for when you're doing something formal and important isn't pageantry anymore than shaking hands is. Symbolic gestures cue and orient people towards common goals.
Because its not even remotely possible for a person dressed casually to say anything meaningful or profound, they simply must be dressed for a ball in order to say anything worth listening to. Now where is my champagne flute, I need to fart
@@mojrimibnharb4584 Is "private capital accumulation" a bad thing, as you see it? I'm 13 and mow lawns to make extra money. I work really hard. I don't force anyone to hire me, and no one forces me to do it. Is that bad that I provide a good or service to my community and people freely hire me, and, as a result of this force-less voluntary exchange, I "accumulate private capital", as you say? Am I evil?
you lost me at "taking a woman at her word when she says yes is too easy" are you insane? women need to start taking accountability for their actions. this kind of irresponsibility is absolutely disgusting. if you say yes, it means yes end of story.
Some women say yes ,sign a contract and then they re put to do things they didn't sign for but are pressured into doing that. Also, sex without condom is the norm in porn which is very dangerous.
@@schemem3703 the former then isn't consent as they didn't agree todo it unless they didn't read the contract properly in which case they only have themselves to blame. The latter well they are choosing todo it so that is their choice
There are some good points made, but let me just use these exact arguments for working in the army. These young man and woman are not doing so involuntairly, but they are generally from disadvantaged backgrounds and see it as a way out. They don't realize that this might mean you end up running in a shallow ditch against your will by the orders of others, with bullets flying by and the body parts of your mate splashed over you after he was the unliky one to get hit by a mortar. Very real possibility for physical and especially mental damage for life. If you argue as passionately against allowing people to sell their pictures on OnlyFans, you certainly should argue against the government run insanity that is called the army.
@@sarahdaley6394 anyone who is legit in the porn industry is against child porn. id is taken before shooting content. this is like saying ponzi schemes are part of the investment industry...
@@sarahdaley6394 It isn't. It's an emotional heartstring puller to win the argument. The porn industry is a legal industry with money exchanged for goods provided and taxes on said exchange being paid to government. Child exploitation does not fit those parameters. If it does, then the government would be making money off of child and animal exploitation, no?
If women cannot or at least should not be held accountable for their actions according to the speaker, are they autonomous people capable of making their own decisions?
She promotes misogyny. The logical conclusion to much of her theory in her book would be to have a society like Saudi Arabia because according to her women don’t have the ability to exercise agency.
Men should avoid watching porn at all costs. It‘a no supplement for a relationship. It dulls sexual sensitivity -which can lead to some very nasty places. It can also make a man feel more isolated and depressed.
She is probably right, but she is fighting the male primitive brain on testosteron high. This fight is impossible to win I think. Religion and social norms did a good job in the past, but now there's the internet and being alone in your room with nobody else at home.
Sometimes I get the impression that we're confusing the finger with the moon. The problem isn't porn itself, but the reason why many people, predominantly men, watch it. I don't believe there's a man in the world who, being in a long-term relationship with someone he likes, cares about, and finds attractive, with an active sex life, would prefer to watch a porn video rather than have sex with his partner. If a man has a wife who wants to have sex with him regularly, I assure you, he wouldn't have either the energy or the reason to watch porn. We're not talking about people who give up an active sex life to watch porn, but about those who, for various reasons: sexless marriages, lack of physical attraction, single individuals who haven't found a partner - find themselves choosing between hunger and McDonald's. No sane man would refuse a good homemade meal to eat fast food; if he goes to fast food, it's because he has no other options to turn to. We should work on this: reduce the demand to decrease the supply. It's pointless to block the supply if the demand continues to persist. I have watched several videos of Louise, and while many of her solutions are effective, in others she completely lacks perspective. The reason is that, like many other women who address these topics, she rarely takes the male point of view into consideration. She focuses exclusively on the female perspective and what can benefit women. You can't solve a social problem by considering only half of the population.
Your primary proposition is incorrect. I was watching a fantastic interview Bill Maher had with Terry Crews a while back. Terry Crews is a superstar, great looks and body, has a loving wife of decades---he still watched porn all the time for years and lied to his wife that he didn't. If he did, I can guarantee you most men still would even with regular access to real women. Reducing demand for sex is impossible, and if it were, it would be very stupid to do so, unless you want to end the continuation of the species.
I can look back as a heterosexual woman on watching porn with boyfriends and explaining to them that that woman is in pain. Watching certain sex acts and explaining that it's literally physiologically impossible for that to feel good. It conditions young men to associate female pain with pleasure and so they're increasingly confused by actual female bodies and arousal.
I'm not particularly buying the 'victim' angle of her argument. All jobs require payment because it is activity that people would not choose to do without it. Payment is coercion by its nature. A more convincing argument might center on the harm done to the consumer. Abstaining from alcohol and tobacco products is done to avoid self harm, not because it may be harmful to those producing those products. Surely an argument can be made that consuming porn has some negative consequences to the consumer.
as a former stripper & p0rn actress, i can agree with what you're saying. i don't feel i was victimized, but i was definitely taken advantage of. i think the word "victim" is not the correct term. "being taken advantage of" would be more appropriate. i'm not a victim, or a survivor - i wasn't in a war. nothing permanently damaged me. i'm not unable to have romantic relationships, i'm married to a high value, provider man. i was sexually exploited, but i willingly walked into it and knew what i was doing was sexual expoitation. i'm not a victim for that, just unfortunate. i learned my lesson, and moved on. i will admit that i am highly privileged due to a background in mental health. the whole time i was in sex work, i was working on healing my mental health. i wasn't healthy while i was in sex work, but i was able to heal and get out. the work is traumatic, but i was able to process the trauma and heal quickly due to my background. within a year of exiting the industry i had started two businesses. that's not what happens to most sex workers. i had access to information that saved me.
@@queengoblin Thank you for sharing your story. I can see your point about “victim” versus “taken advantage” of but when it comes down to it, it’s generally a very toxic and unhealthy environment. think that is the broad point of her argument. She wrote a book on the topic that sounds very objective.
sure, payment is coercion. but guess what? coerced sex is rape by definition, and rape is objectively worse and more traumatizing than coerced office jobs.
I’ll tell you why that angle wasn’t presented here. It’s because that would be a speech about the declining sexual health of MEN due to porn. This woman stated that the owner of Onlyfans is a man, as if it was a qualifying statement about the nature of the company. She also only speaks about women porn actor’s repercussions due to the industry. If I never watched porn, I might think that there weren’t any men in those videos, listening to this speech. I don’t have many doubts in saying that Louise does not like men.
"The market demands more and more extreme content", is that really true? Check the most viewed of all time worldwide list. Sure, the stories might be unplausible (few people care about the story anyway), but the sex acts are mostly not that extreme. Check for yourself.
Nobody talks about the good things it brought. We are acting like there isn't a significant percentage of the population who won't see much action in their whole life. Be it disabled people in so many ways that people can be disabled or just plain ugly. It allows them to get a semblance of love life and satisfaction. Sure we have to figure out how to make it safe for those who work in the industry and how to shelter children from it to some degree. That's where the focus should be in my opinion. She says that we only have porn for the last couple of decades so it's not like it's a human right. Why don't we turn electricity off and stop the trains? After all we had that for just 200 years, it's not normal, we should be hunting mammoths and live in caves. Faulty argument.
I was really hoping for a more convincing argument… there was a number of issues in her reasoning but it was towards the end (11:12) that I decided to leave a comment. “It’s so much easier to give up porn than factory-farmed meat and clothes made in sweat shops because we have to feed and clothe ourselves”. Could I get a scientific journal reference for this claim please or… perhaps she at least has a psychology background? Doesn’t seem like it… But, much more fundamentally, what exactly is the alternative? I fully accept that there’s tons of issues with the porn industry, but I feel they are symptoms of a sick society and we should be seeking to understand what made it sick in the first place. It’s the same argument as for drugs (including alcohol and tobacco, which are by far the most harmful drugs) - you create more problems by making them illegal, so you have to regulate them and address the root causes. People who develop substance abuse issues often grow up without fathers and experience trauma in their childhoods… I would guess (and not boldly claim without evidence) that people who watch child porn have also experienced some kind of trauma. Focus on the root causes and not the symptoms.
Yes there is! Old porn from the 70-80-ties had some form of romance or at least tried to be romantic! Nowadays its not sex its RAPE! Often anal and disgusting, the more animalistic and vulgar the better. Hugh Hefner drugged and forced Linda Lovelace to have sex with a dog in his mansion while his rich friends watched along with him, some legend huh?
@@MaciusSzwed Just because it's soft doesn’t change the fact it's still porn. Yes, I have seen the soft stuff. There are just different genres of porn.
These talks always aggravate me. porn is not the problem, and it never has been the issues are with people. Those are what should be looked at. For example, if there’s a morbidly obese man, who’s about to die due to high blood pressure, gout, stroke,needs amputation of a foot because he just keeps eating and eating and eating…. I don’t blame the food. I blame him and his lack of self-control. He lacks discipline and uses food -that doesn’t make the food evil that makes him stupid.
i do believe do porn industry can be shit/abusive towards their performers but when america goes down the shitter completely theyll blame it on porn video games and violent movies while europe laughs and says oh we actually removed the stigma behind all that culturally because non of those are valid things to stigmatize and be against.
Yes, excellent point and I generally agree with you that Ariel Levy and "Female Chauvinist Pigs" were, in one sense, ahead of their time. But what is worrisome to me is that the full extent of internet porn and its harmful impact on society and relationships had not then evolved to the situation we are in witnessing today. In retrospect, Levy efforts seems not to have had the desirable adverse impact on the phenomena still unfolding before us. Between Levy's book and Louise Perry's volume so much has changed--and for the worse--that it beggars belief. This is especially true in terms of the violence against women that occurs in porn as well as the violence against women that Perry documents occurring in parallel in the contemporary "hook-up" dating culture. Having read both, to those who have read neither work, I would suggest beginning with Louise Perry's book, then turn back (in time, so to speak) and read Ariel Levy's volume. Perry is sounding not only an alarm, but her prescriptive recommendations are far more radical than Levy's were. My only quibble with Louise Perry is that after finding one's true soulmate, children should follow. I am still searching for my beloved, but I have no desire for children [and I hope she won't either].
4:30 this is crucial. "say yes at the right moments." once a scene starts, women want to make the time worthwhile. So, halfway through, you can be extreme as f, and they don't want to just waste time, so they do it. Millionaire stars have said they did things they didn't want to just to make everyone happy. If women didn't keep saying years later they felt coerced, sure... But it's clear, too many women can't make a decision in the moment, that doesn't feel coerced, even when no one is doing it. Women like to please, and thus, we get coercion, even without men needing to do anything.
Louise Perry kicks ass, and she's even more convincing in her other videos without the heavy pressure. And I'm not a feminist, just a rational man that knows porn is terrible for society and that everything she is saying is absolutely the truth. TAKE even more note, porn isn't the only limbic pirate folks. they all should be banned from use.
OK? So all supernormal stimuli should be banned. I'm not liking the way this is heading, but as Louise Perry has a distaste for capitalism, I see a state with a lot of carceral power.
@@pera.j.andersson huh? How about we stick to not abusing people for money because we can, I think that's the only criteria I'm after here. It destroys women writ large on several levels, even the 2% that say they're in love with it and love doing it. And it's no different than gambling, limbic feeder pellet bar browser games, social media likes, and subliminal messaging etc. these are some of the worst offenders. It's not a hard line in the sand, but if you want a temperature gauge look at who's become billionaires in the last 50 years, this isn't your mother's Mervyn's ads and mini skirt fashion and sexy sunglasses of the 60s. this is piped in under the radar to the ignorant masses that don't know they're being abused and putting money, billions in the hands of the abusers. this goes far beyond the models that make comparably so little. But yes, porn is the worst of them. It's for the exact same reason we don't allow advertisement of crack, and don't allow people to use subliminal advertisement, or put cocaine in soft drinks. And it's not just that it steal money from the ignorant, disabled, weak, stupid and poor and gives it to a handful of psychopathic individuals that couldn't find their morals with both hands. It literally ruins people, and very, very unequally. Isn't that what we're trying to minimize? And besides porn is exactly as explained, it's not summed up in naked bodies it's glistening, wet, smooth, luscious murder of good will toward your neighbor. and how many disabled, neglected and abused poeple are thrown down on the tracks for this false equality? How many marriages and lives ruined? You think rich people suffer from this? and the state? well you sold out to the State long ago in the UK when you gave up the good fight for freedom of speech, don't know why you'd care about that. but the best we can do is balance the power. shall we go back to companies being the arbiter of whetehr the water is clean, and food is safe? Because by all means feel free to do so if you want to see what a feudal system looks like in your lifetime. Far, far worse than the calcified corruption we have today.
Limbic Free market is checked by the cultural norms aka common decency remaining the bedrock of sociability despite the edifice called market permitted to exist as a labor of love and efficiency Innovation was not to include innovative ways to prey upon our survival instincts Freedom to participate in a ritual of mutual degradation and subjugation isn’t freedom at all It’s fraud And you seek to gatekeep fraudulence
It's a bit similar to a man who works in a busy warehouse or building site, lifting and carrying heavy loads all the time and constantly on his feet. He is only consenting to it because he's desperate for money and has no other avenue for income and because he thinks he can do it at that moment, probably even enjoys it for a little while. In some cases, pay is good too. But over time the damage it does to him physically, mentally and emotionally is really bad.
@@pera.j.andersson porn is the same as being raped on camera. the majority of porn actors are drug addicts desperate for money. many face serious health issues because of the abuse they face on set. they are engaging in (usually abusive) sex that they otherwise wouldn’t engage in, which is monetary coercion and rape by definition. being raped by coercion leads to MUCH more psychological damage than working in a warehouse for money.
of course you'd say that. you're a girl who very much likes the idea of having to take even less accountability than you already do for your poor choices in life. typical.
This is just a strawman debate going against the typical stereotypes about porn, pretty weak. Also she is trying to emotionally blackmail the opposition which just comes off as a cheap trick. Fails to separate indirect damage caused by social stigma from direct damage, drags dugs and alcohol into the picture for no reason, all in all not very convincing. This is a good example why you should steelman your arguments before going public.
11:10 is true, but kind of undermines the rest of the thesis. Either we have helpless monkey brains unable to disobey our limbic system, and we can't not choose porn or we don't, and these industries are competing for employees and customers like anything else.
3:15 - There is no such thing as retroactive revocation of consent. Once you've done the thing, that's it. You've done it, and you have to live with your decision to do it. You can't un-ring a bell.
Of course a girl can change her mind. She can't call it rape if she consented, does it, then changes her mind, but if she changes her mind and wants to stop but the guy keeps going, then yeah that would become rape.
@@pera.j.andersson Sure, offer your daughter, your mother, your wife up to be center stage performers in this horrific debasing performance then let's see if you feel the same, if you do feel the same then I would offer you as proof why it should stop.
Of all of these debate videos, this one is the only one in which YT stopped in the middle of to insert a commercial. Hmm, wonder why?? We disallow all sorts of things based on short & long-term health affects - drug use, prostitution (in most states), motorcycle helmet laws. Helping society to maintain mental health by disallowing people to create porn is a net positive, for individuals who would perform in it, and for those who would watch it.
Respectfully... porn is a symptom. Porn has been around for thousands of years... The root is a far more difficult issue to address. Few people go there objectively. Consider the advent of sexual robots... robots. Things are that bad between the sexes.
no must disagree. not like this, instant access of almost anything. before a person would need to go to a shop to purchase such images. the internet is ubiquitous now.
so women giving consent is not women given consent.... that sounds like women need to be treated like kids. I found it ironic that feminist artists used women as a subject matter and even women's bodies (licking as a chisel, paintbrushing as in smearing pain on her naked body then jumping on a canvas) as objects. Then there was the argument that "no means no" followed by "women should say no when they mean no" (logically that sounds that no means yes, but I don't want the responsibility of what yes allows). Now this, "even when women give consent does not mean they give consent." Logically that means porn or no porn, women are or should be treated the same as we treat the insane and the child. That is just sick.
I don´t think you get that part of the argument- there´s a comment above from Maxwell Benz which explains it pretty well: 4:30 this is crucial. "say yes at the right moments." once a scene starts, women want to make the time worthwhile. So, halfway through, you can be extreme as f, and they don't want to just waste time, so they do it. Millionaire stars have said they did things they didn't want to just to make everyone happy. If women didn't keep saying years later they felt coerced, sure... But it's clear, too many women can't make a decision in the moment, that doesn't feel coerced, even when no one is doing it. Women like to please, and thus, we get coercion, even without men needing to do anything. this can apply to some degree to regular sexual relationships too, but that´s definitely an easier context to say "no" than when you´re in the middle of a porn production. If you think about it, it´s shockingly similar how even in a conventional workplace, people (esp. if they are good at their jobs) get hit with more tasks down the line that they didn´t agree to, originally- do they usually say no? I doubt...
This was amazing. I really appreciate people speaking against porn. It is a brutal thing. If I could go back in time then I'll stop myself from being exposed to these images. The damages it has done on me at times have felt unbearable. I feel pathetic that I saw all the things I saw and the things that I can't unsee and the impact it left on me. Anyone who is reading this and going through something similar I'll ask you to stay strong! Peace.
Ture. Before porn, a man would have seen max on or two women in his whole life, who most probably happens to be his wife or lover, even with wife there were certain limits. But now, young boys are exposed to thousands of beautifully presented women bodies and boys and men who are having no wife are going crazy in many ways and not sparing even little children. Exposure to women bodies, is biggest curse humanity is facing now and we should all fight against it.
Same. The addiction to porn in my teens and early 20’s still shapes me even though it’s been over a decade since looking at porn.
Its absolutely garbage its designed to keep young men from ever having an intimate relationship with a woman.
The saddest part is that the natural emotional discomfort about the immorality of it, the feeling that it's bad for you is being explained away by how you just aren't "liberated enough" yet... I've fallen into that trap because I grew up at the opposite side of the spectrum, where even a brief thought, natural desire was considered sth that would make me a bad person. It doesn't, policing thoughts and instincts is insanity, just as it i as to allow them to completely control us, make us slaves to them.
Another reason not to watch it is that innocence and the joy of discovering something beautiful for the first time is lost. You experience it on the screen than with someone you love, which is sad.
I just heard her talk with Triggonemetry. Amazing speaker and I'm so glad she's sharing her concerns with everyone. I will definitely be following her.
Francis and Konstantin brought me here too. That was such a good interview as was her argument here. Definitely going to buy her book.
@@mistergormsby Me as well. I'll have to buy her book. I very much enjoyed her conversation with the Trigg team. My only concern with Ms. Perry's observations is implementation. How does a supposedly free society control? stop? minimize? Contain pornography?
Correct statement
I think access to porn 24/7 , and the fact that children have access to it too has been very damaging. I think it desensitizes people to sex. it's unfortunate really.
children shouldnt have access to internet tbh. coz either internet is restricted in many ways and children are on, or in every corner you will see children accessing stuff and being damaged in one or another way. and im not even talking about porn. look at tiktok.. look at instagram.. look at cult sites... look at online gambling.. at this point 95% of internet damages children so i dont even know why we still allow them on the internet. its no brainer that its easier to ban access to internet for kids and fine parents that give that access ( same as we would fine parents who give access to alcohol) than change entire internet.
¿And why should we be sensitised to it? It is a biological function no different than using the lavatory.
@@-haclong2366 well, I'm desensitized to that too! 😀
@@-haclong2366 there's a difference between humans & other animals - is that we are social beings. We have the ability to emotionally connect during sex, so why destroy that ability?
@@diehardernxgt2161 Are we destroying it? Why not let people have their own agency upon consumption?
She reminds me of Emma Watson, but smart
Emma Watson is smart too
@@00great226Emma Watson is a smug, talentless nit-wit.
If I could only tell all the youth to avoid PORN like the plague. It is a devastating thing, a cruel habit, ruined my life in many ways - just by watching it. It changes you on a deep level, your way of thinking, your self confidence, your self-confidence, your dignity, selfworth... How I wish I never started any of it. But its never to late to change, I still struggle for a better life
Hey man. Check out The Easy Peasy Way. It is 100% free, and helped me reclaim my freedom from porn. All I ask is that you spread the word about it when you finish.
Be brave, keep speaking about it.
Good for you George. You've discovered and confronted a human weakness that others will exploit to the ruin of all of us. I salute you sir. May you continue to pursue the spirit of love.
"Ain’t Nothing Like the Real Thing." One day I confessed to a friend that I was struggling. As he turned on his car to drive away this song was playing on the radio. Perfect. That simple phrase helped me. I didn't want a fake thing. I wanted love and mutual commitment and security and freedom. Do what you need to do to position yourself to be the guy a great woman will want to marry. Get the real thing. Despite what the various forms of media present, the people having the best sex and the most sex are not single but married. And thank you for your comment.
@Jessie weeizy A big one. Imagine standing before him on Judgment day, why you broke your wife's heart making her feel inadequate. Why? Be stronger. Stand up for what is right. God will judge unrepentant sinners one day, and they will miss out on what God has planned for us: A new Heaven and a New Earth where righteousness is to dwell. Living Forever. Who will miss out?
This day will come:
12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Porn addicts will not be invited to eternal life. It's time to stop and time to stop NOW before it's too late.
Wow, let's hope Louise decides on a career in politics. She's smart, eloquent and courageous. Just the kind of person we need in politics but are so badly lacking at the moment.
Politics destroys people. Either they see the cesspool for what it is and are destroyed when they do not conform, or they conform and are destroyed as they transform into a shallow, corrupted shell of a human. The former is way better, but why rub elbows with what is a universally hated demographic? Poiticians suck. Cant trust them. People who openly express running for office, should be mocked till they come to their senses. Save them from their hubris before its to late.
@@jmc0369 You're a real ray of sunshine aren't you. Could you be any more cynical or bitter? Whatever you think of them politicians run the country which makes it an important job. That's democracy.
Politics would ruin her. We’d be better off if she remained an insightful commentator who wasn’t consumed in scamming people for votes.
she's not smart at all. she literally said if a woman says yes to something we shouldn't think she means yes. she's trying to take even more accountability from womens bad choices. this already is a massive problem with women and their extreme lack of responsibility and accountability
Pornographic imagery has been around since the earliest civilizations. Why are we still trying to shame it out of existence? Does this speaker want to "help" the models and performers? Or make a point about her own superior morality? Like intoxicating substances, porn will have to be managed, because it cannot realistically be banned.
"Porn is to sex as McDonald's is to food." Oh boy.
Just imagine how many people live entirely off McD, KFC, Burger King and all the others, to not name Walmart and alike in the same sentence. That analogy is appalling to say the least. She has shown her true colors with that crappy contribution: a borderline inhumane elitist.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 she’s talking about the companies
@@MedievalMiniskirt So ...?
@@manfredschmalbach9023 How is she inhumane or an elitist? It's the new cultural elite that are pushing unlimited porn and she seemed way more concerned about the effects of Porn on humanity than those on the Pro side.
Only if all you eat is McDonalds every day. For the vast majority it's an occasional treat.
'limbic capitalism', I like that.
I most definitely do not like limbic capitalism, but it is what we were served for over 40 years now solely and increasingly since Ronny the thief and Maggy the b*tch took over the west. Individual self-exploitation on OF being falsely called "liberation" is only one tiny façette of that limbic capitalism.
Such an excellent speech. So many people in my generation see watching porn as something inevitable, innocuous, or even liberating - but it's none of those things. Think of it like the tobacco industry - doesn't care at all about its consumers, just interested in the bottom line, but brilliant at persuading people of its right to exist. The sooner we wake up to the fact that it doesn't have to be like this, the better.
Tobacco is only part of the spectrum of possible industry comparisons. You could also take coffee or alcohol. Or sugar, jung food or social media. Video games, gambling or entertainment in general. Why single out pornography from the rest of the bunch of supernormal sitmuli?
I always remember the quote from Peep Show which sums it up pretty well: ''Isn't it (porn) just the usual dead-eyed men f***ing dead-eyed women in a desperate world of pain? ''
I totally agree with her point on porn and modern attitude toward sex. The idea that women can enjoy casual sex as much as men is just ridiculously harmful to women.
You don’t have to have casual sex. I know lots of women who have never had casual sex. They still have boyfriends and husbands.
@@katiez688let's not pretend that teen and young women's magazines & media don't encourage casual sex.
@@katiez688 Sadly most college girls have casual sex nowadays. Pretty screwed up
@@diehardernxgt2161 Because what? Experimenting with relationships and learning more about what you like and not is bad?
I know a lot of women who enjoy casual sex. Let's not infantilize women and try to say what we think is best for them. People are individuals with different opinions, cultures, and things they enjoy or dislike.
Can't believe we have to have a debate about this. Just shows how degraded our society has become.
Degraded? How so? Is talking about what the world contains, and the relative merits and problems of these things a much needed thing? The ostrich-sticking in the sand is not a very practical solution, methink.
I totally agree with you.
so degraded, right?
When a religion talks against porn and open sex, people think it is conservative. But when people themselves realize after a bad experience and its ramifications on social life, they start to talk against it. Then, they get much appreciation 😅
She knows her subject so well, porn is so destructive.
I don't think it should be banned completely, it ought to be difficult to get hold of, like it used to be until about 20 years ago.
@@ajs41 why not banned completely? Give me one good reason
@A B bro if that’s your idea of magical you really need to start exploring or something😂 that’s sad labelling something so evil as magical
So is alcohol, drugs, smoking, over-eating, lack of exercise etc. Porn is only destructive for those who let it destroy them. For most men it's an occasional pleasure. What's unhealthy about looking at women ? We know it's fantasy, just like the world of advertising and the entertainment industry.
@@PhilBaird1 …number 1: it’s an industry which profits from trafficking, rape, child exploitation.
Number 2: it’s literally porn which comes from the word porneia which literally means unlawful sex…hence why it’s messed up within itself.
Number 3: it glorifies one sided-pleasure, the idea that women like violence and that sex has to be violent when it’s not it’s a connection. (This is extremely damaging considering the average age a boy is exposed to it in the US is 11 years old). There are countless cases of YOUNG boys younger than 12 who have copied out what they’ve seen in those disgusting videos and raped even YOUNGER girls.
Number 4: glorifies cheating, incest, misogyny, racism, sexism, pedophilia (the most popular category is teen that says enough)
Number 5: its literally made to be addicted and some men have to go through literal therapy to help stop.why would you want to defend something like that?
Number 6: it makes men weak. It makes them give in to their flesh which means they’re a lot more likely to cheat in real life when they’re in a relationship and they’re addicted. Not to mention it’s the cause of 56% of divorce in the US.
The only people blind enough to defend it are people who have addictions themselves. Do your research, talk to some people who were once in the industry (I could give you a few) and you’ll see how horrific it really is.
It is literally a platform for violent nonces! Even Ted Bundy himself said ALL people he knows who have committed violence against women watch porn a lot.
There are NO benefits to society and I would NEVER be with a man who is watching “teen stepsis “ let alone have children with one🤢
Excellently articulated. I’m sure if given the time needed you could have been able to expand on the devastating effects on society, family sexual dysfunction, mental illness etc. thank you for bringing to light the things we want to turn a blind eye to
The worst is the negative effect it has had on the status of women and girls.
Yes I'm surprised Louise Perry focused on the brutality of the industry and did not say much (as she has elsewhere) about the deleterious effects of porn use on individuals, relationships, and society. She compares with McDonalds. But most people's primary concern about McDonalds is that it's an unhealthy fast cheap substiutute for real quality food, not empathy for the slaughtered cattle, or resentment of profits made? And clearly McDonalds is here to stay.
no it wasn't at all. she literally said "taking a woman at her word when she says yes it too easy" if a woman says yes to something it means yes. this insane feminist seems to think we need to second guess what she really means by yes and takes all accountability and responsibility away from the woman which is so fing typical. grow up girls and start taking accountability for your actions. it's well past time to.
@@reenamola2162 Girl stfu she did t say anything like that.
@@babygirla5717 ahhh another angry feminist going nowhere who cant handle the truth. how sad and pathetic.
Brilliantly and compellingly argued. The speaker shows definitively that King Porn has no clothes - no pun intended.
What was so brilliant about this round of Louise's bashing of uncomfortable things?
@@pera.j.anderssoneverything 😊
What a powerhouse. Thank you for speaking up.
Such an amazing speaker and her speech was spot on. Wish more people saw this.
This is somewhat unrelated to the video. I was exposed to this crap before 6 years of age and was genuinely addicted until I got into uni. As a lesbian, it made me objectify women while simultaneously hating my anatomy. Which ties in a little bit to the rampant gender dysphoria in young women my age (20's) and way younger.
I'm 39 and had an internet connection in the 90s when all porn was paywalled, it was still easy enough to access but 99% was, by today's standards, quite tame, mainstream, usually well known performers, and just something to bridge the gaps when a late teen isn't sexually active. The idea that it'd be freely available should have obviously started people thinking that a likely consequence was people becoming desensitised and demanding ever more extreme practices, in hindsight it seems obvious. Return the paywalls, just make it an effort to access and far fewer people will be so badly affected. Make it easier to do something else and people will do that instead. Yes, people will masturbate before bed etc but it will hopefully still be seen as second best to the real thing
Maybe it made you a lesbian?
Lesbians have the least sex of any couples, so problem solved!
Im 31. Porn completely destroyed my life. I've had ED all my life, have disturbing fetishes and philias, and absurd amounts of anxiety and depression. This industry needs to go down.
@Jessie weeizy amen. he can and will take the desire away. I'm not even tempted at all. God has helped me. Only God through the holy spirit can help you hate what is bad.
Because you cannot handle it? Are there other supernormal stimuli that "needs to go down"?
@@pera.j.andersson Yes, listening to mongrels like you.
The brain can heal! Take heart, step out into the world and into nature, it will regenerate and not be disturbed anymore, if you persist and use your energy to build instead of tear down and disappear to ease pain
@@pera.j.andersson yeah you just go run off the cliff bacuse it's "normal"
Not sure if she “won” the debate, but my God, this is persuasive!
She's brilliant! Thank you! Pornography is eminently destructive of men, and a parasitical endeavour to society.
it makes mens misogyny of women seem valid.
@@61505 Misogyny, as racism are eminently irrational. There's a big difference of fighting slavery for the exploitation of human beings to fighting racism. The same thing with misogyny; it isn't women the object of condemnation, but the irresponsible actions of those who aim at exploiting other human beings, including men who participate in the act. Individual freedoms are crucial, but some reference to the society should always be present.
@@DragonNo1 To add to my previous comment,itsfar more destructive to women and girls in society than men, because it has the effects oflowering the social status of women in society in the minds of men and teenage boys-and men are generally the ones with more power in society than women and girls.Men don,t suffer freom watching women and girls being used in pornography...
@@61505 I entirely disagree with you in that men don't suffer from watching pornography. You actually have no idea of the impact of explicit sex scenes have in the male brain, and the dependency it creates similar to an addiction to a drug with an evident loss of agency. I'm actually happy that some millennials are trying to stay away from pornography. Do you think that many of these actresses care about their lowering of the social status while they enjoy the easy money and attention? Not while they're in it, but yes, later in life when they discover all the bad choices they made in their hoe's years. This is not only an individual problem, it's a societal problem. Glamorizing crime and perversions only conduce to nihilism. We, in the West, are in a self-destructive path.
@@DragonNo1 itsmuch more harmful to the women involved and also the girls and women who will be the girlfriends or wives of these porn addicted men than it is potentially harmful to any males-it attempts to justify things like rape and it also gets porn addicted men to see all women and girls throughout society as inferior to men and of lower social status in general. Most men and boys don,t suffer from pornography, they claim to enjoy it.So whether you like it or not the status and health of women and girls are important. It is not easy money, the women involved are being directly sexually abused.you need to realise in general that women are important too, not just men.Pornography also falsely represents and trivialises womens sexuality and reproductive system.
Easily the best speaker of the night
concur
Couldn't agree more
Really good speech 😊😊
Yess thank you for speakinng on this!
Good on Louise for an articulate and well thought out argument.
what the hell is "feminist porn"? HAHAHAHA
Lesbians?
SMH 🤦♀️
Its an attempt to give the performers control of what happens during the shoot vs having them be under the influence. It also tries to be more body positive and open to all types of people being stars. However like she said, it is isn't popular
Triggernometry brought me here... Whoa what a speech!
Absolutely awesome woman. Thank you Louise Perry!
well done Louise 👏🏻🙏🏻
Dead right love!
it dehumanises women in the eyes of the avid watcher!!! Especially to younger viewers who can access it so easily. My brothers mate watched a lot of porn from being a kid and sex became nothing to him so he was more interested in extreme acts of sexual gratification but once he came he was empty in his soul, his words, he’s late 40s now and says he’s never loved a woman!!! yea he’s single.
Attacks against women is out of control worldwide!!!
Recently I decided to walk home at dusk from my daughters because it was a beautiful night and the route is on a relatively busy rd. In an area I’ve lived in 57yr. I was pretty shocked to NOT see a single female? It’s not safe after dark, it’s not safe in the daytime in secluded areas! Basically we’re fked
I blame porn and the mass immigration of men from a culture were women are there for the taking!
Do not mix the incompatible socialization some bring from their emigration starting point with pornography - that would be vastly incompetent, illogic and downright negating realities. Porn definitely is not in the slightest accountable for the "insecurity" You claim to have gathered.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 listen love I didn’t say that!!!!
Grooming young white girls by Asian men is a FACT… it’s nothing to do with porn? It’s drilled into their heads has young men!!!!!
Use white girls and boy they certainly do
@@manfredschmalbach9023 porn feeds off of insecurity, anxiety and loneliness. That is why it is dangerous and targets not only the women and children who are exploited/trafficked into the industry, but also young children trying to find some relief. And it’s only a downward spiral
So true and all the horrific cases I’ve heard of boys younger than 12 (!) who have been exposed to pornography thinking it is normal and end up raping or performing the acts they’ve seen on even younger girls! It’s truly horrific and the least that can be done is put some type of verification on it to AT LEAST but in my opinion the production of it needs to be banned in America. And I have hope one day, since they have now banned abortion which I never thought would happen
@@aliciabell4116 You would ban porn because some parents fail completely with parenting? Or because some of the producers do not comply with consent and age legalities? You might, that way, also ban motorized vehicles because some people can't master driving well enough to not recurrently hit other people .... or might criminalize the production and sale of sugar because quite some people feed themselves into downright pathological obesity ...? Not to mention the urgent need to criminalize cell-phones because many if not most people develop an unhealthy, psychologically devastating pattern of use .......😆🤣
It could be hilarious to watch You seriously demand that sort of crap, was it not as extremely dangerous to let people jeopardize other people's liberties and their freedom of choice ... that sort of prohibitional nannying has the exact opposite effect of what You intend to gain in terms of prudish cleanliness.
Plus: A constitutional democracy can not tolerate the moral tyranny of some anxious, fringe prudish zealot minority, otherwise it would turn into a theocratic dictatorship .....
Look into Saudi Arabia, Iran or Israel to see what that sort of governing does to its citizens ... reasonably sane democracy-dwellers can not want something like that.
People who look at porn should ask themselves, "Would this be acceptable to me if these were pictures of my sister or my mother?" I think most sane people would say no, but I'm sure there are some very troubled people out there that wouldn't care.
But it is acceptable to see your dad or brother doing the same?
@@Lasstpak
I don't think there's that much demand for pornography featuring 70 year old men, but if you see a gap in the market go for it.
To be fair, they're usually your step sister or step mom..
@@mesolithicman164 Someone is living in a cave. 🙂
@@Lasstpak
I think you've just proved how morally depraved porn is. I'd rather live in a cave than the hell you inhabit.
I love how they’re dressed for this debate. I freaking love academia when it’s like this. It’s one of the highest expressions of our humanity, this being well dressed and sitting civilly together discussing societal topics.
Pageantry
Right? I never went to university but I wish I did just for this.
Couldn’t agree more
@@forgottenfuryan Dressing well and looking sharp for when you're doing something formal and important isn't pageantry anymore than shaking hands is.
Symbolic gestures cue and orient people towards common goals.
Because its not even remotely possible for a person dressed casually to say anything meaningful or profound, they simply must be dressed for a ball in order to say anything worth listening to.
Now where is my champagne flute, I need to fart
She has a way of delivering facts that is both eloquent and natural… well done sister 🫡
except for her contant head flipping
The most comprehensive, enlightened & empathetic synopsis of the scourge of the porn industry. What a woman. Wish more could hear this.
Scourge? Empathetic? My case is that the sexual revolution didn't go far enough. And Perry & Co want to turn back the clock to the 50s? Good luck.
Glad to see a fellow conservative speak out against capitalism.
what is capitalism? what system do you prefer?
@@garrettlees Universal wage labor. Private capital accumulation. Commodification of everything.
That's....complicated.
@@mojrimibnharb4584 Is "private capital accumulation" a bad thing, as you see it? I'm 13 and mow lawns to make extra money. I work really hard. I don't force anyone to hire me, and no one forces me to do it. Is that bad that I provide a good or service to my community and people freely hire me, and, as a result of this force-less voluntary exchange, I "accumulate private capital", as you say? Am I evil?
I heartily support your opinion, from india
you lost me at "taking a woman at her word when she says yes is too easy" are you insane? women need to start taking accountability for their actions. this kind of irresponsibility is absolutely disgusting. if you say yes, it means yes end of story.
no means no, but yes means whatever feminists want it to mean as long as it's no!
Some women say yes ,sign a contract and then they re put to do things they didn't sign for but are pressured into doing that. Also, sex without condom is the norm in porn which is very dangerous.
most women who go into porn do it because of poverty. financial coercion is rape by definition. a coerced yes is not a true yes.
@@schemem3703 the former then isn't consent as they didn't agree todo it unless they didn't read the contract properly in which case they only have themselves to blame. The latter well they are choosing todo it so that is their choice
@@extermin8or3 he's trying to take accountability from females for their actions. just ignore the feminist swine.
There are some good points made, but let me just use these exact arguments for working in the army. These young man and woman are not doing so involuntairly, but they are generally from disadvantaged backgrounds and see it as a way out. They don't realize that this might mean you end up running in a shallow ditch against your will by the orders of others, with bullets flying by and the body parts of your mate splashed over you after he was the unliky one to get hit by a mortar. Very real possibility for physical and especially mental damage for life.
If you argue as passionately against allowing people to sell their pictures on OnlyFans, you certainly should argue against the government run insanity that is called the army.
Loved this.. for me the discussion about child porn as just another part of the porn industry brought reality into the room. Bravo that woman ❤️
child porn is not part of the porn industry. it is criminal activity.
@@flyingiguana409 its part of the porn industry
@@sarahdaley6394 anyone who is legit in the porn industry is against child porn. id is taken before shooting content. this is like saying ponzi schemes are part of the investment industry...
@@sarahdaley6394 It isn't. It's an emotional heartstring puller to win the argument. The porn industry is a legal industry with money exchanged for goods provided and taxes on said exchange being paid to government. Child exploitation does not fit those parameters. If it does, then the government would be making money off of child and animal exploitation, no?
It is another part of porn, nomatter how uncomfortable that maybe. Many sex workers gave experienced sexual abuse.
If women cannot or at least should not be held accountable for their actions according to the speaker, are they autonomous people capable of making their own decisions?
Like your name implies, a lot of copium at work here.
@@Firenmage433 In what way is it coping to mention the logical consequences of a supposedly feminist standpoint?
@@opiumcopium you misunderstand, I meant Louise Perry is operating under the influences of copium
She promotes misogyny. The logical conclusion to much of her theory in her book would be to have a society like Saudi Arabia because according to her women don’t have the ability to exercise agency.
According to the dating app stats, women (at least those using said apps) find 80% of men unattractive and folks are surprised porn is a thing?
Men should avoid watching porn at all costs. It‘a no supplement for a relationship. It dulls sexual sensitivity -which can lead to some very nasty places. It can also make a man feel more isolated and depressed.
She is probably right, but she is fighting the male primitive brain on testosteron high. This fight is impossible to win I think. Religion and social norms did a good job in the past, but now there's the internet and being alone in your room with nobody else at home.
It unsurprising how gynocentric this talk is. It's almost like gay porn and many other forms of porn which exploits men, just doesn't exist.
What a wonderful platform. We should all be having these type of debates.
Eg bots over thots
New discovery: porn is bad and should be marginalized. I support it. 20 past centuries support it too.
20 past centuries? Seems like a bit Christian to me. But the logic evades me.
Sometimes I get the impression that we're confusing the finger with the moon. The problem isn't porn itself, but the reason why many people, predominantly men, watch it. I don't believe there's a man in the world who, being in a long-term relationship with someone he likes, cares about, and finds attractive, with an active sex life, would prefer to watch a porn video rather than have sex with his partner. If a man has a wife who wants to have sex with him regularly, I assure you, he wouldn't have either the energy or the reason to watch porn.
We're not talking about people who give up an active sex life to watch porn, but about those who, for various reasons: sexless marriages, lack of physical attraction, single individuals who haven't found a partner - find themselves choosing between hunger and McDonald's. No sane man would refuse a good homemade meal to eat fast food; if he goes to fast food, it's because he has no other options to turn to. We should work on this: reduce the demand to decrease the supply. It's pointless to block the supply if the demand continues to persist.
I have watched several videos of Louise, and while many of her solutions are effective, in others she completely lacks perspective. The reason is that, like many other women who address these topics, she rarely takes the male point of view into consideration. She focuses exclusively on the female perspective and what can benefit women. You can't solve a social problem by considering only half of the population.
agree, perspective is very important.
Your primary proposition is incorrect. I was watching a fantastic interview Bill Maher had with Terry Crews a while back. Terry Crews is a superstar, great looks and body, has a loving wife of decades---he still watched porn all the time for years and lied to his wife that he didn't. If he did, I can guarantee you most men still would even with regular access to real women.
Reducing demand for sex is impossible, and if it were, it would be very stupid to do so, unless you want to end the continuation of the species.
So what you are saying is that women are not capable of giving their consent.
not under coercion. coerced consent has never been consent.
@@mqple5686 And how often is there coercion?
@@pera.j.andersson if you would not have sex if there wasn’t money involved, it’s monetary coercion by definition.
@@mqple5686 I wouldn't have a job were I not coerced into it by money.
@@Balmorax and it would be wrong if your job required you to have sex.
I can look back as a heterosexual woman on watching porn with boyfriends and explaining to them that that woman is in pain. Watching certain sex acts and explaining that it's literally physiologically impossible for that to feel good. It conditions young men to associate female pain with pleasure and so they're increasingly confused by actual female bodies and arousal.
💯 accurate.
wonderfully said
Porn is filled with some grim shit, filthy “Genres” that should be met with the death penalty.
These genres also exist in the human sexual fantasy. I'm not sure porn just invented it all.
I'm not particularly buying the 'victim' angle of her argument. All jobs require payment because it is activity that people would not choose to do without it. Payment is coercion by its nature. A more convincing argument might center on the harm done to the consumer. Abstaining from alcohol and tobacco products is done to avoid self harm, not because it may be harmful to those producing those products. Surely an argument can be made that consuming porn has some negative consequences to the consumer.
Plenty of negatives *
as a former stripper & p0rn actress, i can agree with what you're saying. i don't feel i was victimized, but i was definitely taken advantage of. i think the word "victim" is not the correct term. "being taken advantage of" would be more appropriate. i'm not a victim, or a survivor - i wasn't in a war. nothing permanently damaged me. i'm not unable to have romantic relationships, i'm married to a high value, provider man. i was sexually exploited, but i willingly walked into it and knew what i was doing was sexual expoitation. i'm not a victim for that, just unfortunate. i learned my lesson, and moved on. i will admit that i am highly privileged due to a background in mental health. the whole time i was in sex work, i was working on healing my mental health. i wasn't healthy while i was in sex work, but i was able to heal and get out. the work is traumatic, but i was able to process the trauma and heal quickly due to my background. within a year of exiting the industry i had started two businesses. that's not what happens to most sex workers. i had access to information that saved me.
@@queengoblin Thank you for sharing your story. I can see your point about “victim” versus “taken advantage” of but when it comes down to it, it’s generally a very toxic and unhealthy environment. think that is the broad point of her argument. She wrote a book on the topic that sounds very objective.
sure, payment is coercion. but guess what? coerced sex is rape by definition, and rape is objectively worse and more traumatizing than coerced office jobs.
I’ll tell you why that angle wasn’t presented here. It’s because that would be a speech about the declining sexual health of MEN due to porn.
This woman stated that the owner of Onlyfans is a man, as if it was a qualifying statement about the nature of the company. She also only speaks about women porn actor’s repercussions due to the industry. If I never watched porn, I might think that there weren’t any men in those videos, listening to this speech.
I don’t have many doubts in saying that Louise does not like men.
"The market demands more and more extreme content", is that really true? Check the most viewed of all time worldwide list. Sure, the stories might be unplausible (few people care about the story anyway), but the sex acts are mostly not that extreme. Check for yourself.
Nobody talks about the good things it brought. We are acting like there isn't a significant percentage of the population who won't see much action in their whole life. Be it disabled people in so many ways that people can be disabled or just plain ugly. It allows them to get a semblance of love life and satisfaction. Sure we have to figure out how to make it safe for those who work in the industry and how to shelter children from it to some degree. That's where the focus should be in my opinion.
She says that we only have porn for the last couple of decades so it's not like it's a human right. Why don't we turn electricity off and stop the trains? After all we had that for just 200 years, it's not normal, we should be hunting mammoths and live in caves. Faulty argument.
I was really hoping for a more convincing argument… there was a number of issues in her reasoning but it was towards the end (11:12) that I decided to leave a comment. “It’s so much easier to give up porn than factory-farmed meat and clothes made in sweat shops because we have to feed and clothe ourselves”. Could I get a scientific journal reference for this claim please or… perhaps she at least has a psychology background? Doesn’t seem like it…
But, much more fundamentally, what exactly is the alternative? I fully accept that there’s tons of issues with the porn industry, but I feel they are symptoms of a sick society and we should be seeking to understand what made it sick in the first place. It’s the same argument as for drugs (including alcohol and tobacco, which are by far the most harmful drugs) - you create more problems by making them illegal, so you have to regulate them and address the root causes. People who develop substance abuse issues often grow up without fathers and experience trauma in their childhoods… I would guess (and not boldly claim without evidence) that people who watch child porn have also experienced some kind of trauma. Focus on the root causes and not the symptoms.
I like Louise i perceive her as an intelligent classy well dressed lady 😀
The fellas look really bummed out 😆
Porn is porn. There is no "new era". People no longer have morals and it's sickening.
i’d even go as far as saying it’s the worsening era
Yes there is! Old porn from the 70-80-ties had some form of romance or at least tried to be romantic! Nowadays its not sex its RAPE! Often anal and disgusting, the more animalistic and vulgar the better. Hugh Hefner drugged and forced Linda Lovelace to have sex with a dog in his mansion while his rich friends watched along with him, some legend huh?
@@MaciusSzwed Na, porn is porn. Even if there are classy-dressed people being romantic it's still porn!
@@MetalheadDoon There are distinctions. So what about soft porn? Have you watched that? What would you call that? Making out or porn?
@@MaciusSzwed Just because it's soft doesn’t change the fact it's still porn. Yes, I have seen the soft stuff. There are just different genres of porn.
That was impressive.
Well spoken, Louise. Totally agree.
Brilliant and compelling!
These talks always aggravate me. porn is not the problem, and it never has been the issues are with people. Those are what should be looked at. For example, if there’s a morbidly obese man, who’s about to die due to high blood pressure, gout, stroke,needs amputation of a foot because he just keeps eating and eating and eating…. I don’t blame the food. I blame him and his lack of self-control. He lacks discipline and uses food -that doesn’t make the food evil that makes him stupid.
i do believe do porn industry can be shit/abusive towards their performers but when america goes down the shitter completely theyll blame it on porn video games and violent movies while europe laughs and says oh we actually removed the stigma behind all that culturally because non of those are valid things to stigmatize and be against.
Amazing speaker wow lots a good points i never thought about on that side of the debate
Porn and drugs have decimated 2 or 3 generations.
I’m glad this is being talked about. I encourage everyone to read Ariel Levy’s “Female Chauvinist Pigs”. She was spelling this out in 2005
Yes, excellent point and I generally agree with you that Ariel Levy and "Female Chauvinist Pigs" were, in one sense, ahead of their time. But what is worrisome to me is that the full extent of internet porn and its harmful impact on society and relationships had not then evolved to the situation we are in witnessing today. In retrospect, Levy efforts seems not to have had the desirable adverse impact on the phenomena still unfolding before us. Between Levy's book and Louise Perry's volume so much has changed--and for the worse--that it beggars belief. This is especially true in terms of the violence against women that occurs in porn as well as the violence against women that Perry documents occurring in parallel in the contemporary "hook-up" dating culture. Having read both, to those who have read neither work, I would suggest beginning with Louise Perry's book, then turn back (in time, so to speak) and read Ariel Levy's volume. Perry is sounding not only an alarm, but her prescriptive recommendations are far more radical than Levy's were.
My only quibble with Louise Perry is that after finding one's true soulmate, children should follow. I am still searching for my beloved, but I have no desire for children [and I hope she won't either].
That's a brilliant book that needs more recognition.
Given the reality of dating, I take the imaginary world of porn any time.
Very good speech.
she's adorable. and, yeah, brilliant & eloquent.
4:30 this is crucial. "say yes at the right moments." once a scene starts, women want to make the time worthwhile. So, halfway through, you can be extreme as f, and they don't want to just waste time, so they do it. Millionaire stars have said they did things they didn't want to just to make everyone happy. If women didn't keep saying years later they felt coerced, sure... But it's clear, too many women can't make a decision in the moment, that doesn't feel coerced, even when no one is doing it. Women like to please, and thus, we get coercion, even without men needing to do anything.
This is also a symptom of the inability to understand the repercussions of their actions in the face of short term gain.
@@Firenmage433 But that doesn't just pertain to porn as many are able to see now in various spheres (political, social, economic, etc).
And the solution to that problem is what? Raising women not to be crowd-pleasing?
She's correct
Until 20 minutes ago I'd never heard of this lovely lady! I'm glad I found her!
Louise Perry kicks ass, and she's even more convincing in her other videos without the heavy pressure. And I'm not a feminist, just a rational man that knows porn is terrible for society and that everything she is saying is absolutely the truth. TAKE even more note, porn isn't the only limbic pirate folks. they all should be banned from use.
OK? So all supernormal stimuli should be banned. I'm not liking the way this is heading, but as Louise Perry has a distaste for capitalism, I see a state with a lot of carceral power.
@@pera.j.andersson huh? How about we stick to not abusing people for money because we can, I think that's the only criteria I'm after here.
It destroys women writ large on several levels, even the 2% that say they're in love with it and love doing it. And it's no different than gambling, limbic feeder pellet bar browser games, social media likes, and subliminal messaging etc.
these are some of the worst offenders. It's not a hard line in the sand, but if you want a temperature gauge look at who's become billionaires in the last 50 years, this isn't your mother's Mervyn's ads and mini skirt fashion and sexy sunglasses of the 60s. this is piped in under the radar to the ignorant masses that don't know they're being abused and putting money, billions in the hands of the abusers.
this goes far beyond the models that make comparably so little. But yes, porn is the worst of them. It's for the exact same reason we don't allow advertisement of crack, and don't allow people to use subliminal advertisement, or put cocaine in soft drinks.
And it's not just that it steal money from the ignorant, disabled, weak, stupid and poor and gives it to a handful of psychopathic individuals that couldn't find their morals with both hands.
It literally ruins people, and very, very unequally. Isn't that what we're trying to minimize?
And besides porn is exactly as explained, it's not summed up in naked bodies it's glistening, wet, smooth, luscious murder of good will toward your neighbor.
and how many disabled, neglected and abused poeple are thrown down on the tracks for this false equality?
How many marriages and lives ruined? You think rich people suffer from this?
and the state? well you sold out to the State long ago in the UK when you gave up the good fight for freedom of speech, don't know why you'd care about that.
but the best we can do is balance the power. shall we go back to companies being the arbiter of whetehr the water is clean, and food is safe?
Because by all means feel free to do so if you want to see what a feudal system looks like in your lifetime.
Far, far worse than the calcified corruption we have today.
Limbic
Free market is checked by the cultural norms aka common decency remaining the bedrock of sociability despite the edifice called market permitted to exist as a labor of love and efficiency
Innovation was not to include innovative ways to prey upon our survival instincts
Freedom to participate in a ritual of mutual degradation and subjugation isn’t freedom at all
It’s fraud
And you seek to gatekeep fraudulence
It's a bit similar to a man who works in a busy warehouse or building site, lifting and carrying heavy loads all the time and constantly on his feet. He is only consenting to it because he's desperate for money and has no other avenue for income and because he thinks he can do it at that moment, probably even enjoys it for a little while. In some cases, pay is good too. But over time the damage it does to him physically, mentally and emotionally is really bad.
i’d say being raped on camera in extreme and humiliating ways is much more traumatizing and harmful than working in a warehouse.
So working in warehouses or or construction sites should be banned?
@@mqple5686 Yes, being raped on camera is not ok. Should not happen. Which is besides the question.
@@pera.j.andersson porn is the same as being raped on camera. the majority of porn actors are drug addicts desperate for money. many face serious health issues because of the abuse they face on set. they are engaging in (usually abusive) sex that they otherwise wouldn’t engage in, which is monetary coercion and rape by definition. being raped by coercion leads to MUCH more psychological damage than working in a warehouse for money.
I think it’s called “working.”
Based feminist. Real deal for sure.
If TV weathergirls would show just a little more skin on the morning news this debate wouldn't be necessary.
How far we have fallen. Obviously end porn on the internet. Do it for our children. Do it for ourselves.
Because of what? Paying for your porn will benefit everybody, but the reasoning for a total ban is a bit muddled.
The female version of Don Quixote, tilting at windmills.
"No one in this room needs to watch porn ever again." *Camera zooms in on the guys in the front row with their eyes down.*
Guys, just go RMWC! Reject Modern Women Completely.
Looks like that’s the only option we have
Absolute truth spoken right there👏
of course you'd say that. you're a girl who very much likes the idea of having to take even less accountability than you already do for your poor choices in life. typical.
What truth?
I never thought I'd love listening to a self-identified feminist, but I love Louise Perry. I wish she would come speak at my university. Come to UVU!
A girl with a collar on her neck in the background, right side, be like: Oh no she wants to forbid my business...
This is just a strawman debate going against the typical stereotypes about porn, pretty weak. Also she is trying to emotionally blackmail the opposition which just comes off as a cheap trick. Fails to separate indirect damage caused by social stigma from direct damage, drags dugs and alcohol into the picture for no reason, all in all not very convincing. This is a good example why you should steelman your arguments before going public.
11:10 is true, but kind of undermines the rest of the thesis. Either we have helpless monkey brains unable to disobey our limbic system, and we can't not choose porn or we don't, and these industries are competing for employees and customers like anything else.
3:15 - There is no such thing as retroactive revocation of consent. Once you've done the thing, that's it. You've done it, and you have to live with your decision to do it. You can't un-ring a bell.
I think Frank Reynolds said it best: "I totally agree. Some co__ks can't be unsucked!"
Of course a girl can change her mind. She can't call it rape if she consented, does it, then changes her mind, but if she changes her mind and wants to stop but the guy keeps going, then yeah that would become rape.
@@UnchainedEruption changing her mind in the middle of an act is not retroactive revocation of consent.
Well, I disagree with her position, but that was a very eloquent and well-researched speech.
Excellent speech!
need to follow it
@@sajjadkhan7469 It is up to each individual what matter is do you follow it ??
This woman is amazzzzing!!
Published porn should not be allowed to exist, fantasies should remain as fantasies in our brains
Why is that? Are there other entertainment genres that also "need" to be abolished?
@@pera.j.andersson Sure, offer your daughter, your mother, your wife up to be center stage performers in this horrific debasing performance then let's see if you feel the same, if you do feel the same then I would offer you as proof why it should stop.
with sweeping ideas breaking many flawed contemporary notions
Why are intelligent women so attractive? She is brilliant and GORGEOUS!
Just a presentation critique…that clapping the hands because you’re nervous is quite distracting.
Of all of these debate videos, this one is the only one in which YT stopped in the middle of to insert a commercial. Hmm, wonder why?? We disallow all sorts of things based on short & long-term health affects - drug use, prostitution (in most states), motorcycle helmet laws. Helping society to maintain mental health by disallowing people to create porn is a net positive, for individuals who would perform in it, and for those who would watch it.
Well spoken. Articulate
Respectfully... porn is a symptom. Porn has been around for thousands of years... The root is a far more difficult issue to address. Few people go there objectively. Consider the advent of sexual robots... robots. Things are that bad between the sexes.
no must disagree. not like this, instant access of almost anything. before a person would need to go to a shop to purchase such images. the internet is ubiquitous now.
Porn and dating apps hurt men and women. Get out there, be a decent person and make a genuine connection!
I can’t. My wife won’t let me.
Hmmm well there's a lot of harmful things that are legal. Alcohol, tobacco, Marijuana.
I agree with her message in general but to be fair, only fans did try to ban sexual content on its site but the content creators weren’t having it.
so women giving consent is not women given consent.... that sounds like women need to be treated like kids. I found it ironic that feminist artists used women as a subject matter and even women's bodies (licking as a chisel, paintbrushing as in smearing pain on her naked body then jumping on a canvas) as objects. Then there was the argument that "no means no" followed by "women should say no when they mean no" (logically that sounds that no means yes, but I don't want the responsibility of what yes allows). Now this, "even when women give consent does not mean they give consent." Logically that means porn or no porn, women are or should be treated the same as we treat the insane and the child. That is just sick.
I don´t think you get that part of the argument- there´s a comment above from Maxwell Benz which explains it pretty well: 4:30 this is crucial. "say yes at the right moments." once a scene starts, women want to make the time worthwhile. So, halfway through, you can be extreme as f, and they don't want to just waste time, so they do it. Millionaire stars have said they did things they didn't want to just to make everyone happy. If women didn't keep saying years later they felt coerced, sure... But it's clear, too many women can't make a decision in the moment, that doesn't feel coerced, even when no one is doing it. Women like to please, and thus, we get coercion, even without men needing to do anything. this can apply to some degree to regular sexual relationships too, but that´s definitely an easier context to say "no" than when you´re in the middle of a porn production. If you think about it, it´s shockingly similar how even in a conventional workplace, people (esp. if they are good at their jobs) get hit with more tasks down the line that they didn´t agree to, originally- do they usually say no? I doubt...
@@pencilany So saying no in the right time is a universal problem? Then why only apply it to porn?
It’s certainly confusing.